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Narcissism vs. Self-Esteem:   This article makes me compare Clinton, Obama, and Trump.

The “charismatic air” of narcissists– from their flashy attire, to their self-assured behaviors, to their charming glances, to their witty humor– often makes a big first impression. At the same time, people seem to be really good at accurately perceiving narcissism in others based on minimal information (even just physical appearance is usually enough of a cue to accurately perceive narcissism). Which raises an interesting question: why are narcissists– which are characterized by extremely high levels of exhibitionism, arrogance, sense of superiority, vanity, entitlement, exploitativeness, and the incessant need for acclaim from others– so attractive?

I always wondered why Clinton (the lech, not the witch) and Obama were so appealing to so many.  And I wonder if I’m being suckered by Trump – but Trump has a track record of achievement, so there’s that.

Those with a healthy self-esteem believe they are worthy and competent, and strive for intimate, meaningful connections with others, but do not necessarily see themselves as superior to others. In contrast, narcissists think they are superior to others, but they don’t necessarily view themselves as worthy. Indeed, because they often lack an inner stable sense of self-security, the narcissists’ sense of self-esteem is often almost entirely dependent on the validation of others. Could it be that people are confusing the two?

This is just what the researchers found. People who scored high in narcissism and self-esteem were perceived as having higher self-esteem than people who were equally high in self-esteem but less narcissistic…. These results suggest that perceptions of narcissism were being overridden by the positive effect of perceptions of self-esteem on liking.

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Why do people perceive narcissists as having especially high self-esteem?

These findings suggest that those scoring high in narcissism make positive first impressions because people perceive them to have high self-esteem, causing them to overlook their narcissism (even in dating profiles). However, people aren’t attracted to the narcissism per se, and the pattern of greater liking was reversed when perceivers were explicitly told that people scored high in narcissism. Why are so many people misperceiving narcissism as self-esteem? The researchers raise some possibilities.

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A more likely explanation is that narcissists are expert manipulators of the signals associated with self-esteem. Self-esteem is a socially valuable trait, …It’s likely that those scoring high in narcissism are very aware of this fact, and strategically present themselves in ways that convey high self-esteem.

I’ve heard that about Obama.  And Clinton.  Both were master manipulators.

There is also likely an interaction between the perceiver and the narcissist. It takes two to tango. Because those scoring higher in narcissism do tend to be more popular and have larger social networks than those scoring lower in narcissism, people may have the drive to associate with them to attain status by association. After all, to have narcissistic needs is to be human, and narcissists are very good at drawing in vulnerable people who are particularly deficient in their esteem needs.

So the perceiver could be using the narcissist for their own ends.  For a while.  Narcissists make good first impressions because it suits their own needs. But long term?  Don’t count on it.  They are by their very nature, arrogant.

Implications

There are obvious implications here for dating and politics….

In terms of implications for politics, consider this study: “Is high self-esteem a path to the White House? The implicit theory of self-esteem and the willingness to vote for presidential candidates.” Since so many people are swayed in their voting decisions by their perceptions of the self-esteem levels of the candidates, it seems important to accurately distinguish between narcissism and high self-esteem– especially considering that the current president of the United States is giving so much hope and inspiration to narcissistic entertainers that they, too, can one day become president.

Finally, I think there are some important implications for those scoring high in narcissism. I like to think compassionately about all different sources of variation, and I think those who score high on the narcissistic spectrum create a lot of unnecessary suffering for themselves as well as others. Instead of spending so much strategically manipulating the perceptions of others, I believe their time would be better spent cultivating a real sense of self-worth, and genuinely mastering things that make them feel proud of their earned competence.

While we often don’t think about narcissists as suffering, and it’s very easy to look at the showy exhibitionist with mocking glee, we must recognize that to be narcissistic is human, and we all shift our placement on the spectrum throughout our lives. When grandiosity gets too big (my colleague Emmanuel Jauk and I have quantified this tipping point), it can lead to great vulnerability, fear, anxiety, and even depression. Therefore, accurately distinguishing between narcissism and healthy self-esteem is pretty important, not only for the perceiver who scores low in narcissism, but also for those who are addicted to esteem.

Note: A big limitation of these studies is that it that they are mostly conducted on college undergraduates. There is undoubtedly a huge age effect here, and as people get older they most likely become more accurate at distinguishing between narcissism and high self-esteem, and are less likely to find narcissistic displays of confidence attractive even at first acquaintance.


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52 responses to “Wednesday Open Comments”

  1. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Happy hump day.

  2. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    FIRSTICUS AND SECONDARIAN!
    I kilt the blog and its only 7:15

  3. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Today is the anniversary of the day a thug took my wife’s sister Robin’s life fighting over a purse and trying to get into the front door of Cracker Barrel. This is the plaque Cracker Barrel had made and was placed out in the flowerbed in front. They have since put another one out and this one is on display in front of our porch. She was a brave lady that day, most likely saved the life of two of her employees, for sure protected property. We miss her.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      My prayers for your wife and all of you. I did recall it happening in January.

    2. bsue54 Avatar
      bsue54

      I remember vividly being horrified at the story on the news as I was getting ready for work, never imagining the connection. My prayers are with all who knew and loved her, that the pain will decrease a bit more, while the memories are cherished.

  4. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I think I’m going to have to skip the rosary making this morning, probably make one later. This morning, I have to prep for my monthly rosary presentation/class to the pro-life center moms, so I’ll be praying a rosary with them in a bit. I also need to prepare some kind of chart for Hubby that describes our options in changing our self-directed IRA custodian. He has to see it on paper to understand it.

  5. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Mr. Greenfield makes excellent points to which the Trump administration should pay close attention.
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-hamas-surrender-deal-sets-up-trump-to-fail/

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      This is a very disgusting story by Daniel and I’m sure he’s correct.

  6. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The plaintiff is likely to win as CNN engaged in character assassination and a blatant disregard for the truth. One billion $ judgement will leave a serious mark.
    https://freebeacon.com/media/might-not-be-fair-at-all-cnn-reporters-editors-privately-questioned-story-at-center-of-10-figure-defamation-trial-emails-show/

  7. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Man, these 8:30 rehearsals come mighty early for my vocal cords.

  8. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Pam Bondi just handed Senator Whitehouse his ass. Too funny, but it’s not fair to have a brilliant prosecutor answering questions from an imbecile like Whitehouse.
    Oh and Mornin’ Gang late checking in and no i don’t have a note from home. 😀

  9. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Beege Welborn has a truly great story out of Florida on DeSantis and teachers’ unions. Shortly after the November 2022 elections…

    No spoiler. You have to read to the end and it is delicious.

    United Teachers of Dade, Florida’s largest teachers union, failed to meet the requirements of a new state law that requires at least 60% of union members pay dues — setting in motion a decertification process that could leave about 30,000 Miami-Dade public school educators without representation.

    …In the statement, UTD condemned the new requirements, saying “we have not achieved the new 60% membership density mandated by the onerous anti-worker law.”

    and up in Jacksonville,

    …But Terrie Brady, head of Duval Teachers United, argued teachers unions are simply there to advocate for the best interests of their members.

    We think we’re pretty transparent in the work that we do,” Brady said.

    Brady said if the Governor proposal becomes law, unions will abide by it, but she questioned why teachers’ unions are being singled out.

    “Why are others able to have payroll deduction through their cities, state, municipality? You see what I’m saying? Or within the district and we are not,” Brady said.

  10. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Bonecrusher @ 9:05 AM

    If the plaintiff wins his slander/libel case against CNN for a billion dollars and the Ob/Gyn in Georgia wins his defamation case for $30 million against NBC/MSNBC, it will be a figurative if not literal wipeout to the repugnant Alex Marquardt, Jake Tapper, Rachel Maddow Nicole Wallace and reporters Jacob Soboroff and Julia Ainsley. It couldn’t happen to better people. 

  11. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    From Lee Smith at Tablet:

    Trump is screwing up by not cleaning out the NSC sitting right under his nose. This is very bad news. What the hell is he thinking ?

    The Deep State Strikes Back

    Congressional and intelligence sources tell Tablet that the candidate slotted in for the top intelligence spot on the National Security Council is ill suited to serve the president’s agenda. Adam Howard, reportedly the front-runner for the NSC’s senior director for intelligence, is currently staff director for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), chaired by Republican Congressman Mike Turner. According to several current congressional sources, multiple House members have raised concern over an alleged boast made by Turner on Capitol Hill that he’s “taking over Trump’s IC [Intelligence Community].” Presumably, Howard is meant to be his instrument.

    and,

    On Sunday, Joshua Steinman, an NSC official from the first Trump administration, posted a long thread on X reporting that the current NSC is being staffed with holdovers from the Joe Biden administration and others unlikely to serve Trump’s agenda, including Howard, whose intelligence experience is limited to the two years he’s served as HPSCI staff director. Biden’s senior director for intelligence is Maher Bitar, an anti-Israel activist once affiliated with the Students for Justice in Palestine. Bitar also came from HPSCI, where he worked under then-Congressman now-Sen. Adam Schiff, one of Trump’s most vocal opponents on Capitol Hill.

    plus this,

    And yet, say congressional sources, Turner and his deputy Howard have over the past year neglected their constitutionally mandated oversight duties and instead covered for the IC. The sources say that they have impeded efforts to investigate anything that might have embarrassed Biden administration intelligence officials. When reached by Tablet, an HPSCI spokesman declined to comment for the record.

  12. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The congressman Mike Turner of Ohio mentioned in the Lee Smith story below has a Liberty Score at Conservative Review of 43%.

  13. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Best clip from the Pete Hegseth hearings. The women of the US Senate embarrassed themselves, the institution and American women in general.

  14. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    ironic that the sinate sits in judgment of nominees when they’ve caused more destruction to the country the last 3.5 decades than any foreign enemy.

  15. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    All of a sudden totalitariancrats are against weaponization of the doj after four years of reigning hell on trump for 4 years.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      The prosecutions of the J6 crowd and those directed at Trump were based on very shaky, at best legal grounds. Some of the behavior, like the Mar a Lago raid were illegal on their face and totally unnecessary. This is criminal behavior and it needs to be prosecuted. The slag, Liz Cheney, needs to be prosecuted for withholding exculpatory evidence; Ditto Nanzi Pelouzi. Prosecute the miscreants for the actual crimes they committed.

  16. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Nathan Hochman is the new LA County DA after defeating George Gascon, the Godfather of progressive prosecutors. He is Jewish and was a lifelong Republican until he changed to Independent in order win election in dark blue LA. Nathan is bringing hammer down on looters and others.

  17. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    Pencil neck Adam schitt for brains Schiff is a satanic demon.
    hey schitt for brains schiff the 2020 election WAS stolen that’s why you demand Pam bondi say it wasn’t.

    fu and the demonic horse you rode in on you great big glob of greasy grimy gopher schitt.

    had to turn it off after that adam schitt show.

    /rant off.

  18. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I am not pleased with this Hamas hostage deal. It appears Bibi finally realized this was the best deal he was going to get out of Trump. It’s a modified Blinken/Biden deal and I guess Netanyahu got tired of fighting everybody over it. This will not end well. Hamas will rebuild and the crap will start all over again.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      If/when Hamas or whomever attacks Israel again, there will be no such thing as a ‘proportional’ response. Israel will rain fire on them without mercy, as they should.

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        We will see if the Trump administration stands behind that. Read the Lee Smith column at 11:50 AM. The NSC is full of Biden/Obama hacks and apparently they aren’t getting fired.

  19. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    It’s easy to see why the sinate is so corrupt and dysfunctional.

    liars, lunatics, narcissists and psychopaths rule the roost there.

  20. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    KHOU has gone wall to wall with coverage of the fatal shooting of a17 year veteran of Brazoria County Sheriff’s Deputy serving a sex offense warrant in SW Houston (610 Loop near Stella Link).
    This cop killer is, once again, a fugitive. He has a long rap sheet. Imagine that. The Mayor of Houston, once again, raising hell with courts who release repeat violent offenders. What a refreshing change from the last sorry-ass Houston mayor.

    Seemingly, every cop within a hundred miles has joined the search in this area.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I got my first ever “blue alert” on my phone regarding this peeso’crap.

  21. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    This mild speaking, former Indiana legislator has some really great ideas for the miscreants in DC.
    He does not speak well of Hakeem Jeffries, Mike Johnson, UpChuck Schumer or Mitch McConnell.

  22. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Carl Higbie is about to come on Newsmax. He oughtta be on fire! tonight.

    /popping popcorn and settling onto my couch

  23. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    ALERT.
    STAND BY FOR IMPORTANT NEWS UPDATE…

    New Year’s Day theft of priceless Buccee’s Beaver costume caught on camera!! Juveniles tracked down and arrested.

  24. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have been fortunate to watch some of the Cabinet hearings. So far, each of these candidates has been impressive. But most excitingly, they have been appropriately aggressive while defending our side.
    Bondi particularly fun to watch as she strategically chose her moments to start punching back like Cassius Clay. Brutal.

    Dare be I hopeful?
    Might as well. Beats the alternative.

  25. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Dirty Laundry

    ….get the widow on the set….

    One of my favorite take-downs of the Press.

  26. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Just in case you didn’t know, it’s gonna get a bit uncomfortably cold in the greater Houston area next week.

  27. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Update on search for cop killer.

    K-9 officer has been air lifted after being shot in the last hour.

    I guess they’re getting close to catching the perp.

  28. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Cop killer dead.

    Good news.

  29. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    This is quite bizarre.

    KHOU reporter interviewing a homeless man – who lived under a nearby bridge – about what he saw during this incident.

  30. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Bellville Texas

    Monday 37 / low 19 / windchill 14
    Tuesday 31 / low 24 / windchill / 12
    Tuesday 2 to 3″ of snow

    1. Shannon Avatar
      Shannon

      Yep. I know.
      Glad I’m off until next Wednesday.

  31. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Old Joe is signing off tonight.

    I’m sneaking up on 70, this year.

    Surely this guy is the most souless President in my lifetime.

    Good riddance, you dark bastard.

    Yeah, yeah, Texpat, I know. You told me so many years ago about him.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      I’ve despised that sonuvabitch since the Clarence Thomas hearings 33 years ago. He is a worthless excuse for a man.

  32. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Winter is apparently determined to make a grand entrance next week, so we need to be prepared by Tuesday at the latest. Shop for groceries this weekend at the latest while there is still some selection, and get all the stuff needed from the hardware stores while they still have it in case the power goes out at home.

    We won’t know how many newcomers have snow experience or how many don’t, so there could be panic time some places.

  33. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    The video of three or four officers carrying the K-9 officer to the DPS helicopter for transport to the vet hospital was so amazing.

  34. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I suddenly got real busy this evening. Our Bryan property has been on the market for less than 24 hours and already we have a serious bite, maybe two. I’ve been busy texting realtor and tenants regarding a showing time tomorrow, and getting a lease extension ready for our A unit tenant. We need to have that in place asap, so I’ll be driving up in the morning and back in the afternoon.

    Then, tomorrow night I have a Catholic Daughters meeting. I may be AWOL for most of the day tomorrow.

  35. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Hubby has taken to watching Carl Higbie with me on Newsmax. He and I were both guffawing.

    Love that dude.

  36. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Speaking of Higbie, he had such a funny moment a day or so ago. Remember – this is a guy who has a resume that includes SEAL time and tours of duty, up front and personal with the bad guys. He still works out and I wouldn’t want to get on his bad side in a dark alley. And he’s a hard core patriot.

    He was going through some email responses to his show, and some soy boy was acting all bada$$, calling Higbie an in-person wimp, and daring Higbie to a boxing match.

    After reading that message, Higbie just looked at the camera, paused ever so briefly, then broke into a big grin. Another pause, just holding that smile. He replied that he’d meet the soy boy anywhere, anytime, and reminded everyone that he boxed for fifteen years, so yeah, no problem.

    That grin just cracked me up.

  37. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    With my busy schedule today (and tomorrow), I missed dragging y’all down to my happy place:

    Good morning, C&C, it’s Wednesday! We are officially five days away from the reality of hopes and dreams long prayed-for. I’m grateful to have wandered through the wilderness with all of you. In today’s wonderful Wednesday roundup: Hegseth’s confirmation hearing started with a lot of sound and fury but wound up being short and sweet; flag fracas symbolizes Democrats’ latest attempt to criminalize President Trump by twisting the law into a crooked pretzel; random, small Starbucks rules change signals massive culture shift; and an incredible new peer-reviewed study joins the small handful of undeniable studies finding fatal flaws in the mRNA shots.

  38. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I may be AWOL for most of the day tomorrow.

    We’ll do our best.

    I’ve been running a volunteer transport service to a 7am Physical Therapy appointment for a post-op young girl without a ride. Then kill an hour at the local coffee shop and then transport her to High School by 8am.
    Too damn early for me. But don’t tell her I said so.
    🙂 🙂 🙂

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      Bless you.

    2. squawkbox Avatar
      squawkbox

      Good on ya. Your secret is safe with me.

  39. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Mr. C. coined a great acronym, one that I’m willing to steal:

    The military’s only job is breaking stuff and killing our enemies. Much of what is wrong with our country was well illustrated in this single image from Hegseth’s confirmation hearing: a shrill Affluent White Female Liberal (AWFL) who hallucinates she’s an Indian shrieking at a competent male candidate, for not being sufficiently feminine, and lacking liberal characteristics that have nothing to do with breaking anything or killing anybody:

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