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Monday Margins Open Comments

I found this interesting article about things found in the margins of books copied tediously by monks. (I can’t think of anything worse than copying a text by hand and then making a mistake on the last line.) I can visualize the brothers, copying text onto papyrus by the sunlight through a window until dusk brings and end to the day’s labors. How painstakingly they must have toiled at their tasks! At least one of them agrees:

Writing is excessive drudgery. It crooks your back, it dims your sight, it twists your stomach.

And this leads to comments like these:

New parchment, bad ink; I say nothing more.

That’s a hard page and weary work to read it.

Let the reader’s voice honor the writer’s pen.

This page has not been written very slowly.

This parchment is hairy.

Thank God it will soon be dark.

Oh my hand.

Now I’ve written the whole thing: for Christ’s sake give me a drink.

As the harbor is welcome to the sailor, so is the last line to the scribe.

Some of the medieval monks were a little more, well, inappropriate with their illustrations. Venture here at your own risk. You have been warned.
Marginalia was practiced by Mark Twain and Nelson Mandela. What will become of marginalia in our high-tech world of bits and bytes and pixels? The pleasure of a well-bound book, with the wonders of the world and the spirit of man, are fast becoming the victims of tablets and “the cloud”. Well-written prose is being replaced by Twitter text and phone text abbreviations. Curling up with a good book is being replaced by lounging with a screen. And marginalia, those traces of thoughts left behind in books as they are pondered, will be harder to save.
I have an aversion for writing in books, but since I use my Bible as manual and don’t intend to get rid of it, I have no problem leaving marginalia in there. In my Bible I’ve made notes to remind myself of things I want to remember for later. What will those scribbled notes mean to my children after I’ve gone on? What will those bits of memory tell my grandchildren about me? Or am I doing a little too much naval gazing here?
And one last parting shot from a monk from many, many years ago:

Now I’ve written the whole thing: for Christ’s sake give me a drink.

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  1. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Carpe diem.
    I’m off to the water works department of St. John’s Hospital to get my plumbing back in order. Getting old is just not for sissies any more.

  2. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I think in today’s Facebook world where everyone feels they must lay out their every emotion and bowel movement, the “margins” have become the main body of the book.

  3. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    #2 GJT
    🙂

  4. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    First they came for the Gingers.

  5. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    GJT
    Yep

  6. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    “Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.”
    — G. K. Chesterton

    Some new information regarding this mystery has come to light.

  7. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    6, Sarge
    Great, one more thing to be classified as flammable that cannot be carried on
    an airline. I wonder what the explosive power of a can of Chez-Whiz is?
    Simple

  8. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Good luck, El G.

  9. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #1 – kneemail for all best outcome is up!

  10. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I wonder what the explosive power of a can of Chez-Whiz is?

    In a recently-release top secret document, it was revealed that a can of Cheez-Wiz was used as the trigger for the second stage of the Castle Bravo shot.

  11. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #1 el g
    Best wishes for you and your little Florida.

  12. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Maybe there are monk marginalia cheese poems.

  13. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    The Chaucer of Cheese

  14. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Dead Fish sends out more dead fish.

  15. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Well it cannot be denied when we hear it straight from the horse’s mouth
    (unless you are a libtard wanting to disarm the general populace of course)

  16. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Cream, Cheddar, Roquefort
    Noble cheeses, one and all
    ‘Murcan for sammich

  17. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Everything is just fine, Sarge. They just need better talking heads.

  18. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    So, what is your premium after your employer quits providing health insurance?

  19. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    ABC continues to provide cover for Ds at the expense of honest journalism.

    HEADLINE: ABC Gives Sen. Menendez Six Minute Interview With No Questions About FBI’s Hooker Investigation

    On Friday it was revealed that the FBI is investigating Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) for allegedly sleeping with underage prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.
    Despite this, when Menendez was given a six-minute interview with Martha Raddatz on ABC’s This Week Sunday, he was not asked one question about the investigation or the allegations (commentary follows with full transcript at end of post):

    This is as far as most low info voters get; coverage from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, PMSNBC. While we are all aware that the LSM is flagrantly biased in favor of Ds, the bulk of the low info voters are not. Advertising/propaganda works, it changes behavior and it changes perceptions on the vast majority of people. It will continue to work unless and until there is an exposure to the fraud coupled with the presentation of the truth. Messaging is extremely important, and the R leadership seems to be clueless on this aspect. Hopefully the Rs in the next prez debate will have the good sense to not allow hyper partisans like Bob Schieffer or Martha Ratsazz or whomever to ‘moderate’ the debates again. They need to attack the blatant double standard each and every time it happens.

  20. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    17 Shannon says:
    January 28, 2013 at 8:48 am
    Everything is just fine, Sarge. They just need better talking heads.

    From the article:

    But the party’s main problem, dozens of Republican National Committee members argued in interviews over three days this week, is who delivers its message and how, not the message itself. Overwhelmingly they insisted that substantive policy changes aren’t the answer to last year’s losses.

    Translation:
    Its all Rush Limbaugh’s fault.
    Idiots.
    Damned idiots.

  21. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    While we are all aware that the LSM is flagrantly biased in favor of Ds,

    Well, not ALL of us:

    “Isn’t it ironic? Democrats come in, and I think they get a much freer pass to the White House than Republicans, but it always seems to be the Democrats, the Clintons and now Barack Obama, that has this terrible relationship with the media,” Scarborough said.

  22. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #21 CouchMaster:

    “Isn’t it ironic? Democrats come in, and I think they get a much freer pass to the White House than Republicans, but it always seems to be the Democrats, the Clintons and now Barack Obama, that has this terrible relationship with the media,” Scarborough said.

    Words and phrases that immediately come to mind are: preposterous, idiotic, lying sack of crap, active suspension of disbelief, hubris, nekkid propaganda, etc. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

  23. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I think Scarborough has become contaminated by Mika Brzezinski.

  24. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The gun grabbing schizzle brains want to register all people who have more than one firearm or some such nonsense. I have a much better registration scheme: How about registering all the convicted felons who are unable to ever be in possession of a firearm? If they are ever caught in possession of a firearm they go straight to jail.
    This will take the blame off the pencil for the misspelled word and put it exactly where it belongs. This registry should be accessible by any beat cop with a computer; if they can do a license check, they can check this registry as well.
    Just keep track of the terds and leave the rest of us the wiss alone.

  25. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning All
    January 28, 1964
    On this day in 1964, OletimeLin was honorably discharged from the United States Marine Corps. He maintained his esprit de corps and the Marine Corps Core Values of Honor, Courage, and Commitment and is presently enjoying retirement after a successful civilian career in Electrical Engineering in the petrochemical/offshore industry. Beginning as a draftsmen, he rose to be the Electrical Engineering/Construction Coordinator for the deep water Gulf of Mexico. He now maintains his physical and mental fitness with the questionable aspect that he believes he can communicate with hamsters.

  26. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Catastrophic explosion kills Texas astronaut and her colleagues
    January 28, 1986
    On this day in 1986, a leak in a solid rocket booster seal caused the shuttle Challenger to explode shortly after liftoff. All the crew died—Francis R. Scobee, Michael J. Smith, Judith A. Resnik, Ellison Onizuka, and Ronald McNair, as well as Gregory B. Jarvis of Hughes Aircraft and S. Christa McAuliffe, a New Hampshire school teacher who was to be the first passenger-observer in the United States space program and the first “teacher-in-space.”

  27. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #25 OTL: OOOOOOO-RAAAAAAAAAAH!! Thank you sir, for your service to our country, both in and out of Th Corps.

  28. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Wish I coulda been there to sample this younger woman.

    Police Charge 71-Year-Old With Prostitution in Glastonbury, CT
    By Robert Muirhead
    A 71-year-old woman was arrested on prostitution charges at Homewood Suites in Glastonbury Friday.
    A regional narcotics task force arrested a 71-year-old Westport woman on prostitution charges after police say she arranged to have sex for money in a Glastonbury hotel.
    Sygun Liebhart, 71, of 80 Easton Road, Westport, placed an ad on the website Backpage.com promoting herself under the “escort” section as “Lola,” according to police.
    Liebhart met with an individual at Homewood Suites, 65 Glastonbury Boulevard, and made a deal to perform sexual acts for money. Members of the East Central Narcotics Task Force then placed Liebhart under arrest.
    She was charged with a single count of prostitution and was released on $500 non-surety bond.

  29. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #24 Bones
    How it should work:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vsVCHE7ayPE

  30. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #16
    PyroMan – the Haiku Guru. Also the Sammich Guru.

  31. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    It looks like the schizzle is hitting the spinny thing in Iran.

    HEADLINE: YOU READ IT HERE FIRST! JAN. 24, 2013
    SABOTAGE! KEY IRANIAN NUCLEAR FACILITY HIT?

    An explosion deep within Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility has destroyed much of the installation and trapped about 240 personnel deep underground, according to a former intelligence officer of the Islamic regime.
    The previously secret nuclear site has become a center for Iran’s nuclear activity because of the 2,700 centrifuges enriching uranium to the 20-percent level. A further enrichment to weapons grade would take only weeks, experts say.
    /snip
    According to a source in the security forces protecting Fordow, an explosion on Monday at 11:30 a.m. Tehran time rocked the site, which is buried deep under a mountain and immune not only to airstrikes but to most bunker-buster bombs. The report of the blast came via Hamidreza Zakeri, formerly with the Islamic regime’s Ministry of Intelligence and National Security,
    The blast shook facilities within a radius of three miles. Security forces have enforced a no-traffic radius of 15 miles, and the Tehran-Qom highway was shut down for several hours after the blast, the source said. As of Wednesday afternoon, rescue workers had failed to reach the trapped personnel.
    The site, about 300 feet under a mountain, had two elevators which now are out of commission. One elevator descended about 240 feet and was used to reach centrifuge chambers. The other went to the bottom to carry heavy equipment and transfer uranium hexafluoride. One emergency staircase reaches the bottom of the site and another one was not complete. The source said the emergency exit southwest of the site is unreachable.
    The regime believes the blast was sabotage and the explosives could have reached the area disguised as equipment or in the uranium hexafluoride stock transferred to the site, the source said. The explosion occurred at the third centrifuge chambers, with the high-grade enriched uranium reserves below them.

    This is a WND story, however, the amount of specific detail causes me to place a bit more credence to it. How could this amount of detail be known unless there was a real good source?
    Let’s just say that I am not in the least bit upset that the goat-rapers in Iran are having extreme difficulty achieving their obvious objective of NUKES.

  32. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #25 OTL

    He now maintains his physical and mental fitness with the questionable aspect that he believes he can communicate with hamsters.

    Plenty of room on the Couch, and we take turns on the exercise wheel.
    🙂

  33. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    In 2009, the FBI referred 71,000 cases [of felons attempting to buy guns] to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), but U.S. attorneys prosecuted only 77.

    They don’t want to solve the problem. They want crises to campaign on.

  34. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #29 OLT
    Did you see the other two Glock commercials they released recently? One was a young woman dealing with a potential rapist, and I can’t remember the second one. They were posted last week some time.
    You can hear lib heads ‘splodin’ everywhere.

  35. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    The Iranian’s space program must be further along than we thought. They were so confident they sent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the first Iranian in space.

  36. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    At the end of this article from DEBKAfiles is another reference to the explosion at the Iranian Nuke facility (#31 above).

    Meanwhile in Iran itself, the Fordo underground uranium enrichment plant was again reported targeted for sabotage, according to an unconfirmed report published by Reza Kahlil, who is described as a former Iranian Revolutionary Guards officer who worked under cover as a double agent for the CIA until he escaped to the United States.
    Kahlil reported that at 11:30 a.m., Monday, Jan. 21, the day before Israel’s general elections, a large explosion occurred 100 meters deep inside the underground plant, trapping 240 nuclear staff in the third centrifuge chamber. Among them, he said, were Iranian and Ukrainian technicians.
    There was no information about casualties or the extent of damage to the 2,700 centrifuges which have been turning out 20-percent enriched uranium.
    Khalil cited his source as Hamidreza Zakeri, a former Iranian Intelligence Ministry agent, who said the regime believes the blast was sabotage and the explosives could have reached the area disguised by the CIA as equipment imported for the site or defective machinery.
    None of the information about an explosion at Fordo has been verified either by US officials or regime sources in Tehran.
    Thursday, Jan. 24, Israel’s Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz and Military Intelligence Director Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi ceremonially promoted Col. G., commander of the elite Sayeret Matkal, to the rank of major general in recognition of his unit’s “outstanding covert operations.”

    The article in this post speaks primarily of the successful hit on hezbollah big shots who are now the targets for satan’s butt darts.

  37. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #33: That is where the focus from the right thinking, sound minded, 2nd Amendment adherents needs to be. We need to highlight at every opportunity the failure/refusal to enforce the laws on the books, therefore additional restrictions on law abiding citizens are absurd.

  38. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Speaking of Glock, this isn’t one but it is cool
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5Aq7bz-tI

  39. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #38 – wow very cool!!!

  40. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #38: From what I gathered it is 900+fps with a 146 grain .357cal projectile; very impressive for an air rifle. I don’t know how many shots you can get before you have to recharge the air tank, but the ad mentioned that it will do the 6 shot rotary magazine. How long does it take to fill the reservoir with the hand pump? How much does an electric (110v or 12v via cig lighter in car) pump cost? $1300 for said air rifle causes me extreme heartburn.

  41. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    5 – 20 shots depending on pressure setting. Hand pump (250 psi) 199 adaptor for pressure tank 79 -124. Didn’t say how many pumps by hand.

  42. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I was just reminded of an event that happened years ago…
    I was 7 months pregnant with Handsome Son, on my way to pick up Lovely Daughter, when my tire threw tread right where I-45 meets I-10. During rush hour. At seven months and with so little space to work in, I would not be able to change the tire myself. I had no phone with me to call for help. Not less than five minutes later, a small brown pickup truck pulled up behind me, and “Randy” offered to put my spare tire on for me. All he asked for was to ask me to pull up closer to the concrete barrier so he’d have more room, and to warn him if I saw a car crossing the pavement marking line. I did better than that. If he was going to stick his head inches from moving traffic, I could try to protect him. I put my big, pregnant belly right over that line while watching the traffic. Only five people asked if they could help during the whole ordeal.
    Randy finished changing out my tire, and I offered him the only cash I had on me – a $20 bill. He refused it, saying that Hubby would do the same for his wife. He left, and I didn’t get his phone number or anything.
    So, Randy, if you’re out there, just know that your kindness that day to a perfect stranger in need has never been forgotten. And I was able to pick up Lovely Daughter from her daycare on time.
    And I did pay it forward – to two women whose radiator hose was slashed by their cooling fan. Hubby and I were able to patch the hose at the rest stop on I-10 near Columbus that got them all the way back to Houston.

  43. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    heeheehee
    speed limit enforced by AIRCRAFT

  44. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    So last week I contacted Groupon to tell them to delete my account based on thier abrupt decision to stop offering gun related services and products. I have received two replies from them, and have answered both:

    Sargevining, Jan 23 02:59 pm (CST):
    Please remove me and my account from all Groupon Services and your mailing list due to your recent change in position regarding the sale of firearms parts and related items. If you change this position, feel free to contact me, but not until.
    Thank you.

    Justin H, Jan 25 10:54 am (CST):
    Hi Kent,
    Thank you for taking the time to reach out to us.
    We understand that this is a sensitive topic, and that some of our customers may not agree with our choice to pause the promotion of firearm-related deals. Groupon has always aimed to offer a diverse range of products and services to meet the various tastes and interests of our subscribers. However, at this time, enough customers and merchants have voiced their opinions that we believe a hiatus is warranted.
    Please note that we have never sold guns, and this hiatus only applies to firearm-related deals including shooting ranges, clay pigeon shooting, and concealed weapons training classes. We have not made a final determination regarding this category — we are simply taking a break and may reevaluate in the future.
    We genuinely appreciate your opinion and the feedback you’ve given us. I’ll be sure to share your comments with the appropriate people.
    Regards,
    Justin H
    Groupon Customer Support

    From: Groupon Support
    To: Sargevining
    Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:40 AM
    Subject: Request #14639910: How would you rate the support you received?
    ## Reply above this line ## Hello Sargevining,
    You recently spoke with Justin with regards to your Groupon Support question. We’d love to hear what you think of our customer service.
    Please take a moment to let us know how Justin did handling your inquiry:
    How would you rate the support you received?
    Good, I’m satisfied
    Bad, I’m unsatisfied
    Below is a reminder of what your conversation was about.
    Thanks,
    Groupon Customer Service Quality Team

    The response did absolutely nothing to dim my desire to be removed from your service. In fact the sentence which begins “Please note that we have never sold guns” served to increase it. It is phrased in such a manner as to appeal to someone who thinks guns and related products are evil and to be feared simply because they take up space on the planet. The response actually prompted me to post it on my Facebook page with that comment and urging all of my freinds and relatives to delete thier accounts as well. The fact that Groupon did not see fit to honor my request not to contact me until your position changed is a further reflection of your lack of actually understanding my position.
    Please make “a final decision” instead of pussy footing around trying to please everybody. Take a stand one way or the other, be brave about it, then let us all know what it is. From my standpoint your decision should be based on the Liberty implications of the recent push to limit the Constitutionally guarateed right to bear arms and what your part in that might be, but if the financial pain of having millions of gun owners and gun rights activists pulling thier accounts is what it takes, that will be alright with me.
    Please–
    Either re-instate gun related products and services to Groupon and publicly announce that decision or delete my account. Do not contact me again unless you have re-instated those goods and services. Hope that re-instatement of your policy is enough to gain enough of my good will to continue using your service rather than my taking it as an indication of how you will treat gun owners in the future if given a chance.
    Thankyou.

  45. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Pension Tidal Wave Looms over Defense Budget

  46. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    No worries. We’ll just mint a few more $1T Ikea Monkey coins.

  47. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #44 – sadly no shock there Brother!
    And good LUCK for anyone trying to place any pension intended revenue beyond the greedy spenderiferous Congress’s grubby mitts!

  48. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Post in da bucky and I don’t know why

  49. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Comment has been freed!

  50. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oh, yes, a government where power is centralized is sooooo much better than what we have here…
    Parents are eating their children to survive.
    Does anyone remember the video where the Russian-born reporter talked to people at a socialism rally, and an older couple refused to believe there was a famine in N. Korea?

  51. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Okay, mharper, get your tickets early!!!

  52. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    My boss, a Canadian in Canada, just sent this to me. Interesting.

    Who was
    Thomas Jefferson ?
    This is amazing. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
    Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
    At 5, began studying under his cousin’s tutor.
    At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
    At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
    At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.
    At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
    At 23, started his own law practice.
    At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
    At 31, wrote the widely circulated “Summary View of the Rights of British America ? And retired from his law practice.
    At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
    At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .
    At 33, took three years to revise Virginia ‘s legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
    At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
    At 40, served in Congress for two years.
    At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
    At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
    At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
    At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
    At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
    At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.
    At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
    At 65, retired to Monticello .
    At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
    At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
    At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.
    Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
    John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”
    “When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    “To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
    If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

  53. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    52
    I have only been in Virginia once and though I was running up against a deadline to be in Manhattan, nothing could could have prevented me from stopping at Monticello.

  54. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Jefferson. We should’a cloned him. Except to raise someone like that in this time and age – can you imagine a liberal Jeffersonian mind? We’d never stand a chance.
    Of course, if he was THAT smart, he’d never be a liberal. Jefferson thought. Liberals feel.

  55. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #51 shannon
    Awesome!!!!
    Extreme!!!!11!!!!!1!!
    btw – what differentiates “extreme midget rasslin’” from “midget rasslin’”?
    Is there a “fabulous midget rasslin’” for those who enjoy midgets who bat for the other team?
    “Non-violent midget rasslin’” for the more enlightened spectator?
    “Light midget rasslin’” for those who enjoy a light-hearted romp into the world of midget rasslin’?
    “Sumo midget rasslin’” for those who enjoy smaller-scale Japanese culture?
    “Greco-Roman midget rasslin’” for the purists?

  56. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    via Ace.

    San Diego Chief of Police: We Can Disarm America “Within a Generation”As the goal is admitted, let us have no more discussion of these ridiculous diversions.
    The goal sought is disarmament, period. Accomplished bit by bit. But none of those bits are “reasonable” or “common sense” as they are admittedly simply elements of the intended goal, which is complete disarmament.
    If the goal isn’t worthy, then none of the steps towards it should be undertaken.

  57. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    A real chicken **** crime.

  58. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    55 wb
    I would attend a Sheila Jackson Lee lecture to avoid being exposed to midget wrestling. 🙂

  59. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    But it’s EXTREME!!!!

  60. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    The whole article from the chronical. This close to my neck of the woods.

    A burglar may have been wounded when a Magnolia woman fired a shot at one of three men who forced their way inside her home Friday.
    The home invasion happened about 9:30 p.m. in the 18700 block of Mink Lake Drive.
    The 33-year-old homeowner and her 6-year-old child were home alone at the time, according to the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office.
    update with more information
    http://main.montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/?p=60091
    The three men left the home, and the sheriff’s office is investigating.

  61. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Yep, ST said she may invite her over for target practice.
    I love ST!

  62. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #46 Hammy
    Thanks for the cute reminder of who Ikea Monkey is! I was afraid for just a second that the Iranians might have sent him up in a rocket.

  63. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Bill Cosby speaks directly about the problem and is not bound by PC:
    (kind of long but well worth it)

    Bill has done it again
    I love Bill!
    WOULD A FLY WITHOUT WINGS BE CALLED A WALK?
    Bill Has Done It Again!
    They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
    I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
    Why you ain’t,
    Where you is,
    What he drive,
    Where he stay,
    Where he work,
    Who you be…
    And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
    And then I heard the father talk.
    Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
    In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
    People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
    The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
    These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
    $500 sneakers for what?
    And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
    I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
    Where were you when he was 2?
    Where were you when he was 12?
    Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
    And where is the father? Or who is his father?
    People putting their clothes on backward:
    Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
    People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something?
    Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
    What part of Africa did this come from??
    We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa …….
    I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
    I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa … So stop, already! ! !
    With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ………. And all of them are in jail.
    Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
    We have got to take the neighborhood back.
    People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
    We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
    We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
    Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
    We have to start holding each other to a higher standard..
    We cannot blame the white people any longer.’
    Dr.. William Henry ‘Bill’ Cosby, Jr., Ed..D.
    WELL SAID, BILL
    It’s NOT about color… It’s about behavior!

  64. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #51 Shannon
    Thanks for the cute reminder of what Midget Rassling is! I was afraid for just a second that I might be going up in an Iranian rocket that weekend, but I see my schedule is clear, so I have purchased 2 adult ringside tickets. Yours will be in Will-Call. Ta ta and see you there!!

  65. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #58 Shannon
    Don’t forget we are booked to hear Sheila Jackson Lee’s lecture “Muss I Die?”, on inner city problems here in Houston, tomorrow night. Sorry Fay can’t make it.

  66. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    US Secret Service needs to find smarter dogs.

  67. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #66 Pyro: The incineration that follows this comment is pretty funny:

    Stacey Diehl evilhead • 6 hours ago −
    This is tragic but you show your ignorance by not knowing how much behind-the-scenes work Biden does to bring the two extremes to the table. He works his ass off and is deeply respected for it on both sides of the aisle. Hell, he’s one of only a handful TRYING to work with everyone and getting it done. His public persona is… interesting but he is no “sideshow freak.” He works hard and is a key player in all successful compromises. THAT is a fact.

    The next 20-30 responses reduced Stacey to ashes.

  68. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #60
    I blame lax border at the East/West Montgomery County line.

  69. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I just returned home from work and shopping (we go through so much milk in this house) ad I’m tuning in online to catch the replay of Senator Rubio’s interview with Hugh Hewitt. From what I’ve heard thus far, Senator Rubio’s support for immigration reform is precisely along the lines I support for immigration reform.

  70. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Well, Senator Rubio has most definitely got it right on immigration. Enforcement is a *must*. Path to permanent residency should follow based upon what illegals have done in this country. Republicans, as a party, *must* promote the pride and advantages home ownership (and ownership in general) upon immigrants.
    Let’s duct tape Senator McCain’s mouth and let Rubio do the talking.

  71. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Mark Levin: Obama isn’t destroying the Republican Party, the Republican establishment is destroying it

    http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-obama-isnt-destroying-the-republicans-party-the-republican-establishment-is-destroying-it/

  72. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Well, Senator Rubio has most definitely got it right on immigration. Enforcement is a *must*. Path to permanent residency should follow based upon what illegals have done in this country. Republicans, as a party, *must* promote the pride and advantages home ownership (and ownership in general) upon immigrants.

    What flavor of Republican Kool Aid is that?

  73. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    What flavor of Republican Kool Aid is that?

    Reason.

  74. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Lol, “would you like a sip of my soda?”
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/28/EXCLUSIVE-Journalist-Accosted-By-Security-Over-Mayor-Bloomberg-Gun-Control-Question

  75. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The Daily Caller and several other Conservative commentators (the ones the Republican Party says you shouldn’t listen to because its hurtful to the poor widdle party) have this to say about the Rubio Con

    If you read closely, you learn that illegal immigrants will actually be legalized immediately–given “probationary legal status,” allowing them to “live and work legally in thee United States” (according to Politico). The only thing that’s delayed, pending “stricter border enforcement,” is the opening of a “path to citizenship.” As if, once legalized, the 11 million are going to be unlegalized if enforcement measures are implemented with less than 100% efficacy.
    The penalty for failing to meet the enforcement “trigger,” in other words, is both insufficient and fake.

    Democrats are letting thier supporters in on the con so that they will keep thier mouths shut.

    [I]f this “commission” doesn’t ever decide the border is secure, couldn’t that result in 11 million people being stranded in second-class legal limbo?
    That’s a legitimate worry, according to Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice, a group advocating for immigration reform. But he tells me that on a conference call yesterday, Democratic Senators reassured immigration advocates that this commission won’t be constructed in a way that will hold up the process for too long.
    As Sharry put it, Democrats realize that they can’t “allow the commission to have a real veto” over setting in motion the path to citizenship. He noted that Dems see the commission as “something that gives the Republicans a talking point” to claim they are prioritizing tough enforcement, giving themselves cover to back a process that “won’t stop people from getting citizenship.” However, Sharry added: “The details of this are going to matter hugely, and we’ll have to fight like hell on the individual provisions.”
    That said, Sharry concluded: “This is a left of center framework.”

    And per Ace

    Ross Douthat observed on Twitter that the GOP is rushing heedlessly to increase the vote share of Latinos, without doing anything else to actually attract them as voters.
    And, in fact, as a party we can’t do anything to attract the majority of them as voters — they’re pro-government, pro-welfare-state, and all the rest.
    They’re also increasingly pro-choice and liberal on social matters.
    So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what’s Step 2 of our master plan?

  76. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Marco Rubio most defintely has a Cuban / Caribbean accent in Spanish. (@3 minute mark)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhvynwoskm8

  77. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    73 Darren says:
    January 28, 2013 at 8:48 pm
    What flavor of Republican Kool Aid is that?

    Reason.

    Yah.
    Reason to start a third party.

  78. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Know what the biggest problem with the republican Party is these days?
    They think everybody is like Darren. willing to parrot the lines they’ve been given, or have somebody else do it, thinking that they will actually convince thier base to vote against their own principals the way elected Republicans do.

  79. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #75 Sarge

    And, in fact, as a party we can’t do anything to attract the majority of them as voters — they’re pro-government, pro-welfare-state, and all the rest.

    Yeah, I’m with Ace. The US dawdled for 30+ years, let all these illegals get comfortable and develop a craving for the handouts. It’s probably too late now to get illegals turned around and remolded into good conservatives. All the crap about how they really are good conservatives due to habits & lifestyle is just that, crap.

  80. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    And, in fact, as a party we can’t do anything to attract the majority of them as voters — they’re pro-government, pro-welfare-state, and all the rest.

    That’s because the ones here illegally are underclassed people. Of course they want the goodies. And that’s a *huge* reason to secure the border and inplament immigration reform. Overall Republicans and conserfvatives do an utmost lousy job arguing their side to immigrants. Truth be told, immigrants, many of them, don’t even expect government aid until they are taught they can do so by others. This is in large parts due to judicial activism which has eroded distinction between immigrant and citizen as well as the natual attaction for poor people to get “free” help.

    They’re also increasingly pro-choice and liberal on social matters.

    Not the adult Latino immigrants but the kids who grow up on government assistance.

    So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what’s Step 2 of our master plan?

    Granting citizenship to illegals is hardly step one in the “master plan” according to what Rubio wants. Rubio wants border security first and that is to be a verifiable system according to the attorney generals of the border states. Unlike George W.’s position where he would, and acording to, as I recall, Rep. Duncan Hunter and Ted Poe, did declare that the borders are secure, this declaration is local based where the people have a much more potent voice in the matter, particularly the ranchers who ranch along the border.

  81. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Army training exercise happening on Houston’s south side

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8971311

  82. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    It doesn’t matter. We’ve passed the event horizon already. Throwing in 11 million illegal immigrants will just push us towards critical mass quicker. Let’s get it over with already.

  83. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Reason to start a third party.

    It’s be the Sargent Frog Party.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkGF-PnjvhI
    Go for it.

  84. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    As conservatives, we need conservative representatives, who campaign as conservatives, can articulate the philosophy, and don’t wimp out or cater to any group. If hispanics want to vote conservative, based on a non-pandering campaign, welcome aboard & more power to them. If they don’t, to hell with them.

  85. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge, mharper, hamous;
    Secure the border first, decide who stays and who goes after that is exactly the direction to go.

  86. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    That’s because the ones here illegally are underclassed people.

    Criminy.
    They’re even using the Democrat Language now.

  87. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Granting citizenship to illegals is hardly step one in the “master plan” according to what Rubio wants. Rubio wants border security first and that is to be a verifiable system according to the attorney generals of the border states. Unlike George W.’s position where he would, and acording to, as I recall, Rep. Duncan Hunter and Ted Poe, did declare that the borders are secure, this declaration is local based where the people have a much more potent voice in the matter, particularly the ranchers who ranch along the border.

    No, he freaking doesn’t.
    If he did, he would suggest it, but the agreement he’s pushing does nothing of the kind.
    Its a con job and they’ve sent out thier little lackeys and lap dogs like you to tell us that we’re all just a bunch of ignent peasants who just don’t understand, and besides, its good for the party and what’s good for the Party is bad for Democrats, right?
    Blow it out your colon.

  88. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    They’re even using the Democrat Language now.

    I don’t know too many upper classed illegal immigrants.

  89. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    And i don’t know many conservatives who use class warfare Newspeak.
    Know why they’ve got Rubio pushing this?
    Because he’s got “Tea Party Credentials”
    Know what’s gonna happen because of it?
    He won’t be the nomninee in 2016.

  90. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    No he freaking doesn’t.
    If he did, it would suggest it, but the agreement he’s pushing does nothing of the kind.

    Such as…

    Blow it out your colon.

    Thanks for you offer. I’ll provide the gloves for you.
    http://medihealth-intertrade.comxa.com/web_images/latex_gloves_3.jpg
    Oh, and please oh please don’t hold back on the lubricant. 😯

  91. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Alright, let’s take it down a notch.

  92. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    And i don’t know many conservatives who use class warfare Newspeak.

    Huh? I offered no sympathy towards the illegals due to their underclass status. I know whom I’m talking about as I’m involved with them and their kids everyday. And, yes, they need to work hard and get ahead. the fact of the matter is that underclass immigrants favor government entirely differently than the upper class. It’s simply a matter of fact in my world. If you don’t think I’m being conservative, that’s OK with me but I propose that you favor nothing that will help solve the immigration problem. Well nothing that’ll happen. My ideal would be to militarize the border, shoot at any perceived threat, deny full constitutional protection upon anyone here illegally, and deport in the most uncomfortable way illegals caught. Which of these is going to happen, Sarge?

    Know why they’ve got Rubio pushing this?
    Because he’s got “Tea Party Credentials”

    I’m lost. Who’s “they”?

    Know what’s gonna happen because of it?
    He won’t be the nomninee in 2016.

    Bad mistake for the Tea Party to oppose Rubio on his immigration position.

  93. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Lets just get to the part where you tell us its going to happen anyway, so we might as well go along with it. That’s the next step in the Republican Waltz.
    And somebody please tell Marco Rubio that we made him, and we can unmake him just as fast.
    Lots of people out there aren’t Charlie Crist and that’s all he really had going for him anyway,

  94. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Alright, let’s take it down a notch.

    That’s fine but, ummmmm, were you going to say this after #87 all buy itself? And what about Satan’s butt darts? Should I explain that to my kids if they read this? If butt references are avoided, I’ll gladly avoid elaboration on Butt procedures.
    btw, since I really don’t want this question to sound contentious, I’ll consider this bad timing on my part.

    It doesn’t matter. We’ve passed the event horizon already. Throwing in 11 million illegal immigrants will just push us towards critical mass quicker. Let’s get it over with already.

    What did you base that comment on? Anything from Rubio?

  95. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Lets just get to the part where you tell us its going to happen anyway, so we might as well go along with it. That’s the next step in the Republican Waltz.

    Huh? Hamous said that (apparently) in opposition to Rubio’s position and (again, apparently) in favor of yours. I didn’t say any such thing, nor did i even think to.

    And somebody please tell Marco Rubio that we made him, and we can unmake him just as fast.

    Huh? Who’s “we”. Rubio faced great opposition and stuck to what he believed. Whomever “we” (the Tea party?) is then decided to support him based upon his positions. I’ll reiterate, it will be a bad mistake for the Tea Party to oppose Rubio on immigration, especially at this point. Most definitely there may be reason to oppose him according to what transpires but certainly on nothing he’s proposed thus far.

  96. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Rubio on Levin:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U98HzM8B3Ks
    I take no position strictly based on this interview until others remark on it.

  97. phil Avatar
    phil

    Just substitute We Are for I’ve Got because as a country that’s where we is thanks to our modern day Roman Emperors of the last 40 years.

  98. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Even Krauthammer, who’s always been in favor of a “path to citizenship”, sees through the ruse:

  99. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Huh? Who’s “we”.

    The people you needed to get Romney elected.

  100. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    What did you base that comment on? Anything from Rubio?

    We passed the point of no return long before Rubio came into the picture. I started recognizing the signs when Bronco, a community organizer with decades-old deep racist and communist ties, was elected in 2008. It’s all over but the cryin’ now.

  101. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’ll reiterate, it will be a bad mistake for the Tea Party to oppose Rubio on immigration, especially at this point.

    Yah.
    A cheese eating surrender monkey telling the Tea Party it would be a bad idea not to be cheese eating surrender monkies.
    Rubio is toast.
    The Republicans just blew thier best chance of winning the Presidency in 2016.

  102. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I posted this from national Review Online a while ago and I’ll repost the story now via Real Clear Politics. I agreed with Krauthammer then but now I wonder if “they” have control over him too:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/11/krauthammer_explains_amnesty_with_border_control_position.html

  103. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Know what’s a bad idea?
    Being a back stabbing buddy humper to the Tea Party.

  104. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #100;

    We passed the point of no return long before Rubio came into the picture. I started recognizing the signs when Bronco, a community organizer with decades-old deep racist and communist ties, was elected in 2008. It’s all over but the cryin’ now.

    I understood your position regarding the point of no return. That is indeed what you’ve been posting after the last presidential election. You first let out, rightfully so on “bobo’ and you’ve stuck to it since. I don’t see that as relevant to my posts so if I can put that aspect aside, is there anything Rubio’s proposed that you disagree with?
    I also do not see my posts as “crying” though I cannot say the same from certain opposition I’m getting.

  105. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    buddy humper

    I thought we were to take things down a notch, Sarge.

  106. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    102 Darren says:
    January 28, 2013 at 10:16 pm
    I posted this from national Review Online a while ago and I’ll repost the story now via Real Clear Politics. I agreed with Krauthammer then but now I wonder if “they” have control over him too:

    We’re familiar with Krauthammer’s position.
    But as Hamous said:

    98 Hamous says:
    January 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Even Krauthammer, who’s always been in favor of a “path to citizenship”, sees through the ruse:

    All you’re doing now is confirming what we’ve already said, and which you have denied:
    This is Amnesty with a path to citizenship and a bandaid on the border.

  107. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge;

    Being a back stabbing buddy humper to the Tea Party.

    Again, Sarge, it’ll be a big, BIG mistake of behalf of the Tea Party to oppose Rubio on his positions.
    Heh ,at least Rubio has a position on immigration.

  108. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Again, Sarge, it’ll be a big, BIG mistake of behalf of the Tea Party to oppose Rubio on his positions.

    You misunderstand the entire process.
    It is the politicians who make big mistakes by turning on thier base, not the other way around.
    But, you’re a Republican, so I understand how you can make the mistake.

  109. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge;
    yes, that’s in the bill but not what Rubio proposes. If he sticks to the bill without ensuring enforcement first, than all your opposition would be validated. Simply put, granting the right to stay here legally without *first* enforcing the border is NOT what Rubio supports. he has stated he will oppose any such procedure.

    Update: Watch the first 20 mins of the show. Rubio is adamant that he will not support a bill that doesn’t guarantee that border and visa enforcement takes place before normalization.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/28/the-ed-morrissey-show-senator-marco-rubio-kevin-mccullough/

  110. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    You misunderstand the entire process.
    It is the politicians who make big mistakes by turning on thier base, not the other way around.

    *Rubio’s* positions are conservative. That doesn’t necessarily apply to Republicans.

  111. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See, here’s how its suppose to work in a Democracy, Darren:
    The People tell the polticians when they make mistakes.
    The republicans just blew their best chance at winning the White House in 2016. Now, you can blame that on something the Tea Party did, or you can blame that on something the Republican Party did. Its your choice.
    But don’t tell us we’ve made a mistake by using the only tools at our disposal to change the things the Republicans will not.

  112. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    See, herfe’s how its suppose to work in a Democracy, Darren:

    I thought we lived in a Republic where the elected officials do NOT have to do as their constiuents say but, you are correct, at some point they will need to return and ask for the people’s votes.

    Now, you can blame that on something the Tea Party did, or you can blame that on something the Republican Party did. Its your choice.

    I blame Al Gore.

  113. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I don’t see that as relevant to my posts so if I can put that aspect aside, is there anything Rubio’s proposed that you disagree with?

    Rubio is merely an ancillary character at this point. He could be the second coming of Ronald Wilson Reagan and it wouldn’t stop the tidal wave.

    *Rubio’s* positions are conservative.

    Yeah, like Huntsman.

  114. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Just to note, have I ever expressed support to the proposed bill or only for what Rubio proposes?
    Maybe “they” control me too. 😯

  115. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    *Rubio’s* positions are conservative. That doesn’t necessarily apply to Republicans.

    Which part of Amnesty with a path to citizenship are you having a hard time understanding?
    Rubio just stabbed them what brung him to the dance in the back. There’s a price to pay for that.
    He can stay Senator, but he’ll never be President. He’s lost too many Tea Partiers today and there’s too many Establishment types that didn’t like him being there in the first place. In fact, this may have been a way to get him out of the racer early enough so the Establishment can toss us another “Most Electable” candidate at us.

  116. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Yeah, like Huntsman.

    Who ever said Huntsman’s positions were conservative?
    What parts aren’t conservative? What would Hamous’ more conservative positions be?

  117. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Blow that “Conspiracy Nut” trope out your colon too. Its old, tired, and shopworn and all it does is further insult the people you need.
    It IS the Stupid Party, isn’t it?

  118. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Which part of Amnesty with a path to citizenship are you having a hard time understanding?

    I agree with amnesty until citizenship. I’ve mentioned it for a few years now. My position is that we as a nation are part of the culpability for illegal immigration thus we need to offer a path to citizenship. Or do you propose to round up illegals because they are illegal to begin with?

    Rubio just stabbed them what brung him to the dance in the back. There’s a price to pay for that.

    Than start making your anti-Rubio signs. He’s been there before from strict enforcement people, long before the Tea Party exited. In fact, that’s what got me initially curious about Rubio.

    He can stay Senator, but he’ll never be President. He’s lost too many Tea Partiers today and there’s too many Establishment types that didn’t like him being there in the first place.

    Who did he loose today. And wasn’t the tea Party support for Rubio absolutely crucial to his senatorial victory?

    In fact, this may have been a way to get him out of the racer early enough so the Establishment can toss us another “Most Electable” candidate at us.

    OK. I’m willing to see how that plays out. Perhaps you’ll prove right. Kings to you if you do.

  119. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Blow that “Conspiracy Nut” trope out your colon too.

    Sigh…So much for taking things down a notch.

  120. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Who ever said Huntsman’s positions were conservative?

    UPDATE: I should have asked, “who ever said Huntsman was a conservative?” He absolutely *did* have conservative positions as governor and as a candidate. But I do not recall anyone here who has said that he was a conservative nor any liberal position he took was a conservative position.

  121. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Who did he loose today. And wasn’t the tea Party support for Rubio absolutely crucial to his senatorial victory?

    Yah.
    But he forgot that. Now he thinks the Party will back him enough and that along with the power of incumbency will likley keep him Senator for a long time.
    But he’ll never be President.

    He’s been there before from strict enforcement people, long before the Tea Party exited.

    That sentence makes as much sense as

    amnesty until citizenship

  122. phil Avatar
    phil

    Anytime the liars in DC start talking tough about securing the border it always reminds me of this.
    Especially when it’s sad sack McCain and light in the loafers Lindsey.

  123. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Rubio is merely an ancillary character at this point. He could be the second coming of Ronald Wilson Reagan and it wouldn’t stop the tidal wave.

    But he is the focal point of my posts; not the proposed bill. What do you find not conservative about him regarding immigration? I’m truly open to opposing them.

  124. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What parts aren’t conservative? What would Hamous’ more conservative positions be?

    There you go again.
    This is the part where we, as voters, tell the Politicians that they’ve made a mistake and they need to fix it—by doing what we’ve already told them over and over and over and over and over again what the frik it is we want.
    That criticism is that the one politician with enough stroke with the Tea Party to get us to go along with something took the wrong path, and went too far down that path for us to ever follow him anywhere again.

  125. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Anytime the liars in DC start talking tough about securing the border it always reminds me of this.

    If only Yosemite Sam would guard the border. He’d do a great job keeping the illegals out until the illegal bunny rabbits start crossing.
    LoL on the bleeps. 🙂

  126. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But he is the focal point of my posts; not the proposed bill. What do you find not conservative about him regarding immigration? I’m truly open to opposing them.

    You just don’t get what Hamous is saying, do you?
    He’s saying that the Titanic hit the iceberg about an hour ago and all Rubio is doing is leading the band in playing Nearer My Heart To Thee.
    He’s saying that Rubio, the bill, your position, the Republican freaking Party is lost beyond all repair and we might as well just lay back and watch the waves lap over the railing.

  127. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Paul Ryan sux. Romney should have picked John Huntsman as VP. — Darren 08/12/2012

  128. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    There you go again.

    Oh mis gatos, I asked for Hamous’ position. 😯 What the h*ll was I thinking. Say, don’t conservatives support an open dialogue and liberals berate those who ask questions of inquiry? Then again, *you*, Sarge, are totally and completely free from “them”. You’re a Tea partier who’ll strip naked and run free in this great “democracy” we have. Oh, yes, to be free from those diabolical system controllers. Yes, Sarge, I want to free from “them”. I want to join the “we”. Rubio is toast going against the “we”. Maybe the “we” can focus on Rubio’s colon and other anal parts as well? Seems like their fetish. (And, boy, what a fetish it is).

    This is the part where we, as voters, tell the Politicians that they’ve made a mistake and they need to fix it—by doing what we’ve already told them over and over and over and over and over again what the frik it is we want.

    Fine, you made it clear what the proposed bill needs to improve and by the content of my posts I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU but what would you say to *Marco Rubio*? How can *his* positions be more conservative? In fact let’s set the parameters ofconservative border enforcement from enforce the border only and mass deportation to a full nuclear strike against Mexicans and all illegals. Better yet, let’s strike the latter and replace it with “them”. Let’s get “them” to control the illegals to leave on their own accord.

    That criticism is that the one politician with enough stroke with the Tea Party to get us to go along with something took the wrong path, and went too far down that path for us to ever follow him anywhere again.

    So what should the Tea Party tell Marco Rubio regarding his *own* positions? I’ve already proposed that Rubio should not continue to support the proposed bill unless it does as he said it should and enforce the borders first. No guarantees to that but that must be the language.
    /People in “democracies’ get to ask questions and “democracies” are supposed to be based on dialogue, eh, uh, wait, these are characteristics of a”republic”. “Democracies” are based upon who can scream the loudest and subdue their opposition. You do live in a democracy, Sarge.

  129. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Oh mis gatos, I asked for Hamous’ position. What the h*ll was I thinking. Say, don’t conservatives support an open dialogue and liberals berate those who ask questions of inquiry

    More Democrat Languange.
    Now.
    WE DON’T WANT ANY FREAKING DIALOGUE. WE WANT YOU TO DO WHAT THE FRIK IT WAS WE ELECTED YOU TO DO AND GRANTING FREAKING “AMNESTY UNTIL CITIZENSHIP” WASN’T ON THE FREAKING LIST.

  130. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Fine, you made it clear what the proposed bill needs to improve and by the content of my posts I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU but what would you say to *Marco Rubio*? How can *his* positions be more conservative?

    Ummmmm—–
    Doing what he said he would do when he accepted our support?
    It ain’t rocket surgery.
    We don’t need to explain ourselves. We’ve already said what we wanted. We want Republicans to be the people they say they are.
    There’s no “How can they be more conservative?” in that equation. This is not a negotiation.
    Any Republican who has to ask “How can I be more Conservative?” is either:
    A. Never was a Conservative
    B. Doesn’t pay attention
    C. Doesn’t know what being a Conservative is.
    The very fact that they ask this question is enough evidence that what is required is a Conservative Party populated by candidates who don’t. have. to. freaking. ask.

  131. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    More Democrat Languange.

    LoL. Conservatives don’t ask for other’s positions. They just take the ridicule and proceed on what they know is true and correct. What knew!!!??? 😯
    But, then again, isn’t that one of the things that’s terribly wrong with the Republican party? That they don’t counter argue enough but that Newt Guy, man, he was soooooooo good at counter arguing 9and he truly is) that some people made that a top tierd reason t orun out and support him for president. It totally sux for Tea Partiers that he lost his mojo. He was such a great hope to usher in conservatism. 🙁

    WE DON’T WANT ANY FREAKING DIALOGUE. WE WANT YOU TO DO WHAT THE FRIK IT WAS WE ELECTED YOU TO DO AND GRANTING FREAKING “AMNESTY UNTIL CITIZENSHIP” WASN’T ON THE FREAKING LIST.

    Freak, freakin, freak, frek freak, freakin, freak, frickin, freak freak.
    You got me Sarge. You used your superior democratic skills to out do me. Take no position on how to actually work to solve the immigration problem. don’t talk to your fellow citizen about any of your idea, if you have any to begin with (and I know you do, cutie), just insist that elected official do what they are elected to do which is to do the will of the Tea Party.
    By the way, why did the Tea Party support Rubio if his positions on immigration are virtually the same now as when he was Florida’s House majority leader? Weird. But, no need to respond with bonafide conservative words like freak, freakin, freaking, freakification, freakoutly, freaksome and you’ll come out clear as a bell as to why Marco Rubio’s positions on immigration are terribly liberal and he should be toast (part of a traditional Cuban breakfast I’d guess).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mX0gVzAOs0
    Also:
    We are we
    We are we
    We are we
    The new Tea Party Sarge slogan. (Did Freakazoid say “I”… [gulping in fear])

  132. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We don’t need to explain ourselves. We’ve already said what we wanted. We want Republicans to be the people they say they are.

    But didn’t they (dang, now this is confusing, it should be “we” but since i’m referring ot another group in hird person I must say “them” but ‘they” are the badguys and “we” are the good guys so if I say “them” it’s referring the right people grammatically but but morally. If I say “we” i’m including myself into something I’m obviously not part of for I am controlled by “they” or “them”…if only I can get specifics) support Rubio despite on his immigration position while in the Florida House?

    As a state lawmaker, Rubio co-sponsored legislation in 2003 and 2004 that would have allowed the children of undocumented workers to pay in-state tuition at Florida universities. The bill, which never passed, was modeled after a 2001 Texas law signed by Gov. Rick Perry.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/rubio-takes-tougher-line-on-immigration-20111005
    So why are “they’, er, uh, “we’, oh, I got it, “the we” gonna be shocked now that he’s taking a more conservative position on immigration?

    Sitting on top of the Republican party’s wish list for vice president, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio on Tuesday stepped into an issue roiling the 2012 primary, retreating from his past support for tuition breaks for the children of illegal immigrants.
    (snip)
    In an interview at the Washington Ideas Forum, Rubio distanced himself from the Florida bill and by extension, from the issue that has at partly cost Perry his lead in the highly volatile Republican presidential primary.

    I think “the we” is confused. But no matter, just freak them into reality and make Rubio vote the was ‘the we” wants, despite “the we” not being consistant. Sarge says Rubio will be toast and so it is written and so it shall be. Obviously Sarge isn’t confused, just me who is part of “the them” and “the we” who are part of “we”.

  133. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Darren.
    Go ask Bob Price how this conversation worked out for him last week.
    He lost that argument too—you’re just making the same statements and questions including, and especially
    “How can we be more consrvative if you don’t tell us?”
    All of the lackies, lap dogs, and toadies are asking the same question in fora where Tea Partiers are found.
    Inevitably, the Republican will end up, as you have, insulting us. Insinuating that we’re stupid, rife with Conspriacy Theory paranoia and just being illogically intractible.
    They then say; “Well its going to happen anyway, so you might as well make the best of it.”
    And they end with
    “Shut UP. That’s why.”
    Its nice to know you’re carrying on the tradition.
    But its not going to work.

  134. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Any Republican who has to ask “How can I be more Conservative?” is either:
    A. Never was a Conservative
    B. Doesn’t pay attention
    C. Doesn’t know what being a Conservative is.

    Well, freaking freak freaky freak frikin freak. You got me there, Sarge. I’m toast. And what is your mmore conservative position on immigration? Wait, don’t answer, conservatism is wasted talent as you show Sarge. get called out and don’t respond. That way you’ll be conservative cuz you say “freak” and nothing else matters. It’s a democracy damn it and we need to shout freak to do the right thing.
    By the way, did you know Marco Rubio is Mormon? Not a active Mormon and that’s his choice but I consider him my LDS brother. Oooooooo, it’s all making sense now, ain’t it? I’m not a conservative becaue I ask questions to debate (liberals love to debate and tolerate all of debate in all its forms), I must be controlled by “the they”, and Marco Rubio is Mormon.
    This is scary caca. 😯

  135. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Thanks, Darren, for confirming everything I said in my #133.

  136. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The Republican Party’s job is not to convince us that what they want to do is right and we are wrong.
    Its job is not to ask us how they can be like what they said they were when we voted for them.
    Their job is to do what they said they would do, be who they said they were, and not ask any questions.
    But that’s not what is happening here. The talking points memos have gone out to the usual suspects who have sent their drones out to try and convince the people that voted for them that they really didn’t wnat what they wanted when they did.
    The Republican Party does not want to represent the people that vote for them. They want to convince them to do something different.
    That’s why its time to burn the whole frikkin thing down.

  137. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Go ask Bob Price how this conversation worked out for him last week.

    Wait, let me get my handy dandy note book with a ridicuylaously large blue pencil. Be right back…
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    Where can I find Bob Price? Any direct phone line? And why do I need to ask Bob Price about his conservatism when all i need to do is say feak freakin freak and win the debate? after getting all the cognates of freak out, all I have to do is sit back and insist that Marco Rubio votes my way which way *must be* part of “the we”. I’ll get otthe freak out part soon after renouncing my “the them” allegiance and sever their soul control. (I tell you I’m so on my way to Hades).
    I’m lackie, now? Oh, yeah, no problem, “freak”. There, I’m safe.
    I’m a lap dog? Hold on, I know just what to say, “freakilify” (with a bark).
    I’m a toadie? Well, that’s a tough one to over come, I’ll need a special spell fr this situation (get it, “spell”, like a witch and “toad”, hehehehe). Here we go, “croakfreakin, croakfruktum, let it out of my colon”. [POOF!!!]. Whoohoo, free at last, I’m now more part of “the they” but not entirely. I gotta use more freak words.

    Inevitably, the Republican will end up, as you have, insulting us.

    Now I’m insulting. maybe it is I who needs to take things down a notch and say freak and refer to Sarge’s colon or maybe the anus itself. But that’s creepy.
    Sarge, all I wanted from you is a proposition instead you, quite literally, freaked out and refused to do so and renounced my conservatism because I aksed for a proposition from you. I’ve no idea what logic that follows nor what type of reality that is associated with but perhaps you or others here can clarify to me how asking for those who critique my posts to declare a position in order to dialogue as per their choice, nobody has to dialogue and I’m fine if they don’t, makes my conservatism suspect. Since my posts I’ve read from you that I’m not to be considered a conservative; I insult, (which I indeed have and have had a lot of fun in doing it but it has *nothing* to do with your political positions only your retort to my posts), I’m a toadie, lap dog, and lackie to Republicans, etc. I’ve proposed no support for Republicans this entire debate. You’ve only imposed that support on your own will. I focused exclusively on Marco Rubio’s position on immigration reform and you keep expressing like that’s a foul thing without a single reason why.
    You have said that Marco Rubio should vote according to what you and the supposed Tea Part position is on immigration but what does that mean? Border enforcement only? No amnesty (which you implied)? Get rid of all the illegals? What you’ve explicitly avoided saying anything that defines the conservative position and how Marco Rubio should align with it. I’m not the one using my colon to post in this dialogue. (Hey, by the way, why are you even dialoguing when you don’t believe in dialoguing..weird)

    Insinuating that we’re stupid, rife with Conspriacy Theory paranoia and just being illogically intractible.

    Ummm, there I’ll let your posts speak for temselves. I’ll also defer all to your posts as well as mine for others to judge who began the insults.

    They then say; “Well its going to happen anyway, so you might as well make the best of it.”

    Who is “then”? Nobody here said that. I think Marco Rubio’s got the *correct* way to go about immigration reform but that may be simply because I am a lap dog for Rubio. (That didn’t insult you, did it?)

    “Shut UP. That’s why.”

    Well said, like this?

    WE DON’T WANT ANY FREAKING DIALOGUE. WE WANT YOU TO DO WHAT THE FRIK IT WAS WE ELECTED YOU TO DO AND GRANTING FREAKING “AMNESTY UNTIL CITIZENSHIP” WASN’T ON THE FREAKING LIST.

    Gotta love that democracy. (That’s no insulting either, is it?)

    Its nice to know you’re carrying on the tradition.

    Of who? Telling people to shut up? That it’s my way or no way? Here’s an example of that:

    WE DON’T WANT ANY FREAKING DIALOGUE. WE WANT YOU TO DO WHAT THE FRIK IT WAS WE ELECTED YOU TO DO AND GRANTING FREAKING “AMNESTY UNTIL CITIZENSHIP” WASN’T ON THE FREAKING LIST.

    And I didn’t write that, I promise. Somebody else did. Obviously a member of “the they”, or is it? 😯

  138. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Thanks, Darren, for confirming everything I said in my #133.

    Arrrrggggghhh, foiled again!!!

  139. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    The Republican Party’s job is not to convince us that what they want to do is right and we are wrong.

    Who’s talking about the Republican Party besides you, Sarge? If you supported Marco Rubio with his liberal positions on immigration in the past, than why are you attacking him now with a more conservative position and trying to show he’s nothing but a lap dog for the Republican Party? My concern is, and has been, Marco Rubio’s positions, not the republican Party’s position wihch, again, I agree is NOT in agreement with my thinking. But Rubio’s is. Should I tell you to blow it out of your colon and thus, according to your logic, be above cinsulting you? Nope, won’t do it. Just focus on Rubio as we are not in disagreement over the Republican Party’s position on immigration.

    That’s why its time to burn the whole frikkin thing down.

    Impeccable argument there. Can’t argue with that since you said “frikkin”.

  140. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Gotta go. I need my rest in order to teach children of some illegal aliens and perhaps even speak live with an illegal immigrant parent ot two?

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