Wednesday 14A Open Comments

From Dr. Malone’s Substack:

Birthright Citizenship Will be Overturned

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”

-Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution

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Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Citizenship Clause, was ratified by Congress on July 9, 1868, and was meant to extend citizenship to freed slaves and their children.

Whether or not the 14th Amendment applied to people who were not citizens was challenged …. and the Supreme Court ruled in 1898 in a case known as “United States v. Wong Kim Ark.” This was the landmark Supreme Court ruling that determined that a child, in this case, Wong Kim Ark, born in the United States to parents who were ineligible for naturalization … was still a U.S. citizen…. This established a precedent for birthright citizenship…. The Supreme Court has not revisited this ruling, so the precedent of the Wong Kim Ark stands to this day. It all seems straightforward enough. Right? Wrong…

The fourteenth amendment clearly states that persons born in the United States must be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

The question is, what does that phrase mean?

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But the truth is that the United States v. Wong Kim Ark case is very different from what has happened today. That is, the masses of illegal aliens using this legal precedent to cross the border for the purpose of having “anchor babies.” …

My opinion is that President Trump’s executive order will target those children who are born to illegal aliens, as he has said in multiple interviews.

It’s important to note that while Wong Kim Ark’s parents were legally residing in the United States, they were not eligible for U.S. citizenship due to the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

Section 1 of the 14th amendment was never meant to apply to the children of people in this country illegally.

An excellent article on the 14th amendment was written in 2018, by Hans A. von Spakovsky, legal scholar at the Heritage Foundation. In that article, he explains:

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.

The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country.

As John Eastman, former dean of the Chapman School of Law, has said, many do not seem to understand “the distinction between partial, territorial jurisdiction, which subjects all who are present within the territory of a sovereign to the jurisdiction of that sovereign’s laws, and complete political jurisdiction, which requires allegiance to the sovereign as well.”

In the famous Slaughter-House cases of 1872, the Supreme Court stated that this qualifying phrase was intended to exclude “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” This was confirmed in 1884 in another case, Elk vs. Wilkins, when citizenship was denied to an American Indian because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe and not the United States.

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Even in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the 1898 case most often cited by “birthright” supporters due to its overbroad language, the court only held that a child born of lawful, permanent residents was a U.S. citizen. That is a far cry from saying that a child born of individuals who are here illegally must be considered a U.S. citizen.

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How this could all play out in the coming months and years:

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and other Republican legal scholars argue that “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” should exclude the children from illegal aliens from the protections.

This could be accomplished simply by applying Section 5 of the 14th Amendment. Section 5 states that: “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

Hence, by a simple majority, Congress can clarify the Section 1 clause of the 14th Amendment. [emphasis mine]

…we can expect that President Trump’s executive order will rely on legal scholars …

This will then be followed by Congressional action to clarify further and enforce the full provisions of section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

Of course, it will be challenged in the court of law, with the Supreme Court making the final determination.

The final result will most likely be a scaling back of the 14th Amendment to its original intent. It won’t happen as quickly as one might hope, but it will happen. This will alter the fabric of the United States for future generations and is critically important to maintaining the fabric and nature of American society.

Legal immigration will not stop, nor does anyone want it to. But the United States can not allow unfettered and illegal immigration. The vast majority of Americans agree on this point.

These controls start with both the closing of the border and the loophole developed by the Supreme Court ruling of 1898, which is known as “United States v. Wong Kim Ark”. President Trump is right – birthright citizenship will end because the legal precedent used to maintain this status quo is defunct. It is just a matter of time and will. President Trump has the will and four more years – so let’s get it done!


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47 responses to “Wednesday 14A Open Comments”

  1. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    When in doubt.
    reboot.
    yes but did you cold boot it?

  2. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Since I suspect I had picked up a virus, I started taking some of this stuff. I’m feeling better, just a day and half after I started taking less than usual doses.

  3. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Our boiler’s not working. Hubby is looking at it, and Handsome may be coming over after his school time tonight, where he teaches. Handsome and wife are leaving in the morning for Dallas, where his new company is having a dinner Christmas party, and DIL’s sister has a graduation the next night.

    I have lotsa blankets and a heating pad for the bed. I’ll be fine.

  4. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I understand this delivery guy. I like dogs, but not all dogs like me.

  5. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I don’t know of anyone who left such a mark on the American personality than Rush.

  6. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Receiving the Medal Of Freedom

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      I’m not cryin’, you cryin’?

      1. Shannon Avatar
        Shannon

        Sinus problem.

    2. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Rush truly earned this award. He did more to advance the conservative cause and shine the light on the hypocrisy of the left than anyone else.

  7. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    FemiNazis refusing to breed.

    Surely missing you, Rush.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Wish he could have witnessed this. At least El Rushbo got to see Trump 1.0.

  8. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’ll just drop the C&C roundup and stop there; I have some work to do while my head is still able to be situated above my torso.

    Good morning, C&C, it’s Wednesday! Your roundup today includes: Trump makes another stellar nomination that confounds the liberals; Humpty McConnell had another great fall, but is still firing on two cylinders; Britain’s government healthcare system forced to reverse itself over nauseating chestfeeding guidance; New York Times makes people hate it even more over horrifying Danny Penny headline; Trump judge ends Obamacare for illegal immigrants; media trumpets new study finding cause of young turbo cancers; more good news on the border invasion that is looking less invasion-ey by the minute; and the FBI informs Congress it is officially baffled by the unidentified flying drones over New Jersey.

  9. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I had to spend a good part of the afternoon in a horizontal position on the couch. I’m (unhappily) vertical, for now. The pain killers aren’t, dangit. Back on the crutches.

  10. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    I just saw a blur on Fox of Biden saying that he is leaving Trump the best economy ever! And if you don’t believe him just check out the article in Time Magazine. Time Magazine?!?! TIME MAGAZINE?!?! BAWHAHAHAHA!!!!! yeah Right! 😀

  11. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I had no Internet for a couple hours this morning (on the road).

    I had just about decided the Iranians and their little drone army on our east coast had shut it all down.

  12. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Holy Crap !

    A New Jersey congressman claimed Wednesday that the mystery drones over the Garden State are from Iran, and they’re being launched by a mothership parked off the East Coast.

    Rep. Jeff Van Drew, a Republican, said the drones “very possibly could be” from Iran, citing confidential sources during an appearance on Fox News Wednesday morning.

    “These drones should be shot down,” he said, adding that “the military is on full alert with this.”

    and,

    “These are from high sources, I don’t say this lightly,” he added, categorically ruling out that the drones were being flown by hobbyists or the US government itself.

    Van Drew’s startling claim comes as officials have continually told Americans that the drones pose no threat — even as the FBI has admitted it has no idea what they are or how to stop them.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      This constitutes gross dereliction of duty bordering on treason. Heads must roll for this. If there is a ‘mother ship’ off the east coast, it should be seized and/or sunk.

  13. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    We don’t do any online banking or financial transactions. But there is a ton of information on everyone stored on these clouds. There have a lot of people buying AMD stock that may get hammered with this news.

    If a VM has been backdoored, the cryptographic attestation will fail and immediately alert the VM admin of the compromise. Or at least that’s how SEV-SNP is designed to work. BadRAM is an attack that a server admin can carry out in minutes, using either about $10 of hardware, or in some cases, software only, to cause DDR4 or DDR5 memory modules to misreport during bootup the amount of memory capacity they have. From then on, SEV-SNP will be permanently made to suppress the cryptographic hash attesting its integrity even when the VM has been badly compromised.

    “BadRAM completely undermines trust in AMD’s latest Secure Encrypted Virtualization (SEV-SNP) technology, which is widely deployed by major cloud providers, including Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Azure,” members of the research team wrote in an email. “BadRAM for the first time studies the security risks of bad RAM—rogue memory modules that deliberately provide false information to the processor during startup. We show how BadRAM attackers can fake critical remote attestation reports and insert undetectable backdoors into _any_ SEV-protected VM.”

  14. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Chris Loesch, husband of Dana:

    Hey CEOs of big companies that overwhelmingly support Democrats and leftist causes. Do you see how Hollywood and leftist news are making a hero out of a guy that murdered one of you? Do you see them making him a sex symbol? Do you care about your life or your families?

    Stop feeding the beast!

  15. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This video is a must watch. I would be happy if we would just let Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana interrogate all the generals and admirals in the military. It would take but a few minutes with each to determine which ones to fire.

    Kennedy humiliated this man for his incredible arrogance and stage 4 TDS.

    Manner began his opening statement by highlighting his 35 years of service in the military, including roles such as Deputy Commanding General of the United States Third Army in Kuwait and Acting Vice Chief of the National Guard Bureau. He praised the U.S. military, which has become a joke under Joe Biden, as “the envy of the world,” admired by allies and feared by enemies. Manner emphasized the “diverse” backgrounds of military personnel, noting that despite their differences, they are united in upholding values like “duty, honor, integrity, respect, selfless service, loyalty, personal courage, and excellence.”

    Manner also expressed “grave concern” about President-elect Trump’s plan to use the military for mass deportations, warning that it could cause “significant harm” to both the military institution and its service members.

  16. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Another one from Insurrection Barbie:

    To all the feminists pledging to withhold sex in protest of Trump’s election…If you actually possessed that level of discipline, abortion wouldn’t have been your #1 issue to begin with.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      As the hipsters would say: “Sick burn”

  17. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This woman is on my list of favorite X commentators.

    Insurrection Barbie

    @DefiyantlyFree

    Nov 2

    JLo spent 30 mins crying and warning everyone about Donald Trump but she didn’t warn one single person about Diddy.

    Ok. Got it.

  18. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    It’s a balmy, rainy day here at 63 degrees. When we get up on Saturday morning it will be 18 degrees heating up to a high of 36.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Sounds like lots of ice on the roads and sidewalks. Be careful where you tread, lest you fall.

  19. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I think it is pretty clear to most thinking people that vote by mail represents an unreasonable breach in voting integrity. From this article there is this gem:

    Pollsters have previously uncovered evidence that mail-in voting fraud was endemic and extensive enough to sway the results of the 2020 election.

    The fraud was blatant and widespread in mail in votes. It is impossible to reasonably secure the mail in ballot, therefore the practice should be banned. If states insist on having mail in ballots that inevitably taint the election, their electoral votes should not count.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Every nation in Europe that tried mail-in voting ended up banning it. The people running the voting procedures in America are not stupid. They know this, but they’re doing it to cheat and for no other reason.

      1. Bonecrusher Avatar
        Bonecrusher

        Those in charge of the voting (DemoNazis) love to throw out the disenfranchisement slur against the Rs while at the same time they are actively disenfranchising legitimate votes with every fraudulent vote. They may not be stupid, but they assume the American public is and act accordingly. They have been getting away with it because of the numerous eunuchs with Rs behind their names. The Reckoning is coming.

  20. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Dang, I forgot to wish Squawk a happy “Pansexual and Panromantic Pride Day !”

    “Today on Pansexual and Panromantic Pride Day, everyone deserves to feel seen, respected and supported—no matter who they love. Create a world where everyone feels proud to be themselves!” HHS declared in the tweet.

    and,

    Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., who will become a senator next month, tweeted, “Glad this type of bulls— will end on Jan 20! Can’t come soon enough.”

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      I really hope this sort of nonsense is on the DOGE chopping block

    2. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Happy PPP Day Squawk!

    3. squawkbox Avatar
      squawkbox

      Oh it is on now. The gauntlet has been dropped. I may not get ya today or tomorrow or next week But rest assured when you least expect it …………
      Pay back is a

  21. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Comedian Rob Schneider is producing a new show on Fox that will be all women and run head up against The View. Put those silly, absurd women on ABC out of business. It’s way past time somebody did this. It is supposed to start in early January.

  22. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well my 3 boxes of very expensive NOS Remington 38 S&W ammo is sitting on the UPS loading dock over in enterprise waiting to be loaded up and sent through the Reservation to this old house.

  23. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    While President-elect Trump can end birthright citizenship by executive order….

    I did not realize a simple executive order could override an amendment.

    1. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      It wouldn’t override the amendment per se. It would put a stricter interpretation of the text in place.

    2. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      No president can do that. The concept of birthright was decreed by a federal judge in 1898 and its supporters merely misuse language in the 14th Amendment to lamely justify it.

      Trump can issue the executive order, leftists will probably get an emergency injunction so Congress will need to pass a simple rejecting birthright by aliens.

      The only exception I would make is for immigrants who have come here legally, have qualified for green cards and are waiting out the ridiculous process we have for obtaining citizenship. I would probably include foreign citizens who have enlisted in the US military in order to fast track their citizenship.

      1. Bonecrusher Avatar
        Bonecrusher

        Yes to citizenship for legal entries and legal green card holders, provided that they have not been convicted of any crimes, including DWI. Yes to enlistees in the US military, provided that they have a clean record and an honorable discharge. Both groups still have to wait their time just like everybody else. NO to citizenship for illegal entries and those who have been previously deported. As far as the DACA kids go, any criminal record and you are gone, if you came as a DACA kid and are now an adult, working and contributing to society I think a strong case can be made for you to stay.

  24. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    …and there were only 3 dozen people out of 344 million in America who believed Roe vs Wade would ever be overturned.

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      I’ll admit that is a very good point. FWIW; I was NOT in that 3 dozen people that thought it would ever happen. Oh and I still haven’t read the piece, hopefully it’ll enlighten me. 😉

  25. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Happy Hump Day fellow couch dwellers.

  26. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Oh and about the O.C. topics, I finally got to read the “Counterrevolution Blueprint” the other day and it was really good.
    Well it’s 53 now down from 55 when I got up and that will be our high for the day. This after my wife turned on the A/C last night. 😉

  27. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Birthright Citizenship Will be Overturned

    I hate to bust your bubble but that’ll NOT happen. Not in my lifetime. First, I’ve not read the piece but even though everyone and his cousin knows the Fourteenth Amendment was to give freed slaves citizenship it was bastardized to get around immigration laws so Democrats and Republicans alike could get their cheap labor force. There might be a lot of screaming and chest pumping by the likes of John Cornyn, Linda Graham and John Thune BUT they’ll not try to correct the problem. NEVER!
    In other news we’re finally getting a good rain, 3.69″ since Monday, 2.19″ yesterday. .84″ now and still raining a little. Thank you Lord.
    Mornin’ Gang

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