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The hypocrisy of the American left is on full display in the heart of America, as the teachers’ union in Wisconsin continues to show how it will use any tactic, no matter how reprehensible, to try and get its way. Threats, intimidation, violent imagery and inflammatory rhetoric – all of the sorts of tactics that the left and the mainstream media routinely accuse conservatives of using – are on full display in Madison. But, rather than condemning such behavior, left wing champions from Barack Obama to Michael Moore are falling over themselves to show solidarity with the teachers’ union.
Protesters carried signs likening Wisconsin governor Scott Walker to Adolf Hitler and Hosni Mubarak. One protester carried a placard that posed the question “why do Republicans hate people?” while others likened Walker’s budget cutting efforts to rape. He was called a dictator by some and an image of the governor was overlaid with crosshairs by at least one protestor. A rent-a-mob marched on the governor’s home. None of this behavior seems to bother leaders on the left, no more than the same kind of extremist rhetoric and actions concerned them when the left directed it towards George W. Bush for the better part of eight years.

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  1. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Female hamsters ovulate every 5 to 7 days.

  2. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Female hamsters ovulate every 5 to 7 days.

  3. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    This would be even more genius if they put it in a bottle that looked like a clown suit and a carton that looked like a bed.

  4. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    This would be even more genius if they put it in a bottle that looked like a clown suit and a carton that looked like a bed.

  5. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    The President of the United States is looking weaker and less effective by the day.

    This is pathetic.

    Former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak refused to respond to telephone calls from US President Barack Obama becase he still felt offended by Obama’s statement in which he called on Mubarak “to step down immediately,” London-based Arabic language daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi reported on Thursday.

  6. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The President of the United States is looking weaker and less effective by the day.
    This is pathetic.

    Former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak refused to respond to telephone calls from US President Barack Obama becase he still felt offended by Obama’s statement in which he called on Mubarak “to step down immediately,” London-based Arabic language daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi reported on Thursday.

  7. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #2 They’re late to the party. That was done about 20 years ago.

  8. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #2 They’re late to the party. That was done about 20 years ago.

  9. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning all:

    The hypocrisy of the American left is on full display in the heart of America, as the teachers’ union in Wisconsin

    Did some research and thinking last night on Wisconsin ending the law allowing state workers to bargain for higher wages and benefits through their union.

    The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was founded in Madison in 1936, and in 1959, Wisconsin passed a collective bargaining law that allowed the union to negotiate the wages and benefits of government workers.

    Now, Fifty-two years later, the state and local government has a crushing load of debt from paying the salaries, benefits, and pensions of people who are, on average, doing much better than the taxpayers who come up with the money to support them.

    There’s a big difference between a unionized workforce in a private industry and a unionized workforce in government. The elected officials who decide how much to pay government workers are not spending their own money.

    Even worse, some of those officials were elected from campaign donations from the government workers they now face across the bargaining table.

    This is like allowing bank tellers to negotiate with phishing scammers over how much money they’ll be allowed to steal from your account.

    This is how prison guards make more money than doctors.

    This is how sales taxes go up to 10 percent.

    This is how real estate taxes always fall short of funding the schools.

    The bill proposed last week by Republican Gov. Scott Walker will eliminate collective bargaining rights for government workers and require state employees to pay half the cost of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of the cost of their health care coverage. In the private sector, this is called “a job with great benefits.”

    Wisconsin’s capitol has been swarmed thousands of public employees who are protesting the impending law as if it means the “end of the democratic process,” in the words of Democratic state senator Bob Jauch. There’s nothing democratic about forcing taxpayers to support a growing population of government employees who enjoy salaries, benefits and job security that the private sector no longer offers.

    It’s not the end of the democratic process. It’s the beginning of sanity.

  10. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all:

    The hypocrisy of the American left is on full display in the heart of America, as the teachers’ union in Wisconsin

    Did some research and thinking last night on Wisconsin ending the law allowing state workers to bargain for higher wages and benefits through their union.
    The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was founded in Madison in 1936, and in 1959, Wisconsin passed a collective bargaining law that allowed the union to negotiate the wages and benefits of government workers.
    Now, Fifty-two years later, the state and local government has a crushing load of debt from paying the salaries, benefits, and pensions of people who are, on average, doing much better than the taxpayers who come up with the money to support them.
    There’s a big difference between a unionized workforce in a private industry and a unionized workforce in government. The elected officials who decide how much to pay government workers are not spending their own money.
    Even worse, some of those officials were elected from campaign donations from the government workers they now face across the bargaining table.
    This is like allowing bank tellers to negotiate with phishing scammers over how much money they’ll be allowed to steal from your account.
    This is how prison guards make more money than doctors.
    This is how sales taxes go up to 10 percent.
    This is how real estate taxes always fall short of funding the schools.
    The bill proposed last week by Republican Gov. Scott Walker will eliminate collective bargaining rights for government workers and require state employees to pay half the cost of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of the cost of their health care coverage. In the private sector, this is called “a job with great benefits.”
    Wisconsin’s capitol has been swarmed thousands of public employees who are protesting the impending law as if it means the “end of the democratic process,” in the words of Democratic state senator Bob Jauch. There’s nothing democratic about forcing taxpayers to support a growing population of government employees who enjoy salaries, benefits and job security that the private sector no longer offers.
    It’s not the end of the democratic process. It’s the beginning of sanity.

  11. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Does anythink think Big O himself is not involved in this fiasco and attack against democracy?

  12. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    3 Texpat says:
    February 18, 2011 at 7:30 am

    The President of the United States is looking weaker and less effective by the day.

    And how is that “having an intelligent discourse” thing working out for you, Mr. Obama?

  13. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    3 Texpat says:
    February 18, 2011 at 7:30 am
    The President of the United States is looking weaker and less effective by the day.

    And how is that “having an intelligent discourse” thing working out for you, Mr. Obama?

  14. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    6 El Gordo says:
    February 18, 2011 at 7:41 am
    Does anythink think Big O himself is not involved in this fiasco and attack against democracy?

    Oh, people are noticing.
    One of them is a guy who gets on TV a lot.
    A quote from John Boehner: “I’m disappointed that instead of providing similar leadership from the White House, the president has chosen to attack leaders such as Gov. Walker, who are listening to the people and confronting problems that have been neglected for years at the expense of jobs and economic growth. I urge the president to order the DNC to suspend these tactics.”

  15. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    ’bout damn time.

    And in true liberal fashion, Barney Frank focuses on the really important issue:

    Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) welcomed Republicans’ use of what he called “gender neutral” language to describe the administration’s appointees.

    “A large number of the czars would have been called czarinas in the old days,” Frank said. “So I appreciate the fact that we’ve gotten past sex stereotyping of people.”

    /sarc off

  16. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    ’bout damn time.
    And in true liberal fashion, Barney Frank focuses on the really important issue:

    Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) welcomed Republicans’ use of what he called “gender neutral” language to describe the administration’s appointees.
    “A large number of the czars would have been called czarinas in the old days,” Frank said. “So I appreciate the fact that we’ve gotten past sex stereotyping of people.”

    /sarc off

  17. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Speaking of big O’s shenanigans

    Obama vowed to veto GOP budget cuts, threatening a government shutdown.

    This is getting personal. If the government shuts down and Charlie Sheen gets sober, I won’t have anything to make acerbic comments about.

  18. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Speaking of big O’s shenanigans
    Obama vowed to veto GOP budget cuts, threatening a government shutdown.
    This is getting personal. If the government shuts down and Charlie Sheen gets sober, I won’t have anything to make acerbic comments about.

  19. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Perhaps we are getting closer to closing this issue.

    Then we can move on, whatever the results are? If he is eligible, then he can’t use it to continue using the “right wing nut case” phrase anymore. If he isn’t, we’re in deep doo as we try to shovel our way out of the Constitutional crisis.

    And the Democrats take a sledgehammer blow.

  20. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Perhaps we are getting closer to closing this issue.
    Then we can move on, whatever the results are? If he is eligible, then he can’t use it to continue using the “right wing nut case” phrase anymore. If he isn’t, we’re in deep doo as we try to shovel our way out of the Constitutional crisis.
    And the Democrats take a sledgehammer blow.

  21. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Then we can move on, whatever the results are? If he is eligible, then he can’t use it to continue using the “right wing nut case” phrase anymore. If he isn’t, we’re in deep doo as we try to shovel our way out of the Constitutional crisis.

    Would that void the entire election, including Biden? Probably a good case for thet, ’cause if Hillary had won, Biden wouldn’t be VP. If so, wouldn’t that make Speaker of the House Prez? Wouldn’t that frost them to kick out Obama and replace him with a Republican?

  22. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Then we can move on, whatever the results are? If he is eligible, then he can’t use it to continue using the “right wing nut case” phrase anymore. If he isn’t, we’re in deep doo as we try to shovel our way out of the Constitutional crisis.

    Would that void the entire election, including Biden? Probably a good case for thet, ’cause if Hillary had won, Biden wouldn’t be VP. If so, wouldn’t that make Speaker of the House Prez? Wouldn’t that frost them to kick out Obama and replace him with a Republican?

  23. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #11 I wouldn’t put much stock in WorldNutDaily reports. They have a tendency to overstate the reality of the surroundings. Looks more like a clerical “correction” than a “stunning development”.

  24. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #11 I wouldn’t put much stock in WorldNutDaily reports. They have a tendency to overstate the reality of the surroundings. Looks more like a clerical “correction” than a “stunning development”.

  25. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #11 Like other conspiracy theorists, the birthers are likely to hold on to their irrational beliefs even with yet another court ruling against them.

    They’d prolly just holler judicial activism! and continue being the nutjobs they are.

  26. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #11 Like other conspiracy theorists, the birthers are likely to hold on to their irrational beliefs even with yet another court ruling against them.
    They’d prolly just holler judicial activism! and continue being the nutjobs they are.

  27. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I voted for Harry Baals, and encourage you to do the same.

  28. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    I voted for Harry Baals, and encourage you to do the same.

  29. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #14 Bob42

    #11 Like other conspiracy theorists, the birthers are likely to hold on to their irrational beliefs even with yet another court ruling against them.

    Gee, that looks/sounds familiar.

  30. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #14 Bob42

    #11 Like other conspiracy theorists, the birthers are likely to hold on to their irrational beliefs even with yet another court ruling against them.

    Gee, that looks/sounds familiar.

  31. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #13 Hamous

    I’ve maintained all along the concealed Obama birth record is simply a way to bait the Right into appearing as conspiracy nuts. Witness David Gregory of NBC hammering away at Boehner about the birther conspiracists. This is a coordinated Journolist/Organizing for America drumbeat.

  32. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #13 Hamous
    I’ve maintained all along the concealed Obama birth record is simply a way to bait the Right into appearing as conspiracy nuts. Witness David Gregory of NBC hammering away at Boehner about the birther conspiracists. This is a coordinated Journolist/Organizing for America drumbeat.

  33. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Justice Clarence Thomas has taken much criticism because he is quiet during oral arguments and refuses to join the fray of battering lawyers with questions. The NYT had an interesting debate in its opinion pages yesterday about this subject and here is liberal law prof Orin Kerr:

    Consider recent history. Before Justice Scalia’s arrival on the court in 1986, oral arguments were very boring. The justices rarely spoke. Lawyers could go on for several minutes before anyone would pose a question. In the last 25 years, that style has fallen out of favor. Almost all of the members of the court today are active questioners in the Scalia mold. As a result, lawyers arguing before the court now are pelted with questions from the moment they begin. Only Justice Thomas takes the more traditional approach of letting the lawyers speak.

    There are three other law professors’ opinions and you can read it here.

  34. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Justice Clarence Thomas has taken much criticism because he is quiet during oral arguments and refuses to join the fray of battering lawyers with questions. The NYT had an interesting debate in its opinion pages yesterday about this subject and here is liberal law prof Orin Kerr:

    Consider recent history. Before Justice Scalia’s arrival on the court in 1986, oral arguments were very boring. The justices rarely spoke. Lawyers could go on for several minutes before anyone would pose a question. In the last 25 years, that style has fallen out of favor. Almost all of the members of the court today are active questioners in the Scalia mold. As a result, lawyers arguing before the court now are pelted with questions from the moment they begin. Only Justice Thomas takes the more traditional approach of letting the lawyers speak.

    There are three other law professors’ opinions and you can read it here.

  35. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Barely foggy 62 at 6 that became pea soup foggy an hour later. This is not the best weather pattern we’re stuck in but certainly beats winter blasts. No rain in the immediate forecast so will have to water the flowerbeds. Rollercoaster weather continues.

    The union whinersand supporters in Wisconsin have not covered themselves in glory–but likely with something else. The Dem Senators who fled are damaged goods now, as the ordinary citizens are even more outraged and will remember come next election.

  36. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Barely foggy 62 at 6 that became pea soup foggy an hour later. This is not the best weather pattern we’re stuck in but certainly beats winter blasts. No rain in the immediate forecast so will have to water the flowerbeds. Rollercoaster weather continues.
    The union whinersand supporters in Wisconsin have not covered themselves in glory–but likely with something else. The Dem Senators who fled are damaged goods now, as the ordinary citizens are even more outraged and will remember come next election.

  37. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    bob from last night –

    WB, I don’t think you’ve made a valid argument in support of current gambling restrictions. You’ve presented a couple of maybes, and a patriotic platitude.

    We, as citizens of this great nation, elect people to represent us in government.

    …And then stood silent (or in vocal support) as the politicians were bought off by the special interests that benefit from gambling prohibitions.

    No, that’s how a functioning government works. I don’t derive the authority to tell people where they can and cannot gamble; the state does via the legislative process. We, as a people, delegated the authority to the government to make laws to keep everything running more or less smoothly. It’s not perfect, but I challenge anyone to show me something better that actually works in practice and is not merely a utopian theory/fantasy.

    Now, specifically related to the example at hand, when were the anti-gambling laws passed? I would wager ( 😉 ) that they were passed before your “special interests” were either around or had much political clout. They probably arose because people would gather to gamble somewhere like neighborhood bars and there was sufficient trouble that resulted from this activity that the people in those neighborhoods petitioned their government for a redress of their grievances and prevailed upon them to outlaw gambling except in certain well-defined areas.

    You see bob, the thing most libertarians fail to realize or acknowledge or they just flat ignore when they yammer about having liberty to do what they want, when and where they want to, is that liberty is a two-way street, that along with that liberty comes the responsibility to take the consequences thereof. Most people are not the paragon of responsibility that you are. They go out gambling because “It’s my right!”, but cause havoc that others have to deal with and infringes on their liberty to be left alone. Same thing goes with that silly war on a plant. There are enough stoners that exercise their liberty to partake of the herb, but shrug off the responsibility of still acting like adults that it is in society’s interest to limit its use.

  38. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    bob from last night –

    WB, I don’t think you’ve made a valid argument in support of current gambling restrictions. You’ve presented a couple of maybes, and a patriotic platitude.

    We, as citizens of this great nation, elect people to represent us in government.

    …And then stood silent (or in vocal support) as the politicians were bought off by the special interests that benefit from gambling prohibitions.

    No, that’s how a functioning government works. I don’t derive the authority to tell people where they can and cannot gamble; the state does via the legislative process. We, as a people, delegated the authority to the government to make laws to keep everything running more or less smoothly. It’s not perfect, but I challenge anyone to show me something better that actually works in practice and is not merely a utopian theory/fantasy.
    Now, specifically related to the example at hand, when were the anti-gambling laws passed? I would wager ( 😉 ) that they were passed before your “special interests” were either around or had much political clout. They probably arose because people would gather to gamble somewhere like neighborhood bars and there was sufficient trouble that resulted from this activity that the people in those neighborhoods petitioned their government for a redress of their grievances and prevailed upon them to outlaw gambling except in certain well-defined areas.
    You see bob, the thing most libertarians fail to realize or acknowledge or they just flat ignore when they yammer about having liberty to do what they want, when and where they want to, is that liberty is a two-way street, that along with that liberty comes the responsibility to take the consequences thereof. Most people are not the paragon of responsibility that you are. They go out gambling because “It’s my right!”, but cause havoc that others have to deal with and infringes on their liberty to be left alone. Same thing goes with that silly war on a plant. There are enough stoners that exercise their liberty to partake of the herb, but shrug off the responsibility of still acting like adults that it is in society’s interest to limit its use.

  39. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    The vote was 249-179.

    Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) offered the amendment that blocks funding for various policy advisers to combat what he called “a very disturbing proliferation of czars” under Obama.

    “These unappointed, unaccountable people who are literally running a shadow government, heading up these little fiefdoms that nobody can really seem to identify where they are or what they’re doing,” Scalise said Thursday. “But we do know that they’re wielding vast amounts of power.”


    This is great news.

  40. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The vote was 249-179.
    Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) offered the amendment that blocks funding for various policy advisers to combat what he called “a very disturbing proliferation of czars” under Obama.
    “These unappointed, unaccountable people who are literally running a shadow government, heading up these little fiefdoms that nobody can really seem to identify where they are or what they’re doing,” Scalise said Thursday. “But we do know that they’re wielding vast amounts of power.”


    This is great news.

  41. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    From troofers to moofers to the Kennedy kooks, all conspiracy theorists require a massive amount of cognitive dissonance.
    The birfers are no different, but posses an additional element–they are purely and obviously politically motivated. Of course the left and the media are gonna poke fun at them. They’re worthy targets because of their silliness.
    Anyone who theorizes that the left is behind the birfers may be hatching a conspiracy theory of their own.
    btw, I shot JFK.

  42. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Here’s a great example of the “logic” employed by the left in Wisconsin. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel published a fairly well-reasoned opinion piece that posited that the unions were trying to essentially overturn the results of a free election. This brought out the rabid union supporter who lambasted him for being so ignorant of all the Really Good Things that unions have done and continue to do. One comment in particular stands out as a shining star of leftist thought. It’s from the esteemed John Kaufman:

    If you or someone else has made a mistake, you try to fix it democratically, if you are a concerned and responsible citizen. And if you must, you go on strike.

    As for this– “How did we achieve not just next year’s $3.3 billion deficit but the decade of structural deficits before? Easy: It’s because labor costs for years have been outstripping taxpayers’ capacity.”– well, since state teachers, other state employees and Wisconsinites using state services seem far from wealthy, the state’s ongoing deficit would suggest that the taxable capacity of the state’s truly wealthy and wealthy corporations has yet to be reached.

    And as a new report issued by the Institute for Wisconsin’s Future makes clear (“Unintended Consequences”), cutting state worker compensation is likely to cause the loss of some 10,000 private sector jobs in Wisconsin.

    The second paragraph seems to say that “Since the Sainted Public Servants are not wealthy, it means that we are not taxing those who are wealthy enough.”

    The third paragraph comes from a study done by some lib think tank. They reasoned that if public-sector employees were given pay cuts or were laid off to provide budget cuts approximating what is being considered in Wisconsin, the resulting reductions in spending by those affected employees would cause economic activity in the state to drop such that 10,000 private sector jobs would be lost. They neglected to include in their models the fact that the money the affected public-sector employees would not be able to spend would have remained in the private sector, allowing the taxpayers to spend it how they chose.

  43. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Here’s a great example of the “logic” employed by the left in Wisconsin. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel published a fairly well-reasoned opinion piece that posited that the unions were trying to essentially overturn the results of a free election. This brought out the rabid union supporter who lambasted him for being so ignorant of all the Really Good Things that unions have done and continue to do. One comment in particular stands out as a shining star of leftist thought. It’s from the esteemed John Kaufman:

    If you or someone else has made a mistake, you try to fix it democratically, if you are a concerned and responsible citizen. And if you must, you go on strike.
    As for this– “How did we achieve not just next year’s $3.3 billion deficit but the decade of structural deficits before? Easy: It’s because labor costs for years have been outstripping taxpayers’ capacity.”– well, since state teachers, other state employees and Wisconsinites using state services seem far from wealthy, the state’s ongoing deficit would suggest that the taxable capacity of the state’s truly wealthy and wealthy corporations has yet to be reached.
    And as a new report issued by the Institute for Wisconsin’s Future makes clear (“Unintended Consequences”), cutting state worker compensation is likely to cause the loss of some 10,000 private sector jobs in Wisconsin.

    The second paragraph seems to say that “Since the Sainted Public Servants are not wealthy, it means that we are not taxing those who are wealthy enough.”
    The third paragraph comes from a study done by some lib think tank. They reasoned that if public-sector employees were given pay cuts or were laid off to provide budget cuts approximating what is being considered in Wisconsin, the resulting reductions in spending by those affected employees would cause economic activity in the state to drop such that 10,000 private sector jobs would be lost. They neglected to include in their models the fact that the money the affected public-sector employees would not be able to spend would have remained in the private sector, allowing the taxpayers to spend it how they chose.

  44. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    WB, so do you support the gambling laws as they are, or not?

    We, as a people, delegated the authority to the government to make laws to keep everything running more or less smoothly.

    The typical authoritarian viewpoint is that many activities should be illegal until government specifically declares them to be legal. The typical libertarian viewpoint is that if something is going to be prohibited by force of government, there’d better be a darn good reason for it. While some regulation may be appropriate, gambling prohibition fails that test.

    Older laws prohibiting gambling were supported by the same kinds social conservative authoritarian busy bodies that were behind alcohol prohibition.

    The more recent ban of online gambling was passed two years ago, late at night, attached to a completely unrelated port security bill that was bound to pass, and had the backing of the casino industry, who lobbied heavily for it.

    The enforcement section of that new law empowered the government to force banks to tell them details of transactions, no search warrant required. It also put another foot in the door leading to government regulation of the internet.

    Additionally, The U.S. was sued by a foreign country. The government settled, gave them a bunch of our money, and won’t even tell us how much.

    Online gambling prohibition should be repealed. It’s offensive to freedom, costs us money to implement, grows government authoritah, and is an excellent example of corporatism.

  45. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    WB, so do you support the gambling laws as they are, or not?

    We, as a people, delegated the authority to the government to make laws to keep everything running more or less smoothly.

    The typical authoritarian viewpoint is that many activities should be illegal until government specifically declares them to be legal. The typical libertarian viewpoint is that if something is going to be prohibited by force of government, there’d better be a darn good reason for it. While some regulation may be appropriate, gambling prohibition fails that test.
    Older laws prohibiting gambling were supported by the same kinds social conservative authoritarian busy bodies that were behind alcohol prohibition.
    The more recent ban of online gambling was passed two years ago, late at night, attached to a completely unrelated port security bill that was bound to pass, and had the backing of the casino industry, who lobbied heavily for it.
    The enforcement section of that new law empowered the government to force banks to tell them details of transactions, no search warrant required. It also put another foot in the door leading to government regulation of the internet.
    Additionally, The U.S. was sued by a foreign country. The government settled, gave them a bunch of our money, and won’t even tell us how much.
    Online gambling prohibition should be repealed. It’s offensive to freedom, costs us money to implement, grows government authoritah, and is an excellent example of corporatism.

  46. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    WB, so do you support the gambling laws as they are, or not?

    I don’t know the specifics of the laws in Texas, much less Baltimore, but non-commercial gambling (e.g., friendly neighborhood poker games, bingo, etc.) should be legal. Running a gambling parlor in neighborhood bars should probably not be. Horse/dog/pig tracks should be allowed, so long as those who live nearby approve, ditto casinos.

    I have no idea why anyone would partake in online gambling; it would seem to be too easy to rig the games (as has been shown to have happened in several cases).

    My beef isn’t with gambling per se, but with people who infringe on the ability of others to freely associate without having to deal with the side effects of a gambling operation in their neighborhood.

  47. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    WB, so do you support the gambling laws as they are, or not?

    I don’t know the specifics of the laws in Texas, much less Baltimore, but non-commercial gambling (e.g., friendly neighborhood poker games, bingo, etc.) should be legal. Running a gambling parlor in neighborhood bars should probably not be. Horse/dog/pig tracks should be allowed, so long as those who live nearby approve, ditto casinos.
    I have no idea why anyone would partake in online gambling; it would seem to be too easy to rig the games (as has been shown to have happened in several cases).
    My beef isn’t with gambling per se, but with people who infringe on the ability of others to freely associate without having to deal with the side effects of a gambling operation in their neighborhood.

  48. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Heh heh.

  49. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Heh heh.

  50. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    What’s up with you there, chuckles?

  51. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    What’s up with you there, chuckles?

  52. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    John Hinderaker of Powerline noted this post via cellphone to Iowahawk’s Facebook page as he was passing through an airport yesterday:

    Attention ladies – my full body scan should be in TSA database now. Please remember that objects on screen are larger than they appear.

  53. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    My beef isn’t with gambling per se, but with people who infringe on the ability of others to freely associate without having to deal with the side effects of a gambling operation in their neighborhood.

    You mean stuff like this?

  54. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    My beef isn’t with gambling per se, but with people who infringe on the ability of others to freely associate without having to deal with the side effects of a gambling operation in their neighborhood.

    You mean stuff like this?

  55. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #25 WB, I’m not sure about Hammie, but I get a chuckle because you admit knowing nothing about gambling laws, yet assume they’re necessary and beneficial to society, apparently solely based on your authoritarian philosophy, just like you take the governments word that cannabis prohbition is a good and necessary thing, despite evidence to the contrary.

    I’m sure the residents of Dallas were relieved when the authoritahs finally shut down this notorious den of inequity.

  56. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #25 WB, I’m not sure about Hammie, but I get a chuckle because you admit knowing nothing about gambling laws, yet assume they’re necessary and beneficial to society, apparently solely based on your authoritarian philosophy, just like you take the governments word that cannabis prohbition is a good and necessary thing, despite evidence to the contrary.
    I’m sure the residents of Dallas were relieved when the authoritahs finally shut down this notorious den of inequity.

  57. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Heh Heh HAL.

    Now I know why Hammie was chuckling. He took the liberty of replacing what I typed with “mesonoxian” and “floccinaucinihilipilifications.”

    I guess I’ll have to find different words to use to describe a philosophy that naively and overly trusts government, and likes to tell other people what they can or can’t do.

  58. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Heh Heh HAL.
    Now I know why Hammie was chuckling. He took the liberty of replacing what I typed with “mesonoxian” and “floccinaucinihilipilifications.”
    I guess I’ll have to find different words to use to describe a philosophy that naively and overly trusts government, and likes to tell other people what they can or can’t do.

  59. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    My best friend of the day is Takien.

  60. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    My best friend of the day is Takien.

  61. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    I made a comment some time ago that what was happening in Greece was coming to America. That we would have to take on the unions and their persuasion of power.

    I was dismissed quicker than bob420 can spark a doob.

    Thanks to rotten government unions and their corrupt relationships with the political class, it’s here folks.

    In the words of HeadShaker, DanielJames and a few other posers – vindication is sweet!

  62. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    I made a comment some time ago that what was happening in Greece was coming to America. That we would have to take on the unions and their persuasion of power.
    I was dismissed quicker than bob420 can spark a doob.
    Thanks to rotten government unions and their corrupt relationships with the political class, it’s here folks.
    In the words of HeadShaker, DanielJames and a few other posers – vindication is sweet!

  63. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Links to follow to keep up with the Madison, WI showdown.

    This is just the first skirmish in a long battle. You will see this over and over again. It is also why I said after the 2010 election, the truly important victory story was the majorities won by Republicans in statehouses across the nation.

    Barack Obama believes he can manufacture a “grassroots” movement on the Left to counter the Tea Party. Sending the thugs, Richard Trumka, paid protestors, OFA staff to Wisconsin while manipulating the MSM are key factors.

    http://badgerblogger.com/

    http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes

    Ann Althouse has tons of photos, scroll down: http://althouse.blogspot.com/

  64. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Links to follow to keep up with the Madison, WI showdown.
    This is just the first skirmish in a long battle. You will see this over and over again. It is also why I said after the 2010 election, the truly important victory story was the majorities won by Republicans in statehouses across the nation.
    Barack Obama believes he can manufacture a “grassroots” movement on the Left to counter the Tea Party. Sending the thugs, Richard Trumka, paid protestors, OFA staff to Wisconsin while manipulating the MSM are key factors.
    http://badgerblogger.com/
    http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes
    Ann Althouse has tons of photos, scroll down: http://althouse.blogspot.com/

  65. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    it’s here folks.

    But not nearly the level of Greece. Right now there are way more private sector employees than public sector. Hopefully one of these governors will follow Reagan’s lead and fire a bunch of these parasites.

  66. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    it’s here folks.

    But not nearly the level of Greece. Right now there are way more private sector employees than public sector. Hopefully one of these governors will follow Reagan’s lead and fire a bunch of these parasites.

  67. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #25 WB, I’m not sure about Hammie, but I get a chuckle because you admit knowing nothing about gambling laws, yet assume they’re necessary and beneficial to society, apparently solely based on your mesonoxian philosophy, just like you take the governments word that cannabis prohbition is a good and necessary thing, despite evidence to the contrary.

    And you would be wrong, as is typical, about my reasoning. If you read my post, you will see that I tend to think that people should be allowed to do what they want unless they are causing problems for others. You are assuming that Baltimore’s gambling laws are the result of some nefarious plot by “big gambling” to suppress competition via the suppression of the rights of the people to freely associate. My position is that the laws were more likely a result of the gamblers freely associating and causing trouble for everyone else. Government exists in part to resolve these kinds of differences of opinion.

    You may think everyone has the right to listen to whatever music they want on a public street. Sounds good so far, right? What happens when you decide to play your music on the street in front of my house so loudly that your buddies in New York can hear it? I can ask that you turn it down and you can say it’s your right to do as you please since you’re not hurting me. So, being the live and let live type I am,I put on some earplugs and go about my business.

    Now, say others like your musical taste and decide they want to freely associate with you on the public street in front of my house. Your fame spreads and people are flocking to hear bob42’s awesome music. People decide to bring some beer and wine because they like to enjoy those while they listen to your rockin’ tunes. These events become so large that they no longer affect only me; people for blocks around are being disturbed by you and all your hipster friends and associates who are playing loud music and leaving beer and wine bottles all over the place. They decide to call the cops to disperse the rabble.

    The rabble disperses and moves to another venue, with similar results. Meanwhile others decide they want to do much the same thing and do so. Soon this becomes a widespread phenomenon, disrupting the lives of the townsfolk, who demand that the city council do something. Since asking you to stop only results in you decamping to some other spot, they decide to make these impromptu concerts illegal.

    THAT’s how I envision the Baltimore and other anti-gambling legislation happening. A bunch of libertines claiming liberty cause trouble, causing themselves and others to lose that liberty. If everyone were responsible, most of these things would not need to be legislated, but the plain fact of the matter is that well more than a sufficient minority is not so responsible, so stronger measures must be taken.

    You’ll say, “Well deal with them and leave me alone to gamble/smoke weed/bugger sheep. I’m not hurting anyone.” That was usually tried for quite a while and was unsuccessful, so other measures had to be taken. If you have any ideas that will actually be effective, I’d like to hear them.

  68. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #25 WB, I’m not sure about Hammie, but I get a chuckle because you admit knowing nothing about gambling laws, yet assume they’re necessary and beneficial to society, apparently solely based on your mesonoxian philosophy, just like you take the governments word that cannabis prohbition is a good and necessary thing, despite evidence to the contrary.

    And you would be wrong, as is typical, about my reasoning. If you read my post, you will see that I tend to think that people should be allowed to do what they want unless they are causing problems for others. You are assuming that Baltimore’s gambling laws are the result of some nefarious plot by “big gambling” to suppress competition via the suppression of the rights of the people to freely associate. My position is that the laws were more likely a result of the gamblers freely associating and causing trouble for everyone else. Government exists in part to resolve these kinds of differences of opinion.
    You may think everyone has the right to listen to whatever music they want on a public street. Sounds good so far, right? What happens when you decide to play your music on the street in front of my house so loudly that your buddies in New York can hear it? I can ask that you turn it down and you can say it’s your right to do as you please since you’re not hurting me. So, being the live and let live type I am,I put on some earplugs and go about my business.
    Now, say others like your musical taste and decide they want to freely associate with you on the public street in front of my house. Your fame spreads and people are flocking to hear bob42’s awesome music. People decide to bring some beer and wine because they like to enjoy those while they listen to your rockin’ tunes. These events become so large that they no longer affect only me; people for blocks around are being disturbed by you and all your hipster friends and associates who are playing loud music and leaving beer and wine bottles all over the place. They decide to call the cops to disperse the rabble.
    The rabble disperses and moves to another venue, with similar results. Meanwhile others decide they want to do much the same thing and do so. Soon this becomes a widespread phenomenon, disrupting the lives of the townsfolk, who demand that the city council do something. Since asking you to stop only results in you decamping to some other spot, they decide to make these impromptu concerts illegal.
    THAT’s how I envision the Baltimore and other anti-gambling legislation happening. A bunch of libertines claiming liberty cause trouble, causing themselves and others to lose that liberty. If everyone were responsible, most of these things would not need to be legislated, but the plain fact of the matter is that well more than a sufficient minority is not so responsible, so stronger measures must be taken.
    You’ll say, “Well deal with them and leave me alone to gamble/smoke weed/bugger sheep. I’m not hurting anyone.” That was usually tried for quite a while and was unsuccessful, so other measures had to be taken. If you have any ideas that will actually be effective, I’d like to hear them.

  69. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Hey with all of the talk about the idiots in some of the other states and DC, how about a homegrown one. Democrat in Texas house trying to mandate DOG INSURANCE.. Read and get a laugh….

  70. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Hey with all of the talk about the idiots in some of the other states and DC, how about a homegrown one. Democrat in Texas house trying to mandate DOG INSURANCE.. Read and get a laugh….

  71. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Thanks for the strawmen WB. That must have taken some time.

    The fact of the matter remains that I’ve done my homework, both on the corporatist based prohibition of online gambling, and of the plant. You’ve admitted that your ignorant of gambling laws, but accept the notion that if the government says they’re needed, then they are.

  72. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Thanks for the strawmen WB. That must have taken some time.
    The fact of the matter remains that I’ve done my homework, both on the corporatist based prohibition of online gambling, and of the plant. You’ve admitted that your ignorant of gambling laws, but accept the notion that if the government says they’re needed, then they are.

  73. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    Un-leashed un-neutered male dogs?

    That sounds a lot like pet discrimination to me.

    I’m calling Jim Adler, the Texas Hammer because I’ve got a compensable grievance.

    I think I’m going to start making my money the old fashioned way – SUING FOR IT!

    What about those rotten cats?

    I call naked discrimination by a suspected cat-owning female legislator.

  74. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Un-leashed un-neutered male dogs?
    That sounds a lot like pet discrimination to me.
    I’m calling Jim Adler, the Texas Hammer because I’ve got a compensable grievance.
    I think I’m going to start making my money the old fashioned way – SUING FOR IT!
    What about those rotten cats?
    I call naked discrimination by a suspected cat-owning female legislator.

  75. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    She’s prolly a crazy cat lady.

  76. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    She’s prolly a crazy cat lady.

  77. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Byte me, HAL.

    A u t h o r i t a r i a n.

  78. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Byte me, HAL.
    A u t h o r i t a r i a n.

  79. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Kimberly Strassel of the WSJ with an outstanding piece today on the new Boehner House of Representatives. In the 90s, Gingrich took most of the power away from the committee chairs and concentrated it with the Speaker, Majority Leader and Whip. It was not a good move. Boehner has relinquished that stranglehold and is allowing his chairmen much more leeway in running their committees. It makes for a better, yet messier, democratic process.

    And about time. The Democrats’ style of management—on ObamaCare, cap and trade, financial regulation, stimulus—was to secretly craft bills and ram through a vote, denying members a chance to read, to debate, to amend. They learned this from former Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who infamously micro- managed his GOP majority from 2003-2005. The House had become a place where the leadership called all the shots and the majority saluted.

    But this week the country witnessed the House coming together to argue over and exercise its foremost responsibility: power over the purse. And from the look of the amendments, both sides were eager to use that funding authority to put the Obama policy machine on notice.

    There were amendments to prohibit funds for the mortgage-modification program (Darrell Issa, R., Calif.), for wasteful broadband grants (Jim Matheson, D., Utah), for further TSA full-body scanning machines (Rush Holt, D., N.J.), for the salaries of State Department envoys tasked with shutting Guantanamo Bay (Tim Huelskamp, R., Kan.). And amendments designed to cut off funding for IRS agents enforcing ObamaCare.

    HT: Instapundit

  80. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Kimberly Strassel of the WSJ with an outstanding piece today on the new Boehner House of Representatives. In the 90s, Gingrich took most of the power away from the committee chairs and concentrated it with the Speaker, Majority Leader and Whip. It was not a good move. Boehner has relinquished that stranglehold and is allowing his chairmen much more leeway in running their committees. It makes for a better, yet messier, democratic process.

    And about time. The Democrats’ style of management—on ObamaCare, cap and trade, financial regulation, stimulus—was to secretly craft bills and ram through a vote, denying members a chance to read, to debate, to amend. They learned this from former Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who infamously micro- managed his GOP majority from 2003-2005. The House had become a place where the leadership called all the shots and the majority saluted.
    But this week the country witnessed the House coming together to argue over and exercise its foremost responsibility: power over the purse. And from the look of the amendments, both sides were eager to use that funding authority to put the Obama policy machine on notice.
    There were amendments to prohibit funds for the mortgage-modification program (Darrell Issa, R., Calif.), for wasteful broadband grants (Jim Matheson, D., Utah), for further TSA full-body scanning machines (Rush Holt, D., N.J.), for the salaries of State Department envoys tasked with shutting Guantanamo Bay (Tim Huelskamp, R., Kan.). And amendments designed to cut off funding for IRS agents enforcing ObamaCare.

    HT: Instapundit

  81. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I think I’d have picked a different headline for this story.

    “Band director accused of playing in A minor”

  82. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    I think I’d have picked a different headline for this story.
    “Band director accused of playing in A minor”

  83. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    In the words of HeadShaker, DanielJames and a few other posers – vindication is sweet!

    Yah.

    That there is a brain trust that we should have listened to because of their prescience, logic, and effective communications skills.

    I am so ashamed.

  84. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    In the words of HeadShaker, DanielJames and a few other posers – vindication is sweet!

    Yah.
    That there is a brain trust that we should have listened to because of their prescience, logic, and effective communications skills.
    I am so ashamed.

  85. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Apparently it’s play with HAL day…

    authoriterdian

  86. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Apparently it’s play with HAL day…
    authoriterdian

  87. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Thanks for the strawmen WB. That must have taken some time.

    Not a strawman – an analogy. I’ve only said that online gambling is a risky behavior due to the potential that it can be easily rigged against the players and toward the house.

    You are the one engaging in strawmen by misrepresenting my position, which I stated fairly clearly above and which you apparently don’t understand. Your extremely “libertarian” views seem to be based in part by your belief that people will act responsibly when given the opportunity to do so. That is patently false, because even with gambling and partaking of the holy herb being at least somewhat illegal, people continue to participate in those activities and cause problems for the rest of us.

    I’ll say it again – people in general are not the paragons of responsibility that you may be. As such, their liberties need to be curtailed to allow more responsible people to enjoy their liberty. The fact that these irresponsible people continue to infringe on my liberty leads those in government to take stronger measures to deal with the problems.

    btw – what is the history of the gambling laws in Baltimore? Are they a result of “big casino” moving in to squash the little guy? Or did they arise as I have speculated? You haven’t exactly established yourself as an authority on gaming laws in either Texas or Baltimore, so you really have no basis by which to understand their intent or scope other than to assert that some nameless, faceless, liberty-sucking entity is harshing your mellow by not allowing gambling in some bar in Baltimore. Did it ever occur to you that the people of Baltimore might like it the way they have it? Don’t they get to have their voices heard? What about their liberty to enjoy their neighborhood free from the effects of gambling? You simply assume that since you don’t like a particular law that it must be an immoral infringement on your liberty, even though you are spectacularly unaffected by it.

  88. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Thanks for the strawmen WB. That must have taken some time.

    Not a strawman – an analogy. I’ve only said that online gambling is a risky behavior due to the potential that it can be easily rigged against the players and toward the house.
    You are the one engaging in strawmen by misrepresenting my position, which I stated fairly clearly above and which you apparently don’t understand. Your extremely “libertarian” views seem to be based in part by your belief that people will act responsibly when given the opportunity to do so. That is patently false, because even with gambling and partaking of the holy herb being at least somewhat illegal, people continue to participate in those activities and cause problems for the rest of us.
    I’ll say it again – people in general are not the paragons of responsibility that you may be. As such, their liberties need to be curtailed to allow more responsible people to enjoy their liberty. The fact that these irresponsible people continue to infringe on my liberty leads those in government to take stronger measures to deal with the problems.
    btw – what is the history of the gambling laws in Baltimore? Are they a result of “big casino” moving in to squash the little guy? Or did they arise as I have speculated? You haven’t exactly established yourself as an authority on gaming laws in either Texas or Baltimore, so you really have no basis by which to understand their intent or scope other than to assert that some nameless, faceless, liberty-sucking entity is harshing your mellow by not allowing gambling in some bar in Baltimore. Did it ever occur to you that the people of Baltimore might like it the way they have it? Don’t they get to have their voices heard? What about their liberty to enjoy their neighborhood free from the effects of gambling? You simply assume that since you don’t like a particular law that it must be an immoral infringement on your liberty, even though you are spectacularly unaffected by it.

  89. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’ll say it again – people in general are not the paragons of responsibility that you may be.

    Somebody hand me a paper towel so I can clean my keyboard

  90. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’ll say it again – people in general are not the paragons of responsibility that you may be.

    Somebody hand me a paper towel so I can clean my keyboard

  91. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Why ever for?

  92. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Why ever for?

  93. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    WB, I think your analogy is flawed, hence the applicability of the strawman designation.

    There’s a difference between a min-archist, who likes limited and responsible government that logically and honestly justifies the need for the laws they make, and the anarchists who dislike all government control. Only a small fraction of libertarians fall into the latter category.

    On an uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion alone, you’ve indicated support of gambling and other prohibitions while admitting your complete ignorance of the laws in question.
    You’ve not made any valid or specific argument in your support of gambling prohibitions, and other government intervention, and seem to tolerate the use of violence where it wasn’t necessary.

    Some folks just plain get their jollies from government telling others what to do. I’m beginning to think that you are one of them.

  94. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    WB, I think your analogy is flawed, hence the applicability of the strawman designation.
    There’s a difference between a min-archist, who likes limited and responsible government that logically and honestly justifies the need for the laws they make, and the anarchists who dislike all government control. Only a small fraction of libertarians fall into the latter category.
    On an uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion alone, you’ve indicated support of gambling and other prohibitions while admitting your complete ignorance of the laws in question.
    You’ve not made any valid or specific argument in your support of gambling prohibitions, and other government intervention, and seem to tolerate the use of violence where it wasn’t necessary.
    Some folks just plain get their jollies from government telling others what to do. I’m beginning to think that you are one of them.

  95. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Why ever for?

    Statements like this:

    Some folks just plain get their jollies from government telling others what to do. I’m beginning to think that you are one of them.

  96. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Why ever for?

    Statements like this:

    Some folks just plain get their jollies from government telling others what to do. I’m beginning to think that you are one of them.

  97. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    There’s a difference between a min-archist, who likes limited and responsible government that logically and honestly justifies the need for the laws they make, and the anarchists who dislike all government control. Only a small fraction of libertarians fall into the latter category.

    What evidence have you shown that the gambling laws in Baltimore are not logically and honestly justified?

    I’ll give you a big hint: none whatsoever. All you yourself has done is precisely what you are accusing me of – assuming the laws are illegitimate or not justified based on your worldview.

    On an uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion alone, you’ve indicated support of gambling and other prohibitions while admitting your complete ignorance of the laws in question.
    You’ve not made any valid or specific argument in your support of gambling prohibitions, and other government intervention, and seem to tolerate the use of violence where it wasn’t necessary.

    I’ve said what restrictions I would understand as being possibly reasonable. You have offered “on an uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion alone” your opinion of why the people of Baltimore are apparently incapable of determining how they want their neighborhood to be governed and have given absolutely no indication of any knowledge whatsoever of the gambling laws in Baltimore. You have made no argument beyond “because I have liberty and I should be able to do what I want to” in support of your opinion that the laws in Baltimore are unjustified. I made no other comment on the legal environment as it relates to gambling in the greater Baltimore area, other than to say that it’s up to the people who live there to decide how the community in which they live should be governed AND I never said I supported the use of violence, of which you have now accused me. Here’s what I said above exactly:

    I don’t know the specifics of the laws in Texas, much less Baltimore, but non-commercial gambling (e.g., friendly neighborhood poker games, bingo, etc.) should be legal. Running a gambling parlor in neighborhood bars should probably not be. Horse/dog/pig tracks should be allowed, so long as those who live nearby approve, ditto casinos.

    I have no idea why anyone would partake in online gambling; it would seem to be too easy to rig the games (as has been shown to have happened in several cases).

    My beef isn’t with gambling per se, but with people who infringe on the ability of others to freely associate without having to deal with the side effects of a gambling operation in their neighborhood.

    Now where did I say that the government should come in in a heavy-handed manner and suppress poor bob42’s liberty? Note, in particular, my use of the words probably and should; note also that I said it’s up to the people who live nearby.

    The more I think about it, the more heavy-handed you are. You are the one who is telling the local population that they must allow gambling since it’s your inalienable right to partake in gambling wherever and whenever you d@mn well please. Even if it happens to be in their (i.e., not yours) neighborhood, where they (not you) live.

  98. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    There’s a difference between a min-archist, who likes limited and responsible government that logically and honestly justifies the need for the laws they make, and the anarchists who dislike all government control. Only a small fraction of libertarians fall into the latter category.

    What evidence have you shown that the gambling laws in Baltimore are not logically and honestly justified?
    I’ll give you a big hint: none whatsoever. All you yourself has done is precisely what you are accusing me of – assuming the laws are illegitimate or not justified based on your worldview.

    On an uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion alone, you’ve indicated support of gambling and other prohibitions while admitting your complete ignorance of the laws in question.
    You’ve not made any valid or specific argument in your support of gambling prohibitions, and other government intervention, and seem to tolerate the use of violence where it wasn’t necessary.

    I’ve said what restrictions I would understand as being possibly reasonable. You have offered “on an uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion alone” your opinion of why the people of Baltimore are apparently incapable of determining how they want their neighborhood to be governed and have given absolutely no indication of any knowledge whatsoever of the gambling laws in Baltimore. You have made no argument beyond “because I have liberty and I should be able to do what I want to” in support of your opinion that the laws in Baltimore are unjustified. I made no other comment on the legal environment as it relates to gambling in the greater Baltimore area, other than to say that it’s up to the people who live there to decide how the community in which they live should be governed AND I never said I supported the use of violence, of which you have now accused me. Here’s what I said above exactly:

    I don’t know the specifics of the laws in Texas, much less Baltimore, but non-commercial gambling (e.g., friendly neighborhood poker games, bingo, etc.) should be legal. Running a gambling parlor in neighborhood bars should probably not be. Horse/dog/pig tracks should be allowed, so long as those who live nearby approve, ditto casinos.
    I have no idea why anyone would partake in online gambling; it would seem to be too easy to rig the games (as has been shown to have happened in several cases).
    My beef isn’t with gambling per se, but with people who infringe on the ability of others to freely associate without having to deal with the side effects of a gambling operation in their neighborhood.

    Now where did I say that the government should come in in a heavy-handed manner and suppress poor bob42’s liberty? Note, in particular, my use of the words probably and should; note also that I said it’s up to the people who live nearby.
    The more I think about it, the more heavy-handed you are. You are the one who is telling the local population that they must allow gambling since it’s your inalienable right to partake in gambling wherever and whenever you d@mn well please. Even if it happens to be in their (i.e., not yours) neighborhood, where they (not you) live.

  99. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #50 sarge

    Some folks just plain get their jollies from government telling others what to do. I’m beginning to think that you are one of them.

    While he doesn’t note the irony that he’s telling the fine people of Baltimore that they should govern themselves how he dictates simply because almighty bob says so.

  100. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #50 sarge

    Some folks just plain get their jollies from government telling others what to do. I’m beginning to think that you are one of them.

    While he doesn’t note the irony that he’s telling the fine people of Baltimore that they should govern themselves how he dictates simply because almighty bob says so.

  101. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    While he doesn’t note the irony that he’s telling the fine people of Baltimore that they should govern themselves how he dictates simply because almighty bob says so.

    Thats because the people who want to govern themselves that way are bad people.

  102. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    While he doesn’t note the irony that he’s telling the fine people of Baltimore that they should govern themselves how he dictates simply because almighty bob says so.

    Thats because the people who want to govern themselves that way are bad people.

  103. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    WB, I happen to think that it’s a better use of tax payer money to fight real crime than to harass and/or jail people who are doing no harm.

    What evidence have you shown that the gambling laws in Baltimore are not logically and honestly justified?

    I showed that as a direct result of those old laws, a heavily armed squad of police busted a small time private poker game in Baltimore, and that a Texas SWAT team violently shut down a VFW in Dallas.

    You’ve offered nothing but your own biased and ill informed opinions.

    You seem to have consistant knee-jerk support of laws that you know nothing about, that are demonstrably ineffective and violently counter productive. Why? If the laws are as necessary as you claim them to be, justify your case, or your just blowing hot air.

  104. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    WB, I happen to think that it’s a better use of tax payer money to fight real crime than to harass and/or jail people who are doing no harm.

    What evidence have you shown that the gambling laws in Baltimore are not logically and honestly justified?

    I showed that as a direct result of those old laws, a heavily armed squad of police busted a small time private poker game in Baltimore, and that a Texas SWAT team violently shut down a VFW in Dallas.
    You’ve offered nothing but your own biased and ill informed opinions.
    You seem to have consistant knee-jerk support of laws that you know nothing about, that are demonstrably ineffective and violently counter productive. Why? If the laws are as necessary as you claim them to be, justify your case, or your just blowing hot air.

  105. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    bob, you have not demonstrated that the laws are not necessary. You’ve only offered your opinion that because the police enforcing the laws made mistakes that the laws themselves are bad. One does not follow from the other; there is no causal effect unless you can show that the laws directly authorize and/or require heavy-handed tactics on the part of law enforcement, which you have not done.

    What you are saying is akin to saying laws against running red lights are not necessary because some dude got jacked up one night by a cop whose wife wasn’t giving him enough. One does not follow the other.

    What you have done is accuse me of doing exactly what you have been – opining about the necessity of certain laws without showing why they might or might not be necessary.

  106. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    bob, you have not demonstrated that the laws are not necessary. You’ve only offered your opinion that because the police enforcing the laws made mistakes that the laws themselves are bad. One does not follow from the other; there is no causal effect unless you can show that the laws directly authorize and/or require heavy-handed tactics on the part of law enforcement, which you have not done.
    What you are saying is akin to saying laws against running red lights are not necessary because some dude got jacked up one night by a cop whose wife wasn’t giving him enough. One does not follow the other.
    What you have done is accuse me of doing exactly what you have been – opining about the necessity of certain laws without showing why they might or might not be necessary.

  107. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Colorado Springs cops give God a good taserin’.

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Colorado Springs cops give God a good taserin’.

  109. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I think it’s time to talk about cats.

  110. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I think it’s time to talk about cats.

  111. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    After all this today, I think I am looking forward to my retreat this weekend. It starts tonight, and I was reeeeeelly going to focus on my work today. Alas, life has wreaked havoc on my plans, and I still have not even begun on my big project for the day. And since the retreat runs all weekend, I don’t think I’ll be even beginning to catch up any time soon….

    At least I’ll be closer to God. That’s always a good thing.
    I won’t have to skip over Bob’s posts, either. That’s also a good thing.

  112. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    After all this today, I think I am looking forward to my retreat this weekend. It starts tonight, and I was reeeeeelly going to focus on my work today. Alas, life has wreaked havoc on my plans, and I still have not even begun on my big project for the day. And since the retreat runs all weekend, I don’t think I’ll be even beginning to catch up any time soon….
    At least I’ll be closer to God. That’s always a good thing.
    I won’t have to skip over Bob’s posts, either. That’s also a good thing.

  113. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Ever notice the common denominator in all argumentos muerto de caballo?

  114. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Ever notice the common denominator in all argumentos muerto de caballo?

  115. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Get out of my yard stash! Ya pesky kid!

    What you are saying is akin to saying laws against running red lights are not necessary because some dude got jacked up one night by a cop whose wife wasn’t giving him enough. One does not follow the other.

    Nope. I have no problem with traffic tickets for dangerous behaviors (cameras are another issue.) I’ll also point out that SWAT teams are not deployed in their enforcement.

    Earlier today, I told you I had no problem with reasonable regulation/licensing of gambling establishments. So again, you’re painting your strawman arguments with a broad and misinformed brush. Seriously, you look foolish to me.

    There are indeed be ill effects associated with gambling. I just think that the knee jerk reaction of criminalizing ALL gambling as a result is short sighted, violent, costly, and doesn’t solve the problem.

    You’ve said absolutely nothing that supports your consistent arguments for a big and powerful government, especially on social conservative topics. The burden of proof that such laws are necessary and beneficial is on the government, and on YOU, sir.

    But since I’m such a nice guy (and even though my cat hates you) here’s just a few linkies you might find helpful on the off chance that you finally decide to do your homework and inform yourself.

  116. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Get out of my yard stash! Ya pesky kid!

    What you are saying is akin to saying laws against running red lights are not necessary because some dude got jacked up one night by a cop whose wife wasn’t giving him enough. One does not follow the other.

    Nope. I have no problem with traffic tickets for dangerous behaviors (cameras are another issue.) I’ll also point out that SWAT teams are not deployed in their enforcement.
    Earlier today, I told you I had no problem with reasonable regulation/licensing of gambling establishments. So again, you’re painting your strawman arguments with a broad and misinformed brush. Seriously, you look foolish to me.
    There are indeed be ill effects associated with gambling. I just think that the knee jerk reaction of criminalizing ALL gambling as a result is short sighted, violent, costly, and doesn’t solve the problem.
    You’ve said absolutely nothing that supports your consistent arguments for a big and powerful government, especially on social conservative topics. The burden of proof that such laws are necessary and beneficial is on the government, and on YOU, sir.
    But since I’m such a nice guy (and even though my cat hates you) here’s just a few linkies you might find helpful on the off chance that you finally decide to do your homework and inform yourself.

  117. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Let’s talk about ducks.

  118. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Let’s talk about ducks.

  119. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    #40. IWHarper69 has hit it big – she’s got a doll out on the market in her image!

    I bet she has the Cat Barbie, complete with its gay accessory Bruce, her cat lover pool boy!

  120. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    #40. IWHarper69 has hit it big – she’s got a doll out on the market in her image!
    I bet she has the Cat Barbie, complete with its gay accessory Bruce, her cat lover pool boy!

  121. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    SouthTrag sent me this link the other day. Cracked me up.

    /cat posting duty now fulfilled

  122. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    SouthTrag sent me this link the other day. Cracked me up.
    /cat posting duty now fulfilled

  123. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    Pintails, widgeons, mallards, teal, woodies, gadwalls?

  124. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Pintails, widgeons, mallards, teal, woodies, gadwalls?

  125. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    57 Shannon says:
    February 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    I think it’s time to talk about cats.

    Lets talk about this one.

    OR

    We could talk about dogs.

  126. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    57 Shannon says:
    February 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    I think it’s time to talk about cats.

    Lets talk about this one.
    OR
    We could talk about dogs.

  127. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #34 Texpat, Great links for following the tempest in Wisconsin. I think the country and especially DC are about to find out why it’s the Badger State. You don’t want to get crossways with a Scandinavian or German descendant who’s finally had more than enough….
    The hue and cry is out for the Democrat Senators.

  128. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #34 Texpat, Great links for following the tempest in Wisconsin. I think the country and especially DC are about to find out why it’s the Badger State. You don’t want to get crossways with a Scandinavian or German descendant who’s finally had more than enough….
    The hue and cry is out for the Democrat Senators.

  129. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    61 Hamous says:
    February 18, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Let’s talk about ducks.

    OK.

  130. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    61 Hamous says:
    February 18, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Let’s talk about ducks.

    OK.

  131. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    61
    A science fiction convention? Lordy, no.
    There’s a higher probability of finding me at a cat show.

  132. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    61
    A science fiction convention? Lordy, no.
    There’s a higher probability of finding me at a cat show.

  133. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    OK, let’s talk about ducks. 😉

  134. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    OK, let’s talk about ducks. 😉

  135. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    how about frogs or maybe Toads

  136. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    how about frogs or maybe Toads

  137. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’d be over on the Music thread but alas I’ve yet to figure out how to post YouTube vids from this iPhone. Go put some Bonnie Rait on there for me…something like her Love Me Like A Man. 🙂

  138. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’d be over on the Music thread but alas I’ve yet to figure out how to post YouTube vids from this iPhone. Go put some Bonnie Rait on there for me…something like her Love Me Like A Man. 🙂

  139. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Or Sci-Fi Ducks in the 24th and a half century. (That shouldn’t be too controversial.)

  140. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Or Sci-Fi Ducks in the 24th and a half century. (That shouldn’t be too controversial.)

  141. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #59 Hammy

    the common denominator

    Bob?

  142. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #59 Hammy

    the common denominator

    Bob?

  143. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    10 years ago today NASCAR lost a legend, he died doing what he loved, and he is still missed..

  144. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    10 years ago today NASCAR lost a legend, he died doing what he loved, and he is still missed..

  145. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    oops link to stories here

  146. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    oops link to stories here

  147. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #66 Adee

    Andrew Breitbart and Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit are heading to Madison for the Tea Party rally to support Gov. Walker at the Capitol tomorrow. Unions and Obama are having their own protest so this should get interesting.

  148. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #66 Adee
    Andrew Breitbart and Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit are heading to Madison for the Tea Party rally to support Gov. Walker at the Capitol tomorrow. Unions and Obama are having their own protest so this should get interesting.

  149. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #70 Bweldon

    how about frogs or maybe Toads

    You know, I’m just not comfortable discussing my early dating life….

  150. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #70 Bweldon

    how about frogs or maybe Toads

    You know, I’m just not comfortable discussing my early dating life….

  151. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #62 Larry666

    Yep, that’s me and my 7 cats.

  152. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #62 Larry666
    Yep, that’s me and my 7 cats.

  153. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oh, slightly funny note – I was watering my garden earlier and noticed one of my Bibb lettuce plants beginning to bolt. I pulled it up and found a pecan at the bottom of the root ball. I guess some squirrel is going to be out a snack, now that it’s part of my lettuce.

  154. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oh, slightly funny note – I was watering my garden earlier and noticed one of my Bibb lettuce plants beginning to bolt. I pulled it up and found a pecan at the bottom of the root ball. I guess some squirrel is going to be out a snack, now that it’s part of my lettuce.

  155. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Long live vindication! Or being vindictive! Or cats! Or vindictive cats! Yeah, that’s it!

  156. Dude42 Avatar
    Dude42

    Long live vindication! Or being vindictive! Or cats! Or vindictive cats! Yeah, that’s it!

  157. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

  158. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

  159. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #79 TT

    Bibb lettuce plants beginning to bolt.

    Bolt as in, run for its life?

  160. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #79 TT

    Bibb lettuce plants beginning to bolt.

    Bolt as in, run for its life?

  161. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    I was thinking she had found a way to thread vegetation. Doesn’t seem like that would be a very sturdy way to fasten something.

  162. Dude42 Avatar
    Dude42

    I was thinking she had found a way to thread vegetation. Doesn’t seem like that would be a very sturdy way to fasten something.

  163. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Yep, probably.

  164. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Yep, probably.

  165. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    As if we needed a sign that Gov. Walker is on the right side of things.

  166. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    As if we needed a sign that Gov. Walker is on the right side of things.

  167. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bolt –
    verb (used without object)
    22. to make a sudden, swift dash, run, flight, or escape; spring away suddenly: The rabbit bolted into its burrow.
    23. to break away, as from one’s political party.
    24. to eat hurriedly or without chewing.
    25. Horticulture . to produce flowers or seeds prematurely.

    Ah, I was 22, you are 25…

  168. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bolt –
    verb (used without object)
    22. to make a sudden, swift dash, run, flight, or escape; spring away suddenly: The rabbit bolted into its burrow.
    23. to break away, as from one’s political party.
    24. to eat hurriedly or without chewing.
    25. Horticulture . to produce flowers or seeds prematurely.
    Ah, I was 22, you are 25…

  169. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    House votes to defund Planned Parenthood.

    One idiot Dem Congressman sez it’s unconstitutional to so so because it is, in effect, a bill of attainder.

    “[An attainder is] a legislative enacted penalty, in this case no funding, directed at an identifiable person or organization to punish them for something. Article I Section 9 says ‘no bill of attainder or ex post facto should be passed.’ Fundamental foundation of constitutional law. If Planned Parenthood or anyone else is doing terrible things and ought to be punished, that’s up to the courts,” said the California congressman.

    🙄

  170. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    House votes to defund Planned Parenthood.
    One idiot Dem Congressman sez it’s unconstitutional to so so because it is, in effect, a bill of attainder.

    “[An attainder is] a legislative enacted penalty, in this case no funding, directed at an identifiable person or organization to punish them for something. Article I Section 9 says ‘no bill of attainder or ex post facto should be passed.’ Fundamental foundation of constitutional law. If Planned Parenthood or anyone else is doing terrible things and ought to be punished, that’s up to the courts,” said the California congressman.

    🙄

  171. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #86 mh42
    And yet another poor garden plant is slain by the crazy aunt.

  172. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #86 mh42
    And yet another poor garden plant is slain by the crazy aunt.

  173. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    HEY! It was not “slain”! It had reached the end of hits normal life cycle (or thereabouts). I merely took it for use before it became useless. I wouldn’t quite call it euthanasia. Let’s see, it would be possibly, hmmm….hmmm….ah, yes! A premature victim of Obamacare!

  174. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    HEY! It was not “slain”! It had reached the end of hits normal life cycle (or thereabouts). I merely took it for use before it became useless. I wouldn’t quite call it euthanasia. Let’s see, it would be possibly, hmmm….hmmm….ah, yes! A premature victim of Obamacare!

  175. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I can’t help it. I find smart, geeky, skeptical gals like Rebecca Watson attractive.

  176. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    I can’t help it. I find smart, geeky, skeptical gals like Rebecca Watson attractive.

  177. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #88 Pyro

    And yet another poor garden plant is slain by the crazy aunt.

    Actually, horticulturally, those competing definitions are a draw! A plant that produces flowers or seeds prematurely is doing that in response to imminent demise…

  178. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #88 Pyro

    And yet another poor garden plant is slain by the crazy aunt.

    Actually, horticulturally, those competing definitions are a draw! A plant that produces flowers or seeds prematurely is doing that in response to imminent demise…

  179. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #91 mh42

    A plant that produces flowers or seeds prematurely is doing that in response to imminent demise…

    If that’s the cause, then her seeds would bolt.

    Imminent demise is the default state of her vegetable plants.

  180. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #91 mh42

    A plant that produces flowers or seeds prematurely is doing that in response to imminent demise…

    If that’s the cause, then her seeds would bolt.
    Imminent demise is the default state of her vegetable plants.

  181. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I bolted once. But I took the washer and dryer with me.

  182. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I bolted once. But I took the washer and dryer with me.

  183. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    how about frogs or maybe Toads

  184. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    how about frogs or maybe Toads

  185. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Some Bonnie Raitt posted on the music thread

  186. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Some Bonnie Raitt posted on the music thread

  187. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I told her I’d rather go to a Sci-Fi convention with her cat duct-taped to my head than go to a washateria.

  188. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I told her I’d rather go to a Sci-Fi convention with her cat duct-taped to my head than go to a washateria.

  189. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    95
    Thanks!

  190. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    95
    Thanks!

  191. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I told her I’d rather go to a Sci-Fi convention with her cat duct-taped to my head than go to a washateria.

    Make sure to bring some gay beer in a clown suit in a bed shaped carton

  192. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I told her I’d rather go to a Sci-Fi convention with her cat duct-taped to my head than go to a washateria.

    Make sure to bring some gay beer in a clown suit in a bed shaped carton

  193. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I told her I’d rather go to a Sci-Fi convention with her cat duct-taped to my head than go to a washateria.

    Okay, trying to imagine this one…. 😀

  194. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I told her I’d rather go to a Sci-Fi convention with her cat duct-taped to my head than go to a washateria.

    Okay, trying to imagine this one…. 😀

  195. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #92 Pyro

    default state of her vegetable plants.

    That’s a bit harsh, she was eating home-gardened salads during the hard freezes this winter.

    While I was freezing my azz off until the furnace repairman finally got here, and found there was some tiny tube that was plugged up. First time I ever had central heat repairs done with a pipe cleaner. And by that I mean the little fuzzy stick.

  196. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #92 Pyro

    default state of her vegetable plants.

    That’s a bit harsh, she was eating home-gardened salads during the hard freezes this winter.
    While I was freezing my azz off until the furnace repairman finally got here, and found there was some tiny tube that was plugged up. First time I ever had central heat repairs done with a pipe cleaner. And by that I mean the little fuzzy stick.

  197. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #100 mh42
    Ask her about her “tomatoes”.

  198. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #100 mh42
    Ask her about her “tomatoes”.

  199. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #93 Shannon
    When you bolted with a washer & dryer — (was this a divorce?) — which type of bolt was it? A sudden swift dash? Or did you spring away suddenly?

    Hey, I just noticed I got #100! Tim will be so jealous.

  200. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #93 Shannon
    When you bolted with a washer & dryer — (was this a divorce?) — which type of bolt was it? A sudden swift dash? Or did you spring away suddenly?
    Hey, I just noticed I got #100! Tim will be so jealous.

  201. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I hate it when that happens.

  202. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    I hate it when that happens.

  203. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #76 Texpat, Ooohh that should be interesting. I’m betting on the Tea Party folks.
    😉

  204. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #76 Texpat, Ooohh that should be interesting. I’m betting on the Tea Party folks.
    😉

  205. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    102
    Yes. I wasn’t too successful at matrimony….until 23 years ago. 🙂

  206. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    102
    Yes. I wasn’t too successful at matrimony….until 23 years ago. 🙂

  207. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’m really beginning to like John Boehner.

    “The President of the United States has a unique opportunity and responsibility to lead this nation. President Obama has acknowledged the challenges we face, but – thus far – he has done nothing to offer solutions. Now, worse, his political organization is colluding with special-interest allies across the country to demagogue reform-minded governors who are making the tough choices that the President is avoiding.
    “This is not the way to begin an ‘adult conversation’ about solutions to the big challenges facing our country. Rather than inciting protests against those who speak honestly about the challenges we face, the President and his advisers should lead.
    “When the American people watched the people of Greece take to the streets to protest cuts to unsustainable government programs, they worried it might foreshadow events in our nation’s distant future – but today, we see the same sort of protests on the streets of Madison, fueled by President Obama’s own political machine.
    “Rather than trying to ‘win the future,’ the President’s political allies are trying, desperately, to cling to a failed past by fighting reforms our nation needs to liberate our economy from the shackles of debt and create a better future for our children and grandchildren. The President should make it clear to his friends that the people of Wisconsin, and states across America, can handle their own affairs without Washington special-interest money and meddling.

  208. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’m really beginning to like John Boehner.

    “The President of the United States has a unique opportunity and responsibility to lead this nation. President Obama has acknowledged the challenges we face, but – thus far – he has done nothing to offer solutions. Now, worse, his political organization is colluding with special-interest allies across the country to demagogue reform-minded governors who are making the tough choices that the President is avoiding.
    “This is not the way to begin an ‘adult conversation’ about solutions to the big challenges facing our country. Rather than inciting protests against those who speak honestly about the challenges we face, the President and his advisers should lead.
    “When the American people watched the people of Greece take to the streets to protest cuts to unsustainable government programs, they worried it might foreshadow events in our nation’s distant future – but today, we see the same sort of protests on the streets of Madison, fueled by President Obama’s own political machine.
    “Rather than trying to ‘win the future,’ the President’s political allies are trying, desperately, to cling to a failed past by fighting reforms our nation needs to liberate our economy from the shackles of debt and create a better future for our children and grandchildren. The President should make it clear to his friends that the people of Wisconsin, and states across America, can handle their own affairs without Washington special-interest money and meddling.

  209. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Not only do we have a President who is demagoguing the events in Wisconsin and refusing to deal seriously with the Federal budget, the Democrat Senators in Wisconsin are in hiding and prepared to remain so for ‘weeks’.

    When the going gets tough, the Democrats leave.

  210. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Not only do we have a President who is demagoguing the events in Wisconsin and refusing to deal seriously with the Federal budget, the Democrat Senators in Wisconsin are in hiding and prepared to remain so for ‘weeks’.
    When the going gets tough, the Democrats leave.

  211. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    When the going gets tough, the Democrats leave wiss in their pants.

    FIFY

  212. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    When the going gets tough, the Democrats leave wiss in their pants.

    FIFY

  213. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I guess we know who wants to shut down the government.

    Today Wisconsin!

    Tomorrow, the World!!!!!

  214. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I guess we know who wants to shut down the government.
    Today Wisconsin!
    Tomorrow, the World!!!!!

  215. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    JIm Hoft, of Gatewaypundit, has a new name for the fugitive Democratic senators who are now in the Chicago area.

    Flee-baggers !

  216. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    JIm Hoft, of Gatewaypundit, has a new name for the fugitive Democratic senators who are now in the Chicago area.
    Flee-baggers !

  217. HeadShaker Avatar
    HeadShaker

    Wow, some people just can’t move forward. And I thought we had made so much progress in the past year.

    Have a nice weekend everyone!

  218. HeadShaker Avatar
    HeadShaker

    Wow, some people just can’t move forward. And I thought we had made so much progress in the past year.
    Have a nice weekend everyone!

  219. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Man, you’re like kryptonite to blogs! 😉

  220. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Man, you’re like kryptonite to blogs! 😉

  221. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    I tried to keep ’em in line for ya, HeadShaker. But you know how these usual suspects can be.

  222. Dude42 Avatar
    Dude42

    I tried to keep ’em in line for ya, HeadShaker. But you know how these usual suspects can be.

  223. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob #24;

    Older laws prohibiting gambling were supported by the same kinds social conservative mesonoxian busy bodies that were behind alcohol prohibition.

    I’ll snip out sounbites for you:

    Hostility to saloons and their political influence was characteristic of the Progressive Era.

    And

    The Progressives claimed to be humanitarians whose stated goal was to better the lives of the common people, one of their most significant acts being passage of the Eighteenth Amendment, which ushered in the era of Prohibition.

    The Progressive Era was hardly compatible with social conservatism. How many social conservatives do you know supports banning alcohol or tobacco? You may include social conservatives online as well as in your personal life.

    On “your side” (anti-social conservativism) we do have:

    On March 23, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt signed into law an amendment to the Volstead Act known as the Cullen-Harrison bill allowing the manufacture and sale of “3.2 beer” (3.2 percent alcohol by weight) and light wines.[4] The Eighteenth Amendment was repealed later in 1933 with ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment on December 5.

    We also have some folks who were socially conservative as far as I know who did support Prohibition:

    The Ku Klux Klan strongly supported Prohibition and its strict enforcement [2].
    In the 1890s, Carrie Nation of the Woman’s Christian Temperance Union fought for prohibition by walking into saloons, scolding customers, and using her hatchet to destroy bottles of liquor. Other activists enforced the cause by entering saloons, singing, praying, and urging saloon keepers to stop selling alcohol [3].
    The first beer legally sold in the United States after Prohibition was Utica Club of the F.X. Matt’s Brewery in Utica, New York [4].
    Despite the efforts of Heber J. Grant and the LDS Church, a Utah convention helped ratify the 21st Amendment [6] While Utah can be considered the deciding 36th state to ratify the 21st Amendment and make it law, the day Utah passed the Amendment both Pennsylvania and Ohio passed it as well. All 38 states that decided to hold conventions passed the Amendment, while only 36 states were needed (three fourths of the 48 that existed). So, even if Utah hadn’t passed it, it would have become law.

    Now, I will argue that the KKK is NOT social conservatism any more than is the Muslim Brotherhood. The KKK is about surpresssion and dominance, nothing more. Beyond the LDS affiliation, I don’t know about any religious person or religious organization supporting Prohibition. Do note that LDS Church did NOT support it as a body from my understanding. In fact I do recall there being a split within the leadership between those who supported it ad those who opposed it. Heber J. Grant did support Prohibition and was very influencial in garnering support for it.

    What astaounds me, bob, is your complete lack of acknowledgement that non-social-conservatives had anything to do with Prohibition and today’s drug prohibition. Those on the Left today would support legalizing drugs just so they can tax them but even there is stiff resistence from the Left to legalize drugs.

    As for gambling, what’s wrong with passing laws within a state to regulate it and even prohibit it? Even proohibited you can always get together with sdome friends, throw some chips in the pile and have at it. Not even evil-eyed social-cons would care much if you do. That is, as long as your activities do not affect theirs.

  224. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob #24;

    Older laws prohibiting gambling were supported by the same kinds social conservative mesonoxian busy bodies that were behind alcohol prohibition.

    I’ll snip out sounbites for you:

    Hostility to saloons and their political influence was characteristic of the Progressive Era.

    And

    The Progressives claimed to be humanitarians whose stated goal was to better the lives of the common people, one of their most significant acts being passage of the Eighteenth Amendment, which ushered in the era of Prohibition.

    The Progressive Era was hardly compatible with social conservatism. How many social conservatives do you know supports banning alcohol or tobacco? You may include social conservatives online as well as in your personal life.
    On “your side” (anti-social conservativism) we do have:

    On March 23, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt signed into law an amendment to the Volstead Act known as the Cullen-Harrison bill allowing the manufacture and sale of “3.2 beer” (3.2 percent alcohol by weight) and light wines.[4] The Eighteenth Amendment was repealed later in 1933 with ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment on December 5.

    We also have some folks who were socially conservative as far as I know who did support Prohibition:

    The Ku Klux Klan strongly supported Prohibition and its strict enforcement [2].
    In the 1890s, Carrie Nation of the Woman’s Christian Temperance Union fought for prohibition by walking into saloons, scolding customers, and using her hatchet to destroy bottles of liquor. Other activists enforced the cause by entering saloons, singing, praying, and urging saloon keepers to stop selling alcohol [3].
    The first beer legally sold in the United States after Prohibition was Utica Club of the F.X. Matt’s Brewery in Utica, New York [4].
    Despite the efforts of Heber J. Grant and the LDS Church, a Utah convention helped ratify the 21st Amendment [6] While Utah can be considered the deciding 36th state to ratify the 21st Amendment and make it law, the day Utah passed the Amendment both Pennsylvania and Ohio passed it as well. All 38 states that decided to hold conventions passed the Amendment, while only 36 states were needed (three fourths of the 48 that existed). So, even if Utah hadn’t passed it, it would have become law.

    Now, I will argue that the KKK is NOT social conservatism any more than is the Muslim Brotherhood. The KKK is about surpresssion and dominance, nothing more. Beyond the LDS affiliation, I don’t know about any religious person or religious organization supporting Prohibition. Do note that LDS Church did NOT support it as a body from my understanding. In fact I do recall there being a split within the leadership between those who supported it ad those who opposed it. Heber J. Grant did support Prohibition and was very influencial in garnering support for it.
    What astaounds me, bob, is your complete lack of acknowledgement that non-social-conservatives had anything to do with Prohibition and today’s drug prohibition. Those on the Left today would support legalizing drugs just so they can tax them but even there is stiff resistence from the Left to legalize drugs.
    As for gambling, what’s wrong with passing laws within a state to regulate it and even prohibit it? Even proohibited you can always get together with sdome friends, throw some chips in the pile and have at it. Not even evil-eyed social-cons would care much if you do. That is, as long as your activities do not affect theirs.

  225. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Link to my #114;

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070328104006AAJGr2Z

  226. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Link to my #114;
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070328104006AAJGr2Z

  227. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    argumentos muerto de caballo

    “argumentos de caballo muerto”

    ¡De nada!

  228. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    argumentos muerto de caballo

    “argumentos de caballo muerto”
    ¡De nada!

  229. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Headshaker, Kryptonite.
    Heh heh heh

  230. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Headshaker, Kryptonite.
    Heh heh heh

  231. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    And here I thought Headshaker was Superman. 🙁

  232. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    And here I thought Headshaker was Superman. 🙁

  233. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Memo to self: When going to visit mom42 at the nursing home, always remember to ponytail the hair.

    On my way out, one of the staff mentioned that a couple of the old ladies in the dining room mistook me for Jesus.

  234. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Memo to self: When going to visit mom42 at the nursing home, always remember to ponytail the hair.
    On my way out, one of the staff mentioned that a couple of the old ladies in the dining room mistook me for Jesus.

  235. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #112

    Maybe I can defuse the kryptonite with Drudge’s link to the hummingbird spybot:

    http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-robot-hummingbird-flight-video.html

    The video doesn’t have many closeups but when you see the flying shape outlined against the building the motion does look fairly convincing. Wonder why they chose the hummingbird as a model since I can’t think of any other birds that hover that way — and they admitted that most places you’d want to spy on don’t have any hummingbirds.

  236. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #112
    Maybe I can defuse the kryptonite with Drudge’s link to the hummingbird spybot:
    http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-robot-hummingbird-flight-video.html
    The video doesn’t have many closeups but when you see the flying shape outlined against the building the motion does look fairly convincing. Wonder why they chose the hummingbird as a model since I can’t think of any other birds that hover that way — and they admitted that most places you’d want to spy on don’t have any hummingbirds.

  237. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Well ole Dave is checking in from the old farm house in Alabama, left Houston @ 6 AM and rolled into the yard about 4 PM. It was about 73 when I got here but it was a little chilly in the house so I put some stove-wood in the wood heater and dang it’s getting warm, I had to close down the dampers to slow it down.

  238. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well ole Dave is checking in from the old farm house in Alabama, left Houston @ 6 AM and rolled into the yard about 4 PM. It was about 73 when I got here but it was a little chilly in the house so I put some stove-wood in the wood heater and dang it’s getting warm, I had to close down the dampers to slow it down.

  239. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    On my way out, one of the staff mentioned that a couple of the old ladies in the dining room mistook me for Jesus.

    Have her read your posts here. That’ll straighten her up real quick. 😉

  240. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    On my way out, one of the staff mentioned that a couple of the old ladies in the dining room mistook me for Jesus.

    Have her read your posts here. That’ll straighten her up real quick. 😉

  241. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    “headshaker was Superman”
    Bobby mistaken for Jesus.

    I give in (up?).
    Plz pass the bong.

  242. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    “headshaker was Superman”
    Bobby mistaken for Jesus.
    I give in (up?).
    Plz pass the bong.

  243. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Or how about this Drudge headline:

    Dem Rep: ‘Obamacare’ is a ‘disparaging’ term…

    You’re DAYAAM right it is a disparaging term!

  244. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Or how about this Drudge headline:

    Dem Rep: ‘Obamacare’ is a ‘disparaging’ term…

    You’re DAYAAM right it is a disparaging term!

  245. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I just did a little research. Looks like there was initial division amongst LDS leadership regarding Prohibition but later morphed into a unified effort to support it. This especially came true after a “local option” was passed wgich allowed local communities to vote yea or nea regarding Prohibition. This happened around 1917. Chursh leaders did encourage its memebers to vote against repeal but, as noted above, the voters voted for repeal of the 18th Amendment. I’ve no idea if this had any official “church” position or simply what all the leaders deamed as good.

    Chalk these folks up in the social conservative camp against bob.

  246. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I just did a little research. Looks like there was initial division amongst LDS leadership regarding Prohibition but later morphed into a unified effort to support it. This especially came true after a “local option” was passed wgich allowed local communities to vote yea or nea regarding Prohibition. This happened around 1917. Chursh leaders did encourage its memebers to vote against repeal but, as noted above, the voters voted for repeal of the 18th Amendment. I’ve no idea if this had any official “church” position or simply what all the leaders deamed as good.
    Chalk these folks up in the social conservative camp against bob.

  247. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon;

    I give in (up?).
    Plz pass the bong.

    Sounds like you’re already living in a bong.

  248. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon;

    I give in (up?).
    Plz pass the bong.

    Sounds like you’re already living in a bong.

  249. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Saw most of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s press conference this evenning on FNC. He has cojones and took care of business without hesitation. The media types were pretty much put in their place pronto. Bet if he and Obama ever go face to face, Obama will blink fast and start nonsense rambling when he has no TOTUS. Even with TOTUS he would be rattled.

  250. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Saw most of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s press conference this evenning on FNC. He has cojones and took care of business without hesitation. The media types were pretty much put in their place pronto. Bet if he and Obama ever go face to face, Obama will blink fast and start nonsense rambling when he has no TOTUS. Even with TOTUS he would be rattled.

  251. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    Dunno about kryptonite, but Headcase’s reaction to butter is pretty much out of this world. The horror….

  252. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    Dunno about kryptonite, but Headcase’s reaction to butter is pretty much out of this world. The horror….

  253. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I see the kryptonite exerted its evil influence overnight…

    Wake up, Hamsters!

  254. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I see the kryptonite exerted its evil influence overnight…
    Wake up, Hamsters!

  255. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    If you haven’t seen it yet, check out the striker’s photo Drudge is running over the headline
    “PELOSI BACKS PROTESTERS: ‘I STAND IN SOLIDARITY’… ”

    If that shrieking woman is a teacher, I’d hate to be in her class. She looks like she should have a reptilian tongue coming out of that gaping mouth.

  256. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    If you haven’t seen it yet, check out the striker’s photo Drudge is running over the headline
    “PELOSI BACKS PROTESTERS: ‘I STAND IN SOLIDARITY’… ”
    If that shrieking woman is a teacher, I’d hate to be in her class. She looks like she should have a reptilian tongue coming out of that gaping mouth.

  257. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Mharper42, Actually Nancy Pelosi is one of the alien Visitors featured in the tv series. Y’all know San Francisco is a hotbed of strange things/people, so why should it not be Area 51.5? 🙂

    Good morning all Hamsters. Another misty start to the day but not foggy, overcast with a decidedly grayish tint, 62 at 6 and not inclined to warm up very fast. Have to water the flowerbeds since rain is not in the forecast today.

    Hold the fort good folk of Wisconsin. Right on Scott Walker.

  258. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Mharper42, Actually Nancy Pelosi is one of the alien Visitors featured in the tv series. Y’all know San Francisco is a hotbed of strange things/people, so why should it not be Area 51.5? 🙂
    Good morning all Hamsters. Another misty start to the day but not foggy, overcast with a decidedly grayish tint, 62 at 6 and not inclined to warm up very fast. Have to water the flowerbeds since rain is not in the forecast today.
    Hold the fort good folk of Wisconsin. Right on Scott Walker.

  259. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #131 Adee

    Drudge once ran a photo of Pelosi soon after she bacame “Madam Speaker”. It was a nutty shot that showed her making the O-K sign with her hand, and in the center of the thumb-to-forefinger circle was one of her eyes. The hand was a bit blurred but the eye was totally in focus. It was a freakish unflattering shot.

    It didn’t stay up long and I still regret not saving it while I could. When I tried to find it a few days later, it had disappeared from the archives.

  260. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #131 Adee
    Drudge once ran a photo of Pelosi soon after she bacame “Madam Speaker”. It was a nutty shot that showed her making the O-K sign with her hand, and in the center of the thumb-to-forefinger circle was one of her eyes. The hand was a bit blurred but the eye was totally in focus. It was a freakish unflattering shot.
    It didn’t stay up long and I still regret not saving it while I could. When I tried to find it a few days later, it had disappeared from the archives.

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