Lurker, there are no native mammals in Hawaii. All the mammals here are imports…even the rodents. I did have armadillos at my place in Oak Ridge North, and plenty out the back gate in the woods when I lived at FM 1488 and Texas 242 (College Park). I’m just stocking up on ammo in case Obama gets elected again and… Read more »
LurkerGoneWild
August 18, 2011 1:04 am
(sticks head out of LurkCave, savors another cool night…) Howdy Hamsterousians! Well, here we are again, another evening of “Adventures in Armadilloland” bringing the score to Humans 2, Dillos 0. Another dillo showed up tonight, larger than Baby but not quite as big as Monster Dillo. This time, having had a little practice in the fine art of dillo pouncing,… Read more »
From Robert Heinlein: How anybody expects a man to stay in business with every two-bit wowser in the country claiming a veto over what we can say and can’t say and what we can show and what we can’t show — it’s enough to make you throw up. The whole principle is wrong; it’s like demanding that grown men live… Read more »
If a man were marooned on an island and he had not good works to perform for others, does that mean he would be excluded from Heaven? Others don’t have to be present with you for you to perform good works. For instance, a lot of people pray for others every night. I think that is a small way you… Read more »
So, it does seem that I am accurate to run around the blogoshpere and say that Catholics believe that good works are necessary for salvation.
No, I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. Faith is necessary for salvation. Good works necessarily follow faith.
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 10:55 pm
If the Catholic church we correct in their Godly decisions, Galileo would have had it alot easier. Popes are not infallible in their decisions, nor those advising him.
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 10:53 pm
If a man were marooned on an island and he had not good works to perform for others, does that mean he would be excluded from Heaven? Long story short, God knows who is a good person, and who is contemptible and evil. It is up to Him to weigh it all and decide the final place we shall be.… Read more »
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 10:46 pm
mHarper, well alot of folks don’t realize how much agriculture there is out here in Hawaii. Pineapples are not our only crop, although they are our main export. We also export alot of fish from coast to coast on the mainland. Mexico used to have a thriving pineapple business too until Vietnam undercut them. But most everything we produce costs… Read more »
Darren – I think the Lutheran position sprang from the Reformation when a Catholic Luther criticized (rightly so) his fellow Catholics for twisting the Gospel so that works were used in an attempt to win favor from God. Similarly the clergy sold indulgences, surely a corruption of God’s plan. Luther’s exit also led to a counter-reformation in the Church but… Read more »
No. Catholics and Lutherans are not in full communion.
And considering the direction of the largest Lutheran body, it won’t happen anytime soon. If ever.
Shannon; I actually began reading that 1999 (“Concordia” is it called?) you cited. It was mentioned to me several months ago by an Evangelical Lutheran and he said because of that treatise (if it’s called that) the Evangelical Lutherans were in communon with the Catholic Church. I don’t know how accurate that is though. and Anglican Catholic recently told me… Read more »
Darren
August 17, 2011 10:19 pm
Tedtam; From assurances of faith. “There are few more confusing topics than salvation. It goes beyond the standard question posed by Fundamentalists: “Have you been saved?” What the question also means is: “Don’t you wish you had the assurance of salvation?” Evangelicals and Fundamentalists think they do have such an absolute assurance. All they have to do is “accept Christ… Read more »
Not to worry, he’s only got 56 more to choose from.
GJT
August 17, 2011 10:14 pm
Since y’all got all serious I shouldn’t mention that Canadian stock car driver Maryeve Dufault is making her NASCAR Nationwide Series debut this weekend. And I won’t mention Danica Patrick is also running. And I won’t mention how much I love racing.
Darren
August 17, 2011 10:01 pm
That means works necessarily come with faith. Faith and works cannot be mutually exclusive. That’s sound logic to me. If i may “18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2) I’ve heard from an Evangelical that… Read more »
Darren, I am with Tedtam–I am too darn tired lately to get into a big theological discussion. You’ve asked for a simple explanation of the Catholic position on works vis a vis Grace and justification. I contend there is no such thing. The subject does not lend itself to simple explanation. The closest thing to an abbreviated treatment is contained… Read more »
When it comes to understanding salvation and baptism, I tell my students that baptism opens the doors to God’s grace, but it’s up to us to walk through the doors. Non-Catholics tend to look at baptism as a choice we humans make, whereas Catholics see baptism as a gift bestowed upon us. That’s why we have no problems with infant… Read more »
Darren – here’s a short and sweet Catholic answer: If you have faith in Jesus Christ you are called to live your life like Christ. That means works necessarily come with faith. Faith and works cannot be mutually exclusive.
Super Dave
August 17, 2011 9:20 pm
Oh, I might add that the Morgan Silver Dollar is my favorite. Most of mine are pre 1880.
Super Dave
August 17, 2011 9:16 pm
Well LQQkie here, I just got my “1854 Seated Liberty Half Dime(with arrows)” in the mail. She is a beauty, even if she’s only a EF 40. I’m not sure why, but I have become a big fan of half dimes, maybe because they are silver and really old? This coin was minted Xactly 100 years before I was born.… Read more »
Darren
August 17, 2011 9:16 pm
I’m sure everybody here has heard of the Obama bus being manufactured in Canada. And, of course, the immediate thought from my brain was, “yeah, way to go with that creation of American jobs, Obama”. But, I didn’t think of what Rush said. It give further depth to my retalatory thought. Rush: Obama Owns Two Car Companies, Goes to Canada… Read more »
Darren
August 17, 2011 9:06 pm
Shannon #118;
Heh. 🙂
Darren
August 17, 2011 9:04 pm
I intended to today but my laptop decided that today was the day to test out it’s brakes. Hopefully it’ll be more cooperative soon.
Thanks, wagonburner. Maybe God didn’t want me to know it today. 😉
Darren
August 17, 2011 9:03 pm
Big45; Darren, did you see my response yesterday to what the young priest said about the road to salvation? I did and thanks. It did, kinda sorta talk about what I was seeking. It did emphasize what your dad could **do** to get to heavan. And, yes, beying the Ten Commandments is an ecxellent wya to get there. But I… Read more »
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 8:48 pm
Notice in the #110 video that the colors change as she drags it across. That is why think it’s a transparency. The shadow of the cylinder does cross the square as she moves it, and the color of the square shifts to what is under that square that is moving. Hence my belief it’s simply a transpareny, and will reflect… Read more »
Darren, did you see my response yesterday to what the young priest said about the road to salvation?
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 8:38 pm
Bonecrusher, not only that, but dealing with Iran, if Cain says I’m going to target you, he actually has the skills to do the targeting himself!!
Darren
August 17, 2011 8:37 pm
If one of the devoted and knowledgable Catholic s on this site could give me feedback on yesterday’s inquiry regarding the Catholic doctrine of salvation I’d really be apreciative. If not, that’s cool. But I do not want to misrepresent Catholic doctrine when I speak about it to others. https://www.hamous.org/?p=2663#comment-31168
Bonecrusher
August 17, 2011 7:38 pm
If that card is played early, in the primaries, it could spell the end for JD. If he survives that card in the primaries, it will resurface in the general. I would MUCH rather see Bachman and/or Cain as both of them are genuine conservatives and have real world biz experience.
Darren
August 17, 2011 7:23 pm
Darren, is she moving a transparent cover?
I don’t think so. The cover she’s moving is almost the same shade as the darker square she’s moving the cover to. I think it has to do with the squares surrounding the cover shes moving. It’s seems incredulous but also legitimate.
107…It was there. I could not resist, but for the life of me I could not think of any comment that would be up to the significance of the event; ergo I punted with a lame remark.
Simple
/head bowed in shame
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 6:56 pm
Bonecrusher, I’m not talking about Obama bin Biden. I was refering to the race within the party. So far I’m leaning to either Bachmann or Cain.
mharper42
August 17, 2011 6:52 pm
100 Simple Simon says:
August 17, 2011 at 4:28 pm
The joys of being broke
And what about the joy of grabbing the ring on #100?
Bonecrusher
August 17, 2011 6:44 pm
#105 B45: That will prolly be one of the targets in the campaign against Jimmy Dick. It is a 2 edged sword however, if they open that can o worms O’erkle is gonna be in a heap of trouble; there is lots of quid pro quo on his side.
Big45Iron
August 17, 2011 5:20 pm
Wasn’t there a campaign contribution connection between Perry and the people that made the HPV vaccine?
Lurker, there are no native mammals in Hawaii. All the mammals here are imports…even the rodents. I did have armadillos at my place in Oak Ridge North, and plenty out the back gate in the woods when I lived at FM 1488 and Texas 242 (College Park). I’m just stocking up on ammo in case Obama gets elected again and… Read more »
(sticks head out of LurkCave, savors another cool night…) Howdy Hamsterousians! Well, here we are again, another evening of “Adventures in Armadilloland” bringing the score to Humans 2, Dillos 0. Another dillo showed up tonight, larger than Baby but not quite as big as Monster Dillo. This time, having had a little practice in the fine art of dillo pouncing,… Read more »
From Robert Heinlein: How anybody expects a man to stay in business with every two-bit wowser in the country claiming a veto over what we can say and can’t say and what we can show and what we can’t show — it’s enough to make you throw up. The whole principle is wrong; it’s like demanding that grown men live… Read more »
If a man were marooned on an island and he had not good works to perform for others, does that mean he would be excluded from Heaven? Others don’t have to be present with you for you to perform good works. For instance, a lot of people pray for others every night. I think that is a small way you… Read more »
And that is that. I gotta go fix my tired. C ya.
No, I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. Faith is necessary for salvation. Good works necessarily follow faith.
If the Catholic church we correct in their Godly decisions, Galileo would have had it alot easier. Popes are not infallible in their decisions, nor those advising him.
If a man were marooned on an island and he had not good works to perform for others, does that mean he would be excluded from Heaven? Long story short, God knows who is a good person, and who is contemptible and evil. It is up to Him to weigh it all and decide the final place we shall be.… Read more »
mHarper, well alot of folks don’t realize how much agriculture there is out here in Hawaii. Pineapples are not our only crop, although they are our main export. We also export alot of fish from coast to coast on the mainland. Mexico used to have a thriving pineapple business too until Vietnam undercut them. But most everything we produce costs… Read more »
Well, if you say so.
After years of study, I’m still not sure.
.
They’re a slippery bunch. 🙂
Darren – I think the Lutheran position sprang from the Reformation when a Catholic Luther criticized (rightly so) his fellow Catholics for twisting the Gospel so that works were used in an attempt to win favor from God. Similarly the clergy sold indulgences, surely a corruption of God’s plan. Luther’s exit also led to a counter-reformation in the Church but… Read more »
No. Catholics and Lutherans are not in full communion.
And considering the direction of the largest Lutheran body, it won’t happen anytime soon. If ever.
“Concordat”, I think it’s called.
I wonder how many people will belong to the union in Wisconsin after a couple of months?
http://biggovernment.com/bhealy/2011/08/17/after-failing-with-recalls-big-labor-spams-state-employees/#more-316184
Shannon; I actually began reading that 1999 (“Concordia” is it called?) you cited. It was mentioned to me several months ago by an Evangelical Lutheran and he said because of that treatise (if it’s called that) the Evangelical Lutherans were in communon with the Catholic Church. I don’t know how accurate that is though. and Anglican Catholic recently told me… Read more »
Tedtam; From assurances of faith. “There are few more confusing topics than salvation. It goes beyond the standard question posed by Fundamentalists: “Have you been saved?” What the question also means is: “Don’t you wish you had the assurance of salvation?” Evangelicals and Fundamentalists think they do have such an absolute assurance. All they have to do is “accept Christ… Read more »
It will be interesting in a couple of months to see how many union members are left in Wisconson.
http://biggovernment.com/bhealy/2011/08/17/after-failing-with-recalls-big-labor-spams-state-employees/#more-316184
128 mharper42
Not to worry, he’s only got 56 more to choose from.
Since y’all got all serious I shouldn’t mention that Canadian stock car driver Maryeve Dufault is making her NASCAR Nationwide Series debut this weekend. And I won’t mention Danica Patrick is also running. And I won’t mention how much I love racing.
That means works necessarily come with faith. Faith and works cannot be mutually exclusive. That’s sound logic to me. If i may “18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2) I’ve heard from an Evangelical that… Read more »
Darren, I am with Tedtam–I am too darn tired lately to get into a big theological discussion. You’ve asked for a simple explanation of the Catholic position on works vis a vis Grace and justification. I contend there is no such thing. The subject does not lend itself to simple explanation. The closest thing to an abbreviated treatment is contained… Read more »
When it comes to understanding salvation and baptism, I tell my students that baptism opens the doors to God’s grace, but it’s up to us to walk through the doors. Non-Catholics tend to look at baptism as a choice we humans make, whereas Catholics see baptism as a gift bestowed upon us. That’s why we have no problems with infant… Read more »
#127 Hammy
Or, as Rich Mullins so eloquently puts it, Faith Without Works is Like a Screen Door on a Submarine.
Never seen it done with cups before, but it was pretty cool.
Catholic Answers usually has really good answers, thorough but understandable to the layman. Here’s a link to their response to the question of salvation.
Several salvation explanations
Assurance of Salvation
And I do love my Envoy Magazine
I hope those help..
Is he talking about Hawaii? 🙂
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/17/obama-dismisses-farmers-concerns-about-regulations-dont-always-believe-what-you-hear
Darren – here’s a short and sweet Catholic answer: If you have faith in Jesus Christ you are called to live your life like Christ. That means works necessarily come with faith. Faith and works cannot be mutually exclusive.
Oh, I might add that the Morgan Silver Dollar is my favorite. Most of mine are pre 1880.
Well LQQkie here, I just got my “1854 Seated Liberty Half Dime(with arrows)” in the mail. She is a beauty, even if she’s only a EF 40. I’m not sure why, but I have become a big fan of half dimes, maybe because they are silver and really old? This coin was minted Xactly 100 years before I was born.… Read more »
I’m sure everybody here has heard of the Obama bus being manufactured in Canada. And, of course, the immediate thought from my brain was, “yeah, way to go with that creation of American jobs, Obama”. But, I didn’t think of what Rush said. It give further depth to my retalatory thought. Rush: Obama Owns Two Car Companies, Goes to Canada… Read more »
Shannon #118;
Heh. 🙂
Thanks, wagonburner. Maybe God didn’t want me to know it today. 😉
Big45; Darren, did you see my response yesterday to what the young priest said about the road to salvation? I did and thanks. It did, kinda sorta talk about what I was seeking. It did emphasize what your dad could **do** to get to heavan. And, yes, beying the Ten Commandments is an ecxellent wya to get there. But I… Read more »
Notice in the #110 video that the colors change as she drags it across. That is why think it’s a transparency. The shadow of the cylinder does cross the square as she moves it, and the color of the square shifts to what is under that square that is moving. Hence my belief it’s simply a transpareny, and will reflect… Read more »
#115 Darren
I intended to today but my laptop decided that today was the day to test out it’s brakes. Hopefully it’ll be more cooperative soon.
110
That’s pretty annoying. 🙂
Darren, did you see my response yesterday to what the young priest said about the road to salvation?
Bonecrusher, not only that, but dealing with Iran, if Cain says I’m going to target you, he actually has the skills to do the targeting himself!!
If one of the devoted and knowledgable Catholic s on this site could give me feedback on yesterday’s inquiry regarding the Catholic doctrine of salvation I’d really be apreciative. If not, that’s cool. But I do not want to misrepresent Catholic doctrine when I speak about it to others.
https://www.hamous.org/?p=2663#comment-31168
If that card is played early, in the primaries, it could spell the end for JD. If he survives that card in the primaries, it will resurface in the general. I would MUCH rather see Bachman and/or Cain as both of them are genuine conservatives and have real world biz experience.
I don’t think so. The cover she’s moving is almost the same shade as the darker square she’s moving the cover to. I think it has to do with the squares surrounding the cover shes moving. It’s seems incredulous but also legitimate.
The race is over. All other candidates can just go home.
KISS frontman Gene Simmons: Rick Perry will be our next president
Darren, is she moving a transparent cover?
Pretty cool.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/17/this-video-illusion-will-destroy-your-brain/
107…It was there. I could not resist, but for the life of me I could not think of any comment that would be up to the significance of the event; ergo I punted with a lame remark.
Simple
/head bowed in shame
Bonecrusher, I’m not talking about Obama bin Biden. I was refering to the race within the party. So far I’m leaning to either Bachmann or Cain.
And what about the joy of grabbing the ring on #100?
#105 B45: That will prolly be one of the targets in the campaign against Jimmy Dick. It is a 2 edged sword however, if they open that can o worms O’erkle is gonna be in a heap of trouble; there is lots of quid pro quo on his side.
Wasn’t there a campaign contribution connection between Perry and the people that made the HPV vaccine?
<—-Prefers to be a mesquite chopper.
Can’t see the problem.
At least he didn’t call them goat ropers.