Tuesday Open Comments

Although it’s easy to point to record snowstorms as proof the warmmongers are crazy, it’s not really scientifically sound. Still, as anecdotal evidence piles up like a New Jersey snowdrift, it’s fun to do:

Sounds crazy, but as the Potsdam Institute of Climate Research announced last Tuesday, man-made global warming could cause “polar winds to make their way to Europe and North Asia, whereby the probability of cold winters triples.”

MMGW makes for colder winters.

That very day a Professor Stephan Rahmstorf released a report saying climate change means “we have to anticipate milder winters rather than cold ones,” and that even our “cold” winters have gotten “warmer.”

MMGW makes for warmer winters. Two “scientists” from the same institute – two opposite predictions. Don’t they know that we learned the “heads I win, tail you lose” ruse in second grade?

For three years in a row, global warming models have predicted – erroneously – that Europe would have warm, snow-free winters. Meanwhile climatologist Piers Corbyn warned London of a white Christmas weeks ago. His models have been far more accurate than the UN-approved “science,” but he’s ignored.

Why? Because Corbyn’s research shows the sun has far more to do with climate patterns than your Prius does. Unfortunately, there’s no money to be made at places like the Potsdam Institute studying things like the sun. No legislature can regulate excessive solar output, and there are no jobs to hand out at the Department of Sunshine Control.


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  1. meglettx Avatar

    It should be renamed:

    Man Made Global Wealth Redistribution

    Anthropologic Global Wealth Transfer

    It’s just a giant scam perpetrated by second rate governments, tyrants and would-be tyrants(think Al gore) and turd world countries and glommed onto by idiot enviro whack jobs.

    Next topic please.

  2. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    It should be renamed:

    Man Made Global Wealth Redistribution

    Anthropologic Global Wealth Transfer

    It’s just a giant scam perpetrated by second rate governments, tyrants and would-be tyrants(think Al gore) and turd world countries and glommed onto by idiot enviro whack jobs.

    Next topic please.

  3. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Top scientists around the world, in overwhelming numbers, are pointing out that the TRUE sequence of cause and effect is that increases in the concentration of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere are CAUSED by every NORMAL and REGULARLY RECURRING increase in the temperature of Earth’s oceans, which release dissolved CO2 when they warm up.

    The CAUSE of the increase in ocean temperature is, they point out, primarily increases in solar heat output from the Sun. The Sun, they demonstrate, goes through cycles of increasing and decreasing heat output. These increases and decreases warm and cool our entire solar system. And, of course, the Sun’s normal heat output fluctuations are IN NO WAY caused by CO2 production by humans, cows, earthworms, crustaceans, factories, or Fords.

    9 minute debate of Al Gore vs Science

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU

  4. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Top scientists around the world, in overwhelming numbers, are pointing out that the TRUE sequence of cause and effect is that increases in the concentration of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere are CAUSED by every NORMAL and REGULARLY RECURRING increase in the temperature of Earth’s oceans, which release dissolved CO2 when they warm up.

    The CAUSE of the increase in ocean temperature is, they point out, primarily increases in solar heat output from the Sun. The Sun, they demonstrate, goes through cycles of increasing and decreasing heat output. These increases and decreases warm and cool our entire solar system. And, of course, the Sun’s normal heat output fluctuations are IN NO WAY caused by CO2 production by humans, cows, earthworms, crustaceans, factories, or Fords.

    9 minute debate of Al Gore vs Science

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU

  5. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    President Obama vowed to fight next year for the passage of the just-rejected bill that gives U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal aliens. They must attend two years of college or serve in the U.S. military. He’s going to drop the name “Dream Act” to steer away from the negative publicity. The new name of the bill is:

    No Juan Left Behind.

  6. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    President Obama vowed to fight next year for the passage of the just-rejected bill that gives U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal aliens. They must attend two years of college or serve in the U.S. military. He’s going to drop the name “Dream Act” to steer away from the negative publicity. The new name of the bill is:

    No Juan Left Behind.

  7. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Intelligence Director Jim Clapper didn’t know what happened in London because he was too busy working on more important things.

    He had to finish up his report calling for gays to serve openly in the intelligence services.

  8. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Intelligence Director Jim Clapper didn’t know what happened in London because he was too busy working on more important things.

    He had to finish up his report calling for gays to serve openly in the intelligence services.

  9. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Certainly New Orleans will be hit with a cat 5 storm next year.

    The new ordinances are supported by judges, prosecutors, and police as a means of reducing arrests, with the goal of saving the city money, while freeing up officers to focus on apprehending violent criminals.

  10. bob42 Avatar

    Certainly New Orleans will be hit with a cat 5 storm next year.

    The new ordinances are supported by judges, prosecutors, and police as a means of reducing arrests, with the goal of saving the city money, while freeing up officers to focus on apprehending violent criminals.

  11. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Well;
    Actually, it seems that Joe Straus wasn’t actually elected unanimously after all.

    Recent races for House speaker have worked themselves out before the Legislature actually convened. Republican Tom Craddick secured the votes to beat Democrat Pete Laney quickly after the 2002 elections, and when the Legislature convened a couple of months later, every member of the House but one cast an official, public vote for Craddick. Two years ago, Straus gathered the support to topple Craddick about 10 days before the session began, ending a prolonged, bitter battle over Craddick’s leadership. But when the Legislature convened for a formal vote, he was elected by acclamation, meaning there actually was no record vote of who supported him and who didn’t.

    Being elected by acclamation isn’t the same as being elected unanimously.

    It would seem, then, that by this measure, Tom Craddick is more qualified to be Speaker.

    Others have said that Tom Paxton should not be Speaker because he is untested and a “lightweight”.

    But in this story from 2009, we find:

    This January, with the Republican House majority trimmed to 76-74, Craddick looked more vulnerable than ever. But there still wasn’t a consensus candidate. At a New Year’s meeting, six would-be speakers pleaded their case, but none proved acceptable to the whole group.

    That’s when they turned to Straus, a moderate who hadn’t been seeking the position. Given his record, Democrats made it clear they, too, would be willing to support him, and Straus, 49 years old and with two years of political experience compared with Craddick’s four decades, was elected by acclamation. “Anybody in charge of this was going to have to have very tight control of the Republican Party and shut the Dems out,” says Ross Ramsey, editor of Texas Weekly, “or moderate a bit and run it from the middle.” It was the middle strategy that won out.

    He had only been in the Lege for two years and at the time he was sold as a moderate, now he’s being touted as a “proven Conservative”.

    Tom Paxton has been serving the citizens of McKinney for 4 terms. By that measure, he’s more qualified than Straus is.

  12. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. A pleasant 54 at 6 with enough humidity to inflate dry skin and noses. No moisture fell over night, so we wait for mist or drizzle to appear some time today out of the overcast. Spouse observed that had the cold front come faster Christmas Eve, we would have joined southern states to the east in having a white Christmas. Darn, missed a good chance.

    The pictures from the traveler’s nightmare out East make me so glad I’m here. In my college days I experienced knee-deep snow and walking home 5 miles or so when even the city buses couldn’t go and snow plows barely could. Texpat seems to be a winner in the most snow dumped on my area contest. Wow. When it melts….

  13. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. A pleasant 54 at 6 with enough humidity to inflate dry skin and noses. No moisture fell over night, so we wait for mist or drizzle to appear some time today out of the overcast. Spouse observed that had the cold front come faster Christmas Eve, we would have joined southern states to the east in having a white Christmas. Darn, missed a good chance.

    The pictures from the traveler’s nightmare out East make me so glad I’m here. In my college days I experienced knee-deep snow and walking home 5 miles or so when even the city buses couldn’t go and snow plows barely could. Texpat seems to be a winner in the most snow dumped on my area contest. Wow. When it melts….

  14. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    From the department of “your tax dollars at work” comes this: The federal Drug Enforcement Agency operates 87 offices in 63 countries.

    Do our politicians really want to cut federal spending, or do they just like to talk about doing it?

  15. bob42 Avatar

    From the department of “your tax dollars at work” comes this: The federal Drug Enforcement Agency operates 87 offices in 63 countries.

    Do our politicians really want to cut federal spending, or do they just like to talk about doing it?

  16. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    11 bob42 says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:57 am
    From the department of “your tax dollars at work” comes this: The federal Drug Enforcement Agency operates 87 offices in 63 countries.

    Do our politicians really want to cut federal spending, or do they just like to talk about doing it?

    If the money is spent to keep people loaded with mind altering drugs from operating machinery and vehicles while other citizens are sharing that space with them, then we don’t want it cut.

    You, apparently, think that keeping drugs out of the reach of those people only affects thier right to get mind numbingly blasted, and nobody else’s right is affected at all.

  17. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    11 bob42 says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:57 am
    From the department of “your tax dollars at work” comes this: The federal Drug Enforcement Agency operates 87 offices in 63 countries.

    Do our politicians really want to cut federal spending, or do they just like to talk about doing it?

    If the money is spent to keep people loaded with mind altering drugs from operating machinery and vehicles while other citizens are sharing that space with them, then we don’t want it cut.

    You, apparently, think that keeping drugs out of the reach of those people only affects thier right to get mind numbingly blasted, and nobody else’s right is affected at all.

  18. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Pokes head out of bunker. 🙂
    speaking of drug addled equipment operators (language warning)
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amateur-videographer-rolls-as-sanitation-workers-destroy-a-ford-explorer-in-ny/

  19. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Pokes head out of bunker. 🙂
    speaking of drug addled equipment operators (language warning)
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amateur-videographer-rolls-as-sanitation-workers-destroy-a-ford-explorer-in-ny/

  20. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    In every year since it’s inception in 1973, the DEA’s budget and headcount has been increased, while at the same time any person who desired to obtain them continued to do so.

    A true fiscal conservative would have long ago started asking, “where’s the benefit from this redundant federal bureaucracy?” True social conservatives avoid the facts, stick their heads in the sand, and feel good about wasting money and empowering government authoritah.

    Which are you?

  21. bob42 Avatar

    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    In every year since it’s inception in 1973, the DEA’s budget and headcount has been increased, while at the same time any person who desired to obtain them continued to do so.

    A true fiscal conservative would have long ago started asking, “where’s the benefit from this redundant federal bureaucracy?” True social conservatives avoid the facts, stick their heads in the sand, and feel good about wasting money and empowering government authoritah.

    Which are you?

  22. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    If you paid $5400 on your 2009 taxes here’s how your money was spent:

    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03
    Combat Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan $229.17
    Military Personnel $192.79
    Veteran’s Benefits $74.65
    Federal Highways $63.89
    Health care research (NIH) $46.54
    Foreign Aid $46.08
    Education Funding for Low Income K-12 Students $38.17
    Military Retirement Benefits $32.60
    Pell Grants for Low Income College Students $29.75
    NASA Space Program $28.09
    Internal Revenue Service $17.69
    Environmental Clean Up (EPA) $11.67
    The FBI $11.21
    Head Start $10.91
    Public Housing $10.50
    National Parks $ 4.27
    Drug Enforcement Agency $3.14
    Amtrak $2.23
    Smithsonian Museum $1.12
    Funding for the Arts $0.24
    Salaries and benefits for members of Congress $0.19

    Do our stoners really want to cut federal spending or do they just want to get high legally?

  23. Hamous Avatar

    If you paid $5400 on your 2009 taxes here’s how your money was spent:

    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03
    Combat Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan $229.17
    Military Personnel $192.79
    Veteran’s Benefits $74.65
    Federal Highways $63.89
    Health care research (NIH) $46.54
    Foreign Aid $46.08
    Education Funding for Low Income K-12 Students $38.17
    Military Retirement Benefits $32.60
    Pell Grants for Low Income College Students $29.75
    NASA Space Program $28.09
    Internal Revenue Service $17.69
    Environmental Clean Up (EPA) $11.67
    The FBI $11.21
    Head Start $10.91
    Public Housing $10.50
    National Parks $ 4.27
    Drug Enforcement Agency $3.14
    Amtrak $2.23
    Smithsonian Museum $1.12
    Funding for the Arts $0.24
    Salaries and benefits for members of Congress $0.19

    Do our stoners really want to cut federal spending or do they just want to get high legally?

  24. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #14 Bob:

    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    Do you have any substantive evidence to support your notion that our drug problem would not be far worse if we were not actively limiting access?
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    Didn’t think so……

  25. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #14 Bob:

    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    Do you have any substantive evidence to support your notion that our drug problem would not be far worse if we were not actively limiting access?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Didn’t think so……

  26. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #3, #4, #5 OTL

    Sir, you are in FINE FORM this morning! 😀

  27. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #3, #4, #5 OTL

    Sir, you are in FINE FORM this morning! 😀

  28. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #15 Hamous

    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03
    Combat Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan $229.17
    Military Personnel $192.79
    Veteran’s Benefits $74.65
    Federal Highways $63.89
    Health care research (NIH) $46.54
    Foreign Aid $46.08
    Education Funding for Low Income K-12 Students $38.17
    Military Retirement Benefits $32.60
    Pell Grants for Low Income College Students $29.75
    NASA Space Program $28.09
    Internal Revenue Service $17.69
    Environmental Clean Up (EPA) $11.67
    The FBI $11.21
    Head Start $10.91
    Public Housing $10.50
    National Parks $ 4.27
    Drug Enforcement Agency $3.14
    Amtrak $2.23
    Smithsonian Museum $1.12
    Funding for the Arts $0.24
    Salaries and benefits for members of Congress $0.19

    There. I’ve just saved 10% of our budget. And, I didn’t even break a sweat!

  29. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #15 Hamous

    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03
    Combat Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan $229.17
    Military Personnel $192.79
    Veteran’s Benefits $74.65
    Federal Highways $63.89
    Health care research (NIH) $46.54
    Foreign Aid $46.08
    Education Funding for Low Income K-12 Students $38.17
    Military Retirement Benefits $32.60
    Pell Grants for Low Income College Students $29.75
    NASA Space Program $28.09
    Internal Revenue Service $17.69
    Environmental Clean Up (EPA) $11.67
    The FBI $11.21
    Head Start $10.91
    Public Housing $10.50
    National Parks $ 4.27
    Drug Enforcement Agency $3.14
    Amtrak $2.23
    Smithsonian Museum $1.12
    Funding for the Arts $0.24
    Salaries and benefits for members of Congress $0.19

    There. I’ve just saved 10% of our budget. And, I didn’t even break a sweat!

  30. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    14 bob42 says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:23 am
    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    A better question is this:

    Drunk driving is caused when citizens ingest a legally obtainable mind altering substance, and then undertake to drive illegally impaired on the roads where other citizens drive.

    In 2006 there were 13,470 highway deaths directly attributable to drunk driving.

    Can you guarantee that with the addition of other legally obtainable mind altering substances, that this numb er will remain the same or go down?

    I would submit that any reasonably prudent or even marginally educated individual would be safe in positing that the number would go up.

    Which would mean that the government has failed in one of its Constitutionally mandated responsibilities to maintain roads safe for transport of postage, as well as roads that promote commerce between the several states.

    Of course, your next argument is going to be that since they are failing to do that now to a certain degree, we might as well let them fail at it more spectacularly in the name of Liberty.

  31. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    14 bob42 says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:23 am
    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    A better question is this:

    Drunk driving is caused when citizens ingest a legally obtainable mind altering substance, and then undertake to drive illegally impaired on the roads where other citizens drive.

    In 2006 there were 13,470 highway deaths directly attributable to drunk driving.

    Can you guarantee that with the addition of other legally obtainable mind altering substances, that this numb er will remain the same or go down?

    I would submit that any reasonably prudent or even marginally educated individual would be safe in positing that the number would go up.

    Which would mean that the government has failed in one of its Constitutionally mandated responsibilities to maintain roads safe for transport of postage, as well as roads that promote commerce between the several states.

    Of course, your next argument is going to be that since they are failing to do that now to a certain degree, we might as well let them fail at it more spectacularly in the name of Liberty.

  32. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    HERE’S one.

    So when her supply runs out, she drives an hour from her Gloucester County home to Philadelphia, and walks the streets to buy pot, leaning on her cane. It scares her to death, but it’s better than spending her remaining years curled up in bed, in pain…

    The medical marijuana movement aims to end this official cruelty, and allow people like Segal to live in dignity. That was the idea, anyway, when the Legislature passed the law last year. It was supposed to be up and running by now.

    But thanks to Gov. Chris Christie, this effort has gone terribly off track. So Segal still has to sneak to Philly for her fix, like a criminal.

  33. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    HERE’S one.

    So when her supply runs out, she drives an hour from her Gloucester County home to Philadelphia, and walks the streets to buy pot, leaning on her cane. It scares her to death, but it’s better than spending her remaining years curled up in bed, in pain…

    The medical marijuana movement aims to end this official cruelty, and allow people like Segal to live in dignity. That was the idea, anyway, when the Legislature passed the law last year. It was supposed to be up and running by now.

    But thanks to Gov. Chris Christie, this effort has gone terribly off track. So Segal still has to sneak to Philly for her fix, like a criminal.

  34. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #15 Hambivalent, nice try.

    The 2010 budget for the DEA was $1.2 Billion taxpayer dollars. And that does not include the budget for the ONDCP, the several other federal agencies involved with your war on drugs, nor does it include the two billion spent annually on incarcerating people, or the judicial proceedings that cage them.

    Thanks. You’ve proven my point that social conservative authoritarians ignore facts. Your argument above is completely lame. If you want to make a rational argument in favor of your war on drugs, I’m all ears.

    Perhaps you could start by showing how it has been beneficial, or cost effective. Perhaps you could explain why it is the best solution to the problem.

    I don’t think you can. I don’t even think you want to.

  35. bob42 Avatar

    #15 Hambivalent, nice try.

    The 2010 budget for the DEA was $1.2 Billion taxpayer dollars. And that does not include the budget for the ONDCP, the several other federal agencies involved with your war on drugs, nor does it include the two billion spent annually on incarcerating people, or the judicial proceedings that cage them.

    Thanks. You’ve proven my point that social conservative authoritarians ignore facts. Your argument above is completely lame. If you want to make a rational argument in favor of your war on drugs, I’m all ears.

    Perhaps you could start by showing how it has been beneficial, or cost effective. Perhaps you could explain why it is the best solution to the problem.

    I don’t think you can. I don’t even think you want to.

  36. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob #14;

    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    See my #19.

  37. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob #14;

    #12 Sarge, have you any evidence to support your notion that the drug war has been effective in its goal of limiting access to dangerous substances?

    See my #19.

  38. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #18 Good work, Al!

  39. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #18 Good work, Al!

  40. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #16 FA, yes I have plenty.

    Do you have any substantive evidence to support your notion that our drug problem would not be far worse if we were not actively limiting access?

    If drugs were legalized tomorrow, would you try them? If you say “no” then you are in agreement with over 99% of the population.

    Alcohol prohibition didn’t work. Drug prohibition has not worked, and will never work. There are better policies for the people and better things to do with our money.

  41. bob42 Avatar

    #16 FA, yes I have plenty.

    Do you have any substantive evidence to support your notion that our drug problem would not be far worse if we were not actively limiting access?

    If drugs were legalized tomorrow, would you try them? If you say “no” then you are in agreement with over 99% of the population.

    Alcohol prohibition didn’t work. Drug prohibition has not worked, and will never work. There are better policies for the people and better things to do with our money.

  42. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    MILWAUKEE — One woman here killed a friend after they argued over a brown silk dress. A man killed a neighbor whose 10-year-old son had mistakenly used his dish soap. Two men argued over a cellphone, and pulling out their guns, the police say, killed a 13-year-old girl in the crossfire.

    If killing a friend over a silk dress became legal, I don’t think I’d try killing someone over a silk dress.

  43. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    MILWAUKEE — One woman here killed a friend after they argued over a brown silk dress. A man killed a neighbor whose 10-year-old son had mistakenly used his dish soap. Two men argued over a cellphone, and pulling out their guns, the police say, killed a 13-year-old girl in the crossfire.

    If killing a friend over a silk dress became legal, I don’t think I’d try killing someone over a silk dress.

  44. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #23 B42

    If drugs were legalized tomorrow, would you try them? If you say “no” then you are in agreement with over 99% of the population.

    Throwing back your own usual tactic: What is your (reliable) evidence for the 99%? I think it would be quite a bit higher but that is just my opinion.

  45. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #23 B42

    If drugs were legalized tomorrow, would you try them? If you say “no” then you are in agreement with over 99% of the population.

    Throwing back your own usual tactic: What is your (reliable) evidence for the 99%? I think it would be quite a bit higher but that is just my opinion.

  46. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Darren, your #19 is anecdotal at best, and your logic is completely flawed. She succeeded in getting the drugs she wanted, right?

    If killing a friend over a silk dress became legal, I don’t think I’d try killing someone over a silk dress.

    LOL, more completely flawed logic. Nobody is pushing for legalizing murder. If I decided to visit a friend tonight and I smoked a joint there, who dies? Who is harmed?

    Silly rabbit.

  47. bob42 Avatar

    Darren, your #19 is anecdotal at best, and your logic is completely flawed. She succeeded in getting the drugs she wanted, right?

    If killing a friend over a silk dress became legal, I don’t think I’d try killing someone over a silk dress.

    LOL, more completely flawed logic. Nobody is pushing for legalizing murder. If I decided to visit a friend tonight and I smoked a joint there, who dies? Who is harmed?

    Silly rabbit.

  48. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Do you have any substantive evidence to support your notion that our drug problem would not be far worse if we were not actively limiting access?

    There are a couple of better questions:

    There is currently one mind altering substance that is legally obtainable for use by citizens of this country with few restrictions. Citizens who legally obtain this substance and use it in the manner in which it was designed and then endeavor to drive on the Constitutionally mandated roadways of this country thereby commit the crime of drunk driving. At all levels of Government there are employed armed representatives and agents empowered to use force and detention to reduce or prevent this illegal act caused by the use of a legally obtainable substance. In 2007, Government at all levels failed in this responsibility to such an extent that 15,387 citizens were deprived of their basic right of Life, as mentioned in the Declaration as a result of other citizens committing this illegal act with this legally obtainable mind altering substance.

    Question 1:

    Can you prove that the rendering of additional mind altering substances as legally obtainable as alcohol will bring that number down, or at least not make it go up?

    I submit that any reasonably prudent or even marginally educated individual would be safe in assuming that the number of citizens deprived of thier right of Life by other citizens would actually increase.

    Question 2:

    Given that government at all levels, with the power it currently has, has failed to a certain extent to render the Constutionally mandated roadways safe to transport the mail and promote commerce between the several states, will adding more legally obtainable substances tend to cuase them to seek to expand thier power and size in order to prevent or deter the increase in illegal acts of driving on the road impaired?

    I rather think that they would. In fact, many more government agencies far and beyond those that would have the Constutional authority to limit our Liberty to drive upon these Constitutionally mandated roads.

    I therefore find that making more mind altering substances as legal and easy to obtain the one we already allow will result in an increase threat to the righ of Life to the citizens of this country, and would tend to increase the power and size of Government, which would result ina loss of Liberty.

  49. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Do you have any substantive evidence to support your notion that our drug problem would not be far worse if we were not actively limiting access?

    There are a couple of better questions:

    There is currently one mind altering substance that is legally obtainable for use by citizens of this country with few restrictions. Citizens who legally obtain this substance and use it in the manner in which it was designed and then endeavor to drive on the Constitutionally mandated roadways of this country thereby commit the crime of drunk driving. At all levels of Government there are employed armed representatives and agents empowered to use force and detention to reduce or prevent this illegal act caused by the use of a legally obtainable substance. In 2007, Government at all levels failed in this responsibility to such an extent that 15,387 citizens were deprived of their basic right of Life, as mentioned in the Declaration as a result of other citizens committing this illegal act with this legally obtainable mind altering substance.

    Question 1:

    Can you prove that the rendering of additional mind altering substances as legally obtainable as alcohol will bring that number down, or at least not make it go up?

    I submit that any reasonably prudent or even marginally educated individual would be safe in assuming that the number of citizens deprived of thier right of Life by other citizens would actually increase.

    Question 2:

    Given that government at all levels, with the power it currently has, has failed to a certain extent to render the Constutionally mandated roadways safe to transport the mail and promote commerce between the several states, will adding more legally obtainable substances tend to cuase them to seek to expand thier power and size in order to prevent or deter the increase in illegal acts of driving on the road impaired?

    I rather think that they would. In fact, many more government agencies far and beyond those that would have the Constutional authority to limit our Liberty to drive upon these Constitutionally mandated roads.

    I therefore find that making more mind altering substances as legal and easy to obtain the one we already allow will result in an increase threat to the righ of Life to the citizens of this country, and would tend to increase the power and size of Government, which would result ina loss of Liberty.

  50. Katfish Avatar

    If I decided to visit a friend tonight and I smoked a joint there, who dies? Who is harmed?

    Likely, nobody. However, the vast majority of illegal drug users are not paragons of responsibility such as yourself. Those are the ones the drug laws are there for, in addition to those who are not mature enough to make such potentially life-altering decisions as which chemicals from whom are unsafe to consume.

  51. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    If I decided to visit a friend tonight and I smoked a joint there, who dies? Who is harmed?

    Likely, nobody. However, the vast majority of illegal drug users are not paragons of responsibility such as yourself. Those are the ones the drug laws are there for, in addition to those who are not mature enough to make such potentially life-altering decisions as which chemicals from whom are unsafe to consume.

  52. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Sarge, it’s your war on drugs. You support it. But can you justify it? Can you show it’s effectiveness? Can you show that it is the optimal solution to the problem?

    You dodge (fishtail?) my questions, but I’ll answer yours, just cuz you’re so cute.

    Q1: Alcohol prohibition didn’t work. That is a fact. Safe consumption increased then quickly declined to normal after prohibition was repealed, and deaths related to alcohol poisoning decreased. These too are facts.

    Q2: Alcohol related traffic deaths have steadily decreased over the last few decades, not because alcohol was prohibited, but because of public awareness education and reasonable enforcement of DUI laws. Same with tobacco. It’s not prohibited, yet the number of folks addicted to it has declined as a result of greater awareness of its effects on health.

    Cannabis is less dangerous than either alcohol or tobacco. It’s your war. The burden of proving to be effective or beneficial is yours. According to your logic, both alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited by your government.

    That you can’t, or refuse to justify your war says a lot about your motivations. (But I still think you’re cute.)

  53. bob42 Avatar

    Sarge, it’s your war on drugs. You support it. But can you justify it? Can you show it’s effectiveness? Can you show that it is the optimal solution to the problem?

    You dodge (fishtail?) my questions, but I’ll answer yours, just cuz you’re so cute.

    Q1: Alcohol prohibition didn’t work. That is a fact. Safe consumption increased then quickly declined to normal after prohibition was repealed, and deaths related to alcohol poisoning decreased. These too are facts.

    Q2: Alcohol related traffic deaths have steadily decreased over the last few decades, not because alcohol was prohibited, but because of public awareness education and reasonable enforcement of DUI laws. Same with tobacco. It’s not prohibited, yet the number of folks addicted to it has declined as a result of greater awareness of its effects on health.

    Cannabis is less dangerous than either alcohol or tobacco. It’s your war. The burden of proving to be effective or beneficial is yours. According to your logic, both alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited by your government.

    That you can’t, or refuse to justify your war says a lot about your motivations. (But I still think you’re cute.)

  54. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Cops: Follicly-challenged perp stole Rogaine stash from pharmacy

    If stealing Rogaine became legal, I wouldn’t try it. Nor would 99% of the population.

  55. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Cops: Follicly-challenged perp stole Rogaine stash from pharmacy

    If stealing Rogaine became legal, I wouldn’t try it. Nor would 99% of the population.

  56. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    ALARMS which shoppers can attach to their purses to alert them to pickpockets are being given given away in Kidderminster and Bromsgrove during the January sales.

    If purse snatching became legal, I wouldn’t try it.

    LINK

  57. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    ALARMS which shoppers can attach to their purses to alert them to pickpockets are being given given away in Kidderminster and Bromsgrove during the January sales.

    If purse snatching became legal, I wouldn’t try it.

    LINK

  58. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    According to your logic, both alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited by your government.

    According to the voice of the people, they are NOT prohibited.

  59. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    According to your logic, both alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited by your government.

    According to the voice of the people, they are NOT prohibited.

  60. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In recent years prices for metal have been raising dramatically due to rapid industrialization in India and China. This hiking in price has now been taken into metal theft gradually.

    If stealing metal became legal, I wouldn’t try it.

    LINK

  61. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In recent years prices for metal have been raising dramatically due to rapid industrialization in India and China. This hiking in price has now been taken into metal theft gradually.

    If stealing metal became legal, I wouldn’t try it.

    LINK

  62. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob #27;

    Wow, you like, completely missed my point there. Nothing new though.

    sigh

  63. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob #27;

    Wow, you like, completely missed my point there. Nothing new though.

    sigh

  64. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Q1: Alcohol prohibition didn’t work. That is a fact. Safe consumption increased then quickly declined to normal after prohibition was repealed, and deaths related to alcohol poisoning decreased. These too are facts.

    However, the use of roadways has exponentially increased. The government has no Constituional mandate to keep people from posining themsleves. It does have one to keep the roads safe.

    Nice try.

    Q2: Alcohol related traffic deaths have steadily decreased over the last few decades, not because alcohol was prohibited, but because of public awareness education and reasonable enforcement of DUI laws. Same with tobacco. It’s not prohibited, yet the number of folks addicted to it has declined as a result of greater awareness of its effects on health.

    Therefore, the addition of additional legally mind altering substances will result in increased enforcement and regulation—your example necessitates it.

    And using cigarettes as an example of how government reasonably acts is entirely laugable. The government actions done to limit the use of tobacco is done entirely without Constitional authority to do so. It is a substance that does not have any real detrimental affect on the rights of others. If you’re going to say that government will act the same way towards legalized drugs as it has towards legal tobacco, you’ve made my argument for me.

  65. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Q1: Alcohol prohibition didn’t work. That is a fact. Safe consumption increased then quickly declined to normal after prohibition was repealed, and deaths related to alcohol poisoning decreased. These too are facts.

    However, the use of roadways has exponentially increased. The government has no Constituional mandate to keep people from posining themsleves. It does have one to keep the roads safe.

    Nice try.

    Q2: Alcohol related traffic deaths have steadily decreased over the last few decades, not because alcohol was prohibited, but because of public awareness education and reasonable enforcement of DUI laws. Same with tobacco. It’s not prohibited, yet the number of folks addicted to it has declined as a result of greater awareness of its effects on health.

    Therefore, the addition of additional legally mind altering substances will result in increased enforcement and regulation—your example necessitates it.

    And using cigarettes as an example of how government reasonably acts is entirely laugable. The government actions done to limit the use of tobacco is done entirely without Constitional authority to do so. It is a substance that does not have any real detrimental affect on the rights of others. If you’re going to say that government will act the same way towards legalized drugs as it has towards legal tobacco, you’ve made my argument for me.

  66. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    According to your logic, both alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited by your government.

    Both were legal upon the foundation of the Republic. Alcohol, in its many forms, served many functions for citizens beyond that of altering ones state of consciousness. It provided a means for the farmer to market his crop far beyond the point at which it would become rotten beyond any marketability, and in many places served as a safer alternative to drinking water.

  67. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    According to your logic, both alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited by your government.

    Both were legal upon the foundation of the Republic. Alcohol, in its many forms, served many functions for citizens beyond that of altering ones state of consciousness. It provided a means for the farmer to market his crop far beyond the point at which it would become rotten beyond any marketability, and in many places served as a safer alternative to drinking water.

  68. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #37 Sarge, this is pure baloney.

    Therefore, the addition of additional legally mind altering substances will result in increased enforcement and regulation—your example necessitates it.

    Additional? Give me a freaking break!

    Your statement presumes that yourwar on drugs is effective, a point that you refuse to substantiate, prolly because you can’t. The facts are against you, so you just ignore them. Typical feel good social conservative authoritarianism.

  69. bob42 Avatar

    #37 Sarge, this is pure baloney.

    Therefore, the addition of additional legally mind altering substances will result in increased enforcement and regulation—your example necessitates it.

    Additional? Give me a freaking break!

    Your statement presumes that yourwar on drugs is effective, a point that you refuse to substantiate, prolly because you can’t. The facts are against you, so you just ignore them. Typical feel good social conservative authoritarianism.

  70. El Gordo Avatar

    If you paid $5400 on your 2009 taxes here’s how your money was spent:

    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03

    Item 4 is, of course, the result of years of being unwilling to scale back spending on items 1 – 3 to realistic, sustainable levels. The amount that’s spent on the WOD, while wasteful and largely off target, is insignificant in the big budget picture.

  71. Dude42 Avatar

    If you paid $5400 on your 2009 taxes here’s how your money was spent:

    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03

    Item 4 is, of course, the result of years of being unwilling to scale back spending on items 1 – 3 to realistic, sustainable levels. The amount that’s spent on the WOD, while wasteful and largely off target, is insignificant in the big budget picture.

  72. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Additional? Give me a freaking break!

    Your statement presumes that yourwar on drugs is effective, a point that you refuse to substantiate, prolly because you can’t. The facts are against you, so you just ignore them. Typical feel good social conservative authoritarianism.

    So–

    What you are saying is that the prohibitions and education efforts of the government are not working, and therefore we should make it legal as it would have no effect on the right of Life of the citizen who is killed by a drunken driver, and that’s OK because there would be no increase in the size and scope of government.

    So;

    When I read about a bank robber depriving another citizen of his right to Property, I should tell that citizen that we are going to solve the problem by making bank robbery legal because the government’s efforts at making it illegal have failed and we will see a decrease in the size of government.

    Somehow, I don’t think that one will fly.

  73. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Additional? Give me a freaking break!

    Your statement presumes that yourwar on drugs is effective, a point that you refuse to substantiate, prolly because you can’t. The facts are against you, so you just ignore them. Typical feel good social conservative authoritarianism.

    So–

    What you are saying is that the prohibitions and education efforts of the government are not working, and therefore we should make it legal as it would have no effect on the right of Life of the citizen who is killed by a drunken driver, and that’s OK because there would be no increase in the size and scope of government.

    So;

    When I read about a bank robber depriving another citizen of his right to Property, I should tell that citizen that we are going to solve the problem by making bank robbery legal because the government’s efforts at making it illegal have failed and we will see a decrease in the size of government.

    Somehow, I don’t think that one will fly.

  74. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Bob’s inane blather today only proves his opposition to the WoD has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism and everything to do with his morally ambiguous libertine philosophy. It’s rather child-like actually. But there is hope.

  75. Hamous Avatar

    Bob’s inane blather today only proves his opposition to the WoD has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism and everything to do with his morally ambiguous libertine philosophy. It’s rather child-like actually. But there is hope.

  76. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The amount that’s spent on the WOD, while wasteful and largely off target, is insignificant in the big budget picture.

    Precisely.

  77. Hamous Avatar

    The amount that’s spent on the WOD, while wasteful and largely off target, is insignificant in the big budget picture.

    Precisely.

  78. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #26 Revisiting my own comment

    What is your (reliable) evidence for the 99%? I think it would be quite a bit higher but that is just my opinion.

    That was badly worded. What I mean is I think quite a few people would be encouraged to try suddenly legalized narcotics. I do not agree with Bob’s statement that only 1% of those who currently abstain would then start doing drugs.

  79. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #26 Revisiting my own comment

    What is your (reliable) evidence for the 99%? I think it would be quite a bit higher but that is just my opinion.

    That was badly worded. What I mean is I think quite a few people would be encouraged to try suddenly legalized narcotics. I do not agree with Bob’s statement that only 1% of those who currently abstain would then start doing drugs.

  80. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I’ve long since been convinced, but an excellent case is made for Barry being a “flat-out Marxist-Leninist” in this article.

  81. Hamous Avatar

    I’ve long since been convinced, but an excellent case is made for Barry being a “flat-out Marxist-Leninist” in this article.

  82. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Furthermore, Bobby;

    I don’t have to prove that the War on Drugs is effective.

    All I have to do is to prove that your solution would result in less, not more Liberty.

    Which is where you hang your hat.

    Your contention is that the WoD is an authoritarian assault on the Liberty of those who wish to use drugs.

    My reposte is that as long as the use of drugs affects the Constutionally mandated functions of government as regards the mail and commerce, then government will expand along with the use of legally obtainable drugs—in the same way that it does legally obtainable alcohol—and that since such expansion would necessarily increase limitations and regulation of the use of the roadways.

    Not to mention all of the other government agencies and departments that will expand to regulate the production and cultivation of these substances as well as the commerce.

    Legalizing drugs will expand government at all levels, which will affect the Liberty of all citizens, not just those that are currently inconvienced by its prohibition.

  83. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Furthermore, Bobby;

    I don’t have to prove that the War on Drugs is effective.

    All I have to do is to prove that your solution would result in less, not more Liberty.

    Which is where you hang your hat.

    Your contention is that the WoD is an authoritarian assault on the Liberty of those who wish to use drugs.

    My reposte is that as long as the use of drugs affects the Constutionally mandated functions of government as regards the mail and commerce, then government will expand along with the use of legally obtainable drugs—in the same way that it does legally obtainable alcohol—and that since such expansion would necessarily increase limitations and regulation of the use of the roadways.

    Not to mention all of the other government agencies and departments that will expand to regulate the production and cultivation of these substances as well as the commerce.

    Legalizing drugs will expand government at all levels, which will affect the Liberty of all citizens, not just those that are currently inconvienced by its prohibition.

  84. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #44 M42, here’s the source.

    Before anyone gets a spontaneous orgasm from pointing out that the poll excluded the (by far) most often used illegal substance, cannabis, I’ll point out that over half the country has used it in the past, and gone on to become productive citizens, and that millions admit to current usage. Were it to become un-prohibited, you’d see a spike both in the number of folks who use it in the closet, and the number of folks that try it.

    Despite your expensive and ineffective war on drugs, anybody that wants cannabis can already find it safely and quite easily.

    As an anecdotal demonstration of that already well established fact, I’ll do so tonight as I visit a friend, watch a movie, and do seriously harm only to a bag of Cheetos.

    Don’t worry, I won’t be driving. I’m spending the night with her. 😉

  85. bob42 Avatar

    #44 M42, here’s the source.

    Before anyone gets a spontaneous orgasm from pointing out that the poll excluded the (by far) most often used illegal substance, cannabis, I’ll point out that over half the country has used it in the past, and gone on to become productive citizens, and that millions admit to current usage. Were it to become un-prohibited, you’d see a spike both in the number of folks who use it in the closet, and the number of folks that try it.

    Despite your expensive and ineffective war on drugs, anybody that wants cannabis can already find it safely and quite easily.

    As an anecdotal demonstration of that already well established fact, I’ll do so tonight as I visit a friend, watch a movie, and do seriously harm only to a bag of Cheetos.

    Don’t worry, I won’t be driving. I’m spending the night with her. 😉

  86. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Bob’s inane blather today only proves his opposition to the WoD has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism and everything to do with his morally ambiguous libertine philosophy. It’s rather child-like actually. But there is hope.

    Which is proven when you get him off the “should drugs be legalized” track and get him on the “What will happen to Government when they are as legal to obtain and use as booze is?”

    Legalization of drugs would be the biggest Big Government act this country could take with the current structure of Government. The priorities of true Liberty Lovers should be directed towards the greater threat to Liberty that the current size and power of government represents, not handing them another convenient path towards more intervention into the lives of ALL citizens, not just the ones that wish to use drugs, whether done responsibly or not.

    And experience shows me that responsibility is not one of the hallmarks of the average drug user, so one can expect more irresponsible behavior than less, which would result in government expansion.

  87. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Bob’s inane blather today only proves his opposition to the WoD has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism and everything to do with his morally ambiguous libertine philosophy. It’s rather child-like actually. But there is hope.

    Which is proven when you get him off the “should drugs be legalized” track and get him on the “What will happen to Government when they are as legal to obtain and use as booze is?”

    Legalization of drugs would be the biggest Big Government act this country could take with the current structure of Government. The priorities of true Liberty Lovers should be directed towards the greater threat to Liberty that the current size and power of government represents, not handing them another convenient path towards more intervention into the lives of ALL citizens, not just the ones that wish to use drugs, whether done responsibly or not.

    And experience shows me that responsibility is not one of the hallmarks of the average drug user, so one can expect more irresponsible behavior than less, which would result in government expansion.

  88. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #46 Sarge, quit fishtailing and posting nonsense, and post some facts for a change. You’re entitled to your opinions but not your own facts. You’ve said nothing to back up your hilarious illogic, and until you muster up the courage to try, I see no need to waste another brain cycle responding you your nonsensical rantings.

  89. bob42 Avatar

    #46 Sarge, quit fishtailing and posting nonsense, and post some facts for a change. You’re entitled to your opinions but not your own facts. You’ve said nothing to back up your hilarious illogic, and until you muster up the courage to try, I see no need to waste another brain cycle responding you your nonsensical rantings.

  90. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Despite your expensive and ineffective war on drugs, anybody that wants cannabis can already find it safely and quite easily.

    Just the other day you were using a guilt laden moral argument that attempted to convince us that cannabis should be legalized in order to keep sick people out of jail because it was so difficult and dangerous to get.

    Now your claiming that becuase its so easy to get, we might as well make it legal.

    I’m definately convinced that neither Liberty or Fiscal Conservatism is your primary concern here.

    In fact, I’m not sure even you know.

  91. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Despite your expensive and ineffective war on drugs, anybody that wants cannabis can already find it safely and quite easily.

    Just the other day you were using a guilt laden moral argument that attempted to convince us that cannabis should be legalized in order to keep sick people out of jail because it was so difficult and dangerous to get.

    Now your claiming that becuase its so easy to get, we might as well make it legal.

    I’m definately convinced that neither Liberty or Fiscal Conservatism is your primary concern here.

    In fact, I’m not sure even you know.

  92. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    #46 Sarge, quit fishtailing and posting nonsense, and post some facts for a change. You’re entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

    I posted the fact of traffic fatalities resulting from the use of a legally obtainable substance and asked you if we could expect that number to increase, decrease, or remain the same if more such substances were legalized.

    You’ve fishtailed pretty good around that answer.

  93. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    #46 Sarge, quit fishtailing and posting nonsense, and post some facts for a change. You’re entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

    I posted the fact of traffic fatalities resulting from the use of a legally obtainable substance and asked you if we could expect that number to increase, decrease, or remain the same if more such substances were legalized.

    You’ve fishtailed pretty good around that answer.

  94. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #51 Sarge, pardon me for wasting another brain cycle when I said I wouldn’t.

    I posted the fact of traffic fatalities resulting from the use of a legally obtainable substance and asked you if we could expect that number to increase, decrease, or remain the same if more such substances were legalized.

    It would remain the same or drop, simply because your war on drugs is completely ineffective in limiting access to them, and (just like alcohol prohibition) drives the market underground.

    It’s your war. Justify it. Show me how well it works. Show me it’s the best solution. Or flop your way back into your feel good social conservative authoritarian aquarium.

  95. bob42 Avatar

    #51 Sarge, pardon me for wasting another brain cycle when I said I wouldn’t.

    I posted the fact of traffic fatalities resulting from the use of a legally obtainable substance and asked you if we could expect that number to increase, decrease, or remain the same if more such substances were legalized.

    It would remain the same or drop, simply because your war on drugs is completely ineffective in limiting access to them, and (just like alcohol prohibition) drives the market underground.

    It’s your war. Justify it. Show me how well it works. Show me it’s the best solution. Or flop your way back into your feel good social conservative authoritarian aquarium.

  96. El Gordo Avatar

    Bob,

    Don’t guess I’ve ever asked you, but do you believe that drugs such as heroin and cocaine should be decriminalized as well, or just marijuana?

  97. Dude42 Avatar

    Bob,

    Don’t guess I’ve ever asked you, but do you believe that drugs such as heroin and cocaine should be decriminalized as well, or just marijuana?

  98. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    You’re entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

    That little pearl of wisdom has long since moved into clichédom along with “even a broken clock is right twice a day”. It’s especially insignificant when used ad nauseum by those who routinely present their own opinions as facts.

  99. Hamous Avatar

    You’re entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

    That little pearl of wisdom has long since moved into clichédom along with “even a broken clock is right twice a day”. It’s especially insignificant when used ad nauseum by those who routinely present their own opinions as facts.

  100. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Don’t guess I’ve ever asked you, but do you believe that drugs such as heroin and cocaine should be decriminalized as well, or just marijuana?

    As I recall, he only wants his drug of choice legalized. You know, for the children sick people.

  101. Hamous Avatar

    Don’t guess I’ve ever asked you, but do you believe that drugs such as heroin and cocaine should be decriminalized as well, or just marijuana?

    As I recall, he only wants his drug of choice legalized. You know, for the children sick people.

  102. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    It would remain the same or drop, simply because your war on drugs is completely ineffective in limiting access to them, and (just like alcohol prohibition) drives the market underground.

    And we are unable to prevent bank robberies as well. And embezzlement. And Identity Theft. And rape. And Domestic Abuse (even though we spend a good deal of effort on Education). and just about any other act by one citizen which infringes on the rights of others.

    Your very specious argument is that if a law enforcement effort does not prevent the crinme from occuring, then it would be a more effective use of government to make those crimes legal.

    And you still haven’t addressed the expansion of government activities engendered by all of the new legal substances, the regulations for the cultivation and production thereof, and whether or not we would see an expansion of Law Enforcement activities that would affect citizens not using these drugs.

  103. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    It would remain the same or drop, simply because your war on drugs is completely ineffective in limiting access to them, and (just like alcohol prohibition) drives the market underground.

    And we are unable to prevent bank robberies as well. And embezzlement. And Identity Theft. And rape. And Domestic Abuse (even though we spend a good deal of effort on Education). and just about any other act by one citizen which infringes on the rights of others.

    Your very specious argument is that if a law enforcement effort does not prevent the crinme from occuring, then it would be a more effective use of government to make those crimes legal.

    And you still haven’t addressed the expansion of government activities engendered by all of the new legal substances, the regulations for the cultivation and production thereof, and whether or not we would see an expansion of Law Enforcement activities that would affect citizens not using these drugs.

  104. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #47

    Good lord, Bob, that 3-year-old survey on hard drugs is your source for saying 99% of people would still abstain from smoking pot if it were legalized?

    This is disgusting, not orgasmic.

  105. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #47

    Good lord, Bob, that 3-year-old survey on hard drugs is your source for saying 99% of people would still abstain from smoking pot if it were legalized?

    This is disgusting, not orgasmic.

  106. meglettx Avatar

    What’s the offset to legalizing drugs including alcohol?

    No social, medical, welfare, unemployment, public defense or government benefits of any kind for you if you fail a mandatory pre and/or post qualifying piss/blood test. If you hurt, injure, maim or kill anyone and fail a piss/blood test – loss of all legal defense, full financial liability for loss caused, mandatory jail time.

    I’m sure there are other offsets but I don’t feel like committing any more of my time to dope42. I think he may be the Hambone equivalent of LST’s EPJ.

  107. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    What’s the offset to legalizing drugs including alcohol?

    No social, medical, welfare, unemployment, public defense or government benefits of any kind for you if you fail a mandatory pre and/or post qualifying piss/blood test. If you hurt, injure, maim or kill anyone and fail a piss/blood test – loss of all legal defense, full financial liability for loss caused, mandatory jail time.

    I’m sure there are other offsets but I don’t feel like committing any more of my time to dope42. I think he may be the Hambone equivalent of LST’s EPJ.

  108. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #53 Dude, let’s take a good look at heroin history. It is by far the most harmful and most addictive abused substance.

    It was used during the civil war as a surgical anesthetic and for post-op pain relief. From then until about 1905, it was a key ingredient in oral “patent” medications whose labels didn’t mention it. After the FDA mandated that “patent” meds fully disclose their contents, addiction and death rates from its use dropped. Then around 1910, the government decided to completely prohibit sale or possession of it, and the sad stats popped right back up to where they were, and have stayed there ever since. By and large, well informed citizens tend to make better decisions. Now you have insane drug warriors out there equivocating heroin to cannabis.

    To answer your question, philosophically, I oppose all government dictates of what people might legally chose to eat, drink, or smoke. Be it a Big Mac & supersized fries, tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, or the really stupid drugs that make up a comparatively small fraction of the drug war.

    From a more practical standpoint, I’m willing to throw the So-Cons a bone and agree to continued (but futile) prohibition of everything except cannabis. The reason is simple. It is by far the most popular, most often used illegal substance, and by far most of the money wasted on drug prohibition is wasted on the failed effort to prohibit it.

    There are better and less harmful/violent/expensive ways to address drug usage than what we are doing today.

  109. bob42 Avatar

    #53 Dude, let’s take a good look at heroin history. It is by far the most harmful and most addictive abused substance.

    It was used during the civil war as a surgical anesthetic and for post-op pain relief. From then until about 1905, it was a key ingredient in oral “patent” medications whose labels didn’t mention it. After the FDA mandated that “patent” meds fully disclose their contents, addiction and death rates from its use dropped. Then around 1910, the government decided to completely prohibit sale or possession of it, and the sad stats popped right back up to where they were, and have stayed there ever since. By and large, well informed citizens tend to make better decisions. Now you have insane drug warriors out there equivocating heroin to cannabis.

    To answer your question, philosophically, I oppose all government dictates of what people might legally chose to eat, drink, or smoke. Be it a Big Mac & supersized fries, tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, or the really stupid drugs that make up a comparatively small fraction of the drug war.

    From a more practical standpoint, I’m willing to throw the So-Cons a bone and agree to continued (but futile) prohibition of everything except cannabis. The reason is simple. It is by far the most popular, most often used illegal substance, and by far most of the money wasted on drug prohibition is wasted on the failed effort to prohibit it.

    There are better and less harmful/violent/expensive ways to address drug usage than what we are doing today.

  110. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #52 Bob42

    Or flop your way back into your feel good social conservative authoritarian aquarium.

    I think Bobolink started tokin’ early for his date tonight. He is hallucinating Sarge as a fish or something…

  111. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #52 Bob42

    Or flop your way back into your feel good social conservative authoritarian aquarium.

    I think Bobolink started tokin’ early for his date tonight. He is hallucinating Sarge as a fish or something…

  112. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I think Bobolink started tokin’ early for his date tonight. He is hallucinating Sarge as a fish or something…

    And as an Authoritarian.

    My arguments here today, as always, have been entirely Libertarian. My assessment is that legalizing drugs would result in a wider, but different, expansion of government Liberty restricting activites at all levels, as well as expansion of other areas of government beyond Law Enforcement. The fact that these excesses of government would be different from the way they are manifested now does not mitigate for me the fact that it would be more expansive, and affect the lives of nearly every citizen in the Republic.

    The argument is something a true Libertarian would be able to recognize, and discuss intelligently without resorting to shopworn name calling.

  113. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I think Bobolink started tokin’ early for his date tonight. He is hallucinating Sarge as a fish or something…

    And as an Authoritarian.

    My arguments here today, as always, have been entirely Libertarian. My assessment is that legalizing drugs would result in a wider, but different, expansion of government Liberty restricting activites at all levels, as well as expansion of other areas of government beyond Law Enforcement. The fact that these excesses of government would be different from the way they are manifested now does not mitigate for me the fact that it would be more expansive, and affect the lives of nearly every citizen in the Republic.

    The argument is something a true Libertarian would be able to recognize, and discuss intelligently without resorting to shopworn name calling.

  114. meglettx Avatar

    Hammie, you might have to clean up my last post. Apparently Hal42 didn’t like my use of a four letter word for urine. Or, it could’ve been the equivocation of dope42 to EPJ, a name whose mere mention should be something that should trigger the “doomsday machine” on every self respecting blog.

  115. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Hammie, you might have to clean up my last post. Apparently Hal42 didn’t like my use of a four letter word for urine. Or, it could’ve been the equivocation of dope42 to EPJ, a name whose mere mention should be something that should trigger the “doomsday machine” on every self respecting blog.

  116. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    No social, medical, welfare, unemployment, public defense or government benefits of any kind for you if you fail a mandatory pre and/or post qualifying piss/blood test. If you hurt, injure, maim or kill anyone and fail a piss/blood test – loss of all legal defense, full financial liability for loss caused, mandatory jail time.

    See, that’s where bobo’s libertarian facade melts away like the Nazi’s face in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He haughtily proclaims that he’s against all that stuff, knowing full well that if his philosophy were the law of the land we the taxpayers would be funding each and every one of those…and taking care of the druggies’ destitute wives and children.

  117. Hamous Avatar

    No social, medical, welfare, unemployment, public defense or government benefits of any kind for you if you fail a mandatory pre and/or post qualifying piss/blood test. If you hurt, injure, maim or kill anyone and fail a piss/blood test – loss of all legal defense, full financial liability for loss caused, mandatory jail time.

    See, that’s where bobo’s libertarian facade melts away like the Nazi’s face in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He haughtily proclaims that he’s against all that stuff, knowing full well that if his philosophy were the law of the land we the taxpayers would be funding each and every one of those…and taking care of the druggies’ destitute wives and children.

  118. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    wagonburner, From your link;
    Born Here 58%
    Another Country 20%
    Don’t Know 23%
    58+20+23=100??….Humm,… OK ❓

  119. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    wagonburner, From your link;
    Born Here 58%
    Another Country 20%
    Don’t Know 23%
    58+20+23=100??….Humm,… OK ❓

  120. Tedtam Avatar

    Wow. Just got through skimming through the posts today. All I have to say is – Hey, look at that COOL looking bird outside my window! Red crest and all! Wow!

  121. Tedtam Avatar

    Wow. Just got through skimming through the posts today. All I have to say is – Hey, look at that COOL looking bird outside my window! Red crest and all! Wow!

  122. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See, that’s where bobo’s libertarian facade melts away like the Nazi’s face in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He haughtily proclaims that he’s against all that stuff, knowing full well that if his philosophy were the law of the land we the taxpayers would be funding each and every one of those…and taking care of the druggies’ destitute wives and children.

    As well as funding all the new programs at Dept of Agriculture to study and improve cultivation, at ATCF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, and Firearms) to enforce the new laws and regulations that will need to be passed to engage in commerce and collect taxes and fees in the same manner as booze, FDA to regulate production practices, etc., etc., etc.,—-and thats just at the Federal level.

  123. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    See, that’s where bobo’s libertarian facade melts away like the Nazi’s face in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He haughtily proclaims that he’s against all that stuff, knowing full well that if his philosophy were the law of the land we the taxpayers would be funding each and every one of those…and taking care of the druggies’ destitute wives and children.

    As well as funding all the new programs at Dept of Agriculture to study and improve cultivation, at ATCF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, and Firearms) to enforce the new laws and regulations that will need to be passed to engage in commerce and collect taxes and fees in the same manner as booze, FDA to regulate production practices, etc., etc., etc.,—-and thats just at the Federal level.

  124. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #46;

    A very good article.

  125. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #46;

    A very good article.

  126. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Super Dave #65;

    It must have included some illegal residents.

  127. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Super Dave #65;

    It must have included some illegal residents.

  128. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Right, Tedtam. And over here I see a threatening sky lurking in the northwest, increasing winds out of the south pulling in more Gulf moisture to fuel the rains to come, and a bit of uneasiness amongst the woodsy creatures who sense stuff so much better than we can.

    A cute squirrel hopped up on the back of the bench on the patio in front of the garden room and stared in, then jumped up to a wall planter above it to search through pine boughs decorating it. Finding nothing interesting in it, he stared in the window again for a bit as spouse stared back at him.

    Spouse out-stared him and went back to his laptop to finish the installation incantantions for a new Wi-Fi gigabit router bought this morning to replace the one that croaked last evening. I understand it is an upgrade to boot. I has blue flashing lights instead of green as the not so dearly departed one had. Presume this is merely cosmetic. Anyhow it works and talks to everything in the house it’s supposed to. And it connects to the net a whole lot faster.

    .

  129. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Right, Tedtam. And over here I see a threatening sky lurking in the northwest, increasing winds out of the south pulling in more Gulf moisture to fuel the rains to come, and a bit of uneasiness amongst the woodsy creatures who sense stuff so much better than we can.

    A cute squirrel hopped up on the back of the bench on the patio in front of the garden room and stared in, then jumped up to a wall planter above it to search through pine boughs decorating it. Finding nothing interesting in it, he stared in the window again for a bit as spouse stared back at him.

    Spouse out-stared him and went back to his laptop to finish the installation incantantions for a new Wi-Fi gigabit router bought this morning to replace the one that croaked last evening. I understand it is an upgrade to boot. I has blue flashing lights instead of green as the not so dearly departed one had. Presume this is merely cosmetic. Anyhow it works and talks to everything in the house it’s supposed to. And it connects to the net a whole lot faster.

    .

  130. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #46 Hamous. A must read. The comments with it are excellent.

  131. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #46 Hamous. A must read. The comments with it are excellent.

  132. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #61;

    That could be a compliment. One of my favorite Spanish Christmas songs is Los peces en el rio. It’s basically a song about how happy the fish were when Jesus was born while The Mother Mary goes about her daily duties.

    http://spanish.about.com/od/spanishchristmascarols/a/peces_rio.htm

    Not exactly the version I’ve come ot enjoy but it’s the best I could find on You Tube. click HERE to listen. Below is the lyrics.

    Los peces en el río

    La Virgen se está peinando
    entre cortina y cortina.
    Los cabellos son de oro
    y el peine de plata fina.

    ESTRIBILLO:
    Pero mira cómo beben

    los peces en el río.
    Pero mira cómo beben
    por ver a Dios nacido.
    Beben y beben
    y vuelven a beber.
    Los peces en el río
    por ver a Dios nacer.

    La Virgen lava pañales
    y los tiende en el romero,
    los pajarillos cantando,
    y el romero floreciendo.

    ESTRIBILLO

    La Virgen se está lavando
    con un poco de jabón.
    Se le han picado las manos,
    manos de mi corazón.

    The lyrics is from my link above and there you can find an English translation. Be sure to click on page two for a more plausible translation as opposed ot the direct, literal one. It’s obviously a song for kids.

  133. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #61;

    That could be a compliment. One of my favorite Spanish Christmas songs is Los peces en el rio. It’s basically a song about how happy the fish were when Jesus was born while The Mother Mary goes about her daily duties.

    http://spanish.about.com/od/spanishchristmascarols/a/peces_rio.htm

    Not exactly the version I’ve come ot enjoy but it’s the best I could find on You Tube. click HERE to listen. Below is the lyrics.

    Los peces en el río

    La Virgen se está peinando
    entre cortina y cortina.
    Los cabellos son de oro
    y el peine de plata fina.

    ESTRIBILLO:
    Pero mira cómo beben

    los peces en el río.
    Pero mira cómo beben
    por ver a Dios nacido.
    Beben y beben
    y vuelven a beber.
    Los peces en el río
    por ver a Dios nacer.

    La Virgen lava pañales
    y los tiende en el romero,
    los pajarillos cantando,
    y el romero floreciendo.

    ESTRIBILLO

    La Virgen se está lavando
    con un poco de jabón.
    Se le han picado las manos,
    manos de mi corazón.

    The lyrics is from my link above and there you can find an English translation. Be sure to click on page two for a more plausible translation as opposed ot the direct, literal one. It’s obviously a song for kids.

  134. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    As well as funding all the new programs at Dept of Agriculture to study and improve cultivation, at ATCF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, and Firearms) to enforce the new laws and regulations that will need to be passed to engage in commerce and collect taxes and fees in the same manner as booze, FDA to regulate production practices, etc., etc., etc.,—-and thats just at the Federal level.

    Besides, we’ll be far better off being able to buy weed from WalMart.

  135. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    As well as funding all the new programs at Dept of Agriculture to study and improve cultivation, at ATCF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, and Firearms) to enforce the new laws and regulations that will need to be passed to engage in commerce and collect taxes and fees in the same manner as booze, FDA to regulate production practices, etc., etc., etc.,—-and thats just at the Federal level.

    Besides, we’ll be far better off being able to buy weed from WalMart.

  136. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #58;

    This is disgusting, not orgasmic.

    I agree but you must understand that bob gets orgasms from all sorts of sources. That’s the way he views the world. Sad really.

  137. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #58;

    This is disgusting, not orgasmic.

    I agree but you must understand that bob gets orgasms from all sorts of sources. That’s the way he views the world. Sad really.

  138. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #66 TT

    Red crest and all!

    Is it a cardinal? Or is this a reference to something else that shoots over my head?

  139. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #66 TT

    Red crest and all!

    Is it a cardinal? Or is this a reference to something else that shoots over my head?

  140. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #72 Darrensong about how happy the fish were when Jesus was born

    I’m pretty sure that wasn’t what Bobolink had in mind. 🙂

  141. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #72 Darrensong about how happy the fish were when Jesus was born

    I’m pretty sure that wasn’t what Bobolink had in mind. 🙂

  142. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Wow, I sure butchered the format there. Let me try it again…

    song about how happy the fish were when Jesus was born

    I’m pretty sure that wasn’t what B42 had in mind.

  143. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Wow, I sure butchered the format there. Let me try it again…

    song about how happy the fish were when Jesus was born

    I’m pretty sure that wasn’t what B42 had in mind.

  144. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Darren (#63 yesterday)

    We also enjoy the uniqueness of their names.

    The explanations of where the names came from are as interesting as the names themselves. I think most “neonyms” are just randon syllables making a pleasant sound, but it’s a lot more than that in your family’s case.

    Glad you skipped “Orstie” or that son would have been stuck with an awful name. (Hope no one else here named their kid Orstie or I’ll be extending my daily apology to someone…)

  145. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Darren (#63 yesterday)

    We also enjoy the uniqueness of their names.

    The explanations of where the names came from are as interesting as the names themselves. I think most “neonyms” are just randon syllables making a pleasant sound, but it’s a lot more than that in your family’s case.

    Glad you skipped “Orstie” or that son would have been stuck with an awful name. (Hope no one else here named their kid Orstie or I’ll be extending my daily apology to someone…)

  146. meglettx Avatar

    “The Tax Fraud” and the head of the Repuke Party of Texas are currently on KSEV applying the political Astroglide to the folks for a moderate centrist(read RINO) Republican Party Presidential candidate in 2012. The same old excuses are flowing like fine wine.

    Repuke good, Demoncat bad.

    It’s very clear to me the toopardeedoowopoly, just like the government unions, has to be busted. Bring on a third party.

    Period. End of story.

  147. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    “The Tax Fraud” and the head of the Repuke Party of Texas are currently on KSEV applying the political Astroglide to the folks for a moderate centrist(read RINO) Republican Party Presidential candidate in 2012. The same old excuses are flowing like fine wine.

    Repuke good, Demoncat bad.

    It’s very clear to me the toopardeedoowopoly, just like the government unions, has to be busted. Bring on a third party.

    Period. End of story.

  148. meglettx Avatar

    Folks, the fix is in for the Repuke nominee in 2012.

    The good old boy Repuke establishment has already rigged the game. The media will go along for the ride and the socialist train will thunder on.

    Just tune into to KSEV and listen closely.

  149. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Folks, the fix is in for the Repuke nominee in 2012.

    The good old boy Repuke establishment has already rigged the game. The media will go along for the ride and the socialist train will thunder on.

    Just tune into to KSEV and listen closely.

  150. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #74

    not orgasmic

    Actually, Bob thought we would flip out with utter joy on realizing that his “evidence” about the 99% who would never smoke dope was meaningless — since that study was about something quite different.

    I was not glad, or sad, but as I said — disgusted! — that he posted the irrelevant data.

  151. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #74

    not orgasmic

    Actually, Bob thought we would flip out with utter joy on realizing that his “evidence” about the 99% who would never smoke dope was meaningless — since that study was about something quite different.

    I was not glad, or sad, but as I said — disgusted! — that he posted the irrelevant data.

  152. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #78;

    Glad you skipped “Orstie” or that son would have been stuck with an awful name. (Hope no one else here named their kid Orstie or I’ll be extending my daily apology to someone…)

    I figured that would be a cute name while he’s a little boy but he’d probably get a arse kicked in middle and high school with that name.

    #81;

    Bob thought we would flip out with utter joy on realizing that his “evidence” about the 99% who would never smoke dope was meaningless — since that study was about something quite different.

    Yup, he does that alot as well. Bob likes to post things here thining all will rejoice but, alas, it only proves how much he misreads his audience. Especially their intelligence and humanitarian levels.

  153. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #78;

    Glad you skipped “Orstie” or that son would have been stuck with an awful name. (Hope no one else here named their kid Orstie or I’ll be extending my daily apology to someone…)

    I figured that would be a cute name while he’s a little boy but he’d probably get a arse kicked in middle and high school with that name.

    #81;

    Bob thought we would flip out with utter joy on realizing that his “evidence” about the 99% who would never smoke dope was meaningless — since that study was about something quite different.

    Yup, he does that alot as well. Bob likes to post things here thining all will rejoice but, alas, it only proves how much he misreads his audience. Especially their intelligence and humanitarian levels.

  154. Dooood Avatar

    #80 Lawrence

    Relax a little. First of all, if Rick Perry and Dan Patrick were half as smart and influential as they think they are the world would be a stampede of a billion purple unicorns.

    It’s a very big country with many players and factions and interests. Rick and Dan are just cogs in the machine. Owning a radio station may give you a lot of bark, but not necessarily a lot of bite.

  155. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #80 Lawrence

    Relax a little. First of all, if Rick Perry and Dan Patrick were half as smart and influential as they think they are the world would be a stampede of a billion purple unicorns.

    It’s a very big country with many players and factions and interests. Rick and Dan are just cogs in the machine. Owning a radio station may give you a lot of bark, but not necessarily a lot of bite.

  156. Tedtam Avatar

    #75 mharper42

    Red crest and all!

    Is it a cardinal? Or is this a reference to something else that shoots over my head?

    It was just my attempt to let the guys know that the old arguments were getting old, and I was tuning it all out.

    I see your fingers move over the keyboard, but all I see is “blah blah blah”.

  157. Tedtam Avatar

    #75 mharper42

    Red crest and all!

    Is it a cardinal? Or is this a reference to something else that shoots over my head?

    It was just my attempt to let the guys know that the old arguments were getting old, and I was tuning it all out.

    I see your fingers move over the keyboard, but all I see is “blah blah blah”.

  158. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #83 Texpat

    Rick and Dan are just cogs in the machine

    I can’t see Rick Perry getting very far in national politics. He is total politician and that is unwholesome, it’s not what conservatives want. A history of frenetic promises while campaigning, broken without so much as a backward glance after the election. That is contempt of consituency.

    Also in his case a tinge of the unsavory — Sorry, Rick. Adios Mofo.

    That said, if the choice were Perry vs Nobama, Perry is my man.

  159. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #83 Texpat

    Rick and Dan are just cogs in the machine

    I can’t see Rick Perry getting very far in national politics. He is total politician and that is unwholesome, it’s not what conservatives want. A history of frenetic promises while campaigning, broken without so much as a backward glance after the election. That is contempt of consituency.

    Also in his case a tinge of the unsavory — Sorry, Rick. Adios Mofo.

    That said, if the choice were Perry vs Nobama, Perry is my man.

  160. Dooood Avatar

    #85 mh42

    Rick Perry has been riding the wave of Texas prosperity for years and doing so from the Governor’s seat has not allowed him much authority to screw up a really good thing. The facts are the people and companies of Texas have made it a success in spite of their politicians. They are the ones who deserve the acclaim.

    Unfortunately, many well-intentioned commentators and respected conservative pundits on the national stage, who understand little or nothing about Texas and its state government, are more than willing to give Perry recognition for sustained success for which he deserves small credit.

  161. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #85 mh42

    Rick Perry has been riding the wave of Texas prosperity for years and doing so from the Governor’s seat has not allowed him much authority to screw up a really good thing. The facts are the people and companies of Texas have made it a success in spite of their politicians. They are the ones who deserve the acclaim.

    Unfortunately, many well-intentioned commentators and respected conservative pundits on the national stage, who understand little or nothing about Texas and its state government, are more than willing to give Perry recognition for sustained success for which he deserves small credit.

  162. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Well, I think it might be time to switch gears, I was out in the garage and saw a poster board, it seems that when my Bride was in the attic, putting up the Christmas decorations, she brought it down, destined for the trash, I suppose? Hope not, it was a science project done by the Boy and to be honest, I’d forgot about it. The title; What type of line carries sound waves the best? Disclaimer; I’m NOT an audio engineer, my forte’ would be electronics and that would RF, NOT low frequency audio, although I do work with a couple of 300,000 watt audios amps these days.
    Materials; 1) Nylon String, 2) Cotton String, 3) Fishing Line, 4) Copper Wire, 5) Soup Cans.
    Results; Cotton string was best, Fishing Line was second, Nylon String was third, and the Copper Wire was the worst. (Remember SOUND WAVES, not electrical current)!
    MAN, I do miss those days, Daughter won her school twice and made second in the division once! 😀
    As a “side-bar” when the kids were in elementary school one of our ME’s at work asked me if I could come up with a science project for his Boy, so I came up with I = E over R, or basic DC theory, I designed a circuit with a battery and resistors in series/parallel with switches to short out some of the resistors to change the overall current. It had a volt meter and amp meter and banana jacks so you could move the meter to prove that your math worked. He won second place in his division in Pasadena. 😀

  163. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well, I think it might be time to switch gears, I was out in the garage and saw a poster board, it seems that when my Bride was in the attic, putting up the Christmas decorations, she brought it down, destined for the trash, I suppose? Hope not, it was a science project done by the Boy and to be honest, I’d forgot about it. The title; What type of line carries sound waves the best? Disclaimer; I’m NOT an audio engineer, my forte’ would be electronics and that would RF, NOT low frequency audio, although I do work with a couple of 300,000 watt audios amps these days.
    Materials; 1) Nylon String, 2) Cotton String, 3) Fishing Line, 4) Copper Wire, 5) Soup Cans.
    Results; Cotton string was best, Fishing Line was second, Nylon String was third, and the Copper Wire was the worst. (Remember SOUND WAVES, not electrical current)!
    MAN, I do miss those days, Daughter won her school twice and made second in the division once! 😀
    As a “side-bar” when the kids were in elementary school one of our ME’s at work asked me if I could come up with a science project for his Boy, so I came up with I = E over R, or basic DC theory, I designed a circuit with a battery and resistors in series/parallel with switches to short out some of the resistors to change the overall current. It had a volt meter and amp meter and banana jacks so you could move the meter to prove that your math worked. He won second place in his division in Pasadena. 😀

  164. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Texpat, I saw your post that said you got yourself DUG OUT man what a mess. I agree with you about Perry, I think he is the Consummate POLITICIAN, that is he take credit when thing go right and when it comes time to be re-elected he goes down to the boarder and make a few ads and now he’s the Marlborough Man. That said I voted for him,…him or Howdy Doody, SIGH. Texas and Alaska are the only two states in the red these days and he will take credit for that EVEN though he was for the state income tax franchise tax.

  165. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Texpat, I saw your post that said you got yourself DUG OUT man what a mess. I agree with you about Perry, I think he is the Consummate POLITICIAN, that is he take credit when thing go right and when it comes time to be re-elected he goes down to the boarder and make a few ads and now he’s the Marlborough Man. That said I voted for him,…him or Howdy Doody, SIGH. Texas and Alaska are the only two states in the red these days and he will take credit for that EVEN though he was for the state income tax franchise tax.

  166. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    About the science fairs, Daughter always came up with her own ideas while the Boy picked something off the suggestions list. Her first real good one was to decide which Zip-Lock bags were the best/strongest. So we went to Kroger’s and Randalls’ and bought their store brands and got Glad, Zip, lock etc. Now we had to figure out how to test them, so we filled them with X liters of water and put a 5 Gallon bucket on them and filled the bucket with rocks, one at a time. After they broke, we weighed the bucket with a bathroom scale. AND the winner is,…..drum-roll please…. Kroger!! The Glad bag held more weight before it broke, BUTT it started leaking water before it broke and the Kroger Brand didn’t!

    Her second winner was much better and She was a little older. She had become interested in photography because I was, so I taught her about shutter speeds, F-stops, depth of field, especially with macro and we took a bunch of pictures explaining each concept. The judges interviewed Her twice, (two levels) ! I was surprised that this subject would be that interesting. OK I’ve bored Y’all enough, I’ll go to my corner. 😉

  167. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    About the science fairs, Daughter always came up with her own ideas while the Boy picked something off the suggestions list. Her first real good one was to decide which Zip-Lock bags were the best/strongest. So we went to Kroger’s and Randalls’ and bought their store brands and got Glad, Zip, lock etc. Now we had to figure out how to test them, so we filled them with X liters of water and put a 5 Gallon bucket on them and filled the bucket with rocks, one at a time. After they broke, we weighed the bucket with a bathroom scale. AND the winner is,…..drum-roll please…. Kroger!! The Glad bag held more weight before it broke, BUTT it started leaking water before it broke and the Kroger Brand didn’t!

    Her second winner was much better and She was a little older. She had become interested in photography because I was, so I taught her about shutter speeds, F-stops, depth of field, especially with macro and we took a bunch of pictures explaining each concept. The judges interviewed Her twice, (two levels) ! I was surprised that this subject would be that interesting. OK I’ve bored Y’all enough, I’ll go to my corner. 😉

  168. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    high y’all 8)

    So much for the effectiveness of your war on drugs.

    btw, my pal thinks y’all are cute too.

    Now where did I put those darn Cheetos?

  169. bob42 Avatar

    high y’all 8)

    So much for the effectiveness of your war on drugs.

    btw, my pal thinks y’all are cute too.

    Now where did I put those darn Cheetos?

  170. meglettx Avatar

    #83. Were you listening to the program? If not, it had exactly nothing to do with Rick Perry or Dann Patrick.

    Geez.

  171. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    #83. Were you listening to the program? If not, it had exactly nothing to do with Rick Perry or Dann Patrick.

    Geez.

  172. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #91 Larry666,

    Dunno about Texpat, but I turned on KSEV when I saw your post. I heard Paul Betancourt’s voice which I assume is your “Tax Fraud”. Dunno what you are implying by that. I am using Paul’s company for prop tax protest and they have done wonders for me.

    I have no idea who you would label “head of the Repuke Party of Texas”. By the time I turned it on, they had just come out of 5 o’clock news and I didn’t know who had been on earlier.

    You might spell out what you mean for some of us dummies, so then you don’t have to chew us out for missing your brilliant points. Now here’s a smiley face to take the edge off my sharp comments. 😀

  173. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #91 Larry666,

    Dunno about Texpat, but I turned on KSEV when I saw your post. I heard Paul Betancourt’s voice which I assume is your “Tax Fraud”. Dunno what you are implying by that. I am using Paul’s company for prop tax protest and they have done wonders for me.

    I have no idea who you would label “head of the Repuke Party of Texas”. By the time I turned it on, they had just come out of 5 o’clock news and I didn’t know who had been on earlier.

    You might spell out what you mean for some of us dummies, so then you don’t have to chew us out for missing your brilliant points. Now here’s a smiley face to take the edge off my sharp comments. 😀

  174. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #87 et al, Super Dave

    Switch gears any time, I enjoyed your stories about your kids’ school science projects.

  175. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #87 et al, Super Dave

    Switch gears any time, I enjoyed your stories about your kids’ school science projects.

  176. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #90 B42

    Looks like Bob came up for air.

  177. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #90 B42

    Looks like Bob came up for air.

  178. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK,… Dave’s sleuthing now, first Bob says; As an anecdotal demonstration of that already well established fact, I’ll do so tonight as I visit a friend, watch a movie, and do seriously harm only to a bag of Cheetos.
    Don’t worry, I won’t be driving. I’m spending the night with her.
    Then later on there‘s this; btw, my pal thinks y’all are cute too.
    Now where did I put those darn Cheetos?
    Do ya’ think the Boy has a date? 😀 Dang Dammit I hope so,.. It would seem that he needs it! 😀
    BTW; I love ya’ Bob!

  179. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK,… Dave’s sleuthing now, first Bob says; As an anecdotal demonstration of that already well established fact, I’ll do so tonight as I visit a friend, watch a movie, and do seriously harm only to a bag of Cheetos.
    Don’t worry, I won’t be driving. I’m spending the night with her.
    Then later on there‘s this; btw, my pal thinks y’all are cute too.
    Now where did I put those darn Cheetos?
    Do ya’ think the Boy has a date? 😀 Dang Dammit I hope so,.. It would seem that he needs it! 😀
    BTW; I love ya’ Bob!

  180. Tedtam Avatar

    RE: science projects

    Lovely Daughter was doing a science project on albedo and its effect on ice. To test it, we measured out specific amounts of water into ice cube trays to get exactly equal sizes. Then we painted different colors on (I think) paper. When we went back in, we found that Hubby had used her control cubes in his tea. We measured and froze again, telling him not to use the ice. Again, he used the cubes for his personal gratification. AGAIN we made the special ice cubes (day three now, and deadline looming). We finally got to conduct the experiment, and put an ice cube on each colored surface in the sunshine and took pictures every ten minutes.

    The results were inconclusive, as we were dealing with a westerly breeze.

    The teacher insisted we include the problems with the ice cubes in the documentation, as they were part of the preparation and part of the story.

  181. Tedtam Avatar

    RE: science projects

    Lovely Daughter was doing a science project on albedo and its effect on ice. To test it, we measured out specific amounts of water into ice cube trays to get exactly equal sizes. Then we painted different colors on (I think) paper. When we went back in, we found that Hubby had used her control cubes in his tea. We measured and froze again, telling him not to use the ice. Again, he used the cubes for his personal gratification. AGAIN we made the special ice cubes (day three now, and deadline looming). We finally got to conduct the experiment, and put an ice cube on each colored surface in the sunshine and took pictures every ten minutes.

    The results were inconclusive, as we were dealing with a westerly breeze.

    The teacher insisted we include the problems with the ice cubes in the documentation, as they were part of the preparation and part of the story.

  182. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #82 Darren

    he’d probably get a arse kicked in middle and high school with that name

    Whew, missed being named Orstie by. That. Much.

    Colleague several years ago worked on a project in Norway for about 6 weeks when his wife was pregnant with their 2nd child. It was a boy and they named him Kai which is a popular male name in Norway. It rhymes with high. Our supervisor, an Aggie and native Texan, commented privately, that Kai is Norwegian for “Kick my a$$”.

  183. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #82 Darren

    he’d probably get a arse kicked in middle and high school with that name

    Whew, missed being named Orstie by. That. Much.

    Colleague several years ago worked on a project in Norway for about 6 weeks when his wife was pregnant with their 2nd child. It was a boy and they named him Kai which is a popular male name in Norway. It rhymes with high. Our supervisor, an Aggie and native Texan, commented privately, that Kai is Norwegian for “Kick my a$$”.

  184. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    #95
    SD

    You sleuth not enough buddy, the Cheetos reference I believe hints munchies abound. 😀

  185. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #95
    SD

    You sleuth not enough buddy, the Cheetos reference I believe hints munchies abound. 😀

  186. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    hunnert

  187. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    hunnert

  188. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Maybe we should just all go smoke a little dope this morning and forget all this worrying about the future of our country or our family or whatever. I hear that everything looks better when you all toked up.

  189. El Gordo Avatar

    Maybe we should just all go smoke a little dope this morning and forget all this worrying about the future of our country or our family or whatever. I hear that everything looks better when you all toked up.

  190. meglettx Avatar

    #92. That 666 tag is such a sweet touch!

    The “Tax Fraud” Bettencourt punched his conservative card with me when he pulled that election stunt knowing full well he was going into business immediately after the election, in the tax protest business no less! This from the same guy who very publicly heaped a lot of political scorn on a county judge, if I remember correctly, who did the same thing in a prior election.
    He had Steve Munisteri(sp) on the program, the head of the Republican Party of Texas, who responded to a poll showing the leading Republican Presidential candidates as 1) Huckabee 2) Romney 3) Gingrich 4) Palin. Granted it was a CNN poll, but it’s confirmation of my claim that the media will push a moderate Repuke candidate as a strategy to counter the true conservatives who they know won’t accept or vote for any of those top three and are O’s best hope. The guy was pushing a moderate Republican choice and started into the same old “we gotta vote for a Republican moderate because the alternative is so BBBBBBBAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDD”.

    I’m so sick of that kind of political tripe from the the Repuke establishment it makes me want to puke. To hell with that kind of thought process. That’s why I left the Repuke party years ago and will not fall for that tired old toopardeedoowopoly line.

    Bring on the third party.

    Relaxed enough yet for your likin’ there TP?

  191. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    #92. That 666 tag is such a sweet touch!

    The “Tax Fraud” Bettencourt punched his conservative card with me when he pulled that election stunt knowing full well he was going into business immediately after the election, in the tax protest business no less! This from the same guy who very publicly heaped a lot of political scorn on a county judge, if I remember correctly, who did the same thing in a prior election.
    He had Steve Munisteri(sp) on the program, the head of the Republican Party of Texas, who responded to a poll showing the leading Republican Presidential candidates as 1) Huckabee 2) Romney 3) Gingrich 4) Palin. Granted it was a CNN poll, but it’s confirmation of my claim that the media will push a moderate Repuke candidate as a strategy to counter the true conservatives who they know won’t accept or vote for any of those top three and are O’s best hope. The guy was pushing a moderate Republican choice and started into the same old “we gotta vote for a Republican moderate because the alternative is so BBBBBBBAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDD”.

    I’m so sick of that kind of political tripe from the the Repuke establishment it makes me want to puke. To hell with that kind of thought process. That’s why I left the Repuke party years ago and will not fall for that tired old toopardeedoowopoly line.

    Bring on the third party.

    Relaxed enough yet for your likin’ there TP?

  192. meglettx Avatar

    I have forgotten to give props:

    “toopardeedoowopoly” – another big word I learned from Hamous.

  193. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    I have forgotten to give props:

    “toopardeedoowopoly” – another big word I learned from Hamous.

  194. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #98 Tim

    hints munchies abound

    Not how I read it, Timber. The Cheetos were just a snack for watching the movie. I think the other munchies were for after the movie…

    It drives Bob nuts when we comment on his private life. Never occurs to him if he wouldn’t mention it in the first place, we wouldn’t even know about it.

  195. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #98 Tim

    hints munchies abound

    Not how I read it, Timber. The Cheetos were just a snack for watching the movie. I think the other munchies were for after the movie…

    It drives Bob nuts when we comment on his private life. Never occurs to him if he wouldn’t mention it in the first place, we wouldn’t even know about it.

  196. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #102 Larry666

    That 666 tag is such a sweet touch!

    You are welcome.

  197. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #102 Larry666

    That 666 tag is such a sweet touch!

    You are welcome.

  198. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Dreary 61 with light mist at 6, then just dreary. A real Murkwood scene now, yard lights on, light rain pattering, blanketing gray sky. But it is welcome rain however slow. The few woodsy creatures out earlier have taken to their hidey holes. A good day to be inside if you can.

    Bring on January 5th.

  199. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Dreary 61 with light mist at 6, then just dreary. A real Murkwood scene now, yard lights on, light rain pattering, blanketing gray sky. But it is welcome rain however slow. The few woodsy creatures out earlier have taken to their hidey holes. A good day to be inside if you can.

    Bring on January 5th.

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