Weekend Personal Carry Wins the Data – Open Comments

A report released on April 3 states, “…[A]rmed citizens reduce the number of deaths in active-shooter incidents significantly more than the police do. In fact, armed citizens reduce the number of people killed by 49 percent, while the police increase the number killed by 16 percent in comparison to the omitted class (shooters who are arrested later or stopped by unarmed citizens or stop of their own accord).”

In addition, “Civilians with permits stopped the attacks more frequently and faced a lower risk of being killed or injured than police. Officers who intervened during the attacks were far more likely to be killed or injured than those who apprehended the attackers later.” The study—co-authored by Carlisle E. Moody, Professor of Economics, Emeritus, at the College of William and Mary, and John R. Lott Jr., from the Crime Prevention Research Center—notes, “This result isn’t a criticism of law enforcement, it simply reflects the tactical realities they face. Their uniforms make them visible targets, and longer response times give attackers more opportunity to cause harm.” 

The statistical analysis also found a big difference when the risk is taken by an armed citizen compared to law enforcement when intervening. One percent of permit holders were killed during those encounters in the study period, but the number jumped to 16.5 percent in law enforcement officers.

The report states:

Civilians, by contrast, can intervene when in places they are allowed to carry concealed weapons before an attacker notices them. They also outnumber on-duty police officers by a wide margin. In 2024, 21.5 million Americans—about 8.2% of adults—held concealed handgun permits (Lott et al., 2024). In addition, 29 states allowed Constitutional Carry, which requires no permit at all. Surveys show that 7.2% of likely voters carry all the time, and another 8.4% carry some of the time.

Compare that to the roughly 671,000 full-time sworn law enforcement officers in 2020.  If only a third are on duty at any given time, that leaves about 262,522 officers to protect a population of 340 million—less than 0.1% of the population. Even though police have more training and experience, uniformed officers face greater risks and challenges. They’re less likely to be near an attack when it occurs, and when they are, they’re more likely to be targeted and killed. This paper is the first to compare outcomes in active shooter events based on whether armed civilians or police intervened, highlighting key differences in effectiveness and risk.

plus these news items,

The FBI collects data on “active shooter” incidents, i.e., one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a public area.3 The FBI excludes gang and drug-related violence as well as other criminal acts such as a robbery, as their goal is to focus on those cases that get national news attention where an attacker’s sole goal is to murder people in a public place such as mall, school, or movie theater. Since law enforcement agencies don’t collect this data in crime reports, the FBI worked with theAdvanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University to collect these cases from news reports. Research done at the Office of Justice Programs and Office of Legal Policy, U.S. Department of Justice points out that while the FBI generally does a good job of identifying active shooting cases, they only include some self-defense cases and misidentify others.

plus this news item,

Around closing time at a suburban Indianapolis mall, a heavily armed gunman fired 24 times on a food court within 15 seconds. Several people were shot, three of them fatally. Almost as soon as the gunman began firing, a 22-year-old shopper with a concealed carry permit was able to shoot and kill him, stopping further bloodshed. No charges were filed against the armed citizen. Police say the good Samaritan had no police training or military background. Despite this, he was able to save countless lives.

At the Gold Nugget nightclub in Panama City was closing, the suspect walked outside. After being locked out of the business and enraged over lost property, he got a firearm from his car and began firing into the club occupied by multiple patrons and staff. A patron who is a concealed weapon license holder intervened and fired multiple rounds, striking the suspect at least once. Officers said the patron’s actions were determined to be in self-defense and the self-defense of others.

Read the report. It is fascinating.


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51 responses to “Weekend Personal Carry Wins the Data – Open Comments”

  1. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    We are back from our weekend trip to the Cluster Fork Ranch in Houston County. Great weather and fun visit. Somewhere way down there in the photo is the Trinity River, just gorgeous property.

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      Very nice set-up and I’m liking the Fire Pit.

    2. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      Cluster Fork Ranch. /snuffle snort/ I see what they did there.

  2. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Wildlife have been hanging around our neighborhood lately it seems. Our next-door neighbor came over this morning to collect her beach towel that she had been covering the remains of what we all thought was a squirrel in a plastic bag she put it in that was full of soft fur and only a skeleton left. It had been attacked about a week ago by some animal on the loose, we didn’t know what.

    The strong winds we’ve had blew the bag it was in to be caught on the top rail of our pasture next to the neighbors, who were trying to make a decent disposition of the poor little creature. Spouse thinks the killer might have been a hawk we saw several days ago; we recently found it dead in our back pasture. Just change the characters found dead in this mystery to be people, and you have a good tale to tell. This whole thing is still a mystery of sorts. Mother Nature knows, and she is not talking.

  3. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    There is hope for the world

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      And he’ll fulfill one of those prophecies, to be the last Pope. ‘cuz he’ll never die.

      1. squawkbox Avatar
        squawkbox

        LOL he has already never died.

  4. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    BTW- my rose loving friend scooped my rosy rosary as soon as she saw it. I told Hubby and he cracked up with me.

  5. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    We had our fundraising sale this morning, and it went well. My rosaries made a good contribution to the total raised for our activities that we women host for our church. It was crazy before my 11:00 mass, and after my mass it was also pretty busy. I had purchased some wooden and metal crucifixes before, but they ended up being a tad larger than I thought they’d be, and just a bit too large for my rosaries, so I added them to the table.

    Sebastian showed up as I was serving my fellow parishioners and I left the table to get my hug. He later joined me at the sales table, and I asked him what he was so interested in, and he pointed to those crucifixes. Since I brought them, I figgered I could give them, so I handed him one but asked for a hug in return. He paid up. He then ran excitedly to his father, “LOOK! LOOK!” So cute.

    Later, he came back again and asked for another one. I told him I expected a hug in repayment. “ANOTHER HUG!?” he said. “Yes.” “Aaaarrgghh!” But he smiled and paid up, so I put the crucifix in his hand.

    He came back a third time, asking for another one. I laughed and said he could come back when we were done, and if there were any left I’d give him one. He gave me that dimply smile and ran off.

    He returned about three minutes later. “I said when we were done!” I laughed. He ran off and came back a few minutes later. I caved, but demanded another hug for payment. “Aagghh! Too much hugs!” he said, to which I replied one can never have too many hugs. He got what he wanted and so did I. He now had three of them.

    Later he returned and asked for one for his brother, Charlie, who’s not quite two years old. “Go ask your mommy if Charlie can have one” and he did. So, a few minutes later he got crucifix #4 and I got another hug. This time he didn’t complain at all about the payment.

    The sale ended, and we were closing up. He came up to me, with an offering of a rather bruised rose petal, obviously retrieved from the sidewalk somewhere. I told him I would take it, but it would cost him another hug. He smiled and gave me the hug, and I took the petal. I held it up and told him “I’ll treasure this for…….at least five minutes, I promise!” His face lit up and he said “Really?” “Sure will!” He was so happy.

    As we continued to pack up the few unsold things that we had, he approached me again with a fresh petal in hand. “I picked this one myself!” he said proudly, “and I’m going to treasure this one for at least five minutes!” I smiled and said “That’s awesome, dude! Give me a hug!” He gave me another hug and ran off.

    We were packing up tables and he came to me again. “If I pick up that leaf, you have to give me a hug!” “It’s a deal!” I said. He picked up a dead leaf and I paid up.

    I just love that little kid.

  6. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I had to take a sick day today and may tomorrow as well. I have to hit the doctor’s office early.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Get well soon.

    2. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      I hope you get better soon. Getting old sux.

    3. Adee Avatar
      Adee

      HOPE ALLL IS BETTER BY TOMORROW

  7. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    The Tahoe got 23.6 MPG for the whole 423 mile trip! A little better than average but then, I was driving and had the cruise set on 72 MPH in the 65 MPH zones (US 29 & US 431) and 78 in the 70 MPH zones (I-85 & I-185). Very little in town driving and when we parked it on Thursday we didn’t get it back out until this morning, no running around town. She also averaged 26.3 for a 50 mile stretch on I-185 running 78 and showed 25+ often. It amazes me that a 2 ton vehicle with a 5.3 L, 340 HP engine can get that kind of mileage but it runs on 4 cylinders a lot on the road.

  8. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    We made it home. Rolled in about 11:30 AM CDT, gained an hour leaving Georgia. Dawg was SOOO glad to see us. She’s not stopped wriggling yet but she is slowing down. We stopped off at Waffle House in Union City Georgia, a Burb of Atlanta and had breakfast. I thought about going to the morning Prayer Breakfast at the Convention Center but we really wanted to get home and the 6:30 AM start time was a little early for my wife especially since we didn’t leave the concert until 10:30 PM last night. FWIW; They always a a fine breakfast buffet and you can’t beat the price. 😉

  9. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Our Marian Daughters has a fundraiser sale after all masses today. Lots of beautiful religious objects for sale, my rosaries among them. I saved a few to take with me this morning; two I made yesterday and this morning, and one with rose beads that I intentionally held back.

    There’s a lady in our group that has a thing for roses. Roses are associated with our Blessed Mother, and she scoops up anything with roses on it. I knew that if I gave it to her last week with the rest of them, it would never make it to the sale table.

  10. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Sorry for the time travel brain fart. As I sat at my computer last night, I felt like it was Sunday night and not Saturday night. So, some of you may have had a preview of tomorrow’s post. It has now been put in its proper place.

  11. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Starting my second cup of coffee after getting out a checking out the fitness center, and no I didn’t get on one of those machines and get all sweaty. We’ll be packing up to head out in a bit but we had a great trip and we’re both ready to go to the house.
    Mornin’ Gang

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      Safe travels. Home is always nice to come home to.

  12. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The masked bandit who stole Homeland Security Kristi Noem’s pricey Gucci bag containing $3,000 in cash and other personal items has been arrested, sources told The Post Saturday. 

    and,

    The suspect was busted by the DC Metro Police and the Secret Service, sources said.

    The suspect’s identity was not immediately available, though he is believed to be one of two people involved and part of a large east coast robbery crew. One of the two alleged perps is a migrant.

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      A little surprised that they caught but I guess the Secrete Service has vast resources. But remember the Illegal Alien was just doing the job that most Americans won’t do. 🙁

  13. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Back from the concert and I may be getting old but it was a little too loud for me and I agree with Squawk that now a days Country is more like Rock, no more like Punk Rock. We did have the obligatory drunk blonde get invited onto the stage but instead being of a teeny bopper she was 40 ish. Well we now have videos and I’m thinking Blackmail is in order. 😀

  14. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Finally back at the computer. I made three rosaries earlier today in an attempt to replenish my depleted stash. Then my Second Son showed up and he and his mom each took one. I decided to make another one. I made it while I was cooling down from my treadmill time.

    It looks like a lot of us had things to do, and that’s a good thing,

  15. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Busy day and the NRA Annual meeting went long because of an argument over 4 new amendments to the bylaws. That’s 3 hours of my life that I’ll never get back. In other news we found a neat Tex Mex within walking distance (2 blocks) and had a nice supper. I had enchilada’s beans N rice and my wife had Blackened Mahi Mahi. Very good eating and pretty reasonable. We ate early since we’re going to that concert tonight.
    Oh and TexPat the Franklin NJ Revolver & Rifle Association won the Annual NRA Outstanding Club Award. 😉

  16. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Democrats can’t meme and Chinese can’t satire.

    The Chinese mind has forever been weird as hell. Westerners claim to understand it, but I don’t believe them. This thing made laugh the whole time I’m watching.

    The CCP’s propaganda is taking aim at the Trump administration.

    An AI-generated music video, inspired by the iconic 1960s revolutionary song “We March on the Great Road,” features characters resembling Trump, Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Elon Musk, all holding little red books in front of a massive banner reading “SERVE THE PEOPLE.”

  17. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Here’s the C&C roundup for your perusal. I’ll read and review later.

    Good morning, C&C, it’s Saturday! Time for the Weekend Edition. And just like that, another breaking story consumed yesterday’s news cycle and required a special post to correct the media’s attempt to reframe the narrative. You’re going to love it: first of all, the arrests have started. The FBI perp-walked not just one, but two judges yesterday. And the progressive world is losing its ever-lovin’ mind. Bless their hearts. Here is the real story, which you’ll have trouble finding anywhere else.

  18. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Sorry I’ve been AWOL all day. Had my church thing this morning and totally depleted one of my rosary stashes, so I decided to sit down and make three new ones to start replenishing my inventory.

    Hubby got his new e-trike working, so I went outside to see him try it out. Handsome Son’s best friend saw us out there and he asked his mom if he could stop and say hello to his Second Mom (Me!!!). We four ended up visiting for quite a while. Then Hubby and I tried out the new toy. It will definitely take some getting used to, but I can see Hubby finding it useful at his car shows.

    Oh, and Second Son and his mother both took rosaries, so I’m only one ahead now. /sigh

    I need to treadmill, fix dinner, and then maybe I can jump back into the conversation.

  19. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Maine residents on Senator Susan Collins, due for reelection in 2026.

    If the RNC doesn’t get on the ball and find someone to run against her in the primary and the general as a Republican, they are failing miserably.

    Nearly all demographic categories tracked by the survey said that she does not deserve another term, with libertarians being the only group in which over half of respondents wanted her to have another term, at 58 percent. 

    Among those who did not want to see her in the Senate again were 2024

    Trump voters (60 percent), 2024 Kamala Harris voters (84 percent), CNN viewers (77 percent), Fox News viewers (59 percent), those with a household income of less than $45,000 (68 percent), and those with a household income of over $150,000 (67 percent).

  20. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The school bus rear-ending her car didn’t kill her so they had to find another way.

    The most prominent and public victim of child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has allegedly committed suicide. Reports indicate that Virginia Roberts Giuffre killed herself a week after being literally hit by a bus.

    Users on X and other social media sites are voicing deep skepticism about what is being reported. This is understandable considering all of the lies that have been told for decades by legacy media and government officials alike, both of which covered up Epstein’s crimes before turning against him after his final arrest. Then, there are the improbable scenarios surrounding his alleged suicide that draw extreme skepticism.

    Read this post on X from Virginia Giuffre about “her suicide”. She had 3 children, for crying out loud.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Some of those high schoolers need a hickory shampoo.

  21. CFree Avatar
    CFree

    WIP – and that’s why i don’t buy Land of Lakes butter. The epitome/symbol of the woke crowd.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      I bought Land of Lakes butter for decades until that bitchy, Amazon dyke took over as CEO and removed the Indian maiden image over the objections of her descendants.

    2. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      I like Challenge butter.

      1. Super Dave Avatar
        Super Dave

        I use Challenge Butter.

  22. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Texpat
    I didn’t know if you saw that Steve McMichael, 67, passed this week. He developed ALS in 2021.
    He is in the Longhorn Hall of Honor and the NFL Hall of Fame.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      I almost posted that. It made me sad. He was a great guy.

  23. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    THE WEEK IN PICTURES: FD&C RED NO. 40 EDITION

    Like a juggler keeping multiple plates spinning on top of wooden rods, the Trump administration’s old stories stay in the news–Central American gangs, trimming government, attacking DEI, battling the universities–while each week gives rise to a new one.

     

    This week, it was Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert Kennedy, moving to eliminate artificial dyes from American food. No more Skittles! No more Froot Loops! And it made me wonder: what, exactly, goes into a Dreamsicle? Whether this actually happens remains to be seen. 

    Also, the Pope passed away, with J D Vance apparently one of the last people to see him alive.

    Here at TWIP, we got a few bacon memes, back after a brief absence. But no Star Wars or Star Trek. Not that I’m complaining. But if you send them, I will post them, if I can figure them out.

  24. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The presentation Jill Escher, author of the Tablet autism article, did at Harvard is here. It’s 56 minutes long and I’m sure it’s worth it. I’ll watch later.

  25. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I’m sending the Tablet article on autism Shannon linked to some people I know. The subject is really worrisome and it’s a big deal because New Jersey and California have the highest rates of autism, I believe.

  26. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    By the way, I believe this is the pro-life lady who does her woman-on-the-street videos in the Bronx and Manhattan. She enraged a large black woman a week or so ago who punched her several times in the face and left her bleeding on the street. The woman was finally arrested a few days later after multiple people publicly identified her.

  27. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Reading Shannon’s earlier post, I have worries about Little Prince. It seems autism doesn’t show up in many cases until the toddler years. LP is still in the toddler stage. I keep paying that he’s one of the safe ones.

  28. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Dang, I hope my @ 6:42 AM isn’t too long, edit if necessary.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      It’s good. And informative. And scary.

  29. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Trying to catch up and about the O.C. topic, I RTWDT but looking back to all the great posts yesterday, I checked out Shannon’s Interesting Analysis on Autism and RFK and that sent me down a Rabbit Hole. What caught my attention was that the author of the piece, Jill Escher was the mother of not one but two Autistic children! Two of her three kids had Autism. Unbelievable to me so I searched through several articles and found out what happened.

    Bugs in the program: can pregnancy drugs and smoking disturb molecular reprogramming of the fetal germline, increasing heritable risk for autism and neurodevelopmental disorders?

    My husband and I have three children, born in 1997, 1999, and 2006. With each child there was no reason to worry. Our ancestries reflected nothing like autism or other serious mental or physical pathology, and my conceptions, pregnancies, and deliveries were low-risk and normal. My children were born robust and thriving, on their due dates, and without dysmorphology or birth defect. There is one caveat to that: at his 12-month check-up, my younger son was found to have an unusually large head circumference. His alarmed pediatrician ordered a CT scan, which came back normal.

    Then, mysteriously, in their toddler years it became clear that the latter two of our children (pictured in Fig. 1) were affected by severe, nonverbal forms of autism. They are not just disabled, but extravagantly, catastrophically mentally disabled. They cannot read, write, or talk. They cannot say their own names. Though beautiful and possessed of striking athleticism, they cannot imitate even basic movements or gestures, beyond one or two signs from American Sign Language (ASL). They cannot dress themselves, engage in a simple conversation, or play with any toy. With few functional abilities, their lives are extremely limited and they will require 24-hour, 7-day-a-week care for the rest of their lives, imposing staggering costs not just on our family but on the society at large.

    AND

    In 2010 I obtained a few pages of my mother’s obstetric medical records from the time she was pregnant with me in Los Angeles in 1965. At age 45, it had never occurred to me that I had been prenatally exposed to anything in utero, as my mother did not smoke or drink or have any serious medical conditions. Indeed I remember in law school learning about the catastrophe of the synthetic estrogen ‘anti-miscarriage’ drug diethylstilbestrol (DES), and thinking, ‘Thank goodness I was never exposed to anything horrible like that’.

    That fantasy ended when those old medical records revealed that my mother had been administered heavy and continuous doses of several different synthetic steroid hormone drugs, including synthetic corticosteroids, progestins, and to a lesser degree, estrogens (not DES, however). More details were revealed in 2011 when I came across a 1977 study called ‘Prenatal Exposure to Synthetic Estrogens and Progestins: Effects on Human Development’, by June Reinisch, PhD. This landmark study described for the first time how fetal exposure to synthetic steroids can alter the personalities of the exposed children [10]. As I scanned the abstract on Google Scholar, my jaw dropped when I realized that, as fate would have it, I had been one of the 71 exposed study subjects. In a full-color flashback I finally realized why researchers had delivered all sorts of psychological tests to the 8-year-old me in my Beverly Hills childhood home.

    Scary stuff and by all means RTWDT!

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Good God Almighty ! What a horror story.

    2. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      I’m now wondering what effects the children, grandchildren and great grand children of Covid ‘vaccine’ recipients victims are going to face. What if both new parents had parents who took the jab prior to their conception? Will the altered DNA cause their kids to be mutants? Without DIVINE INTERVENTION I can see lots of potentially serious problems with new babies.
      The Covid jab could be a civilizational time bomb and we just don’t know it yet.

  30. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    This is a great topic and one where the facts are hidden by the Lamestream Media, they don’t want you to know that more guns = less crime. I’ll have to check it out and I do wonder if the O.C. topic has anything to do with the fact I mentioned John Lott last night? 😉 I’ve been following him for years and before he started his crusade he was ambivalent about guns and gun control until he was paid by one of the Gun Control groups (Brady I think) to do a study about guns, crime and self defense. He was shocked at the results but his data wasn’t used by the Gun Control group but it opened his eyes when he realized that we’d all been lied to for years. And the rest is history. He has done a lot of great work.
    Meanwhile back at the ranch I slept a little late, didn’t get up until 5:30 AM EDT. I got my coffee and headed down to the lobby to see what was going on early in the morning and now I’m checking my ten thousand E Mails.
    Mornin’ Gang

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Super Dave didn’t even get a selfie with John Lott like any good fan does.

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