Monday Aquinas Speaks Truth Open Comments

St. Thomas had some harsh truths about Islam:

According to Aquinas, Islam appealed to ignorant, brutish, carnal men and spread not by the power of its arguments or divine grace but by the power of the sword.

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Aquinas contrasts the spread of Christianity with that of Islam, arguing that much of Christianity’s early success stemmed from widespread belief in the miracles of Jesus, whereas the spread of Islam was worked through the promise of sensual pleasures and the violence of the sword.

Mohammad, Aquinas wrote, “seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure.”

This has always been a sticking point for me – Mohammed’s version of paradise closely resembles a cabaret, and that has never seemed to be appropriate for an afterlife environment. I mean, after the first thousand years or so, sex just becomes ho-hum. I mean, do you rotate out those 72 virgins for new ones, or are you facing the same ones repeatedly? And who wants to drink wine without getting drunk? It’s an eternity of brainlessness, and I think I want better than that, and I think my God does, too.

Such an offer, Aquinas contended, appealed to a certain type of person of limited virtue and wisdom.

“In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men,” he wrote. “As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.”

Because of the weakness of Islam’s contentions, Aquinas argued, “no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning.” Instead, those who believed in him “were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms.”

Islam’s violent methods of propagation were especially unconvincing to Aquinas, since he found that the use of such force does not prove the truth of one’s claims, and are the means typically used by evil men.

Just because I may be forced to convert through force, does not mean the religion is real. It’s a weak religion that depends upon force. A good idea will spread on its own. Truth will draw people, while lies require deception and brutish behavior.

At the time Aquinas was writing, Islam was generally considered a Christian heresy, since it drew so heavily on Christian texts and beliefs. Aquinas wrote that Mohammed “perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law.”

I read somewhere that Mohammed got information about Christianity from some improperly informed Christians who didn’t fully understand who Jesus was, nor how the faith was constructed. That’s how he got so much wrong.

According to the noted historian Hilaire Belloc, Islam “began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. Its vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was—not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing.”

In his Summa contra gentiles, Aquinas ends his argument against Islam by offering a backhanded compliment to Mohammed, noting that he had to keep his followers ignorant in order for them to remain faithful.

It was, Aquinas wrote, “a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity.”

“It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly,” he wrote.


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37 responses to “Monday Aquinas Speaks Truth Open Comments”

  1. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I didn’t know about the not getting drunk part. That does it.

  2. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good downright cold morning Hamsters. Still windy with teeth and 39 at 7, sunshine trying to poke through cloud layers at the horizon, can see your breath outside. What a radical change from yesterday.

    I’d noticed that in recent years with the ascent of Islam again, references to the wisdom of Judaism and Christianity that formerly were recognized by what were once called Mohammedans has flat out vanished. Muslim Brotherhood undoubtedly had a hand in that. When did Moslems become Muslims?

  3. Sarge Avatar

    If Trump wins the Feb. 9 primary a week after Cruz wins Iowa, only one or two candidates finishing behind him will likely have the momentum to carry on. If four or even five candidates split the vote of an establishment electorate that never coalesces behind one standard-bearer, there may be only hollow victories to declare on primary night because none will have the firepower to challenge Cruz or Trump in South Carolina.

    Just ask Cruz; he’s counting on it.

    Even if Trump wins NH, that’s good news for Cruz b/c that means the Establishment weenies are out of it for the rest of the race. I think Cruz wins if Trump is the only other viable candidate.

    The schadenfreud.

    It is good.

  4. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I think islam is based on the original lie:
    ‘Has G-D really said. . . . ?’
    It is poison fruit from a poison tree, no good can come from it.

  5. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Morning, Hamsterville ™ !! Last week of 2015. 2016 is going to be a LOOOONG year with Bronco going nuts and all.

  6. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I somehow missed this last summer. Ramesh Ponnuru on August 27th:

    Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.” If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently.

    Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.” So: The right of abortionists to make a child “expire” by partially extracting her from the womb, sticking scissors in the back of her head, vacuuming out her brain, and crushing her skull to complete her extraction, is right there in the Constitution. But let’s please not have any “semantic machinations.”

  7. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well I made it back to Texas, it took a little longer since I had to make two detours to get across Pea River near, Elba, which was hit pretty hard, but I understand the levee held. I was traveling on CR 334 from New Brockton to Andalusia and the road was blocked at Ino. The Trooper said that the river crossed on both sides of the road, bridge high and dry. They recommended going back to AL 87 and heading north to Elba and US 84, but I didn’t want to make the northward loop that far out of my way so I headed down AL 87 to AL 52 near Sampson, but AL 52 was closed just west of town. I noticed on my map that AL 87 crossed the river just north of the Florida line so I figured I’d give it a try. The river was about 4 feet under the bridge and out all over the woods but I made it on down to FL 2, then FL 83 and on to Defuniak Springs and I-10.
    I was scanning the internet, looking for pictures but couldn’t find anything current except for one where the river crosses US 213, north of Ozark, this was Christmas day. FWIW; I’ve NEVER seen the river flood the road there. Notice the JCT 123 sign, AL 123 is what they named the old 231, after they pulled the kinks out of it. When I was a kid it took us about 2 hours to drive to Montgomery, now it’s a little over an hour and 30 miles closer.
    Oh and Mornin’ Afternoon Gang

  8. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Yes Virginia, Liberalism IS a MENTAL disorder!!!
    Libs Demand Trump’s Name Be Stripped From State Park HE DONATED!

    Liberals are flailing about doing everything they can to attack Donald Trump.
    The latest effort seems to be removing Trump’s name from a $100 million park he donated to New York State – called “Donald J. Trump State Park.”
    Despite the massive donation, Democratic lawmakers are trying to strip his name from the park and replace it with a folk singer, or Revolutionary War hero or something.
    Fox News is reporting two liberal lawmakers plan to introduce the “Anything But Trump Act,” (yes, it’s that transparent), which would remove the name – and the signs – from a closed 440-acre park in Westchester County.

    They claim – these two assemblymen – that Trump’s “Anti-Muslim” rhetoric is so horrible, that even the sight of the man’s name will cause the vapors.
    Trump donated the land ten years ago after a planned golf course fell through. Four years later, budget cuts forced the closing of the park. But it’s still a state park, it’s still got his name on it and it’s still there.
    Assemblyman Charles Lavine – who sponsored the “Anything But Trump Act,” has some ideas who they should rename the park after:
    Lavine, of Long Island, suggests the state rename the park for Peter Salem, a Muslim Revolutionary War soldier from Massachusetts who fought in battles in New York state. Other suggestions include folk singer and activist Pete Seeger.

    You can’t make this crap up!!

  9. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Found Over Yonder:

    A friend from Washington D.C. Wrote:

    “When I heard that France had bombed a key ISIS stronghold, I looked out the window to see if the White House was still there.”

  10. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Finally, I gave Vickery my parents’ surname and home town in the United States. He found them in the database in a matter of minutes. It would appear every registered US voter is included in the leak.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/12/28/us-voter-database-leak/

  11. Tedtam Avatar

    #12

    Fro Mr Tedtam, Volkswagen Porn

    I gave Hubby the space by the front door to be “his” area for all of his VW stuff. Otherwise, he would be constantly fighting me to turn our whole house into a VW museum of sorts. He’s hanging his little plastic VW bus models and pictures/old ads on the wall as one walks in, and he’s trying to take over the desk by the door, which I use as a pick up/drop off spot for paperwork, Mom’s clothes, etc.

    He has multiple photo albums of pictures he’s taken of cars at the car shows. Quite often, I see him perusing his hundreds of pictures. He’s got at least five of these albums so far. He is fast accumulating his “Dune Buggies & Hot VW” magazines, and he insists on keeping a stash for reading material in the powder/public bath downstairs. And on the table by his chair. And in the other bathroom. And in the upstairs bathroom, which we don’t use any more, but there’s a box full of ’em.

    For the party, he lovingly and carefully rearranged the desk. He not only made sure all of his decor was artfully arranged on the wall, but he even edged out Santa Clause on the desk (I eventually moved Santa and the Santa trays for him). In their place, he laid out – open, as if to a centerfold – two of his photo albums. I was barely successful in holding in my guffaws. Obviously, Christmas was less important to him than sharing his passion with our guests. It reminded me of a little boy wanting to show off the treasures he found in the back yard.

    I try to be patient with him, his magazines, and his growing collection of pictures. It’s good that he has a passion in life. We all need to be passionate about something, right? I watch him pore over his albums, and realize it could be worse. He could be lying to me and telling me he’s “reading the articles”. Car porn is much safer than the other kind.

  12. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    If you wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon unclean.
    you may be a Muslim

    1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor.
    You may be a Muslim

    2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can’t afford shoes.
    You may be a Muslim

    3. You have more wives than teeth.
    You may be a Muslim

    4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon unclean.
    You may be a Muslim

    5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
    You may be a Muslim

    6. You can’t think of anyone you haven’t declared Jihad against.
    You may be a Muslim

    7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.
    You may be a Muslim

    8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.
    You may be a Muslim

    9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four.
    You may be a Muslim

    10. Your cousin is president of the United States.
    You may be a Muslim

  13. Tedtam Avatar

    Oh, and Hubby deserves all the special treatment and allowances for his hobby.

    I cannot even begin to tell you how loving and supportive he’s been through all of the family drama. He wrote me the sweetest note for me to find the morning after I had a meltdown. He busted his butt helping get the house ready for the party. Everything I put on my list, he did, even on days when he could barely do anything because of his pain from the connective tissue disease he now has. On his worst days, he didn’t lose his cool, and on my worst days he kept hugging me and reassuring me.

    You know, our marriage hasn’t been perfect over the years, but we’ve both made changes. Neither of us have reached perfection, at least of this date, but I harken back to our early days, and these days seem to have a lot of that same feel to them.

    Change can be very, very good. It’s not easy, but with forgiveness, reconciliation, and a constant watch over my behavior to ensure that I try to be the kind of person *I* want to be, regardless of what other people do to me or around me, it is possible.

    Of course, the day I am truly recognized as Queen, all that goes out the window. 😉

  14. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Well, you know Texpat refers to his lovely bride as Her Highness….

  15. Katfish Avatar

    #15 – AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMEN!! 🙂

  16. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Chick-fil-A Opens on Sunday “for the Best Reason Possible’.

    Chick-fil-A is known for its strict policy of always being closed on Sundays, but some north Texas locations opened their doors this Sunday to provide free food for people whose homes were ravaged by tornadoes that killed at least 11 over the weekend.
    The Christian-owned restaurant chain remains closed on Sundays in order to encourage its employees to rest and worship as they choose. Chick-fil-A spokeswoman Amanda Hannah said the north Texas restaurants were not open to the public, but that employees were only there to prepare and distribute free food to emergency responders and others in the aftermath of the deadly storms.

  17. Katfish Avatar

    #19 – a worthy ‘exception’ indeed!!

  18. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The Sabbath was made for man, not the other way around.

  19. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    When I was a kid, the two coolest names in the world to me were Goose Tatum and especially, Meadowlark Lemon. I asked my mother once why she didn’t give me a name as fine as that.

    This was a time when the Trotters were known not only for their comedy routines and basketball legerdemain; they were also recognized as a formidable competitive team. Their victory over the Minneapolis Lakers in 1948 was instrumental in integrating the National Basketball Association, and a decade later their owner, Abe Saperstein, signed a 7-footer out of the University of Kansas to a one-year contract before he was eligible for the N.B.A.: Wilt Chamberlain.

    R.I.P Meadowlark Lemon

  20. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Next door neighbor’s 30-something son is either home for the holidays or has gone broke again. He brought his giant dog. For the first week, they had it on a chain in their back yard, but tonight it seemingly has busted up the fence and is loose and barking in my back yard. I dashed out in the cold and rang their doorbell 20 times but they are either out or just not answering. Aaargh.

  21. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Why do the least responsible have the biggest and loudest dogs?

  22. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    What I hate about 21st century Medicine?
    Care By Committee.
    A different doctor every 12 or 24 or 36 or 48 hours.
    Or the universally dreaded Nurse Practitioner.

    It’s most difficult to get a handle on current status, plan of action, or how progress is to be measured.

    In the past you might get lucky…….but with Medicine By Committee you are guaranteed to encounter at least two or three people you want to slap the crap out of because they treat you like a ten-year-old moron. Instead of a 60 year old who’s been around the block a few times.

    Okay. I’m done venting.
    You can go back to crocheting those fancy tassels for your hammock.

  23. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Oh, and having at least a few that are fluent in English would be nice.

  24. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    The cream definitely rises to the top.
    But once you are out of TraumaSurgeryICU, you’re on your own, baby.

  25. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Any idea yet when Fay can go home? During recent years, I was in NW Memorial 4 times, for 3 to 3.5 day stays. In all cases I was incredibly antsy to get out of there and get home. True, my liver wasn’t busted up, but I definitely wanted to go before someone at the hospital was ready to let me leave.

  26. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    On the other hand, there is a man named Butch down there.
    I figure he’s about sixty. His appearance is somewhat intimidating. Imagine the worst looking guy in the worst B movie -set in a prison- you ever saw. He’s that guy.
    He also cheerfully and gently performs the worst patient care jobs you can imagine.

    I truly believe he is an angel sent from God.

    Okay I’m done. Thanks for listening.

  27. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    29
    I have no idea. That’s mostly what I have been venting about!

  28. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    We just got back from Austin visiting my wife’s long time friend in the hospital. She was in a car wreck Christmas Eve night, shattered her heel. She has seen two doctors, drive bys only. She has no idea the plan of action.

  29. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Tomorrow’s another day and everything will be just fine.

    But in the meantime here’s Neil Young and Robbie Robertson.

    http://youtu.be/J2z7LXpAX3Q

  30. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    It’s all really quite surreal down there.
    The street people.
    The 6th floor room overlooking the Houston Zoo.
    The LifeFlight Helicopters deafeningly lumbering in and out.
    The late afternoon winter sun reflecting off the extraordinarily beautiful downtown skyline.
    In the basement “cafe”, the ambiguously gendered person loudly talking on he/she/its’ cell phone.

    What a long strange trip it’s been.

  31. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Oops.
    Here the the link.

    What a long strange trip it’s been

    http://youtu.be/pafY6sZt0FE

  32. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. Peacefully still, no hint of a breeze and 37 at 6, not nearly as chilly as yesterday morning.

    Trudged off to the Fort Bend County Tax Assessor’s Office yesterday afternoon to pay up the property taxes and found the parking lot almost full. That would be unusual the rest of the year, but not in late December. The office is a few years old and sits in the large Fort Bend County Justice Center complex in Richmond.

    It’s state of the art and has a drive up window to transact business from your vehicle. Inside the large lobby is a touch pad kiosk with various types of business categories. Press the one you want and out rolls a ticket with a letter and number for that transaction. There is plenty of bench seating along the walls and a long bank of clerical stations in the middle. An automated voice announces which ticket is being served at which station, and it’s projected on banks of large monitors above the row. The four preceding numbers called are listed below the new one. The whole atmosphere is rather like the waiting places in an airport.

    There weren’t many property tax renderings going on when I was there (could tell by the letter and lower number), and most ticket numbers seemed to be motor vehicle related. The stations apparently can handle all the types of business, but a couple seemed to mostly handle property taxes. Considering the crowd, things moved pretty quickly. I was in and out in 20 minutes.

  33. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    New open comments are. is. might be. hell I dunno are up.
    C’mon Friday

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