Weekend’s Cherokee Black Slave Revolt – Open Thread

1866 – Cherokee Nation Delegates to the U.S. Government to Negotiate Citizenship for Their Black Slaves 

The perception and image of the American Indian is the most enduring myth in American history.  The noble savage living in peace and at one with Nature conquered by the avaricious European invaders.  The native tribes, particularly on the Great Plains,  from North Dakota to Texas, were proud warriors by tradition and culture.  They were fierce and inclined to enslave their defeated opponents for centuries before settlers arrived from the Old World.  The Apache and Comanche were on the plains before the Five Tribes (Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, Chickasaw and Seminole) were forced on a death march to the Oklahoma Territories. Before these tribes were defeated, they fought the white man in brutal battles and gave as good as they got.

The Cherokee became plantation owners in eastern Indian Nations and were reputed, along with the Creek and Choctaw to own nearly 5,000 black slaves.  In 1842, the largest slave revolt among the Native American tribes occurred on a Cherokee plantation.

The Slave Revolt in the Cherokee Nation occurred in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma) when a group of twenty-five enslaved blacks, mostly from the Joseph Vann plantation, attempted to escape to Mexico where slavery was abolished. The revolt began on November 15, 1842, when the Vann plantation fugitives gathered with slaves from other plantations near Webbers Falls in the Cherokee Nation.

The fugitives burglarized a store, taking horses, mules, several rifles, ammunition, and supplies for their escape to Mexico.  Once Cherokee officials discovered the escape, they sent a search party to bring them back. As the fugitives made their way southwest from the Cherokee Nation, they were joined by ten escaped slaves from plantations in the Creek Nation. The Creeks joined the Cherokees in pursuit of the fugitives, confronting them near the Canadian River.  A battle ensued with two fugitives killed and twelve captured.  The remaining twenty-one escaped and continued to head for Mexico while their Cherokee and Creek pursuers returned to their nations for reinforcements.</blockquote>

Drew and his men captured the fugitives (by then numbering thirty-one), and brought all of them back to Webbers Falls by December 7. After an investigation, the Cherokee Nation Council ordered five fugitive slaves to be held at Fort Gibson pending trial for the murders of Wilson and Edwards. After the trial they were executed.  The council ordered the remaining fugitives to be returned to their Cherokee, Creek, and Choctaw owners.  The Cherokee slave revolt was the largest slave rebellion in the Indian Territory and the only one that involved fugitives from different Indian nations.

As the Civil War ended, the tribes in Oklahoma expelled their black slaves after petitioning the federal government for guarantees of their citizenship.  This is one of the least known stories in America’s rich and often violent history.

 


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  1. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Good morning.
    Wide awake at 4:30 for the second day in a row.
    Let’s not make this a habit, eh?
    Not quite as chilly as it was yesterday at this time.
    i don’t know what’s worse – political ads or Medicare Advantage ads.

  2. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Shannon is up early today. A crisp 45 degrees here in the cabin near Heflin Alabama, on a hill overlooking two small lakes. There is a big ole moon setting low in the western sky.
    Life is Good.
    Mornin’ Gang

  3. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Odd; I had to log in this morning on my Lap Top but I didn’t have to yesterday when I first checked in here. Not complaining BTW.

  4. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Driving through Tuskegee yesterday reminded me of the spring of 1970. I’d turned 16 a couple of months earlier and was driving my 62, 6 cylinder Chevy II trough Tuskegee on my way to Reeltown to pick up a buddy and then go to the Winston 500 at Talladega. I got stopped by a black cop, I’d never seen a black cop before, we didn’t have those in south Alabama so I was scared of what would happen next. As a Side Bar, the first 1 or 2 numbers on an Alabama license Plate designates the county of issue SO, here you have a snott nosed, red headed kid driving a car with Dale county (26) license plates in Macon county, 80 miles from home and that is why the officer stopped me that morning, he was just concerned. He asked me where I was going and I told him Talladega and he said well be careful and sent me on my way. Later I picked up Steve and we went to Hoover Alabama, a Birmingham suburb and spent the night in a Holiday Inn before heading to Talladega on Saturday morning. Different times for sure. For one thing can you imagine a Holiday Inn renting a room to a couple of 16 year old kids today?!
    I’ve told this story here before but thought I mention it again as it brings back fond memories. 😉

  5. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Sper Dave got pulled over for DWW&Y (Driving While White & Young),

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      Yup, 😀

  6. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I’m reposting the link to the article in GJT’s comment yesterday because it’s a good companion piece for today’s front page story. The most shocking thing to me about the tale is the author of Josey Wales mailed the book unsolicited to Clint Eastwood.

    There is usually a grain of truth to most legends and so it is with Josey Wales. More than a grain…more like a bushel basket. Josey Wales was based on a real man and one that was reputedly as tough, violent and vengeful as Wales. But, unlike the movie, the real man did not have as his driving force a vengeance for losing his family to murder by Union soldiers. But his family was rousted from their house and their homestead burned to the ground by Union soldiers.

    The real Josey Wales was a Confederate guerilla fighter, a “bushwacker,” an associate of the bloody Quantrill Raiders, horse rustler, deadly shot, and killer of many. He was born William “Bill” Wilson in the Ozarks in Missouri of a well-to-do family. He grew into a very tall, dark and handsome man—6’2”, with jet black curly hair and sparkling crystal blue eyes. He was an amiable fellow, good-natured, clever, and skilled at playing the violin, so he was always in demand for weddings and parties.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      I didn’t dive that deep into the article last night but some interesting stuff in the comments.

  7. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    You do have to wonder why this Lindy Li woman is the only Democrat showing up in public to talk about the huge, raging dumpster fire that was the Harris/Walz campaign ?

  8. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    When a man dumps his penthouse apartment for a $15 million loss, you know he wants out of Chicago badly. It’s also a sign of Chicago in deep Democratic decline.

    Billionaire hedge fund mogul Ken Griffin is continuing his exodus from Chicago with the sale of his luxury penthouse at the No. 9 Walton condo tower, taking a staggering 44% loss on the deal.

    Griffin offloaded the top two floors — the 38th and 39th levels — of the prestigious building for $19 million, well below the $34 million he paid in 2017, Crain’s reported.

  9. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    And in who cares news Mike Tyson lost to Jake Paul.

  10. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Hoo boy. And that’s without reading the soon-to-be-leaked House Ethics Committee report on Matt Gaetz, too. 

    The drumbeats around the GOP campfire yesterday already made Donald Trump’s choice for Attorney General look like a longshot. Even one of his top allies in the Senate caucus couldn’t muster up any enthusiasm for Gaetz; Ted Cruz just told Newsmax that the process would have to play out on the “surprise” pick.

     
    Also, the minor girl Gaetz and his friends were paying for sex and whose existence was denied by Gaetz has already testified under oath for the House Ethics Committee. I’ll be very surprised if their report isn’t leaked to the press before Monday morning.

    “It’s simply that Matt Gaetz has a very long, steep hill to get across the finish line,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R., N.D.). “And it will require the spending of a lot of capital, and you just have to ask: if you could get him across the finish line, was it worth the cost?”

    Cramer said he didn’t think Gaetz would have the votes to be approved by the Judiciary Committee, much less to be confirmed by the full Senate.

    One person familiar with the conversations among Republican senators said “significantly more than four” of them are opposed, which would be enough to tank Gaetz’s chances. “People are pissed,” the person said. Other estimates ranged from more than a dozen Republican “no” votes to more than 30. “It won’t even be close,” another person said.

  11. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    If you want to knock out a young guy, you have to get the right old man.

    Ten years later he announced a comeback, and in 1994 at age 45 won the unified WBAIBF, and lineal heavyweight championship titles by knocking out 26-year-old Michael Moorer. He dropped the WBA belt rather than face his mandatory title defense soon after, and following a single successful title defense against Axel Schulz, Foreman relinquished his IBF title as well on June 28, 1995. At 46 years and 169 days old, he was the oldest world heavyweight champion in history.

  12. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    There is something deeply wrong with the state of Washington. In one week, a young lesbian woman married to a tranny murders her father with an axe, a lunatic murdered his girlfriend, ex-wife and 2 children, some guy stabbed 10 people in Seattle and then a Muslim father and mother are charged with attempted murder for trying to strangle their 17 year old daughter to death in an honor killing episode.

  13. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem
    Heavenly Father, I pray for all those in Israel who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Saviour and I pray that in Your grace, You would use them to be a true witness of the love of God and of the forgiveness and Salvation that only comes through His only begotten Son, our Saviour Jesus Christ.
    I pray that individually and as the body of Christ, the Church would be used by You to be a light to lighten those in Israel whose eyes have been blinded to the truth of the glorious gospel of Christ, and I pray that many Jewish men and women would come to a saving faith in the Lord Jesus.
    Lord, I know that You are the God of Israel, the Rock of their salvation, and their promised Redeemer, and that You have promised to one day give them the true inheritance in their land as promised to their forefather Abraham, when Jesus reigns as King of kings and Lord of lords over all the earth.
    Lord, I pray for that time when as a nation they will accept Christ as their true Messiah, and so all Israel shall be saved, but Lord in Your grace and mercy, I pray that You would use Your Church in Israel to witness to Your people Israel, who do not know the Lord Jesus, so that many come to know Him as Saviour, very soon. In Jesus’ name,
    Amen.

  14. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Sisss
    Boom
    Bahhhhh
    What is that you ask?
    The sound a sheep makes when it explodes

  15. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Axios is not my favorite news source and I have not yet been able to fact check everything, but if true…. WOW. Israel papers are carrying the story too.
    Israel destroyed equipment Iran would need to develop nuclear weapon, officials say

  16. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    My peeps!!!

  17. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I know you will not be surprised, but it appears scientific and public health institutions and authorities have lied to you again…and again.

    A physician and clinical professor in DC writes a regular column in WaPo and decides to debunk the “anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist” Robert Kennedy Jr. But something goes very wrong and it turns out fluoride in the public water supplies is not so healthy after all. The doctor does the honest and ethical thing and goes with the truth about fluoride despite her disagreements with RFK on other subjects.

    My column this week was very different from what I anticipated. I had listened to a NPR interview in which Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee for Health and Human Services secretary, said his Day 1 priority would be to stop municipalities from adding fluoride to public water systems.

    My first reaction was: “This is nuts.” Kennedy has a long history of trafficking in antiscience conspiracy theories; surely, this was one of them. I planned to write a column that would debunk his arguments and explain why fluoridation is sound public health policy.

    When I delved into the research, I was shocked: The data clearly indicates that conventional wisdom needs to be revisited.

  18. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Another highly alarming revelation about fluoride. This study was done in 2006 although I have never seen any publicity for it.

    Frankly, I don’t think Texas can exist without Lipton iced black tea – certainly not in the summers.

    Black tea can have high natural levels of fluoride and can exceed safe levels for children and adults. The federal government (EPA) states levels of fluoride in drinking water be no more than 4 parts per million, however, medical researchers recommend no more than 1.5 ppm.

    Of the products tested, the fluoride content was greatest in black tea bags, presumably because black tea bags are made of low cost, and older tea leaves. According to WHO’s recommendation, fluoride exposure threshold for children is 2 mg of daily intake and for adult, 4 mg. Assuming that children’s daily intake of black tea was 800 ml and adult’s 1500 ml, 56% of black tea bags should be considered unsafe for children and 44% should be considered unsafe for adults. At average rates of consumption, 24% of the black tea bags could result in an increasing risk of osteofluorosis and fractures (WHO).

    I’m trying to find any recent research on fluoride, but most of it seems to have been done 25 years ago or more.

  19. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I feel vindicated. I have been skeptical about fluoride in water for a long time. Fluoride in toothpaste is probably a good idea, the water not so much.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Fluoride may prevent children’s cavities, but the jury is still out on its effects on bone density and breaks, particularly on adults who’ve been consuming it all their lives. There is also an alarming study in the US recently concluding lower IQs in children are a real possibility due to fluoridation.

  20. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    We definitely need to mark Canadian armed forces off our list of “ready and fit for combat” allies. Watch this viral clip. It’s simply unbelievable.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      My first day of practice learning how to march in band was better than that. Holy cow!

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Just perfect.

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        You can never go wrong with a woman who has a deep belly laugh.

  21. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    THE WEEK IN PICTURES: RUN AND SHOOT OFFENSE EDITION

    Does it seem like Trump is already president? If his first week following the election is compared to a football game, he isn’t just throwing long bombs or running a smashmouth fullback right up the middle; he’s more like a run-and-shoot offense that completely confuses the defense and leaves it breathless. I’m hoping he names Steve Bannon to be chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities or the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, because that will ensure that Democrats will support their instant abolition. And why did Biden look so happy this week? I’ve got two theories. . .

  22. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    This goes out to a certain someone on the east coast, near Hoboken, who said yesterday he didn’t want to discuss any 20th or 21st century politics today because he needed a rest.

    this soothing tune is for you.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Phil, Phil, Phil…you know me and you know politics are like crack for me. I always swear I’m going to quit. It is like this, man.

  23. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Finally checking in – we had our monthly rosary procession at Discovery Green this morning, and I somehow got volunteered to set up the breakfast. I’ve never done this before, had no idea where everything was, etc. Our CDA Regent, bless her heart, came in to help me even though she was up past 2:00 a.m. at another event for another organization last night. She helped me figure everything out, and then she went home to sleep.

    When I finished cleaning up, Hubby picked me up and brought me home. I had toted a big tray of leftover kolaches, breakfast tacos, etc., home, so I called Handsome Son to come over and take a bunch of it back to his place. We talked for a bit, and when done I put a tablecloth for church in the washing machine and headed to Sams so I could restock the CDA stash of creamer for the coffees we do. I got some meat while there.

    I tell ya’, shopping on a carnivore diet is way different. I walked down the aisles of candy, cereals, soft drinks, and other products thinking “poison – sugar – poison – sugar”. I purchased some beef, pork ribs, and real parmesan cheese that I’m going to shred/grate for a carnivore pizza I plan to make probably tomorrow. That was it.

    From the breakfast food delivery guy to Discovery Green to the pumpkin pie sampler dude, I managed to gift 7 rosaries so far today. I need to restock my purse stash; it’s almost empty.

    I also purchased a cooked chicken while shopping, and I’m about to have a meal now that I can sit down and relax a bit.

  24. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    The Movies Channel: The Getaway

    Steve McQueen, Ali McGraw

    I just saw the bank robbery go wrong…let’s see how the rest of the movie goes.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      They filmed that in San Marcos right on the town square.

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        The last time I was on the Square in San Marcos my old business partner and I went into the bank Steve McQueen robbed and they had turned the building into a very nice, swanky bar. We stayed a while.

  25. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    For the life of me I don’t remember Sam Peckinpah’s The Getaway with Steve McQueen and Ali McGraw.
    They use an ancient Ford Econoline van during the caper.

    Reminded me of Texpat’s lime green Econoline pickup – way, way back when.
    Good memories.

  26. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I picked up a Walmart cheapo shoulder sling.
    You may recall something popped in my shoulder a few weeks ago as I was adjusting a microphone at church. It healed pretty nicely about two days later.
    But I completely forgot and used it to jerk open a sticky-two-handed-well-site-door on Wednesday.
    Not good!!!
    I’m praying it’s not too late and it will heal up to where it doesn’t hurt all the time. But if I don’t quit aggravating it, I’m gonna be in trouble.

    So, the sling.

  27. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Sally Struthers just made an appearance – a bit part as a vet’s daughter? assistant? wife?

    The bad guy may be taking her on the lam. We’ll see. Since her dad has patched him up.

  28. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I finally have time to enjoy the C&C:

    Good morning, C&C, it’s Saturday! It’s time for the Weekend Edition. Thanks in part to oversleeping after this wild week, and in part to preparations for early Thanksgiving tomorrow, we have a short and sweet roundup today. Enjoy the cooler weather, bask in the glow of one of the greatest turnaround stories in history, and we’ll pick up the pieces on Monday morning.

    ***
    Three large corporations (IBM, Disney, and Comcast) are returning to X after their self-imposed exile. Because….hate speech! I guess making friends with Trump’s best bud Elon is more important than principles. Or just maybe…

    It’s true that Elon Musk made a good bet, and his bet is paying off. But I wonder whether there’s another explanation. It seems to me that more likely reason the ads are flowing again is that the election is over. There’s nothing left to interfere with.

    Last year, a group of top advertisers, organized by a murky nonprofit, demanded X implement speech controls. Elon refused. They had the boycott ready to go, instantly launched it, and X’s revenues plunged from one day to the next by over $170 million, creating an instant financial crisis for Elon’s newest investment.

    /snip

    Maybe the new DOJ should investigate whether it was election interference.

    Boycotts can go both ways. And, a more efficient federal government might want to cut back on expensive IBM equipment and lavish conferences for bureacrats at Disney properties. Just saying.

  29. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Next up:

    The far-left Financial Times ran a soul-searching story yesterday headlined, “Trump broke the Democrats’ thermostat.” The headline was slightly deceiving; the article painted a picture of progressives separating from moderates and Republicans starting around 2012. So it might be more accurate to say Obama broke the Democrats’ thermostat. But there’s more to the story.

    Obama broke a lot of things.

    “Whether or not progressives are ready to accept it,” the article concluded, “the evidence all points in one direction: America’s moderate voters have not deserted the Democrats; the party has pushed them away.”

    Was it Reagan who said “I didn’t leave the Democrat party, it was the Democrat Party who left me”?

    Just as Obama’s terms caused progressives to flee leftwards, so Trump’s term caused conservative minorities to surge toward the GOP. It really caught on in 2016, and the last leap, the jump between 2020 and 2024, was particularly acute. Take a moment to truly understand what that chart above shows.

    The most subversive implication of this data is that Trump —the Charlottesville “fine people” loving white supremacist racist fascist— somehow caused an historic and astonishing realignment of the Democrats’ core minority constituency. That’s why the headline claimed Trump “broke” the Democrats. He’s broken the Democrats’ hypnotic hold on people who naturally should be GOP voters.

    “Hypnotic hold” – that sounds right.

  30. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    It looks as if we are going to miss the rest of Yellowstone. We have Paramount Plus, but that isn’t good enough. One must pay for regular Paramount to watch Yellowstone and we aren’t paying anymore.

    Landman starts tomorrow on Paramount Plus and we will watch it instead. They are no doubt running Yellowstone in a difficult place in order not to cannibalize the new audience for Landman.

  31. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    More from C&C:

    President Trump enjoyed enthusiastic help from a surprising source — progressives themselves. The sharpest inflection point… was in 2020, the pandemic. That was when the “party of the working class” fell madly in love with “vaccine-or-terminate” work rules. Remember how Democrats explained it? We’re not forcing anybody since people can just quit if they don’t want the shots.

    When the needle hit the road, it was Republicans who stood up for workers.

    Democrats’ pro-democracy stance dissolved in a million executive orders, in their mad rush to impose lockdowns, mask mandates, and school closures without waiting for a single vote by any democratic institution. Democrats’ anti-elitist bona fides disappeared in a foggy vapor of brainless, technocratic science worship. Their last tenuous grasp on classic liberalism collapsed in Democrats’ exuberant war against free speech, under the misleading banner of “misinformation.”

    Add to that the “me too” and transeverything movement….

    President Trump’s genius was recognizing that progressives had hollowed out the Democrat party’s identity. Progressives surgically removed the Democrat party’s testicles and doped it with estrogen….

    Democrats know they’ve painted themselves into a rainbow-colored corner, too. DEI — the most anti-working-class policy imaginable — is thankfully dying on the vine, and the Democrats aren’t trying to save it….

    Our mission, if we choose to accept it, is to not quit. We got soft in 2016, and relaxed, thinking we’d turned the corner. We should have run the enemy to ground and completely defeated the progressives. That was the strategy that the Republicans’ second president used to win the Civil War. Nicknamed by his men as “Unconditional Surrender,” Ulysses S Grant never allowed the enemy to retreat and regroup. He always ordered pursuit until the battle was won or the enemy had given up.

  32. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This is the far-left Labour Party’s Minister of the UK Parliament Steven Pineless getting slaughtered in this spectacularly produced (satire ?) video that will leave 3rd degree burns on Pineless’ reputation.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Stick a fork in him, he’s done!

  33. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I just made what may be the finest large pot of beef stew ever. Sorry y’all aren’t here to help me eat it. If any of my fellow Texans would show up I’d make a pan of delicious cornbread, but since nobody here likes it I don’t make it anymore. What a shame.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I never said I didn’t like it, just that I can’t have it. Dangit.

    2. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
      Dr phil Good-E=1984

      Neighbor
      how long’s it been since you hadda steamin thick bowl of JBM beef stew?:)

      1. Shannon Avatar
        Shannon

        Way too long, Doc.

        Hell, I didn’t have a clue that he could make a decent stew.

        1. Texpat Avatar
          Texpat

          I can make a fine meal out of any Kosher thing that doesn’t try to eat me first.

    3. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      Well if I ever get up that way you can make me some cornbread. 😉
      BTW; The restaurant we went to tonight brought out a 6″ skillet of jalapeno cornbread and a metal, 2 cup measuring cup full of coleslaw for starters. Dang it was good.

  34. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Before I forget it I really enjoyed the story of the “Real” Josey Wales and FWIW I like him, I’m glad he murdered those 4 Yankees that burned down his place.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Kind of hard to call it murder; some people just need killin.

  35. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Went to wife’s cousin’s fiftieth wedding anniversary today, they have and still live off Ella, 43rd area and party was in that area. They have seen that area go from good to bad, back to revitalized again. Still struggling with someone our age being married 50 years lol. Nice event, the “cousins table” we sat at would have been dozens, now down to just a small handful. Great to see and visit with those still with us.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      I’ve mentioned this before, but a local band called the Moving Sidewalks played at our Spring Branch High School senior prom. Shortly thereafter, Bill Ham took them on as their manager and changed their name to ZZ Top.

      Some of you might remember Bill Ham’s wife was murdered in broad daylight in the Randall’s grocery store parking at Memorial and Dairy-Ashford Road. Some random vagrant tried to rob her and ended up killing her.

  36. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Since it’s still the weekend,…I think, the Monday thread was a mistake? @ 44, another chilly morning here in the cabin on the hill but we hit the mid 70’s yesterday and it’ll be warmer today. We went for a walk in the woods yesterday after it warmed up a bit and with the exercise it was more than warm enough. Oh and climbing these hills is a workout for the legs. SO! Now I need coffee and the pot just finished up.
    Mornin’ Gang

  37. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    GJT

    Still struggling with someone our age being married 50 years lol.

    Ain’t it the truth, if the Lords a willin’ and the creek don’t rise, my wife and I will hit the 50 mark February 15, 2025. Still not sure what we’ll do but we are thinking about a return trip to Hawaii. The downside is that my wife doesn’t think she can spend 10 hours on a plane even though she flies all the time. From LA to California she always has at least one stop. I told her that we needed to get to Hotlanta, (by Tahoe or Crop Duster) and fly non-stop. Maybe hit the Bourbon first and try to sleep all the way. 😀

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Oh wow, that is just around the corner.

    2. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      Go to the Dr. and get a prescription for a few Valium. Explain it’s for a long flight. They’ll almost all write it without hesitation.

  38. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    So Chris Wright will be the first Energy Secretary, ever that has actual experience in the field! I know I’m naive but I’d have thought that somewhere along the way they could have found someone with experience. Granholm’s “experience” is purchasing a bunch of stock in battery companies right before she took office. Conflict of interest, insider trading? NAW! Of course not, she’s a Democrat……. ~SPITS~

  39. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    We made the trip to Hawaii several years ago and even though we had a stop in San Francisco, I think, it was so damned painful on my legs. Flying coach, with our carry ons I was not able to move my legs to reposition, the flight was packed and the aisle was constantly busy so I couldn’t get up to stretch, it was miserable. So much so my wife upgraded us to first class coming back. That was nice! But I don’t see us ever doing that again.

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      We went to Hawaii on our Honeymoon and Flew Southern Coach (DC 9) from Dothan Alabama to Atlanta then Delta Coach (727) to LAX, spent the night and then took Pam Am to Hawaii First Class (747). BUTT I did work for the airline! In those days a common man couldn’t afford to fly coach, let alone First Class.

  40. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Sorry for the confusion, guys. All day yesterday I had it in my head that it was Sunday. Working from my phone, I think I’ve successfully rescheduled the Monday thread to the actual Monday.

    Time travel is so confusing.

  41. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Waiting for my wife to get up, I stumbled down a rabbit hole after watching the neat video in Texpat’s @ 4:57 PM yesterday and found neat Reagan story that I’d not heard but you may have.

    The Pony Story

    “Over lunch today I asked Ed Meese about one of Reagan’s favorite jokes. ‘The pony joke?’ Meese replied. ‘Sure I remember it. If I heard him tell it once, I heard him tell it a thousand times.’”

    “The joke concerns twin boys of five or six. Worried that the boys had developed extreme personalities – one was a total pessimist, the other a total optimist – their parents took them to a psychiatrist.”

    “First the psychiatrist treated the pessimist. Trying to brighten his outlook, the psychiatrist took him to a room piled to the ceiling with brand-new toys. But instead of yelping with delight, the little boy burst into tears. ‘What’s the matter?’ the psychiatrist asked, baffled. ‘Don’t you want to play with any of the toys?’ ‘Yes,’ the little boy bawled, ‘but if I did I’d only break them.’”

    “Next the psychiatrist treated the optimist. Trying to dampen his out look, the psychiatrist took him to a room piled to the ceiling with horse manure. But instead of wrinkling his nose in disgust, the optimist emitted just the yelp of delight the psychiatrist had been hoping to hear from his brother, the pessimist. Then he clambered to the top of the pile, dropped to his knees, and began gleefully digging out scoop after scoop with his bare hands. ‘What do you think you’re doing?’ the psychiatrist asked, just as baffled by the optimist as he had been by the pessimist. ‘With all this manure,’ the little boy replied, beaming, ‘there must be a pony in here somewhere!’”

    – excerpted from How Ronald Reagan Changed My Life by Peter Robinson

  42. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    The sun is peeking through the trees and causing mist to rise off the small lake below us, eerie looking.

  43. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    This is an interview John Stossel did with RFK Jr after he dropped out of the presidential race via Michael Berry’s podcast. Interesting views, made some good points, but yeah, keep him away from energy lol.
    https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-michael-berry-show-27764850/episode/its-a-saturday-morning-bonus-podcast-for-11-16-24-239005564?cmp=ios_share&sc=ios_social_share&pr=false

  44. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I don’t have time to do further research, but simply reading the Wikipedia page on the Secretary of Energy tells you the Department has little to do with actually producing energy. They do hand out billions for windmills and solar panels. Lately, they have shown interest in reviving the nuclear industry mainly because we face an impending crisis in demand.

    The only division of the DOE involved in the oil & gas industry is the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission that operates independently even though they are listed under the DOE. We have a National Nuclear Security Administration that could take over the nuclear duties of the DOE and shut the Department of Energy down ASAP.

  45. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I think Dr Phil owes us his version of this dance on video. You don’t have to have the license plate, dude.

    1. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
      Dr phil Good-E=1984

      That’s my stuntman.:)

  46. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    It just doesn’t get any better than this.

    Now, one of the authors of that declaration — Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford physician and economist — appears poised for a top government health role, perhaps as head of NIH itself. Bhattacharya is a strong candidate to lead the nearly $50 billion agency in the coming Trump administration, with his name on an internal list of contenders being compiled by Robert F. Kennedy Jr….

  47. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Clint Russell

    @LibertyLockPod

    DEI employees threatening to quit over Sec Def Hegseth appointment

    FDA employees threatening to quit over RFK Jr HHS appointment

    DOJ employees threatening to quit over AG Gaetz appointment

    At this rate Elon & Vivek won’t have to fire hardly anybody. Fkn tremendous.

  48. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Gov. Doug Burgum, as the new Secretary of the Interior Department, will be overseeing development of onshore oil/gas leases on federal lands, under the auspices of the Bureau of Land Management.

    The Bureau of Offshore Energy Management (also part of the Interior Department) handles leasing of Federal offshore leases.

    I’m no expert but I think there are some tax incentives that need to be reinstated to encourage development of these leases.

  49. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    NASA staff are calling on Elon Musk to ‘clean house’ as it is revealed the agency blew millions of taxpayer money on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs.

    Spending reports from 2020 to 2024 showed NASA awarded grants to universities and consulting firms to support ‘environmental justice’ and initiatives that ’embrace greater diversity and inclusive practices.’

    LMI consulting received over $2 million in 2023 for NASA to ’embark on a venture to incorporate and deeply engrain diversity, inclusion, equity and accessibility in the culture and business.’ 

    and,

    A former NASA employee told DailyMail.com that NASA’s DEI is ‘destroying America’s ability to compete with China in space because the Biden-Harris administration will only fund programs that feature it.’

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      Tomorrow’s OC.

  50. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    When you thank your lucky stars you live in Texas, don’t forget to pay tribute to those brilliant Texans in 1845 who negotiated the annexation of the Republic of Texas into the United States. A major part of the deal was all lands remained property of Texas. As a result, the BLM is almost non-existent in the state and most of the parks are state owned instead of federally owned as in most other states.

    I hope Burgum fires a bunch of those arrogant asshats in the Bureau of Land Management. The amount of land in Texas under the BLM is insignificant, but my friends in the oilpatch who had to operate in New Mexico and Colorado hated them and said they were little tyrants.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      but my friends in the oilpatch who had to operate in New Mexico and Colorado hated them and said they were little tyrants

      Reminds me of the government guy and the bull on the rancher’s land “Show him your badge!”

  51. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Federally Owned Lands

    Texas – 1.9%
    New Mexico – 31.7%
    Oklahoma – 1.5% (not counting indian reservations which according 2020 SCOTUS ruling it’s about 43% of the state)
    Colorado – 36.2%
    Louisiana – 4.7%
    Arizona – 38.6%
    Nevada – 80.1%
    Montana – 29%

  52. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    WHOA !!! This is scary as hell. The FAA is run by some auto executive and his boss is DOT Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

    A major US airport is on the edge of disaster as staffing shortages threaten passenger safety amid mounting delays, a lawmaker has warned.

     

    Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) was left in chaos over the weekend when understaffed controllers were forced to implement an emergency ‘traffic management program,’ with frustrated travelers facing 36-minute delays.

    The staffing crisis has reached a critical point with the airport operating at barely half of its required levels amid a dangerous shortage of air traffic controllers.

    and,

    ‘On a day when there’s a significant amount of traffic and bad weather, we could face a catastrophe there,’ US Rep. Lloyd Doggett told the outlet.

    Rep. Doggett said Austin’s air traffic controllers are ‘overworked and understaffed,’ causing serious safety issues.

     

    This is despite the airport, which is one of the largest in Texas, serving a record-breaking 22 million passengers in 2023. 

     

    The Democrat‘s stark warning comes after only eight controllers showed up for work on Sunday instead of the required 13 – with no supervisor present.

  53. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    We are on the way to the Ren Fest. It is going to rain, but the tickets are bought and non refundable, so away we go. The rain is just going to be part of the experience. I have a full rain suit, so I’m wearing shorts and a golf shirt, with hiking boots. It should be a good time.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Have fun. We’ve lived out here since 2000, been one time just to say we did. Not my cup of tea.

      1. Shannon Avatar
        Shannon

        Haven’t been since the early years.

  54. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    NYTs fact checks RFK Jr. 😀

  55. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    The potato-headed communist media will go ballistic over this.

    joyless the hyper racist Reid is gonna have an atomic meltdown.

    cuz the communist left has no joy or sense of humor.

    https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1858136498530374074

  56. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    I haven’t been sick in a long time and caught sumtin right after Halloween.
    it was a tricky bug that seemed like it was gone two different times between then and now.

    I was out doing my exercises, mowing the lawn etc and felt great.
    then Monday past I started feeling a little peak-ed again.

    so to make a longer story short I had to call my doc and he prescribed me a zpak yesterday.

    From my symptoms I described he determined it was most likely an upper respiratory infection.

    think I picked it up on the last day of early voting.
    there were some people coughing and hacking that were standing in line and of course the touch voting machines are a germ playground.

    feeling much better now but man was I rundown yesterday after fighting it for 3 to 4 days. Was hard to sleep.

    slept like the jersey boss man after he consumed a giant bowl of beef stew.
    sawed logs all night last night.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      My wife started coming down with something Friday night and only gotten worse, she’s been out for the count since last night. Wish her well…., and me too she’s not the best patient. :frown:

      1. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
        Dr phil Good-E=1984

        Keep an eye on it.
        like I said thought it was gone twice then it hit me good
        late Monday night early Tuesday this past week.
        couldn’t sleep at all.

  57. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    Yo uncklo.
    im watching Verdi’s Requiem from San Marco church in Milan Italy, circa 2022, on ewtn.

    good stuff.
    that conductor is into it.
    suddenly l have an urge for some Grey Poupon.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      We played Requiem in high school band. Mr Farriss made us listen to the orchestral version when possible, so we’d have some idea of what we should work towards.

      When we went to contest, we played our 3 pieces, including Requiem, then sat in the audience to watch the other bands. There was another band playing that piece and we were interested in hearing them.

      We were shocked and amazed to hear them play that piece at twice the speed that we did. We were wondering if we’d screwed up, but Mr. Farriss and the judges assured us that we had, indeed, nailed it. I can only imagine what the pink sheets for the other band looked like. For the director to make such a huge mistake was unthinkable, but we were all impressed with the required technicality of some of those scale runs in the piece at that speed.

      Obviously, the other director had never heard the piece played before he taught his band to play it. I cannot even imagine what was going through their heads as they listened to us.

  58. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    Ok time for a nap.
    gotta catch up on the rest I missed the past few days.

    your turn to fill in JBM.

    1. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
      Dr phil Good-E=1984

      Lol
      of course the jersey.boss man is the one on the right.

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        Oh no you don’t, Oliver.

  59. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Just returned home…Hubby dropped me off and took my car to get me a table for the craft room upstairs, which I’m going to work on organizing and setting up after I finish my rosary making for the day.

    Got to hug a bunch of girls after mass, and made a new friend in Sebastian. He’s an adorable little boy, but he has more fidgets that his daddy can handle. It worries me sometimes when I see his father grab him so roughly. Mom was in the back with the baby. I know that Sebastian was quite the rowdy one but has improved a lot over the past year. Dad doesn’t seem happy with the improvement, however, and is having a hard time letting him grow out of his no-impulse-control phase.

    So, I had my rosary in hand during mass, and I saw Sebastian with one of the giveaway rosaries that I’m now tasked with keeping available in our narthex (church entrance). I gave the little guy a smile and held my rosary up, and he held up his blue beads and smiled back. He kept looking at me for the rest of mass, and I kept smiling at him. As we were exiting the pews, he looked at me, said good-bye, and asked my name. I gave it to him, he smiled bigly, and said good-bye again using the new name he’d learned.

    As I waited for Hubby at the front door, the family walked by again. Mom and I are friends, Dad is a nodding acquaintance, so we all said good-bye to each other and Sebastian gave me a hug. I told him I looked forward to seeing him every Sunday.

    I’m hoping that encourages Dad to cut him some slack.

  60. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    Man that conductor for Verdi’s requiem was the best.
    no baton just hands and arms.

    and he had the perfect look of eyes, expressions and hair.
    I give him a 10 outta 10.
    this isn’t an insult but he reminded me a little of Dr Frankenstein’s look when he’s shouting ‘he’s alive, alive’ in the original movie.

    bravo sir.
    now off to my grey Poupon and then a nap.

  61. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    We did the Ren Fest and hit a gap in the rain. 2hrs or so of knick knack and doodad shops is enough for me. I have to say that all the people in costumes was both amusing and alarming at the same time.

  62. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Joy Reid says Trump is going to give all white people reparations. Sounds like a plan to me.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Joy Reid and Keith Olberman should have a relationship. Their combined lunacy would drastically exceed critical mass and they would spontaneously combust.

    2. Adee Avatar
      Adee

      Ummm, who is this Joy Reid person?

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        She is a mentally disturbed on-air woman at MSNBC.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I do enjoy those SkyNews folks.

      1. Adee Avatar
        Adee

        If you want to find out what really is happening in the USA, read the Aussie Sky New, especially when the Democrats are in charge of thingsl

  63. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’ve run through a bunch of chicken lately, so I have enough stock to can tonight. I could FD it, but I also have a jar of tallow that I wanted to put on the shelf, so I’m canning instead. I used some of the stock earlier in the week to make some fresh soup for Hubby instead of his usual store bought canned options. With this stock on the shelf, I can do that again.

    He just reminded me that the Crocket Car Show is this weekend, and there’s a craft fair that goes with it. I haven’t found my Santa Claus yet, so I’m planning on going to Crockett in my car so I can return home early if I want.

    Then Sunday is the date that the Bay Area VW Club is doing their Christmas shopping for needy families. I always enjoy with doing that, so we discussed our Sunday schedule, too. It looks like I’ll be changing to the 9:00 reverent novus ordo at my church and we’ll be on our own for breakfast. That way we can both be available at noon to help with the shopping and wrapping with the club.

    Gonna be a busy weekend. Hope y’all won’t miss me too much.

  64. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Some interesting headlines from CFP:

    Ummmm…..why do y’all think y’all need defense attorneys? /spits

    Save those tears for me, will ya’. I could use ’em to make coffee.

    Impartial judicial system my ever lovin’……

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      That NBC article was one of the most biased I have ever read; on the propaganda/news spectrum the needle is pegged out on propaganda,

  65. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I let my canning jiggler go silent. Gotta start the pressure time all over again.

    I’m rusty at this, I guess. It’s been a while since I did any canning. Feels good, though.

  66. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    “Top DOJ and FBI officials scramble to hire criminal defense attorneys” ?

    Heh. That’s the best headline I have ever seen. And I’m pretty old.

    It’s a whole new category:

    Really Hot Political Porn

  67. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    So Monday’s page showed up yesterday but is not here this morning? Well it is Monday so there’s that. A little warmer here, 48 degrees but we’ll be loading up and heading out later and what a nice, short Road Trip. We really like this place, you have to go through a gate, drive almost a mile down a trail, past two small lakes to get to the cabin in the woods.
    Life is Good. Well the coffee pot is gurgling so it’s about ready. 😉
    Mornin’ Gang

  68. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Lol Tedtam going to wake up and find us wandering aimlessly in the dark with no place to park and she gonna feel real bad and she should! 😀 😀

  69. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Help, I’ve fallen and can’t find the Monday thread. . . .

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      If not for Life Alert I wouldn’t even be here! 😉

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