Lost in the joy of celebrating Advent and Christmas here in the West, much has been left unremarked upon in the Middle East. Since the “Arab Spring”, which the dominant media has swooned over since last summer, we have heard painfully little of what has actually been happening in the Cradle of Civilization.
Accelerating through the intervening months has been an oppression of All Things Not Fundamentalist Muslim. In the past few days, during one of Christianity’s most holy times of the year, oppression of local Christian populations has accelerated to the point where midnight Mass must be celebrated during daylight out of concern for security. That is only true for those Copts in Egypt who have chosen not to flee (or are unable to) and those Iraqis who have been persecuted even when our troops were actually still present.
The silence of our “leadership” is deafening. If some Muslim somewhere is denied the ability to perform ritual ablutions or wear their allegedly religiously prescribed adornments prior to his prayers, we do not hear the end of it. When Christians are murdered and terrorized, it is treated as the normal state of affairs, which it is sadly turning into.
Whatever happened to standing up for the human rights of those who are oppressed, no matter their faith?
When Lord Sacks, chief rabbi in England, rose in the House of Lords to speak about the persecution of Christians, he quoted Martin Luther King. “In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
I would bet my house that nobody in the House of Lords endeavored to do anything beyond one or two “harrrumphs” to respond to this pitiful state of affairs.
Here is a more comprehensive list of anti-Christian violence just from the past month or so.
Hundred!
I’ve only read halfway through this malarkey, sooo…. I’d just say as a Christian I wish it could be different, but as is the case with most of our differences with Europe and their wayward gubments and multicultural tolerances, the huge glare in this issue is our 2nd amendment.
Bang.
A Mt. Juliet car dealership has been shut down on suspicion that it has ties to a terrorist organization. A lawsuit was filed by the U.S. government against a group of overseas banks Dec. 15 in U.S. District Court in New York. It names Cedar Exports & Auto Sales at 7787 Eastgate Blvd. as part of a nationwide network of… Read more »
I wasn’t aware there was a causal relationship there.
Coincidence does not imply causation.
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My personal (limited) experience with Muslims is that the ones who aren’t violent and uncivilized, it’s because they are not fanatics. They may even be a tad secular. They migrate out of those hellholes and settle in the West where they can live a better life. That doesn’t always work out well for the host country, as we have seen… Read more »
#58 Sarge Unless your contention is that being Muslim, per se, causes violent, uncivilized behavior, I don’t know why you are posing this question I am posing that question because there are people here who are alleging exactly that. My personal (limited) experience with Muslims is that the ones who aren’t violent and uncivilized, it’s because they are not fanatics.… Read more »
I’m confident the first amendment will protect all hats. And other religious expression.
Unless Ron Paul or Obama
pick the next two or three Supremes.
Then all bets are off.
🙂
Which one–
The “Muslims are slime” or the one that says we should all act like Christians in order to defeat Islam.
90
But after the third screaming, fifth-grade version of the same point, my brain automatically wanders off.
Yes.
🙂 Love it. 🙂
86 Katfish says: December 27, 2011 at 6:58 pm #84 – slight editing IMHO (or call it what you will) Islam in it’s current form IS incompatible with western values. and Perhaps one day you MANY MANY MORE folks in the western world will realize that you can not negotiate a settlement with Islam, it must be totally destroyed (either… Read more »
fat albert #81;
Johnathan Browning would agree.
Classic!
(Bold mine)
http://mormonhistoricsitesfoundation.org/USA/illinois/nauvoo/browningGunShop/history.htm
#84 – slight editing IMHO (or call it what you will) Islam in it’s current form IS incompatible with western values. and Perhaps one day you MANY MANY MORE folks in the western world will realize that you can not negotiate a settlement with Islam, it must be totally destroyed (either by conversion OR mayhem – THEIR choice) or it… Read more »
Being summoned for supper. Tap at you all later.
Islam is incompatible with western values. devout moooslimes have an inherent conflict with western values vs the value proclaimed in the koran and the hadith. Each and every instance where mooslimes have increased their numbers beyond “critical mass”, a number which is prolly dependent on the population they have invaded, it is the moooslimes who start the crapola, the moooslimes… Read more »
Well, speaking of ladies fashions, is Panetta taking hints from Ahmadinejad or vice versa? I know, I know, Beck is a bomb-throwing puddin’ headed student of Chicken Little.
Having read and re-read all 31,112 verses in my NASB, I am still studying and praying.
At the risk of being declared a heretic, it amazes me that a high-ranking member of the federal government can make a decision based on religious grounds allowing a person to exercise her fashion preference at the expense of tradition, esprit de corps and common sense. Simultaneously, people of other religious preferences are denied their rights based on the fallacious… Read more »
#80 tim: I am still looking for the Bible passage wherein Jesus tells me it is ok to kill my neighbor. I am also still searching for the passage wherein Jesus gives me the precise definition of a “just war.” You will also search in vain for the passage where Jesus says it is wrong to fornicate with a goat.… Read more »
Sarge At the risk of being declared a heretic, it amazes me that a high-ranking member of the federal government can make a decision based on religious grounds allowing a person to exercise her fashion preference at the expense of tradition, esprit de corps and common sense. Simultaneously, people of other religious preferences are denied their rights based on the… Read more »
Ron Paul decides he has yet to completely descend into full-on nuttiness, continues his search for the big crazy. The Ronulans are out in force in the comments. There are a couple of fairly sane ones, however: It is discomforting, to say the least, that the one candidate who seems to represent my economic ideas most accurately is … sort… Read more »
Bonecrusher is who he his, bless his peapickin’ prejudiced little heart. But he, at least, isn’t lecturing us telling us that the reason we’re not winning the war is that we just aren’t being the good loving christians we’re supposed to be. That’s not what I am lecturing about at all. I’m talking about tactics that have been used in… Read more »
#72 Sarge: Well then, we have a big job ahead of us. And yet another part of the problem. Fixing Islam isn’t my or our job!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s their own damn problem. If they want to participate in a civilized world they can act like civilized adults. If they continue to act like barbarians, then they really can’t can’t complain when… Read more »
#72 Sarge: Anybody notice here that there’s one guy here who is calling people slime, and another who is saying that the best way to beat these people is if we all act like Christians, and that’s the guy who is getting lectured at? Bonecrusher is who he his, bless his peapickin’ prejudiced little heart. But he, at least, isn’t… Read more »
#71 darren From your link: In a hotly-contested Republican race, it appears that only about half of Paul’s supporters are Republicans. In Iowa, according to Rasmussen, just 51 percent of Paul supporters consider themselves Republicans. In New Hampshire, the number is 56 percent, according to Andrew Smith, head of the University of New Hampshire poll. {snip} “Paul is doing the… Read more »
The voters were getting ready to offer him a glass of brandy and a loaded revolver, then invite him to go into the study and “do what must be done”.
He simply beat them to the punch.
Sarge
There are infinite ways to construct diversionary logical fallacies and you, apparently, are intent on making use of each and every one of them.
I have said what I had to say on the subject and I will let it stand on its merits.
Islam has not and, until it does, it cannot be a fully equal participant in American life. As well, any individual Muslim who embraces the dominant Salafist or Wahabbist doctrines of current Islam cannot resolve that central conflict with allegiance to the American Constitution. Well then, we have a big job ahead of us. I know! We’ll call them slime… Read more »
Paul: “Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel”
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#69 Sarge …the standards of religious tolerance we have here in this country is somehow aiding and abetting the enemy and just doesn’t know what the problem is. Religious tolerance is not the issue here. Islam is a comprehensive way of life encompassing all facets of cultural, legal, educational, and political realms, as well as religious practice. Christianity and Judaism… Read more »
The other problem I’m having is with the notion that anyone who recommends that we follow both the Bible and the standards of religious tolerance we have here in this country is somehow aiding and abetting the enemy and just doesn’t know what the problem is.
As a nation, we have to deal with the issue of militant Muslims on a worldwide basis. We, as a nation, cannot witness to a collective group of 1.2 billion people. We can, however, formulate policies (assuming that we have the political will) to allow us to deal with the collective dysfunction and chaos spread by an evidently barbaric faith.… Read more »
Buenas notícias gente:
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Ben Nelson retiring from Senate
fat albert #51; And Europes problem is not that too many Muslims have moved in. Their problem is that too many people have stopped being Christians. Perhaps the silliest comment in this whole thread. You absolutely cannot equate the two statements. Actually, I found Sarge’s statement dead on correct. I think your own example of Europe’s “tolerence” for Muslims to… Read more »
Texpat #45; then it is easy to understand the reluctance of Christians and Jews to extend warm hospitality to these interlopers so hostile to 21st century civilization. Exactly. the main reason I want to hear more from Muslims against Islamists who terrorize in the name oftheir own religion is because their silence places them as complacent corroborists. Their failure to… Read more »
#62 Sarge: I beleive that the Bible tells me how to defeat these people. Once again, I think you are confusing individual activity with national political policy. As an individual, I applaud and admire your determination to meet the individual Muslims you encounter with the love and truth of the Gospel. May God bless and prosper your efforts and the… Read more »
I shudder to think where the Church would be today if Paul thought that there was no way that a Christian could convert a Middle Eastern gentile.
Make no mistake about it, this quest can only come FROM HIM and no amount of “reason” from a Christian will make a devout moooslime even think about conversion. I have a good deal more Faith in my Faith. I beleive that the Bible tells me how to defeat these people. I also note that “reasoning” with them is not… Read more »
I am posing that question because there are people here who are alleging exactly that. I am stating emphatically that the attempt to glean good fruit from the poison tree of islime is irrational. Those that have the calling to leave islime will find those who can show them a way out and the truth contained in The Scriptures. Make… Read more »
Many folks think Luap Nor just flirts with the Troofers. This pretty much proves he is a Troofer. K: Okay and one last thing why won’t you come out about the truth about 9/11? Paul: Because I can’t handle the controversy, I have the IMF the Federal Reserve to deal with, the IRS to deal with because no because I… Read more »
I am posing that question because there are people here who are alleging exactly that.
#52 Sarge: What would be the best and most productive way of making Muslims stop being Muslims in this country be? Unless your contention is that being Muslim, per se, causes violent, uncivilized behavior, I don’t know why you are posing this question. As an individual Christian I stand ready, always to give witness to my Lord and his saving… Read more »
Sarge the big problem, as I see it, is that you can not accept that the mooslimes, by and large, represent a completely different civilization than the western civilization in which we live. And your problem is that you mistake a difference in tactics for a failure to accept that the mooslimes, by and large, represent a completely different civilization… Read more »
Sarge the big problem, as I see it, is that you can not accept that the mooslimes, by and large, represent a completely different civilization than the western civilization in which we live. While we abhor the killing of innocents, in the mooslime mindset, there is no such thing as an innocent non-mooslime. While the Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Shinto,… Read more »
In our own midst we have charlatans who proclaim to follow Jesus. A glaring example would be the Westboro morons. They are shunned by Christians of all denominations. What if we allowed them to co-opt our faith? The exact same thing has happened in Islam, albeit on a much larger and more dangerous scale. If they hold the faith of… Read more »
#50 Sarge:
Have you noticed that the only one talking about hats is you?
What would be the best and most productive way of making Muslims stop being Muslims in this country be?
What would that look like?
#32 Sarge: And Europes problem is not that too many Muslims have moved in. Their problem is that too many people have stopped being Christians. Perhaps the silliest comment in this whole thread. You absolutely cannot equate the two statements. Have Europeans stopped being Christians? In large part, I would say yes, at least judging from the external evidence. Is… Read more »