Thursday “Not Black Enough” Open Comments

In this post-racial society that was ushered in with our half-black, half-white president, I am shocked – SHOCKED! – that race is being used to prevent a candidate from keeping his office in the Detroit area. Those angry, old white men are beating up on a black man again!
Wait a minute! REWIND!
It’s angry black women who are attacking Rep. Hansen Clarke for not “being black enough”.

Clarke is running against two black women, Mary Waters and Brenda Lawrence, and two white men, state Rep. Gary Peters and Bob Costello. After participating in one debate this election cycle, he says won’t do any more because the racial rhetoric is too intense.
For instance, a racially charged robocall was also reportedly released in the district this week claiming that Clarke was “not black.” Furthermore, Waters previously told the Detroit Free Press she’s the only black resident of Detroit in the race.

And he nails what happens when racism is used to divide and control the constintuency:

“Our region has been so divided based on race it’s actually undercut our economic growth,” Clarke explained. “The only reason we’re the only metro area in the country without mass transit is these politicians want to play race all the time. The costs have been enormous on us.”
“When people believe they’re going to be hassled because of who they are as a person they don’t want to live in that community…Nobody wants to live in a neighborhood where they feel their kids are going to get hassled and threatened and jeered. No employer wants to do that either.”
Instead of continuing to divide voters, Clarke explained he wants to bring everyone together as a multiracial candidate. His mother was Episcopalian, his father a Muslim, and he’s a Roman Catholic.
“You want to talk about race mattering? It does matter. We have young black kids who can’t read who are going to prison in droves, costing us billions of dollars, wasting these young men’s lives, and depressing our economy, robbing us of their contributions. That’s what we need to focus on.”

I seem to remember echoes of the same “not black enough” with other dark-skinned folks, too. Condoleeza Rice was one:

HANNITY: But there is a demographic issue that we cannot ignore, and that is in almost every election, African-Americans, about 90 percent, vote Democratic. And many close friends of mine that are conservative that are African-American are called the most horrific names. What do you make of that phenomena? You were called horrific names. Harry Belafonte comes to mind.
RICE: Yes. And I always told everybody, I’ve been black all my life. You can’t tell me what it means to be black, I don’t need you to tell me what is it to be black. And so, I simply ignore it. And actually, I would say to people that think blacks have to think a particular way, you are the one who is actually prejudiced. If you were looking at somebody who was white, you would not say well, you have to think a particular way. And so if you look at somebody who is black and you say that about them, then check your own prejudice.

Harry kept himself pretty busy disparaging other “not black enough” blacks, like Colin Powell and Herman Cain.
As I was growing up, I was taught that “being black” meant that you had dark skin, not that you had to think a certain way, live your life as a victim, or be content being told how to live your life in return for your vote and a promise of a minimal standard of living. Allen West certainly doesn’t think so, even though the darkness of his skin is being called into question as well.
I am glad that are people like Alfonzo Rachel
Preach it, Zo! And I hope more of our dark-skinned brethren continue to stand up to the stereotypes and lead the way for everyone to learn to think for themselves, instead of simply voting and thinking as their parents and their culture has taught them to do.
Then, perhaps, the Democrats will quit taking their votes for granted. THAT will give them real power. They won’t be taken for granted, then.

Comments

  1. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Don’t even get me started on this one.

  2. El Gordo Avatar

    Don’t even get me started on this one.

  3. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Good work Ms TT, not much left to say. But look on the bright side, it feels like Monday but it’s Thursday! Wahoo!

  4. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Good work Ms TT, not much left to say. But look on the bright side, it feels like Monday but it’s Thursday! Wahoo!

  5. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    As I was growing up, I was taught that “being black” meant that you had dark skin, not that you had to think a certain way, live your life as a victim, or be content being told how to live your life in return for your vote and a promise of a minimal standard of living.

    I would interject that when I was growing up black folks were segregated, restricted from voting and sat in the back of the bus. And I’m not that much older than other folks here. I do not recall anyone presuming to teach me what it was to “be black.”
    Perhaps it was the geographical differences.

  6. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    As I was growing up, I was taught that “being black” meant that you had dark skin, not that you had to think a certain way, live your life as a victim, or be content being told how to live your life in return for your vote and a promise of a minimal standard of living.

    I would interject that when I was growing up black folks were segregated, restricted from voting and sat in the back of the bus. And I’m not that much older than other folks here. I do not recall anyone presuming to teach me what it was to “be black.”
    Perhaps it was the geographical differences.

  7. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    “You want to talk about race mattering? It does matter. We have young black kids who can’t read who are going to prison in droves, costing us billions of dollars, wasting these young men’s lives, and depressing our economy, robbing us of their contributions. That’s what we need to focus on.”

    Kinda sums it up. I would point out we have white and asian kids also who cannot read also. I can understand Representative Clarke focusing on the demographics of his constituency, but I would suggest that instead of focusing on color he may consider directing his efforts towards poverty and services. IMO, just like trying to out conservative each other is a dead end game, so too is trying to out black each other. It’s been my experience that folks respond to a good life for themselves and their kids with access to municipal services.

  8. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    “You want to talk about race mattering? It does matter. We have young black kids who can’t read who are going to prison in droves, costing us billions of dollars, wasting these young men’s lives, and depressing our economy, robbing us of their contributions. That’s what we need to focus on.”

    Kinda sums it up. I would point out we have white and asian kids also who cannot read also. I can understand Representative Clarke focusing on the demographics of his constituency, but I would suggest that instead of focusing on color he may consider directing his efforts towards poverty and services. IMO, just like trying to out conservative each other is a dead end game, so too is trying to out black each other. It’s been my experience that folks respond to a good life for themselves and their kids with access to municipal services.

  9. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And as this blows up, I would point out that I am not disparaging anyone’s experiences growing up or questioning how many black friends you had or hours spent in a soup kitchen in the ghetto. Where I grew up we did not have signs that said “Colored Only” or churches bombed. While I can imagine the effect it had on whites or colored, my imagination is not the same as the experience.
    I will concede some folks come by their hate naturally and there isn’t much one can do about it, but move on past them.

  10. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And as this blows up, I would point out that I am not disparaging anyone’s experiences growing up or questioning how many black friends you had or hours spent in a soup kitchen in the ghetto. Where I grew up we did not have signs that said “Colored Only” or churches bombed. While I can imagine the effect it had on whites or colored, my imagination is not the same as the experience.
    I will concede some folks come by their hate naturally and there isn’t much one can do about it, but move on past them.

  11. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Can you Liberals stop living in the 1960s?

  12. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Can you Liberals stop living in the 1960s?

  13. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’dayafter all. Great family reunion yestiddy. 40 odd people (and a few not so odd one’s). Lotsa snacking, eating, swimming and boating. All the kids remained strangers for, oh, maybe 3 minutes. Adult beverages were available but not a single drunk. IMO, we had the best fireworks on the lake. The whole thing went off without a hitch, thanks to all the effort put forth by wife Dee and niece Tiffany.

  14. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’dayafter all. Great family reunion yestiddy. 40 odd people (and a few not so odd one’s). Lotsa snacking, eating, swimming and boating. All the kids remained strangers for, oh, maybe 3 minutes. Adult beverages were available but not a single drunk. IMO, we had the best fireworks on the lake. The whole thing went off without a hitch, thanks to all the effort put forth by wife Dee and niece Tiffany.

  15. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    So ok, we are the south and a bunch of racists. We get it, now what? Do we ever try to turn the page?

  16. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    So ok, we are the south and a bunch of racists. We get it, now what? Do we ever try to turn the page?

  17. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    It ain’t a real family reunion without a drunk.

  18. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    It ain’t a real family reunion without a drunk.

  19. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #6 – Sarge AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMEN (but SO “not fair” Pahdnah)

    I mean have they milked their ‘fair share’ of race baiting yet?

    After all it’s only been 5 DECADES for goodness sakes!

  20. Katfish Avatar

    #6 – Sarge AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMEN (but SO “not fair” Pahdnah)
    I mean have they milked their ‘fair share’ of race baiting yet?
    After all it’s only been 5 DECADES for goodness sakes!

  21. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    So ok, we are the south and a bunch of racists.

    Nope not at all and not what I’m saying.
    My point is that it would be presumptuous of me to say vote for me because I understand the Texas of an older generation, I don’t. I don’t know what it’s like to be Hispanic or Viet Namese, and I doubt very seriously that it can be “taught.”

    Representative Clarke is not black, anymore than little Sambo is. He’s running in a demographic containing black voters, so yes there are challengers who will play to their identity strengths.

  22. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    So ok, we are the south and a bunch of racists.

    Nope not at all and not what I’m saying.
    My point is that it would be presumptuous of me to say vote for me because I understand the Texas of an older generation, I don’t. I don’t know what it’s like to be Hispanic or Viet Namese, and I doubt very seriously that it can be “taught.”
    Representative Clarke is not black, anymore than little Sambo is. He’s running in a demographic containing black voters, so yes there are challengers who will play to their identity strengths.

  23. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #9 GJT

    Back slapping joking- good
    Tear in beer, I’m gonna whup up on you- bad

  24. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #9 GJT
    Back slapping joking- good
    Tear in beer, I’m gonna whup up on you- bad

  25. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    OTL, most I’ve seen have at least one of the latter. 😀

  26. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    OTL, most I’ve seen have at least one of the latter. 😀

  27. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Representative Clarke is not black, anymore than little Black Sambo is. He’s running in a demographic containing black voters, so yes there are challengers who will play to their identity strengths.

    Interesting take on race, there Whitey

    Congressman Hansen Clarke was elected to represent the 13th Congressional District of the United States House of Representatives in November 2010. The district covers the eastside of Detroit, Harper Woods, all the Grosse Pointes, Ecorse, Lincoln Park, River Rouge, and Wyandotte. Congressman Clarke serves on the House Committee on Homeland Security and the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and as the Vice-President of the Democratic Freshman Class. He also is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

    snip

    Born and raised in the 13th Congressional District, Congressman Hansen Clarke spent most of his life on the lower eastside of Detroit. As the son of an African-American mother and Indian father, he was exposed to diverse experiences and ways of thinking. His mother, Thelma Clarke, was a school crossing guard, and his father, Mozaffar Ali Hashim, was an UAW member who worked in the Ford foundry. Hansen’s mother raised him as a single parent after his father died when Hansen was only eight years old.

    Congressman Clarke is married to Choi Palms-Cohen.

    His wife has an interesting bio, too.

    Perhaps the president, the son of an African father and a white American mother, identified with the future congressman. A native Detroiter, Clarke is the son of a Bangladeshi father and an African American mother. Raised as a Muslim, he converted to Catholicism as a young man.

    Palms-Cohen’s background is equally diverse. At three, she was adopted from a Korean orphanage by Ann Arbor nursery school teacher Jeannine Palms and David Cohen, a teacher and social justice activist. Palms was raised Catholic and Cohen Jewish, so they exposed their daughter to both faiths. (She now describes herself as “agnostic.”)

    Her parents divorced when she was seven, and Jeannine, who runs Blossom House preschool, later married Dale Petty, a Washtenaw Community College instructor. David Cohen, a dialysis patient most of his life, died when Palms-Cohen was a junior at Community High. “I miss him every day of my life,” she says. She gets comfort from knowing how

    This guy is a textbook Democrat.

    You’re right, no way he can represent a majority Black distrit in a manner that would benefit Black people.

    Democrats don’t do that.

  28. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Representative Clarke is not black, anymore than little Black Sambo is. He’s running in a demographic containing black voters, so yes there are challengers who will play to their identity strengths.

    Interesting take on race, there Whitey

    Congressman Hansen Clarke was elected to represent the 13th Congressional District of the United States House of Representatives in November 2010. The district covers the eastside of Detroit, Harper Woods, all the Grosse Pointes, Ecorse, Lincoln Park, River Rouge, and Wyandotte. Congressman Clarke serves on the House Committee on Homeland Security and the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and as the Vice-President of the Democratic Freshman Class. He also is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.
    snip
    Born and raised in the 13th Congressional District, Congressman Hansen Clarke spent most of his life on the lower eastside of Detroit. As the son of an African-American mother and Indian father, he was exposed to diverse experiences and ways of thinking. His mother, Thelma Clarke, was a school crossing guard, and his father, Mozaffar Ali Hashim, was an UAW member who worked in the Ford foundry. Hansen’s mother raised him as a single parent after his father died when Hansen was only eight years old.
    Congressman Clarke is married to Choi Palms-Cohen.

    His wife has an interesting bio, too.

    Perhaps the president, the son of an African father and a white American mother, identified with the future congressman. A native Detroiter, Clarke is the son of a Bangladeshi father and an African American mother. Raised as a Muslim, he converted to Catholicism as a young man.
    Palms-Cohen’s background is equally diverse. At three, she was adopted from a Korean orphanage by Ann Arbor nursery school teacher Jeannine Palms and David Cohen, a teacher and social justice activist. Palms was raised Catholic and Cohen Jewish, so they exposed their daughter to both faiths. (She now describes herself as “agnostic.”)
    Her parents divorced when she was seven, and Jeannine, who runs Blossom House preschool, later married Dale Petty, a Washtenaw Community College instructor. David Cohen, a dialysis patient most of his life, died when Palms-Cohen was a junior at Community High. “I miss him every day of my life,” she says. She gets comfort from knowing how

    This guy is a textbook Democrat.
    You’re right, no way he can represent a majority Black distrit in a manner that would benefit Black people.
    Democrats don’t do that.

  29. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I bet Shimmysham thought hansen was a Republican.

  30. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I bet Shimmysham thought hansen was a Republican.

  31. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    #11
    Shammy

    Well y’all do an awful lot of enabling of this kind of politics, knowing it’s a bunch of ginned up horse manure, knowing it’s not good for the country or the minorities. It is shameful.

  32. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #11
    Shammy
    Well y’all do an awful lot of enabling of this kind of politics, knowing it’s a bunch of ginned up horse manure, knowing it’s not good for the country or the minorities. It is shameful.

  33. Tedtam Avatar

    #3 Shammy

    I would interject that when I was growing up black folks were segregated, restricted from voting and sat in the back of the bus. And I’m not that much older than other folks here. I do not recall anyone presuming to teach me what it was to “be black.”

    Perhaps you are much older than I. Growing up, we didn’t have many blacks in our school, but the ones we had were extremely popular. I never saw any segregation, nor saw any discrimination. We all loved our janitors, which were a Hispanic couple. The M/M Uresti were adoptive grandma and grandpa to many of us as we were making our way through junior high – black, white, or hispanic. Several of my heartthrobs were Mexican, though they never asked me out.

    Yeah, discrimination sucked, when/where I grew up.

  34. Tedtam Avatar

    #3 Shammy

    I would interject that when I was growing up black folks were segregated, restricted from voting and sat in the back of the bus. And I’m not that much older than other folks here. I do not recall anyone presuming to teach me what it was to “be black.”

    Perhaps you are much older than I. Growing up, we didn’t have many blacks in our school, but the ones we had were extremely popular. I never saw any segregation, nor saw any discrimination. We all loved our janitors, which were a Hispanic couple. The M/M Uresti were adoptive grandma and grandpa to many of us as we were making our way through junior high – black, white, or hispanic. Several of my heartthrobs were Mexican, though they never asked me out.
    Yeah, discrimination sucked, when/where I grew up.

  35. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I did my research on Representative Clarke before I posted. For those unfamiliar with the story, Little Black Sambo was Indian. Clarke’s background is Bengladeshi, an important distinction to those from that part of the world.

    This guy is a textbook Democrat.

    Pretty much sums it up. That he has opponents who unashamedly work their demographics is not a new trend in politics.

  36. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I did my research on Representative Clarke before I posted. For those unfamiliar with the story, Little Black Sambo was Indian. Clarke’s background is Bengladeshi, an important distinction to those from that part of the world.

    This guy is a textbook Democrat.

    Pretty much sums it up. That he has opponents who unashamedly work their demographics is not a new trend in politics.

  37. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Ms tam

    My intentions were not to rub you the wrong way, perhaps it’s just the figure of speech. It just struck me as odd that a person could no more be “taught to be black,” anymore than I could be “taught to be Roman Catholic” by living in a Roman Catholic community or “taught to be Muslim” by living in Saudi Arabia.

  38. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Ms tam
    My intentions were not to rub you the wrong way, perhaps it’s just the figure of speech. It just struck me as odd that a person could no more be “taught to be black,” anymore than I could be “taught to be Roman Catholic” by living in a Roman Catholic community or “taught to be Muslim” by living in Saudi Arabia.

  39. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Give it up, folks. He’s so ate up with race/identity politics it’s all he knows.

  40. Hamous Avatar

    Give it up, folks. He’s so ate up with race/identity politics it’s all he knows.

  41. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    The illegals come here, hang around day labor sites, and work. The Asian immigrants excel in school (they won’t allow them to be considered minorities for SAT extras and so forth because they work hard at their studies and do well in academics). What do several generations of welfare recipients do to distinguish themselves? Those that do are immediately labeled Uncle Toms (like any of them actually read or knows anything about Uncle Tom’s Cabin) – the poverty pimps cannot allow them off the plantation. Once they discover that they can actually succeed on their own (and I happen to believe that they can) the Dems are finished. I guess that makes me a racist.

  42. El Gordo Avatar

    The illegals come here, hang around day labor sites, and work. The Asian immigrants excel in school (they won’t allow them to be considered minorities for SAT extras and so forth because they work hard at their studies and do well in academics). What do several generations of welfare recipients do to distinguish themselves? Those that do are immediately labeled Uncle Toms (like any of them actually read or knows anything about Uncle Tom’s Cabin) – the poverty pimps cannot allow them off the plantation. Once they discover that they can actually succeed on their own (and I happen to believe that they can) the Dems are finished. I guess that makes me a racist.

  43. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    A short trip down memory lane, I grew up in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
    My neighbors were Packers, negro and white. The only negroes in our school were Packer children. It wasn’t a matter of skin color but community. Any racial baggage that folks brought in with them, rapidly disappeared or was self repressed by social pressure. No school desegregation. The black kids were well to do and financially secure. But, I imagine that if you ask them they would have a different take, high school is hard on everybody.
    This doesn’t mean that there wasn’t discrimination. Without the necessary social reinforcements, we had to make do with the poorer Belgian and Polish communities. Mrs. Shamaal’s of Belgian ancestry. The migrants also had a bad reputation as did the Gypsies.
    Not having many negroes though did have a downside, the Ku Klux Klan had to fall back on the secondary and tertiary prejudices and burn crosses across from Roman Catholic churches.

  44. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    A short trip down memory lane, I grew up in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
    My neighbors were Packers, negro and white. The only negroes in our school were Packer children. It wasn’t a matter of skin color but community. Any racial baggage that folks brought in with them, rapidly disappeared or was self repressed by social pressure. No school desegregation. The black kids were well to do and financially secure. But, I imagine that if you ask them they would have a different take, high school is hard on everybody.
    This doesn’t mean that there wasn’t discrimination. Without the necessary social reinforcements, we had to make do with the poorer Belgian and Polish communities. Mrs. Shamaal’s of Belgian ancestry. The migrants also had a bad reputation as did the Gypsies.
    Not having many negroes though did have a downside, the Ku Klux Klan had to fall back on the secondary and tertiary prejudices and burn crosses across from Roman Catholic churches.

  45. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    What do several generations of welfare recipients do to distinguish themselves?

    With the large majority of welfare recipients being non-black this is indeed a good question.

  46. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    What do several generations of welfare recipients do to distinguish themselves?

    With the large majority of welfare recipients being non-black this is indeed a good question.

  47. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    *pulling waders all the way up to my NECK*

  48. Katfish Avatar

    *pulling waders all the way up to my NECK*

  49. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Clarke’s background is Bengladeshi, an important distinction to those from that part of the world.

    Then how did he become a member of the Congressional Black Caucus?

    Oh wait–

    You’re the guys who say something is not a tax, its a penalty and its constitutional because its a tax not a penalty.

  50. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Clarke’s background is Bengladeshi, an important distinction to those from that part of the world.

    Then how did he become a member of the Congressional Black Caucus?
    Oh wait–
    You’re the guys who say something is not a tax, its a penalty and its constitutional because its a tax not a penalty.

  51. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See, folks.

    He’s Black enough to be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. But he’s not Black enough to be Black.

  52. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See, folks.
    He’s Black enough to be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. But he’s not Black enough to be Black.

  53. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    With his constituency being African-American, I can understand the line of attack. His opponents are claiming that his mother was white, he claims his mother was a light skinned black woman. It’s his mother, he should know.

  54. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    With his constituency being African-American, I can understand the line of attack. His opponents are claiming that his mother was white, he claims his mother was a light skinned black woman. It’s his mother, he should know.

  55. Tedtam Avatar

    It’s his mother, it shouldn’t matter.
    Period.

    The ones screaming racism always seem to be the first to use racism against others.

  56. Tedtam Avatar

    It’s his mother, it shouldn’t matter.
    Period.
    The ones screaming racism always seem to be the first to use racism against others.

  57. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #28 –

    The ones screaming racism always seem to be the first to use racism against others.

    CHECK your CARDS folks we havva BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  58. Katfish Avatar

    #28 –

    The ones screaming racism always seem to be the first to use racism against others.

    CHECK your CARDS folks we havva BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    27 shamaal says:
    July 5, 2012 at 9:37 am
    With his constituency being African-American, I can understand the line of attack. His opponents are claiming that his mother was white, he claims his mother was a light skinned black woman. It’s his mother, he should know.

    Yeah.

    And its such a pretty thing isn’t it? Just the klind of thing we need to bring us all together. Democrats have thier fingers on the pulse of America.

  60. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    27 shamaal says:
    July 5, 2012 at 9:37 am
    With his constituency being African-American, I can understand the line of attack. His opponents are claiming that his mother was white, he claims his mother was a light skinned black woman. It’s his mother, he should know.

    Yeah.
    And its such a pretty thing isn’t it? Just the klind of thing we need to bring us all together. Democrats have thier fingers on the pulse of America.

  61. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    All politics is local.
    If the African-American angle doesn’t pan out he will win. As I understand it he has a comfortable margin. Charlie Rangel’s in a largely Dominican neighborhood and that’s a major factor. Gene Greene’s in a Hispanic neighborhood and it wouldn’t be the first time that he had an opponent who claimed that Greene couldn’t represent the district because he wasn’t Hispanic.
    When the primaries are over, the Republicans will put up an opponent against Clarke. If there is traction with Representative Clarke on this topic, they will run an African-American if they can find a person who measures up to their exacting standards. If they have an African-American, he’ll use the same line of attack, if the opponent is white – he’ll claim race doesn’t matter.
    I’m beginning to suspect that some of the people here are new to politics. 😉

  62. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    All politics is local.
    If the African-American angle doesn’t pan out he will win. As I understand it he has a comfortable margin. Charlie Rangel’s in a largely Dominican neighborhood and that’s a major factor. Gene Greene’s in a Hispanic neighborhood and it wouldn’t be the first time that he had an opponent who claimed that Greene couldn’t represent the district because he wasn’t Hispanic.
    When the primaries are over, the Republicans will put up an opponent against Clarke. If there is traction with Representative Clarke on this topic, they will run an African-American if they can find a person who measures up to their exacting standards. If they have an African-American, he’ll use the same line of attack, if the opponent is white – he’ll claim race doesn’t matter.
    I’m beginning to suspect that some of the people here are new to politics. 😉

  63. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    A good article in the Chronicle today regarding the ban on cans on the Guadalupe River.
    Liquor store owners are claiming that the can ban is cutting into their sales and contributing to a drop in tubers. The residents, supposedly not involved in the tourist trade, aren’t that upset at the drop in rowdyism and trash.

    When it comes to new laws, Texas usually saves its bewilderment for ones from Washington. But this scorching summer, it’s a single city ordinance on the popular Guadalupe River that is stirring frustration and confusion.
    So, just to clear things up: Boozing while tubing is still legal.

  64. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    A good article in the Chronicle today regarding the ban on cans on the Guadalupe River.
    Liquor store owners are claiming that the can ban is cutting into their sales and contributing to a drop in tubers. The residents, supposedly not involved in the tourist trade, aren’t that upset at the drop in rowdyism and trash.

    When it comes to new laws, Texas usually saves its bewilderment for ones from Washington. But this scorching summer, it’s a single city ordinance on the popular Guadalupe River that is stirring frustration and confusion.
    So, just to clear things up: Boozing while tubing is still legal.

  65. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Senator Cornyn’s looking to open up another international bridge at Del Rio, there’s so much that NAFTA promised us that hasn’t been realized yet.

    In a brief tour of two South Texas border cities this week, Sen. John Cornyn heard often about the need for better infrastructure at ports of entry to facilitate trade with Mexico.
    Cornyn, a Texas Republican and a hawk on border security, used the opportunity to tout a bill he has pending in the Senate that would allow for more public-private partnerships to increase staffing at ports of entry and improve infrastructure.

  66. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Senator Cornyn’s looking to open up another international bridge at Del Rio, there’s so much that NAFTA promised us that hasn’t been realized yet.

    In a brief tour of two South Texas border cities this week, Sen. John Cornyn heard often about the need for better infrastructure at ports of entry to facilitate trade with Mexico.
    Cornyn, a Texas Republican and a hawk on border security, used the opportunity to tout a bill he has pending in the Senate that would allow for more public-private partnerships to increase staffing at ports of entry and improve infrastructure.

  67. Tedtam Avatar

    #31 Sham

    I’m beginning to suspect that some of the people here are new to politics.

    We’re not new to politics.
    Just tired of the hypocrisy of the race card.
    And you knew that, didn’t you? 😉

  68. Tedtam Avatar

    #31 Sham

    I’m beginning to suspect that some of the people here are new to politics.

    We’re not new to politics.
    Just tired of the hypocrisy of the race card.
    And you knew that, didn’t you? 😉

  69. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And you knew that, didn’t you?

    Well I didn’t say everybody was new. 😉
    And I can tell folks are upset at race baiting by the hue and cry over the attention paid by a particular party over Elizabeth Warren’s supposed Cherokee ancestry.

  70. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And you knew that, didn’t you?

    Well I didn’t say everybody was new. 😉
    And I can tell folks are upset at race baiting by the hue and cry over the attention paid by a particular party over Elizabeth Warren’s supposed Cherokee ancestry.

  71. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    An interesting essay on gun control laws

    B. Overview of the Evidence on Crime
    There have been five qualitatively different tests confirming that right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime. These studies show that vio-lent crime falls after right-to-carry laws are adopted, with bigger drops the longer the right-to-carry laws are in effect.37
    Great differences exist across states in how difficult it is to obtain a concealed carry permit, and that difficulty determines the percen-tage of the population that obtains permits. Also it takes about eight years or so before the state reaches the steady state rate of permit holding. The size of the drop in violent crime depends on the per-cent of the population with permits. The greater the percentage of the population with permits, the bigger the drop in violent crime.
    Concealed carry laws have different impacts on different types of crime. Violent crime falls relative to property crime.

    http://www.law.umaryland.edu/academics/journals/mdlr/print/articles/71_4_1205.pdf

    h/t Instapundit

  72. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    An interesting essay on gun control laws

    B. Overview of the Evidence on Crime
    There have been five qualitatively different tests confirming that right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime. These studies show that vio-lent crime falls after right-to-carry laws are adopted, with bigger drops the longer the right-to-carry laws are in effect.37
    Great differences exist across states in how difficult it is to obtain a concealed carry permit, and that difficulty determines the percen-tage of the population that obtains permits. Also it takes about eight years or so before the state reaches the steady state rate of permit holding. The size of the drop in violent crime depends on the per-cent of the population with permits. The greater the percentage of the population with permits, the bigger the drop in violent crime.
    Concealed carry laws have different impacts on different types of crime. Violent crime falls relative to property crime.

    http://www.law.umaryland.edu/academics/journals/mdlr/print/articles/71_4_1205.pdf
    h/t Instapundit

  73. Tedtam Avatar

    Different topic, dude. Warren was trying to claim to be something she wasn’t in order to manipulate voters’ attitudes towards her. Lying is one thing.

    Race card hypocrisy is different.

    Get your games straight. Republicans don’t give a rat’s wiss what color people are or where their parents came from.

  74. Tedtam Avatar

    Different topic, dude. Warren was trying to claim to be something she wasn’t in order to manipulate voters’ attitudes towards her. Lying is one thing.
    Race card hypocrisy is different.
    Get your games straight. Republicans don’t give a rat’s wiss what color people are or where their parents came from.

  75. Tedtam Avatar

    Re: guns

    I was watching reruns of “The Rifleman” yesterday. One episode had Mark McCain hating his dad’s rifle because a scuffle between him and another jackwiss kid who grabbed the gun ended up with a friend of his dying from a gunshot. Luca McCain tried to reason with his son, telling him “a rifle is just a tool, like a shovel or an axe” and pointed out all the people who were alive because of the rifle. Mark resisted this line of reasoning, and was in the process of running away when circumstances forced him to realize that the rifle was, as his dad said, a tool of both good and evil. At the end of the episode, Mark admitted to his father that it was easier to hate the gun than to face his own guilt over the shooting.

    You’d be hard pressed to find that kind of message in today’s cinema.

  76. Tedtam Avatar

    Re: guns
    I was watching reruns of “The Rifleman” yesterday. One episode had Mark McCain hating his dad’s rifle because a scuffle between him and another jackwiss kid who grabbed the gun ended up with a friend of his dying from a gunshot. Luca McCain tried to reason with his son, telling him “a rifle is just a tool, like a shovel or an axe” and pointed out all the people who were alive because of the rifle. Mark resisted this line of reasoning, and was in the process of running away when circumstances forced him to realize that the rifle was, as his dad said, a tool of both good and evil. At the end of the episode, Mark admitted to his father that it was easier to hate the gun than to face his own guilt over the shooting.
    You’d be hard pressed to find that kind of message in today’s cinema.

  77. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Different topic, dude. Warren was trying to claim to be something she wasn’t in order to manipulate voters’ attitudes towards her. Lying is one thing.

    Bingo!
    Representative Clarke is claiming to be African-American, his opponents claim he is not. And they both believe it matters to their constituency.

  78. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Different topic, dude. Warren was trying to claim to be something she wasn’t in order to manipulate voters’ attitudes towards her. Lying is one thing.

    Bingo!
    Representative Clarke is claiming to be African-American, his opponents claim he is not. And they both believe it matters to their constituency.

  79. bob42 Avatar

    Breakfast of champions: Teriyaki Chicken Ka-bob42s

    Marinade:
    Soy sauce
    White wine
    Steens Syrup
    Pineapple juice
    Lemon juice
    Garlic
    Ginger
    Onion

  80. bob42 Avatar

    Breakfast of champions: Teriyaki Chicken Ka-bob42s
    Marinade:
    Soy sauce
    White wine
    Steens Syrup
    Pineapple juice
    Lemon juice
    Garlic
    Ginger
    Onion

  81. Tedtam Avatar

    Walter Williams filling in for Rush today. Ah LAHKS it when he fills in.

  82. Tedtam Avatar

    Walter Williams filling in for Rush today. Ah LAHKS it when he fills in.

  83. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    It’s Official!

    Bare-breasted kinematics significantly increased with cup size during running.

    Why don’t I get R&D projects like this?

  84. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    It’s Official!

    Bare-breasted kinematics significantly increased with cup size during running.

    Why don’t I get R&D projects like this?

  85. Tedtam Avatar

    Bingo!
    Representative Clarke is claiming to be African-American, his opponents claim he is not. And they both believe it matters to their constituency.

    Noooooo – you are purposely not understanding my point:

    Different topic, dude. Warren was trying to claim to be something she wasn’t in order to manipulate voters’ attitudes towards her. Lying is one thing.

    Race card hypocrisy is different.

    Get your games straight. Republicans don’t give a rat’s wiss what color people are or where their parents came from.

    Lying. Warren lied.
    Race card. Democrats are using a pigment level to determine if someone is “black enough” to represent them.

    Pigment levels don’t matter. Lying does.

    Moving on…

  86. Tedtam Avatar

    Bingo!
    Representative Clarke is claiming to be African-American, his opponents claim he is not. And they both believe it matters to their constituency.

    Noooooo – you are purposely not understanding my point:

    Different topic, dude. Warren was trying to claim to be something she wasn’t in order to manipulate voters’ attitudes towards her. Lying is one thing.
    Race card hypocrisy is different.
    Get your games straight. Republicans don’t give a rat’s wiss what color people are or where their parents came from.

    Lying. Warren lied.
    Race card. Democrats are using a pigment level to determine if someone is “black enough” to represent them.
    Pigment levels don’t matter. Lying does.
    Moving on…

  87. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Bingo!
    Representative ClarkeThe Congressional Black Caucus is claiming to be African-American, his opponents claim he is not. And they both believe it matters to their constituency.

  88. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Bingo!
    Representative ClarkeThe Congressional Black Caucus is claiming to be African-American, his opponents claim he is not. And they both believe it matters to their constituency.

  89. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See? He’s Black except for when he’s not.

    That’s how Democrats think.

  90. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See? He’s Black except for when he’s not.
    That’s how Democrats think.

  91. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I think it was Shannon last week, who claimed to be at stick insect central. Now we know what they were doing, at least the tantric types.

    “The Indian stick insect Necroscia sparaxes may remain coupled for up to 79 days (a record for insects)”…Intromission may occur only initially or intermittently. In either case, a substantial proportion of male time-investment is not spent in ejaculate transfer. “

    Merely a coincidence, but I understand it takes 79 days to play the entire Barry White boxed collection. 😉

  92. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I think it was Shannon last week, who claimed to be at stick insect central. Now we know what they were doing, at least the tantric types.

    “The Indian stick insect Necroscia sparaxes may remain coupled for up to 79 days (a record for insects)”…Intromission may occur only initially or intermittently. In either case, a substantial proportion of male time-investment is not spent in ejaculate transfer. “

    Merely a coincidence, but I understand it takes 79 days to play the entire Barry White boxed collection. 😉

  93. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Get your games straight.

    He knows the game very well and the name of the game is obfuscation. You’re assuming he is being honest in his argument. Big mistake.

  94. Hamous Avatar

    Get your games straight.

    He knows the game very well and the name of the game is obfuscation. You’re assuming he is being honest in his argument. Big mistake.

  95. Tedtam Avatar

    #46 Shammy

    Merely a coincidence, but I understand it takes 79 days to play the entire Barry White boxed collection.

    😀

    #47 Hammy

    He knows the game very well and the name of the game is obfuscation. You’re assuming he is being honest in his argument. Big mistake.

    Once again, you are so right.

  96. Tedtam Avatar

    #46 Shammy

    Merely a coincidence, but I understand it takes 79 days to play the entire Barry White boxed collection.

    😀
    #47 Hammy

    He knows the game very well and the name of the game is obfuscation. You’re assuming he is being honest in his argument. Big mistake.

    Once again, you are so right.

  97. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Race card. Democrats are using a pigment level to determine if someone is “black enough” to represent them.

    Not exactly, it’s a heritage claim – African-American as opposed to Bengladeshi.
    The hue of his skin hasn’t entered into the discussion, until now.

    The question facing Rep. Hansen Clarke in Detroit’s 14th District Democratic primary is not where he was born, but whether or not he can trace his lineage to Africa. In other words, is Clarke half-black, as he claims, or was his mother actually white, as her death certificate states?
    “She was a light-skinned black woman,” says Clarke, who is refusing to participate in candidate forums because his mother’s race has become an issue in the campaign. “She was a very bitter woman who tried to pass as white.”

  98. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Race card. Democrats are using a pigment level to determine if someone is “black enough” to represent them.

    Not exactly, it’s a heritage claim – African-American as opposed to Bengladeshi.
    The hue of his skin hasn’t entered into the discussion, until now.

    The question facing Rep. Hansen Clarke in Detroit’s 14th District Democratic primary is not where he was born, but whether or not he can trace his lineage to Africa. In other words, is Clarke half-black, as he claims, or was his mother actually white, as her death certificate states?
    “She was a light-skinned black woman,” says Clarke, who is refusing to participate in candidate forums because his mother’s race has become an issue in the campaign. “She was a very bitter woman who tried to pass as white.”

  99. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Curious.
    Was there ever segregation in Wisconsin?

  100. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Curious.
    Was there ever segregation in Wisconsin?

  101. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Of course there was, we were up to out armpits in reservations, and Wisconsin was the last state to convert.

  102. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Of course there was, we were up to out armpits in reservations, and Wisconsin was the last state to convert.

  103. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    RE: Being “black enough”;

    Irs Rep. Hansen Clarke “Blackenese“?

    And, for further enjoyement: “Don’t you ever touch a black man’s radio“.

    WARNING: Vulgar wording of the glutinous maximus and feces.

  104. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    RE: Being “black enough”;
    Irs Rep. Hansen Clarke “Blackenese“?
    And, for further enjoyement: “Don’t you ever touch a black man’s radio“.
    WARNING: Vulgar wording of the glutinous maximus and feces.

  105. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I was asking about blacks not aboriginals.

  106. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I was asking about blacks not aboriginals.

  107. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Also in our post racial society…

    George Zimmerman was grantede a second bond. The first was set at $150,000. Thast bond was revoked after it was discovered that Zimmerman’s wife had inncurately disclosed to the court how much money they had. apparently she grossely under reported their money. The new bond is…

    Judge Sets Zimmerman Bond at $1 Million

    I wish I could find the equivalent of 7 times the wealth I believe I have.

  108. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Also in our post racial society…
    George Zimmerman was grantede a second bond. The first was set at $150,000. Thast bond was revoked after it was discovered that Zimmerman’s wife had inncurately disclosed to the court how much money they had. apparently she grossely under reported their money. The new bond is…
    Judge Sets Zimmerman Bond at $1 Million
    I wish I could find the equivalent of 7 times the wealth I believe I have.

  109. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shamaal #49;

    The question facing Rep. Hansen Clarke in Detroit’s 14th District Democratic primary is not where he was born, but whether or not he can trace his lineage to Africa. In other words, is Clarke half-black, as he claims, or was his mother actually white, as her death certificate states?

    “She was a light-skinned black woman,” says Clarke, who is refusing to participate in candidate forums because his mother’s race has become an issue in the campaign. “She was a very bitter woman who tried to pass as white.”

    Who cares?

  110. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shamaal #49;

    The question facing Rep. Hansen Clarke in Detroit’s 14th District Democratic primary is not where he was born, but whether or not he can trace his lineage to Africa. In other words, is Clarke half-black, as he claims, or was his mother actually white, as her death certificate states?
    “She was a light-skinned black woman,” says Clarke, who is refusing to participate in candidate forums because his mother’s race has become an issue in the campaign. “She was a very bitter woman who tried to pass as white.”

    Who cares?

  111. Tedtam Avatar

    #55 Darren

    Who cares?

    DING DING DING DING DING!
    My point exactly.

  112. Tedtam Avatar

    #55 Darren

    Who cares?

    DING DING DING DING DING!
    My point exactly.

  113. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #53 Shannon
    Sorry, legislative desegregation was the first thing that came to mind, we’ll skip the Polish, Belgian and German segregation also. We’ll focus on a specific race.

    I’m not aware of legislated mandatory desegregation of the negro race from whites. There are those who would argue, correctly I believe, that institutional segregation was rampant. That is, based on historical custom based on popular prejudices. All the popular institutional methods were used – red lining neighborhoods, school districts created along racial lines, etc.

    Changing the topic slightly to discrimination, we had that in uhh spades abundance. Milwaukee was ground zero with a large negro population and an activist Roman Catholic community. Both Father Groppi and Father Berrigan were on television almost daily and riots in Milwaukee occurred on a number of occasions. The national guard was called out and the Federal Courts were involved. I don’t know if they bused students, but the school districts were drawn on racial lines.
    Milwaukee really wasn’t the town of theHappy Days television show. I had cousins who lived there and it was a trip back to the fifties with greased back hair and pointy shoes. Heck, they didn’t convert to AC electricity until 1957.

  114. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #53 Shannon
    Sorry, legislative desegregation was the first thing that came to mind, we’ll skip the Polish, Belgian and German segregation also. We’ll focus on a specific race.
    I’m not aware of legislated mandatory desegregation of the negro race from whites. There are those who would argue, correctly I believe, that institutional segregation was rampant. That is, based on historical custom based on popular prejudices. All the popular institutional methods were used – red lining neighborhoods, school districts created along racial lines, etc.
    Changing the topic slightly to discrimination, we had that in uhh spades abundance. Milwaukee was ground zero with a large negro population and an activist Roman Catholic community. Both Father Groppi and Father Berrigan were on television almost daily and riots in Milwaukee occurred on a number of occasions. The national guard was called out and the Federal Courts were involved. I don’t know if they bused students, but the school districts were drawn on racial lines.
    Milwaukee really wasn’t the town of theHappy Days television show. I had cousins who lived there and it was a trip back to the fifties with greased back hair and pointy shoes. Heck, they didn’t convert to AC electricity until 1957.

  115. Tedtam Avatar

    There’s this really annoying buzzing that just doesn’t seem to want to stop….

    /swatting away

  116. Tedtam Avatar

    There’s this really annoying buzzing that just doesn’t seem to want to stop….
    /swatting away

  117. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #55/56

    Who cares?

    There are constituencies who care about lies, and opponents who will exploit them. If it’s not important to the voters in the district, then it’s not an issue. In Warren’s case the Scott camp is attempting to make it an issue as are the two opponents (one white) in Clarke’s case.
    Attempting to separate a candidate from his/her base is not uncommon. Whether it’s race, national origin, gender, social status or any other social distinction.

  118. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #55/56

    Who cares?

    There are constituencies who care about lies, and opponents who will exploit them. If it’s not important to the voters in the district, then it’s not an issue. In Warren’s case the Scott camp is attempting to make it an issue as are the two opponents (one white) in Clarke’s case.
    Attempting to separate a candidate from his/her base is not uncommon. Whether it’s race, national origin, gender, social status or any other social distinction.

  119. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #54 Darren

    He has more than enough collected in his previously undisclosed legal defense fund to cover the bail bondsman.

  120. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #54 Darren
    He has more than enough collected in his previously undisclosed legal defense fund to cover the bail bondsman.

  121. Tedtam Avatar

    And I hear Romney is considering a woman as a running mate.

    Along with skin color, I don’t care what does or does not hang between your legs.I know some people seem to think it matters, which is a shame. It’s more important to know what’s between the ears.

    All of this divisional politics gives me a headache.

  122. Tedtam Avatar

    And I hear Romney is considering a woman as a running mate.
    Along with skin color, I don’t care what does or does not hang between your legs.I know some people seem to think it matters, which is a shame. It’s more important to know what’s between the ears.
    All of this divisional politics gives me a headache.

  123. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    So he’s not Black, even though he’s in the Congressional Black Caucus.

    That’s because his father was a Bangaldeshi married to a black woman who passed as white and he’s married to an Asian woman who was raised by a Jewish family in Wisconsin.

    Only Democrats would think this a bad thing.

  124. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    So he’s not Black, even though he’s in the Congressional Black Caucus.
    That’s because his father was a Bangaldeshi married to a black woman who passed as white and he’s married to an Asian woman who was raised by a Jewish family in Wisconsin.
    Only Democrats would think this a bad thing.

  125. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Only Democrats would think this a bad thing.

    I would point out that Clarke is a Democrat, which is a good thing.
    Care to speculate whether his Republican opponent will bring up the topic?

  126. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Only Democrats would think this a bad thing.

    I would point out that Clarke is a Democrat, which is a good thing.
    Care to speculate whether his Republican opponent will bring up the topic?

  127. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And I hear Romney is considering a woman as a running mate.

    Oh it’s true. And there are folks who are not afraid to advertise point it out

    Ann Romney said Thursday that at least one woman is under consideration as Mitt Romney’s running mate.
    “We’ve been looking at that. And I’d love that option as well,” Ann told “CBS This Morning” when asked if she’d like to see a female vice presidential nominee.

  128. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And I hear Romney is considering a woman as a running mate.

    Oh it’s true. And there are folks who are not afraid to advertise point it out

    Ann Romney said Thursday that at least one woman is under consideration as Mitt Romney’s running mate.
    “We’ve been looking at that. And I’d love that option as well,” Ann told “CBS This Morning” when asked if she’d like to see a female vice presidential nominee.

  129. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I don’t know—how did Democrats treat Nikki Haley?

  130. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I don’t know—how did Democrats treat Nikki Haley?

  131. Hamous Avatar

    #3 Schizzle:

    I would interject that when I was growing up black folks were segregated, restricted from voting and sat in the back of the bus.

    In TEXAS, the only way that blacks were restricted from voting was in the DEMOCRAT PRIMARY. The R primary in Texas always was, (after the civil war) open to every male (wimminzes after suffrage) so which party has the legacy of institutional racism? The KKK was and is almost exclusively DEMOCRAT, yet it continues to be the Rs who get branded as racist, why is that?? Which party is it that is constantly beating the racism drum and which party is making greater strides as to judging by the content of character vs color of skin?
    The D’s in the former and the Rs in the later, if you can’t get your head around that it must be because it is firmly up your arse.

  132. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #3 Schizzle:

    I would interject that when I was growing up black folks were segregated, restricted from voting and sat in the back of the bus.

    In TEXAS, the only way that blacks were restricted from voting was in the DEMOCRAT PRIMARY. The R primary in Texas always was, (after the civil war) open to every male (wimminzes after suffrage) so which party has the legacy of institutional racism? The KKK was and is almost exclusively DEMOCRAT, yet it continues to be the Rs who get branded as racist, why is that?? Which party is it that is constantly beating the racism drum and which party is making greater strides as to judging by the content of character vs color of skin?
    The D’s in the former and the Rs in the later, if you can’t get your head around that it must be because it is firmly up your arse.

  133. Hamous Avatar

    Changing the unpleasant subject.
    This is a great animated video, all of which is being done to one extent or another today. The real sad part, if O-Care is not repealed, is that it will not be available in the future.

  134. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Changing the unpleasant subject.
    This is a great animated video, all of which is being done to one extent or another today. The real sad part, if O-Care is not repealed, is that it will not be available in the future.

  135. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #66 –

    why is that??

    *tune em up Mouseketeers!!*

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
    IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
    SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    (2 Ys for the proper length measure don’tcha know 🙂 )

  136. Katfish Avatar

    #66 –

    why is that??

    *tune em up Mouseketeers!!*
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
    IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
    SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    (2 Ys for the proper length measure don’tcha know 🙂 )

  137. Hamous Avatar

    For those “scientists” who absolutely refuse to believe that there is a CREATOR, the fingerprints of ELOHIM. What are the odds of the same sequence occurring in every spiral known to exist?

  138. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    For those “scientists” who absolutely refuse to believe that there is a CREATOR, the fingerprints of ELOHIM. What are the odds of the same sequence occurring in every spiral known to exist?

  139. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #67 – made me cringe a bit but TOO COOL!

    (‘specially since I have some that very stuff in my leg & ankle)

  140. Katfish Avatar

    #67 – made me cringe a bit but TOO COOL!
    (‘specially since I have some that very stuff in my leg & ankle)

  141. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I’m not really that big a fan of KISS, but for those who are.

    Glam rockers KISS are releasing a new retrospective book that stands three feet tall and retails for $4,299.

    “It’s not a cheap book because it is hand bound, hand put together. It’s the Rolls-Royce of books,” said Simmons.

  142. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I’m not really that big a fan of KISS, but for those who are.

    Glam rockers KISS are releasing a new retrospective book that stands three feet tall and retails for $4,299.

    “It’s not a cheap book because it is hand bound, hand put together. It’s the Rolls-Royce of books,” said Simmons.

  143. bob42 Avatar

    Romney should tap Megalo-Joe Arpaio for his veep.

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse” is claiming to have explosive new proof that President Barack Obama is ineligible to serve as president. According to a recent report with WorldNetDaily, the Maricopa County sheriff’s associate said they would release the birther evidence at a press conference on July 17.

    “I can’t disclose to you what we’ve discovered, but it’s going to be a shocking revelation at our press conference,” Mike Zullo, head of the “Cold Case Posse,” told a Tea Party radio program in an interview, according to WorldNetDaily.

    I just can’t wait to be shocked.

  144. bob42 Avatar

    Romney should tap Megalo-Joe Arpaio for his veep.

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse” is claiming to have explosive new proof that President Barack Obama is ineligible to serve as president. According to a recent report with WorldNetDaily, the Maricopa County sheriff’s associate said they would release the birther evidence at a press conference on July 17.
    “I can’t disclose to you what we’ve discovered, but it’s going to be a shocking revelation at our press conference,” Mike Zullo, head of the “Cold Case Posse,” told a Tea Party radio program in an interview, according to WorldNetDaily.

    I just can’t wait to be shocked.

  145. Hamous Avatar

    #72 Bobo: The sad part is, regardless of what is released and with what proof is offered, you Schizzle and others of your ilk will:
    A. Refuse to believe it
    B. Claim that somehow it does not matter
    C. Attack the integrity of the presenters as racists, or stupid, or some such other way to attempt to refute the information with out having to actually deal with it.
    My question to you is: What will it take for you to believe that O is a fraud? What evidence is required for you to believe that he is not, in fact, eligible to be POTUS based on the circumstances of his birth?

  146. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #72 Bobo: The sad part is, regardless of what is released and with what proof is offered, you Schizzle and others of your ilk will:
    A. Refuse to believe it
    B. Claim that somehow it does not matter
    C. Attack the integrity of the presenters as racists, or stupid, or some such other way to attempt to refute the information with out having to actually deal with it.
    My question to you is: What will it take for you to believe that O is a fraud? What evidence is required for you to believe that he is not, in fact, eligible to be POTUS based on the circumstances of his birth?

  147. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #72 b42
    I’m guessing it’s the social security number topic.
    Another nutcase filed a suit claiming that the President is ineligible because his social security number wasn’t issued in Hawaii.
    I think that’s in Article 7 Section 1 of the Constitution. 😉

  148. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #72 b42
    I’m guessing it’s the social security number topic.
    Another nutcase filed a suit claiming that the President is ineligible because his social security number wasn’t issued in Hawaii.
    I think that’s in Article 7 Section 1 of the Constitution. 😉

  149. Hamous Avatar

    Just when you think there are enough cracker jokes we have this:

    HEADLINE: Hallandale Beach Lifeguard Fired For Leaving His Zone To Rescue Drowning Man
    /SNIP
    The president of the company Jeff Ellis Management, Jeff Ellis, could only confirm that one employee was let go, and as many as three have resigned, said Hallandale Beach spokesman Peter Dobens.

    I’m going to bet that Jeff Ellis is not a native-born cracker, but a damn yankee carpet bagging SOB that left NY to mess up some other place.

  150. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Just when you think there are enough cracker jokes we have this:

    HEADLINE: Hallandale Beach Lifeguard Fired For Leaving His Zone To Rescue Drowning Man
    /SNIP
    The president of the company Jeff Ellis Management, Jeff Ellis, could only confirm that one employee was let go, and as many as three have resigned, said Hallandale Beach spokesman Peter Dobens.

    I’m going to bet that Jeff Ellis is not a native-born cracker, but a damn yankee carpet bagging SOB that left NY to mess up some other place.

  151. bob42 Avatar

    #73 Bonecrusher, it will take far more evidence than you or Loco-Joe have found (so far.)

    What evidence is required for you to believe that he is not, in fact, eligible to be POTUS based on the circumstances of his birth?

    Similar to your #69, you’re making a leap of faith.

  152. bob42 Avatar

    #73 Bonecrusher, it will take far more evidence than you or Loco-Joe have found (so far.)

    What evidence is required for you to believe that he is not, in fact, eligible to be POTUS based on the circumstances of his birth?

    Similar to your #69, you’re making a leap of faith.

  153. Hamous Avatar

    #76 Bobo: My question was pretty specific, what evidence is required for you to believe that JugEars is ineligible to be POTUS? ‘More than what has been presented’ is not a viable answer, please be specific.

  154. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #76 Bobo: My question was pretty specific, what evidence is required for you to believe that JugEars is ineligible to be POTUS? ‘More than what has been presented’ is not a viable answer, please be specific.

  155. Hamous Avatar

    Similar to your #69, you’re making a leap of faith.

    OK, so you think it is merely a leap of faith that I find fingerprints of a CREATOR in the fact that every spiral found in nature follows the same formula, right? If it were all random, as you atheists seem to believe, why are there no spirals found in nature that do not follow the formula? What are the odds that every spiral in nature would be exactly the same in proportions? I think it is a much greater leap of faith and on much shakier ground to believe that all spirals in nature are proportionally the same based on random chance. How many other instances of Fibonaci’s sequence do you need to see before you can see a pattern, a fingerprint of a DESIGNER if you will?

  156. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Similar to your #69, you’re making a leap of faith.

    OK, so you think it is merely a leap of faith that I find fingerprints of a CREATOR in the fact that every spiral found in nature follows the same formula, right? If it were all random, as you atheists seem to believe, why are there no spirals found in nature that do not follow the formula? What are the odds that every spiral in nature would be exactly the same in proportions? I think it is a much greater leap of faith and on much shakier ground to believe that all spirals in nature are proportionally the same based on random chance. How many other instances of Fibonaci’s sequence do you need to see before you can see a pattern, a fingerprint of a DESIGNER if you will?

  157. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    A blonde city girl named Amy marries a Colorado rancher. One morning, on his way out to check on the cows, the rancher says to Amy, the insemination man is coming over to impregnate one of our cows today, so I drove a nail into the 2 by 4 just above where the cow’s stall is in the barn. Please show him where the cow is when he gets here, OK?’
    The rancher leaves for the fields. After a while, the artificial insemination man arrives and knocks on the door. Amy takes him down to the barn.
    They walk along the row of cows and when Amy sees the nail, she tells him, ‘This is the one right here.’
    The man, assuming he is dealing with an air head blonde, asks, ‘Tell me lady, ’cause I’m dying to know; how would YOU know that this is the right cow to be bred?’
     
    ‘That’s simple,” she said. “By the nail that’s over its stall,’ she explains very confidently.
     
    Laughing rudely at her, the man says, ‘And what, is the nail for?’ The blonde turns to walk away and says sweetly over her shoulder, ‘I guess it’s to hang your pants on…’

  158. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    A blonde city girl named Amy marries a Colorado rancher. One morning, on his way out to check on the cows, the rancher says to Amy, the insemination man is coming over to impregnate one of our cows today, so I drove a nail into the 2 by 4 just above where the cow’s stall is in the barn. Please show him where the cow is when he gets here, OK?’
    The rancher leaves for the fields. After a while, the artificial insemination man arrives and knocks on the door. Amy takes him down to the barn.
    They walk along the row of cows and when Amy sees the nail, she tells him, ‘This is the one right here.’
    The man, assuming he is dealing with an air head blonde, asks, ‘Tell me lady, ’cause I’m dying to know; how would YOU know that this is the right cow to be bred?’
     
    ‘That’s simple,” she said. “By the nail that’s over its stall,’ she explains very confidently.
     
    Laughing rudely at her, the man says, ‘And what, is the nail for?’ The blonde turns to walk away and says sweetly over her shoulder, ‘I guess it’s to hang your pants on…’

  159. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Where’s the Wagonburner?

    A hamster has been rescued after it was seen running down a road in a plastic ball in Worcestershire.

  160. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Where’s the Wagonburner?

    A hamster has been rescued after it was seen running down a road in a plastic ball in Worcestershire.

  161. bob42 Avatar

    #78 Bonecrusher, based on observation, I’ll say that the odds are pretty darn good.

    What are the odds that every spiral in nature would be exactly the same in proportions?

    Your leap of faith is in assuming that such observations prove not only the existence of a deity, but prove the existence of your specific notion of a deity. It’s exactly as logical as saying, “Roses are red, violets are blue, therefore bacon.”

    My cat is a theist. And he likes bacon.

  162. bob42 Avatar

    #78 Bonecrusher, based on observation, I’ll say that the odds are pretty darn good.

    What are the odds that every spiral in nature would be exactly the same in proportions?

    Your leap of faith is in assuming that such observations prove not only the existence of a deity, but prove the existence of your specific notion of a deity. It’s exactly as logical as saying, “Roses are red, violets are blue, therefore bacon.”
    My cat is a theist. And he likes bacon.

  163. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Bad luck in San Diego. The entire fireworks show went off in 30 seconds instead of 15 minutes.
    Seriously though, it’s a testimony to the professionalism of those involved that more accidents do not occur every year. And it’s fortunate with this one that no lives were lost or property damaged.

    Anyone see fireworks last night? I was supposed to go to a friend’s house in Kemah but Mrs. Shamaal did not return from Green Bay until late.

  164. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Bad luck in San Diego. The entire fireworks show went off in 30 seconds instead of 15 minutes.
    Seriously though, it’s a testimony to the professionalism of those involved that more accidents do not occur every year. And it’s fortunate with this one that no lives were lost or property damaged.
    Anyone see fireworks last night? I was supposed to go to a friend’s house in Kemah but Mrs. Shamaal did not return from Green Bay until late.

  165. phil Avatar
    phil

    Only white folks can be racist cause UnReverend Al says so.

  166. phil Avatar
    phil

    Only white folks can be racist cause UnReverend Al says so.

  167. Dooood Avatar

    How to cook and shuck corn at the same time.

    Simplicity.

  168. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    How to cook and shuck corn at the same time.
    Simplicity.

  169. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Some folks declare that Detroit has decayed too far and is beyond salvation. Well, the rest of Michigan can put a wall around it and declare it a reservation just as an experiment. 🙂

  170. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Some folks declare that Detroit has decayed too far and is beyond salvation. Well, the rest of Michigan can put a wall around it and declare it a reservation just as an experiment. 🙂

  171. Hamous Avatar

    Your leap of faith is in assuming that such observations prove not only the existence of a deity, but prove the existence of your specific notion of a deity

    You are a liar! I never said any such thing, I said the observation is proof of a CREATOR, I did not say anything about what kind of a CREATOR HE is or what HIS creed may or may not be. You are trying to tie lots of things together that are not present WITH THIS ARGUMENT in order to attempt to save face, it aint gonna work. Sometimes I wonder why I even waste electrons trying to discuss anything with you.

  172. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Your leap of faith is in assuming that such observations prove not only the existence of a deity, but prove the existence of your specific notion of a deity

    You are a liar! I never said any such thing, I said the observation is proof of a CREATOR, I did not say anything about what kind of a CREATOR HE is or what HIS creed may or may not be. You are trying to tie lots of things together that are not present WITH THIS ARGUMENT in order to attempt to save face, it aint gonna work. Sometimes I wonder why I even waste electrons trying to discuss anything with you.

  173. Dooood Avatar

    #86 BC

    Sometimes I wonder why I even waste electrons trying to discuss anything with you.

    So do I.

  174. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #86 BC

    Sometimes I wonder why I even waste electrons trying to discuss anything with you.

    So do I.

  175. Hamous Avatar

    I notice that Bobo never answered the question as to what evidence would it take for him to believe that JugEars is illegitimate. I have a spark of hope that a pointed question will actually wake him up and cause him to consider that he could be wrong. That spark is rapidly dimming.

  176. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I notice that Bobo never answered the question as to what evidence would it take for him to believe that JugEars is illegitimate. I have a spark of hope that a pointed question will actually wake him up and cause him to consider that he could be wrong. That spark is rapidly dimming.

  177. bob42 Avatar

    #86 Bonecrusher, your accusation includes your specific notion of your theoretical creator’s gender.

    You are a liar! I never said any such thing, I said the observation is proof of a CREATOR, I did not say anything about what kind of a CREATOR HE is or what HIS creed may or may not be.

    Where have I lied? This sounds pretty specific to me.

    …the fingerprints of ELOHIM

  178. bob42 Avatar

    #86 Bonecrusher, your accusation includes your specific notion of your theoretical creator’s gender.

    You are a liar! I never said any such thing, I said the observation is proof of a CREATOR, I did not say anything about what kind of a CREATOR HE is or what HIS creed may or may not be.

    Where have I lied? This sounds pretty specific to me.

    …the fingerprints of ELOHIM

  179. bob42 Avatar

    #88 I already answered you. It would take real evidence.

    I notice that Bobo never answered the question as to what evidence would it take for him to believe that JugEars is illegitimate.

    All that you and the other birthers have offered are politically motivated conspiracy theories.

  180. bob42 Avatar

    #88 I already answered you. It would take real evidence.

    I notice that Bobo never answered the question as to what evidence would it take for him to believe that JugEars is illegitimate.

    All that you and the other birthers have offered are politically motivated conspiracy theories.

  181. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    One of the questions asked about Wisconsin’s shape is why did it come out shaped like a mitten and how did Michigan end up with the top half? And is the city of Green Bay in the nook between the thumb and forefinger or in the armpit?
    For the shape we would have to thank the Toledo War of 1835. All the drama as the more famous Texas Civil War, but less bloodshed and more frostbite.
    When Ohio was first set up as a state it’s northern boundary was set as an eastward line from Lake Michigan. Surveying being what it was they placed it more northward than it actually was and included Toledo. Eventually with statehood surveying improved and it was discovered that the true line was south of Toledo and Toledo was actually part of the Michigan Territory.
    Neither side was willing to give up the “Toledo Strip.” Militias were organized, lawsuits filed, borders raided, people jailed for paying taxes to the wrong district or not paying taxes to the right district and all the normal testosterone soaked behavior associated with life on the frontier. Eventually the unthinkable happened and a Michigander got stabbed in the thigh buy a Ohioan with a pen knife. Nobody died, but he did have a limp for a while and Ohio refused to extradite the patriot.
    Meanwhile back in Washington, Ohio being a state; was in a position to help Andrew Jackson’s political party (future Democrats). Whereas Michigan being a territory had no pull. Also there was $400,000 kicking around the treasury for a rebate to the states and Michigan being a territory – not a state and broke to boot from funding the militias, invasions and whatnot; wanted to be a state and receive funding. When the dust was settled Jackson said Michigan could not be a state until they solved this dispute. Congress stepped in and offered the upper part of Wisconsin if Michigan gave up Toledo. Finances being what they were, and the weather being cold, Michigan accepted the terms and accepted the Frostbite Treaty.
    Ohio got Toledo, Michigan got the Upper Peninsula and Wisconsin got screwed. The border wasn’t finalized until 1975 by the Supreme Court.

    And that’s how Green Bay ended up in the armpit of Wisconsin. 😉

  182. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    One of the questions asked about Wisconsin’s shape is why did it come out shaped like a mitten and how did Michigan end up with the top half? And is the city of Green Bay in the nook between the thumb and forefinger or in the armpit?
    For the shape we would have to thank the Toledo War of 1835. All the drama as the more famous Texas Civil War, but less bloodshed and more frostbite.
    When Ohio was first set up as a state it’s northern boundary was set as an eastward line from Lake Michigan. Surveying being what it was they placed it more northward than it actually was and included Toledo. Eventually with statehood surveying improved and it was discovered that the true line was south of Toledo and Toledo was actually part of the Michigan Territory.
    Neither side was willing to give up the “Toledo Strip.” Militias were organized, lawsuits filed, borders raided, people jailed for paying taxes to the wrong district or not paying taxes to the right district and all the normal testosterone soaked behavior associated with life on the frontier. Eventually the unthinkable happened and a Michigander got stabbed in the thigh buy a Ohioan with a pen knife. Nobody died, but he did have a limp for a while and Ohio refused to extradite the patriot.
    Meanwhile back in Washington, Ohio being a state; was in a position to help Andrew Jackson’s political party (future Democrats). Whereas Michigan being a territory had no pull. Also there was $400,000 kicking around the treasury for a rebate to the states and Michigan being a territory – not a state and broke to boot from funding the militias, invasions and whatnot; wanted to be a state and receive funding. When the dust was settled Jackson said Michigan could not be a state until they solved this dispute. Congress stepped in and offered the upper part of Wisconsin if Michigan gave up Toledo. Finances being what they were, and the weather being cold, Michigan accepted the terms and accepted the Frostbite Treaty.
    Ohio got Toledo, Michigan got the Upper Peninsula and Wisconsin got screwed. The border wasn’t finalized until 1975 by the Supreme Court.
    And that’s how Green Bay ended up in the armpit of Wisconsin. 😉

  183. Hamous Avatar

    All that you and the other birthers have offered are politically motivated conspiracy theories.

    I guess it was politically motivated to call that fraudulent “birth certificate” which was posted on Drudge (lifted from a White House post) wasn’t it? How about posting the genuine article instead of an obvious forgery?
    The question remains unanswered: What evidence will it take for you to say that JugEars is illegitimate?? What, with specificity, would constitute real evidence? Isn’t glaring absence of evidence proof in and of itself? Doesn’t spending large sums of money keeping what would be ordinarily considered unimportant information (such as a genuine birth certificate, records of student loan status, passport records [particularly when, by his own pen, he claims to have traveled to Pahkeestahn when that was not an available option for US citizens] secret? The absence of evidence in this case demands a full scale investigation. The B/C posted by the whitehouse and reposted by Drudge is evidence of a cover-up/fraud. If you can’t see that then your eyes are closed.

    #86 Bonecrusher, your accusation includes your specific notion of your theoretical creator’s gender.

    Calling THE CREATOR a “he” as opposed to an “it” or a “she” is a matter of respect. For example, in Spanish, if one is referring to a crowd and there is only one male present, it is polite to use the term ellos, if there are no males present, the correct term would be ellas. You may refer to the FSM as an “it” if you choose to do so.

  184. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    All that you and the other birthers have offered are politically motivated conspiracy theories.

    I guess it was politically motivated to call that fraudulent “birth certificate” which was posted on Drudge (lifted from a White House post) wasn’t it? How about posting the genuine article instead of an obvious forgery?
    The question remains unanswered: What evidence will it take for you to say that JugEars is illegitimate?? What, with specificity, would constitute real evidence? Isn’t glaring absence of evidence proof in and of itself? Doesn’t spending large sums of money keeping what would be ordinarily considered unimportant information (such as a genuine birth certificate, records of student loan status, passport records [particularly when, by his own pen, he claims to have traveled to Pahkeestahn when that was not an available option for US citizens] secret? The absence of evidence in this case demands a full scale investigation. The B/C posted by the whitehouse and reposted by Drudge is evidence of a cover-up/fraud. If you can’t see that then your eyes are closed.

    #86 Bonecrusher, your accusation includes your specific notion of your theoretical creator’s gender.

    Calling THE CREATOR a “he” as opposed to an “it” or a “she” is a matter of respect. For example, in Spanish, if one is referring to a crowd and there is only one male present, it is polite to use the term ellos, if there are no males present, the correct term would be ellas. You may refer to the FSM as an “it” if you choose to do so.

  185. Hamous Avatar

    Here is another $98 million dollar kick in the crotch for green energy. I think green energy must be the velocity of money flowing into friends of Ds.

  186. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Here is another $98 million dollar kick in the crotch for green energy. I think green energy must be the velocity of money flowing into friends of Ds.

  187. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    The trucks are rolling again into Afghanistan. Clinton had to apologize for a drone unloading on the Pakistani Army, but refused to pay a $5000 transit fee per truck.

    “We are sorry for the losses suffered by the Pakistani military. We are committed to working closely with Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent this from ever happening again,”

  188. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    The trucks are rolling again into Afghanistan. Clinton had to apologize for a drone unloading on the Pakistani Army, but refused to pay a $5000 transit fee per truck.

    “We are sorry for the losses suffered by the Pakistani military. We are committed to working closely with Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent this from ever happening again,”

  189. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I always like to see these follow-up stories. This ones about the mass departure of chaplains from the US Military if DODT was repealed. I’ve always felt these guys were more professional than that, but I would concede that the Corp may have changed in the thirty years I’ve been out. So what’s the damage? Yawn …………….

    Prior to repeal, various conservative groups and individuals — including many conservative retired chaplains — warned that repeal would trigger an exodus of chaplains whose faiths consider homosexual activity to be sinful.
    In fact, there’s been no significant exodus — perhaps two or three departures of active-duty chaplains linked to the repeal. Moreover, chaplains or their civilian coordinators from a range of conservative faiths said they knew of virtually no serious problems thus far involving infringement of chaplains’ religious freedom or rights of conscience.

    Remember the kerfuffle a few years ago with Kansas authorizing transgender use of bathrooms. Did the incidence of molestations actually increase as prophesized?

  190. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I always like to see these follow-up stories. This ones about the mass departure of chaplains from the US Military if DODT was repealed. I’ve always felt these guys were more professional than that, but I would concede that the Corp may have changed in the thirty years I’ve been out. So what’s the damage? Yawn …………….

    Prior to repeal, various conservative groups and individuals — including many conservative retired chaplains — warned that repeal would trigger an exodus of chaplains whose faiths consider homosexual activity to be sinful.
    In fact, there’s been no significant exodus — perhaps two or three departures of active-duty chaplains linked to the repeal. Moreover, chaplains or their civilian coordinators from a range of conservative faiths said they knew of virtually no serious problems thus far involving infringement of chaplains’ religious freedom or rights of conscience.

    Remember the kerfuffle a few years ago with Kansas authorizing transgender use of bathrooms. Did the incidence of molestations actually increase as prophesized?

  191. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Tempers are short in the DC area. I’m looking forward to the legislation this is going to create.

    “You’re nothing but blood sucking exploiters that’s all you are,” a Bethesda resident shouted to a FOX 5 news crew Thursday. “No, no stay away from me you’re on my street. This is the county street. You’re on property here and you’re taking advantage of a neighbor’s tragedy.”

  192. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Tempers are short in the DC area. I’m looking forward to the legislation this is going to create.

    “You’re nothing but blood sucking exploiters that’s all you are,” a Bethesda resident shouted to a FOX 5 news crew Thursday. “No, no stay away from me you’re on my street. This is the county street. You’re on property here and you’re taking advantage of a neighbor’s tragedy.”

  193. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Jeepers, I hate to see this kind of stuff happen to members of any party.

    “Congressman [Jesse] Jackson’s medical condition is more serious than we thought and initially believed,” Jackson spokesman Frank Watkins said. “Recently, we have been made aware that he has grappled with certain physical and emotional ailments privately for a long period of time.”

  194. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Jeepers, I hate to see this kind of stuff happen to members of any party.

    “Congressman [Jesse] Jackson’s medical condition is more serious than we thought and initially believed,” Jackson spokesman Frank Watkins said. “Recently, we have been made aware that he has grappled with certain physical and emotional ailments privately for a long period of time.”

  195. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Seems he suffers from Rezkoitis and Blagoavicticus. Current thereapy includes lots of time on the phone, shuffling of bank accounts, and paper shredding.

  196. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Seems he suffers from Rezkoitis and Blagoavicticus. Current thereapy includes lots of time on the phone, shuffling of bank accounts, and paper shredding.

  197. Tedtam Avatar

    Sometimes I hear things that just bring me down. I wish I hadn’t heard what I just heard.

    Dammit.

    It’s personal, but dammit!

  198. Tedtam Avatar

    Sometimes I hear things that just bring me down. I wish I hadn’t heard what I just heard.
    Dammit.
    It’s personal, but dammit!

  199. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Facebook humor;

    FB needs to notify me when someone deletes me so I can Like it.

    The Poke button is not working anymore, we need a B!tch Slap button.

  200. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Facebook humor;

    FB needs to notify me when someone deletes me so I can Like it.

    The Poke button is not working anymore, we need a B!tch Slap button.

  201. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Eventually the unthinkable happened and a Michigander got stabbed in the thigh buy a Ohioan with a pen knife. Nobody died, but he did have a limp for a while

    Yeah. Like ya said, Jim Bowie at the Alamo it ain’t.
    🙂

  202. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Eventually the unthinkable happened and a Michigander got stabbed in the thigh buy a Ohioan with a pen knife. Nobody died, but he did have a limp for a while

    Yeah. Like ya said, Jim Bowie at the Alamo it ain’t.
    🙂

  203. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Shamaal
    As a kid of the fifties/sixties growing up in Southeast Texas, we didn’t have much any of the “Indian thing”, except movies and television portrayals.
    It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how it affected the regional culture and you personally.

    The same goes for Adee, Sarge and anyone else that grew up with that perspective. I bet even HammyCracker has something to offer.

    Of course in your case shamaal, I’d like you to stifle your “natural trolling self” for such offerings.

    If that is even possible.

  204. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Shamaal
    As a kid of the fifties/sixties growing up in Southeast Texas, we didn’t have much any of the “Indian thing”, except movies and television portrayals.
    It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how it affected the regional culture and you personally.
    The same goes for Adee, Sarge and anyone else that grew up with that perspective. I bet even HammyCracker has something to offer.
    Of course in your case shamaal, I’d like you to stifle your “natural trolling self” for such offerings.
    If that is even possible.

  205. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #104 – Do not make me come to Austin County and THUMP you Brother…………….’specially since you’ll be as old as ME in 5 days! 🙂

  206. Katfish Avatar

    #104 – Do not make me come to Austin County and THUMP you Brother…………….’specially since you’ll be as old as ME in 5 days! 🙂

  207. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    105 Katfish
    As with Texpat, I have always and will
    always be able to outrun you.
    🙂

  208. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    105 Katfish
    As with Texpat, I have always and will
    always be able to outrun you.
    🙂

  209. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Never been around the Indian thing either- feather or dot, but my step-dad has stories about them in New Mexico, all involving alcohol.

  210. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Never been around the Indian thing either- feather or dot, but my step-dad has stories about them in New Mexico, all involving alcohol.

  211. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Are you looking for comments on the “Indian thing” or race in general?

  212. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Are you looking for comments on the “Indian thing” or race in general?

  213. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Sarge,
    Ummmm….
    Not so much a racial discussion….
    I’m just curious about something that did not shape my upbrInging.

  214. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Sarge,
    Ummmm….
    Not so much a racial discussion….
    I’m just curious about something that did not shape my upbrInging.

  215. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    White kid in Texas didnt grow up with a history of indian reservations nearby. Nor did his recent ancestors. His cultural influences have more to do with German and Mexican immigrant history.

    Perhaps Im too far into dementia to make clear what Im seeking.

    Just do it.

  216. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    White kid in Texas didnt grow up with a history of indian reservations nearby. Nor did his recent ancestors. His cultural influences have more to do with German and Mexican immigrant history.
    Perhaps Im too far into dementia to make clear what Im seeking.
    Just do it.

  217. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Indian racing might be interesting.

  218. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Indian racing might be interesting.

  219. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    As to “the Indian thing.” My Great Grandfather was full blooded Abenaki, although he would tell you he was Pemigewasset (its a Government Lable thing, I understand). This makes me at least 4 times the Indian that Elizabeth Warren claims to be—and apparently makes me elegible to cliam the minority staus that she did in order to gain an advantage she didn’t deserve and thus took away from somebody who really did in the process. He died in his 90’s when I was about 8 years old, and I remember him vividly, especially the cardigan sweaters and the fat his shirt was always buttoned up to his neck. He was a remarkable man, born in the 19th Century in a tribe that was by that time completely assimilated into the white society of the time. He was an educated man, a beloved public school teacher, and was the first person to recieve Teacher’s Retirement in the State, having personally lobbied for the effort on behalf of all school teachers in the State. He was fairly affluent, I remember a large Victorian farmhouse with several outbuildings on the outskirts of Concord.

    All that being said, he is the only person I an remember who was a full blood Indian of any sort. This is not to say that I never met anyone of such a description, its just that nobod was ever introduced to me that way, nor was I ever informed that so and so was such and such. I was aware of a Reservation in Maine and that the main enters of Indian population were in the North Country—which was (and still is) fairly sparsely populated to begin with. I was vaguely aware of some long dead Great Uncles and Aunts (Great Grampa was the longest lived member of his family) who lived North of Concord, mainly through my Granparents or Dad pointing out homes or towns where Uncle or Aunt So-and-So had lived. My understanding is that non-reservation Indians intermarried with whites to the extent that by the time I was a boy, full blooded indivduals were pretty rare.

    Of course, Indian heritage is all around you in NH. Dang near everything that wasn’t built by a human has an Indian name: Lake Winnepesauki, Lake Massabesic, Merrimac and Pemigewaset Rivers. Almost everything ends in an -ic or -wasset or some derivation. Even the mountains in the Presdential Range of the White Mountains had their names changed from the original Indian names to honor the founders in the 1830’s. or so.

    Any divisions where I grew up had to do with Nationality. In my neighborhood, you were either French, Greek, or Other—I was Other. There was a large French Candadan population—and they were not necessarly new immigrants from Canada. Most were 3 and 4 generations removed from Canada but still grew up in households that spoke French at home, and lived in common neighborhoods. The large Greek population, however, were mostly recent immigrants, politial refugess who fled Greece in the late ’50s and early ’60s. All of my Greek freinds were second or third generation. You couldn’t go anywhere with a Greek kid without running into a dozen of his cousins. What conflict there was occurred between the French and the Greeks. Us Others just sat back and watched.

    I saw my first black people on TV in a CBS “Whitepaper” on the nascent Civil Rights Movement, accompanied by some rather racist comments from my Dad, and some more moderating ones from my Mom out of his ear shot. I met my first real flesh and blood black kid when I was a Junior in High School, but he almost doesn’t count as his Dad worked for the State Department at a fairly high level down in Boston and was affluent enough to have the family live in a pretty trendy neighborhood in Manchester, along with a house on the coast and a cabin on a lake. His dad commuted, something not too terribly uncommon today, but was uncommon enough in 1970 to be something relgated only to fairly affluent folk. This was in the days when only the rich kids got a brand new car to go to High School in. Arnell drove a ’69 Mustang.

    My main education and interaction with minority folk of any sort was in the Army—-and it was a very turbulent time for race relations in soiety in general, and the Army in particular. That’s a pretty looooong subject and perhaps better discussed over a campfire.

  220. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    As to “the Indian thing.” My Great Grandfather was full blooded Abenaki, although he would tell you he was Pemigewasset (its a Government Lable thing, I understand). This makes me at least 4 times the Indian that Elizabeth Warren claims to be—and apparently makes me elegible to cliam the minority staus that she did in order to gain an advantage she didn’t deserve and thus took away from somebody who really did in the process. He died in his 90’s when I was about 8 years old, and I remember him vividly, especially the cardigan sweaters and the fat his shirt was always buttoned up to his neck. He was a remarkable man, born in the 19th Century in a tribe that was by that time completely assimilated into the white society of the time. He was an educated man, a beloved public school teacher, and was the first person to recieve Teacher’s Retirement in the State, having personally lobbied for the effort on behalf of all school teachers in the State. He was fairly affluent, I remember a large Victorian farmhouse with several outbuildings on the outskirts of Concord.
    All that being said, he is the only person I an remember who was a full blood Indian of any sort. This is not to say that I never met anyone of such a description, its just that nobod was ever introduced to me that way, nor was I ever informed that so and so was such and such. I was aware of a Reservation in Maine and that the main enters of Indian population were in the North Country—which was (and still is) fairly sparsely populated to begin with. I was vaguely aware of some long dead Great Uncles and Aunts (Great Grampa was the longest lived member of his family) who lived North of Concord, mainly through my Granparents or Dad pointing out homes or towns where Uncle or Aunt So-and-So had lived. My understanding is that non-reservation Indians intermarried with whites to the extent that by the time I was a boy, full blooded indivduals were pretty rare.
    Of course, Indian heritage is all around you in NH. Dang near everything that wasn’t built by a human has an Indian name: Lake Winnepesauki, Lake Massabesic, Merrimac and Pemigewaset Rivers. Almost everything ends in an -ic or -wasset or some derivation. Even the mountains in the Presdential Range of the White Mountains had their names changed from the original Indian names to honor the founders in the 1830’s. or so.
    Any divisions where I grew up had to do with Nationality. In my neighborhood, you were either French, Greek, or Other—I was Other. There was a large French Candadan population—and they were not necessarly new immigrants from Canada. Most were 3 and 4 generations removed from Canada but still grew up in households that spoke French at home, and lived in common neighborhoods. The large Greek population, however, were mostly recent immigrants, politial refugess who fled Greece in the late ’50s and early ’60s. All of my Greek freinds were second or third generation. You couldn’t go anywhere with a Greek kid without running into a dozen of his cousins. What conflict there was occurred between the French and the Greeks. Us Others just sat back and watched.
    I saw my first black people on TV in a CBS “Whitepaper” on the nascent Civil Rights Movement, accompanied by some rather racist comments from my Dad, and some more moderating ones from my Mom out of his ear shot. I met my first real flesh and blood black kid when I was a Junior in High School, but he almost doesn’t count as his Dad worked for the State Department at a fairly high level down in Boston and was affluent enough to have the family live in a pretty trendy neighborhood in Manchester, along with a house on the coast and a cabin on a lake. His dad commuted, something not too terribly uncommon today, but was uncommon enough in 1970 to be something relgated only to fairly affluent folk. This was in the days when only the rich kids got a brand new car to go to High School in. Arnell drove a ’69 Mustang.
    My main education and interaction with minority folk of any sort was in the Army—-and it was a very turbulent time for race relations in soiety in general, and the Army in particular. That’s a pretty looooong subject and perhaps better discussed over a campfire.

  221. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Shannon – One of my paternal great grandmothers was a Creek from Bainbridge, Georgia. In my family there was never any prejudice against Indians. Quite the opposite. I don’t think I ever heard any disparaging words by anyone towards the main Indians in Florida, the Miccosukee and Seminole. There weren’t that many that left south Florida and went to school with us but those that did were treated like celebrities by the rest of the kids when they first came, then just became like the rest of us once the novelty wore off.

    Shortly before my grandmother died she and one of her cousins got together and were telling us stories of when they were kids living in Holopaw. They said several times a year Indians would travel through the area with cattle (Florida was open range probably up until the 30s or 40s). They never said anything about conflicts with them.

    If I remember correctly, Oletimer’s wife’s family comes from that part of Florida.

  222. Hamous Avatar

    Shannon – One of my paternal great grandmothers was a Creek from Bainbridge, Georgia. In my family there was never any prejudice against Indians. Quite the opposite. I don’t think I ever heard any disparaging words by anyone towards the main Indians in Florida, the Miccosukee and Seminole. There weren’t that many that left south Florida and went to school with us but those that did were treated like celebrities by the rest of the kids when they first came, then just became like the rest of us once the novelty wore off.
    Shortly before my grandmother died she and one of her cousins got together and were telling us stories of when they were kids living in Holopaw. They said several times a year Indians would travel through the area with cattle (Florida was open range probably up until the 30s or 40s). They never said anything about conflicts with them.
    If I remember correctly, Oletimer’s wife’s family comes from that part of Florida.

  223. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    You nailed it Sarge.
    Thank you.

  224. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    You nailed it Sarge.
    Thank you.

  225. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I do have to say that the racist comments from my Dad were fairly puzzling to me in that his parents weren’t racist to any extent at all, and through conversations with my Grandma, I know that it wasn’t part of his upbringing. Most everybody I encountered was very sympathtetic to the Civil Rights Movement, my Grandmother especially so.

  226. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I do have to say that the racist comments from my Dad were fairly puzzling to me in that his parents weren’t racist to any extent at all, and through conversations with my Grandma, I know that it wasn’t part of his upbringing. Most everybody I encountered was very sympathtetic to the Civil Rights Movement, my Grandmother especially so.

  227. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    But speaking of Indians, if this spun off from the OC thread on Hansen Clarke, the “part Indian” he is from his father is the subcontinental kind.

  228. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    But speaking of Indians, if this spun off from the OC thread on Hansen Clarke, the “part Indian” he is from his father is the subcontinental kind.

  229. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Yes Ms Harper Bangladesh to be exact.

    I see serge was unable to relate his story without a troll, I’ll try and do better.

    Indians in my neck of the woods kept on the reservations. My memories of driving through the reservations were ones of utter poverty. The only indian I recall meeting was Chief Oshkosh, an older gent that my father had business dealings with. I understood he was not a Chief but it would have been rude to ask questions. Indians in Wisconsin were peaceful and didn’t leave any bad feelings unlike in the West (Minnesota) that had numerous clashes.
    We learned in school that the Menominees were a Wisconsin native tribe although Green Bay had an Oneida reservation out by the airport. The Oneidas were one of the five Civilized Nations and somehow were displaced from New York.
    The Menominee story was particularly pathetic, somehow the Federal Government became convinced in the 40’s that they were assimilated and no longer needed a reservation. The tribe was disbanded and their reservation was turned into the poorest county in Wisconsin. In the 70’s the decision was reversed and they gained tribal status, some money and the reservation was re-instated. There were apocryphal stories that with their monetary award they went out and bought refrigerators and appliances even though there was no electricity.
    No real minorities to speak of, the slurs centered around Poles and Belgians. When questioned why people slammed these particular nationalities, the answer was because they had been easily over run in the war. Although Green Bay was settled by the French, they weren’t on our radar. We had Mike and Pat Roman Catholic jokes but no real malice behind them. We talked of a tough negotiation as j*wing somebody down, but again no malice. We were warned never to let Gypsies into the house and to lock both doors, but I never saw any. My Uncle in Washington had dealings with them in their winter camp where they sold timber. I doubt he was the source of the prejudice though as I never heard a bad word from him.
    I mentioned earlier that Packers and their kids lived in the neighborhood and looking back as solid middle class, we were insulated from any discrimination going on around us. There was a Belgian who lived down a couple houses from us who hated the Japanese with a passion. There was something about an internment camp involved and we just listened politely and marked him down as one of those guys whose mind would not be changed. We played baseball in the summer and football the remainder of the year, there were sufficient empty lots and woods to keep us occupied year round.

  230. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Yes Ms Harper Bangladesh to be exact.
    I see serge was unable to relate his story without a troll, I’ll try and do better.
    Indians in my neck of the woods kept on the reservations. My memories of driving through the reservations were ones of utter poverty. The only indian I recall meeting was Chief Oshkosh, an older gent that my father had business dealings with. I understood he was not a Chief but it would have been rude to ask questions. Indians in Wisconsin were peaceful and didn’t leave any bad feelings unlike in the West (Minnesota) that had numerous clashes.
    We learned in school that the Menominees were a Wisconsin native tribe although Green Bay had an Oneida reservation out by the airport. The Oneidas were one of the five Civilized Nations and somehow were displaced from New York.
    The Menominee story was particularly pathetic, somehow the Federal Government became convinced in the 40’s that they were assimilated and no longer needed a reservation. The tribe was disbanded and their reservation was turned into the poorest county in Wisconsin. In the 70’s the decision was reversed and they gained tribal status, some money and the reservation was re-instated. There were apocryphal stories that with their monetary award they went out and bought refrigerators and appliances even though there was no electricity.
    No real minorities to speak of, the slurs centered around Poles and Belgians. When questioned why people slammed these particular nationalities, the answer was because they had been easily over run in the war. Although Green Bay was settled by the French, they weren’t on our radar. We had Mike and Pat Roman Catholic jokes but no real malice behind them. We talked of a tough negotiation as j*wing somebody down, but again no malice. We were warned never to let Gypsies into the house and to lock both doors, but I never saw any. My Uncle in Washington had dealings with them in their winter camp where they sold timber. I doubt he was the source of the prejudice though as I never heard a bad word from him.
    I mentioned earlier that Packers and their kids lived in the neighborhood and looking back as solid middle class, we were insulated from any discrimination going on around us. There was a Belgian who lived down a couple houses from us who hated the Japanese with a passion. There was something about an internment camp involved and we just listened politely and marked him down as one of those guys whose mind would not be changed. We played baseball in the summer and football the remainder of the year, there were sufficient empty lots and woods to keep us occupied year round.

  231. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Sarge
    Before I moved to Bellville in ’72, the substantial part of my life was spent in lily-white suburban west Houston. When my parents bought their first home it really wasnt suburbia yet. It was the boonies.
    There were no black kids in the Spring Branch Independent Schools in that area and perhaps none at all.
    It was only after I got to the country that I went to school (junior year) with blacks.
    Having been raised the way I was, I was appalled at the blatant racialism I saw in the country. Things are totally different now….but it’s still around.
    Though some of what remains isn’t true racism, it is understandable resentment of the working class of all colors against the leeches of all colors…

  232. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Sarge
    Before I moved to Bellville in ’72, the substantial part of my life was spent in lily-white suburban west Houston. When my parents bought their first home it really wasnt suburbia yet. It was the boonies.
    There were no black kids in the Spring Branch Independent Schools in that area and perhaps none at all.
    It was only after I got to the country that I went to school (junior year) with blacks.
    Having been raised the way I was, I was appalled at the blatant racialism I saw in the country. Things are totally different now….but it’s still around.
    Though some of what remains isn’t true racism, it is understandable resentment of the working class of all colors against the leeches of all colors…

  233. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Thanks shamaal.

    This is what I was seeking.

  234. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Thanks shamaal.
    This is what I was seeking.

  235. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Sheesh.
    A conversation without the scheisse.

  236. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Sheesh.
    A conversation without the scheisse.

  237. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Some more random thoughts
    Prejudice and discrimination in the outside world were brought to us by television and the Press-Gazette. The situation in Selma was particularly heart-breaking with the police turning fire hoses and dogs on American citizens. Closer to home Fathers Groppi and Berrigan kept the heat up on the discrimination in Milwaukee. As I recall, the Berrigan brothers were on the FBI’s Ten Most wanted list, one rarely sees Priests on wanted posters. In the late 60’s we were all concerned more with the draft than racism, I never actually got around to registering so I’m sure I’ll turn up on some smear should I ever decide to run for office.
    Madison, the capital of Wisconsin, was a hotbed of progressive activity. The largest terror bomb, until Oklahoma, was detonated at the Dow Chemical building and the University was the subject of the only aerial terror bombing in the US.
    Languages in my neck of the woods were English although there were sections of Milwaukee that still spoke German, up until 1912 German was the language of instruction in the public schools. This was a time when schoolboards determined what was best for the folks paying the taxes.

  238. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Some more random thoughts
    Prejudice and discrimination in the outside world were brought to us by television and the Press-Gazette. The situation in Selma was particularly heart-breaking with the police turning fire hoses and dogs on American citizens. Closer to home Fathers Groppi and Berrigan kept the heat up on the discrimination in Milwaukee. As I recall, the Berrigan brothers were on the FBI’s Ten Most wanted list, one rarely sees Priests on wanted posters. In the late 60’s we were all concerned more with the draft than racism, I never actually got around to registering so I’m sure I’ll turn up on some smear should I ever decide to run for office.
    Madison, the capital of Wisconsin, was a hotbed of progressive activity. The largest terror bomb, until Oklahoma, was detonated at the Dow Chemical building and the University was the subject of the only aerial terror bombing in the US.
    Languages in my neck of the woods were English although there were sections of Milwaukee that still spoke German, up until 1912 German was the language of instruction in the public schools. This was a time when schoolboards determined what was best for the folks paying the taxes.

  239. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    The minutes of my church council reveal a discontinuation of German language services following the declaration of war against Germany in 194?.

  240. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    The minutes of my church council reveal a discontinuation of German language services following the declaration of war against Germany in 194?.

  241. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Whoa! This is sudden.
    The FTT ( financial transaction tax) is something I’ve been following for a number of years. Before the murder of investment banking in 2008 it wasn’t practical due to competition from private capital. With all investment money for now and the foreseeable future originating in the federal government, this becomes more viable.
    I’ve always felt that there were two schools of financing the federal government in play, the Democrats wanted to tax application of technological advances across the globe to fund the federal government (CO2, cap and trade, carbon credits, etc) while the Republicans wanted to tax financial transactions in a form of usury (ftt, interest rates, financial consortiums) to finance the federal government.
    This looks like a trial balloon.

    To help, here’s a handy chart that shows the financial transaction tax (a.k.a. the Wall Street or Robin Hood Tax) compared to 4 other revenue options that are often mentioned in the budget debates. As you can see, the Joint Committee on Taxation’s estimate of $352 billion over 9 years from the FTT swamps the other options.

  242. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Whoa! This is sudden.
    The FTT ( financial transaction tax) is something I’ve been following for a number of years. Before the murder of investment banking in 2008 it wasn’t practical due to competition from private capital. With all investment money for now and the foreseeable future originating in the federal government, this becomes more viable.
    I’ve always felt that there were two schools of financing the federal government in play, the Democrats wanted to tax application of technological advances across the globe to fund the federal government (CO2, cap and trade, carbon credits, etc) while the Republicans wanted to tax financial transactions in a form of usury (ftt, interest rates, financial consortiums) to finance the federal government.
    This looks like a trial balloon.

    To help, here’s a handy chart that shows the financial transaction tax (a.k.a. the Wall Street or Robin Hood Tax) compared to 4 other revenue options that are often mentioned in the budget debates. As you can see, the Joint Committee on Taxation’s estimate of $352 billion over 9 years from the FTT swamps the other options.

  243. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    124
    Keep that handy, I want to read it.
    But I must rest.
    Tomorrow looks to be a tough day.

  244. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    124
    Keep that handy, I want to read it.
    But I must rest.
    Tomorrow looks to be a tough day.

  245. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I see serge was unable to relate his story without a troll, I’ll try and do better.

    Excuse me, but as a member of the agreived minority that Ms Warren has slurred, insulted, and taken advantage of, I have absolute moral authority on the subjet and my opinion is the only one that matters.

    You should be familiar with the concept—you guys nventedit, esecially when it comes to race.

  246. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I see serge was unable to relate his story without a troll, I’ll try and do better.

    Excuse me, but as a member of the agreived minority that Ms Warren has slurred, insulted, and taken advantage of, I have absolute moral authority on the subjet and my opinion is the only one that matters.
    You should be familiar with the concept—you guys nventedit, esecially when it comes to race.

  247. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    106 –

    I have always and will
    always be able to outrun you.
    🙂

    It aint ME you gotta outrun Brother and I got a crisp new Franklin that sez ya caint outrun Gracie!

  248. Katfish Avatar

    106 –

    I have always and will
    always be able to outrun you.
    🙂

    It aint ME you gotta outrun Brother and I got a crisp new Franklin that sez ya caint outrun Gracie!

  249. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    127
    Oh that will be fun…standing on the other side of the ravine, watching you eat it.
    🙂

  250. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    127
    Oh that will be fun…standing on the other side of the ravine, watching you eat it.
    🙂

  251. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    All this gettin’ along is darn right creepy.

  252. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    All this gettin’ along is darn right creepy.

  253. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    I was gonna say “first” but looks like GJT beat me to it this morning.

  254. El Gordo Avatar

    I was gonna say “first” but looks like GJT beat me to it this morning.

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