Open Comments – Monday Christmas Aftermath Edition

I came across this interesting story last night.

In early 1934, Clarence Hickman, a Bell Labs engineer, had a secret machine, about six feet tall, standing in his office. It was a device without equal in the world, decades ahead of its time. If you called and there was no answer on the phone line to which Hickman’s invention was connected, the machine would beep and a recording device would come on allowing the caller to leave a message.

Why was this so earthshaking a find?

The genius at the heart of Hickman’s secret proto–answering machine was not so much the concept- perceptive of social change as that was-but rather the technical principle that made it work and that would, eventually, transform the world: magnetic recording tape. Recall that before magnetic storage there was no way to store sound other than by pressing a record or making a piano roll. The new technology would not only usher in audio cassettes and videotapes, but when used with the silicon chip, make computer storage a reality. Indeed, from the 1980s onward, firms from Microsoft to Google, and by implication the whole world, would become utterly dependent on magnetic storage, otherwise known as the hard drive.

But what happened to this invention?

What’s interesting is that Hickman’s invention in the 1930s would not be ” discovered” until the 1990s. For soon after Hickman had demonstrated his invention, AT&T ordered the Labs to cease all research into magnetic storage, and Hickman’s research was suppressed and concealed for more than sixty years, coming to light only when the historian Mark Clark came across Hickman’s laboratory notebook in the Bell archives.

/snip

But why would company management bury such an important and commercially valuable discovery? What were they afraid of? The answer, rather surreal, is evident in the corporate memoranda, also unearthed by Clark, imposing the research ban. AT&T firmly believed that the answering machine, and its magnetic tapes, would lead the public to abandon the telephone.

It makes me wonder what else is out there, being suppressed by the idea of protecting the corporate creators, or possibly by political correctness?

How would our lives be different?
How would they be the same?
And how much further along would we be if this invention had been allowed to come to fruition? Would we be on other planets by now? How would our politics be different?

Would my husband actually be comfortable with email? Forget email, would he at least be able to turn on a computer?

Comments

127 responses to “Open Comments – Monday Christmas Aftermath Edition”

  1. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Mornin’ Gang!

  2. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Mornin’ Gang!

  3. Hamous Avatar

    Good Morning and Shalom Y’all.
    My big question(s):
    1) Does anyone else have a question about freon? Isn’t it coincidental that they found that freon was destructive to the ozone layer (even though they could never replicate the destruction in the controlled environment of a lab) right about the same time that duPont’s patent was to expire and then SHAZAM duPont came up with a replacement?
    2) Catalytic converters on cars were first introduced in the mid 1970’s. Back then all but the exotics had carburated engines and were not the cleanest critter made. The cat’s were there to burn the unburned fuel in the exhaust-stream. Now almost all cars have electronic fuel injection and spark control, these adjust the fuel/air mixture and spark timing over 100 times per second and the engines produce great power/displacement and are very efficient. The fuel air mixture is about as correct as it can get. Why do we still need cat-cons?
    3) Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring compound and life on earth would cease without it. There has been ZERO scientific evidence that man produced CO2 has any effect what-so-ever on our climate. Why are we still even thinking about CO2 caps?? If man produced CO2 is causing our planet to warm, what then is causing MARS to warm? What is the only thing in common between Mars and Earth. . . . . . . .THE SUN! Output from the sun is not constant, therefore as the output from the sun varies so does our climate as well as the Martian climate. We, as humans, do not have the capacity yet to have any effect on the solar output – SO LETS GET SOME SANITY IN DC.
    4) Does anyone else here choke on the hypocrisy of wanting to end our “addiction to foreign oil” and the constant banning/meddling of oil exploration here in our own territorial waters?

  4. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Good Morning and Shalom Y’all.
    My big question(s):
    1) Does anyone else have a question about freon? Isn’t it coincidental that they found that freon was destructive to the ozone layer (even though they could never replicate the destruction in the controlled environment of a lab) right about the same time that duPont’s patent was to expire and then SHAZAM duPont came up with a replacement?
    2) Catalytic converters on cars were first introduced in the mid 1970’s. Back then all but the exotics had carburated engines and were not the cleanest critter made. The cat’s were there to burn the unburned fuel in the exhaust-stream. Now almost all cars have electronic fuel injection and spark control, these adjust the fuel/air mixture and spark timing over 100 times per second and the engines produce great power/displacement and are very efficient. The fuel air mixture is about as correct as it can get. Why do we still need cat-cons?
    3) Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring compound and life on earth would cease without it. There has been ZERO scientific evidence that man produced CO2 has any effect what-so-ever on our climate. Why are we still even thinking about CO2 caps?? If man produced CO2 is causing our planet to warm, what then is causing MARS to warm? What is the only thing in common between Mars and Earth. . . . . . . .THE SUN! Output from the sun is not constant, therefore as the output from the sun varies so does our climate as well as the Martian climate. We, as humans, do not have the capacity yet to have any effect on the solar output – SO LETS GET SOME SANITY IN DC.
    4) Does anyone else here choke on the hypocrisy of wanting to end our “addiction to foreign oil” and the constant banning/meddling of oil exploration here in our own territorial waters?

  5. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    RE: inventions

    Well we all know there’s been a 100 mpg carburetor out there for decades but Big Oil and Big Auto is suppressin’ it’s development! 😀

  6. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    RE: inventions

    Well we all know there’s been a 100 mpg carburetor out there for decades but Big Oil and Big Auto is suppressin’ it’s development! 😀

  7. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    I know there is an invention out there where we don’t have to work…….wait, the Democrats stole it!

  8. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I know there is an invention out there where we don’t have to work…….wait, the Democrats stole it!

  9. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I had an Uncle who was an inventor. He had a brilliant mind, but no stick-to-it-tiveness. Here’s a list of things he invented and quit before perfecting:

    6 Up
    Motel 5
    WD 39
    A candy called “Good and Just Enough”
    Formula 408
    A script called “6 Brides for 6 Brothers”

  10. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I had an Uncle who was an inventor. He had a brilliant mind, but no stick-to-it-tiveness. Here’s a list of things he invented and quit before perfecting:

    6 Up
    Motel 5
    WD 39
    A candy called “Good and Just Enough”
    Formula 408
    A script called “6 Brides for 6 Brothers”

  11. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    In this day and time, one of the old sayings (or maybe it’s one of the new sayings) is that “information seeks release.” Thus we have Wikileaks, for better or for worse. If our government is telling me things are bad, and the actual data shows that things are good, I can then make up my own mind. If someone out there has a better mousetrap, it’s difficult if not impossible to squash it today. Of course, it also allows for a lot of misinformation to come out such as (1) superbowl Sunday is the most popular wife beating day; or (2) tomatoes from Mexico will kill you; or (3) bird flu will kill everyone; or (4) global warming will kill everyone on the planet by 2011; or (4) Obama is a good President, but is so intellectually superior to the rest of us that we cannot fully appreciate our good fortune to have him; (or) Letterman, Leno, and Lebowitz are funny…you get the drift.

    Coast to Coast at night offers some pretty good insight into some of these issues while Alex Jones bolsters some pretty good similar theories as well.

  12. El Gordo Avatar

    In this day and time, one of the old sayings (or maybe it’s one of the new sayings) is that “information seeks release.” Thus we have Wikileaks, for better or for worse. If our government is telling me things are bad, and the actual data shows that things are good, I can then make up my own mind. If someone out there has a better mousetrap, it’s difficult if not impossible to squash it today. Of course, it also allows for a lot of misinformation to come out such as (1) superbowl Sunday is the most popular wife beating day; or (2) tomatoes from Mexico will kill you; or (3) bird flu will kill everyone; or (4) global warming will kill everyone on the planet by 2011; or (4) Obama is a good President, but is so intellectually superior to the rest of us that we cannot fully appreciate our good fortune to have him; (or) Letterman, Leno, and Lebowitz are funny…you get the drift.

    Coast to Coast at night offers some pretty good insight into some of these issues while Alex Jones bolsters some pretty good similar theories as well.

  13. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Coast to Coast at night offers some pretty good insight into some of these issues while Alex Jones bolsters some pretty good similar theories as well.

    Dang.

    And you were doing so well.

  14. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Coast to Coast at night offers some pretty good insight into some of these issues while Alex Jones bolsters some pretty good similar theories as well.

    Dang.

    And you were doing so well.

  15. Tedtam Avatar

    Signs of the times.

    No more ribbons for excellence, I suppose.

  16. Tedtam Avatar

    Signs of the times.

    No more ribbons for excellence, I suppose.

  17. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Heh. El Gordo had his Debra Medina moment?

  18. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Heh. El Gordo had his Debra Medina moment?

  19. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    This is a part of an article I did on the 50th anniversary of the invention of the disk drive:

    In September 1956, International Business Machines announced the availability of a new business machine — A machine that employed a revolutionary method of storing and accessing large amounts of data. It was recorded on a disk.

    In some ways, it was not a new concept. The idea of reading magnetic media in a manner similar to the act of lifting a phonograph’s stylus and moving it to a different song was very desirable at the time because doing so would free accounting machines and early computing systems from the restriction of reading data sequentially. The ability to store data on disks would also enable far more space efficiency, similar to the way phonograph records held much more music than Thomas Edison’s original cylinder based phonograph. Before the invention of the disk drive, many systems used drum storage. In drum storage, a rapidly rotating cylinder is surrounded by an array of fixed heads. Drum storage was expensive because of the 1:1 head to track ratio. And like Edison’s cylinder phonograph, drum storage was not very efficient in space usage. Using disks instead of drums was desirable, but not do-able until a small group of IBM engineers developed the first disk drive.

    The effort began in 1952 in an inconspicuous rented building on Notre Dame Avenue in San Jose, and reached fruition four years later when the IBM 350 Disk Storage device was announced. The IBM 350 was an integral component of the new RAMAC 305 System, providing the first words of the acronym for Random Access Method of Accounting and Control. Also announced in September of 1956, the nearly identical IBM 355 disk drive was able to attach to the drum based IBM 650 Data Processing Machine, and significantly improved the performance of that already popular system.

    Prior to the development of a working disk drive, state of the art accounting machines and early computing systems shared a common aspect — Data was processed sequentially, and it was typically read from punched cards or tape (paper and magnetic.) Finding a specific piece of data among thousands of others was impractical because it entailed “finding the needle in a haystack” by closely examining each piece of hay to determine if it might be the needle. In essence, the ability to randomly access large amounts of data allowed accounting machines and computers to skip the hay and go directly to the needle. It was an innovative leap in technology, and its impact on the IT industry and society in general has been astounding.
    Specs:
    Tracks per inch: 20
    Head to disk spacing 800 microinches
    Disk diameter: 24 inches
    Spindle speed:1200 RPM
    Transfer rate: 8.8KB/sec
    Avg Seek time: 600 miliseconds

  20. bob42 Avatar

    This is a part of an article I did on the 50th anniversary of the invention of the disk drive:

    In September 1956, International Business Machines announced the availability of a new business machine — A machine that employed a revolutionary method of storing and accessing large amounts of data. It was recorded on a disk.

    In some ways, it was not a new concept. The idea of reading magnetic media in a manner similar to the act of lifting a phonograph’s stylus and moving it to a different song was very desirable at the time because doing so would free accounting machines and early computing systems from the restriction of reading data sequentially. The ability to store data on disks would also enable far more space efficiency, similar to the way phonograph records held much more music than Thomas Edison’s original cylinder based phonograph. Before the invention of the disk drive, many systems used drum storage. In drum storage, a rapidly rotating cylinder is surrounded by an array of fixed heads. Drum storage was expensive because of the 1:1 head to track ratio. And like Edison’s cylinder phonograph, drum storage was not very efficient in space usage. Using disks instead of drums was desirable, but not do-able until a small group of IBM engineers developed the first disk drive.

    The effort began in 1952 in an inconspicuous rented building on Notre Dame Avenue in San Jose, and reached fruition four years later when the IBM 350 Disk Storage device was announced. The IBM 350 was an integral component of the new RAMAC 305 System, providing the first words of the acronym for Random Access Method of Accounting and Control. Also announced in September of 1956, the nearly identical IBM 355 disk drive was able to attach to the drum based IBM 650 Data Processing Machine, and significantly improved the performance of that already popular system.

    Prior to the development of a working disk drive, state of the art accounting machines and early computing systems shared a common aspect — Data was processed sequentially, and it was typically read from punched cards or tape (paper and magnetic.) Finding a specific piece of data among thousands of others was impractical because it entailed “finding the needle in a haystack” by closely examining each piece of hay to determine if it might be the needle. In essence, the ability to randomly access large amounts of data allowed accounting machines and computers to skip the hay and go directly to the needle. It was an innovative leap in technology, and its impact on the IT industry and society in general has been astounding.
    Specs:
    Tracks per inch: 20
    Head to disk spacing 800 microinches
    Disk diameter: 24 inches
    Spindle speed:1200 RPM
    Transfer rate: 8.8KB/sec
    Avg Seek time: 600 miliseconds

  21. Tedtam Avatar

    I remember punch cards. Dad used to bring a suitcase full of those home from work. We kids would sit on the floor with piles of them, sorting them out for him. We used punch cards for a few programs in my first programming class at college.

    I remember the big floppies, and what an advance we thought the 3.5″ floppies were, even though I found the 8 character file naming a PIA. I was working for a consultant/trainer about the time that CDs came out, and she raved about how convenient they were.

    Now we have USB drives capable of holding so much more data than the CDs. What does tomorrow hold? I’m hearing rumors of molecular computers…but how will my fingers fit on the keys? Human structure imposes some limitations – until we figure out how to do without keys.

  22. Tedtam Avatar

    I remember punch cards. Dad used to bring a suitcase full of those home from work. We kids would sit on the floor with piles of them, sorting them out for him. We used punch cards for a few programs in my first programming class at college.

    I remember the big floppies, and what an advance we thought the 3.5″ floppies were, even though I found the 8 character file naming a PIA. I was working for a consultant/trainer about the time that CDs came out, and she raved about how convenient they were.

    Now we have USB drives capable of holding so much more data than the CDs. What does tomorrow hold? I’m hearing rumors of molecular computers…but how will my fingers fit on the keys? Human structure imposes some limitations – until we figure out how to do without keys.

  23. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    If you can’t tell when my snarker is turned on (C to C; Alex Jones) then I guess I need to do a little better job of laying it out.

  24. El Gordo Avatar

    If you can’t tell when my snarker is turned on (C to C; Alex Jones) then I guess I need to do a little better job of laying it out.

  25. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I remember punch cards. Dad used to bring a suitcase full of those home from work. We kids would sit on the floor with piles of them, sorting them out for him. We used punch cards for a few programs in my first programming class at college.

    We used punched paper tape for and punch cards in the crypto gear when I was in the Army. The paper tape was to get the message into transitable form, and the punch cards contained the encryption control.

    I saw my first word processing software in 1978 at Fort Gordon, GA. Its main intent was to “spell check” the headers and footers for encoded messages. You could get anything you wanted wrong in the body of the message, but if there was anything wrong with the headers or footers, your Comm Center was going to get a visit from a Brass Hat out of Ft. Huachuca, and somebody was going to lose thier job.

  26. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I remember punch cards. Dad used to bring a suitcase full of those home from work. We kids would sit on the floor with piles of them, sorting them out for him. We used punch cards for a few programs in my first programming class at college.

    We used punched paper tape for and punch cards in the crypto gear when I was in the Army. The paper tape was to get the message into transitable form, and the punch cards contained the encryption control.

    I saw my first word processing software in 1978 at Fort Gordon, GA. Its main intent was to “spell check” the headers and footers for encoded messages. You could get anything you wanted wrong in the body of the message, but if there was anything wrong with the headers or footers, your Comm Center was going to get a visit from a Brass Hat out of Ft. Huachuca, and somebody was going to lose thier job.

  27. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Oh what the heck, here’s part two of the article:

    The fiftieth anniversary of the disk drive’s invention has received much publicity, and it deserves it. Many articles and news reports on the subject compare early disk drives to contemporary implementations of disk storage technology, such as those found in PCs, handheld devices, and even audio/video equipment. A recent article compared advancements in disk storage technology to the automotive industry:

    “A car in 1956 cost about $2,500, could hold five people, weighed a ton, and could go as fast as 100 mph. If the auto industry had kept the same pace as disk drives, a car today would cost less than $25, hold 160,000 people, weigh half a pound and travel up to 940 mph.”

    But such a comparison isn’t really fair to the car or the disk drive. The utility of an automobile begins and ends with its ability to move a number of people from point A to point B, and this design requirement has remained constant throughout the history of the automotive industry.

    The invention of the disk drive not only provided an effective solution for existing needs, it paved the way for many additional advances in information technology. The concept of stored program computing flourished with the speedy access to large amounts of data provided by the disk drive. More recently, the desire for real time access to massive amounts of data stored on disk drives around the world was part of the motivation behind the development of the Internet.

    In 1956, Elvis Presley’s “You Ain’t Nothing But a Hound Dog” was a very popular song. Today, a typical MP3 encoding of that gold record would consume nearly half the capacity of IBM’s first disk drive. But this is another apples to oranges comparison. In 1956, the ability to access any single record from the equivalent of over 62,000 punched cards, in seconds rather than many minutes, excited the fledgling IT industry almost as much as The King excited his fans. If achievements in information technology were recognized in the same manner as those in the music industry, IBM’s new disk drive would have reached gold status soon after its release. And it would have become platinum in the years to follow, for it marked the beginning of what has grown to be a 30 billion dollar slice of the information technology pie.

    The team of developers that overcame the numerous engineering challenges associated with reliably reading and writing data by moving a head over a spinning platter certainly don’t look like “rebels” (or Elvis Presley for that matter.) But there is no doubt that the product they invented had, and continues to have, a revolutionary effect on the information technology industry, as well as the people that rely on it for everything from business transactions to entertainment.

    In 1986, the leader of the development team, Reynold Johnson, received the National Medal of Technology from the President of the United States, along with this citation:

    For the introduction and development of magnetic disk storage for computers that provided access to virtually unlimited amounts of information in fractions of a second and is the basis for time sharing systems and storage of millions of records. Over $10 billion in annual sales and over 100,000 jobs arose from his contributions.

  28. bob42 Avatar

    Oh what the heck, here’s part two of the article:

    The fiftieth anniversary of the disk drive’s invention has received much publicity, and it deserves it. Many articles and news reports on the subject compare early disk drives to contemporary implementations of disk storage technology, such as those found in PCs, handheld devices, and even audio/video equipment. A recent article compared advancements in disk storage technology to the automotive industry:

    “A car in 1956 cost about $2,500, could hold five people, weighed a ton, and could go as fast as 100 mph. If the auto industry had kept the same pace as disk drives, a car today would cost less than $25, hold 160,000 people, weigh half a pound and travel up to 940 mph.”

    But such a comparison isn’t really fair to the car or the disk drive. The utility of an automobile begins and ends with its ability to move a number of people from point A to point B, and this design requirement has remained constant throughout the history of the automotive industry.

    The invention of the disk drive not only provided an effective solution for existing needs, it paved the way for many additional advances in information technology. The concept of stored program computing flourished with the speedy access to large amounts of data provided by the disk drive. More recently, the desire for real time access to massive amounts of data stored on disk drives around the world was part of the motivation behind the development of the Internet.

    In 1956, Elvis Presley’s “You Ain’t Nothing But a Hound Dog” was a very popular song. Today, a typical MP3 encoding of that gold record would consume nearly half the capacity of IBM’s first disk drive. But this is another apples to oranges comparison. In 1956, the ability to access any single record from the equivalent of over 62,000 punched cards, in seconds rather than many minutes, excited the fledgling IT industry almost as much as The King excited his fans. If achievements in information technology were recognized in the same manner as those in the music industry, IBM’s new disk drive would have reached gold status soon after its release. And it would have become platinum in the years to follow, for it marked the beginning of what has grown to be a 30 billion dollar slice of the information technology pie.

    The team of developers that overcame the numerous engineering challenges associated with reliably reading and writing data by moving a head over a spinning platter certainly don’t look like “rebels” (or Elvis Presley for that matter.) But there is no doubt that the product they invented had, and continues to have, a revolutionary effect on the information technology industry, as well as the people that rely on it for everything from business transactions to entertainment.

    In 1986, the leader of the development team, Reynold Johnson, received the National Medal of Technology from the President of the United States, along with this citation:

    For the introduction and development of magnetic disk storage for computers that provided access to virtually unlimited amounts of information in fractions of a second and is the basis for time sharing systems and storage of millions of records. Over $10 billion in annual sales and over 100,000 jobs arose from his contributions.

  29. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Heh. El Gordo had his Debra Medina moment?

    Went from cogently inciteful to bat shizzle in about 2 micro milliseconds.

    Never seen it happen quite that fast.

  30. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Heh. El Gordo had his Debra Medina moment?

    Went from cogently inciteful to bat shizzle in about 2 micro milliseconds.

    Never seen it happen quite that fast.

  31. Hamous Avatar

    #11 TT: When I went to UofH in the first 1/2 of the 80’s ( I managed to cram 4 years of college into 7) we still had to use punch cards (1984 or so) to enter the first program. To edit we could use the keyboard and monitor. I remember being REALLY WISSEDOFF about having to mess with those blasted cards when they were no longer used anywhere in business; only the feds in govt to print checks; and they still print checks on computer cards.

  32. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #11 TT: When I went to UofH in the first 1/2 of the 80’s ( I managed to cram 4 years of college into 7) we still had to use punch cards (1984 or so) to enter the first program. To edit we could use the keyboard and monitor. I remember being REALLY WISSEDOFF about having to mess with those blasted cards when they were no longer used anywhere in business; only the feds in govt to print checks; and they still print checks on computer cards.

  33. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #12 Well, I for one, got it.

  34. Hamous Avatar

    #12 Well, I for one, got it.

  35. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Went from cogently inciteful to bat shizzle in about 2 micro milliseconds.

    Never seen it happen quite that fast.

    Ach.

    A couple of posts back I suddenly remembered who holds that record.

  36. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Went from cogently inciteful to bat shizzle in about 2 micro milliseconds.

    Never seen it happen quite that fast.

    Ach.

    A couple of posts back I suddenly remembered who holds that record.

  37. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Boney 2 & GJT 3,

    The problem is not the carburator (does anyone still use them?), but rather the efficiency limitations of diesels, gasoline recips, and gas turbines, which hover around the high forties in terms of energy in versus energy output.

    You would be mistaken to think that any one of the companies are holding something back. Putting out an engine with an increase of 10 percentage points would be a major breakthru worth billions.

    Most of the conspiracy myths never take into account the absolute cut throat competition betweens the various players in the driver business.

    Simple

  38. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Boney 2 & GJT 3,

    The problem is not the carburator (does anyone still use them?), but rather the efficiency limitations of diesels, gasoline recips, and gas turbines, which hover around the high forties in terms of energy in versus energy output.

    You would be mistaken to think that any one of the companies are holding something back. Putting out an engine with an increase of 10 percentage points would be a major breakthru worth billions.

    Most of the conspiracy myths never take into account the absolute cut throat competition betweens the various players in the driver business.

    Simple

  39. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    18 Hamous says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:46 am
    #12 Well, I for one, got it.

    I did too.

    Just moving it along a bit.

  40. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    18 Hamous says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:46 am
    #12 Well, I for one, got it.

    I did too.

    Just moving it along a bit.

  41. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    When I took FORTRAN in college, we used 80 column cards, along with an IBM 1130 drum based single tasking system. You had to schedule time on to test your programs. Two semesters later, when I took BASIC, the academic computing center got a “state of the art” system that supported multiple users at terminals.

    Meanwhile, registration was still done using punched cards, with each card representing 1 seat in a class. All of the colleges rocessing was done on a 20 year old mainframe (System/360.)

    When I started working in the IT industry, my 3 largest clients all still used card readers and punches to some degree. I packed up the last of them in 1989, and was glad to see them go. So were my clients.

  42. bob42 Avatar

    When I took FORTRAN in college, we used 80 column cards, along with an IBM 1130 drum based single tasking system. You had to schedule time on to test your programs. Two semesters later, when I took BASIC, the academic computing center got a “state of the art” system that supported multiple users at terminals.

    Meanwhile, registration was still done using punched cards, with each card representing 1 seat in a class. All of the colleges rocessing was done on a 20 year old mainframe (System/360.)

    When I started working in the IT industry, my 3 largest clients all still used card readers and punches to some degree. I packed up the last of them in 1989, and was glad to see them go. So were my clients.

  43. Hamous Avatar

    #20 Simple: Cat-cons are mandated by law. They were first instituted in the 70’s when cars generally ran much dirtier than today. The big question is are they still necessary given that EFI engines run so much more cleanly? How much fuel is wasted by the restriction imposed by this device? If the goal is increased miles per gallon and cleaner emissions, is the cat-con now standing in the way?
    Have you seen this critter, the quasiturbine engine?
    or how about this one, a continuosly variable transmission called a hydristor. The inventor, Tom Kasmer, claims that it is so efficient (95+%) that it does not need a trans cooler.
    Imagine pairing the two above.

  44. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #20 Simple: Cat-cons are mandated by law. They were first instituted in the 70’s when cars generally ran much dirtier than today. The big question is are they still necessary given that EFI engines run so much more cleanly? How much fuel is wasted by the restriction imposed by this device? If the goal is increased miles per gallon and cleaner emissions, is the cat-con now standing in the way?
    Have you seen this critter, the quasiturbine engine?
    or how about this one, a continuosly variable transmission called a hydristor. The inventor, Tom Kasmer, claims that it is so efficient (95+%) that it does not need a trans cooler.
    Imagine pairing the two above.

  45. Tedtam Avatar

    Again, Ann Coulter nails it. I don’t miss Shammy at all; maybe I should give Ann his contact information. They can argue this issue in a place far, far away from here.

  46. Tedtam Avatar

    Again, Ann Coulter nails it. I don’t miss Shammy at all; maybe I should give Ann his contact information. They can argue this issue in a place far, far away from here.

  47. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I had the strangest dream last night. I dreamed that I was a catalytic converter. Naturally, I woke up this morning feeling exhausted.

  48. bob42 Avatar

    I had the strangest dream last night. I dreamed that I was a catalytic converter. Naturally, I woke up this morning feeling exhausted.

  49. Tedtam Avatar

    #22 Bob42

    I, too, took Fortran in college. My professor was a rather short guy who was flown in once a week to teach the class on Wednesday nights. He used to program for the Pentagon. We were the only class to program linear linked lists. He also gave us a brief overview of how missile guidance systems worked. He was pretty cool, except that he scheduled a major test the day of Bonfire. Not being an Aggie, he didn’t realize how important that event was. Since the class was 3 hours long, he usually taught for an hour and a half, gave us a 10 minute break, then taught the remainder of the class.

    The night of the test, he gave us the test first. After break time, no one went back. He was just a little wissed off. We heard about it the next week.

    We didn’t use punch cards for his class. By that time, a mini computer had been donated to the business school, so we had limitless budgets to run our programs, and a room full of monitors on which to work. My punch card usage was limited to my BAna (business analysis) class, where we punched variables in on the punch cards and used a pre-punched program to run our results.

  50. Tedtam Avatar

    #22 Bob42

    I, too, took Fortran in college. My professor was a rather short guy who was flown in once a week to teach the class on Wednesday nights. He used to program for the Pentagon. We were the only class to program linear linked lists. He also gave us a brief overview of how missile guidance systems worked. He was pretty cool, except that he scheduled a major test the day of Bonfire. Not being an Aggie, he didn’t realize how important that event was. Since the class was 3 hours long, he usually taught for an hour and a half, gave us a 10 minute break, then taught the remainder of the class.

    The night of the test, he gave us the test first. After break time, no one went back. He was just a little wissed off. We heard about it the next week.

    We didn’t use punch cards for his class. By that time, a mini computer had been donated to the business school, so we had limitless budgets to run our programs, and a room full of monitors on which to work. My punch card usage was limited to my BAna (business analysis) class, where we punched variables in on the punch cards and used a pre-punched program to run our results.

  51. Hamous Avatar

    #24 TT: I miss that guy about like the dry heaves. Ann Coulter’s columns are one of the highlights of my week.

  52. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #24 TT: I miss that guy about like the dry heaves. Ann Coulter’s columns are one of the highlights of my week.

  53. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    THIS IS COOL! 3D TV without glasses.

  54. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    More history… One of the first weekend tasks I did was to double the memory on a 2000 user mainframe system. It took two techs most of a day to install the upgrade, which consisted of 32 memory cards and 200 pounds of water cooled power supplies. It cost over $200,000 but the system ran much faster with 64MB than with 32MB.

    Given the advances in hardware and software, the IT industry is not as lucrative as it used to be. Programmers used to be fairly well paid. Now teenagers can crank out code for next to nothing. Hardware techs had to have near electrical engineering level skill to diagnose bugs, and near mechanical engineering level skill to replace some of the components. Now computers are more modular and easily repaired than ever.

    I’m not sure that I would advise a young person to make it a career these days.

  55. bob42 Avatar

    More history… One of the first weekend tasks I did was to double the memory on a 2000 user mainframe system. It took two techs most of a day to install the upgrade, which consisted of 32 memory cards and 200 pounds of water cooled power supplies. It cost over $200,000 but the system ran much faster with 64MB than with 32MB.

    Given the advances in hardware and software, the IT industry is not as lucrative as it used to be. Programmers used to be fairly well paid. Now teenagers can crank out code for next to nothing. Hardware techs had to have near electrical engineering level skill to diagnose bugs, and near mechanical engineering level skill to replace some of the components. Now computers are more modular and easily repaired than ever.

    I’m not sure that I would advise a young person to make it a career these days.

  56. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Our handy little weather station says it was 25 out here about 4 am; it was 26 at 6. The walk to the barn was brisk. A light layer of ice was in the mares’ bucket edges, but they could drink from open water in the middle. Outside all was white lacy ground and rooftops, fences, trees, and even the newspaper sleeve in the driveway. A flock of mourning doves appeared soon after Sunrise and checked out breakfast in the back yard and pasture.
    Bread pieces I threw out yesterday afternoon probably fed the nocturnal critters.

    Did not check the tanks in the pastures to see if hammer technology was required, though it was not likely below freezing long enough. An aside, when you break up ice in buckets or tanks with a hammer, you soon have an ice festooned hammer. When finished, you simply place it in a sheltered sunny spot and let the ice melt. Trying to chip it off is not productive and is a waste of time; taking the hammer inside makes a mess shortly. We do not envy those who keep horses in the frozen north, having visited friends in the winter several times over the years. A “heated barn” there is 55 degrees max, and likely for some anything above freezing meets the definition.

  57. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Our handy little weather station says it was 25 out here about 4 am; it was 26 at 6. The walk to the barn was brisk. A light layer of ice was in the mares’ bucket edges, but they could drink from open water in the middle. Outside all was white lacy ground and rooftops, fences, trees, and even the newspaper sleeve in the driveway. A flock of mourning doves appeared soon after Sunrise and checked out breakfast in the back yard and pasture.
    Bread pieces I threw out yesterday afternoon probably fed the nocturnal critters.

    Did not check the tanks in the pastures to see if hammer technology was required, though it was not likely below freezing long enough. An aside, when you break up ice in buckets or tanks with a hammer, you soon have an ice festooned hammer. When finished, you simply place it in a sheltered sunny spot and let the ice melt. Trying to chip it off is not productive and is a waste of time; taking the hammer inside makes a mess shortly. We do not envy those who keep horses in the frozen north, having visited friends in the winter several times over the years. A “heated barn” there is 55 degrees max, and likely for some anything above freezing meets the definition.

  58. Tedtam Avatar

    Even though I covered my garden, I lost my basil and my lilies, possibly my orchid tree. That poor orchid tree – this was the third “kill” on that poor thing.

    Lettuce and kale are looking good, though.

  59. Tedtam Avatar

    Even though I covered my garden, I lost my basil and my lilies, possibly my orchid tree. That poor orchid tree – this was the third “kill” on that poor thing.

    Lettuce and kale are looking good, though.

  60. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    GJT #100 (yesterday);

    My system is a patch together with each part being the best I can afford at the time which in the past 3 yrs has been zero.

    That’s perfectly understandable. In HT forums I’ve said that I’d love product “x” but the kids have to eat first. You should never spend money you don’t have on HT. In the end it’s just “stuff”. Stick with the manual volume manipulations, you’ll get it eventually.

    If you eventually decide to upgrade your fronts and center, you can always let me know. I’ll throw out my suggestions.

  61. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    GJT #100 (yesterday);

    My system is a patch together with each part being the best I can afford at the time which in the past 3 yrs has been zero.

    That’s perfectly understandable. In HT forums I’ve said that I’d love product “x” but the kids have to eat first. You should never spend money you don’t have on HT. In the end it’s just “stuff”. Stick with the manual volume manipulations, you’ll get it eventually.

    If you eventually decide to upgrade your fronts and center, you can always let me know. I’ll throw out my suggestions.

  62. Tedtam Avatar

    I’m putting together my resume, and I’m not sure how to handle my background. My IT experience isn’t too helpful in today’s market, being twelve years old. I’m a dinosaur in that area. My goodness, it’s full of mainframe references! Fortunately, I’ve saved a few copies of my resume, but I haven’t pulled it out since I went to work with Hubby. I’d forgotten half of what I did, and still can’t remember how I did it all! I don’t want to go back into the IT field, even as much as I enjoyed it; there’s no way I could keep up with it now. I shall focus on my communication and organizational skills instead.

    I’m looking for a PT evening position, until we get ourselves solvent again. This economy has screwed us up big time. It’s hard to keep a business open when your customers disappear overnight.

    One big problem will be my Wednesday evening commitment to teach at church. I don’t know how I’m going to handle that one – there’s no one willing to take my place that I know of. We scratch for catechists every year, and I don’t know of anyone willing to take my class.

    If ya’ll know of anything, please let me know. Maybe evening receptionist or something like that. Those who know me KNOW I can talk!

  63. Tedtam Avatar

    I’m putting together my resume, and I’m not sure how to handle my background. My IT experience isn’t too helpful in today’s market, being twelve years old. I’m a dinosaur in that area. My goodness, it’s full of mainframe references! Fortunately, I’ve saved a few copies of my resume, but I haven’t pulled it out since I went to work with Hubby. I’d forgotten half of what I did, and still can’t remember how I did it all! I don’t want to go back into the IT field, even as much as I enjoyed it; there’s no way I could keep up with it now. I shall focus on my communication and organizational skills instead.

    I’m looking for a PT evening position, until we get ourselves solvent again. This economy has screwed us up big time. It’s hard to keep a business open when your customers disappear overnight.

    One big problem will be my Wednesday evening commitment to teach at church. I don’t know how I’m going to handle that one – there’s no one willing to take my place that I know of. We scratch for catechists every year, and I don’t know of anyone willing to take my class.

    If ya’ll know of anything, please let me know. Maybe evening receptionist or something like that. Those who know me KNOW I can talk!

  64. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    texpat, If you’re lurking, I hope you can dig out, I just saw this headline; 31.8″ snow in Elizabeth, NJ.!! 🙁

  65. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    texpat, If you’re lurking, I hope you can dig out, I just saw this headline; 31.8″ snow in Elizabeth, NJ.!! 🙁

  66. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    23, Boney,

    I have been working on Turbines for nearly thirty years as an Engineer; therefore I assure you that if we could get 95% efficiency (without WHRS Cogen); we would already be doing it.

    So far, the Mssrs. Saint-Hillare have yet to demonstrate their variation of the Wankel engine in anything meaningful.

    P.S. Most of the reduced emissions work being done today on engines and turbines involves pre-mixed atomized fuel-air mixtures and lean burn combustion.

    The lean burn technology has its limits; since as you get leaner the flame gets more unstable and destructive standing waves can be developed inside the combustor cans. The rumble and oscillation from the standing waves can create enough vibration to destroy the combustors.
    Most folks have gotten turbine emissions to the single digit ppmv NOx level with just lean burn. Catalytic converters are needed to bring the levels down even further.

    Don’t expect any miracles soon. The biggest bang for the buck (immediately) will be passive conservation.

    Simple

  67. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    23, Boney,

    I have been working on Turbines for nearly thirty years as an Engineer; therefore I assure you that if we could get 95% efficiency (without WHRS Cogen); we would already be doing it.

    So far, the Mssrs. Saint-Hillare have yet to demonstrate their variation of the Wankel engine in anything meaningful.

    P.S. Most of the reduced emissions work being done today on engines and turbines involves pre-mixed atomized fuel-air mixtures and lean burn combustion.

    The lean burn technology has its limits; since as you get leaner the flame gets more unstable and destructive standing waves can be developed inside the combustor cans. The rumble and oscillation from the standing waves can create enough vibration to destroy the combustors.
    Most folks have gotten turbine emissions to the single digit ppmv NOx level with just lean burn. Catalytic converters are needed to bring the levels down even further.

    Don’t expect any miracles soon. The biggest bang for the buck (immediately) will be passive conservation.

    Simple

  68. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Bonecrusher #28;

    3D technology is interesting to say the least. Glassesless TV was bound to come to market but te fact of the matter is that 3D has not caught into the public as nearly as much as big TV/software manufactures promote 3D. Personally I care very little for it.

  69. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Bonecrusher #28;

    3D technology is interesting to say the least. Glassesless TV was bound to come to market but te fact of the matter is that 3D has not caught into the public as nearly as much as big TV/software manufactures promote 3D. Personally I care very little for it.

  70. Hamous Avatar

    #35 Simple: The hydristor is a transmission device. In automotive applications, an incredibly efficient engine is worthless without an efficient transmission to go with it. The hydristor is a possible answer to that. In most normal driving or even stop and go traffic driving, you only use a very small portion of the available engine power to do what you need. With the hydristor, a continuously variable transmission, you are only using the power you need and the engine works at lower rpms. The piston gasoline engines work very well and are clean and relatively efficient, I think there are more gains to be made in the transmission section than the engine section at this time.

  71. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #35 Simple: The hydristor is a transmission device. In automotive applications, an incredibly efficient engine is worthless without an efficient transmission to go with it. The hydristor is a possible answer to that. In most normal driving or even stop and go traffic driving, you only use a very small portion of the available engine power to do what you need. With the hydristor, a continuously variable transmission, you are only using the power you need and the engine works at lower rpms. The piston gasoline engines work very well and are clean and relatively efficient, I think there are more gains to be made in the transmission section than the engine section at this time.

  72. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #37 Bones, I took a ride on a friend of my daughter scooter that uses a form of constant velocity transmission. It was odd hearing the tiny little motor run at a pretty much steady RPM while feeling the acceleration, which wasn’t too bad (for a toy motorcycle.)

    I’ve read that in higher torque applications the technology becomes a more expensive proposition.

  73. bob42 Avatar

    #37 Bones, I took a ride on a friend of my daughter scooter that uses a form of constant velocity transmission. It was odd hearing the tiny little motor run at a pretty much steady RPM while feeling the acceleration, which wasn’t too bad (for a toy motorcycle.)

    I’ve read that in higher torque applications the technology becomes a more expensive proposition.

  74. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Came across this interesting tidbit today.

    It seems some folks are making it a big deal that Joe Straus was elected unanimously in the last session.

    It ain’t such a big deal.

    Speakerships are built on the political and personal needs of the 150 members of the Texas House: All else being equal, they vote for whoever gives them the best deal. Consider how current Speaker Joe Straus, R-San Antonio, toppled his predecessor, Tom Craddick, R-Midland, last year. Straus put together a coalition of all the House Democrats and almost a dozen Republicans to come up with the majority he needed to depose Craddick, who had left just enough Republicans out in the cold to get himself unseated. (Speaker votes are always unanimous in the end, but that’s because the losers generally drop out when the outcome is apparent — usually well before the actual vote.)

    Posted FYI, because the Truth really does matter.

  75. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Came across this interesting tidbit today.

    It seems some folks are making it a big deal that Joe Straus was elected unanimously in the last session.

    It ain’t such a big deal.

    Speakerships are built on the political and personal needs of the 150 members of the Texas House: All else being equal, they vote for whoever gives them the best deal. Consider how current Speaker Joe Straus, R-San Antonio, toppled his predecessor, Tom Craddick, R-Midland, last year. Straus put together a coalition of all the House Democrats and almost a dozen Republicans to come up with the majority he needed to depose Craddick, who had left just enough Republicans out in the cold to get himself unseated. (Speaker votes are always unanimous in the end, but that’s because the losers generally drop out when the outcome is apparent — usually well before the actual vote.)

    Posted FYI, because the Truth really does matter.

  76. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    37, Boney,

    The inefficiency in the Driver is where you start. If it can only convert at 42%; then the best transmission will not create energy. It just won’t lose as much !!

    We manufacture gearboxes for engines up to 30k horsepower. We try not to use them with compressors and work to match compressor speed to Power Turbine speed in order to NOT use a gearbox, but OEM compressors/pump require gearboxes.

    We usually find a 5% loss of Brake Horse Power across the gearbox. Toss in a 2-3 % loss for engine driven parasitic loads….You are in the mid to upper thirties for the standard gas turbine. Diesel engines to better, but their mass to horsepower ratio is 8-10X times greater; therefore you lose the added efficency to pull the extra efficieny.

    The best phrase to remember is, “There is no free lunch and there is no such thing as perpetual motion.”.

    Simple

  77. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    37, Boney,

    The inefficiency in the Driver is where you start. If it can only convert at 42%; then the best transmission will not create energy. It just won’t lose as much !!

    We manufacture gearboxes for engines up to 30k horsepower. We try not to use them with compressors and work to match compressor speed to Power Turbine speed in order to NOT use a gearbox, but OEM compressors/pump require gearboxes.

    We usually find a 5% loss of Brake Horse Power across the gearbox. Toss in a 2-3 % loss for engine driven parasitic loads….You are in the mid to upper thirties for the standard gas turbine. Diesel engines to better, but their mass to horsepower ratio is 8-10X times greater; therefore you lose the added efficency to pull the extra efficieny.

    The best phrase to remember is, “There is no free lunch and there is no such thing as perpetual motion.”.

    Simple

  78. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Boobquake pays off in more ways than scientifically proving that natural disasters are not related to the rantings of kooks.

    Boobquake is still making an impact months later*. You may remember that I sold some boobquake t-shirts in my store promising the royalties would go to charity. The total royalities earned from boobquake shirts was $621.87, and my April volume bonus thanks to the shirts was $369.53. That’s a total of $991.40 raised from Boobquake! Well, the donations have finally been made.

    $500 has been donated to the Red Cross for disaster relief, and

    $500 has been donated to the James Randi Educational Foundation

    The delay in donation paid off, since the JREF is having their Season of Reason right now. What does that mean? An anonymous donor is matching all donations, meaning Boobquake’s contribution to the JREF is effectively doubled to $1,000!

    I know that’s still not much for a big organization, but it’s equivalent to one of my paychecks, so I feel like quite the philanthropist right now. But really, the money wasn’t mine – I should be thanking all of you who bought merchandise in order to support these organizations. So, thank you!

    I still think more scientific study is warranted. Perhaps it should be an annual event and the results compiled in to a longitudinal study.

  79. bob42 Avatar

    Boobquake pays off in more ways than scientifically proving that natural disasters are not related to the rantings of kooks.

    Boobquake is still making an impact months later*. You may remember that I sold some boobquake t-shirts in my store promising the royalties would go to charity. The total royalities earned from boobquake shirts was $621.87, and my April volume bonus thanks to the shirts was $369.53. That’s a total of $991.40 raised from Boobquake! Well, the donations have finally been made.

    $500 has been donated to the Red Cross for disaster relief, and

    $500 has been donated to the James Randi Educational Foundation

    The delay in donation paid off, since the JREF is having their Season of Reason right now. What does that mean? An anonymous donor is matching all donations, meaning Boobquake’s contribution to the JREF is effectively doubled to $1,000!

    I know that’s still not much for a big organization, but it’s equivalent to one of my paychecks, so I feel like quite the philanthropist right now. But really, the money wasn’t mine – I should be thanking all of you who bought merchandise in order to support these organizations. So, thank you!

    I still think more scientific study is warranted. Perhaps it should be an annual event and the results compiled in to a longitudinal study.

  80. Tedtam Avatar

    On Christmas day, there was a fire pit and later, a 55 gallon barrel in which fires were lit. There was a lot of available wood (a pile of tree branches), and I was tickled to see all the menfolk standing around their fires, seeing how many branches could be stuffed into the fire, and standing around talking with each other. Real guy behavior. I could only imagine the Tim Allen style caveman “grunt” coming from them as I walked in and out.

    Today’s posts regarding gears and stuff strikes me the same. A bunch of guys standing around their fire, grunting at each other and discussing men-type topics.

    Ya’ll are too cute.

  81. Tedtam Avatar

    On Christmas day, there was a fire pit and later, a 55 gallon barrel in which fires were lit. There was a lot of available wood (a pile of tree branches), and I was tickled to see all the menfolk standing around their fires, seeing how many branches could be stuffed into the fire, and standing around talking with each other. Real guy behavior. I could only imagine the Tim Allen style caveman “grunt” coming from them as I walked in and out.

    Today’s posts regarding gears and stuff strikes me the same. A bunch of guys standing around their fire, grunting at each other and discussing men-type topics.

    Ya’ll are too cute.

  82. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #43 Did they repeatedly fire pistols all around the lower portions of the barrel in order to increase the oxygen supply to the fire?

    /no kidding, I’ve done that.

  83. bob42 Avatar

    #43 Did they repeatedly fire pistols all around the lower portions of the barrel in order to increase the oxygen supply to the fire?

    /no kidding, I’ve done that.

  84. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #6, #7, #12, #15

    And you were doing so well.

    Yep, my stink-o-meter lit up too on #6. So #12 was a Whew! relief.

    bat shizzle

    😀

  85. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #6, #7, #12, #15

    And you were doing so well.

    Yep, my stink-o-meter lit up too on #6. So #12 was a Whew! relief.

    bat shizzle

    😀

  86. Hamous Avatar

    #41 Simple:
    I think you and I are speaking apples and oranges. Compressor/power generation/marine applications tend to be somewhat static in load are very different than automotive applications which are darned dynamic. I don’t know diddly about static applications except in theory; in the automotive world, the transmission consumes in excess of 10%. Take a look at the hydristor link.

  87. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #41 Simple:
    I think you and I are speaking apples and oranges. Compressor/power generation/marine applications tend to be somewhat static in load are very different than automotive applications which are darned dynamic. I don’t know diddly about static applications except in theory; in the automotive world, the transmission consumes in excess of 10%. Take a look at the hydristor link.

  88. Dooood Avatar

    Super Dave

    Just finished plowing, blowing and digging out our two houses. Final snowfall report for this little town just west of NYC:

    30 inches of medium light snow with drifts to 4 feet and higher.

    Her Highness is every bit of 5′ tall and when she stood in the front yard, the snow level concealed half of her buttocks so we are officially a$$ deep in snow.

  89. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Super Dave

    Just finished plowing, blowing and digging out our two houses. Final snowfall report for this little town just west of NYC:

    30 inches of medium light snow with drifts to 4 feet and higher.

    Her Highness is every bit of 5′ tall and when she stood in the front yard, the snow level concealed half of her buttocks so we are officially a$$ deep in snow.

  90. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Some comments about Darren’s Christmas card gallery — since I couldn’t post there even when I tried to login as “moron”…

    http://darren-familycomesfirst.blogspot.com/2010/12/christmas-cards.html

    The general style of these collaborative art works is Folk Art. Notably innovative, fresh, and original. And wow, Darren’s kids have the most interesting names I’ve ever come across! It was delightful to see this series of drawings. They are dazzling.

    Comments about selected drawings:

    2004 — Love the gumdrop house. Glad you identified the dinosaur. My guess was a Venus Flytrap.

    2006 — Snowbirds — There are 3 child birds in addition to the chick-in-arms. But you have only listed 3 kids’ names total up to that point. In your 2010 card details you finally mention son Rhuelin, so I assume he was the 4th little bird?

    2008 — Yep, it did snow a bit in Houston on December 11, 2008.

  91. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Some comments about Darren’s Christmas card gallery — since I couldn’t post there even when I tried to login as “moron”…

    http://darren-familycomesfirst.blogspot.com/2010/12/christmas-cards.html

    The general style of these collaborative art works is Folk Art. Notably innovative, fresh, and original. And wow, Darren’s kids have the most interesting names I’ve ever come across! It was delightful to see this series of drawings. They are dazzling.

    Comments about selected drawings:

    2004 — Love the gumdrop house. Glad you identified the dinosaur. My guess was a Venus Flytrap.

    2006 — Snowbirds — There are 3 child birds in addition to the chick-in-arms. But you have only listed 3 kids’ names total up to that point. In your 2010 card details you finally mention son Rhuelin, so I assume he was the 4th little bird?

    2008 — Yep, it did snow a bit in Houston on December 11, 2008.

  92. Dooood Avatar

    I had to take some construction workers home last night at around 4 PM and it was already pitch dark. I had to take them from north Bergen county to Hudson county which is approximately equivalent to driving from Beltway 8 & I-10 to Meyerland.

    The trip back was in complete white out blizzard conditions. White knuckle driving – much more worried about all the out of state holiday drivers around me who did not know where they were going or really what they were doing.

    It was 2 and 20 minutes for a normal 45 minute trip.

  93. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I had to take some construction workers home last night at around 4 PM and it was already pitch dark. I had to take them from north Bergen county to Hudson county which is approximately equivalent to driving from Beltway 8 & I-10 to Meyerland.

    The trip back was in complete white out blizzard conditions. White knuckle driving – much more worried about all the out of state holiday drivers around me who did not know where they were going or really what they were doing.

    It was 2 and 20 minutes for a normal 45 minute trip.

  94. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #43 TT

    Why were the men out in the cold lighting fires? Is that some sort of macho challenge?

  95. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #43 TT

    Why were the men out in the cold lighting fires? Is that some sort of macho challenge?

  96. Dooood Avatar

    RE: IBM

    My dad’s best friend was from Washington DC and his college roommate went to work for International Business Machines in NYC when they got out of college selling new-fangled business computers. He and his wife lived in a tiny apartment in Manhattan and she worked so they could pay the rent. The problem was that IBM was starved for cash and often when salesmen received their pay envelopes, their would be little or no cash and stock certificates or options instead. This guy wanted to quit IBM for a real paying job, but his wife, who knew nothing about computers but believed in the company, insisted her husband stay with IBM.

    By the time the 1960s rolled around, they were financially secure and when he retired in the 1980s they were filthy rich from all those “worthless stock certificates and options” he took in leiu of a paycheck back in the 1950s.

  97. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    RE: IBM

    My dad’s best friend was from Washington DC and his college roommate went to work for International Business Machines in NYC when they got out of college selling new-fangled business computers. He and his wife lived in a tiny apartment in Manhattan and she worked so they could pay the rent. The problem was that IBM was starved for cash and often when salesmen received their pay envelopes, their would be little or no cash and stock certificates or options instead. This guy wanted to quit IBM for a real paying job, but his wife, who knew nothing about computers but believed in the company, insisted her husband stay with IBM.

    By the time the 1960s rolled around, they were financially secure and when he retired in the 1980s they were filthy rich from all those “worthless stock certificates and options” he took in leiu of a paycheck back in the 1950s.

  98. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Texpat, today I’ve IMed with colleagues in Raleigh and Poughkeepsie, and a friend in Paramus who recently moved there from Texas. You’ve got a good point when you mention the greatest driving danger is in folks on the road who are not experienced with that kind of weather.

    In Raleigh, the memo went out that if you could work from home, work from home. In Poughkeepsie, it was pretty much business as usual.

  99. bob42 Avatar

    Texpat, today I’ve IMed with colleagues in Raleigh and Poughkeepsie, and a friend in Paramus who recently moved there from Texas. You’ve got a good point when you mention the greatest driving danger is in folks on the road who are not experienced with that kind of weather.

    In Raleigh, the memo went out that if you could work from home, work from home. In Poughkeepsie, it was pretty much business as usual.

  100. Dooood Avatar

    This storm went deep to the south. There might have been as much snow in Raleigh as there was in Poughkeepsie.

  101. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This storm went deep to the south. There might have been as much snow in Raleigh as there was in Poughkeepsie.

  102. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #51 Texpat, ever hear of the “Consent Decree?

    III
    The provisions of this Final Judgment applicable to IBM shall also be applicable to its subsidiaries, officers, directors, agents, employees, successors, assigns, and all persons acting under, through or for IBM, but shall not impose any obligation to do or omit any action outside the United States unless specifically provided for hereinafter.
    IV
    (a) It is the purpose of this Section IV of this Final Judgment to assure to users and prospective users of IBM tabulating and electronic data processing machines at any time being offered by IBM for lease and sale an opportunity to purchase and own such machines at prices and upon terms and conditions which shall not be substantially more advantageous to IBM than the lease charges, terms and conditions for such machines.

    (b) IBM is hereby ordered and directed, beginning not later than one year after the entry of this Final Judgment, to offer

    (1) to sell, at any time during the period of 18 months next thereafter, to the lessee of any IBM tabulating or electronic data processing machine each such machine being used by such lessee;

    (2) to sell new standard tabulating and electronic data processing machines of each type at any time thereafter currently being manufactured and offered for lease or sale by IBM; and

    (3) to sell any new special purpose tabulating or electronic data processing machine to the users for whom it has been designed and produced by IBM.

    (c) IBM is hereby ordered and directed to:

    (1) establish a sale price for each machine offered for sale pursuant to paragraph (b) (1) of this Section IV which shall not be greater than the sale price for a new machine of the same type and model less 10% for each full year of age, computed from the date of first installation after original assembly or rebuilding, except that for machines more than eight years of age the price may be not more than 25% of such sale price;

    (2) establish a sale price for each machine offered for sale pursuant to paragraphs (b) (2) and (b) (3) of this Section IV which shall have a commercially reasonable relationship to the lease charges for such machines;

    (3) establish such other nondiscriminatory terms as may be appropriate to the sale of tabulating or electronic data processing machines, including, at the option of the purchaser, reasonable credit terms for purchasers having satisfactory credit ratings and such warranties as are customary for the sale of similar business machines;

    (4) afford to its salesmen compensation for selling tabulating and electronic data processing machines which shall be not less favorable to them than their compensation for leasing the same machines;

    (5) make full and fair disclosure, in the solicitation of orders for tabulating and electronic data processing machines, of the prices and terms for the sale and lease of such machines;

    (6) furnish in writing, upon written request, to each person inquiring concerning the lease or purchase of IBM tabulating or electronic data processing machines complete information concerning delivery dates and terms and conditions of lease and purchase of such machines; and

    (7) fill purchase and lease orders for machines required to be sold by paragraph (b) (2) of this Section IV without discrimination between lease and purchase orders and, to the extent administratively practicable and permitted by law, in order of their receipt.

    (d) In any civil suit or proceeding instituted by the Plaintiff between two and ten years after the entry of this Final Judgment, in which IBM’s compliance or noncompliance with the provisions of this Section IV shall be an issue, the burden of proof shall be upon IBM to establish that it has complied with the provisions of this Section IV.

  103. bob42 Avatar

    #51 Texpat, ever hear of the “Consent Decree?

    III
    The provisions of this Final Judgment applicable to IBM shall also be applicable to its subsidiaries, officers, directors, agents, employees, successors, assigns, and all persons acting under, through or for IBM, but shall not impose any obligation to do or omit any action outside the United States unless specifically provided for hereinafter.
    IV
    (a) It is the purpose of this Section IV of this Final Judgment to assure to users and prospective users of IBM tabulating and electronic data processing machines at any time being offered by IBM for lease and sale an opportunity to purchase and own such machines at prices and upon terms and conditions which shall not be substantially more advantageous to IBM than the lease charges, terms and conditions for such machines.

    (b) IBM is hereby ordered and directed, beginning not later than one year after the entry of this Final Judgment, to offer

    (1) to sell, at any time during the period of 18 months next thereafter, to the lessee of any IBM tabulating or electronic data processing machine each such machine being used by such lessee;

    (2) to sell new standard tabulating and electronic data processing machines of each type at any time thereafter currently being manufactured and offered for lease or sale by IBM; and

    (3) to sell any new special purpose tabulating or electronic data processing machine to the users for whom it has been designed and produced by IBM.

    (c) IBM is hereby ordered and directed to:

    (1) establish a sale price for each machine offered for sale pursuant to paragraph (b) (1) of this Section IV which shall not be greater than the sale price for a new machine of the same type and model less 10% for each full year of age, computed from the date of first installation after original assembly or rebuilding, except that for machines more than eight years of age the price may be not more than 25% of such sale price;

    (2) establish a sale price for each machine offered for sale pursuant to paragraphs (b) (2) and (b) (3) of this Section IV which shall have a commercially reasonable relationship to the lease charges for such machines;

    (3) establish such other nondiscriminatory terms as may be appropriate to the sale of tabulating or electronic data processing machines, including, at the option of the purchaser, reasonable credit terms for purchasers having satisfactory credit ratings and such warranties as are customary for the sale of similar business machines;

    (4) afford to its salesmen compensation for selling tabulating and electronic data processing machines which shall be not less favorable to them than their compensation for leasing the same machines;

    (5) make full and fair disclosure, in the solicitation of orders for tabulating and electronic data processing machines, of the prices and terms for the sale and lease of such machines;

    (6) furnish in writing, upon written request, to each person inquiring concerning the lease or purchase of IBM tabulating or electronic data processing machines complete information concerning delivery dates and terms and conditions of lease and purchase of such machines; and

    (7) fill purchase and lease orders for machines required to be sold by paragraph (b) (2) of this Section IV without discrimination between lease and purchase orders and, to the extent administratively practicable and permitted by law, in order of their receipt.

    (d) In any civil suit or proceeding instituted by the Plaintiff between two and ten years after the entry of this Final Judgment, in which IBM’s compliance or noncompliance with the provisions of this Section IV shall be an issue, the burden of proof shall be upon IBM to establish that it has complied with the provisions of this Section IV.

  104. Dooood Avatar

    #54 bob42

    IBM would likely have been a very different company and either survived to become a very different and nimble competitor or disappeared altogether had they been allowed to reap the results of what they sowed with their lame leasing strategy. A few years more would have seen their customers flocking to new alternatives and the intransigent, moss-backed management forced out to allow new blood and ideas. The misguided and ill-conceived anti-trust laws applied in this case merely served to perpetuate a failed corporate mentality that found IBM a beached whale in the 1990s with vast amounts of capital and pension monies dissipated by an antique bureacracy.

    We should repeal all of the stupid anti-trust laws instituted 100 years ago to break things like the oil, rail and sugar trusts. They are not only obstructive, but destructive to the advancement of our economy and way of life.

  105. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #54 bob42

    IBM would likely have been a very different company and either survived to become a very different and nimble competitor or disappeared altogether had they been allowed to reap the results of what they sowed with their lame leasing strategy. A few years more would have seen their customers flocking to new alternatives and the intransigent, moss-backed management forced out to allow new blood and ideas. The misguided and ill-conceived anti-trust laws applied in this case merely served to perpetuate a failed corporate mentality that found IBM a beached whale in the 1990s with vast amounts of capital and pension monies dissipated by an antique bureacracy.

    We should repeal all of the stupid anti-trust laws instituted 100 years ago to break things like the oil, rail and sugar trusts. They are not only obstructive, but destructive to the advancement of our economy and way of life.

  106. Tedtam Avatar

    #44 Bob42

    #43 Did they repeatedly fire pistols all around the lower portions of the barrel in order to increase the oxygen supply to the fire?

    There was concern about the barrel fire, because it was smoking so much, and when we opened the kitchen door all that wood smoke would blow into the kitchen. Big Brother went to the shed and found something to punch holes in the bottom of the barrel to increase the oxygen flow, and then they found some kind of handle to scootch it over a bit, out of the “kitchen downwind” spot. It did burn better after that, and between the repositioning and better combustion, the smoke issue went away.

    #50 mharper

    #43 TT

    Why were the men out in the cold lighting fires? Is that some sort of macho challenge?

    IMHO:
    1) Because they could
    2) The cold gave them an excuse
    3) Any time a man can destroy something, even if it’s old wood, it’s cool
    4) To other men

    But then, I enjoy a good fire myself. I’m just not going to choose standing out in a cold north wind to do it.

  107. Tedtam Avatar

    #44 Bob42

    #43 Did they repeatedly fire pistols all around the lower portions of the barrel in order to increase the oxygen supply to the fire?

    There was concern about the barrel fire, because it was smoking so much, and when we opened the kitchen door all that wood smoke would blow into the kitchen. Big Brother went to the shed and found something to punch holes in the bottom of the barrel to increase the oxygen flow, and then they found some kind of handle to scootch it over a bit, out of the “kitchen downwind” spot. It did burn better after that, and between the repositioning and better combustion, the smoke issue went away.

    #50 mharper

    #43 TT

    Why were the men out in the cold lighting fires? Is that some sort of macho challenge?

    IMHO:
    1) Because they could
    2) The cold gave them an excuse
    3) Any time a man can destroy something, even if it’s old wood, it’s cool
    4) To other men

    But then, I enjoy a good fire myself. I’m just not going to choose standing out in a cold north wind to do it.

  108. Dooood Avatar

    Pray for this woman and marvel at her guts and bravery.
    She is only 28, one year older than my own daughter.

    So Gándara alone was left to police the dangerous ranching towns of the border.

    “I see this as any other job,” she said during a November interview with the El Paso Times.

    But it wasn’t.

    Since June, Gándara had been the lone ranger in the municipality of 9,000 people. Armed with an AR-15 rifle and a revolver, Gándara worked in a lawless and remote area where residents hide in their homes after the sun sets.

    Gándara drove herself to murder scenes, where she alerted the Mexican Army as well as state investigative agents. In Mexico, local police departments do not handle murder investigations.

    Lost in all the ranting and anger about illegal immigrants and border wars are the normal, simple people of Mexico trying to live their lives in their own towns and cities like all other peaceful citizens. This is just a tragedy.

  109. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Pray for this woman and marvel at her guts and bravery.
    She is only 28, one year older than my own daughter.

    So Gándara alone was left to police the dangerous ranching towns of the border.

    “I see this as any other job,” she said during a November interview with the El Paso Times.

    But it wasn’t.

    Since June, Gándara had been the lone ranger in the municipality of 9,000 people. Armed with an AR-15 rifle and a revolver, Gándara worked in a lawless and remote area where residents hide in their homes after the sun sets.

    Gándara drove herself to murder scenes, where she alerted the Mexican Army as well as state investigative agents. In Mexico, local police departments do not handle murder investigations.

    Lost in all the ranting and anger about illegal immigrants and border wars are the normal, simple people of Mexico trying to live their lives in their own towns and cities like all other peaceful citizens. This is just a tragedy.

  110. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    Along the topic of ‘what if’ technology. I recently talked to a person who works in a building once part of a complex to build a nuclear powered rocket in Nevada.

    http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/N/NERVA.html

  111. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    Along the topic of ‘what if’ technology. I recently talked to a person who works in a building once part of a complex to build a nuclear powered rocket in Nevada.

    http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/N/NERVA.html

  112. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    Sarge, thanks for the movie review.

  113. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    Sarge, thanks for the movie review.

  114. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    #56

    IMHO:
    1) Because they could
    2) The cold gave them an excuse
    3) Any time a man can destroy something, even if it’s old wood, it’s cool
    4) To other men

    You say something? I was out blowing holes in a 2×4 with my pressure washer.

  115. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #56

    IMHO:
    1) Because they could
    2) The cold gave them an excuse
    3) Any time a man can destroy something, even if it’s old wood, it’s cool
    4) To other men

    You say something? I was out blowing holes in a 2×4 with my pressure washer.

  116. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #55 Texpat, I reckon your guess is as good as mine. You put forth an interesting range of hypotheses. It’s food for thought.

  117. bob42 Avatar

    #55 Texpat, I reckon your guess is as good as mine. You put forth an interesting range of hypotheses. It’s food for thought.

  118. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I found this posted in FaceBook:

    So what have we learned in 2,065 years?

    “The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.” — Cicero, 55 BC

    Apparently nothing.

  119. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #28;

    Darren’s kids have the most interesting names I’ve ever come across! It was delightful to see this series of drawings. They are dazzling.

    Thanks! I was fine with common names like “Steve” or “Nancy” but Mrs. Darren’s creative spirit said no to that mundane thinking. Janisen was the first grandchild on both sides of our family so Niki (Mrs. Darren) spelled out all the grandparent’s names and took at least one letter from each and came up with “Janisen”. Kason’s name came from his aunts and uncle’s names. Rhuelin’s name was an interesting quest. We decided to use his great grandparent’s names. Late at night Niki and one of my Siser-in-in-laws brainstormed possible names and one possibility was “Orstie”. Being past midnight you can imagine how much they laughed out loud over that name. Rhuelin eventually resulted and after Niki and I settled on that name we were told that one of his great grannpa’s brother’s name was “Rhuelin”. Since, as you can see, we focused the kid’;s names wth family names, that meant something to us. Finally, “Breelahn” was a combination of Niki’s cousins names (I’ll have to confirm that one, like I said, I was content with common names). And just for your info, the end of each of our children’s names are pronounced with the phonetic “in”.

    After the fourth, Niki decided no more babies growing inside of her. She loooooooooves little babies; just doesn’t want to incubate them anymore inside her “tummy”. We’re very blessed parents and we had a lot of joy deciding their names. We also enjoy the uniqueness of their names.

  120. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #28;

    Darren’s kids have the most interesting names I’ve ever come across! It was delightful to see this series of drawings. They are dazzling.

    Thanks! I was fine with common names like “Steve” or “Nancy” but Mrs. Darren’s creative spirit said no to that mundane thinking. Janisen was the first grandchild on both sides of our family so Niki (Mrs. Darren) spelled out all the grandparent’s names and took at least one letter from each and came up with “Janisen”. Kason’s name came from his aunts and uncle’s names. Rhuelin’s name was an interesting quest. We decided to use his great grandparent’s names. Late at night Niki and one of my Siser-in-in-laws brainstormed possible names and one possibility was “Orstie”. Being past midnight you can imagine how much they laughed out loud over that name. Rhuelin eventually resulted and after Niki and I settled on that name we were told that one of his great grannpa’s brother’s name was “Rhuelin”. Since, as you can see, we focused the kid’;s names wth family names, that meant something to us. Finally, “Breelahn” was a combination of Niki’s cousins names (I’ll have to confirm that one, like I said, I was content with common names). And just for your info, the end of each of our children’s names are pronounced with the phonetic “in”.

    After the fourth, Niki decided no more babies growing inside of her. She loooooooooves little babies; just doesn’t want to incubate them anymore inside her “tummy”. We’re very blessed parents and we had a lot of joy deciding their names. We also enjoy the uniqueness of their names.

  121. El Gordo Avatar

    Superscript test.

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  122. Dude42 Avatar

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