Weekend Open Comments

Obama explained:

Why do clever people believe stupid things? It’s difficult to make sense of the world from the small atoms of experience that we each gather as we wander around it, and a new paper in the British Journal of Psychology this month shows how we can create illusions of causality, much like visual illusions, if we manipulate the cues and clues we present.

They go on to describe an experiment demonstrating the traps of cause and effect. It’s a pretty interesting read.

One series of studies has shown that if you manipulate someone to make them feel powerful (through memories of a situation in which they were powerful, for example), they imagine themselves to have even greater control over outcomes that are still purely determined by chance, which perhaps goes some way to explaining the hubris of the great and the good.

We know about optical illusions and the ways in which our eyes can be misled. It would be nice if we could also be wary of cognitive illusions that affect our reasoning apparatus, but like the “close door” buttons in a lift – which, it turns out, are often connected to nothing at all – these illusions are modern curios.

Barack Obama – The Curio President. By the way, I’ve often suspected those buttons didn’t really do anything.


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246 responses to “Weekend Open Comments”

  1. Hamous Avatar

    SHABBAT SHALOM Y’ALL
    In many cases the crosswalk button does not work either.

  2. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    SHABBAT SHALOM Y’ALL
    In many cases the crosswalk button does not work either.

  3. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Let’s not over analyze this situation now. The fact is that he’s just another empty suit with an overstuffed ego. I think Napoleonic.

  4. El Gordo Avatar

    Let’s not over analyze this situation now. The fact is that he’s just another empty suit with an overstuffed ego. I think Napoleonic.

  5. Tedtam Avatar

    I have always gotten that feeling from Obama, and also from Clinton, though Clinton’s narcissism was not nearly in the same orbit as TBO’s impression of himself.

    The sheeple have elected a man-child who only looks in the mirror for his answers and his results.

  6. Tedtam Avatar

    I have always gotten that feeling from Obama, and also from Clinton, though Clinton’s narcissism was not nearly in the same orbit as TBO’s impression of himself.

    The sheeple have elected a man-child who only looks in the mirror for his answers and his results.

  7. Dooood Avatar

    Logically enough, the largest commercial beneficiary of the estate tax is, of course, the life insurance industry.

    Here is a report just issued by the American Family Business Foundation on how the American Council of Life Insurers (ALCI) spends millions of dollars each year lobbying to keep conservatives in Congress from overturning this immoral and ethically rotten taking of private property.It’s in PDF form so you can save it and refer to it in the future.

    Read the whole thing.

  8. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Logically enough, the largest commercial beneficiary of the estate tax is, of course, the life insurance industry.

    Here is a report just issued by the American Family Business Foundation on how the American Council of Life Insurers (ALCI) spends millions of dollars each year lobbying to keep conservatives in Congress from overturning this immoral and ethically rotten taking of private property.It’s in PDF form so you can save it and refer to it in the future.

    Read the whole thing.

  9. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I couple of months ago I passed the site of the former Outpost Tavern, which was forced to close earlier this year due to a dispute between the new owners of the property and the people who operated the iconic and historic bar and grill.

    I was optimistic when I noticed the building had been placed on pilings, apparently in preparation for relocation. I checked their web site yesterday and found that the building recently burned to the ground.

    It’s sad to lose such a historic part of space exploration.

  10. bob42 Avatar

    I couple of months ago I passed the site of the former Outpost Tavern, which was forced to close earlier this year due to a dispute between the new owners of the property and the people who operated the iconic and historic bar and grill.

    I was optimistic when I noticed the building had been placed on pilings, apparently in preparation for relocation. I checked their web site yesterday and found that the building recently burned to the ground.

    It’s sad to lose such a historic part of space exploration.

  11. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My brother has sent out Gylne Tyler – Let it Be video two days ago yesterday via email and has since gone viral. That is if over 300,000 hits since it had he believes 500 a couple of days ago qualifies as “viral”. Cool production.

  12. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My brother has sent out Gylne Tyler – Let it Be video two days ago yesterday via email and has since gone viral. That is if over 300,000 hits since it had he believes 500 a couple of days ago qualifies as “viral”. Cool production.

  13. Tedtam Avatar

    I don’t know if I appreciate this or wonder at the time some people have on their hands.

  14. Tedtam Avatar

    I don’t know if I appreciate this or wonder at the time some people have on their hands.

  15. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Darren, that was very well produced as well as pretty faithful to the original arrangement.

  16. bob42 Avatar

    Darren, that was very well produced as well as pretty faithful to the original arrangement.

  17. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    But Tonya Harding??? Heh.

  18. Hamous Avatar

    But Tonya Harding??? Heh.

  19. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous;

    Careful there. She’ll have your legs broken. 😉

  20. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous;

    Careful there. She’ll have your legs broken. 😉

  21. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    A very odd assortment of celebrities, including some I haven’t seen in a long time. Not to mention those I never heard of. Surprised that Corbin Bernsen (LA Law) seemed to have a great singing voice. Thanks, Darren!

  22. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    A very odd assortment of celebrities, including some I haven’t seen in a long time. Not to mention those I never heard of. Surprised that Corbin Bernsen (LA Law) seemed to have a great singing voice. Thanks, Darren!

  23. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Finally, bob42 and tedtam cats get together to play. Since there’s no barfing you’ll have to look for evidence as to which one is bob’s cat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CULU09VCu14

  24. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Finally, bob42 and tedtam cats get together to play. Since there’s no barfing you’ll have to look for evidence as to which one is bob’s cat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CULU09VCu14

  25. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper;

    It’s nastalgic, eh?

  26. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper;

    It’s nastalgic, eh?

  27. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We are the Borg. You will comply.

    LINK

  28. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We are the Borg. You will comply.

    LINK

  29. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #$ texpat, aha–great report. Now do you just suppose this Frank Keating is the same Frank Keating of Keating Five fame in the Senate scandal a few decades ago? As I recall John McCain was involved with that along with John Glen. Can’t recall if it was an insurance company or a savings and loan company in CA at the center of it all.

    These same DC operatives keep popping up in different hats.

  30. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #$ texpat, aha–great report. Now do you just suppose this Frank Keating is the same Frank Keating of Keating Five fame in the Senate scandal a few decades ago? As I recall John McCain was involved with that along with John Glen. Can’t recall if it was an insurance company or a savings and loan company in CA at the center of it all.

    These same DC operatives keep popping up in different hats.

  31. bob42 Avatar

    The Rhodes repair effort continues. My theory that part of the unwanted horizontal motion (wild tines) that made some notes un-tunable is looking valid. I’ve fixed three so far.

    This is a tine/tone bar assembly removed from the piano, and this is a view that shows the culprit alignment problem. To fix, I heated up the tone bar with a small butane torch, and formed it toward alignment.

    It’s fun fixing stuff with a torch.

  32. meglettx Avatar

    Just got back from the Katy/Pearland football game at Rice Stadium. One of the better high school matchups I’ve seen in a while.

    Pearland pulled it out with about 46 seconds left 38-35.

  33. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Just got back from the Katy/Pearland football game at Rice Stadium. One of the better high school matchups I’ve seen in a while.

    Pearland pulled it out with about 46 seconds left 38-35.

  34. Tedtam Avatar

    #15

    That has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.

    You want an eye in the back of your head, just give birth. That “eye in the back of the head” thing usually activates with the birth of the first child.

  35. Tedtam Avatar

    #15

    That has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.

    You want an eye in the back of your head, just give birth. That “eye in the back of the head” thing usually activates with the birth of the first child.

  36. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Lawrence

    I bet it was

    Katy trailed by three, and the Tigers were driving with under a minute to play. Katy quarterback Brooks Haack threw a deep pass but before it hit the receiver, Pearland running back Dustin Garrison jumped up and snatched the ball, giving the Oilers possession with six seconds remaining.

    “Garrison has played a little on defense this year, and so I put him out there,” Heath said. “It might have seemed strange, but if I am going down, I am going down swinging and I am doing it with my best players out there. He made a big play when we needed one. That’s what your best players can do.”

    Now that’s thinking outside the box.

  37. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Lawrence

    I bet it was

    Katy trailed by three, and the Tigers were driving with under a minute to play. Katy quarterback Brooks Haack threw a deep pass but before it hit the receiver, Pearland running back Dustin Garrison jumped up and snatched the ball, giving the Oilers possession with six seconds remaining.

    “Garrison has played a little on defense this year, and so I put him out there,” Heath said. “It might have seemed strange, but if I am going down, I am going down swinging and I am doing it with my best players out there. He made a big play when we needed one. That’s what your best players can do.”

    Now that’s thinking outside the box.

  38. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    It’s fun fixing stuff with a torch.

    Only thing funner is flirtin’ with blue smoke.

  39. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    It’s fun fixing stuff with a torch.

    Only thing funner is flirtin’ with blue smoke.

  40. Tedtam Avatar

    This coming week is our neighborhood heavy trash pick-up. I spent several hours today man-handling nasty stuff from the old house out to the ditch. By myself. We’re talking big stuff, usually better handled by two or more people. Some things I had to take in pieces. Some pieces required swearing out loud. But I managed to do it all by myself, because I can’t count on my menfolk to do it tomorrow.

    Football will be on.

    /sigh

  41. Tedtam Avatar

    This coming week is our neighborhood heavy trash pick-up. I spent several hours today man-handling nasty stuff from the old house out to the ditch. By myself. We’re talking big stuff, usually better handled by two or more people. Some things I had to take in pieces. Some pieces required swearing out loud. But I managed to do it all by myself, because I can’t count on my menfolk to do it tomorrow.

    Football will be on.

    /sigh

  42. Tedtam Avatar

    I wonder if Dustin Garrison is the son of a trombone player I knew in high school?

  43. Tedtam Avatar

    I wonder if Dustin Garrison is the son of a trombone player I knew in high school?

  44. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #12 Darren

    Since there’s no barfing you’ll have to look for evidence as to which one is bob’s cat.

    I’m guessing it’s the one that says “dude” the most. But it’s likely that both were in the catnip stash.

  45. bob42 Avatar

    #12 Darren

    Since there’s no barfing you’ll have to look for evidence as to which one is bob’s cat.

    I’m guessing it’s the one that says “dude” the most. But it’s likely that both were in the catnip stash.

  46. Tedtam Avatar

    Nope. I just checked some video. Wrong color.

    Does that make me racist?

  47. Tedtam Avatar

    Nope. I just checked some video. Wrong color.

    Does that make me racist?

  48. Tedtam Avatar

    #24 Bob42

    Actually, Barf Kitty doesn’t seem interested in catnip. She has learned to just say “no” to catnip.

  49. Tedtam Avatar

    #24 Bob42

    Actually, Barf Kitty doesn’t seem interested in catnip. She has learned to just say “no” to catnip.

  50. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    tedtam

    You might not be a racist, but

    … the son of a trombone player I knew in high school

    sounds like the beginning of a funny joke.

  51. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    tedtam

    You might not be a racist, but

    … the son of a trombone player I knew in high school

    sounds like the beginning of a funny joke.

  52. Tedtam Avatar

    #27 GJT

    Yeah, but I don’t know of any of my classmates who became priests or rabbis. 😉

  53. Tedtam Avatar

    #27 GJT

    Yeah, but I don’t know of any of my classmates who became priests or rabbis. 😉

  54. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Please! For the love of all that is holy. Please Oklahoma! Please limit playing Boomer Sooner to when you score points. Heck, I’ll even give you first downs. But please don’t play it after every freaking play, including the opponent’s plays!

  55. Hamous Avatar

    Please! For the love of all that is holy. Please Oklahoma! Please limit playing Boomer Sooner to when you score points. Heck, I’ll even give you first downs. But please don’t play it after every freaking play, including the opponent’s plays!

  56. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticking head out of LurkCave, begins swatting furiously at ladybugs which have apparently begun their winter-warm-spot-hunting activities in great earnest.)

    Has anyone else noticed the nesting behaviour of the ladybugs? Are they invading your abode? Have you developed a method of removing them from said abode without killing the little darlings? Do you say the Ladybug Chant as you gently release them to the outdoors, only to see them fly back to your home?? Where is the strangest place you have found one? (No lie, she crawled into my UNDERWEAR somehow after a short trip outside yesterday!) Aack!!

    To quote Bob42 earlier #17, “it’s fun fixing stuff with a torch” but I might upset the LurkCave neighbors.

    / shakes head furiously, dislodging several of the little darlings from their attempt to nest in the hair, and withdrawing with great haste into the LurkCave after carefully checking the doorway for more invaders.

  57. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticking head out of LurkCave, begins swatting furiously at ladybugs which have apparently begun their winter-warm-spot-hunting activities in great earnest.)

    Has anyone else noticed the nesting behaviour of the ladybugs? Are they invading your abode? Have you developed a method of removing them from said abode without killing the little darlings? Do you say the Ladybug Chant as you gently release them to the outdoors, only to see them fly back to your home?? Where is the strangest place you have found one? (No lie, she crawled into my UNDERWEAR somehow after a short trip outside yesterday!) Aack!!

    To quote Bob42 earlier #17, “it’s fun fixing stuff with a torch” but I might upset the LurkCave neighbors.

    / shakes head furiously, dislodging several of the little darlings from their attempt to nest in the hair, and withdrawing with great haste into the LurkCave after carefully checking the doorway for more invaders.

  58. Tedtam Avatar

    #30 Lurker

    Okay, let’s take this in order:
    1) Plants scream as soon as I lay hands on them at the garden center
    2) If my gardening was necessary for my family’s survival, we wouldn’t
    3) It seems that everything I do to help plants, doesn’t
    4) Ladybugs are generally good for gardening
    5) Although I keep trying, I am NOT good for gardens
    6) Therefore, I have no ladybugs
    7) Therefore, I have no ladybug problems

    /sigh

  59. Tedtam Avatar

    #30 Lurker

    Okay, let’s take this in order:
    1) Plants scream as soon as I lay hands on them at the garden center
    2) If my gardening was necessary for my family’s survival, we wouldn’t
    3) It seems that everything I do to help plants, doesn’t
    4) Ladybugs are generally good for gardening
    5) Although I keep trying, I am NOT good for gardens
    6) Therefore, I have no ladybugs
    7) Therefore, I have no ladybug problems

    /sigh

  60. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #30 Lurk

    Where is your Lurk Cave, anyway? I have never seen swarming lady bug beetles at any time of year in any part of Texas.

  61. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #30 Lurk

    Where is your Lurk Cave, anyway? I have never seen swarming lady bug beetles at any time of year in any part of Texas.

  62. Katfish Avatar

    #29 hamous
    You just don’t appreciate good music.

  63. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #29 hamous
    You just don’t appreciate good music.

  64. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    tedtam #25;

    Does that make me racist?

    No, but your white conservatism does.

    /sarc off

  65. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    tedtam #25;

    Does that make me racist?

    No, but your white conservatism does.

    /sarc off

  66. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #17 B42

    It’s fun fixing stuff with a torch.

    My first thought was, this repair project will keep you from spending the whole weekend on internet porn sites. And then possibly posting some of what you found. Here. On hamous.org. Which you have been known to do.

  67. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #17 B42

    It’s fun fixing stuff with a torch.

    My first thought was, this repair project will keep you from spending the whole weekend on internet porn sites. And then possibly posting some of what you found. Here. On hamous.org. Which you have been known to do.

  68. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    My guess is they aren’t normal indigenous ladybugs but the asian lady beetle. They’re bigger than native ladybugs and the little suckers pinch. I first saw them in NW Missouri about 10 years ago and figured they’d be moving south

  69. Hamous Avatar

    My guess is they aren’t normal indigenous ladybugs but the asian lady beetle. They’re bigger than native ladybugs and the little suckers pinch. I first saw them in NW Missouri about 10 years ago and figured they’d be moving south

  70. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Hey Wagonburner, when did Rocko become y’all’s mascot?

  71. Hamous Avatar

    Hey Wagonburner, when did Rocko become y’all’s mascot?

  72. Katfish Avatar

    I have no idea. When I was there, all we had were Boomer & Sooner.

  73. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I have no idea. When I was there, all we had were Boomer & Sooner.

  74. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #36

    Good work, Holmes. That sure matches the Lurker’s complaint.

  75. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #36

    Good work, Holmes. That sure matches the Lurker’s complaint.

  76. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Lurker
    IF they are real ladybugs you might wanna start collecting them little critters.

  77. squawkbox Avatar

    Lurker
    IF they are real ladybugs you might wanna start collecting them little critters.

  78. Katfish Avatar

    We can all relax. All the nation’s serious problems have apparently now been resolved.

    A child nutrition bill on its way to President Barack Obama — and championed by the first lady — gives the government power to limit school bake sales and other fundraisers that health advocates say sometimes replace wholesome meals in the lunchroom.

  79. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    We can all relax. All the nation’s serious problems have apparently now been resolved.

    A child nutrition bill on its way to President Barack Obama — and championed by the first lady — gives the government power to limit school bake sales and other fundraisers that health advocates say sometimes replace wholesome meals in the lunchroom.

  80. Katfish Avatar

    The real reason Obama returned the bust of Winston Churchill?

    One hundred and thirty six years ago this week, Winston Churchill—arguably the leading statesman of the twentieth century—was born. The son of a British father and an American mother, Churchill is often remembered for his formidable oratory skills and his love of fine cigars. Yet Churchill was also a great friend to America whose warnings about the empty promises of the nascent welfare state have come to fruition.

  81. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The real reason Obama returned the bust of Winston Churchill?

    One hundred and thirty six years ago this week, Winston Churchill—arguably the leading statesman of the twentieth century—was born. The son of a British father and an American mother, Churchill is often remembered for his formidable oratory skills and his love of fine cigars. Yet Churchill was also a great friend to America whose warnings about the empty promises of the nascent welfare state have come to fruition.

  82. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #41 Squawk

    Yep, if this Lurker needs a little extra income, ladybug ranching might be it.

    There was one review in your link — people who ordered a 1/2 pint of ladybugs for their kid’s kindergarten Show and Tell day.

  83. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #41 Squawk

    Yep, if this Lurker needs a little extra income, ladybug ranching might be it.

    There was one review in your link — people who ordered a 1/2 pint of ladybugs for their kid’s kindergarten Show and Tell day.

  84. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Sunday morning all

    WOW! mharper was Sunday first @ 2:34AM. I thought that at that time of the evening one would either be sound asleep or sitting in a Denny’s eating breakfast.

    Mea culpa for mharper. You were right in your post to me about cats and clotheslines not being funny. I got caught up in the one upping game that day. In the future I will bite my tongue before speaking.

  85. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Sunday morning all

    WOW! mharper was Sunday first @ 2:34AM. I thought that at that time of the evening one would either be sound asleep or sitting in a Denny’s eating breakfast.

    Mea culpa for mharper. You were right in your post to me about cats and clotheslines not being funny. I got caught up in the one upping game that day. In the future I will bite my tongue before speaking.

  86. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Dems defect, Obama blinks

    WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday rejected President Obama’s proposal to let tax rates rise for the highest-income Americans, as Republicans held firm in their push to continue all of the expiring Bush-era tax cuts.

    The White House and Congressional leaders are now discussing a deal to extend the reduced tax rates at all income levels, at least temporarily, perhaps for two years.

    snip………….

    Obama’s plan, approved by the House on Thursday, would have extended the lower rates on income up to $250,000 a year for couples and $200,000 for individuals, but Democrats did not have the 60 votes required under Senate rules to muscle it forward.

    Nor could they muster the votes needed for an alternative proposal, championed by Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, to end the breaks only on income exceeding $1 million.

    Republicans, joined by a handful of Democrats, voted unanimously against both proposals.

    snip……….

    Obama, while pronouncing himself “very disappointed” with the outcome, told reporters he would work through the weekend on a compromise. “With so much at stake, today’s votes cannot be the end of the discussion,” he said.

    The administration and Congressional leaders have been discussing a plan that would temporarily extend all of the income tax rates

    more………..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us/politics/05cong.html?_r=2&hp

  87. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Dems defect, Obama blinks

    WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday rejected President Obama’s proposal to let tax rates rise for the highest-income Americans, as Republicans held firm in their push to continue all of the expiring Bush-era tax cuts.

    The White House and Congressional leaders are now discussing a deal to extend the reduced tax rates at all income levels, at least temporarily, perhaps for two years.

    snip………….

    Obama’s plan, approved by the House on Thursday, would have extended the lower rates on income up to $250,000 a year for couples and $200,000 for individuals, but Democrats did not have the 60 votes required under Senate rules to muscle it forward.

    Nor could they muster the votes needed for an alternative proposal, championed by Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, to end the breaks only on income exceeding $1 million.

    Republicans, joined by a handful of Democrats, voted unanimously against both proposals.

    snip……….

    Obama, while pronouncing himself “very disappointed” with the outcome, told reporters he would work through the weekend on a compromise. “With so much at stake, today’s votes cannot be the end of the discussion,” he said.

    The administration and Congressional leaders have been discussing a plan that would temporarily extend all of the income tax rates

    more………..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us/politics/05cong.html?_r=2&hp

  88. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Oletimer

    Hey, it wasn’t like you lit ’em up or anything.

  89. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Oletimer

    Hey, it wasn’t like you lit ’em up or anything.

  90. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord

    Hidden behind the save-the-world rhetoric of the global climate change negotiations lies the mucky realpolitik: money and threats buy political support; spying and cyberwarfare are used to seek out leverage. The US diplomatic cables reveal how the US seeks dirt on nations opposed to its approach to tackling global warming; how financial and other aid is used by countries to gain political backing; how distrust, broken promises and creative accounting dog negotiations; and how the US mounted a secret global diplomatic offensive to overwhelm opposition
    more

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord

    Meanwhile, what were the global alarmists doing after calling for taxing and rationing the ENTIRE WORLD to further their agenda

    Bureaucrats Gone Wild in Cancun

    The United Nations Climate Change Conference is meeting in Cancun, Mexico from November 29 — December 10 2010 where bureaucrats will work to transfer wealth and technology from developed to developing nations by raising the cost of traditional energy. But before these international bureaucrats get to “work”, they decided to throw a lavish party for themselves.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83CQ_7CGCg&feature=player_embedded

  91. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord

    Hidden behind the save-the-world rhetoric of the global climate change negotiations lies the mucky realpolitik: money and threats buy political support; spying and cyberwarfare are used to seek out leverage. The US diplomatic cables reveal how the US seeks dirt on nations opposed to its approach to tackling global warming; how financial and other aid is used by countries to gain political backing; how distrust, broken promises and creative accounting dog negotiations; and how the US mounted a secret global diplomatic offensive to overwhelm opposition
    more

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord

    Meanwhile, what were the global alarmists doing after calling for taxing and rationing the ENTIRE WORLD to further their agenda

    Bureaucrats Gone Wild in Cancun

    The United Nations Climate Change Conference is meeting in Cancun, Mexico from November 29 — December 10 2010 where bureaucrats will work to transfer wealth and technology from developed to developing nations by raising the cost of traditional energy. But before these international bureaucrats get to “work”, they decided to throw a lavish party for themselves.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83CQ_7CGCg&feature=player_embedded

  92. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #47 GJT

    One of my best buddies just bought his wife a 57 Nomad 3 time national show winner. The owner was going to retire it and commence another project. My friend got it for pennies on the dollar. Here’s the details on it.

    http://www.californiacar.com/57nomad.htm

  93. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #47 GJT

    One of my best buddies just bought his wife a 57 Nomad 3 time national show winner. The owner was going to retire it and commence another project. My friend got it for pennies on the dollar. Here’s the details on it.

    http://www.californiacar.com/57nomad.htm

  94. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    PS to Hamous

    The mea culpa also extends to you. I would not intentionally do anything to demean or belittle the fantastic forum you have graciously extended to us.

  95. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    PS to Hamous

    The mea culpa also extends to you. I would not intentionally do anything to demean or belittle the fantastic forum you have graciously extended to us.

  96. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #50 Oletimer – Heck, I instigated the whole thing with my “tethercat” pic at the top of the page! While I’m not a cat person I assumed it was implied that none of us here would condone or practice animal cruelty.

    re: the Nomad, about 20 years ago I had a chance to buy a very clean ’57 Cameo for $2000. Stupid me, I didn’t buy it. They’re selling for about $30k now.

  97. Hamous Avatar

    #50 Oletimer – Heck, I instigated the whole thing with my “tethercat” pic at the top of the page! While I’m not a cat person I assumed it was implied that none of us here would condone or practice animal cruelty.

    re: the Nomad, about 20 years ago I had a chance to buy a very clean ’57 Cameo for $2000. Stupid me, I didn’t buy it. They’re selling for about $30k now.

  98. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #45 OTL

    cats and clotheslines not being funny

    Thank you for acknowledging that animal cruelty is never funny — certainly not to humane — dare I say Christian — people.

    I did say the cartoon itself was sort of funny because you can imagine DOGS being cruel to CATS.

  99. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Ever since we built our house 10 yrs ago, we’ve always had unusually high electric bills, even in the winter. 2300 sq ft house is in the trees, all gas, double pane tinted windows, blah, blah, blah. Never have had luck in finding the problem.

    I just recieved this Black & Decker Power Monitor I ordered last week and have been playing with it, no glaring power robbing circuit found yet but I’m still playing.

    Question for y’all, what would be considered an average winter bill? Ours was $280 (2516 kWh) for November.

  100. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Ever since we built our house 10 yrs ago, we’ve always had unusually high electric bills, even in the winter. 2300 sq ft house is in the trees, all gas, double pane tinted windows, blah, blah, blah. Never have had luck in finding the problem.

    I just recieved this Black & Decker Power Monitor I ordered last week and have been playing with it, no glaring power robbing circuit found yet but I’m still playing.

    Question for y’all, what would be considered an average winter bill? Ours was $280 (2516 kWh) for November.

  101. Katfish Avatar

    Don’t know average but I can give a couple of data points.

    4yo 3,300sf house summer $350-400 – winter (last month) $65.

    18yo 2,500sf house summer $450 – winter $110.

  102. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Don’t know average but I can give a couple of data points.

    4yo 3,300sf house summer $350-400 – winter (last month) $65.

    18yo 2,500sf house summer $450 – winter $110.

  103. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    That’s helpful WB, been so long since we had a regular electric bill, didn’t know what realistic goal should be.

  104. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    That’s helpful WB, been so long since we had a regular electric bill, didn’t know what realistic goal should be.

  105. squawkbox Avatar

    GJT
    BSue and I live in a little 2 bdrm 1100 sq ft house surrounded by trees. It is a stick frame on piers with Hardi siding, builders windows. We also have a porch on the front side to shade the front windows.
    Summer about $125
    Winter time $45

    I work out of the house so while BSue is working I dress for comfort to keep the AC/heat running as little as possible. I find that this helps in winter and this helps in summer.

    Oletimer

    I would not intentionally do anything to demean or belittle the fantastic forum you have graciously extended to us.

    I on the other hand 😉

    Hamous has one of those take a number machines and he makes me adhere to the number of comments made before I can step in and disrupt things. 🙂

  106. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mhaper;

    Thank you for acknowledging that animal cruelty is never funny — certainly not to humane — dare I say Christian — people.

    Why isn’t it Christian? My Old Testament professor really disliked pets and animals in general and used to repeat the line, “anyone who thinks a cat always lands on its feet doesn’t know how to throw a cat”. That was dang funny. So was Hamous’ pic for his 12/03/10 open Comments thread.

    Note that I assume oletimer was joking. I don’t know the exact source he was referring to. Real life animal cruelty is sad though not nearly as dramatic as human cruelty.

  107. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mhaper;

    Thank you for acknowledging that animal cruelty is never funny — certainly not to humane — dare I say Christian — people.

    Why isn’t it Christian? My Old Testament professor really disliked pets and animals in general and used to repeat the line, “anyone who thinks a cat always lands on its feet doesn’t know how to throw a cat”. That was dang funny. So was Hamous’ pic for his 12/03/10 open Comments thread.

    Note that I assume oletimer was joking. I don’t know the exact source he was referring to. Real life animal cruelty is sad though not nearly as dramatic as human cruelty.

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    My 70 year old 1600 sq ft house with no insulation, original windows, averages $250 in summer and $70 in winter. Most recent bill was $88 and I ran the AC quite a few days in November.

  109. Hamous Avatar

    My 70 year old 1600 sq ft house with no insulation, original windows, averages $250 in summer and $70 in winter. Most recent bill was $88 and I ran the AC quite a few days in November.

  110. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticking head out of LurkCave after rattling door to scare off any buggy invaders, only to find chilly breeze)

    #31, 32, 36, 40, 41, 44

    These little darlings are in rural Fort Bend county. They have chosen the upper corners of the rooms for their bunkhouse, apparently where the airflow is least and the rising heat is greatest.

    They are brownish red with multiple black spots, just like in Hamous’ link #36. Same characteristics and behavioural mode.

    I don’t think I’ll be ladybug ranching any time soon, though, but if I do, I’ll make Squawk and mharper my business managers. And Tedtam can bake ladybug-decorated cupcakes (um, not with the real bugs, just pretty artwork on the frosting) 😀

    / withdrawing into LurkCave, hunting for new vacuum bags. 😈

  111. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticking head out of LurkCave after rattling door to scare off any buggy invaders, only to find chilly breeze)

    #31, 32, 36, 40, 41, 44

    These little darlings are in rural Fort Bend county. They have chosen the upper corners of the rooms for their bunkhouse, apparently where the airflow is least and the rising heat is greatest.

    They are brownish red with multiple black spots, just like in Hamous’ link #36. Same characteristics and behavioural mode.

    I don’t think I’ll be ladybug ranching any time soon, though, but if I do, I’ll make Squawk and mharper my business managers. And Tedtam can bake ladybug-decorated cupcakes (um, not with the real bugs, just pretty artwork on the frosting) 😀

    / withdrawing into LurkCave, hunting for new vacuum bags. 😈

  112. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We average a summer bill of around $280/mo in our 20 year old 2100 sq ft home. It had no trees that shaded the house but we planted some as soon as we moved in and they are about to be able to provide some shade for the front windows. The windows are original and I’m not sure about insulation. Of course the kids leaving doors and windows wide open while the heater or a/c are on doesn’t help.

  113. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We average a summer bill of around $280/mo in our 20 year old 2100 sq ft home. It had no trees that shaded the house but we planted some as soon as we moved in and they are about to be able to provide some shade for the front windows. The windows are original and I’m not sure about insulation. Of course the kids leaving doors and windows wide open while the heater or a/c are on doesn’t help.

  114. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Squawkie 😆

    I won’t embarrass myself by revealing our summer bills.

  115. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Squawkie 😆

    I won’t embarrass myself by revealing our summer bills.

  116. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #56 squawk;

    You ever wonder why your number assigned to you from Hamous’ machine is always 666 ?

    OK, off to church. 🙂

  117. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #56 squawk;

    You ever wonder why your number assigned to you from Hamous’ machine is always 666 ?

    OK, off to church. 🙂

  118. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    GJT;

    Oh dear, I just looked at squawk’s links. On the latter one, all I can say (besides laughing) is… 8O.

  119. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    GJT;

    Oh dear, I just looked at squawk’s links. On the latter one, all I can say (besides laughing) is… 8O.

  120. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    GJT
    I know of several people that have used that heat reflecting paint or foil in their attic and seen their AC bills dramatically reduced, especially if your roof receives direct sun. Also make sure that you have good attic ventilation from the eaves to the top house ridge vent.. Boy I discovered that covered eave vents can really hurt ya.

  121. squawkbox Avatar

    GJT
    I know of several people that have used that heat reflecting paint or foil in their attic and seen their AC bills dramatically reduced, especially if your roof receives direct sun. Also make sure that you have good attic ventilation from the eaves to the top house ridge vent.. Boy I discovered that covered eave vents can really hurt ya.

  122. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Hamous has one of those take a number machines

    I bet he got a got a good deal on it from and ole moderator/complaint taker.

  123. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Hamous has one of those take a number machines

    I bet he got a got a good deal on it from and ole moderator/complaint taker.

  124. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    So someone wants to get upset over the tethercat cartoon?

    i suppose I should not offer to sell them one of these.

    My favorite book.

    One of my all time favorite cartoons.

    Wanna discuss my Christian faith too?

  125. squawkbox Avatar

    So someone wants to get upset over the tethercat cartoon?

    i suppose I should not offer to sell them one of these.

    My favorite book.

    One of my all time favorite cartoons.

    Wanna discuss my Christian faith too?

  126. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Besides cat cruelty cartoons I also enjoy

    1. Wiley Coyote falling off a cliff
    2. Foghorn leghorn getting his feathers blown off
    3. The “Dawg” running to the end of his leash and dang near breaking his neck
    List can go on

    I also enjoy jokes about groups of races and people including but not limited to
    Aggies
    Air force people
    CoonAsses
    People of religion (all of them)
    Gay people
    straight people
    old people
    young people.
    The list goes on.

    The point is we in this country have lost the freaking ability to laugh at ourselves and the biggest jokes of all are these politically correct JackWagons and people that wanna pull out the religion card because they are too damn blind to live life in an innocent fashion much less allow someone else to do so.

    Frankly I tire of people that live to be offended or find offense in others.

  127. squawkbox Avatar

    Besides cat cruelty cartoons I also enjoy

    1. Wiley Coyote falling off a cliff
    2. Foghorn leghorn getting his feathers blown off
    3. The “Dawg” running to the end of his leash and dang near breaking his neck
    List can go on

    I also enjoy jokes about groups of races and people including but not limited to
    Aggies
    Air force people
    CoonAsses
    People of religion (all of them)
    Gay people
    straight people
    old people
    young people.
    The list goes on.

    The point is we in this country have lost the freaking ability to laugh at ourselves and the biggest jokes of all are these politically correct JackWagons and people that wanna pull out the religion card because they are too damn blind to live life in an innocent fashion much less allow someone else to do so.

    Frankly I tire of people that live to be offended or find offense in others.

  128. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    GJT

    Yup 😉

    From my last two comments it will be determined that I am a hater, racist, bigot, homophobe and animal abuser. I did not want anyone to think I have a foul mouth too. Perish the thought.
    😉

  129. squawkbox Avatar

    GJT

    Yup 😉

    From my last two comments it will be determined that I am a hater, racist, bigot, homophobe and animal abuser. I did not want anyone to think I have a foul mouth too. Perish the thought.
    😉

  130. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Frankly I tire of people that live to be offended or find offense in others.

    One of the people I work with has carried such behavior to a bizarre extreme. I think its a disorder with this guy. If you’re not offended by something he thinks you should be offended by, he’ll be offended for you. When he comes into my office (which is waaaay to often) I place this on my desk.

    So far he hasn’t dared exclaim it offends him.

  131. Hamous Avatar

    Frankly I tire of people that live to be offended or find offense in others.

    One of the people I work with has carried such behavior to a bizarre extreme. I think its a disorder with this guy. If you’re not offended by something he thinks you should be offended by, he’ll be offended for you. When he comes into my office (which is waaaay to often) I place this on my desk.

    So far he hasn’t dared exclaim it offends him.

  132. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    FYI — for any old-time radio garden show people, Sunday HouChron has obit for Ben Oldag. He was never my favorite, but after Bob Flagg died, and compared to Randy Lemmon, Ben Oldag was pretty peachy.

  133. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    FYI — for any old-time radio garden show people, Sunday HouChron has obit for Ben Oldag. He was never my favorite, but after Bob Flagg died, and compared to Randy Lemmon, Ben Oldag was pretty peachy.

  134. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Wow and cinnamon flavor STHU gum tuh boot.

  135. squawkbox Avatar

    Wow and cinnamon flavor STHU gum tuh boot.

  136. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Oh wow Ben Oldag passed? Sad. I liked him and way way way back in the day I enjoyed John Burroughs and Bill Zak on 740AM. I can’t handle Randy Lemon.

  137. squawkbox Avatar

    Oh wow Ben Oldag passed? Sad. I liked him and way way way back in the day I enjoyed John Burroughs and Bill Zak on 740AM. I can’t handle Randy Lemon.

  138. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    The best book on Texas critters and pests was written by Bill Zak.

  139. squawkbox Avatar

    The best book on Texas critters and pests was written by Bill Zak.

  140. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I think this would be a good time for a beer.

    Were the words of Franklin Roosevelt after he signed the Cullen-Harrison Act, which was the beginning of the end of the very bad social conservative authoritarian idea of government prohibition of alcohol. When the law took effect, a team of Clydesdales delivered a case of beer to the white house.

    On this day in 1933, the 18th Amendment was finally repealed.

  141. bob42 Avatar

    I think this would be a good time for a beer.

    Were the words of Franklin Roosevelt after he signed the Cullen-Harrison Act, which was the beginning of the end of the very bad social conservative authoritarian idea of government prohibition of alcohol. When the law took effect, a team of Clydesdales delivered a case of beer to the white house.

    On this day in 1933, the 18th Amendment was finally repealed.

  142. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m offended by Squawk’s summer attire.

  143. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m offended by Squawk’s summer attire.

  144. El Gordo Avatar

    I find cinnamon flavored gum offensive. I mean, you could really burn someone’s mouth with that for Pete’s sake. How inconsiderate.

    🙂

  145. Dude42 Avatar

    I find cinnamon flavored gum offensive. I mean, you could really burn someone’s mouth with that for Pete’s sake. How inconsiderate.

    🙂

  146. squawkbox Avatar

    But Shannon I make a Speedo look good.

  147. Tedtam Avatar

    Wow. Just came on board and read the comments.

    Squawk, I’m with you.

    I’m an Aggie Catholic cat-and-dog-lover. One of my favorite bumper stickers is “Cats- The Other White Meat”. When I decided to go to A&M, I bought every Aggie joke book I could find (which came in handy when I wanted to shut my father up when he thought he was getting to me). And I’m no averse to the occasional Catholic or Christian joke, as long as I feel the joke-teller is not being harsh and hateful. I guess the non-hater rule applies to any joke, because then it stops being a joke and becomes personal.

    The healthy ability to laugh at ourselves and see the humor in our human condition is a good thing. That’s why Muslims have such a hard time getting people to listen to them. I’m sure they tell Mohammed jokes to each other, but they can’t share that lighter side of themselves with anyone else.

    As for the cupcakes, I’ll have to get Lovely to help out.

  148. Tedtam Avatar

    Wow. Just came on board and read the comments.

    Squawk, I’m with you.

    I’m an Aggie Catholic cat-and-dog-lover. One of my favorite bumper stickers is “Cats- The Other White Meat”. When I decided to go to A&M, I bought every Aggie joke book I could find (which came in handy when I wanted to shut my father up when he thought he was getting to me). And I’m no averse to the occasional Catholic or Christian joke, as long as I feel the joke-teller is not being harsh and hateful. I guess the non-hater rule applies to any joke, because then it stops being a joke and becomes personal.

    The healthy ability to laugh at ourselves and see the humor in our human condition is a good thing. That’s why Muslims have such a hard time getting people to listen to them. I’m sure they tell Mohammed jokes to each other, but they can’t share that lighter side of themselves with anyone else.

    As for the cupcakes, I’ll have to get Lovely to help out.

  149. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, I here’s one website for Muslim humor.

    I have taken it upon myself to supply the world with more Muslim jokes. It goes without saying that Muslims are perhaps the least humorous folk on Earth; whereas Jews have learned to laugh at themselves, even turning that laughter into a business: Vaudeville.

    When I was growing up, my father never failed to tell me at least three jokes a day, most of them involving Jews and their eccentricities, customs, and travails. I’d like to continue that long tradition of Jews telling jokes, but with Muslims as the butt of the joke. You can’t be civilized until you can laugh at yourself.

    I didn’t find all the jokes humorous, but a few of them made my cut.

    A Muslim father catches his son masturbating. He says, “Don’t do that my son, or Allah will strike you blind.” The child says, “Abu, I’m over here.”

    My favorite:

    Q. How many Muslim extremists will it take to destroy America?
    A. None, American Liberals can do it all by themselves, thank you.

  150. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, I here’s one website for Muslim humor.

    I have taken it upon myself to supply the world with more Muslim jokes. It goes without saying that Muslims are perhaps the least humorous folk on Earth; whereas Jews have learned to laugh at themselves, even turning that laughter into a business: Vaudeville.

    When I was growing up, my father never failed to tell me at least three jokes a day, most of them involving Jews and their eccentricities, customs, and travails. I’d like to continue that long tradition of Jews telling jokes, but with Muslims as the butt of the joke. You can’t be civilized until you can laugh at yourself.

    I didn’t find all the jokes humorous, but a few of them made my cut.

    A Muslim father catches his son masturbating. He says, “Don’t do that my son, or Allah will strike you blind.” The child says, “Abu, I’m over here.”

    My favorite:

    Q. How many Muslim extremists will it take to destroy America?
    A. None, American Liberals can do it all by themselves, thank you.

  151. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I don’t mind cat jokes. Although I suspect Tom’s family didn’t like that one.

  152. bob42 Avatar

    I don’t mind cat jokes. Although I suspect Tom’s family didn’t like that one.

  153. Tedtam Avatar

    From the comments section:

    Mohammad and Al’Lah walk into a mosque. You would think one of them would have seen it.

  154. Tedtam Avatar

    From the comments section:

    Mohammad and Al’Lah walk into a mosque. You would think one of them would have seen it.

  155. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Tedtam

    It just struck me that Aggie jokes are old Pollock jokes in drag. 😉 I am a coonass and have heard the same variations on the themes about us yet no one gets upset about it. I am not that self aware to get upset about it. Don’t want to.

    I will concede there are jokes that are not jokes at all. The “teller” does intend to hurt and foster anger. I have no problem ripping that persons smile off their face, reaching down their throat grabbing their colon and turning them inside out. But to accuse someone of condoning/enjoying animal abuse because of a simple cartoon like tethercat is found funny? That is another matter too. That takes a real sick mind too. I stand by my statement that this country has lost her innocence and ability to laugh at herself.

  156. squawkbox Avatar

    Tedtam

    It just struck me that Aggie jokes are old Pollock jokes in drag. 😉 I am a coonass and have heard the same variations on the themes about us yet no one gets upset about it. I am not that self aware to get upset about it. Don’t want to.

    I will concede there are jokes that are not jokes at all. The “teller” does intend to hurt and foster anger. I have no problem ripping that persons smile off their face, reaching down their throat grabbing their colon and turning them inside out. But to accuse someone of condoning/enjoying animal abuse because of a simple cartoon like tethercat is found funny? That is another matter too. That takes a real sick mind too. I stand by my statement that this country has lost her innocence and ability to laugh at herself.

  157. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Bob42
    HOWEVER Anyone says anything about Theo they will have me to deal with. Even tho your cat hates me.

  158. squawkbox Avatar

    Bob42
    HOWEVER Anyone says anything about Theo they will have me to deal with. Even tho your cat hates me.

  159. Tedtam Avatar

    Handsome Son just returned from working on his car with his father. This morning at breakfast (and remember – Kelley’s portions are double the normal serving!) he had: pancakes, a plate of hash browns, a couple of eggs, and bacon. That was his ordered breakfast. He also took 1/4 of his cousin’s Belgian waffle, covered in jelly butter, and syrup. I gave him half of my breakfast burrito, stuffed with eggs, bacon, etc.

    Now that it’s been a few hours, he is eating again. Two slices of leftover pizza and a huge honkin’ bowl of leftover tortellini, half of which I thought I might eat later for a meal. He’s also downing a good-sized glass of chocolate milk.

    I think that when he’s finally ready to leave home, my food budget is going to drop by at least half.

  160. Tedtam Avatar

    Handsome Son just returned from working on his car with his father. This morning at breakfast (and remember – Kelley’s portions are double the normal serving!) he had: pancakes, a plate of hash browns, a couple of eggs, and bacon. That was his ordered breakfast. He also took 1/4 of his cousin’s Belgian waffle, covered in jelly butter, and syrup. I gave him half of my breakfast burrito, stuffed with eggs, bacon, etc.

    Now that it’s been a few hours, he is eating again. Two slices of leftover pizza and a huge honkin’ bowl of leftover tortellini, half of which I thought I might eat later for a meal. He’s also downing a good-sized glass of chocolate milk.

    I think that when he’s finally ready to leave home, my food budget is going to drop by at least half.

  161. Tedtam Avatar

    Squawk

    It just struck me that Aggie jokes are old Pollock jokes in drag.

    Or blonde jokes in overalls.

  162. Tedtam Avatar

    Squawk

    It just struck me that Aggie jokes are old Pollock jokes in drag.

    Or blonde jokes in overalls.

  163. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    This black lady came into my wife’s office swearing that someone had killed a bear in Buckhorn (right down the road from me) and they had it laying in the parking lot of the local “outdoors” store. My wife drove by later and saw the creature hanging from a forklift. Turns out it was a feral hog weighing in at 725 lbs…..which might be a world record.

  164. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    This black lady came into my wife’s office swearing that someone had killed a bear in Buckhorn (right down the road from me) and they had it laying in the parking lot of the local “outdoors” store. My wife drove by later and saw the creature hanging from a forklift. Turns out it was a feral hog weighing in at 725 lbs…..which might be a world record.

  165. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    IT’S BACON

  166. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    The wife throws one of those entire packages of tortellini into the pot and my standard retort is, “So, what are YOU having tonight?”

  167. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    The wife throws one of those entire packages of tortellini into the pot and my standard retort is, “So, what are YOU having tonight?”

  168. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    I am so proud of my BSue. She has lost 24lbs.

  169. squawkbox Avatar

    I am so proud of my BSue. She has lost 24lbs.

  170. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #84 Squawk

    because of a simple cartoon like tethercat

    1) The issue was NOT the cartoon, I admitted that was clever. The issue was follow-up suggestions about using cats for target practise, etc.

    2) I was NOT offended, I was appalled, by the comments. Is that worse?

  171. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #84 Squawk

    because of a simple cartoon like tethercat

    1) The issue was NOT the cartoon, I admitted that was clever. The issue was follow-up suggestions about using cats for target practise, etc.

    2) I was NOT offended, I was appalled, by the comments. Is that worse?

  172. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Appalled at what? I can find much more to get “appalled” over. Good grief.

    Like I said “anything to get offended over”. I for one refuse to walk around on eggshells worrying about appalling or offending anyone.

    And your little “Chrisitian” remark? What was that all about?

  173. squawkbox Avatar

    Appalled at what? I can find much more to get “appalled” over. Good grief.

    Like I said “anything to get offended over”. I for one refuse to walk around on eggshells worrying about appalling or offending anyone.

    And your little “Chrisitian” remark? What was that all about?

  174. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #88 Shannon

    Did you never hear of Hogzilla? Some details at this link:
    http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/hogzilla.asp

    Animal lover that I am, I usually wonder why someone felt compelled to kill the creature. It’s not like anyone would seriously want to eat feral pork meat.

  175. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #88 Shannon

    Did you never hear of Hogzilla? Some details at this link:
    http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/hogzilla.asp

    Animal lover that I am, I usually wonder why someone felt compelled to kill the creature. It’s not like anyone would seriously want to eat feral pork meat.

  176. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    BTW I need to make a sell. Wanna by a cat carrier?

    I hear dead cats make great door stops too. I may start selling those too. Hey waht do you call a dead cat that has been run over more than several times? Frisbee.

  177. squawkbox Avatar

    BTW I need to make a sell. Wanna by a cat carrier?

    I hear dead cats make great door stops too. I may start selling those too. Hey waht do you call a dead cat that has been run over more than several times? Frisbee.

  178. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Feral pork meat makes great BACON and sausage.

  179. squawkbox Avatar

    Feral pork meat makes great BACON and sausage.

  180. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Christmas Carols for the Psychiatrically Challenged:

    MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER: We Three Kings Disoriented Are

    DEMENTIA: I Think I’ll Be Home For Christmas

    NARCISSISTIC: Hark, the Herald Angels Sing About Me

    MANIC: Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Fire Hydrants and . . .

    PARANOID: Santa Claus Is Coming To Get Me

    PERSONALITY DISORDER: You Better Watch Out, I’m Gonna Cry, I’m Gonna Pout, Maybe I’ll Tell You Why

  181. bob42 Avatar

    Christmas Carols for the Psychiatrically Challenged:

    MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER: We Three Kings Disoriented Are

    DEMENTIA: I Think I’ll Be Home For Christmas

    NARCISSISTIC: Hark, the Herald Angels Sing About Me

    MANIC: Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Fire Hydrants and . . .

    PARANOID: Santa Claus Is Coming To Get Me

    PERSONALITY DISORDER: You Better Watch Out, I’m Gonna Cry, I’m Gonna Pout, Maybe I’ll Tell You Why

  182. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I do not consider it a Christian virtue to be cruel to animals, that is what I said.

  183. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I do not consider it a Christian virtue to be cruel to animals, that is what I said.

  184. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    mharper

    As a matter of fact, feral hog meat is quite tasty. My father-in-law would capture and cross breed them with domestic swine – some of the finest eating you could imagine.

    It’s open season on feral hogs year round in this state. I’ll be glad to show you damage done by feral hogs anytime you’d like to see it. I’ve seen an acre of pasture land destroyed overnight by just a small group of the little darlings. They have no natural predators and are destroying hundreds of thousands of acreage annually in Texas.

    I am compelled to kill no creature for the fun of killing.

    But I gladly kill feral hogs or coyotes without a thought.

    These are pests no different than insect pests or any other type pest.

    Tell me, are you opposed to vaccinations also??

  185. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    mharper

    As a matter of fact, feral hog meat is quite tasty. My father-in-law would capture and cross breed them with domestic swine – some of the finest eating you could imagine.

    It’s open season on feral hogs year round in this state. I’ll be glad to show you damage done by feral hogs anytime you’d like to see it. I’ve seen an acre of pasture land destroyed overnight by just a small group of the little darlings. They have no natural predators and are destroying hundreds of thousands of acreage annually in Texas.

    I am compelled to kill no creature for the fun of killing.

    But I gladly kill feral hogs or coyotes without a thought.

    These are pests no different than insect pests or any other type pest.

    Tell me, are you opposed to vaccinations also??

  186. Tedtam Avatar

    #95 mharper42

    Animal lover that I am, I usually wonder why someone felt compelled to kill the creature

    Hogs are one of the most destructive critters I’ve ever seen. They can take any size area of pasture you care to mention and turn it into one large mud pit quicker’n you can say “Oh, how cute!” And they can be darn mean, to boot.

    It’s a good thing we can turn them into bacon. A lemon into lemonade kinda thing.

  187. Tedtam Avatar

    #95 mharper42

    Animal lover that I am, I usually wonder why someone felt compelled to kill the creature

    Hogs are one of the most destructive critters I’ve ever seen. They can take any size area of pasture you care to mention and turn it into one large mud pit quicker’n you can say “Oh, how cute!” And they can be darn mean, to boot.

    It’s a good thing we can turn them into bacon. A lemon into lemonade kinda thing.

  188. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Save the whales!! Save the virus!!! Save the coyotes!! Save the feral hogs!!!

  189. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Save the whales!! Save the virus!!! Save the coyotes!! Save the feral hogs!!!

  190. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And just for SQK….

    Save the feral cats!!!

  191. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And just for SQK….

    Save the feral cats!!!

  192. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    # 98
    It’s so frustrating when bob is so damned funny.

    Ahahhaahhahahahahhaahahh!

  193. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    # 98
    It’s so frustrating when bob is so damned funny.

    Ahahhaahhahahahahhaahahh!

  194. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #104 Shannon, if it’s any consolation, that list was not original. I heard it from my cat.

  195. bob42 Avatar

    #104 Shannon, if it’s any consolation, that list was not original. I heard it from my cat.

  196. Katfish Avatar

    That cat carrier is cruel.

    The way the end for its head is designed it’ll smoosh it’s face. 😉

  197. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    That cat carrier is cruel.

    The way the end for its head is designed it’ll smoosh it’s face. 😉

  198. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Animal lover that I am, I cruelly refuse to walk Max The Pecan-Eating Beagle under the pecan trees anymore. This idiot noses around in the grass, takes one into his mouth, cracks it, spits it out and then licks out the pecan from the shell.
    I just don’t have the patience anymore.

  199. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Animal lover that I am, I cruelly refuse to walk Max The Pecan-Eating Beagle under the pecan trees anymore. This idiot noses around in the grass, takes one into his mouth, cracks it, spits it out and then licks out the pecan from the shell.
    I just don’t have the patience anymore.

  200. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I hear dead cats make great door stops too. I may start selling those too.

    /reminded me of this

    Good luck with that. No market. They’re giving ’em away.

  201. Hamous Avatar

    I hear dead cats make great door stops too. I may start selling those too.

    /reminded me of this

    Good luck with that. No market. They’re giving ’em away.

  202. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Glad to see Shannon poke his head up.

  203. Hamous Avatar

    Glad to see Shannon poke his head up.

  204. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    109 Hammie
    I love to crash the party….especially with a fancy front page posting.
    I shore miss y’all evra day.

  205. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    109 Hammie
    I love to crash the party….especially with a fancy front page posting.
    I shore miss y’all evra day.

  206. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    I do not consider it a Christian virtue to be cruel to animals, that is what I said.

    But you are self professed atheist. What do you care? And who was being cruel or even advocating cruelty to any animal.

    Your righteous indignation makes me laugh. In fact it is funnier than putting a live bass in a blender.

  207. squawkbox Avatar

    I do not consider it a Christian virtue to be cruel to animals, that is what I said.

    But you are self professed atheist. What do you care? And who was being cruel or even advocating cruelty to any animal.

    Your righteous indignation makes me laugh. In fact it is funnier than putting a live bass in a blender.

  208. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    In fact that is exactly what you said:

    Thank you for acknowledging that animal cruelty is never funny — certainly not to humane — dare I say Christian — people.

    You inference is quite clear.

  209. squawkbox Avatar

    In fact that is exactly what you said:

    Thank you for acknowledging that animal cruelty is never funny — certainly not to humane — dare I say Christian — people.

    You inference is quite clear.

  210. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    And real animal cruelty is not funny. Making jokes after a cartoon is.

  211. squawkbox Avatar

    And real animal cruelty is not funny. Making jokes after a cartoon is.

  212. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Have a nice night y’all. I am going back to visiting with my Daughter. It is safe to come out now.

  213. squawkbox Avatar

    Have a nice night y’all. I am going back to visiting with my Daughter. It is safe to come out now.

  214. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Prolly faked, but still funny.

  215. bob42 Avatar

    Prolly faked, but still funny.

  216. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #68;

    Frankly I tire of people that live to be offended or find offense in others.

    Which are true characteristics of being “unchristian”.

  217. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #68;

    Frankly I tire of people that live to be offended or find offense in others.

    Which are true characteristics of being “unchristian”.

  218. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob42 #76;

    the social conservative authoritarian idea of government prohibition of alcohol

    Why the freakin’ h*ll do you keep repeating that lie?

  219. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob42 #76;

    the social conservative authoritarian idea of government prohibition of alcohol

    Why the freakin’ h*ll do you keep repeating that lie?

  220. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #177 What is untrue about it?

  221. bob42 Avatar

    #177 What is untrue about it?

  222. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oh, just the “social conservative” part.

  223. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oh, just the “social conservative” part.

  224. meglettx Avatar

    A Shandingo sighting!

    Well, I declare.

    It won’t be long and I’ll be making that Belleville car show, and I fully expect ol’ Shannon and Cbr to join me for breakfast, my treat.

  225. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    A Shandingo sighting!

    Well, I declare.

    It won’t be long and I’ll be making that Belleville car show, and I fully expect ol’ Shannon and Cbr to join me for breakfast, my treat.

  226. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticks head out of LurkCave, taking break from hunting vac bags)

    #100 Shannon,

    Ladybugs are “little darlings,” feral hogs are SWINE! Please do not insult the ladybugs. There is no comparison. Besides, if you insult them, I might box ’em up and send ’em to your house. Well, I’ll instruct them to find your house, since they would have better luck than I.

    / withdraws into LurkCave, debating whether to go get vac bags at store (if it’s open) because they are neatly hanging on the display rack, instantly findable.

  227. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticks head out of LurkCave, taking break from hunting vac bags)

    #100 Shannon,

    Ladybugs are “little darlings,” feral hogs are SWINE! Please do not insult the ladybugs. There is no comparison. Besides, if you insult them, I might box ’em up and send ’em to your house. Well, I’ll instruct them to find your house, since they would have better luck than I.

    / withdraws into LurkCave, debating whether to go get vac bags at store (if it’s open) because they are neatly hanging on the display rack, instantly findable.

  228. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    #120

    Shannon and Cbr to join me for breakfast, my treat

    An offer I can’t refuse!

  229. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    #120

    Shannon and Cbr to join me for breakfast, my treat

    An offer I can’t refuse!

  230. Tedtam Avatar

    Hey, Lurker – if you can’t get rid of ’em, maybe you can just let them entertain you!

  231. Tedtam Avatar

    Hey, Lurker – if you can’t get rid of ’em, maybe you can just let them entertain you!

  232. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Been busy tonight, but I see I have been voted off the island while I was away.

    Looks like the score is about even since I have managed to outrage most of you one way or another this weekend. So let’s call a truce on the issue of animal cruelty. I’ll even apologize and say I overreacted to that first comment about target practise. I don’t believe any of you actually advocate shooting cats.

    — Marilyn

  233. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Been busy tonight, but I see I have been voted off the island while I was away.

    Looks like the score is about even since I have managed to outrage most of you one way or another this weekend. So let’s call a truce on the issue of animal cruelty. I’ll even apologize and say I overreacted to that first comment about target practise. I don’t believe any of you actually advocate shooting cats.

    — Marilyn

  234. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    – Marilyn
    You did not outrage me. LOL Ask anyone that knows me, my “outrage” is reserved for bigger folks than you and I both.

    Apology accepted anyway.

  235. squawkbox Avatar

    – Marilyn
    You did not outrage me. LOL Ask anyone that knows me, my “outrage” is reserved for bigger folks than you and I both.

    Apology accepted anyway.

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