Thursday Performing And Visual Arts! Open Comments

Now that we’ve all atoned for all of our transgressions, it is time for me to inflict more performing and visual arts! upon you people.

Why don’t we have a caption contest while we’re at it?


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  1. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Good morning.

  2. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Speaking of butterflies:
    A boy and his father were playing catch in the front yard when the
    boy saw a honey bee. He ran over and stomped it.
    “That was a honey bee,” his father said,”one of our friends, and for
    stomping him you will do without honey for a week.”
    Later the boy saw a butterfly so he ran over and stomped it.
    “That was a butterfly,” his father said, “one of our friends, and for
    stomping him you will do without butter for a week.”
    The next morning the family had sat down for breakfast. The boy ate
    his plain toast (no honey and butter.)
    Suddenly a cockroach ran from under the stove. His mother stomped it.
    The boy looked at his father and said, “Are you going to tell her or
    should I?

  3. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning All
    Babe Zaharias dies of cancer
    September 27,1956
    On this day in 1956, Mildred Ella (Babe) Zaharias died at John Sealy Hospital in Galveston. She was born in Port Arthur and played semi-pro basketball with the Golden Cyclones while employed by Employers Casualty Company of Dallas. She was an all-around track and field star in the 1932 Amateur Athletic Union Championships, where she broke four world records. In the 1932 Olympics she set three world records. After turning to golf in 1933, she won the Texas Women’s Amateur Golf Championship before being ruled ineligible as an amateur. In 1948 she helped found the Ladies Professional Golf Association. Babe was the LPGA’s leading money winner between 1949 and 1951. After a cancer operation in 1953 she went on to win five more tournaments, and also played for cancer benefit tournaments. In 1955 she established the Babe Zaharias Trophy to honor outstanding women athletes. She was forty-five when she died. She is buried in Beaumont.

  4. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Snotty, self righteous Liberal does what Liberals do thinking her self righteousness gives her the right to commit vandalism and assault, is surpised to find out it doesn’t.

  5. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    No caption, but it immediately hit me that these gals are quite educated, they obviously have read Vachel Lindsay.

    Just then from the doorway, as fat as shotes,
    Came the cake-walk princes in their long red coats,
    Shoes with a patent-leather shine,
    And tall silk hats that were red as wine.
    And they pranced with their butterfly part- ners there,
    Coal-black maidens with pearls in their hair,
    Knee-skirts trimmed with the jessamine sweet,
    And bells on their ankles and little black feet.

  6. bob42 Avatar

    Saturday was the first day of fall. But for Romney’s poll numbers, it was just another day of free fall.

  7. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Caption: Residents of Bobolia

  8. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Bob- You haven’t seen this yet?
    Here are the CBS/New York Times internals. And here’s the con the CBS/NYTs is attempting to pull:
    Florida:
    In 2004 the vote was R+4.
    In 2008 the vote was D+3
    CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9.
    Ohio:
    In 2004 the vote was R+5
    In 2008 the vote was D+8
    CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9
    Pennsylvania:
    In 2010 the vote was D+3
    In 2008 the vote was D+7
    CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9.

  9. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Bobby just wants to see Obama win so his civil rights won’t get trampled by the right-wing authoritarian nutjobs.
    He’d much rather more of them get trampled harder by Bolshevik nutjobs, because at least they let the queens marry each other and let him smoke his weed.

  10. bob42 Avatar

    #9 I’m not voting for Obama. Especially at the national level, the politicians of both parties are corporatist parasites, and there’s not a damn thing either of us can do about that. But fortunately, I can always get a chuckle out of the ridiculous antics of the hypocritical, bible thumping, irrational, far right-wing immoral authoritarians that control today’s republican party.

    Republicans don’t govern, they rule.
    -David Benzion

    Truer words were never spoken.

  11. Hamous Avatar

    iΒ·roΒ·ny
    [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]
    noun, plural iΒ·roΒ·nies.
    1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, β€œHow nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
    example: Bobolicious calling anyone else immoral.

  12. Tedtam Avatar

    Republicans are racist.
    Gee, I didn’t know. I guess I need to dump all of my old, black, and brown friends.

  13. Tedtam Avatar

    I do love this comment, though:

    Fine. We’re all racists. But Obama is still a stuttering clusterfark of a miserable failure of a racist.

  14. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Truer words were never spoken.

    Wrong once again.
    “Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule on day one.”
    — Valerie Jarrett

  15. Tedtam Avatar

    But when it comes to racism, Mia Love can certainly tell her tale:

    Unfortunately, her new-found fame has also made her a target.
    An unknown suspect reportedly sent an envelope full of pictures to her office, including photos of aborted fetuses, a photo of Love and her husband Jason and a photo of a Ku Klux Klan member wearing a hood, The Deseret News reports.

    But she wears big girl panties:

    When asked about the envelope filled with hate, Love provided a confident and firm response:
    β€œI want you to know, I want everyone to know I am comfortable in my skin. I’m comfortable and proud of my heritage. I’m proud of who I am. I know where I’m going and I know what we need to do to get this country back in order again. There isn’t anything that anyone can send me that will distract me from that so they can bring it,” she said.

  16. El Gordo Avatar

    While I’m not crazy about Mr. Romney, I like him better than I did John McSwine, and I voted for him, so looks like I’ll be voting for Romney. In fact, I’d vote for my cat if he was Zero'[s opponent.

  17. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    heh heh heh
    She said “panties”

  18. Katfish Avatar

    #8 – and they are ALL fulla BPH!!

  19. Katfish Avatar

    #11 – O. Henry sez ^5!!!! πŸ™‚

  20. Katfish Avatar

    #15 – Go MsMia GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. bob42 Avatar

    You sir, support perpetuating unnecessary and immoral actions, by your government, on your behalf. You support those immoral actions for irrational reasons unsubstantiated by facts.

    Bobolicious calling anyone else immoral.

    Therefore your childish, simplistic insult is born of authoritarian self righteous ignorance, and is meaningless as an argument in a rational discussion.

  22. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #4 Sarge: That “non violent” protester was defacing private/public property with her spray can, WHICH IS FRIGGEN ILLEGAL. I would not have been as calm as that cop was, I hope the beyotch gets her citizenship revoked and has her irritating self deported back to Egypt where she belongs.
    Mooslimes are the most intolerant bunch on the planet.

  23. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #22 Katfish: You can bet yer bippy that I will be at #29 on 22Oct!

  24. Katfish Avatar

    #23 – Bob cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn – if there WASN’T at the very least (and I’m being quite generous) a modicum of TRUTH – you’d have no reason to reply
    *self BUSTED*

  25. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    β€œDebt is no more an epidemic than being fat is an epidemic. If repaying a debt means we can’t buy a desired McMansion or flashy car, that’s nobody’s fault but your own. Think before you take on debt, or you will be left to deal with the consequences. Unless, of course, we take the path toward a redistributionist society where no one has to pay for their bad judgments. And that, unfortunately, is a real possibility… The decision that faces us now is a simple one: Either we are going to return to being a society and an economy where you have the right to pursue happiness, which allows for people to fail and has a safety net for the poorest of the poor and the sickest of the sick to keep them falling too far or starving in the street … or we will have a society built on a system of spoils and sloth, where redistribution and bailouts are a constant and ever-present aspect of life, and government seeks to guarantee happiness for all β€” and fails.”

    Ben Domenech, here.

  26. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. Looking forward to a rainy spell to clean the pollen out of the air and off surfaces and cooler temps so the windows can be open without pollen consequence. Good start at 68 and light ground mist this morning, plenty of dew on everything.
    It has been raining live oak acorns of all sizes for the past couple of weeks, but the intensity has increased dramatically the last few days. All kinds of birds and herbivores are feasting on the bounty, and grackles come by the flock to browse in the morning. They seem to be particularly attracted to the acorns that fall on the driveway, where many of them have been crushed by cars coming and going. Must conclude the eating is easier when all you have to do is peck the remains rather than crack a hard nut. Squirrels don’t seem to be similarly inclined, perhaps because they mostly carry nuts off to their storage spots and squashed fragments don’t travel well.
    We have a percussion symphony on the house roof as they fall, especially loud on the garden room’s aluminum-sandwich roof that magnifies and reverberates the strikes. Although only one modest branch overhangs that roof, it appears many acorns cutting loose from other branches nearby get blown over there in the frequent breezes. You can tell by the sounds the nature of the impact. They all begin with a loud thwack that can be heard almost everywhere in the house. If they bounce there is a series of lesser boink-boink-boinks until they fall into the rain gutter or onto the patio below. If they roll there’s a steady low-throated growling rumble all the way to the edge.
    There’s a mess on the patio, sidewalks, and driveway every day. Some acorns even bounce onto the front porch. Squashed ones are harder to sweep away so some beige spots remain; the whole ones fly off and bounce on the lawn. Have to watch where you step because they can roll underfoot and cause a slip in stride. They are the wages of having lots of live oaks that shade the yard year round. πŸ™‚

  27. Tedtam Avatar

    Morality can only be defined by those who have a sense of right and wrong, which in essence comes from a Higher Power. If there is no God, there is no sin, hence morality becomes a “relevancy” issue, and can be redefined on a whim. “Good” and “evil” behaviors are defined more by how they affect society than if they obey a set of laws designed for our eternal benefit.
    (Side issue: That is one reason why I have misgivings as to the origin of Islam. I cannot imagine a God ordering the death of his own creations. I could no more order the death of an errant child than I could imagine God ordering me to kill someone who disagrees with His law.)
    Since Bob is an atheist, calling him immoral means little or nothing to him, though it may mean the world to others.

  28. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #26 Isn’t it illegal to exchange something of value for a vote? Isn’t this the definition of bribery? If you give me a phone I will vote for you. This is blatantly illegal and I hope that when RMoney gets to be prez, all those on the giving end get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    When the media starts to object, they need to be prosecuted as well for not declaring the “in kind contributions” they made during the 2008 campaign throughout the disgrace of the ZERO presidency.

  29. Tedtam Avatar

    Our pecans have already started falling, which is unusual. The normal “drop time” doesn’t start until sometime in October. The trees are full, too, probably making up for last year, when we got nuthin’.

    We have a percussion symphony on the house roof as they fall, especially loud on the garden room’s aluminum-sandwich roof that magnifies and reverberates the strikes.
    Although only one modest branch overhangs that roof, it appears many acorns cutting loose from other branches nearby get blown over there in the frequent breezes.
    You can tell by the sounds the nature of the impact. They all begin with a loud thwack that can be heard almost everywhere in the house. If they bounce there is a series of lesser boink-boink-boinks until they fall into the rain gutter or onto the patio below. If they roll there’s a steady low-throated growling rumble all the way to the edge.

    That reminds me of something Handsome’s 1st grade teacher told me. Part of the problem with his central auditory processing disorder is the inability to filter foreground/background noise (the kids shuffling feet and papers, and the a/c unit, were just as loud as the teacher), and the distorted interpretation of noise (he was TERRIFIED of balloons, because of the noise when they popped). Don’t even get me into what thunder could do to him.
    His first year in the special program we found for him, he was still using special equipment to help his brain filter the noise, and there were acorns falling on the roof of their modular, metal building. His teacher told me he thought they sounded like machine guns.
    Poor kid. I cannot even imagine what he went through as a child.

  30. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #30 TT:

    I cannot imagine a God ordering the death of his own creations.

    Read the story of King Saul and his instructions to kill all of the Amelekites. He was specifically ordered to kill them all; man, woman, and child, including all of their animals and burn all of their possessions. King Saul refused this very specific demand and the kingdom was torn from his hand because of it.
    1Samuel15
    In the parable of the wheat and tares, the Messiah makes it clear that some are the children of HIM and others are the children of the evil one. While Messiah did redeem all the people, many will never accept that redemption and are destined to the lake of fire by their own choice.
    THE CREATOR knows who is of HIS flock and who is of the evil one; if HE says go to war and kill, which he did repeatedly in the OT, then to not obey that command is sin, regardless of our personal convictions.

  31. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #5
    Oletimer wins hands down!!!
    πŸ˜€

  32. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #30 crazy aunt
    Let’s find out.
    #23 bob42
    Can you please define the word “moral”? Can we assume that the word “immoral” is its antonym or does it have a more “nuanced” meaning?

  33. Tedtam Avatar

    I guess I’m more o NT Christian. While the OT is important, I focus more on the NT message of forgiveness and mercy.
    Of course, if someone tries to kill me, I am allowed to defend myself.

  34. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #36: Forgiveness and mercy are OT concepts, just read the 18th chapter of Ezekiel to confirm that fact.

  35. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    boobs
    (safe for work)

  36. Tedtam Avatar

    Bonecrusher:

    Read the story of King Saul and his instructions to kill all of the Amelekites. He was specifically ordered to kill them all; man, woman, and child, including all of their animals and burn all of their possessions. King Saul refused this very specific demand and the kingdom was torn from his hand because of it.
    1Samuel15
    In the parable of the wheat and tares, the Messiah makes it clear that some are the children of HIM and others are the children of the evil one. While Messiah did redeem all the people, many will never accept that redemption and are destined to the lake of fire by their own choice.
    THE CREATOR knows who is of HIS flock and who is of the evil one; if HE says go to war and kill, which he did repeatedly in the OT, then to not obey that command is sin, regardless of our personal convictions.

    #36: Forgiveness and mercy are OT concepts, just read the 18th chapter of Ezekiel to confirm that fact.

    Sometimes you just wear me out.

  37. Katfish Avatar

    This sure looks like some WELL SPENT campaign bucks!
    New Romney ad hits Obama on coal, China

  38. bob42 Avatar

    Tedtam, I have one.

    Morality can only be defined by those who have a sense of right and wrong

    It doesn’t require belief in any gods. Suggested reading

    In this constructive response not only to his fellow atheists Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris but also to contemporary religious leaders such as Rick Warren and Jim Wallis, Epstein makes a bold claim for what nonbelievers do share and believe. At a time when the debate about morality rages more fiercely than everβ€”and when millions are searching for something they can put their faith inβ€”Humanism offers a comfort and hope that affirms our ability to live ethical lives of personal fulfillment, aspiring together for the greater good of all.

  39. bob42 Avatar

    #35 Wagonburner, pick a century and assess it by a consistent “morality index” of your choice, then compare that to five centuries earlier and later. It’s a moving target.

    bob42
    Can you please define the word β€œmoral”? Can we assume that the word β€œimmoral” is its antonym or does it have a more β€œnuanced” meaning?

    The presumption that morality is the exclusive issue of a deity is contrary to all recorded history. Additionally, for that presumption to be true, then Tedtam and Bonecrusher would have to resolve their mutually exclusive interpretations of scripture and of god. They both can not possibly be right, but it is very possible that both of them are wrong.

  40. Tedtam Avatar

    Bob, I get the impression that you either didn’t read my whole post, or didn’t understand what I was saying.

  41. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Humanism is a pseudoreligion for people who choose not to believe in God. It is defined by its reliance on individual human thoughts and beliefs that vary both temporally and from person to person.
    In other words, it explicitly lacks an unchanging basis in and of principle.

  42. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #45 Tedtam
    Careful.
    You’re gonna harsh his mellow.

  43. Hamous Avatar

    You sir, support perpetuating unnecessary and immoral actions, by your government, on your behalf. You support those immoral actions for irrational reasons unsubstantiated by facts.

    Sez the man who supports the wholesale butchering of unborn human beings in the name of “liberty”.

  44. bob42 Avatar

    Tedtam, I read it. You and Bonecrusher have incompatible beliefs.
    WB, overall, humanism is a philosophy, but there are religious humanists and secular humanists that share it.

  45. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    If boob men have been since infancy, does me being a leg man mean I was wired as a male puppy?

  46. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #50 bob42
    Yabbut those who consider themselves “religious humanists” either are unclear on the concept, are not really “humanists”, are not true adherents of one of the primary monotheistic faiths, or a combination of two or more of the above.
    Humanism as I have seen it defined is counter to (not just outside of) Roman Catholic doctrine.

  47. Tedtam Avatar

    My whole afternoon is shot.
    /stress is building
    Taking a deep breath. This is not the fun kind of heavy breathing, just so you know.
    In with the good, out with the bad, in with the good, out with the bad….

  48. bob42 Avatar

    Wagonburner, so what?

    Humanism as I have seen it defined is counter to (not just outside of) Roman Catholic doctrine.

    That’s your problem, not mine, not the humanists’, and not a problem for the many belief systems that are counter to your dogma and theology.

  49. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    You want captions? Let me give it a try. Here is my “Top Ten” captions for that picture with a political spin (something I do very well):
    1) We is goin’ to celebrate all those entitlements that our Bro’ Obama got us.
    2) Can’t you tell who we is goin’ vote for?
    3. Couldn’t afford all this without our food stamps.
    4. We is in that 47% group and we is proud of it!!!
    5. We is going to be the entertainment at Obama’s victory celebration in December.
    6. We is Obama supporters dressed in drag. Just in case you didn’t know it.
    7. What do you all’s mean, briefs or boxers, we ain’t wearin’ nothin’ underneath.
    8. We all is gettin’ ready for Halloween, dressed as “Democrats”.
    9. We is all related to President Obama, he just won’t admit it.
    10. Do you all want to see that tattoo of “Obama” on my butt?
    Well, it wasn’t as hard as I thought it would be.

  50. bob42 Avatar

    Presented as a public service by a bunch of immoral heathens who will most certainly spend eternity in hell for refusing to accept the “one true religion” of our nation (whichever one it turns out to be.)

  51. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    If you would like to understand the difference between a government founded on christian principles and a government founded on humanist principles you need look no farther than the results of the American revolution as opposed to the results of the French revolution.

  52. bob42 Avatar

    Fat Albert, as a matter of fact, I do need to look further, and I have done so. This is exactly the kind superficial dominionist propaganda that I expect to hear from David Barton, Glenn Beck, or Rick Perry.

    you need look no farther than the results of the American revolution as opposed to the results of the French revolution.

    Perhaps you’d care to look farther, and point out the many ways in which this nation’s founding principals were exclusively based on Christian principals. And after you accomplish that impossible task, perhaps you could explain why a constitution that you claim was based on Christian principals doesn’t mention the centerpiece of it’s belief system, Jesus Christ the Savior.
    The best of Christian principals are present in many faith traditions that predate Christianity and Judaism. Claiming them as the exclusive result of your chosen religion is irrational, as well as historically inaccurate.

  53. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Christian (or better, Judeo-Christian) principles are not necessarily Christ-centric. There is a great wealth of moral teaching contained in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. This moral teaching has been the foundation of the great civilizations of recent history. The single most important piece of this moral teaching is that there are certain immutable Truths, that there are things that are intrinsically right and things that are intrinsically wrong regardless of the fashions in human thought of the day.
    This is where the Humanists miss the boat and where the term “religious humanist” becomes an oxymoron.

    The best of Christian principals[sic] are present in many faith traditions that predate Christianity and Judaism

    Care to elaborate?

  54. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    But if we look down the course of the ages to the dawn of modern times we make a strange discovery. That same Christian idea of man that had been welcomed as a deliverance was now beginning to be felt as a yoke. And that same God in whom man had learned to see the seal of his own greatness began to seem to him like an antagonist, the enemy of his dignity. Through what misunderstandings and distortions, what mutilations and infidelities, what blinding pride and impatience this came about would take too long to consider. The historical causes are numerous and complex. But the fact remains, simple and solid. No less than the Early Fathers, the great medieval scholars had exalted man by setting forth what the Church had always taught of his relation to God: “In this is man’s greatness, in this is man’s worth, in this he excels every creature.” [11] But the time came when man was no longer moved by it. On the contrary, he began to think that henceforward he would forfeit his self-esteem and be unable to develop in freedom unless he broke first with the Church and then with the Transcendent Being upon whom, according to Christian tradition, he was dependent. At first assuming the aspect of a reversion to paganism, this urge to cut loose increased in scope and momentum in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries until, after many phases and many vicissitudes, it came to a head in the most daring and destructive form of modern atheism: absolute humanism, which claims to be the only genuine kind and inevitably regards a Christian humanism as absurd.

    -excerpt from The Drama of Atheist Humanism by Henri de Lubac

  55. bob42 Avatar

    #62 I read it twice, and it still sounds like mythological nonsense to me. Maybe the entire book is better than your quote from it, or maybe the entire thing is a strawman created as a result of defensiveness. I saw no truth in it.

  56. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Bobo – the ever-frustrated truth seeker.

  57. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Bobo – the ever-frustrated truth avoider.

  58. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge–the ever-frustrated Bobo avoider

  59. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    boboleum jelly, the stuff he uses to get out of a mental jam.

  60. bob42 Avatar

    #61 WB, was it an “immutable Truth” that sin causes disease? That the Earth was something other than spherical and the center of the universe? Or perhaps those were the fashionable (and convenient) human thoughts of bronze age goat herders.

    The single most important piece of this moral teaching is that there are certain immutable Truths, that there are things that are intrinsically right and things that are intrinsically wrong regardless of the fashions in human thought of the day.

    Care to elaborate?

    To do so would be at the risk of repeating myself. But let me start by saying that whatever “immutable Truths” exist are certainly not unique to Christianity, nor has that popular belief system been anywhere close to consistent in its many, varied, and sometimes self-contradictory declarations of them at various times throughout history.
    Am I expected to believe, for example, that before the mythical Moses stumbled down the mount with his stone tablets, murder and theft was not a bad thing? Utter nonsense.
    With the exception of the flat earthers and young earth creationists, most people, regardless of religious belief, accept the scientific fact that we Homo Sapiens have been around for at least 100,000 years. Am I to believe that the author of your conveniently unspecified “immutable Truths,” after creating the entire universe and us (in HIS own image, of course!) stood silently by, hands folded, as his most favored and loved creation enjoyed a life expectancy of <30 years, frequently died of infections, suffered countless famines, floods, earthquakes, endless wars (often over religious beliefs,) and all the other atrocities that history records unfolded before his eyes? Sorry, I'm not buying it!
    Am I to believe that this so meticulously and precisely defined and "involved" deity suddenly decided 94,000 years of ambivalence to human suffering was enough, that it was time to intervene, and that the best place for divine revelation for the sake of mankind was a less than literate portion of the Middle East?
    It's a hard sell for me, WB. You are free to believe what you like. I only complain when your doing so harms others for no rational reason, or when the republican party confuses their god with everyone's government, which they do every damn day.

  61. Hamous Avatar

    To do so would be at the risk of repeating myself.

    When has that ever shut you up?

  62. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #60 Bob:
    OK, let’s see here:

    Perhaps you’d care to look farther, and point out the many ways in which this nation’s founding principals were exclusively based on Christian principals.

    Never said exclusively – that’s a straw man you raised up. I said that the US was founded on Christian Principles. Other people of other faiths and traditions may find those principles good and useful – that does not change the fact that they are indeed Christian principles. You can cause a rose a thistle – that doesn’t change the way it smells.

    Claiming them as the exclusive result of your chosen religion is irrational, as well as historically inaccurate.

    I made no claim of exclusivity. Asserting that I did is the irrational inaccuracy. My God is certainly in no danger of being run over. I am pleased to note that you do recognize the usefulness and truth of Christian principles.

    many faith traditions that predate Christianity and Judaism.

    Interesting. The beginnings of Judaism date back at least 4500 years. Could you list a couple of those “faith traditions” that predate Judaism and exactly what principles they espouse?

    this nation’s founding principals

    I might go farther and state that our nation was founded by by men who were, at the very least, Christian in their world view. This is a fact that is easily demonstrable by simple examining both the public and private writings of the men involved. For the first 200 years or so of our history nobody even tried to assert anything to the contrary. If you wish to dispute the claim – you provide the proof. (And please, for pity’s sake, don’t trot out the tired old “Jefferson wasn’t a Christian” line. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t – but we know that he wasn’t anywhere around when the Constitution was written.
    Finally, I might note that you entirely neglected a discussion of that monument to rational enlightenment and secular humanism – the French Revolution. The perfect example (along with the Bolshevik revolution and Mao’s Long March) of the end result of Man’s rejection of God as the source of all authority. No doubt you’ll get to it some time. Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath waiting. . . . .

  63. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Am I expected to believe, for example, that before the mythical Moses stumbled down the mount with his stone tablets, murder and theft was not a bad thing? Utter nonsense.

    That you would ask such a stupid question demonstrates that you are simply not interested in the truth.
    Moses was not mythical nor was there ever any indication that he stumbled.
    The Law always existed, it was just put in writing with Moses.
    I’ll take lame azzed Bobo BS for $100, Alex. . . . .

  64. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    But let me start by saying that whatever β€œimmutable Truths” exist are certainly not unique to Christianity, nor has that popular belief system been anywhere close to consistent in its many, varied, and sometimes self-contradictory declarations of them at various times throughout history.

    You have a hard time being consistent and non-selfcontradictory in five minutes.
    There are several non-contradictory truths that have been consistently stated over the entire history of the church and in historical Judaism before it. That messy humans are involved makes those truths no less truthful. They do, however form a foundation that lends great consistency to moral thought as expressed over the past few thousand years.
    That people have drifted away from these truths makes them no less truthful. All that is happening now is that you and those like you have decided that you know best what is correct for the rest of civilization, despite all evidence to the contrary, but you are too obtuse to listen or recognize the obvious.

  65. Hamous Avatar

    Heh. Vince Neil is doing Joe Myers commercials now.

  66. Hamous Avatar

    Maybe the fact that I’m a chemist had something to do with me noticing this but I just saw an ExxonMobil commercial talking about investing in science education and teachers. Good idea. We’ve got way too many people with Chinese Egg Painting degrees. In the animation they showed an Erlenmeyer flask with the following chemical compound:
    H2O

  67. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Maybe it was upside-down O2H? πŸ™‚

  68. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Wagonburner.
    You can be on my team anytime.
    Only by Texpat have I ever seen such a complete asskicking.
    Bravo.
    /hands and arms extended, emphasizing exagerated bowing

  69. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK, I just dropped in and have not looked at any of the comments, but I was flipping through the β€œCultural Wasteland” that is cable TV and stumbled across Dennis the Menace talking to three talking heads and all I have to say is that Buckwheat is a complete IDIOT! He shows up on Hannity’s show sometimes and I wonder why they have to ask the stupidest most racist man on the planet anything….Yup I know that I’m a racist….Sigh πŸ™

  70. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    77
    But, considering the quality of the target you only get 80 out of 100 points.

  71. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Less the 1 point OU demerit.

  72. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I wanna be a wagon burner when I grow up.

  73. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Just like Teasips…
    Can’t handle the truth, so they have to equivocate.
    Then they go out and whine about their latest loss and how they wuz robbed because their current QB doesn’t have a weird enough name.

  74. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Please excuse SD for interrupting. πŸ˜€

  75. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I wanna be a wagon burner when I grow up.

    We all do.

  76. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Hey, UT was in the top ten for something or another recently. Oh party school, that was it, close to Texas Christian University.
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/26/14112966-playboy-ranks-university-of-virginia-as-no-1-party-school

  77. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #83 GJT πŸ˜€
    Oh and “Roll Tide”

  78. Tedtam Avatar

    I just arrived back home after making war on a wasp nest in Sweeny. I’m not sure who won. Perhaps we’ll find out in a few days.
    I’m currently re-reading a book “One Last Hug Before I Go,” by Carla Wills-Brandon, PhD. I don’t go for all of her new-age-y stuff (I don’t read the last section of the book), but most of the book is about death bed visions (DBVs) and near death experiences (NDEs). DBVs include messages from the dying to their loved ones as, or after, they pass on. Things like “knowing” when a loved one dies, messages in the form of visitations from the deceased, etc. I personally have family members who have experienced these events. Messages are explicit, and the experiences are personalized. For example, Jesus doesn’t appear to everyone, nor is there just a light, though seeing a light is common.
    The DBVs and NDEs that the author discusses are positive, and as a death therapist, she uses them to help the families cope the loss of a loved one, when they occur. Many times, the messages are to relieve the worries of a loved one. In my family, one such case helped a family member to shed guilt and anger over a death. (This was actually, from what I understand, a rather long visit and “talk”.) She also includes the note that these experiences occur to people of all faiths and experiences.
    In some cases, the events go on over a period of weeks, others just before death. They don’t even exclusively happen to the dying – the opening of the book involves the author’s son, who sees a red-headed boy named “Damus” for quite a while before his beloved grandfather passes away. When asked, their rabbi confirms that “Damus” is on variation on the name of a being in their faith that comes to aid the dying. “Damus” appears only to her son, and her son says that “Damus” came to get grandpa. When the grandfather dies, “Damus” disappears. These visions cannot be blamed on a dying person’s brain chemistry causing hallucinations, as some doctors tell the patients.
    In one quoted source, the dying speaks out about angels coming down the stairs and stepping on a glass which had been left there – and as the other people in the room turn to look, the glass “explodes”.
    If, as atheists believe, that this life is all there is, how do they explain these experiences? If there is no life after death, how can such unexplained yet well-timed events occur? And I’d like to hear an explanation of how these things happen to people with God (however he is interpreted – a Supreme Being), being involved.

  79. Tedtam Avatar

    Imajackwads underlings go on a shopping trip for — shampoo, cheap clothes, and other toiletry items.

    The source added that one Iranian bought a $40 pair of children’s shoes at the Payless store on Fifth Avenue but the purchase nearly wiped out his spending money for the trip.

    While his staff hunted for bargains, the President booked two full floors at the posh hotel where suites cost up to $1,600 a night and had three personal chefs at his beck and call.

    Gotta love those dictators!

  80. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Ms TT
    Brings up a question we were discussing last night, how do the John Edwards type “mediums” square with Christianity, I’d be interested in y’all’s thoughts.

  81. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, one big difference is one doesn’t go consulting the dead. Necromancy is a big no-no in Christianity. In the cases quoted above, they “visited” on their own.

  82. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    That people have drifted away from these truths makes them no less truthful. All that is happening now is that you and those like you have decided that you know best what is correct for the rest of civilization, despite all evidence to the contrary, but you are too obtuse selfish to listen or recognize the obvious.

    Dreaded acronym?? πŸ˜‰

  83. Tedtam Avatar

    I heard about this black guy on the radio yesterday.
    YES!
    “They [the Democrats] think we are stupid!
    It’s ’bout time, that’s all I have to say.

  84. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #93 Tedtam, I’ve heard him several times on at least three different Talk radio shows in the last week. He tells it like it is! πŸ˜‰

  85. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #92 Super Dave
    Nope.
    He’s obtuse.
    Selfishness is a subtrait.

  86. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #91
    I guess I shoulda known that, seems a fine line on the surface.

  87. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    There’s only one team in the world that could make me root for Texas Tech.
    And Notre Dame.
    Yep.
    OU.

  88. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #93 TT

    β€œThey [the Democrats] think we are stupid!”

    Lots are, fer sure. I guess every one has seen the Obama phone video.

  89. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    And here’s a setup. Nitey nite Hamsterville.

  90. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    OK, if you absolutely insist. . . . . .
    Hunnerd!!!
    /sighs wearily. . .

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