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Well, it’s late and I’m tired and can’t come up with much right now. I have recently been watching the TV series “Lie to Me”.   I had caught only an isolated episode or two before, but I am now catching up through the miracle of the internet. I began to wonder what life would be like if

(1) We all had the ability to tell what people were really thinking. If we could always tell when someone was lying to us, how would our society change? OR
(2) What if we had deception specialists that were consulted in political campaigns that we could trust? How would this change political races? Would this be a good thing or not? Would we end up with psychopaths or pathological liars filling our Congress, or would we end up with honest people who may or may not become liars and cheats after being in power?

Would I want this ability? Would my husband never be able to tell a white lie about if an outfit makes my bottom look fat? What would only being able to the truth do to relationships? There would never be a surprise birthday party ever again. Would our national security be at risk? Or is telling the truth all the time a good thing for everyone? Could you ever be married to someone like Dr. Lightman?

Talk amongst yourselves.


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Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 11:19 pm

Hmmmmmmmmm, would that be the “tradition” before the civil war where black peoples marriages were defined by government as lasting only “until distance separates you”? Really? That’s America’s “tradition”? Wait, hold on, didn’t the people correct government’s position? Or did a judge rule it unconstitutional? Was that standard based on law or a constitutional amendment, state or federal? Or would… Read more »

Katfish
October 6, 2010 10:47 pm

Wait a second……………………..has anyone ever seen Bob and Headshaker in the same place?????????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

bob42
October 6, 2010 10:32 pm

#77 That’s a tough one. Hmmmmmmmm, I’ll have to go with traditional US marriage. Hmmmmmmmmm, would that be the “tradition” before the civil war where black peoples marriages were defined by government as lasting only “until distance separates you”? Or would it be the “tradition” until the early 20th century when most states prohibited mixed race marriages. Speaking of which,… Read more »

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 9:45 pm

How “traditional” do you want to get?. That’s a tough one. Hmmmmmmmm, I’ll have to go with traditional US marriage. 2005 Spain legalized civil unions, a.k.a., gay marriage. Even at an all-time US low, their birth rates are significantly less than that of US. Spain Birth rate U.S. Birth Rate Hits All-Time Low Teen birth rate also falls to record… Read more »

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 9:36 pm

Wagon #71;

At first I thought you missed a “0” for the ones value.

Heh, that’s one fast lawnmower. I wanna order one.

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 9:34 pm

From #69;

Now that several states

And I kinda like it that way. Bob doesn’t.

bob42
October 6, 2010 9:31 pm

#70 You got the perception bias down pat there, buddy. Nice job. Voting for the traditional definition of marriage = mob rule forcing their will on helpless victims through illegal authoritah. How “traditional” do you want to get? In some traditions, marriages are arranged and polygamous. Very recently in this country, government defined marriage as being between two people of… Read more »

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 9:21 pm

#70 hamous Your just an evil Christianist Papist homophobe trying to force your own morals on people who are just trying to express themselves and become what their inner selves yearn for. How can you think that by denying Cindy and Tracie the benefits of societal recognition of their love for each other that you are actually doing any good… Read more »

Hamous
October 6, 2010 9:12 pm

 

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 8:59 pm

Dude set a new record speed of 96mph at Bonneville.

Hamous
October 6, 2010 8:50 pm

Voting for the traditional definition of marriage = mob rule forcing their will on helpless victims through illegal authoritah.

Voting for legalization of marijuana = citizens exercising their constitutionally-derived authority.

What was that phrase about selective perception bias? And the irony flies right over your head.

bob42
October 6, 2010 8:37 pm

Darren, DOMA was a political tactic on the part of professional politicians and politically affiliated right wing religious organization to convince big government loving social conservative authoritarians such as you, that same sex marriage was some kind of dire threat, so it was of vital importance to swing the duopoly pendulum back to the right, as quickly as possible. It… Read more »

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 8:33 pm
Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 8:16 pm

Learn some of the secrets of martial arts.

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 8:15 pm
Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 8:02 pm

bob; By DOMA, do you mean the *legislated* law? And doesn’t DOMA uphold what Californians voted for with Prop 8? Now that the decision on the state level was overturned and made into a federal issue, how has government shrunk? And who’s a judge to overrule a constitutional amendment? His authority came from the fact that he decided he had… Read more »

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 7:54 pm

I don’t think you have the authoritah to empower your government to treat people you don’t agree with differently. If you think that you do, then it is up to YOU, dude, and others of similar mind to make your case that it is necessary. You had your chance, and you failed when facts mattered.

Yes you do.

UPDATED

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 7:53 pm
Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 7:44 pm

If he voted no a couple of years ago, Judge Walker wasn’t alone. More than 6.4 million Californians voted against Proposition 8. At 48 percent, that was almost enough to constitute a majority. But Judge Walker presumably got two bites at the apple: First in the voting booth, then from the bench when he invalidated the votes of the 52… Read more »

bob42
October 6, 2010 7:42 pm

Darren, Uh, NO. Do you have any idea why Prop 8 was necessary in the first place? Now that what should be a state issue regarding marriage has turned into a federal issue, how in the world has government “shrunk”? Prop 8 was unnecessary. Those who thought it was, who spent $40+ million distorting the facts, and who convinced a… Read more »

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 7:27 pm

#53 sarge
I blame Apple.

And you’re still a racist.

😉

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 7:17 pm

bob;

If prop 19 passes, and folks think it’s harmful and of no benefit, they are free to challenge it and prove their point in an environment where facts count more than fear mongering mobs, just as the challengers to prop 8 successfully did.

Facts? You seem to think that government derives its power from government, not from the governed.

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 7:13 pm

bob #50; Both prop 19, and the challenge of 2008′s prop 8 promote less government control, and less intrusion into folks private lives. Do you disagree? Hell yeah, I disagree. Do you have any idea why Prop 8 was necessary in the first place? Now that what should be a state issue regarding marriage has turned into a federal issue,… Read more »

bob42
October 6, 2010 7:11 pm

#51 Sarge, what have you been smoking? Doesn’t it mean that one group of voters will be using their superior numbers to impose their authroitah on others? Maybe you have a point. If prop 19 passes, the government will be forced to give up your pipe dream of using violence and wasting money in a proven futile attempt to prohibit… Read more »

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 7:03 pm

Bonecrusher #26;

1) 🙂
2)

the guy who got his “bells” rung got arrested?!?

I think he was threatened to be arrested.

From fútfol to cajones, Morales just can’t stay away from ball smashing.

Darren
Darren
October 6, 2010 6:56 pm

Well, it’s late and I’m tired and can’t come up with much right now.

Hamous needs to indenture more servants on his plantation.

Katfish
October 6, 2010 6:31 pm

#43 – I am still not going to use Hey no worries – more for US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And no I never toke while working (far too many details to keep track of) – and as time passes (and inherent resistance fades) it takes less and less and less for the same enjoyment as the halcyon days of yore when you could… Read more »

Sarge
Sarge
October 6, 2010 6:06 pm

#51 Sargent Sergeant

FIFY

That’s one I will spell right.

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 6:02 pm

#51 Sargent
hater

Sarge
Sarge
October 6, 2010 5:14 pm

Again, I’m consistently in favor of limited government and personal freedom. You seem to be consistently in favor of big government controlling peoples lives, at your subjective whim. Am I wrong? Bbbbbbut, golly Doesn’t it mean that one group of voters will be using their superior numbers to impose their authroitah on others? That was pretty much your take on… Read more »

bob42
October 6, 2010 4:13 pm

#48 Sarge, I am. Kinda figured you’d be consistent in your ideology. Both prop 19, and the challenge of 2008’s prop 8 promote less government control, and less intrusion into folks private lives. Do you disagree? If prop 19 passes, and folks think it’s harmful and of no benefit, they are free to challenge it and prove their point in… Read more »

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 3:33 pm

Today’s history for you people.

In 1872 the Arabs invented the condom, using a goat’s lower intestine.

In 1873 the British somewhat refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

Sarge
Sarge
October 6, 2010 3:26 pm

The most recent polls are showing CA’s Prop 19 with a solid 9 to 11 point lead. Should the measure pass, it will be an interesting issue in terms of local control/states rights vs. federal authoritah. Golly gee, there Bob. You feel differently about voters passing a change to the law through initiative and referendum when it comes to legalizing… Read more »

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 3:20 pm
bob42
October 6, 2010 1:43 pm

#43 Bonecrusher, same here. I didn’t touch the stuff until college, but for the next ~20 years after touched it frequently. But never at work. Some DJs did, but I found that it affected my vocal center too much. As one gets older, I think it’s just natural to stop enjoying it as much or as often. Most recently I’ve… Read more »

Bonecrusher
Bonecrusher
October 6, 2010 1:37 pm

THIS ain’t cool at all. Hungary declared a state of emergency in three counties after the sludge — waste produced during bauxite refining which has a strong caustic effect and heavy metal content — hit the villages of Kolontar, Devecser and others. snip/ Rescue workers said many people had suffered burns and eye irritation from lead and corrosive elements in… Read more »

Bonecrusher
Bonecrusher
October 6, 2010 1:06 pm

41Bob42: I used to be a stoner but no longer and not for some time. When I was a stoner, I cared not one whit about its legality, only that I avoided “the man”, I was going to use ithe substance anyway – now, I have no desire to use and care not one whit whether it is legal or… Read more »

Katfish
October 6, 2010 12:59 pm

#23 – Well received – and apparently dovetails with my ‘curse’ portion………………

Folks with those abilities (I’m guessing) often wish they could flip a dang switch and turn it off!

bob42
October 6, 2010 12:55 pm

#38 Stoner! But seriously, I’m thrilled that we share some common ground there. It’s tragic when a person becomes addicted to any dangerous substance, legal or not. But at this point, it’s high time we looked at policies that might be more effective, less violent, and less costly to society. Now, if we could just get a few more politicians… Read more »

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 12:52 pm
Bonecrusher
Bonecrusher
October 6, 2010 12:42 pm

#35 Bob: I agree that the senseless persecution of these folks is dangerous on many levels. The people targeted by the Rambo wannabees present a danger to absolutely no one; and in the process the cop-turds tend to shred the constitution – not cool. You and I are on the same/similar page when it comes to drugs – I say… Read more »

wagonburner
Editor
October 6, 2010 12:41 pm

#33 bob
badgelicker. 😉

Sarge
Sarge
October 6, 2010 12:23 pm

Anybody else find that the title of Kathleen Parker’s lastest Op Ed:

The consequences of losing our sense of decency

is a bit ironic given that she makes money every weeknight sitting next to Eliot Spitzer?

bob42
October 6, 2010 12:03 pm
Bonecrusher
Bonecrusher
October 6, 2010 12:02 pm

Sarge: Sometimes nominally decent people do evil things and that does not make them evil per se, however, there are those who are evil by nature. I think that Scripture makes a distinction between evil and wickedness (twistedness); Ezek ch 18 and 33 make it clear that wicked people can be restored/redeemed via repentance, I don’t recall an example where… Read more »

bob42
October 6, 2010 12:00 pm
Sarge
Sarge
October 6, 2010 11:59 am

I read this article, and I find it to be of the “you’re not really pissed off at what you think you’re pissed off at” type that the media tends to throw out when the Democrats get their asses handed to them in a wicker basket. And yet, if Democrats lose their grip on Congress in November, President Obama would… Read more »

Sarge
Sarge
October 6, 2010 11:50 am

All I know is that Evil exists, and that there are people who do Evil things.

I know Evil when I see it, and I find that most people agree with me when they see the same thing.