Friday Matrimony Open Comments

In preparing for my last class, which had “Sacraments and Sacramentals” as the topic, I used this article. It’s a humorous article about marriage vs. matrimony, discussing today’s “normal” cycle of relationships and the ultimate outcome. Sadly, it’s funny because so much of it is true. It starts out with a request from a bride-to-be about how long the aisle is at the priest’s church. He muses about why she wants to know this:

I am often asked that question, and never quite understand it. Are brides curious about the length of the aisle because they think a longer aisle may give them a few more minutes to back out of the whole thing? Or, as I suspect, does a long aisle prolong the glorious promenade of which a young girl dreams as she thumbs through bridal magazine as she contemplates her special day, when all eyes focus on her as she approaches her enchanted prince and all the world thinks she’s gorgeous and knows that she has bagged her man just as surely as a Wisconsin bricklayer bags a deer and ties it onto the roof of his pick up truck? I have certainly seen a few grooms who look like a frightened deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming truck.

This sets the tone for the rest of the discussion about the typical flow of today’s relationships:

A young man and a young woman meet and have a few dates. They go for a weekend at a bed and breakfast where they bed one another, and then have breakfast. If he isn’t too much of a jerk and she isn’t too picky, they are then an item. She goes to the doctor gets a prescription and goes on to a more permanent form of birth control… After a while, if things hold up, they begin to have the conversation about taking their relationship to the “next level” by which they mean shacking up, as we used to call it. Now, I think it’s called moving in together.

Mom and Dad buy housewarming gifts in an attempt to, once again, be supportive. They don’t want their little dears to hate them and besides, it’s what everyone is doing these days, so it can’t be wrong. They have vague thoughts about getting married at that point… At this stage an engagement ring may appear. At some point, when they think about getting the house and the kids, because that’s what you do, they decide to have the wedding. They rent the hall and then go see the priest. He tells them there are four other weddings that day and they respond, “but we’ve rented the hall already.”

Ah, yes. By all means, base your wedding date on the reception hall rental. I point out the obvious issues with renting the hall before arranging the wedding.

Someone suggests a garden wedding if the church is occupied. The priest says we can’t do garden weddings. (More on this later.) The young couple begins to complain about how narrow minded the Church is with all these rules and regulations. They eventually pick a date. Then the bottom drops out.
It seems the groom is not Catholic. He was baptized in the First Reformed Church of the Druids, though he never practiced. This means there must be a dispensation for the marriage,another irritating Catholic invention, and the wedding date cannot be confirmed until the dispensation is received. The bride goes back to her doctor, this time for a prescription for valium. Her mother joins her on this visit. Finally the dispensation is granted, The groom’s druid will do one of the readings at the wedding, the loans are taken out, the banns are published. Then there is the rehearsal and rehearsal dinner. The best man comes to the rehearsal drunk out of his mind, the groom only slightly tipsy. The bride is furious at everyone for some reason known to her alone. Probably because the groom is far more interested in drinking and watching the football game on his hand held computer thing than he is in gazing lovingly into her eyes in anticipation of the great day. In fact they haven’t been, well… friendly in weeks. It is, after all, football season.
The special day comes, the best man is still drunk, the groom is hung over, no one knew about that interesting tattoo that the maid of honor had way low on her back, now revealed by the plunging back of her dress that is held up only by wishful thinking. Grandma, upon reading the logo of the maid of honor’s tattoo, has fainted.
Somewhere in all this the vows are exchanged, and quite a few of the wedding party receive their first Holy Communion that day, however one of the ushers puts the host in his suit pocket not having a clue what it is. (This actually has happened to me twice.) The pictures have been taken. The noise level in the church reaches that of an English soccer match after the riot has broken out… On to the reception.
The bride loses it because the shade of fuchsia in the floral center pieces clashes with the shade of fuchsia in the wedding party’s outfit. The groom adjourns to the bar where the game is on the television. The wedding dinner is served as music is played at a mind numbing volume. Grandma is better now. She has turned off her hearing aid…
… The bar opens up again.The music reaches levels that cause blood to drip from some peoples’ nose and ears. The joyous event ends with the bride and groom being the last to leave the hall. They are slow to go up to the room they have rented in the hotel because nothing new or beautiful awaits them there. The groom promptly falls asleep, being heavily sedated already, and, as he snores away, with his shoes still on, our blushing bride, having shed her dress of virginal white, thinks back on this day, her special day, the most important day in her life, the day she has dreamt of since she was a little girl.
They will stay an extra day at the hotel, but cannot afford the time or money to go on a honeymoon because on Monday they will both be back at work in order to pay off the colossal bill that their special day has incurred. For some reason, the bride is depressed. Perhaps she is realizing that the high point of her life is now past and the rest of it will be spent with the lump that is now snoring beside her with whom she has never really had a serious conversation, except about the proper shade of fuchsia for the floral centerpieces. So it is that we celebrate the marriage of Christ and His Church in these enlightened and tolerant times.

This certainly sparks a few comments after it’s read. We talk about the shallowness of the relationship, which is embraced instead of the deeper relationship that comes from waiting on the physical relationship until after a more complete emotional relationship is developed (preferably after marriage!).
Oh, and the name of the church? I smile every time I read the closing:

And I haven’t a clue how long the aisle is here at St. Dymphna’s.

The point of the whole article is put very clearly in all caps.

PLEASE SPEND MORE TIME AND MONEY PREPARING FOR THE MARRIAGE THAN YOU DO PREPARING FOR THE WEDDING.

’nuff said.


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  1. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Bridezillas, so thankful I did not have a girl. Pretty sure either she or my wife wouldn’t have survived it anyway. The first whatever and it’d have been over.

  2. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Granddaughter is different, we can teach her to say whatever. 😀

  3. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    /looks under couch

  4. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    GOP establishment meeting room.
    Hi guys!

  5. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    To understand the growing divide between rank-and-file Republicans and the party’s leadership in DC, look no further than the temper tantrum published this week in The Hill. The author, John Feehery is a GOP power-broker who was a long-time top aid to former GOP Speaker Dennis Hastert.

    That. That right there. In bold. THAT is the problem. Don’t tell me that its the fault of the electorate when there are guys like this at the top of the Republican Party

    Feehery is very upset that 12 members of the GOP caucus had the temerity to not support John Boehner’s reelection as Speaker. He says it is “time for a purge.”

    How is does he think the Republican Party ought to express its outrageoulsy outrageous outrage?

    The Speaker should instruct the Appropriations Committee to deny all spending requests made by any of these 12 members.These members shouldn’t be allowed to travel on any congressional delegation trips.

    That right there is a big part of the problem.

    By the way, delegation trips overseas, paid for by taxpayers, are allegedly “fact-finding” missions for Congressmen. Feehery’s admission that they are really perks or rewards for loyalty ought to cause these to be stripped of public funding.

    snip

    Feehery certainly knows what it takes to lose a majority, having had a ring-side seat for the GOP implosion in 2006. In the six years the GOP had complete control of government, and Feehery had an opportunity to help shape policy, federal spending skyrocketed. A “unified” GOP piled up almost as much debt as all previous Congresses combined. It passed the largest entitlement expansion in a generation and dramatically increased the role of the federal government in almost every aspect of life. Oh, and a “unifed” GOP gave us the TSA.

    Power brokers and rewards for loyalty. The Electorate has no part in either—only the Party does.

  6. El Gordo Avatar

    I have to agree with Feehery on several points. It is time for a purge in the Republican Party. Spending requests for the subject 12 members should be denied as well as no congressional junkets, but amended to include all others as well. Thanks for bringing that up Sarge.

  7. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Alert alert! We have a WIMPY sighting. EG, I hope you are getting better.

  8. Hamous Avatar

    Third such attack we’ve seen like this in the last couple of months. Can we NOW talk about this??? How many more muss die??? There is only one thing to do: ban subways.

  9. squawkbox Avatar

    Sarge

    Don’t tell me that its the fault of the electorate when there are guys like this at the top of the Republican Party

    IT IS THE FAULT OF THE ELECTORATE
    We the people are charged with voting these people in and charged with voting these people out. Our founders saw to it the “the power” began and ends with the electorate. We give them permission to govern us. But nooooo, when times were good who cared. The economy was rolling right along and folks were happy. When the economy was bad “Well hell we cannot vote that guy out a Democrat, might get the seat, he (the encumbutt /republican) is the best choice to beat that democrat”. Cripes man you have heard the arguments from the electorate as much as I did as to why we neeeded to keep the status quo. And how many times have I heard people tell me “Why I ain’t got time to write or call my congressenatmantor, who has time to do that (keep their feet to the fire)?
    Especially the Republican electorate, rather than electing good men, elections became filling the seats with a person who had an “R” behind their name and nothing more. A numbers game. The electorate was way too busy to pay attention to what that “R” person stood for….. just get an “R” in the seat. And then came my favorite song,

    we will hold his feet to the fire to do the right thing or else.

    Or else what?
    For thirty years I have heard that same old refrain “We gottas vote this or that guy out”. And for thrity years I have seen that we kept getting what we got. The problem always ends and begins with the electorate in this country. It is how our Constitution was written.

  10. Hamous Avatar

    Wallin’s arrest sent shock waves through the Bridgeport and Danbury communities where he was known as a charismatic speaker who was involved in many charitable activities, and who enjoyed Broadway musicals and show tunes.

    Shocked? Really?

  11. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #7 Tim
    Sorry you wuz on your own this morning, but you finally found the meetin’ hall. Could you punch that guy Feehery for us while you’re in there?

  12. Tedtam Avatar

    But what about gay bears? Was he a fan of gay bears?

  13. Hamous Avatar

    Maybe we’ve been mind-controlled. They slipped the microchip in our vaccines I’ll bet.

  14. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    outrageoulsy outrageous outrage

    I’m outraged!

  15. squawkbox Avatar

    I’m outraged!

    But are you outrageoulsy outrageous outraged? Or are you just offended and think you are outraged?.

  16. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Holder is grasping at straws in attempt to keep the F and F document scandal out of the public record.
    I found this particularly galling and suggest it demands a special prosecutor:

    There were two parts of the contempt resolution. Holder was, and still is, in both civil and criminal contempt of Congress. The criminal resolution was forwarded to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Ronald Machen–who works for Holder–for prosecution. Despite being technically required by law to bring forth criminal charges against Holder, under orders from Holder’s Department of Justice Machen chose to ignore the resolution.

    If this situation does not demand a special prosecutor then what does? Let’s be real here, people in the USA and Mexico died as a direct result of this action and there have been no consequences for the perpetrators of the crimes involved. The time is now to start the criminal prosecutions, the delays have been abusive and must stop.

  17. Tedtam Avatar

    Tissue alert.
    Dog continues to attend mass after owner dies.
    The priest lets him sit quietly near the altar. The community has adopted the dog.
    How can Muslims hate such animals? They are loyal to a fault, always happy to see you (well, most of them), and can extend your life just by being in your life.

  18. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    They slipped the microchip in our vaccines I’ll bet.

    That’s a diversion.
    It’s chemtrails.

  19. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #20: I have heard a similar story about the breed of dog Akita, a popular dog in Japan. The story goes something like this: A man took the train every day to work and his dog would go to the station in the morning with him and then go back home; then he would return in the afternoon to wait for his master to return. This went on for years until the man suddenly died. The dog would still show up and wait for hours for his master, every day for years until it died. Looking at this from a Samurai perspective, this is the ideal, perfection. There are some that look at the Akita as the national dog of Japan, based on this level of loyalty. I have had some interaction with Akitas and have found that they are really one family dogs, they will tolerate other people but there is no question as to where the loyalty lies, and they will fight to the death to defend the family.

  20. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    It’s chemtrails.

    I saw a really great one of those this morning, the polluting chemical spewing aircraft was 30,000+ feet up and heading east, its noxious fumes brilliant white against the crystal blue sky just before the sun poked over the horizon.

  21. Tedtam Avatar

    #23 Bone
    I swear, when I first glanced at your entry, I thought it said “when the sun puked over the horizon”.
    I guess it was the effect of the word “chemical” before it in the sentence.

  22. Tedtam Avatar

    And the sun doesn’t poke over the horizon. It creeps up slowly, lifting itself by pulling up on its fingers of light, until it peeks over and the light spills out onto a world not yet ready for its brilliance that dang early in the morning.

  23. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    My delicate daughter, Heartcrusher, refers to that time of day as “the butt-crack of dawn”. She never was much of a morning person.

  24. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I would refer to that time as the bloody red battle between night and day.

  25. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #24 TT: Puked would have been a better word, with a little work that sentence could be entered in the Bulwer-Litton (or however it is spelt) contest.

  26. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    IT IS THE FAULT OF THE ELECTORATE

    What you are trying to convince me, and others, or is that a huge corporate entity with millions upon millions of dollars, vast amounts of poltical power whether they are in charge or not, influence with media outlets, and professional public relations operations has no effect whatsoever.
    You are trying to convince us that once the people we elect get to Washington, that huge corporate entity has no power over them, cannot direct them or affect the decisions and choices they make.
    It is simply illogical.

  27. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Of course, you could always tell us how the Electorate can change the Republican Party——-

  28. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    We got Ted Cruz elected over all Establishment impediments. Dunno how to multiply that to significant numbers, though. The main problem I see is identifying the candidates. Most people don’t have time in their lives to investigate candidates, or whose endorsement to trust.

  29. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    29 Sarge,
    The only thing that effectively changes the voting pattern of an elected official is to vote him (or her) out of office.
    I agree with Seagull (aka Squawk). I would also add that “We have sighted the enemy and He is Us!”. We have been guilty of electing far too many folks who are single issue representatives. We like them for their stand on a single issue; therefore we give them a pass on everything else.
    Luckily, no one lives forever and nature takes care of the problem that we seem remiss to do. Sometimes nature is thwarted when one of our fearless leaders gets caught with the hand in the cookie jar, patting the wrong fanny, or kissing one too many babies too often. Democracy is not pretty to watch. Your time would be better spent watching sausage being made and at least you could walk away with something you could swallow.
    Simple

  30. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The dead tree version of the WSJ has a story on page B1 detailing the issues with the Lithium batteries on the 787. There are 2 63 lb lithium batteries that produce a total of 130 amp hrs of electricity and a total weight of 126 lbs. To do the same with Nickel-Cadmium batteries would require 284 lbs of batteries, it is greater because the NiCad is not as efficient. So Boing is going through all this difficulty with the more dangerous batteries to save a whole 158 lbs. This equates to about 23.099 gallons of kerosene (6.84lbs/gal) jet fuel. In my lizard brain, the risk of lithium batteries is not worth the reward in weight reduction.

  31. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    31 mharper42 says:
    January 18, 2013 at 10:07 am
    We got Ted Cruz elected over all Establishment impediments. Dunno how to multiply that to significant numbers, though. The main problem I see is identifying the candidates. Most people don’t have time in their lives to investigate candidates, or whose endorsement to trust.

    Bingo.
    If we accept the definition of a Party as being a corporate entity formed to elect candidates, it is foolish and naive to think that the Party has nothing to do with choosing which candidates they support. In the cas of Cruz, it was painfully obvious which candidate it was—-to the point where scurillous accusations and tactics were used by the Party towards the very Electorate they blame when the wrong candidates get elected.
    Multiply that effect to every candidate the Republican Party chooses in all elections from Dog Catcher to President and you can clearly see the problem.
    And its not the Electorate.

  32. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I have to side with Sarge on the issue. Advertising and propaganda works on the majority the overwhelming majority of the time. Don’t believe it, do a seance and ask Goebbels or Woody Wilson. Better still, just look at the TV and all the BS commercials spewing forth, if it didn’t put people in the store buying the stuff they would have stopped doing it a long time ago.
    This does not mean that everybody is swayed by the propaganda (which is what is passed for news from the alphabet networks), the majority will swallow most of what is fed them; what ever they hear the most of, that is what they believe and critical, rational thinking usually does not enter the equation.

  33. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Who exactly votes people into office?
    “The Establishment” does not. “The Establishment” doesn’t get a vote at all. “The Establishment” does have influence on the electorate.
    That said, “The Establishment” can’t move the electorate in a direction it does not want to go, or else David Dewhurst would have been sworn in as a new senator a week or two ago.
    I would personally like to see term limits such that any person could not serve more than 12 years in aggregate in any Federal elected capacity.

  34. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Sarge,
    You wrote:

    Multiply that effect to every candidate the Republican Party chooses in all elections from Dog Catcher to President and you can clearly see the problem

    The last time that I looked….we chose candidates (R or D) via primaries. The “corporate” party may be backing one or the other in the field, which to me is understandable. The national party wants to have an “electable” slate in the fall. Sometimes the local party voters have different ideas about who is electable; Well… that is the curse of the Democratic process. It all works out in the end.
    I would remind you that either Republican candidate for the Texas Senate would have handily beaten the Democrat challanger (whatever his name was???). There was really no gamble in Texas.
    This was not the case in several other states where “Tea Party” favorites for the House and the Senate went down in flames because they could not stay on message and keep their mouths shut. Worse…these were elections that were winable from the start had a more moderate or saavy candidate won the primary. You have to get elected to legislate.
    I do see a silver lining in all of this. The Democrats have a similar problem brewing. Right now their extreme faction (Progressives or whatever they call themselves today) runs the party, but it is evident they will have to swing toward the center or moderate position to make any more gains. They too will end up squabbling in public just like their Republican brethern. Sometimes you have to drink a cold beer and have a good belly laugh.
    Simple

  35. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    “The Establishment” does not. “The Establishment” doesn’t get a vote at all. “The Establishment” does have influence on the electorate.
    That said, “The Establishment” can’t move the electorate in a direction it does not want to go, or else David Dewhurst would have been sworn in as a new senator a week or two ago.

    You simply ignore the times they are successful?
    Please note the tactics, methods, and money they used to get it done, and then tell me that it never has any effect at all?
    Please.
    Why would they have gone to the ends they went with Dewhurst if they are never successful and have no effect?

  36. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #36 Pyro: There are exceptions to the rule and Dewchrist was such a sleeze that most people woke up to his sleezitude and said no more, we need a fresh face in DC. Texas is unique in a lot of ways so applying what may work (on occasion) here does not necessarily at all play on the national stage. What may be true in the specific case does not mean that it always applies to the general case, that is an example of faulty logic.

  37. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    31 mHarper,
    I would like to see judges being appointed by a judicial commission and let the voters confirm or reject them at regular intervals.
    Electing judges because of party membership is STUPID. Look at the mess down in Galveston as an example.
    Simple

  38. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    38 Sarge,
    Texas Politics has never been for the faint of heart. Mudslinging is taught at all of
    our State Universities as part of the Political Science Curriculum.
    You should have been here when Ralph Yarbrough ran against Gordon Mclendon for the Senate. Mclendon was an early and slightly more rational version of Alex Jones. Gordon Mclendon also owned a chain of radio stations in Texas and unlike AJ…Mclendon was filthy rich. Ralph Yarbrough was no neophyte when it came to dirty politics and you would have thought it was a mud hurricane. By the way…this was all in the primary as the Republican Party was more of a cult in Texas during the sixties than a political party.
    Simple

  39. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The circular arguments are presented thus:
    There is no Establishment, they don’t do anything to choose the candidates who run, except when they do, and then they are not successful.

  40. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Please note the tactics, methods, and money they used to get it done, and then tell me that it never has any effect at all?

    Please read what I wrote. I explicitly stated that “The Establishment” does influence the electorate. Its influence in the primaries generally ends up simply reinforcing support for their favorite candidate rather than actually convincing the rest to vote for him/her.
    Mr. Simon makes a couple of very cogent point in #37. He’s definitely on the right track.

  41. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    42 Sarge,
    Have you ever gone Bass Fishing at the right time, right climate and water conditions, used the right bait, your presentation was perfect, and yet you didn’t catch a fish?
    The electorate and the fish have a lot in common sometimes.
    Simple

  42. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #20 Tedtam, from your link;
    Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.
    When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.
    All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor. Those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.
    They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent. His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.
    You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.
    Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together….
    Author unknown…

  43. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The last time that I looked….we chose candidates (R or D) via primaries. The “corporate” party may be backing one or the other in the field, which to me is understandable. The national party wants to have an “electable” slate in the fall. Sometimes the local party voters have different ideas about who is electable; Well… that is the curse of the Democratic process. It all works out in the end.

    I disagree. If you look at the actions and statements of the gentleman in the first post, along with those of others, it is rather obvious that The Establishment is looking for a particular ideology, and its not Conservatism, as well as people who will “play ball.”
    They rely on the other party screwing up to get those candidates elected.

  44. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    44 Simple Simon says:
    January 18, 2013 at 11:13 am
    42 Sarge,
    Have you ever gone Bass Fishing at the right time, right climate and water conditions, used the right bait, your presentation was perfect, and yet you didn’t catch a fish?
    The electorate and the fish have a lot in common sometimes.
    Simple

    You ever get in a boat with a guy who tells you to leave all your bait and tackle at home, takes you to the wrong spot, then blames you because you didn’t catch any fish?
    If you have, you went fishing with a Republican.

  45. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Have you ever been fishing with a guy who, when also fishing with one of his friends, drinks only water, but when you and he go out alone, he drinks all your beer?
    If you have, then you went fishing with a Baptist.

  46. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #48 😀

  47. Hamous Avatar

    If we accept the definition of a Party as being a corporate entity formed to elect candidates, it is foolish and naive to think that the Party has nothing to do with choosing which candidates they support. In the cas of Cruz, it was painfully obvious which candidate it was—-to the point where scurillous accusations and tactics were used by the Party towards the very Electorate they blame when the wrong candidates get elected.
    Multiply that effect to every candidate the Republican Party chooses in all elections from Dog Catcher to President and you can clearly see the problem.
    And its not the Electorate.

    So when the Electorate elects the candidate you prefer, it’s the Electorate. When the Electorate elects “the establishment” candidate, it’s not the Electorate.

  48. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    So when the Electorate elects the candidate you prefer, it’s the Electorate. When the Electorate elects “the establishment” candidate, it’s not the Electorate.

    No.
    The Establishment does not want to give the Electorate choices that the Establishment does not prefer. It interferes with primaries by supporting candidates with money, machinery, contacts, and access, then pretends it does not. When a candidate the Electorate really wants manages to slip through—and Cruz is the best example we have because his race is the exception to the rule—it will increase that support by a significant factor. Cruz’ example is illuminating as it demonstrates the lengths (and depths) to which the Establishment is willing to go when its initial efforts fail.

  49. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    It isn’t “The Electorate” that resulted in Senator Cruz. I credit Jim DeMint wth first endorsing him, and the Tea Party with picking up on that endorsement, and then and only then did grassroots activity get enough momentum to break the primary tie in favor of Cruz. Most of “The Electorate” was watching TV sports while that primary battle was going on.

  50. Hamous Avatar

    The Establishment does not want to give the Electorate choices that the Establishment does not prefer.

    I agree the Republican Party leaders pick their preferred candidate. That’s what organizations do.

    It interferes with primaries by supporting candidates with money, machinery, contacts, and access, then pretends it does not.

    It’s not “interference” to support your chosen candidate. The Republican Party never pretended that they weren’t supporting Dewhurst.

    When a candidate the Electorate really wants manages to slip through—and Cruz is the best example we have because his race is the exception to the rule—it will increase that support by a significant factor.

    Bingo. Therefore it follows, if a given candidate doesn’t make it, the Electorate didn’t really want them.
    Conclusion: If a candidate in the race is preferred by the electorate, the electorate will elect them, despite what the Party bosses want or do.
    It is the electorate.

  51. Hamous Avatar

    Most of “The Electorate” was watching TV sports while that primary battle was going on.

    While that may be true, there were five Dewhurst commercials aired during every commercial break, so the electorate knew what was going on. In my opinion, Dewhurst was his own worst enemy with those commercials, and the electorate soundly sent him packing.

  52. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Good point, I had forgotten how annoying those Dewhurst ads were.

  53. Hamous Avatar

    New Jersey senate passes bill prohibiting any non-union contractors from being awarded any contracts in Sandy recovery.

  54. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Bingo. Therefore it follows, if a given candidate doesn’t make it, the Electorate didn’t really want them.

    Ahem.
    If, as you say, the organization’s purpose is to elect candidates of thier own choosing, why is it you pre-suppose that not all candidates on any given slate are those chosen and supported by the organization? The organization only provides us with choices the organization wants us to have. As MJ points out with Cruz, he became a viable primary candidate and an ultimately successful candidate—one with whom the electorate is supremely satisfied—because he alone was supported by outside sources.
    The organization only gives us choices they want us to have, then blames us for choosing one of them.
    What is needed if the Electorate is to get the choices they actually want is a new organization that will give them those choices.

  55. Tedtam Avatar

    Tooooo funny.
    Air Force joins Chuck Norris.
    heh heh heh
    When Norris finally passes on, I wonder what kind of “statements of fact” we’ll have then?
    “Chuck Norris doesn’t die. He just goes to Hell to roundhouse kick Satan before reporting for duty in Heaven.”

  56. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Here’s the job I want to have.
    The guy I work for wants choices for ways to accomplish a project. I give him the only ones that I think he should have because I think he’s too stupid to choose the right one—and his choices suck for me anyway because they ultimately threaten my job. Then, when he’s not happy with the results of the choice he made out of those I gave him, I get to blame him for making the choice.
    AND, if he makes a choice given to him from an outside contractor, I tell him what a treasonous buttwipe he is and say that he’s going to screw everything else on the project.

  57. Hamous Avatar

    You continue to ignore the Ted Cruzes, Allen Wests, and Tim Scotts of the political world because they contradict your “all-powerful establishment/innocent electorate” theory.

  58. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    59 Hamous says:
    January 18, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    …a new organization…
    Meet the new Org. Same as the old Org.

    Ah yes.
    We don’t need a Continental Congress. I mean, look at how bad Parliament sucked.

  59. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    61 Hamous says:
    January 18, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    You continue to ignore the Ted Cruzes, Allen Wests, and Tim Scotts of the political world because they contradict your “all-powerful establishment/innocent electorate” theory.

    Perhaps you missed the parts where I used Cruz to illustrate my point.

  60. Hamous Avatar

    Perhaps you missed the parts where I used Cruz to illustrate my point.

    Cruz contradicts your point! He won! Jeez. I’ll let you argue with yourself again.

  61. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Cruz contradicts your point! He won! Jeez. I’ll let you argue with yourself again.

    Cruz ran with support from outside the Party.
    He perfectly illustrates the point that if the Electorate is to find candidates they want to choose, they must go outside of the Party.

  62. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Wonder if DeMint will be able to identify and shepherd good candidates from his new job with the Heritage Foundation?

  63. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bwa Haha Ha! NOLA’s “Chocolate” Ray charged with corruption.

  64. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    67 mharper42 says:
    January 18, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    Wonder if DeMint will be able to identify and shepherd good candidates from his new job with the Heritage Foundation?

    That is his stated intention. And he says that is required because the Party has stopped giving the Electorate decent choices.

  65. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    66 Sarge,
    The “Electorate” really do not get much of a choice in this state. The general electorate gets whatever the primary system pukes out. In Texas the election has mostly been over at the primary. A few decades ago the Texas Democrats ran things and you got a “choice” if you voted Democrat.
    Today, I believe the pendulum has swung the other way and the election is over after the Republican primary. That was certainly the case this year, although the same cannot be said down ballot in local elections.
    Funny thing about pendulums; they tend to reverse course on a regular basis. I think Texas is safely a “Red” state for at least two more Presidential election cycles, but after that the demographics are not working in favor of the Republican Party.
    I would rather see an open primary system where all candidates run in the same primary election regardless of party membership. If one candidate gets a simple majority then the election is over and he (she) wins. If no one gets a simple majority, then the two top vote getters will face each other in a runoff election in November.
    I don’t think it would ever happen here because it would disenfranchise the local king makers. Neither party would go for it.
    Simple

  66. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    68, mHarper
    A Louisiana Politician involved in corruption. Shocked! I tell you I am shocked!
    Simple

  67. Tedtam Avatar

    #71

    A Louisiana Politician involved in corruption. Shocked! I tell you I am shocked!

    Need some of this?

  68. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Simple.
    The discussion I am having involves how candidates get to the general election, and what is needed to reform that process, as well as nationally. Texas has sufficient influence within the Party that if reform is achieved here, it will domino through to the other States.

  69. squawkbox Avatar

    Sarge

    What you are trying to convince me, and others, or is that a huge corporate entity……

    Uhhh no. I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. I am, however, pointing out that in our system, the electorate chooses whom they want to be governed by. Every two years we are given the opportunity (usually) to toss out the jetsam and flotsam i.e. hold their feet to the fire. What happens is the same old same old gets re-elected. I have seen good candidates run against incomebutts and heard all the arguments early on in the primaries from the same people that gripe about the incomebutt why we dare not back the new guy. And guess what, we get what we got all over again cause the electorate did not have the courage to ignore the lies, misconceptions obfuscation presented them. And they ignore 4 to 6 years of the candidates records they gripe about.
    Ultimately the blame lays at the foot of “us” der volks.

  70. squawkbox Avatar

    influence with media outlets, and professional public relations operations has no effect whatsoever.

    Never said that. nice straw suit ya got there though.

    You are trying to convince us that once the people we elect get to Washington, that huge corporate entity has no power over them, cannot direct them or affect the decisions and choices they make.

    Didn’t say that either.
    The fact still remains that at the end of each term we the folks are given the opportunity to un-elect the clown, we usually don’t for whatever reason.

  71. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The fact still remains that at the end of each term we the folks are given the opportunity to un-elect the clown, we usually don’t for whatever reason.

    Then we change who gives us the choices.

  72. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    It’s GJT’s fault.

  73. squawkbox Avatar

    Vote out the bad apples and you get rid of those that supposedly give us the choice who we get to vote for. It really is that simple. However reality is we have crossed the line where the electorate is deep in the process of voting for goodies instead of freedom and liberty.

  74. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I blame Shannon

  75. squawkbox Avatar

    31 mharper42 says:
    January 18, 2013 at 10:07 am
    We got Ted Cruz elected over all Establishment impediments. Dunno how to multiply that to significant numbers, though. The main problem I see is identifying the candidates. Most people don’t have time in their lives to investigate candidates, or whose endorsement to trust.

    With all due respect that simply is not true. I’d bet if oliver sudden you were required to take some new hairy drivers test you would find time to study for that test. There is so freaking much information on the intraweb about candidates it is crazy. Every existing politico out there has a record that can be researched. Even the new guy on the block can be researched in one form or another. I needed about 1 one hour to find a good background on Ted Cruz. I stripped away the junk got the facts and pretty much knew I would vote for him if given the opportunity. Not to mention I already knew what I needed to know about Dewhurst. As time went by Cruz pretty much proved out during the campaign what I already knew.
    I argued this point back in the LST days and I am not pointing fingers at anyone here, but most folks that toss the “ain’t got time” card……. LOL check the time stamps on their blog comments and forwarding the “me too” stuff on Facebook and then come back and tell me they ain’t got time to do a bit of due diligence. We will stay away from their TV time.

  76. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good afternoon Hamsters. Another frost this morning and plenty of sparkles in the Sun early on. Looks like the freezes are on hold for the next few days but brisk anyway at night. It is sunny winter for a few days.
    Spouse and I are going to the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club annual banquet tonight at the Houston Museum of Natural Science branch in Sugar Land. Gonna be Dinner with the Dinos. 🙂 It will be catered by an outside restaurant, as I guess the residents don’t have or need a kitchen other than a small area for the staff…. It should be a hoot of a place for a banquet. Will report tomorrow.
    The museum branch is in what was once part of the Sugar Land prison farm, now expanded and modified to house about 6-7 dino skeletons that are umm, rather tall and take up lots of space. It has a wonderful children’s area and a mini planetarium as well as other excellent exhibits.

  77. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    update on the hostage crisis in Algeria (sounds like a disease to me).

    /snip
    Mauritanian ANI news agency said militants are demanding the release of “Blind Sheikh” Omar Abdel Rehman, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, and Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani neuroscientist serving sentence for attempted murder. Both are in US prisons.
    US officials have refused to “negotiate with terrorists”.

    There are many more bullet points to read. I thought AlQueerda was “decimated” and no longer a factor?

  78. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    From the bottom of the barrel of dumbassery we have this glittering gem of collossal ignorance from noted half wit, Danny Glover at Texas A&M University:

    “I don’t know if you know the genesis of the right to bear arms,” he said. “The Second Amendment comes from the right to protect themselves from slave revolts, and from uprisings by Native Americans.”
    “A revolt from people who were stolen from their land or revolt from people whose land was stolen from, that’s what the genesis of the second amendment is,” he continued.

    What more is there to say?

  79. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    dumbassery

    h/t: Katfish

  80. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #80 Squawk
    Ya got me dead to rights — I spend too much time online. 🙂 But I am in search of info, at least part of that time. If I Share something, it’s because I want others to be aware of it. Whether they are interested in diving in to read it, up to them.
    Based on the low turnout Nov 6 2012, there were millions of conservatives who simply withheld their votes, and enough of ’em to have swamped out the gimme-dat voters, had they been willing to vote for Romney. Why didn’t they at least go to the polls and write in Luap Nor or Rick Santorum? At least they would signal their displeasure with Romney. By not voting, leaves the impression perhumps they just didn’t have enough gas in the car to make it to the polls.

  81. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #82BC
    AQ and its hangers on are only on the run in ruins in the fevered and demented minds of the Obama administration. And the Obama bunch needs to look up the meaning of decimate before they fling that around with abandon. It means one in ten, as in Roman soldiers “pacifying” conquered towns by lining up the citizens and killing every tenth person. That would mean 9 terrorists free to keep up the terror instead of 10. Idiots.
    But then, the Obamabots make stuff up as they go along to suit the moment, like executive orders to obliterate parts of laws and the Constitution they don’t like. And none in DC dare call it treason.

  82. El Gordo Avatar

    #82 Looking to me like Zero and Hillary are planning to watch on TV again as more Americans are massacred overseas, this time in Algeria. They are all standing around with their thumbs stuck someplace where the sun don’t shine. Meanwhile, looks like there is some bad news for locals held hostage and/or killed over there already. Much more important to disarm the American citizenry than to take care of our citizens directly in harm’s way; more likely Zero has no interest in creating disharmony among his chosen brothers. Pathetic.
    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news%2Fnational_world&id=8958895&rss=rss-ktrk-article-8958895&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+abc13houstonnews+%28abc13.com+-+Houston+News%29

  83. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #86 Ms Adee: I think at one time the French practiced decimation on their own troops to incite them to fight harder. What a great morale booster. What is the record on French Warfare again?

  84. squawkbox Avatar

    85 mharper42

    #80 Squawk
    Ya got me dead to rights — I spend too much time online.

    Actually I did not intend to pick on you. When I was neck deep in politics instead of dumbassery (h/t bonezz and Mr. Fish) deep as I am today one thing I noticed and was vocalized by General Tommy Franks (paraphrasing)
    There is nothing wrong with enjoying our freedoms and prosperity as we did after

    Reagan, but what happened is the american people became more interested in base/foot/basketball and the what Hollywood is doing more than keeping up with what was going on not only in Washington but in the world. Following suit politicians slumbered as Al Qaeda began planning and came knocking. Politicians had become more entrenched in self serving interests and chipping away at our freedoms and liberties. They ignored the red flags and warnings of an impending disaster, And the electorate? They were too busy being entertained and having fun. It really is no wonder that any given time in American history we get exactly the government we deserve.

    I ain’t whining here, but I got my arse chewed whenever I suggested that it might be a good idea to hand write and mail your Congressman when you have concerns. Contact them once a week. Simple enough suggestion. What would that take 5 maybe 10 minutes once a week? Holy crap you woulduh thunk I asked them to voluntarily stand guard at front gate of Ft Sill (nod to Sarge 🙂 ). Yet that same representative bunch in the various forums I participated were the most vocal to cry out when their ox got gored. Yet they were just too busy to write a note, drop it in the mailbox. Oh well and here we are today.
    /Oh yeah it was also that bunch which would argue that we had to put someone in as a candidate that could win, the incomebutt. Heh that worked well now hasn’t it.

  85. Hamous Avatar

    People that “don’t have time” to investigate the candidates are the exact people whose fault it is we’re leaving our grandchildren a bankrupt (fiscally AND morally) nation. They simply vote for the latest My Pretty Pony.

  86. Hamous Avatar

    They’re also schizophrenic:

    More than eight in ten American voters (83 percent) think government spending is out of control, according to a Fox News poll released Friday. That’s up from 78 percent who said so in 2010 and 62 percent in 2009. Some 11 percent think spending is being managed carefully.

    LOL! We’re toast.

  87. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Kafish,U have to ™ “Dumbassery” becuse it’s real popular here, check #84/#89.
    😉

  88. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well today’s thread is fascinating to say the least, BUTT , Lil’ Bit is in my lap LQQkng at me with those big ole brown eyes, and letting me know that it’s time to go for a walk. Later
    😉

  89. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    87 Gordo
    It looks like elements of the Algerian Army mounted a rescue. I will reserve judgement as to how effective that rescue was until we get more details.
    Do you suppose the Algerians would get their noses out of joint if we sent in some Seals or Rangers uninvited? I know my nose would be out of joint if the Mexican Goverment sent (uninvited) some of their Special Forces into the USA to rescue Mexican Citizens.
    This was an active and operational gas plant. Open fires, flying projectiles, and schrapnel are not likely OSHA approved; Lucky it was not worse.
    I worked in Angola in the early eighties during the civil war between UNITA and the MPLA. The State Department (Reagan Administration) made it pretty clear we were on our own if taken hostage. Luckily, UNITA left us alone, but I still banked my hazardous duty pay.
    Simple

  90. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Oh no, they left me again.

  91. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I did not want to get out of bed this am so I am going to shut it down early tonight and sleep late tomorrow. Shabat Shalom, yall.

  92. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Hunnerd!! 😀

  93. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, I did it again. I cooked a bunch of lentils yesterday, and had some left over. I whirled a bunch of them in the food processor with a coupla eggs, half an onion, and lots of seasoning, then added a pound of hamburger meat. I figure that the lentil to meat ration was about half and half. Cooked it up, topped it with some cheese the last few minutes, and presto! double the meatloaf, double the fiber. It was a little more crumbly than usual, but not by much.
    Hubby just ate two servings and proclaimed dinner “good”!
    Little does he know….

  94. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Tedtam, the stealth nutritionist!

  95. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Time for an intervention. Someone must let sweet trusting Hubby know he’s being poisoned, I vote for Shannon.

  96. Tedtam Avatar

    I have nothing but love for my Hubby! Little birds sing when he walks through the door, and little sparkly light things trail behind him where he walks. And an RFU prances through my back yard when he’s home.

  97. Tedtam Avatar

    The meatloaf must have been better than I thought. I just went in the kitchen to find an almost empty dish. Handsome ate almost the whole thing.
    But, then, it’s Handsome Son. I think he’d eat fresh roadkill with the right sauce.
    Well, he’s not that bad. But he eats. He eats.

  98. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Your son too?!!

  99. phil Avatar
    phil

    Still the best Bond film and song.

  100. phil Avatar
    phil

    Something no politician is as long as you know how to define is.

  101. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #58;

    “Chuck Norris doesn’t die. He just goes to Hell to roundhouse kick kick the livin’ hell out of Satan before reporting for duty in Heaven.”

    🙂

  102. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    104
    I’m calling Adult Protective Services.
    The woman is a menace.

  103. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #89;
    “Handwrite”? “Mailbox”? Ohhhh, that’s what cavemen did for online letters.
    Ergo.; it’s even easier now to contact your representative than it used to be, (not that squawk is as old as a caveman, nor does he appear as one. That latter honor goes to Jerry Garcia). appearence is another matter)

  104. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Tedtam #20;
    Did you see the recent vid I linked about dogs and humans? I’m amazed how deep that connection runs. You’re absolutely right in that just having one can extend your life. And that’s in both years and quality.
    Also, you’re right, the Sun doesn’t poke up. THIS is a poke.

  105. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable

    Penguin hater!!! 👿
    Hulk eat penguin.

  106. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    GJT #1-7;
    Dude, you’re funny!!! 🙂

  107. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    MSNBC’s Bashir Falls for Hoax, Reports Satanists to Rally for Rick Scott; Turns Out It’s Part of Mockumentary

    While the mainstream media has been transfixed with the Manti Te’o fake girlfriend story, it seems many outlets in the gullible liberal media were biting on another hoax, this one involving Florida Gov. Rick Scott and a band of Satanists supposedly set to stage a rally expressing their support for the Florida Republican.

    and…

    Besides Bashir, the left-wing e-rag Gawker took the bait. Ditto with Yahoo! News and the Huffington Post.

    And so did Bill Holloway at The Blaze. (I’m now glad I never linked it here 🙂 )

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