Several photographers were asked to reproduce famous paintings as photographs.
Some are dead-on.
Some are really close.
Some are good, if not particularly close.
They’re all worth a look.
Update: Link fixed
Weekend Return To The Arts Open Comments
by
Tags:
Comments
-
G’Saturday Morning All
First, I wanna say FIRSTUS!
Burner, your link only goes to one pic.
-
G’Saturday Morning All
First, I wanna say FIRSTUS!
Burner, your link only goes to one pic. -
I’ll second that, Oletimer. Looks like good art, for a change, PyroManiac, so please fix the link.
Good morning, Hamsterville! Man, it’s cold.
-
I’ll second that, Oletimer. Looks like good art, for a change, PyroManiac, so please fix the link.
Good morning, Hamsterville! Man, it’s cold. -
The homework assignment was to think of a story to tell, and then conclude the moral of that
story.Fast forward to next day-
Little Suzy raises her hand.
“My dad owns a farm and we load the chicken eggs on the truck and drive into town to sell them at the market. One day we hit a big bump and all the eggs flew out of the basket and onto the road.
The moral?
“Don’t keep all your eggs in one basket.”Next is little Lucy.
“My dad owns a farm too. We take our eggs and put them in the incubator. Last weekend only 8 of the 12 eggs hatched.
The moral?
“Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.”Last is little Billy.
“My uncle Ted fought in the Vietnam war; his plane was shot down over enemy territory. He jumped out before it crashed with only a case of beer, a machine gun and a machete. On the
way down he drank the case of beer. Unfortunately, he landed right in the middle of 100 Vietnamese soldiers. He shot 70 with his machine gun, but ran out of ammunition, so he pulled out his machete and killed 20 more. The blade on his machete broke, so he killed the last ten with his bare hands.”Teacher looks in shock at Billy and asks if there is possibly any moral to his story.
“Don’t mess with uncle Ted when he’s been drinking.” -
The homework assignment was to think of a story to tell, and then conclude the moral of that
story.
Fast forward to next day-
Little Suzy raises her hand.
“My dad owns a farm and we load the chicken eggs on the truck and drive into town to sell them at the market. One day we hit a big bump and all the eggs flew out of the basket and onto the road.
The moral?
“Don’t keep all your eggs in one basket.”
Next is little Lucy.
“My dad owns a farm too. We take our eggs and put them in the incubator. Last weekend only 8 of the 12 eggs hatched.
The moral?
“Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.”
Last is little Billy.
“My uncle Ted fought in the Vietnam war; his plane was shot down over enemy territory. He jumped out before it crashed with only a case of beer, a machine gun and a machete. On the
way down he drank the case of beer. Unfortunately, he landed right in the middle of 100 Vietnamese soldiers. He shot 70 with his machine gun, but ran out of ammunition, so he pulled out his machete and killed 20 more. The blade on his machete broke, so he killed the last ten with his bare hands.”
Teacher looks in shock at Billy and asks if there is possibly any moral to his story.
“Don’t mess with uncle Ted when he’s been drinking.” -
MHarper- 28 degrees in North Sugar Land this AM.
-
MHarper- 28 degrees in North Sugar Land this AM.
-
Anglicans, well, they are racing headlong into extinction so whatever opinion I might hold of them will soon be irrelevant.
There’s something about Che Guevara that convinces older European men that they will become cooler through association with his “brand.” We saw that again yesterday when Mercedes-Benz Chairman Dieter Zetsche launched a new car under a banner picture of Guevara. Years ago, an equally desperate Anglican clergyman tried to stem dwindling congregations with a poster of Guevara wearing a crown of thorns. The hip slogan? “Meek and Mild? As if.”
The Anglican Church continues to, ahem, have its problems attracting people to an increasingly troubled denomination. As to whether communism will help a luxury car maker sell a lavish lifestyle, well, let’s say I remain agnostic. But the occasion to comment on the appropriateness of using Che Guevara to market anything cannot be passed up.
The irony of the luxury carmaker touting up shared ownership in their over-hyped, over-rated vehicles as some sort of ecologically correct decision to cover for the fact their products have become priced out of the reach of most people is, uh, more than pathetic.
If you lame, poor bastards can’t afford our cars, then you’ll just have to partner up to afford one. Hah ! Oh, and to sweeten the deal for you middle-aged losers who can’t get a date, we’ll overlay the cache of some putrid, murdering banana republic thug in our imaging optics so you can try to impress those clueless college girls. Good luck, suckers !
NB: It only took Daimler about 48 hours to realize they made a huge blunder and they did apologize for it. Nevertheless….
-
Adding one more reason to my list of why I don’t care for Mercedes-Benz products and never have, for that matter.
Anglicans, well, they are racing headlong into extinction so whatever opinion I might hold of them will soon be irrelevant.There’s something about Che Guevara that convinces older European men that they will become cooler through association with his “brand.” We saw that again yesterday when Mercedes-Benz Chairman Dieter Zetsche launched a new car under a banner picture of Guevara. Years ago, an equally desperate Anglican clergyman tried to stem dwindling congregations with a poster of Guevara wearing a crown of thorns. The hip slogan? “Meek and Mild? As if.”
The Anglican Church continues to, ahem, have its problems attracting people to an increasingly troubled denomination. As to whether communism will help a luxury car maker sell a lavish lifestyle, well, let’s say I remain agnostic. But the occasion to comment on the appropriateness of using Che Guevara to market anything cannot be passed up.The irony of the luxury carmaker touting up shared ownership in their over-hyped, over-rated vehicles as some sort of ecologically correct decision to cover for the fact their products have become priced out of the reach of most people is, uh, more than pathetic.
If you lame, poor bastards can’t afford our cars, then you’ll just have to partner up to afford one. Hah ! Oh, and to sweeten the deal for you middle-aged losers who can’t get a date, we’ll overlay the cache of some putrid, murdering banana republic thug in our imaging optics so you can try to impress those clueless college girls. Good luck, suckers !
NB: It only took Daimler about 48 hours to realize they made a huge blunder and they did apologize for it. Nevertheless…. -
-
-
#5 texpat
It’s difficult to figure out what these guys were thinking. By adding the Mercedes logo to the iconic Korda image they’ve managed to upset every commie and socialist in the world, not to mention racial minorities, jews and homosexuals. Unless Daimler is attempting to boost sales in Argentina, I’m not exactly sure who the target demographic is.
Another good article from the Huffington Post. 😉
-
#5 texpat
It’s difficult to figure out what these guys were thinking. By adding the Mercedes logo to the iconic Korda image they’ve managed to upset every commie and socialist in the world, not to mention racial minorities, jews and homosexuals. Unless Daimler is attempting to boost sales in Argentina, I’m not exactly sure who the target demographic is.
Another good article from the Huffington Post. 😉 -
Don’t forget to vote in the “Saddle Up Texas Straw Poll” today, you can text it in.
Mornin’ Gang -
Don’t forget to vote in the “Saddle Up Texas Straw Poll” today, you can text it in.
Mornin’ Gang -
I’ll fix the link latter today. The shortcut is on my computer at home.
-
I’ll fix the link latter today. The shortcut is on my computer at home.
-
#9 Super Dave
Boy that’s quite a group they have at this thing. Dick Armey, Breitbart, KrisAnn Halle, Matt Kibbe and Dan Patrick. And there’s a host of candidates also, Joe Barton is standing in for the Newt. I imagine it’s a little uncomfortable though for many of the incumbents. Their unanimous vote last month to raise taxes on mortgage providers and increase the national debt may not go over to well if any conservatives show up. Just think, if only one person had stood up and said no the bill wouldn’t have passed and President Obama would not have gotten his way …………… But that’s a
trolldigression.I don’t see Texas’ own Mike Conaway or Kay Granger. Oh yeah, they’re in Paris this week with the House leadership to discuss Iran. It’s a good thing the House is in session, 😉 I wonder if they’ll get around to extending the Obama tax cut for the whole year.
-
#9 Super Dave
Boy that’s quite a group they have at this thing. Dick Armey, Breitbart, KrisAnn Halle, Matt Kibbe and Dan Patrick. And there’s a host of candidates also, Joe Barton is standing in for the Newt. I imagine it’s a little uncomfortable though for many of the incumbents. Their unanimous vote last month to raise taxes on mortgage providers and increase the national debt may not go over to well if any conservatives show up. Just think, if only one person had stood up and said no the bill wouldn’t have passed and President Obama would not have gotten his way …………… But that’s atrolldigression.
I don’t see Texas’ own Mike Conaway or Kay Granger. Oh yeah, they’re in Paris this week with the House leadership to discuss Iran. It’s a good thing the House is in session, 😉 I wonder if they’ll get around to extending the Obama tax cut for the whole year. -
From Shamaal’s article about Bill Maher, the walking rectum;
What is said originally:I was 19, and thought I could polish them off by age 20. Alas, I’m a little behind.
I found the errors in it and fixed it for him:
I was 19, and thought I could polish them off by age 20. Alas, I’m a little behind and incapable of rational thought, being a liberal and a really irritating ass.
The funny part is that everybody seemed to think that the correction was the original and did not think twice about it, everybody knows that Maher is an irritating ass incapable of rational thought.
-
From Shamaal’s article about Bill Maher, the walking rectum;
What is said originally:I was 19, and thought I could polish them off by age 20. Alas, I’m a little behind.
I found the errors in it and fixed it for him:
I was 19, and thought I could polish them off by age 20. Alas, I’m a little behind and incapable of rational thought, being a liberal and a really irritating ass.
The funny part is that everybody seemed to think that the correction was the original and did not think twice about it, everybody knows that Maher is an irritating ass incapable of rational thought.
-
The funny part is that everybody seemed to think that the correction was the original
LOL, oh no Bonecrusher, that’s not the funny part. 🙂
-
The funny part is that everybody seemed to think that the correction was the original
LOL, oh no Bonecrusher, that’s not the funny part. 🙂
-
What the wiss took them so long?? S&P finally downgrades 9 EU countries debt. France’s banks, for some unknown reason, have been able to value their Greek bonds at 100% of face value as have other nations. Now that it is becoming increasingly obvious that very few if any of the nations in debt will ever be able to pay back that which they owe, what is to become of the world’s financial system? Is there going to be a massive “debt swap” where those nations will buy back their own debt with bonds they hold from other nations and then simply wipe it off the books? What about the private investor who holds bonds, will his frugality and safe play cause him to be wiped out? When are we going to be able to hold those politicians who are directly responsible for the crisis in court and make them and their families pay?
It is real simple, don’t spend more than you have and everything else usually works itself out. -
What the wiss took them so long?? S&P finally downgrades 9 EU countries debt. France’s banks, for some unknown reason, have been able to value their Greek bonds at 100% of face value as have other nations. Now that it is becoming increasingly obvious that very few if any of the nations in debt will ever be able to pay back that which they owe, what is to become of the world’s financial system? Is there going to be a massive “debt swap” where those nations will buy back their own debt with bonds they hold from other nations and then simply wipe it off the books? What about the private investor who holds bonds, will his frugality and safe play cause him to be wiped out? When are we going to be able to hold those politicians who are directly responsible for the crisis in court and make them and their families pay?
It is real simple, don’t spend more than you have and everything else usually works itself out. -
A though provoking article in the Chronicle this morning about the glut in natural gas. The glut has forced the price so low the profit margin is dwindling. The recommended recourse is to export the gas so that the price will go up. It works for gasoline and other petroleum products. The discussion will be framed whether the revenue brought in by the gas companies in the form of taxes and jobs will be offset by the increase in energy prices to the nation and further reliance on foreign oil/
It will be interesting to see what the response will be from those who espouse American energy independence. Wasn’t it Stalin who said something to the effect that “Capitalists will sell you the rope to hang themselves with ….”
Hey, maybe if somebody’s going to the straw poll shindig they can bring the question up ……… right after asking why they voted unanimously for the federal government to override the state of Nebraska’s objection to the Keystone pipeline. 😉
-
A though provoking article in the Chronicle this morning about the glut in natural gas. The glut has forced the price so low the profit margin is dwindling. The recommended recourse is to export the gas so that the price will go up. It works for gasoline and other petroleum products. The discussion will be framed whether the revenue brought in by the gas companies in the form of taxes and jobs will be offset by the increase in energy prices to the nation and further reliance on foreign oil/
It will be interesting to see what the response will be from those who espouse American energy independence. Wasn’t it Stalin who said something to the effect that “Capitalists will sell you the rope to hang themselves with ….”
Hey, maybe if somebody’s going to the straw poll shindig they can bring the question up ……… right after asking why they voted unanimously for the federal government to override the state of Nebraska’s objection to the Keystone pipeline. 😉 -
Quote from the Gun Control video:
“Why don’t you repeal the 2nd Amendment?”
“Because I don’t want to bring the voters into this. Liberal courts is where it dshould be handled.”
Welll—-Liberal Courts, and the Massachusetts State Legislature if you have Governor who favors Gun Control.
-
Quote from the Gun Control video:
“Why don’t you repeal the 2nd Amendment?”
“Because I don’t want to bring the voters into this. Liberal courts is where it dshould be handled.”
Welll—-Liberal Courts, and the Massachusetts State Legislature if you have Governor who favors Gun Control. -
#15 Shamaal: OK, I’ll bite. Price fluctuations are a very natural part of the free market supply and demand balance. When the price was high(er) for nat gas, there was a sufficient profit incentive to risk the capital to search for and develop the resource. Lots of people jumped in and now we have the enviable situation where we actually have an overabundance (if that is really possible, kind of like having too much money) of nat gas supply. This situation where we have lots of supply and relatively constant demand (right now, this will vanish if the winter turns harsh) will by necessity push prices down. The reduction in price will deter future development of nat gas resources and the supply will balance with demand and the price will go up. This is Capitalism, it is a self correcting market, and it is a good thing. The plentiful gas supply may result in more power generating facilities being built to help prevent the rolling black outs/brown outs we had this summer. The cheaper gas make utility rates go down and that makes it easier to produce goods and services.
-
#15 Shamaal: OK, I’ll bite. Price fluctuations are a very natural part of the free market supply and demand balance. When the price was high(er) for nat gas, there was a sufficient profit incentive to risk the capital to search for and develop the resource. Lots of people jumped in and now we have the enviable situation where we actually have an overabundance (if that is really possible, kind of like having too much money) of nat gas supply. This situation where we have lots of supply and relatively constant demand (right now, this will vanish if the winter turns harsh) will by necessity push prices down. The reduction in price will deter future development of nat gas resources and the supply will balance with demand and the price will go up. This is Capitalism, it is a self correcting market, and it is a good thing. The plentiful gas supply may result in more power generating facilities being built to help prevent the rolling black outs/brown outs we had this summer. The cheaper gas make utility rates go down and that makes it easier to produce goods and services.
-
Good morning Hamsters. Another frosty morning at 29 with a glittering landscape at a magnificent Sunrise. Warming quickly to the low 50s by 10:30, yea.
Good weather to continue cleaning up the debris from Monday’s wild storms. One temporarily submerged flowerbed of pansies it just fine, but two others aren’t; a fourth was surrounded by water but not submerged and is also fine. Several large limbs came down in the pastures and are now carted over to the ashes of the burn pile that amazingly were not washed away but rather remained almost intact.
Huge amounts of debris block our side of the twin culverts that take water under the private road behind us. This must be cleaned before the next heavy rain, but the county drainage district can’t do it without an easement, and the road and bridge department can’t because it’s on a private road. Ergo, we will hire it done ourselves, with the permission of the couple under whose road the culverts run and who were astounded at the amount of water coming at them. They just finished cleanig up the mass of debris left behind on the far side of their property as the flow exited into their neighbor’s pasture. Fortunately they are good new neighbors. 🙂
-
Good morning Hamsters. Another frosty morning at 29 with a glittering landscape at a magnificent Sunrise. Warming quickly to the low 50s by 10:30, yea.
Good weather to continue cleaning up the debris from Monday’s wild storms. One temporarily submerged flowerbed of pansies it just fine, but two others aren’t; a fourth was surrounded by water but not submerged and is also fine. Several large limbs came down in the pastures and are now carted over to the ashes of the burn pile that amazingly were not washed away but rather remained almost intact.
Huge amounts of debris block our side of the twin culverts that take water under the private road behind us. This must be cleaned before the next heavy rain, but the county drainage district can’t do it without an easement, and the road and bridge department can’t because it’s on a private road. Ergo, we will hire it done ourselves, with the permission of the couple under whose road the culverts run and who were astounded at the amount of water coming at them. They just finished cleanig up the mass of debris left behind on the far side of their property as the flow exited into their neighbor’s pasture. Fortunately they are good new neighbors. 🙂 -
The recommended recourse is to export the gas so that the price will go up.
Someone who actually understands Capitalism would say that since a demand exists overseas, then its the demand that sets the price and not the fact that you sell it.
-
The recommended recourse is to export the gas so that the price will go up.
Someone who actually understands Capitalism would say that since a demand exists overseas, then its the demand that sets the price and not the fact that you sell it.
-
#17 Bonecrusher
Nothing to bite, just a discussion.
Generally speaking, natural gas is a byproduct of oil production there’s a steady supply as long a one produces oil. Look at many fields and refineries at night, it’s being flared off; too use your analogy it’s money to burn. the renaissance the last two years in oil production with regards to shale has caused large amounts of natural gas to become available. It’s also a boom and bust market full of charlatans and scam artists, particularly in the Northeast.
Capitalism is not about getting products to customers, it’s about making money – return on investment. One can have better, cheaper products or one can pay for legislation to reduce competition. In this case the laws of supply and demand are keeping the price of natural gas depressed. You are correct in that this should make it an ideal low cost fuel for power generation. During the rolling blackouts this last summer several mothballed Natural Gas plants were brought back on line to meet demand.
But capitalism is about return on investment, not production. The fact is that more money is made for those involved by coal, petroleum or whatever than natural gas. As these are monopolies, governments regulate them and therefore control what energy industry is to be promoted at the expense of others.
I could drone on for days about subsidies, tax breaks, depletion allowances and other what not, but the
trolltopic in that particular post was the juxtaposition between those that believe in a free market system, such as myself, and those who espouse populist claptrap about energy independence. To achieve independence in this particular circumstance, the evil government must intervene in the free market and create an artificial market where sufficient profit is made by the producers to sustain production while simultaneously restricting sales to foreign markets that would provide a greater profit. So is our priority to be American energy independence and less reliance on Arab oil, or adherence to free trade and larger profits for foreign owned oil companies?Personally I believe the answer’s a mix, but just once I’d like to see proponents of either position in a political party stand up during policy formation instead of whining about it afterwords.
-
#17 Bonecrusher
Nothing to bite, just a discussion.
Generally speaking, natural gas is a byproduct of oil production there’s a steady supply as long a one produces oil. Look at many fields and refineries at night, it’s being flared off; too use your analogy it’s money to burn. the renaissance the last two years in oil production with regards to shale has caused large amounts of natural gas to become available. It’s also a boom and bust market full of charlatans and scam artists, particularly in the Northeast.
Capitalism is not about getting products to customers, it’s about making money – return on investment. One can have better, cheaper products or one can pay for legislation to reduce competition. In this case the laws of supply and demand are keeping the price of natural gas depressed. You are correct in that this should make it an ideal low cost fuel for power generation. During the rolling blackouts this last summer several mothballed Natural Gas plants were brought back on line to meet demand.
But capitalism is about return on investment, not production. The fact is that more money is made for those involved by coal, petroleum or whatever than natural gas. As these are monopolies, governments regulate them and therefore control what energy industry is to be promoted at the expense of others.
I could drone on for days about subsidies, tax breaks, depletion allowances and other what not, but thetrolltopic in that particular post was the juxtaposition between those that believe in a free market system, such as myself, and those who espouse populist claptrap about energy independence. To achieve independence in this particular circumstance, the evil government must intervene in the free market and create an artificial market where sufficient profit is made by the producers to sustain production while simultaneously restricting sales to foreign markets that would provide a greater profit. So is our priority to be American energy independence and less reliance on Arab oil, or adherence to free trade and larger profits for foreign owned oil companies?
Personally I believe the answer’s a mix, but just once I’d like to see proponents of either position in a political party stand up during policy formation instead of whining about it afterwords. -
I could drone on for days about subsidies, tax breaks, depletion allowances and other what not, but the troll topic in that particular post was the juxtaposition between those that believe in a free market system, such as myself, and those who espouse populist claptrap about energy independence. To achieve independence in this particular circumstance, the evil government must intervene in the free market and create an artificial market where sufficient profit is made by the producers to sustain production while simultaneously restricting sales to foreign markets that would provide a greater profit. So is our priority to be American energy independence and less reliance on Arab oil, or adherence to free trade and larger profits for foreign owned oil companies?
So, you’re saying that the government needs to create an artifical market for natural gas in order to boost profit.
How well has that worked for the Chevy Volt and the Cash for Clunkers program?
-
I could drone on for days about subsidies, tax breaks, depletion allowances and other what not, but the troll topic in that particular post was the juxtaposition between those that believe in a free market system, such as myself, and those who espouse populist claptrap about energy independence. To achieve independence in this particular circumstance, the evil government must intervene in the free market and create an artificial market where sufficient profit is made by the producers to sustain production while simultaneously restricting sales to foreign markets that would provide a greater profit. So is our priority to be American energy independence and less reliance on Arab oil, or adherence to free trade and larger profits for foreign owned oil companies?
So, you’re saying that the government needs to create an artifical market for natural gas in order to boost profit.
How well has that worked for the Chevy Volt and the Cash for Clunkers program? -
20 Sarge
Someone who actually understands Capitalism would say that since a demand exists overseas, then its the demand that sets the price and not the fact that you sell it.
A good point and the topic of the post.
Should the US expand the demand pool (overseas sales) causing an increase to domestic customers and decrease American energy independence or restrict foreign sales – sort of an AMERICAN GAS FOR AMERICANS type of jingoism. Afterall it is an election year. Those folks in Carolina may not be as receptive to freezing their cans off so that Royal Dutch Shell can enjoy healthy profits to offset their purchase of French War Bonds. 😉 -
20 Sarge
Someone who actually understands Capitalism would say that since a demand exists overseas, then its the demand that sets the price and not the fact that you sell it.
A good point and the topic of the post.
Should the US expand the demand pool (overseas sales) causing an increase to domestic customers and decrease American energy independence or restrict foreign sales – sort of an AMERICAN GAS FOR AMERICANS type of jingoism. Afterall it is an election year. Those folks in Carolina may not be as receptive to freezing their cans off so that Royal Dutch Shell can enjoy healthy profits to offset their purchase of French War Bonds. 😉 -
And what, exactly, is wrong with selling natural gas overseas, and what, exactly is wrong with it being a by-product of drilling for oil?
And what about all the jobs that would be created getting that gas (and oil) to market.
You guys always seem to have a problem with that whole produce, transport, process, and market thing having a connection to people getting paid to do all that work.
-
And what, exactly, is wrong with selling natural gas overseas, and what, exactly is wrong with it being a by-product of drilling for oil?
And what about all the jobs that would be created getting that gas (and oil) to market.
You guys always seem to have a problem with that whole produce, transport, process, and market thing having a connection to people getting paid to do all that work. -
So, you’re saying that the government needs to create an artifical market for natural gas in order to boost profit.
Not exactly, the government creates an artificial market whenever they create a subsidy. Buy gas now and there’s 10% ethanol that decreases octane. Purchase milk or grain or any other commodity. The question in my mind is not whether an artificial market is created, it’s what policy is followed.
How well has that worked for the Chevy Volt and the Cash for Clunkers program?
Actually pretty well for owners of Volts and electric cars and sellers of clunkers.
-
So, you’re saying that the government needs to create an artifical market for natural gas in order to boost profit.
Not exactly, the government creates an artificial market whenever they create a subsidy. Buy gas now and there’s 10% ethanol that decreases octane. Purchase milk or grain or any other commodity. The question in my mind is not whether an artificial market is created, it’s what policy is followed.
How well has that worked for the Chevy Volt and the Cash for Clunkers program?
Actually pretty well for owners of Volts and electric cars and sellers of clunkers.
-
Should the US expand the demand pool (overseas sales) causing an increase to domestic customers and decrease American energy independence
Ummmmm–
First you’re going to have to explain how selling gas overseas instead of having to buy it overseas leads to a decrease in energy independence.
-
Should the US expand the demand pool (overseas sales) causing an increase to domestic customers and decrease American energy independence
Ummmmm–
First you’re going to have to explain how selling gas overseas instead of having to buy it overseas leads to a decrease in energy independence. -
And just how does the government “increase the demand pool” by “allowing” the sale of gas overseas?
The sales don’t happen unless the demand already exists.
-
And just how does the government “increase the demand pool” by “allowing” the sale of gas overseas?
The sales don’t happen unless the demand already exists. -
Capitalism is not about getting products to customers, it’s about making money – return on investment.
/snip
But capitalism is about return on investment, not production.I think we have discovered the primary impediment to your understanding. What we should be focused on is WEALTH CREATION, not profit for a corporate raider. Profit does not equal wealth creation.
In a production based society, one that actually creates wealth, without production THERE IS NO WISSIN RETURN ON INVESTMENT. Any money to be made with out production is gambling on an interest rate spread or loading a company with debt (andstealingtaking those proceeds as reward/profit now) for it to eventually go into bankruptcy. That does not produce wealth, it destroys it. That is the behavior of the short sighted bandit. An entity makes far more money in the long run if it creates wealth instead of picking meat off of the carcass. Just because it may technically be legal to engage in the pillaging described above, does not make it right. When one takes raw materials and adds labor, skill, machinery, etc to refashion the raw material into something of value, wealth is produced. -
Capitalism is not about getting products to customers, it’s about making money – return on investment.
/snip
But capitalism is about return on investment, not production.I think we have discovered the primary impediment to your understanding. What we should be focused on is WEALTH CREATION, not profit for a corporate raider. Profit does not equal wealth creation.
In a production based society, one that actually creates wealth, without production THERE IS NO WISSIN RETURN ON INVESTMENT. Any money to be made with out production is gambling on an interest rate spread or loading a company with debt (andstealingtaking those proceeds as reward/profit now) for it to eventually go into bankruptcy. That does not produce wealth, it destroys it. That is the behavior of the short sighted bandit. An entity makes far more money in the long run if it creates wealth instead of picking meat off of the carcass. Just because it may technically be legal to engage in the pillaging described above, does not make it right. When one takes raw materials and adds labor, skill, machinery, etc to refashion the raw material into something of value, wealth is produced. -
Not exactly, the government creates an artificial market whenever they create a subsidy. Buy gas now and there’s 10% ethanol that decreases octane. Purchase milk or grain or any other commodity. The question in my mind is not whether an artificial market is created, it’s what policy is followed.
That’s pretty much gibberish. The policy should be to take government out of the sales equation. And if you’re question is not about the creation of artificazl markets, stop talking about the government getting involved with a government policy. Any time the government gets involved, there’s artificiality.
How well has that worked for the Chevy Volt and the Cash for Clunkers program?
Actually pretty well for owners of Volts and electric cars and sellers of clunkers.
At the expense of other taxpayers.
Freakin brilliant. A government policy that rewards people with enough money to buy a $40,000 car and forces poor people to buy more expensive cars because the gummint has destroyed the cheap ones.
Tell me again how you doin’t favor the government creating artificial markets——
-
Not exactly, the government creates an artificial market whenever they create a subsidy. Buy gas now and there’s 10% ethanol that decreases octane. Purchase milk or grain or any other commodity. The question in my mind is not whether an artificial market is created, it’s what policy is followed.
That’s pretty much gibberish. The policy should be to take government out of the sales equation. And if you’re question is not about the creation of artificazl markets, stop talking about the government getting involved with a government policy. Any time the government gets involved, there’s artificiality.
How well has that worked for the Chevy Volt and the Cash for Clunkers program?
Actually pretty well for owners of Volts and electric cars and sellers of clunkers.
At the expense of other taxpayers.
Freakin brilliant. A government policy that rewards people with enough money to buy a $40,000 car and forces poor people to buy more expensive cars because the gummint has destroyed the cheap ones.
Tell me again how you doin’t favor the government creating artificial markets—— -
#26 Sarge good catch, I miswrote it should read
Should the US expand the demand pool (overseas sales) causing an increase to domestic customers anddecreaseincrease American energy independence.And just how does the government “increase the demand pool” by “allowing” the sale of gas overseas?
It’s self explanatory to me, but then I work with this stuff day in and day out. Try this article
-
#26 Sarge good catch, I miswrote it should read
Should the US expand the demand pool (overseas sales) causing an increase to domestic customers anddecreaseincrease American energy independence.And just how does the government “increase the demand pool” by “allowing” the sale of gas overseas?
It’s self explanatory to me, but then I work with this stuff day in and day out. Try this article
-
#28 Boncrusher
I think we have discovered the primary impediment to your understanding. What we should be focused on is WEALTH CREATION, not profit for a corporate raider.
A whole different post/thread, not germane to the topic. I feel people are snoozing off already.
-
#28 Boncrusher
I think we have discovered the primary impediment to your understanding. What we should be focused on is WEALTH CREATION, not profit for a corporate raider.
A whole different post/thread, not germane to the topic. I feel people are snoozing off already.
-
OK, one last snark before moving on.
Tell me again how you don’t favor the government creating artificial markets——
Actually, I don’t recall writing it the first time; must be old age. 😉
-
OK, one last snark before moving on.
Tell me again how you don’t favor the government creating artificial markets——
Actually, I don’t recall writing it the first time; must be old age. 😉
-
You still don’t get it do you? Your entire premise is that the government should have a role in the sale of goods and services. That it should “allow” the sale of a product to control demand (whether to increase it or decrease it doesn’t really matter). There are fewer people working in this country today than were the day that guys who thjought the way you do took over the country and started ebating what “policy” would be best when it comes to controlling markets, whether its electric cars, old cars, oil, natural gas, or organic food.
So please stop trying to get us to argue what government intervention would be the best policy. We want to put pelople back to work and the experience of the last three years is that government policy of any kind (by either party aimed at controlling markets won’t do that.
-
You still don’t get it do you? Your entire premise is that the government should have a role in the sale of goods and services. That it should “allow” the sale of a product to control demand (whether to increase it or decrease it doesn’t really matter). There are fewer people working in this country today than were the day that guys who thjought the way you do took over the country and started ebating what “policy” would be best when it comes to controlling markets, whether its electric cars, old cars, oil, natural gas, or organic food.
So please stop trying to get us to argue what government intervention would be the best policy. We want to put pelople back to work and the experience of the last three years is that government policy of any kind (by either party aimed at controlling markets won’t do that. -
#32 Bonecrusher
I’ve always been a Krupa fan. I think Rich was a better soloist while Krupa had better syncopation that played better with bands.
With the Sing, Sing, Sing lead in, this makes it a hat trick. Goodman, Krupa and Rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5B7yqDYbA -
#32 Bonecrusher
I’ve always been a Krupa fan. I think Rich was a better soloist while Krupa had better syncopation that played better with bands.
With the Sing, Sing, Sing lead in, this makes it a hat trick. Goodman, Krupa and Rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5B7yqDYbA -
A whole different post/thread, not germane to the topic. I feel people are snoozing off already.
Translation:
“As long as we confine the debate to the way I have defined the terms and conditions, I win.”
-
A whole different post/thread, not germane to the topic. I feel people are snoozing off already.
Translation:
“As long as we confine the debate to the way I have defined the terms and conditions, I win.” -
A whole different post/thread, not germane to the topic.
Not germane?? You have got to be kidding. Return on investment only makes sense at all IF AND ONLY IF that investment is made in what ultimately amounts to production because that is the only way wealth is created. Like I said above wealth creation does not equal interest rate spread skimming or carcass picking. Capitalism is about the wealth creating production of goods and services, take the production out of the equation and you are speaking of banking. Banking does not equal capitalism.
-
A whole different post/thread, not germane to the topic.
Not germane?? You have got to be kidding. Return on investment only makes sense at all IF AND ONLY IF that investment is made in what ultimately amounts to production because that is the only way wealth is created. Like I said above wealth creation does not equal interest rate spread skimming or carcass picking. Capitalism is about the wealth creating production of goods and services, take the production out of the equation and you are speaking of banking. Banking does not equal capitalism.
-
Nancy doesn’t want to debate on the terms of Capitalism. He wants to debate on terms that force us to accept that an amount of socialism is acceptable.
A banker walked up to a woman on the street corner. He says to her: “If I pay you $200,000 will you sleep with me?”
She thinks about it and then says “Yes. Yes, for $200,000 I’d sleep with you.”
Then he says “Will you sleep with me for $200?”
She says “Of course not. What kind of woman do you think I am?”
Says the banker: “We’ve already established that. We’re just haggling over price now.”
-
Nancy doesn’t want to debate on the terms of Capitalism. He wants to debate on terms that force us to accept that an amount of socialism is acceptable.
A banker walked up to a woman on the street corner. He says to her: “If I pay you $200,000 will you sleep with me?”
She thinks about it and then says “Yes. Yes, for $200,000 I’d sleep with you.”
Then he says “Will you sleep with me for $200?”
She says “Of course not. What kind of woman do you think I am?”
Says the banker: “We’ve already established that. We’re just haggling over price now.” -
I’ve gotten into Hammock Camping. At my age, sleeping on the ground has lost its appeal. Even if it did have some appeal for me, lugging even the lightest of tent around confines me to car camping and I long to get back to hiking in to a spot far from the madding crowd. Carrying a light weight hammock and tarp to sleep on air seems to have solved those problems. I’ve become a member of a forum that discusses methods, products, and procedures that has helped me a great deal.
One of the sub-forums is “trip reporting”. One of the members posted this:
went on a three day hike with my son in the pine barrens in NJ. hammocks got alot of looks. when we got to hawkins bridge camp site, it was packed from the cranberry fest. a little girl in the site across from us just kept talking. they sleep in the trees, why dont we?, they dont have a car, they have small stoves, and on and on and on. at 7:30 my son could not find his camera case and we put in our head-lights and started looking around site, but the little girl yelled at the top of her lungs, “the TREE MEN have lights in their heads!!!” and ran in her tent to hide.
just thought it was funny.
her parents didn’t -
I’ve gotten into Hammock Camping. At my age, sleeping on the ground has lost its appeal. Even if it did have some appeal for me, lugging even the lightest of tent around confines me to car camping and I long to get back to hiking in to a spot far from the madding crowd. Carrying a light weight hammock and tarp to sleep on air seems to have solved those problems. I’ve become a member of a forum that discusses methods, products, and procedures that has helped me a great deal.
One of the sub-forums is “trip reporting”. One of the members posted this:went on a three day hike with my son in the pine barrens in NJ. hammocks got alot of looks. when we got to hawkins bridge camp site, it was packed from the cranberry fest. a little girl in the site across from us just kept talking. they sleep in the trees, why dont we?, they dont have a car, they have small stoves, and on and on and on. at 7:30 my son could not find his camera case and we put in our head-lights and started looking around site, but the little girl yelled at the top of her lungs, “the TREE MEN have lights in their heads!!!” and ran in her tent to hide.
just thought it was funny.
her parents didn’t -
Who is buying the Chevy Volt anyway? Well for starters, we the taxpayers are subsidizing to the tune of $7500/car the same people that voted for Obama – rich “progressives” suffering from white guilt. Or as South Park describes them, smug people who like the smell of their own farts. Then of course the Obama administration is buying them. Again, we the taxpayers (side note: the government purchase of GM vehicles has increased 32% in 2011). And in a brilliant marketing strategy, GM itself is purchasing (back) Volts. I hear GM’s next marketing strategy is selling ice to Eskimos.
-
Who is buying the Chevy Volt anyway? Well for starters, we the taxpayers are subsidizing to the tune of $7500/car the same people that voted for Obama – rich “progressives” suffering from white guilt. Or as South Park describes them, smug people who like the smell of their own farts. Then of course the Obama administration is buying them. Again, we the taxpayers (side note: the government purchase of GM vehicles has increased 32% in 2011). And in a brilliant marketing strategy, GM itself is purchasing (back) Volts. I hear GM’s next marketing strategy is selling ice to Eskimos.
-
#39 OK Sarge, YOU WISSIN TEASE! Where is the linkie to the forum, hmmm? Mayhaps others on the couch of wisdom would like to glean knowledge from said sight.
-
#39 OK Sarge, YOU WISSIN TEASE! Where is the linkie to the forum, hmmm? Mayhaps others on the couch of wisdom would like to glean knowledge from said sight.
-
Translation:
“As long as we confine the debate to the way I have defined the terms and conditions, I win.”
¿Cuando no?
-
Translation:
“As long as we confine the debate to the way I have defined the terms and conditions, I win.”¿Cuando no?
-
41 Bonecrusher says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:45 pm
#39 OK Sarge, YOU WISSIN TEASE! Where is the linkie to the forum, hmmm? Mayhaps others on the couch of wisdom would like to glean knowledge from said sight.
Just remember:
Videos post by Shug, Fronkey, and SGT Rock are the best, as is Just Jeff’s website (I think you’ll find all that and more in the stickies.
-
41 Bonecrusher says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:45 pm
#39 OK Sarge, YOU WISSIN TEASE! Where is the linkie to the forum, hmmm? Mayhaps others on the couch of wisdom would like to glean knowledge from said sight.Just remember:
HYOH
Videos post by Shug, Fronkey, and SGT Rock are the best, as is Just Jeff’s website (I think you’ll find all that and more in the stickies. -
40 Hamous says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Who is buying the Chevy Volt anyway? Well for starters, we the taxpayers are subsidizing to the tune of $7500/car the same people that voted for Obama – rich “progressives” suffering from white guilt. Or as South Park describes them, smug people who like the smell of their own farts. Then of course the Obama administration is buying them. Again, we the taxpayers (side note: the government purchase of GM vehicles has increased 32% in 2011). And in a brilliant marketing strategy, GM itself is purchasing (back) Volts. I hear GM’s next marketing strategy is selling ice to Eskimos.
B-b-b-but. We’re not supposed to be debating the efficacy of the government creating artifical markets. We’re supposed to be talking about what government policy we should be used to control the market.
-
40 Hamous says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Who is buying the Chevy Volt anyway? Well for starters, we the taxpayers are subsidizing to the tune of $7500/car the same people that voted for Obama – rich “progressives” suffering from white guilt. Or as South Park describes them, smug people who like the smell of their own farts. Then of course the Obama administration is buying them. Again, we the taxpayers (side note: the government purchase of GM vehicles has increased 32% in 2011). And in a brilliant marketing strategy, GM itself is purchasing (back) Volts. I hear GM’s next marketing strategy is selling ice to Eskimos.B-b-b-but. We’re not supposed to be debating the efficacy of the government creating artifical markets. We’re supposed to be talking about what government policy we should be used to control the market.
-
Methinks Nancy has spent too much time in liberal blogs during his hiatus from LST and has forgotten that there are people out here that don’t accept the underlying premise of liberalism.
-
Methinks Nancy has spent too much time in liberal blogs during his hiatus from LST and has forgotten that there are people out here that don’t accept the underlying premise of liberalism.
-
Adee asked me to post the link below. I’ve added my favorite Allen West video.
We started the Allen West Defense Fund to protect a great American and tremendous patriot from the millions of dollars in special interest funds that will be spent trying to defeat him. But we need Allen West! We’ve already made a maximum direct contribution to his campaign, and we can spend unlimited funds on independent expenditure campaigns on his behalf.
With you’re support, we’re going to launch hard-hitting ads touting Rep. West’s record, roll out a sophisticated internet campaign, and run the sort of grassroots campaign that has turned out tens of thousands of volunteers from across the country.
Please help us stand with Rep. Allen West by making a generous donation today.
Here again is the full e-mail sent to the Weekly Standard by Rep. West:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
-
Adee asked me to post the link below. I’ve added my favorite Allen West video.
We started the Allen West Defense Fund to protect a great American and tremendous patriot from the millions of dollars in special interest funds that will be spent trying to defeat him. But we need Allen West! We’ve already made a maximum direct contribution to his campaign, and we can spend unlimited funds on independent expenditure campaigns on his behalf.
With you’re support, we’re going to launch hard-hitting ads touting Rep. West’s record, roll out a sophisticated internet campaign, and run the sort of grassroots campaign that has turned out tens of thousands of volunteers from across the country.
Please help us stand with Rep. Allen West by making a generous donation today.Here again is the full e-mail sent to the Weekly Standard by Rep. West:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.” -
Here is the link for donations to the Allen West fund mentioned above in #46.
Allen West Defense Fund
http://www.allenwestdefensefund.org
Sorry, but Word Press will not allow me to embed the link for some stupid reason.
-
Here is the link for donations to the Allen West fund mentioned above in #46.
Allen West Defense Fund
http://www.allenwestdefensefund.org
Sorry, but Word Press will not allow me to embed the link for some stupid reason. -
You have superman rights. It ain’t wordpress that won’t allow you to embed.
-
You have superman rights. It ain’t wordpress that won’t allow you to embed.
-
#37 Bonecrusher
Sorry, I had to go walk Gypsy.
Banking does not equal capitalism.
I’m not sure where to begin; lets start off with a simple college economics fact: Banks create money.
For 80 years there were entities called investment banks, these were the engines that drove the American economy, the last one went belly up in early 2009 as a result of the CDS fiasco.
Toady, a lot of capital comes from the government through investment, loan guarantees and the Federal Reserve. Look around there are banks springing up on every corner. All engaged in borrowing money from the government and shuffling it around. You may remember during the dark days of the fiasco it was the federal government that provided the day to day capital to make payroll at most big businesses.
Your point about investors such as Warren Buffet or corporate raiders not having or creating wealth is something that will drag on 20 posts As I have demonstrated in the past, I can go the distance but I’m not sure if other folks are interested. -
#37 Bonecrusher
Sorry, I had to go walk Gypsy.Banking does not equal capitalism.
I’m not sure where to begin; lets start off with a simple college economics fact: Banks create money.
For 80 years there were entities called investment banks, these were the engines that drove the American economy, the last one went belly up in early 2009 as a result of the CDS fiasco.
Toady, a lot of capital comes from the government through investment, loan guarantees and the Federal Reserve. Look around there are banks springing up on every corner. All engaged in borrowing money from the government and shuffling it around. You may remember during the dark days of the fiasco it was the federal government that provided the day to day capital to make payroll at most big businesses.
Your point about investors such as Warren Buffet or corporate raiders not having or creating wealth is something that will drag on 20 posts As I have demonstrated in the past, I can go the distance but I’m not sure if other folks are interested. -
I had an interesting conversation with Hubby at breakfast this morning. It seems that he was told by the men at the shop where he’s getting his boat repaired. It seems that the ethanol being forced upon us in our fuel has a tendency to separate out from the gas if it sits too long. The alcohol floats to the surface of the gasoline, absorbs water, then sinks to the bottom of the tank. When the engine is started up, that liquid is sucked into the engine, destroying all sorts of gaskets and other engine parts. Those who have boats and other infrequent use vehicles are paying for fuel injectors and other parts needing replacement. The only solution is a chemical additive – and not the one you get at the auto parts store.
And he was told something else – how do you know how long the gasoline has been sitting in the underground tanks at the gas station? Always buy your gasoline from a busy station, not some Mom & Pop store who don’t have their tanks filled and refilled often. I believe in supporting small family businesses, but I’m not paying for a new engine to do so.
What happens when the ethanol level is raised?
-
I had an interesting conversation with Hubby at breakfast this morning. It seems that he was told by the men at the shop where he’s getting his boat repaired. It seems that the ethanol being forced upon us in our fuel has a tendency to separate out from the gas if it sits too long. The alcohol floats to the surface of the gasoline, absorbs water, then sinks to the bottom of the tank. When the engine is started up, that liquid is sucked into the engine, destroying all sorts of gaskets and other engine parts. Those who have boats and other infrequent use vehicles are paying for fuel injectors and other parts needing replacement. The only solution is a chemical additive – and not the one you get at the auto parts store.
And he was told something else – how do you know how long the gasoline has been sitting in the underground tanks at the gas station? Always buy your gasoline from a busy station, not some Mom & Pop store who don’t have their tanks filled and refilled often. I believe in supporting small family businesses, but I’m not paying for a new engine to do so.
What happens when the ethanol level is raised? -
I’m not sure where to begin; lets start off with a simple college economics fact: Banks create money.
Umm—
You’re an idiot.
Blog Monkey sez: Um, let’s not go there. There are better ways to get your point across.
-
I’m not sure where to begin; lets start off with a simple college economics fact: Banks create money.
Umm—
You’re an idiot.
Blog Monkey sez: Um, let’s not go there. There are better ways to get your point across. -
#21 shamaal
Generally speaking, natural gas is a byproduct of oil production there’s a steady supply as long a one produces oil. Look at many fields and refineries at night, it’s being flared off; too use your analogy it’s money to burn
Ummmm… No.
Flares at refineries and chemical plants don’t flare off natural gas because it’s too cheap to use or sell. They have flares as a safety device. As long as the process is under control, very little material goes up the flare stack – usually just enough to keep it lit, plus some steam to entrain air into the flame so it burns cleaner. When you see a yellow flame, especially a big smoky one, it means that something happened to upset the process. Instead of allowing pressure to build or let flammable/hazardous material get released into the atmosphere, it gets sent up the flare to be burned.
Flares on offshore platforms are there because there is insufficient natural gas to warrant its being captured to be sold. It is vented and burned off so it doesn’t either bubble up around the base of the platform and explode or remain in the oil and cause problems in transport and storage.
Generally, oil wells are intended to produce only oil. Gas is explored for and produced as gas alone. The shale gas we’ve been hearing so much about regarding “fracking” is not a byproduct of oil exploration; it is a product of gas exploration.
-
#21 shamaal
Generally speaking, natural gas is a byproduct of oil production there’s a steady supply as long a one produces oil. Look at many fields and refineries at night, it’s being flared off; too use your analogy it’s money to burn
Ummmm… No.
Flares at refineries and chemical plants don’t flare off natural gas because it’s too cheap to use or sell. They have flares as a safety device. As long as the process is under control, very little material goes up the flare stack – usually just enough to keep it lit, plus some steam to entrain air into the flame so it burns cleaner. When you see a yellow flame, especially a big smoky one, it means that something happened to upset the process. Instead of allowing pressure to build or let flammable/hazardous material get released into the atmosphere, it gets sent up the flare to be burned.
Flares on offshore platforms are there because there is insufficient natural gas to warrant its being captured to be sold. It is vented and burned off so it doesn’t either bubble up around the base of the platform and explode or remain in the oil and cause problems in transport and storage.
Generally, oil wells are intended to produce only oil. Gas is explored for and produced as gas alone. The shale gas we’ve been hearing so much about regarding “fracking” is not a byproduct of oil exploration; it is a product of gas exploration. -
I’m listening to a Pandora Station I created based on Guy Clark and other songer/songwriter’s works, particularly Texas artists. It never ceases to amaze me who Pandora thinks belongs in there.
What in the corn bread Hell did anyone ever see in Tom Friggin Rush?
-
I’m listening to a Pandora Station I created based on Guy Clark and other songer/songwriter’s works, particularly Texas artists. It never ceases to amaze me who Pandora thinks belongs in there.
What in the corn bread Hell did anyone ever see in Tom Friggin Rush? -
For many years up north we used a product called Heet in our gas tanks. Over the years condensation in the tanks dropped to the bottom of the tank and rusted them out. Heet was alcohol that mixed with the water and also mixed with the gasoline and allowed you to burn off the water.
I’m not familiar with any chemical circumstance that separates alcohol from gasoline, allows it to float where it aborbs water then sinks. It sounds like one of those rumors spread by the petroleum folks when ethanol first came on the scene.
And yes, there is a lot of crud in station tanks, including mislabeled 87 octane gasoline being sold as 93. If the gas price is too high, the gas sits regardless of the owner. I do remember this rumor being spread when the established oil companies were forcing the independents out. I don’t see as many independents as I used to.
-
For many years up north we used a product called Heet in our gas tanks. Over the years condensation in the tanks dropped to the bottom of the tank and rusted them out. Heet was alcohol that mixed with the water and also mixed with the gasoline and allowed you to burn off the water.
I’m not familiar with any chemical circumstance that separates alcohol from gasoline, allows it to float where it aborbs water then sinks. It sounds like one of those rumors spread by the petroleum folks when ethanol first came on the scene.
And yes, there is a lot of crud in station tanks, including mislabeled 87 octane gasoline being sold as 93. If the gas price is too high, the gas sits regardless of the owner. I do remember this rumor being spread when the established oil companies were forcing the independents out. I don’t see as many independents as I used to. -
After his ‘oops’ moment and overall poor showings in the debates, tRick Perry enrolls in a Debating Skills for Urban Cowboy Dummies class.
-
After his ‘oops’ moment and overall poor showings in the debates, tRick Perry enrolls in a Debating Skills for Urban Cowboy Dummies class.
-
Pin danko rub poodle slobber knickerbocker spark plug. No soap, radio. Tinting rabble flummox indigo roopooter.
-
Pin danko rub poodle slobber knickerbocker spark plug. No soap, radio. Tinting rabble flummox indigo roopooter.
-
#52 wagonburner
Generally, oil wells are intended to produce only oil. Gas is explored for and produced as gas alone. The shale gas we’ve been hearing so much about regarding “fracking” is not a byproduct of oil exploration; it is a product of gas exploration.
OK ….. I don’t think I wrote anything that contradicts that.
I remember an electrical outage we had in Al Khobar in Saudi Arabia. The Eastern province had invested in natural gas plants to generate electricity. There wasn’t much else to do with it. One of those periodic snits came around when oil production was halted and in 3 days, there was insufficient natural gas to operate the generating plants. The desalination plants had been given higher priority. The Saudis (Aramco) had worked themselves into a distribution nightmare where they had to keep producing to keep the natural gas going.
Before my current job I built designed and built coil tubing rigs for well interventions. Natural gas well cleanouts were a large part of our operations.
-
#52 wagonburner
Generally, oil wells are intended to produce only oil. Gas is explored for and produced as gas alone. The shale gas we’ve been hearing so much about regarding “fracking” is not a byproduct of oil exploration; it is a product of gas exploration.
OK ….. I don’t think I wrote anything that contradicts that.
I remember an electrical outage we had in Al Khobar in Saudi Arabia. The Eastern province had invested in natural gas plants to generate electricity. There wasn’t much else to do with it. One of those periodic snits came around when oil production was halted and in 3 days, there was insufficient natural gas to operate the generating plants. The desalination plants had been given higher priority. The Saudis (Aramco) had worked themselves into a distribution nightmare where they had to keep producing to keep the natural gas going.
Before my current job I built designed and built coil tubing rigs for well interventions. Natural gas well cleanouts were a large part of our operations. -
Before my current job I built designed and built coil tubing rigs for well interventions. Natural gas well cleanouts were a large part of our operations.
Turnbuckle snafflebit trounces featherweight. Dinch wallop down flanders.
-
Before my current job I built designed and built coil tubing rigs for well interventions. Natural gas well cleanouts were a large part of our operations.
Turnbuckle snafflebit trounces featherweight. Dinch wallop down flanders.
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Neat!Is that what Blog Monkey does?
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Neat!
Is that what Blog Monkey does? -
A man arrested this week in North Carolina may have stashed a .38 barrel revolver in his rectum, according to police, who reported that the unloaded 10-inch weapon was not discovered until after the suspect had been booked into a cell in the county jail.
Rectum? Heck it darned near killed him!
-
A man arrested this week in North Carolina may have stashed a .38 barrel revolver in his rectum, according to police, who reported that the unloaded 10-inch weapon was not discovered until after the suspect had been booked into a cell in the county jail.
Rectum? Heck it darned near killed him!
-
#50 Tedtam, alcohol has been a problem for at least 20 years, they started using it to boost octane and improve emissions back in the late 80’s early 90’s. Is this the first boat that you’ve had or maybe the first one in a long time? I ALWAYS use a good quality marine fuel stabilizer, it’s a LOT CHEAPER than repairing the engine.
For my Mercuriser, Chevy V8 alpha one sterndrive, I use Mercruiser Quickare in every tank of fuel and Quickstor over the winter months. 😉 -
#50 Tedtam, alcohol has been a problem for at least 20 years, they started using it to boost octane and improve emissions back in the late 80’s early 90’s. Is this the first boat that you’ve had or maybe the first one in a long time? I ALWAYS use a good quality marine fuel stabilizer, it’s a LOT CHEAPER than repairing the engine.
For my Mercuriser, Chevy V8 alpha one sterndrive, I use Mercruiser Quickare in every tank of fuel and Quickstor over the winter months. 😉 -
Can anyone play? Spin digger globe waltzing, canto among?
-
Can anyone play? Spin digger globe waltzing, canto among?
-
An Ybor City restaurant’s name has taken on a new meaning after some say the image of the Virgin Mary appeared on one of its walls.
The restaurant is Hamburger Mary’s and the image first got attention over the weekend after some customers noted its appearance on a stainless steel plate on the wall near the kitchen.From one of the comments
This is not a miracle. A miracle would be going into a hamburger place, eating a large order of fries and a bacon double cheeseburger, and then losing 5 pounds. This is just an active imagination.
-
An Ybor City restaurant’s name has taken on a new meaning after some say the image of the Virgin Mary appeared on one of its walls.
The restaurant is Hamburger Mary’s and the image first got attention over the weekend after some customers noted its appearance on a stainless steel plate on the wall near the kitchen.From one of the comments
This is not a miracle. A miracle would be going into a hamburger place, eating a large order of fries and a bacon double cheeseburger, and then losing 5 pounds. This is just an active imagination.
-
I’m only repeating what Hubby was told. While he was there, two guys came in for replacement fuel injectors.
-
I’m only repeating what Hubby was told. While he was there, two guys came in for replacement fuel injectors.
-
#54 #64
FWIW; The “well known” corrosion and water separating problems with alcohol additives have been discussed in boating circles for years. I Googled it and found this; Ethanol Fuel. -
#54 #64
FWIW; The “well known” corrosion and water separating problems with alcohol additives have been discussed in boating circles for years. I Googled it and found this; Ethanol Fuel. -
Re the above link. The boat repair guys also mentioned the fiberglass fuel tank problems.
-
Re the above link. The boat repair guys also mentioned the fiberglass fuel tank problems.
-
To add to SD’s information, if there is sufficient water in the ethanol blend it sinks with the ethanol to the bottom of the tank, the process is called phase separation. When the mix is picked up it’s especially tough on two stroke engines. The Quickare that SD mentioned earlier is sold on Amazon as Quickare Ethanol Treatment. I’m guessing it adds more alcohol to increase the ratio. {alcohol not ethanol]
When phase separation occurs in an ethanol blended gasoline, the water will actually begin to remove the ethanol from the gasoline. Therefore, the second phase which can occur in ethanol blends contains both ethanol and water, as opposed to just water in MTBE blends and conventional gasoline. In the case of two-stroke engines, this water-ethanol phase will compete with the blended oil for bonding to the metal engine parts. Therefore, the engine will not have enough lubrication, and engine damage may result.
In the case of four-stroke engines, the water-ethanol phase may combust in the engine. This combustion can be damaging to the engine because the water ethanol phase creates a leaner combustion mixture (i.e. air to fuel ratio is higher than ideal). Leaner mixtures tend to combust at higher temperatures, and can damage engines, particularly those without sensors to calibrate air to fuel ratios. -
To add to SD’s information, if there is sufficient water in the ethanol blend it sinks with the ethanol to the bottom of the tank, the process is called phase separation. When the mix is picked up it’s especially tough on two stroke engines. The Quickare that SD mentioned earlier is sold on Amazon as Quickare Ethanol Treatment. I’m guessing it adds more alcohol to increase the ratio. {alcohol not ethanol]
Technically speakingWhen phase separation occurs in an ethanol blended gasoline, the water will actually begin to remove the ethanol from the gasoline. Therefore, the second phase which can occur in ethanol blends contains both ethanol and water, as opposed to just water in MTBE blends and conventional gasoline. In the case of two-stroke engines, this water-ethanol phase will compete with the blended oil for bonding to the metal engine parts. Therefore, the engine will not have enough lubrication, and engine damage may result.
In the case of four-stroke engines, the water-ethanol phase may combust in the engine. This combustion can be damaging to the engine because the water ethanol phase creates a leaner combustion mixture (i.e. air to fuel ratio is higher than ideal). Leaner mixtures tend to combust at higher temperatures, and can damage engines, particularly those without sensors to calibrate air to fuel ratios. -
62 mharper42 says:
January 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Can anyone play? Spin digger globe waltzing, canto among?
Yah;
But nobody can beat Shamwow when he’s talking economics.
-
62 mharper42 says:
January 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Can anyone play? Spin digger globe waltzing, canto among?Yah;
But nobody can beat Shamwow when he’s talking economics. -
I have a real problem with the opinion that you’re not engaged in capitalism unless you are engaged in the production, manufacture or sales of a widget.
-
I have a real problem with the opinion that you’re not engaged in capitalism unless you are engaged in the production, manufacture or sales of a widget.
-
69 Shannon says:
January 14, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I have a real problem with the opinion that you’re not engaged in capitalism unless you are engaged in the manufacture or sales of a widget.
If you are trading anything of value for another thing of value you are engaging in capitalism.
That includes the labor you trade to your employer for pictures of dead presidents.
-
69 Shannon says:
January 14, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I have a real problem with the opinion that you’re not engaged in capitalism unless you are engaged in the manufacture or sales of a widget.If you are trading anything of value for another thing of value you are engaging in capitalism.
That includes the labor you trade to your employer for pictures of dead presidents. -
But apparently, the banks create the pictures of dead presidents.
Here I thought it was trading value that did that.
-
But apparently, the banks create the pictures of dead presidents.
Here I thought it was trading value that did that. -
#71 LOL, not exactly Sarge, you’re thinking of currency. That’s a Federal Government (coinage) responsibility. 😉
The US employs what’s called a fractional reserve system. In practice, this means banks possess base money governed by a multiplier set by the Federal Reserve. The base money multiplied by the multiplier (reserve) is what the bank has to lend, it really is something from nothing. Ideally the difference is secured by assets of some sort. How this came about starts with Alexander Hamilton. After this it gets complicated feel free to Google the term and start surfing.
The “banks create money” term really is the second week in economics. Again, this one is an easy one to Google. There’s probably a Schoolhouse Rock associated with it. 😉 Feel free to ask questions, this really is how the capital side of capitalism works.
As to how it should work, that’s an excellent discussion topic for those still awake.
-
#71 LOL, not exactly Sarge, you’re thinking of currency. That’s a Federal Government (coinage) responsibility. 😉
The US employs what’s called a fractional reserve system. In practice, this means banks possess base money governed by a multiplier set by the Federal Reserve. The base money multiplied by the multiplier (reserve) is what the bank has to lend, it really is something from nothing. Ideally the difference is secured by assets of some sort. How this came about starts with Alexander Hamilton. After this it gets complicated feel free to Google the term and start surfing.
The “banks create money” term really is the second week in economics. Again, this one is an easy one to Google. There’s probably a Schoolhouse Rock associated with it. 😉 Feel free to ask questions, this really is how the capital side of capitalism works.
As to how it should work, that’s an excellent discussion topic for those still awake. -
In practice, its value that creates money. I created value in myself when I pursued training and experience in then field of Structural Steel Detailing, specializing in Pre-Engineered Structures. Hamous created value in himself when he pursued an education in (I bleive) chemi al engineering. Bonecrusher created value in himself when he learned to crush bones. We trade that value to our employers. Our employers add to that value by using management to combine the labor value of all of his employees, management of capital to which he has acess to, and marketing the product or service which he produces.
It doesn’t really matter what they taught you in second week of Econ 101. Value creates money.
-
In practice, its value that creates money. I created value in myself when I pursued training and experience in then field of Structural Steel Detailing, specializing in Pre-Engineered Structures. Hamous created value in himself when he pursued an education in (I bleive) chemi al engineering. Bonecrusher created value in himself when he learned to crush bones. We trade that value to our employers. Our employers add to that value by using management to combine the labor value of all of his employees, management of capital to which he has acess to, and marketing the product or service which he produces.
It doesn’t really matter what they taught you in second week of Econ 101. Value creates money. -
All right, I’ll continue to play.
Exchange of something for something else is trade.
Bonecrusher’s intrinsic value gained from crushing bones has value only in self esteem and whatever he can trade his services for. If he crushes a metacarpal in exchange for a turnip, he has engaged in trade. If he exchanges the turnip at the Webster Turnip Exchange for a dollar he has still engaged in trade, only this time the turnip is exchanged for money. The money may be in the form of a commonly agreed to medium of exchange, such as currency – Federal Reserve Notes (Federal Reserve promises), a ledger increase in a bank account, a check (promissory note) or any of a multitude of money instruments.
At no time was money created, only exchanged. -
All right, I’ll continue to play.
Exchange of something for something else is trade.
Bonecrusher’s intrinsic value gained from crushing bones has value only in self esteem and whatever he can trade his services for. If he crushes a metacarpal in exchange for a turnip, he has engaged in trade. If he exchanges the turnip at the Webster Turnip Exchange for a dollar he has still engaged in trade, only this time the turnip is exchanged for money. The money may be in the form of a commonly agreed to medium of exchange, such as currency – Federal Reserve Notes (Federal Reserve promises), a ledger increase in a bank account, a check (promissory note) or any of a multitude of money instruments.
At no time was money created, only exchanged. -
Bonecrusher’s intrinsic value gained from crushing bones has value only in self esteem and whatever he can trade his services for.
If that thing he trades for is moneyu, then it is his value that created the money. If people held money valueless, then he’d trade his value for something else.
Create all the money you want. If it holds no value, its meaningless.
Value creates money.
-
Bonecrusher’s intrinsic value gained from crushing bones has value only in self esteem and whatever he can trade his services for.
If that thing he trades for is moneyu, then it is his value that created the money. If people held money valueless, then he’d trade his value for something else.
Create all the money you want. If it holds no value, its meaningless.
Value creates money. -
I’m heading out now to spend the evening with someone pleasant and intelligent and worth talking to.
-
I’m heading out now to spend the evening with someone pleasant and intelligent and worth talking to.
-
The US employs what’s called a fractional reserve system. In practice, this means banks possess base money governed by a multiplier set by the Federal Reserve. The base money multiplied by the multiplier (reserve) is what the bank has to lend, it really is something from nothing. Ideally the difference is secured by assets of some sort. How this came about starts with Alexander Hamilton.
As disturbing as the above may be, it is true. Banks do create money out of thin air called loans. Those loans are base on the deposits in the bank. The bank is only required to keep 10% or so of each individual loan in reserve, the rest can be loaned out. Each loan is then counted as another deposit and that money re-loaned again; therefore, money (in the form of a loan) is created from nothing. This all works great until a portion of those who took out loans default on them and/or a portion of the depositors want their money back. When you get critical mass of one or both of the above, the bank becomes insolvent. When you get a critical mass of banks becoming insolvent the system collapses and you get a recession/depression in your country and the currency usually has to be scrapped and you start over. This problem is not as likely to happen when the economy is growing, in real terms – ie inflation adjusted, and more likely when the economy is contracting. When governments borrow too much, the debt burden (fixed interest costs) becomes too great and it sucks all the available capital out of the markets and the market contracts. When the market contracts, the pressure on the govt increases. The time buying solution that is often sought always becomes the ultimate downfall, monetizing the debt. Monetizing the debt means that the govt simply prints more money to cover its borrowing costs. The additional supply of money makes the existing currency worth less and you get run-away inflation; see Weimar Republic in Germany, Argentina at the turn of the century, Mexico, Zimbabwe and the Phillipines for examples of this happening.
It will happen to the US, it is only a matter of time.
Thank you JugEars for accelerating us past the point of no return. -
The US employs what’s called a fractional reserve system. In practice, this means banks possess base money governed by a multiplier set by the Federal Reserve. The base money multiplied by the multiplier (reserve) is what the bank has to lend, it really is something from nothing. Ideally the difference is secured by assets of some sort. How this came about starts with Alexander Hamilton.
As disturbing as the above may be, it is true. Banks do create money out of thin air called loans. Those loans are base on the deposits in the bank. The bank is only required to keep 10% or so of each individual loan in reserve, the rest can be loaned out. Each loan is then counted as another deposit and that money re-loaned again; therefore, money (in the form of a loan) is created from nothing. This all works great until a portion of those who took out loans default on them and/or a portion of the depositors want their money back. When you get critical mass of one or both of the above, the bank becomes insolvent. When you get a critical mass of banks becoming insolvent the system collapses and you get a recession/depression in your country and the currency usually has to be scrapped and you start over. This problem is not as likely to happen when the economy is growing, in real terms – ie inflation adjusted, and more likely when the economy is contracting. When governments borrow too much, the debt burden (fixed interest costs) becomes too great and it sucks all the available capital out of the markets and the market contracts. When the market contracts, the pressure on the govt increases. The time buying solution that is often sought always becomes the ultimate downfall, monetizing the debt. Monetizing the debt means that the govt simply prints more money to cover its borrowing costs. The additional supply of money makes the existing currency worth less and you get run-away inflation; see Weimar Republic in Germany, Argentina at the turn of the century, Mexico, Zimbabwe and the Phillipines for examples of this happening.
It will happen to the US, it is only a matter of time.
Thank you JugEars for accelerating us past the point of no return. -
Let’s look at the banks create money concept.
Sarge comes to the First National Bank of Hamous and deposits 10 dollars. Hamous agrees (contracts) to pay Sarge 1% interest annually.
Ms Tedtam comes to the FNBH and asks for an unsecured (signature) loan of 5 dollars. FNBH cheerfully obliges and provides her with a crisp picture of Lincoln at an interest rate of 2%.
The FNBH has just created 5 dollars. The 10 dollars that Sarge provided and the 5 dollars that they lent Ms Tedtam. There is now 15 dollars in circulation.
But what if Sarge wants his 10 dollars back? All FNBH has on hand is 5 dollars. The FNBH now turns to the Federal Reserve and borrows 5 dollars at 1% interest and pays Sarge.
The banks assets now consist of Ms. Tedtam’s debt of 5 dollars plus 2% interest and their liability now consists of 5 dollars plus 1% interest. Assuming Ms Tedtam pays her bills on time, the bank is sitting on 1% interest profit.This is somewhat simplistic, in reality there is a reserve rate that limits the amount of money that FNBH must keep in its vaults and the Federal Reserve over night rate is lower than the long term lending rate (discount) that the federal reserve charges. But the principle is basically the same. If the bank mismanages Sarge’s money, his deposit is guaranteed up to a certain value by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC)
-
Let’s look at the banks create money concept.
Sarge comes to the First National Bank of Hamous and deposits 10 dollars. Hamous agrees (contracts) to pay Sarge 1% interest annually.
Ms Tedtam comes to the FNBH and asks for an unsecured (signature) loan of 5 dollars. FNBH cheerfully obliges and provides her with a crisp picture of Lincoln at an interest rate of 2%.
The FNBH has just created 5 dollars. The 10 dollars that Sarge provided and the 5 dollars that they lent Ms Tedtam. There is now 15 dollars in circulation.
But what if Sarge wants his 10 dollars back? All FNBH has on hand is 5 dollars. The FNBH now turns to the Federal Reserve and borrows 5 dollars at 1% interest and pays Sarge.
The banks assets now consist of Ms. Tedtam’s debt of 5 dollars plus 2% interest and their liability now consists of 5 dollars plus 1% interest. Assuming Ms Tedtam pays her bills on time, the bank is sitting on 1% interest profit.
This is somewhat simplistic, in reality there is a reserve rate that limits the amount of money that FNBH must keep in its vaults and the Federal Reserve over night rate is lower than the long term lending rate (discount) that the federal reserve charges. But the principle is basically the same. If the bank mismanages Sarge’s money, his deposit is guaranteed up to a certain value by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) -
#75 Sarge:
Value creates money.
The value of money is expressed in how many units of currency will buy a fixed amount of something; this is most frequently expressed in the price of gold.
Money is a store of value, when that store is increased with nothing to back it up, each unit of money loses value because of its reduction in relative scarcity. Currency does not equal wealth; price does not equal value.
Around 1900, 1 oz of gold would buy a very high quality 3-piece suit, shirt, tie, belt, and shoes; at the time, an ounce of gold cost about $20. That same ounce of gold will buy the same things of similar quality today, but the cost of gold today is closer to $1600 per ounce, therefore each of our dollars is worth less than it was around 1900. -
#75 Sarge:
Value creates money.
The value of money is expressed in how many units of currency will buy a fixed amount of something; this is most frequently expressed in the price of gold.
Money is a store of value, when that store is increased with nothing to back it up, each unit of money loses value because of its reduction in relative scarcity. Currency does not equal wealth; price does not equal value.
Around 1900, 1 oz of gold would buy a very high quality 3-piece suit, shirt, tie, belt, and shoes; at the time, an ounce of gold cost about $20. That same ounce of gold will buy the same things of similar quality today, but the cost of gold today is closer to $1600 per ounce, therefore each of our dollars is worth less than it was around 1900. -
I find that I am in agreement with Shamaal, I may have to go and wash my brain out with soap.
-
I find that I am in agreement with Shamaal, I may have to go and wash my brain out with soap.
-
76
You old letch. -
76
You old letch. -
#77 Bonecrusher
Good grasp, I suspect that’s enough for tonight. IMHO, anytime the government competes with private capital, except in times of extreme duress, there’s trouble. If you have some time research Glass-Steagall and if I’m available we can discuss tomorrow.
-
#77 Bonecrusher
Good grasp, I suspect that’s enough for tonight. IMHO, anytime the government competes with private capital, except in times of extreme duress, there’s trouble. If you have some time research Glass-Steagall and if I’m available we can discuss tomorrow. -
Texpat 46 & 47, Thank you, sir.
-
Texpat 46 & 47, Thank you, sir.
-
#48 Hamous
I forgot to embed the link before I posted the original comment. Everytime I tried to correct it by placing the link in embed in the edit page, it would place the code at the very beginning of the post – no matter where I tried to highlight and embed it. This happened to me once before a few months ago.
-
#48 Hamous
I forgot to embed the link before I posted the original comment. Everytime I tried to correct it by placing the link in embed in the edit page, it would place the code at the very beginning of the post – no matter where I tried to highlight and embed it. This happened to me once before a few months ago. -
Texpat #6;
LOL.
My two favorite liberal lines used in that animation were, “sometimes you have to die for something I believe in,” and, “the Constitution is just and excuse for people to tell me I can’t implament my ideas. Che Guevara would be proud.
-
Texpat #6;
LOL.
My two favorite liberal lines used in that animation were, “sometimes you have to die for something I believe in,” and, “the Constitution is just and excuse for people to tell me I can’t implament my ideas. Che Guevara would be proud. -
SO has gone to run an errand and left me unattended near a computer.
In your example above, the bank created nothing. It was the value Tedtam placed on what she could buy with the $5.00 that created the money. If, for instance, she placed a higher value on rutabegas, she could go to the farmer and see if she could trade $5.00 worht of rutabegas for $5.00 worth of plumbing. If he has no immediate need for the plumbing, she may be able to strike a deal with him whereby he gives her $5.00 worth of retebegas in exchange for $7.00 worth of plumbing in the future. No actual plumbing was created—-although a new market for plumbing insurance in exchange for rutabegas has been.
Money is merely a tool that makes it easier to exchange value, one that the banks can take advantage of. The Federal Reserve is how the government controls the value of the money and, as a consequence of that, the value of other things.
For instance, Mr. Obama’s economic policies have resulted in a lowering of the value of labor—to the point that less of it has been needed in this country since he took office. his attempts at creating artificial markets in electric cars and broken down combustion engine vehicles, as is your attempt at justifying the government devising a policy that would make the domestic price of natural gas high enough that we would not “need” to sell it overseas (and thus achieve energy independence?) are just a few examples.
The value each of us has in our labor is what makes us all Capitalists. Mt. Obama’s attempts at Socialism Lite has reduced that value, as most government interventions in the market place reduce the value of whatever it is they are getting thier fingers into.
-
SO has gone to run an errand and left me unattended near a computer.
In your example above, the bank created nothing. It was the value Tedtam placed on what she could buy with the $5.00 that created the money. If, for instance, she placed a higher value on rutabegas, she could go to the farmer and see if she could trade $5.00 worht of rutabegas for $5.00 worth of plumbing. If he has no immediate need for the plumbing, she may be able to strike a deal with him whereby he gives her $5.00 worth of retebegas in exchange for $7.00 worth of plumbing in the future. No actual plumbing was created—-although a new market for plumbing insurance in exchange for rutabegas has been.
Money is merely a tool that makes it easier to exchange value, one that the banks can take advantage of. The Federal Reserve is how the government controls the value of the money and, as a consequence of that, the value of other things.
For instance, Mr. Obama’s economic policies have resulted in a lowering of the value of labor—to the point that less of it has been needed in this country since he took office. his attempts at creating artificial markets in electric cars and broken down combustion engine vehicles, as is your attempt at justifying the government devising a policy that would make the domestic price of natural gas high enough that we would not “need” to sell it overseas (and thus achieve energy independence?) are just a few examples.
The value each of us has in our labor is what makes us all Capitalists. Mt. Obama’s attempts at Socialism Lite has reduced that value, as most government interventions in the market place reduce the value of whatever it is they are getting thier fingers into. -
Decades ago, I was a big fan of some shows on PBS: Nova, Masterpiece Theater, Mystery, and maybe a few others. Nowadays, it is extremely rare for me to go to Channel 8. Friday night, I did, by accident: I was aiming for 9 (Fox on Comcast) but missed. I was startled to find myself in the middle of a self-promoting commercial for PBS as the “most trusted news source in America.” Judy Woodruff smirked, “The people have spoken.”
This sent me to Google to find out what they could possibly be talking about. Apparently it’s from a series of polls that PBS has been paying for every year since about 2004. These polls are done by Roper: “The gold standard of public opinion research, the Roper Poll is one of the most trusted sources of objective consumer intelligence on issues across nearly every dimension of life.” That’s from their own website on their parent company at gfkamerica.com. Gfk is a big international PR and marketing company headquartered in Germany.
Now, I don’t know enough about Roper or Gfk to know if I would trust any of their work, but I sure don’t trust this poll result:
New Research Confirms PBS the Most Trusted and Unbiased Source for News Ahead of Fox News Channel, CNN and Other Commercial Networks
That’s for their Jan 2010 poll but apparently they had the same result for 2011 and probably will again this year.
-
Decades ago, I was a big fan of some shows on PBS: Nova, Masterpiece Theater, Mystery, and maybe a few others. Nowadays, it is extremely rare for me to go to Channel 8. Friday night, I did, by accident: I was aiming for 9 (Fox on Comcast) but missed. I was startled to find myself in the middle of a self-promoting commercial for PBS as the “most trusted news source in America.” Judy Woodruff smirked, “The people have spoken.”
This sent me to Google to find out what they could possibly be talking about. Apparently it’s from a series of polls that PBS has been paying for every year since about 2004. These polls are done by Roper: “The gold standard of public opinion research, the Roper Poll is one of the most trusted sources of objective consumer intelligence on issues across nearly every dimension of life.” That’s from their own website on their parent company at gfkamerica.com. Gfk is a big international PR and marketing company headquartered in Germany.
Now, I don’t know enough about Roper or Gfk to know if I would trust any of their work, but I sure don’t trust this poll result:New Research Confirms PBS the Most Trusted and Unbiased Source for News Ahead of Fox News Channel, CNN and Other Commercial Networks
That’s for their Jan 2010 poll but apparently they had the same result for 2011 and probably will again this year.
-
#40;
I hear GM’s next marketing strategy is selling ice to Eskimos.
Why didn’t Al Gore think of that? Global warming will melt all the Eskimo’s natural ice.
-
#40;
I hear GM’s next marketing strategy is selling ice to Eskimos.
Why didn’t Al Gore think of that? Global warming will melt all the Eskimo’s natural ice.
-
That San Fran defense are some baaaaaaaaad men.
Wow. -
That San Fran defense are some baaaaaaaaad men.
Wow. -
¿Cuando no [te gana así]?
Que bueno español maestro hamster Hamous. Recuérdete de votar para Ted Cruz a este noviembre.
-
¿Cuando no [te gana así]?
Que bueno español maestro hamster Hamous. Recuérdete de votar para Ted Cruz a este noviembre.
-
But now they’re behind 32-29—1:37 left in the game.
-
But now they’re behind 32-29—1:37 left in the game.
-
And now it looks like SF will win.
-
And now it looks like SF will win.
-
#87 mharper
The PBS radio News Shows: NPR, Morning Edition and Weekend edition have the highest ratings on radio. If sliced and diced (Rush does not broadcast on weekends) I believe Rush holds the higher numbers. I suspect this is what drives a large part of the opinion poll.
-
#87 mharper
The PBS radio News Shows: NPR, Morning Edition and Weekend edition have the highest ratings on radio. If sliced and diced (Rush does not broadcast on weekends) I believe Rush holds the higher numbers. I suspect this is what drives a large part of the opinion poll. -
HollllllleeeSCHMIDT I’m sure glad I was in BACA traning seminars all day!!
-
HollllllleeeSCHMIDT I’m sure glad I was in BACA traning seminars all day!!
-
An interesting Supreme Court ruling earlier this week. It was brought up a couple times here but no discussion ensued.
The case involves a Lutheran teacher fired by the church for filing an Americans with Disability discrimination lawsuit. The church argued that she was a minister and therefore subject to ecclesiastical law and could be dismissed for going outside the church.The case did not hinge on whether Cheryl Perich suffered discrimination because of an ailment. Rather, the court had to decide whether the nature and extent of her religious “functions” made her a minister, and thus subject to the church’s Bible-based disciplinary procedures.
The court ruled unanimously in the churches favour
“The authority to select and control who will minister to the faithful – a matter strictly ecclesiastical – is the church’s alone,” the high court stated. “The church must be free to choose those who will guide it on its way.”
The church did not address however, what constitutes a minister – a title or a function. In this case there was enough evidence that she was a minister and therefore subject to canonical law. But what about other employees, can the church fire the cafeteria lady because she uses birth control?
FWIW, I agree with the ruling as it is another example of the Court avoiding getting caught up in ecclesiastical affairs. By not getting involved the court upholds the church’s authority over American civil law.There’s been a couple instances where the Court has upheld Halakha, Mormon and Catholic over American civil law. It must be noted that the exceptions apply to civil law only and not criminal law.
The reason I bring the topic up is because the 10th Circuit Court has stayed enforcement of a silly law passed in Oklahoma preventing judges from basing rulings on international law — and specifically mentions Shariah law. The stay was based on the first amendment. Just as the government has no business monkeying around in how the church goes about its business, the states have no business in how Muslims conduct their own affairs, subject to criminal laws of course. Leave the religious stuff to the religion guys and keep the government out. -
An interesting Supreme Court ruling earlier this week. It was brought up a couple times here but no discussion ensued.
The case involves a Lutheran teacher fired by the church for filing an Americans with Disability discrimination lawsuit. The church argued that she was a minister and therefore subject to ecclesiastical law and could be dismissed for going outside the church.The case did not hinge on whether Cheryl Perich suffered discrimination because of an ailment. Rather, the court had to decide whether the nature and extent of her religious “functions” made her a minister, and thus subject to the church’s Bible-based disciplinary procedures.
The court ruled unanimously in the churches favour
“The authority to select and control who will minister to the faithful – a matter strictly ecclesiastical – is the church’s alone,” the high court stated. “The church must be free to choose those who will guide it on its way.”
The church did not address however, what constitutes a minister – a title or a function. In this case there was enough evidence that she was a minister and therefore subject to canonical law. But what about other employees, can the church fire the cafeteria lady because she uses birth control?
FWIW, I agree with the ruling as it is another example of the Court avoiding getting caught up in ecclesiastical affairs. By not getting involved the court upholds the church’s authority over American civil law.There’s been a couple instances where the Court has upheld Halakha, Mormon and Catholic over American civil law. It must be noted that the exceptions apply to civil law only and not criminal law.
The reason I bring the topic up is because the 10th Circuit Court has stayed enforcement of a silly law passed in Oklahoma preventing judges from basing rulings on international law — and specifically mentions Shariah law. The stay was based on the first amendment. Just as the government has no business monkeying around in how the church goes about its business, the states have no business in how Muslims conduct their own affairs, subject to criminal laws of course. Leave the religious stuff to the religion guys and keep the government out. -
#94 Katfishy
🙂
The Long-Winded Professor has overtaken the Couch! We are helpless before these onslaughts. Some Hamsters are crouching behind the cushions, others have abandoned all hope and are contemplating suicide. I’ve spent part of the evening sampling bits & pieces linked off Texpat’s recent find Jaded Haven blog. Very uneven quality- and outlook-wise, no reliable relief there.We need an exorcism.
-
#94 Katfishy
🙂
The Long-Winded Professor has overtaken the Couch! We are helpless before these onslaughts. Some Hamsters are crouching behind the cushions, others have abandoned all hope and are contemplating suicide. I’ve spent part of the evening sampling bits & pieces linked off Texpat’s recent find Jaded Haven blog. Very uneven quality- and outlook-wise, no reliable relief there.
We need an exorcism. -
Sarge, please come back and link us up to some camping catalogs or something, for pity’s sake, man.
-
Sarge, please come back and link us up to some camping catalogs or something, for pity’s sake, man.
-
I hope the Patriots pull an Oilers in the second half.
-
I hope the Patriots pull an Oilers in the second half.
-
100?
-
100?
-
#98 Thanks, Brother Phil, that did help.
-
#98 Thanks, Brother Phil, that did help.
-
95 shamaal
Here’s some further discussion on the decision. If you are interested in some detailed “inside baseball”, be sure to read Phil Brandt in the Comments section.
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2012/01/what-comes-after-hosanna-tabor
-
95 shamaal
Here’s some further discussion on the decision. If you are interested in some detailed “inside baseball”, be sure to read Phil Brandt in the Comments section.
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2012/01/what-comes-after-hosanna-tabor -
#95 shamaal
SCOTUS got it right and there is a lot of thoughtful opinion in the ruling. The concurrences are the most interesting.
Alito, with Kagan joining:
Religious autonomy means that religious authorities must be free to determine who is qualified to serve in positions of substantial religious importance. Different religions will have different views on exactly what qualifies as an important religious position, but it is nonetheless possible to identify a general category of “employees” whose functions are essential to the independence of practically all religious groups. These include those who serve in positions of leadership, those who perform important functions in worship services and in the performance of religious ceremonies and rituals, and those who are entrusted with teaching and conveying the tenets of the faith to the next generation.
Justice Thomas concurs and rejects the impulse for the judicial branch to start defining what exactly constitutes a “minister” since we, as he rightly points out, will find religions starting to contour that definition to secular governmental guidelines.
A religious organization’s right to choose its ministers would be hollow, however, if secular courts could secondguess the organization’s sincere determination that a given employee is a “minister” under the organization’s theological tenets. Our country’s religious landscape includes organizations with different leadership structures and doctrines that influence their conceptions of ministerial status. The question whether an employee is a minister is itself religious in nature, and the answer will vary widely. Judicial attempts to fashion a civil definition of “minister” through a bright-line test or multi-factor analysis risk disadvantaging those religious groups whose beliefs, practices, and membership are outside of the “mainstream” or unpalatable to some. Moreover, uncertainty about whether [*2] its ministerial designation will be rejected, and a corresponding fear of liability, may cause a religious group to conform its beliefs and practices regarding “ministers” to the prevailing secular understanding.
Good stuff. The way it should work and nice that we can have a little unanimity on such an important question before the Supremes.
You can read the entire text of the
HOSANNA-TABOR EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH AND SCHOOL, PETITIONER v. EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION ET AL.
case right here.
-
#95 shamaal
SCOTUS got it right and there is a lot of thoughtful opinion in the ruling. The concurrences are the most interesting.
Alito, with Kagan joining:Religious autonomy means that religious authorities must be free to determine who is qualified to serve in positions of substantial religious importance. Different religions will have different views on exactly what qualifies as an important religious position, but it is nonetheless possible to identify a general category of “employees” whose functions are essential to the independence of practically all religious groups. These include those who serve in positions of leadership, those who perform important functions in worship services and in the performance of religious ceremonies and rituals, and those who are entrusted with teaching and conveying the tenets of the faith to the next generation.
Justice Thomas concurs and rejects the impulse for the judicial branch to start defining what exactly constitutes a “minister” since we, as he rightly points out, will find religions starting to contour that definition to secular governmental guidelines.
A religious organization’s right to choose its ministers would be hollow, however, if secular courts could secondguess the organization’s sincere determination that a given employee is a “minister” under the organization’s theological tenets. Our country’s religious landscape includes organizations with different leadership structures and doctrines that influence their conceptions of ministerial status. The question whether an employee is a minister is itself religious in nature, and the answer will vary widely. Judicial attempts to fashion a civil definition of “minister” through a bright-line test or multi-factor analysis risk disadvantaging those religious groups whose beliefs, practices, and membership are outside of the “mainstream” or unpalatable to some. Moreover, uncertainty about whether [*2] its ministerial designation will be rejected, and a corresponding fear of liability, may cause a religious group to conform its beliefs and practices regarding “ministers” to the prevailing secular understanding.
Good stuff. The way it should work and nice that we can have a little unanimity on such an important question before the Supremes.
You can read the entire text of the
HOSANNA-TABOR EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH AND SCHOOL, PETITIONER v. EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION ET AL.
case right here. -
New England looks like world beaters tonight but I don’t think they have a chance against either the Cheese Boys or the SanFranDefenseFromHell.
-
New England looks like world beaters tonight but I don’t think they have a chance against either the Cheese Boys or the SanFranDefenseFromHell.
-
I can no longer restrain my glee and outright joy over the serious beatdown SCOTUS handed to Asst Solicitor General Leondra Kruger, platoon leader for Eric Holder’s assault on freedom of religion in the USA, in the case I reference above.
Go suck eggs, Leondra.
-
I can no longer restrain my glee and outright joy over the serious beatdown SCOTUS handed to Asst Solicitor General Leondra Kruger, platoon leader for Eric Holder’s assault on freedom of religion in the USA, in the case I reference above.
Go suck eggs, Leondra. -
#105 Texpat
She is clearly an affirmative action case, promoted way beyond her personal merit, BUT – at least the link showed she had left an actual paper trail while at Harvard. Unlike Obammy. I read somewhere there is only one paper he wrote in law school that has ever been released. -
#105 Texpat
She is clearly an affirmative action case, promoted way beyond her personal merit, BUT – at least the link showed she had left an actual paper trail while at Harvard. Unlike Obammy. I read somewhere there is only one paper he wrote in law school that has ever been released. -
Rick Perry has been campaigning in South Carolina since the Iowa caucuses, looking for a game-changer. He may have found one, but not in the nature he was seeking. As a consequence of joining Newt Gingrich’s attack on Mitt Romney over his private-equity experience, one of Perry’s big donors has quit — and switched to Romney:
Good for Barry Wynn.
Barry Wynn, the former chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party and a financial adviser in Spartanburg, said the escalating rhetoric about Romney’s business background is “destructive.”
“It’s just a dance I didn’t want to be a part of,” Wynn said in an interview, explaining his decision to leave Perry’s campaign.
Wynn, along with a handful of other previously neutral South Carolina moneymen, will publicly endorse Romney on Thursday.
Good for Wynn and the others.
-
Rick Perry has been campaigning in South Carolina since the Iowa caucuses, looking for a game-changer. He may have found one, but not in the nature he was seeking. As a consequence of joining Newt Gingrich’s attack on Mitt Romney over his private-equity experience, one of Perry’s big donors has quit — and switched to Romney:
Good for Barry Wynn.
Barry Wynn, the former chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party and a financial adviser in Spartanburg, said the escalating rhetoric about Romney’s business background is “destructive.”
“It’s just a dance I didn’t want to be a part of,” Wynn said in an interview, explaining his decision to leave Perry’s campaign.
Wynn, along with a handful of other previously neutral South Carolina moneymen, will publicly endorse Romney on Thursday.Good for Wynn and the others.
Perry backer bails over Bain attacks -
Finally, some real change I can believe in.
-
Finally, some real change I can believe in.
-
She’s been in the news for at least a week that I’ve been aware of but I’m only now getting ot posting her here. This November Utah voters may have another chance to send another homerun candidate to Congress. In this case, to the House of Representatives. Ladies and gentlemen, I present you, Mia Love.
Video: Mia Love, the next conservative superstar?
And HERE’S one aspect even Jimmy Carter will (correctly so) like about Mrs. Love. 😉
-
She’s been in the news for at least a week that I’ve been aware of but I’m only now getting ot posting her here. This November Utah voters may have another chance to send another homerun candidate to Congress. In this case, to the House of Representatives. Ladies and gentlemen, I present you, Mia Love.
Video: Mia Love, the next conservative superstar?
And HERE’S one aspect even Jimmy Carter will (correctly so) like about Mrs. Love. 😉 -
Here’s Mia Love’s issues website. Just reading the titles of the issues is very encouraging.
-
Here’s Mia Love’s issues website. Just reading the titles of the issues is very encouraging.
http://www.love4utah.com/issues1 -
Thanks to all for the recommended reading material, I had prepped myself prior to the discussion.
The courts have been very careful about not treading on religious toes as acknowledged in the transcript. This case centered around a retaliatory firing regarding a violation of civil law; it could have gone either way, I am in agreement with the Court. But keep in mind this case had extenuating services. If the women had been fired for whistleblowing pedophilia abuse, would folks be taking the same tack regarding her dismissal? If the Penn State scandal been Notre Dame, would Paterno be vindicated for reporting the abuse to the school administration and not the police?I see no dishonor in bringing this case forward, nor in losing.
-
Thanks to all for the recommended reading material, I had prepped myself prior to the discussion.
The courts have been very careful about not treading on religious toes as acknowledged in the transcript. This case centered around a retaliatory firing regarding a violation of civil law; it could have gone either way, I am in agreement with the Court. But keep in mind this case had extenuating services. If the women had been fired for whistleblowing pedophilia abuse, would folks be taking the same tack regarding her dismissal? If the Penn State scandal been Notre Dame, would Paterno be vindicated for reporting the abuse to the school administration and not the police?
I see no dishonor in bringing this case forward, nor in losing. -
The group of social conservative leaders meeting in Texas this weekend has thrown their support behind Rick Santorum, giving the GOP hopeful a much-needed boost a week before the pivotal South Carolina primary.
In a conference call this afternoon, Family Research Council chief Tony Perkins said that on the third ballot Santorum won a solid majority of votes from the movement conservatives gathered at a private ranch near Houston.
Of 114 votes cast, Santorum won 85. Newt Gingrich took the remainder.
Good for Santorum. I think they picked the best guy.
In a remarkable slap in his home state, Rick Perry didn’t even make it past the first ballot, Perkins said.
OUCH!!!
-
The group of social conservative leaders meeting in Texas this weekend has thrown their support behind Rick Santorum, giving the GOP hopeful a much-needed boost a week before the pivotal South Carolina primary.
In a conference call this afternoon, Family Research Council chief Tony Perkins said that on the third ballot Santorum won a solid majority of votes from the movement conservatives gathered at a private ranch near Houston.
Of 114 votes cast, Santorum won 85. Newt Gingrich took the remainder.Good for Santorum. I think they picked the best guy.
In a remarkable slap in his home state, Rick Perry didn’t even make it past the first ballot, Perkins said.
-
Mornin’ Gang, I just noticed, on my world clock that is almost midnight on Mt Tamborine and I thought about Sunny, has anyone heard from her lately?
-
Mornin’ Gang, I just noticed, on my world clock that is almost midnight on Mt Tamborine and I thought about Sunny, has anyone heard from her lately?
-
SD – if memory serves you’re meaning the nice lady in OZ we know from LST days?
She’s alive & well best I can tell – still posting on her blog (albeit intermittently)
-
SD – if memory serves you’re meaning the nice lady in OZ we know from LST days?
She’s alive & well best I can tell – still posting on her blog (albeit intermittently)
http://kitconn.blogspot.com/ -
Newt lays down with dogs and gets fleas. Or a really big tick.
http://blog.aflcio.org/2012/01/13/trumka-newts-right-for-once/
-
Newt lays down with dogs and gets fleas. Or a really big tick.
http://blog.aflcio.org/2012/01/13/trumka-newts-right-for-once/ -
97 mharper42 says:
January 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Sarge, please come back and link us up to some camping catalogs or something, for pity’s sake, man.
I’ll do what I can but I’m off to teach Sunday School, go to Church, and spend the day with SO.
Here is a post wherein I report the joy of being able to stretch a piece of synthetic cloth between two trees.
Here is a more technical topic which may spark discussion among the engineering types here.
And this one is of concern to the ladies.
Discuss among yourselves.
-
97 mharper42 says:
January 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Sarge, please come back and link us up to some camping catalogs or something, for pity’s sake, man.I’ll do what I can but I’m off to teach Sunday School, go to Church, and spend the day with SO.
Here is a post wherein I report the joy of being able to stretch a piece of synthetic cloth between two trees.
Here is a more technical topic which may spark discussion among the engineering types here.
And this one is of concern to the ladies.
Discuss among yourselves. -
One would think a gajillion dollar cruise liner would have a navigation system that did not make it possible to hit underwater stuff.
-
One would think a gajillion dollar cruise liner would have a navigation system that did not make it possible to hit underwater stuff.
-
113/114 SD & Katfish
Ms. Sunny is doing great these days as she hangs round the Facebook halls keeping us up on the ‘Down Under” goings ons. -
113/114 SD & Katfish
Ms. Sunny is doing great these days as she hangs round the Facebook halls keeping us up on the ‘Down Under” goings ons. -
117
Don’t matter how many gajillion $$$$ the navigation system is when one is asleep at the switch or not at home to hear the warnings. Prolly put this most modern floating device on “Auto Pilot” and the crew went to sleep it off. That’ll teach um!! -
117
Don’t matter how many gajillion $$$$ the navigation system is when one is asleep at the switch or not at home to hear the warnings. Prolly put this most modern floating device on “Auto Pilot” and the crew went to sleep it off. That’ll teach um!! -
SaddleupTexas Straw Poll Results
Newt Gingrich 23.8%
Rick Perry 19.4%
Ron Paul 27.9%
Mitt Romney 6.6%
Jon Huntsman 1.1%
Rick Santorum 21.2%That Romney guy just doesn’t fly among those participants.
-
SaddleupTexas Straw Poll Results
Newt Gingrich 23.8%
Rick Perry 19.4%
Ron Paul 27.9%
Mitt Romney 6.6%
Jon Huntsman 1.1%
Rick Santorum 21.2%
That Romney guy just doesn’t fly among those participants. -
Is Obama Trying to Out-Romney Romney–Already?
The devil they know——-
-
Is Obama Trying to Out-Romney Romney–Already?
The devil they know——- -
Another day, another terrorist sentenced to life in prison by the criminal justice system
Kareem Ibrahim, 66, was sentenced today by U.S. District Judge Dora Irizarry in Brooklyn, New York. A jury convicted him in May. Prosecutors accused Ibrahim, a leader of the Shiite Muslim community in Trinidad and Tobago, of joining the plan in May 2007 and persuading the plotters to seek financial and logistical assistance from Iran.
-
Another day, another terrorist sentenced to life in prison by the criminal justice system
Kareem Ibrahim, 66, was sentenced today by U.S. District Judge Dora Irizarry in Brooklyn, New York. A jury convicted him in May. Prosecutors accused Ibrahim, a leader of the Shiite Muslim community in Trinidad and Tobago, of joining the plan in May 2007 and persuading the plotters to seek financial and logistical assistance from Iran.
-
That Romney guy just doesn’t fly among those participants.
all sorts of people are suddenly realizing that Mitt Romney is hardly the candidate with the best chance to beat Barack Obama.
-
That Romney guy just doesn’t fly among those participants.
all sorts of people are suddenly realizing that Mitt Romney is hardly the candidate with the best chance to beat Barack Obama.
-
#108 Tedtam, Beautiful and uplifting.
Whatsoever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for Me. -
#108 Tedtam, Beautiful and uplifting.
Whatsoever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for Me. -
#117, 119 – Come on now, everyone knows how those instant reefs can just pop up out of nowhere, especially in the warm tropical waters near the Italian coast. Give the guy a break – don’t you think he feels bad enough for sinking the company’s crown jewel and killing a few passengers as well. I mean, this is the kind of guy who deserves our sympathy, and obviously a mulligan after a three hour refresher course. Didn’t you learn nothing from the OWS crowd, or the way the Obama administration deals with financial failures and the like.
-
#117, 119 – Come on now, everyone knows how those instant reefs can just pop up out of nowhere, especially in the warm tropical waters near the Italian coast. Give the guy a break – don’t you think he feels bad enough for sinking the company’s crown jewel and killing a few passengers as well. I mean, this is the kind of guy who deserves our sympathy, and obviously a mulligan after a three hour refresher course. Didn’t you learn nothing from the OWS crowd, or the way the Obama administration deals with financial failures and the like.
-
Shannon #120, FWIW; You listed the poll for the folks that actually showed up at the event, the Texting vote was;
TOTAL VOTES CAST (Presidential Race) 3321
SADDLE UP TEXAS STRAW POLL
Newt Gingrich 11.9%
Rick Perry 13.3%
Ron Paul 54.4%
Mitt Romney 4.2%
Jon Huntsman 0.5%
Rick Santorum 15.6%
Charles “Buddy” Roemer 0.0%
You can see all the results HERE.
And no, Romney dosen’t do well in a conservative state. -
Shannon #120, FWIW; You listed the poll for the folks that actually showed up at the event, the Texting vote was;
TOTAL VOTES CAST (Presidential Race) 3321
SADDLE UP TEXAS STRAW POLL
Newt Gingrich 11.9%
Rick Perry 13.3%
Ron Paul 54.4%
Mitt Romney 4.2%
Jon Huntsman 0.5%
Rick Santorum 15.6%
Charles “Buddy” Roemer 0.0%
You can see all the results HERE.
And no, Romney dosen’t do well in a conservative state. -
Good morning Hamsters. Wow, third day in a row with 32 or below and frost everywhere that fled in the first rays of a magnificent Sunrise. Light clouds in layers neatly separated the wonderful hues that rosy-fingered Dawn painted: bright gold at the horizon, deep pink above that, lighter pink mixing with blue-tinged clouds, then lavender higher still blending into the remnants of a retreating night sky. An all-to-brief bouquet for those up and about early enough to receive and enjoy it. Thank you, Lord.
Speculating that the Paulbearers were out in force feeding the Straw Vote tally as only they can. 🙂
-
Good morning Hamsters. Wow, third day in a row with 32 or below and frost everywhere that fled in the first rays of a magnificent Sunrise. Light clouds in layers neatly separated the wonderful hues that rosy-fingered Dawn painted: bright gold at the horizon, deep pink above that, lighter pink mixing with blue-tinged clouds, then lavender higher still blending into the remnants of a retreating night sky. An all-to-brief bouquet for those up and about early enough to receive and enjoy it. Thank you, Lord.
Speculating that the Paulbearers were out in force feeding the Straw Vote tally as only they can. 🙂 -
#116 Sarge
So you use the tree-slung tarp like a tent? Somehow I thought it would be used as a hammock. Why did you think the wimmins would want to hear about sleeping bag funky smells? 😯 -
#116 Sarge
So you use the tree-slung tarp like a tent? Somehow I thought it would be used as a hammock. Why did you think the wimmins would want to hear about sleeping bag funky smells? 😯 -
Somehow this explains everything:
Why I vote Democrat
When your friends cannot explain why they voted for Democrats,
ask them to choose from this list.1. I voted Democrat because I believe
oil companies’ profits of 4% on a
gallon of gas are obscene, but the
government taxing the same gallon of
gas at 15% isn’t.2. I voted Democrat because I believe
the government will do a better job of
spending the money I earn than I
would.3. I voted Democrat because Freedom of
Speech is fine as long as nobody is
offended by it.4. I voted Democrat because I’m way
too irresponsible to own a gun, and I
know that my local police are all I
need to protect me from murderers and
thieves.5. I voted Democrat because I believe
that people who can’t tell us if it
will rain on Friday can tell us that
the polar ice caps will melt away in
ten years if I don’t start driving a
Prius.
6. I voted Democrat because I’m not
concerned about millions of babies
being aborted so long as we keep all
death row inmates alive.7. I voted Democrat because I think
illegal aliens have a right to free
health care, education, and Social
Security benefits.8. I voted Democrat because I believe
that business should not be allowed to
make profits for themselves. They need
to break even and give the rest away
to the government for redistribution
as the Democrats see fit.9. I voted Democrat because I believe
liberal judges need to rewrite the
Constitution every few days to suit
some fringe kooks who would never get
their agendas past the voters.10. I voted Democrat because I think
that it’s better to pay billions to
people who hate us for their oil, but
not drill our own because it might
upset some endangered beetle or
gopher.11. I voted Democrat because, while we
live in the greatest, most wonderful
country in the world, I was promised
“HOPE AND CHANGE”.12. I voted Democrat because my head
is so firmly planted up rear end, it’s
unlikely that I’ll ever have another
point of view. -
Somehow this explains everything:
Why I vote Democrat
When your friends cannot explain why they voted for Democrats,
ask them to choose from this list.
1. I voted Democrat because I believe
oil companies’ profits of 4% on a
gallon of gas are obscene, but the
government taxing the same gallon of
gas at 15% isn’t.
2. I voted Democrat because I believe
the government will do a better job of
spending the money I earn than I
would.
3. I voted Democrat because Freedom of
Speech is fine as long as nobody is
offended by it.
4. I voted Democrat because I’m way
too irresponsible to own a gun, and I
know that my local police are all I
need to protect me from murderers and
thieves.
5. I voted Democrat because I believe
that people who can’t tell us if it
will rain on Friday can tell us that
the polar ice caps will melt away in
ten years if I don’t start driving a
Prius.
6. I voted Democrat because I’m not
concerned about millions of babies
being aborted so long as we keep all
death row inmates alive.
7. I voted Democrat because I think
illegal aliens have a right to free
health care, education, and Social
Security benefits.
8. I voted Democrat because I believe
that business should not be allowed to
make profits for themselves. They need
to break even and give the rest away
to the government for redistribution
as the Democrats see fit.
9. I voted Democrat because I believe
liberal judges need to rewrite the
Constitution every few days to suit
some fringe kooks who would never get
their agendas past the voters.
10. I voted Democrat because I think
that it’s better to pay billions to
people who hate us for their oil, but
not drill our own because it might
upset some endangered beetle or
gopher.
11. I voted Democrat because, while we
live in the greatest, most wonderful
country in the world, I was promised
“HOPE AND CHANGE”.
12. I voted Democrat because my head
is so firmly planted up rear end, it’s
unlikely that I’ll ever have another
point of view. -
mhaprer42 #128, Sarge is still learning….
-
mhaprer42 #128, Sarge is still learning….
-
I’ve been watching this for a couple days.
150 largely Protestant Christian Republican Evangelicals got together the other day and prayed for guidance on who could beat President Obama in the upcoming American Presidential elections. This group included: Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins, James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; former presidential candidate Gary Bauer; and Don Wildmon, of the American Family Association. [Fix block quote]Fueled by prayer and passionate speeches, Christian conservative leaders meeting in Gov. Rick Perry’s home state reached a “strong consensus” to support former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum for the GOP presidential nomination, the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins said Saturday.
Apparently their prayers were answered with Rick Santorum.
Newt Gingrich came in second, Rick Perry was tossed on the first vote.
Important Note: DO NOT Google Rick Santorum’s name, use another search engine.
-
I’ve been watching this for a couple days.
150 largely Protestant Christian Republican Evangelicals got together the other day and prayed for guidance on who could beat President Obama in the upcoming American Presidential elections. This group included: Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins, James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; former presidential candidate Gary Bauer; and Don Wildmon, of the American Family Association. [Fix block quote]Fueled by prayer and passionate speeches, Christian conservative leaders meeting in Gov. Rick Perry’s home state reached a “strong consensus” to support former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum for the GOP presidential nomination, the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins said Saturday.
Apparently their prayers were answered with Rick Santorum.
Newt Gingrich came in second, Rick Perry was tossed on the first vote.
Important Note: DO NOT Google Rick Santorum’s name, use another search engine. -
Miss Wisconsin wins Miss America Crown.
The 23-year-old’s platform is mentoring children of incarcerated parents. She performed operatic vocals in the talent competition.
-
Miss Wisconsin wins Miss America Crown.
The 23-year-old’s platform is mentoring children of incarcerated parents. She performed operatic vocals in the talent competition.
-
Duck.
-
Duck.
-
Duck!
Hi, Tim. Having an awesome weekend? -
Duck!
Hi, Tim. Having an awesome weekend? -
#129 Bones
Yep, that list covers the Dem spectrum pretty well. -
#129 Bones
Yep, that list covers the Dem spectrum pretty well. -
#133 #134 I’ll see y’alls DUCKs and raise you a DUCK! 😀
-
#133 #134 I’ll see y’alls DUCKs and raise you a DUCK! 😀
-
Am I glad we don’t have any dyslexic typists on this blog!
-
Am I glad we don’t have any dyslexic typists on this blog!
-
Continuing the art theme
Chinese artists are doing well and knocked Picasso off top seller last year.
-
Continuing the art theme
Chinese artists are doing well and knocked Picasso off top seller last year. -
#136 SD: Looks yummy.
-
#136 SD: Looks yummy.
-
Am I glad we don’t have any dyslexic typists on this blog!
Yup the “D” and “F” are right side by side.
My fingers ofetn type fsater than I can Thnik. 😀 -
Am I glad we don’t have any dyslexic typists on this blog!
Yup the “D” and “F” are right side by side.
My fingers ofetn type fsater than I can Thnik. 😀 -
#138 Shamaal: Some people have a whole lot more money than sense.
-
#138 Shamaal: Some people have a whole lot more money than sense.
-
RE: gto’s AP link
You’ve got to love AP reporter, Vladimir Isachenkov’s description of the space junk falling to earth:
The unmanned Phobos Ground is one of the heaviest and most toxic space derelicts ever to crash to Earth, but space officials and experts say the risks are minimal as its orbit is mostly over water and most of the probe’s structure will burn up in the atmosphere anyway.
Sounds like a big, fat Russian drunk falling out of a bar over in Brighton Beach….
-
RE: gto’s AP link
You’ve got to love AP reporter, Vladimir Isachenkov’s description of the space junk falling to earth:The unmanned Phobos Ground is one of the heaviest and most toxic space derelicts ever to crash to Earth, but space officials and experts say the risks are minimal as its orbit is mostly over water and most of the probe’s structure will burn up in the atmosphere anyway.
Sounds like a big, fat Russian drunk falling out of a bar over in Brighton Beach….
-
#142 Bonecrusher
While other people consider it their sacred duty to separate them from their money …….
We call them financial analysts………
Work calls!
-
#142 Bonecrusher
While other people consider it their sacred duty to separate them from their money …….
We call them financial analysts………
Work calls! -
#143 You’ve got to love Hamsterville guru, Texpat’s colorful interpretation of the space junk event.
-
#143 You’ve got to love Hamsterville guru, Texpat’s colorful interpretation of the space junk event.
-
I fixed the link above.
Here it is for those among you people who are too lazy to scroll up.
-
I fixed the link above.
Here it is for those among you people who are too lazy to scroll up. -
Thanks, Pyro, for FINALLY getting that updated so us lazy Hamsters could FINALLY see the weekend topic. Verdict: Interesting, and worth the wait.
-
Thanks, Pyro, for FINALLY getting that updated so us lazy Hamsters could FINALLY see the weekend topic. Verdict: Interesting, and worth the wait.
-
I think #1 is named Frauline Unibrow von Schticktus, #2 is her brother Gerhard.
-
I think #1 is named Frauline Unibrow von Schticktus, #2 is her brother Gerhard.
-
As some of my fellow hamsteronianites may be aware, I do not follow football. Are the Texans still playing and if so when is their next game?
-
As some of my fellow hamsteronianites may be aware, I do not follow football. Are the Texans still playing and if so when is their next game?
-
Chatty third-grader Katie Hilke is a busy little girl.
The world could use a few more of her.
-
Chatty third-grader Katie Hilke is a busy little girl.
The world could use a few more of her. -
#151 Homer: That kid is a gem!
-
#151 Homer: That kid is a gem!
-
They abandoned that Texans team.
-
They abandoned that Texans team.
-
#153 Shannon: ??
-
#153 Shannon: ??
-
Texans just lost.
One game shy of the Superbowl. -
Texans just lost.
One game shy of the Superbowl. -
Premature bad juju?
-
Premature bad juju?
-
Or two. Depending on how you look at it.
-
Or two. Depending on how you look at it.
-
#155 Shannon: Bummer!
Now I care even less about football than I did before. -
#155 Shannon: Bummer!
Now I care even less about football than I did before. -
Well I’m not much of a football fan, but both of my Young-uns were watching the Texas game today and it was a shame that they lost, but I’m betting we’ll not be hearing from MS Adde for a while because Green Bay is Playing the Giants,…I think, anywho they’re tied 10-10! 😀
Also, I’m sitting in my recliner watching the game with “Small Back-Up Dawg” on my right and “Lil’ Bit” on my left. I have my lap-top picking up my router, dang dammit, life is GOOD! -
Well I’m not much of a football fan, but both of my Young-uns were watching the Texas game today and it was a shame that they lost, but I’m betting we’ll not be hearing from MS Adde for a while because Green Bay is Playing the Giants,…I think, anywho they’re tied 10-10! 😀
Also, I’m sitting in my recliner watching the game with “Small Back-Up Dawg” on my right and “Lil’ Bit” on my left. I have my lap-top picking up my router, dang dammit, life is GOOD! -
While the kids were watching football I was making a big ole pot of “Bambi Chili” and they’re all heading over here for supper. We’re having Daughter’s birthday a little late, she turned 27 last Saturday!……DAYAAM, Dave is getting old! 😉
-
While the kids were watching football I was making a big ole pot of “Bambi Chili” and they’re all heading over here for supper. We’re having Daughter’s birthday a little late, she turned 27 last Saturday!……DAYAAM, Dave is getting old! 😉
-
Shannon #120;
That Romney guy just doesn’t fly among those participants.
No, he doesn’t. I’m surprised Gingrich won; but more power to him.
-
Shannon #120;
That Romney guy just doesn’t fly among those participants.
No, he doesn’t. I’m surprised Gingrich won; but more power to him.
-
Looks like the Pack is about to get sacked in Wisconsin.
30-13 Giants late in the 4th.
-
Looks like the Pack is about to get sacked in Wisconsin.
30-13 Giants late in the 4th. -
A lady goes to the bar on a cruise ship and orders a Scotch with two drops of water. As the bartender gives her the drink she says,
‘I’m on this cruise to celebrate my 80th birthday and it’s today..’
The bartender says, ‘Well, since it’s your birthday, I’ll buy you a drink. In fact, this one is on me.’
As the woman finishes her drink, the woman to her right says, ‘I would like to buy you a drink, too.’The old woman says, ‘Thank you. Bartender, I want a Scotch with two drops of water.’
‘Coming up,’ says the bartender
As she finishes that drink, the man to her left says, ‘I would like to buy you one, too.’
The old woman says, ‘Thank you. Bartender, I want another Scotch with two drops of water.’
‘Coming right up,’ the bartender says.
As he gives her the drink, he says, ‘Ma’am, I’m dying of curiosity. Why the Scotch with only two drops of water?’
The old woman replies, ‘Sonny, when you’re my age, you’ve learned how to hold your liquor. Holding your water, however, is a whole other issue
-
A lady goes to the bar on a cruise ship and orders a Scotch with two drops of water. As the bartender gives her the drink she says,
‘I’m on this cruise to celebrate my 80th birthday and it’s today..’
The bartender says, ‘Well, since it’s your birthday, I’ll buy you a drink. In fact, this one is on me.’
As the woman finishes her drink, the woman to her right says, ‘I would like to buy you a drink, too.’
The old woman says, ‘Thank you. Bartender, I want a Scotch with two drops of water.’
‘Coming up,’ says the bartender
As she finishes that drink, the man to her left says, ‘I would like to buy you one, too.’
The old woman says, ‘Thank you. Bartender, I want another Scotch with two drops of water.’
‘Coming right up,’ the bartender says.
As he gives her the drink, he says, ‘Ma’am, I’m dying of curiosity. Why the Scotch with only two drops of water?’
The old woman replies, ‘Sonny, when you’re my age, you’ve learned how to hold your liquor. Holding your water, however, is a whole other issue -
128 mharper42 says:
January 15, 2012 at 9:44 am
#116 Sarge
So you use the tree-slung tarp like a tent? Somehow I thought it would be used as a hammock. Why did you think the wimmins would want to hear about sleeping bag funky smells?The tarp is actually purpose designed for using with a hammock. One of the great things about using them is that if its raining or threatenting to, you can set it up first and relatively quickly, then take your sleeping gear andn other stuff out of the pack undercover so none of it gets wet. Another advantage is that the “tent” doesn’t sit on the ground getting all muddy and messing up the pack the day after when you stuff that wet muddy thing inside. Done right, the only thing that touches the ground is the soles of your feet.
The Hammock isn’t ready to hang yet. The secret is to be able to center the hammock between the trees so you get a relatively level hang, same with the tarp. I had to wait on 4 climbing grade descender rings for the adjustable suspension. They’re not terribly expensive—only $12.00, but you just can’t walk into Walmart and ask where their climbing grade hardware is. The rings allow you to adjust both ends until you have everything centered. The tarp carries a whole lot less load so I can use commerical grade stuff, and that’s why I was able to set it up first. The rings on it are rated for 200# safe working load—–just
a tad underexactly what it would take to support my weight. If I’m going to be sleeping 3 feet off the ground I want something that will support about 5 times my weight. I got the rings in the mail yesterday, but won’t have time to put the rig together until Tuesday.As to “the funk”, that seems to be what concerns the wimmins most about the long haul hiking thing.
-
128 mharper42 says:
January 15, 2012 at 9:44 am
#116 Sarge
So you use the tree-slung tarp like a tent? Somehow I thought it would be used as a hammock. Why did you think the wimmins would want to hear about sleeping bag funky smells?The tarp is actually purpose designed for using with a hammock. One of the great things about using them is that if its raining or threatenting to, you can set it up first and relatively quickly, then take your sleeping gear andn other stuff out of the pack undercover so none of it gets wet. Another advantage is that the “tent” doesn’t sit on the ground getting all muddy and messing up the pack the day after when you stuff that wet muddy thing inside. Done right, the only thing that touches the ground is the soles of your feet.
The Hammock isn’t ready to hang yet. The secret is to be able to center the hammock between the trees so you get a relatively level hang, same with the tarp. I had to wait on 4 climbing grade descender rings for the adjustable suspension. They’re not terribly expensive—only $12.00, but you just can’t walk into Walmart and ask where their climbing grade hardware is. The rings allow you to adjust both ends until you have everything centered. The tarp carries a whole lot less load so I can use commerical grade stuff, and that’s why I was able to set it up first. The rings on it are rated for 200# safe working load—–justa tad underexactly what it would take to support my weight. If I’m going to be sleeping 3 feet off the ground I want something that will support about 5 times my weight. I got the rings in the mail yesterday, but won’t have time to put the rig together until Tuesday.
As to “the funk”, that seems to be what concerns the wimmins most about the long haul hiking thing. -
Green Bay lost to the Giants 37-20.
This is my fault. They haven’t lost a game I watched in years. If I had stayed home and watched the game instead of working, San Francisco fans would now be purchasing tundra tickets. Mrs. Shamaal is bummed, she had made a special purchase of Herring in Cream Sauce for the NFC championship game.
-
Green Bay lost to the Giants 37-20.
This is my fault. They haven’t lost a game I watched in years. If I had stayed home and watched the game instead of working, San Francisco fans would now be purchasing tundra tickets. Mrs. Shamaal is bummed, she had made a special purchase of Herring in Cream Sauce for the NFC championship game. -
Here’s a topic to banter about:
ONLY the US Supreme Court has Constitutional Authority to Conduct the Trial
In a stunning development that could potentially send the nation into a Constitutional crisis, an astute attorney who is well-versed in Constitutional law states that the ruling against the state of Arizona by Judge Susan Bolton concerning its new immigration law is illegal.
-
Here’s a topic to banter about:
Read about it here and hereONLY the US Supreme Court has Constitutional Authority to Conduct the Trial
In a stunning development that could potentially send the nation into a Constitutional crisis, an astute attorney who is well-versed in Constitutional law states that the ruling against the state of Arizona by Judge Susan Bolton concerning its new immigration law is illegal. -
Just some comments on the Saddle Up Straw Poll. Dewhurst scheduled but was a no show. The funny thing was, Minute Maid security expected him to show as well. Their attitude reverted to normal when he did not. Pete Olsen’s crew packed up their booth and left Saturday afternoon. Pete was not there. Perry snubbed any overtures to attend, as did the rest of the r’s. Cain committed to speak back when he was still in the race. He honored that and showed.
-
Just some comments on the Saddle Up Straw Poll. Dewhurst scheduled but was a no show. The funny thing was, Minute Maid security expected him to show as well. Their attitude reverted to normal when he did not. Pete Olsen’s crew packed up their booth and left Saturday afternoon. Pete was not there. Perry snubbed any overtures to attend, as did the rest of the r’s. Cain committed to speak back when he was still in the race. He honored that and showed.
-
Texans lost, Packers lost, double bummer.
-
Texans lost, Packers lost, double bummer.
-
#166 CbR
Not much really to banter.
The “astute attorney who is well-versed in Constitutional law” knows full well that Article III Sect 2 does not grant exclusive jurisdiction to the Supreme Court only original jurisdiction.
Title 28 Sect 1345 of the US Code applies:
Except as otherwise provided by Act of Congress, the district courts shall have original jurisdiction of all civil actions, suits or proceedings commenced by the United States, or by any agency or officer thereof expressly authorized to sue by Act of Congress.
The original enabling legislation would be found in the Judiciary Act of 1789 enacted by the first Congress and institutionalized by Marbury v. Madison
Just because they eat Poutine don’t make them lawyers. 😉
-
#166 CbR
Not much really to banter.
The “astute attorney who is well-versed in Constitutional law” knows full well that Article III Sect 2 does not grant exclusive jurisdiction to the Supreme Court only original jurisdiction.
Title 28 Sect 1345 of the US Code applies:Except as otherwise provided by Act of Congress, the district courts shall have original jurisdiction of all civil actions, suits or proceedings commenced by the United States, or by any agency or officer thereof expressly authorized to sue by Act of Congress.
The original enabling legislation would be found in the Judiciary Act of 1789 enacted by the first Congress and institutionalized by Marbury v. Madison
Just because they eat Poutine don’t make them lawyers. 😉 -
Boy do I feel bad for the Texans defensive players and Adrien Foster (and offensive line), they played their guts out. That hurt bad, real bad.
-
Boy do I feel bad for the Texans defensive players and Adrien Foster (and offensive line), they played their guts out. That hurt bad, real bad.
-
#165 shamaal
Well, I was blaming it on David Benzion’s inadequate efforts at Tebowing, but if you are volunteering for the firing squad, we’ll take you. Willing victims are always accepted and purveyors of creamed herring [ gag!] go to the front of the queue.
-
#165 shamaal
Well, I was blaming it on David Benzion’s inadequate efforts at Tebowing, but if you are volunteering for the firing squad, we’ll take you. Willing victims are always accepted and purveyors of creamed herring [ gag!] go to the front of the queue. -
Benzion Tebowing? Well Glory be…..
-
Benzion Tebowing? Well Glory be…..
-
Well I can’t stand Jerome Soloman of the Houston Chronicle, but he kinda nails it regarding Jacoby Jones.
Now, I’m not saying Jones is the reason the Texans lost, but had he missed the team flight and been suspended for the game, the Texans would be playing in Foxboro next Sunday for the right to go to the Super Bowl.
-
Well I can’t stand Jerome Soloman of the Houston Chronicle, but he kinda nails it regarding Jacoby Jones.
Now, I’m not saying Jones is the reason the Texans lost, but had he missed the team flight and been suspended for the game, the Texans would be playing in Foxboro next Sunday for the right to go to the Super Bowl.
-
The Ninja Twins having some fun after it rained.
-
The Ninja Twins having some fun after it rained.
Leave a Reply
You must be logged in to post a comment.