Monday’s Passover Treatise on Abrahamic Religions

The Departure of Abraham by Jozsef Molnar, 1850

The twentieth century trope of an Abrahamic triad originated with what I always thought was a hopeful nod to New Age, We Are the World feelgoodism.  

We come from the same origin, the same theological father, so why can’t we all just get along ?

I have never been able to buy into the idea Judaism, Christianity and Islam were mere divergent threads of an identical cloth.  I discovered the distinguished Harvard professor of religion, Jon Levenson, about 13 years ago and was delighted he believed, as I do, Islam does not belong and its claim to Abraham’s heritage is false and unsupportable.

Levenson wrote this essay in 2010 titled The Idea of Abrahamic Religions: A Qualified Dissent and then expanded it into a best-selling book published in 2012.  The book resulting from the ideas in this essay (link is below) is more concise and direct in ultimately rejecting an Abrahamic triumvirate of religions.

Needless to say, groups like this have their work cut out for them. For it certainly seems that most Jews, Christians, and Muslims regard Abraham as the father of their own community alone, a view that is easily explained if we consider the foundational literatures of the three putatively Abrahamic communities. In Judaism, Abraham serves as the first Jew, the biological father of most Jews and the adoptive yet no less real father of those who have converted to the religion of his descendants. For Christians, Abraham has long been “the father of all that believe,” in the words of the apostle Paul (Rom 4:5), who clearly thinks that what those believers believe—and what the patriarch’s life prefigures—is the core message of the gospel. In the Islamic case, as early as the Qur’an, Abraham is emphatically said to be neither a Jew nor a Christian but rather a muslim, one who has submitted to God. In the words of the Muslim scripture itself, “the people who are worthiest of Abraham are those who followed him, together with this Prophet and the believers.” As an imam in Jerusalem put it not long ago, “Abraham is the father of one religion, and that religion is Islam.” That there are now, and have long been, Jews and Christians who make the same statement in behalf of their own religions merits serious thought.

and,

From what I have said so far, one could easily devise a simple contrast between the Jewish and the Christian interpretations of their common father that would go like this: The Jewish understanding of Abraham focuses on the Jewish people, and others are brought in only to highlight the blessedness of Abraham and the family that descends from him. The Christian understanding of Abraham is no less focused on a specific group, in this case the Church, but it conceives of Abraham in an expansive context, as a man who bears a message of universal import, foreshadowing the universal aspirations of the Church for its gospel. Whereas, to revert to Genesis 12:3, the Jews think all the families of the earth shall bless themselves by reference to Abraham, the Christians think that in Abraham all the families of the earth shall be blessed. Though each tradition is particularistic in its own way, Judaism is inward-looking and Christianity outward-looking. But this grand contrast, like so many others involving these two traditions, is much too simple.

plus this,

There is something truly outward-looking and expansive in the story of the man who is promised that he shall be “the father of a multitude of nations,” and the efforts of the three “Abrahamic religions” to associate him exclusively with their own communities cannot altogether obliterate this. But in the case of Jews and Christians, the commonality of the three communities will always be limited by the focus of the book of Genesis on chosenness or election. The very claim that God has graciously singled out a particular people—the people of Israel or the Church—constitutes both a bond and a barrier between these two continuing communities, one that they do not share with Islam. But even in the case of Jews and Christians, to speak of the Abrahamic legacy as only a bond, or as only a barrier, is to simplify matters to the point of falsification. In this instance, as in so many others, the challenge before Jews and Christians alike is to uphold with integrity both the connections and the divisions. Since today the pressure to uphold the connections is vastly greater than the pressure to uphold the divisions, this is, alas, no easy task.

Jon Levenson has gone to great lengths to be accommodating and tolerant here.  His book linked as follows  is less concerned with diplomacy.  The best-selling book is Inheriting Abraham: The Legacy of the Patriarch in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam .

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56 responses to “Monday’s Passover Treatise on Abrahamic Religions”

  1. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well this looks interesting I’ll have to check it out.Much cooler here at 48 degrees after the front came through but it didn’t produce any rain to speak of, .10″ to be exact. But it’ll be in the low 70’s here and back to the 80’s in a couple of days. SO! It’s Monday time to hit the ground running.
    Mornin’ Gang

  2. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Oh and if you were at all interested in my Trivia Question yesterday; how did Baton Rouge get it’s name? I answered it in my @ 9:44 PM last night.
    I thought about it after Shannon posted something about Sam Houston distinguishing himself serving under Andrew Jackson in the war at the Battle Of Horseshoe Bend in eastern Alabama.

  3. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    It looks like the UAW has finally taken the first step to destroy the automobile industry in the south. Unionizing the VW Plant in Chattanooga. Rumor has it that the Mercedes Plant in Vance Alabama is next. ~SPITS~

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Those VW workers in Tennessee may just find themselves ex-workers if they put much pressure on a seriously struggling employer.

  4. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    So Texpat, none of my business but I saw the picture of you and your lovely granddaughter and was wondering about your eye? Also it looks like you’ve lost weight.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      LOL, Dave. I was actually winking when HH took the photo. I chose it because Ellie Ruth looks as if she is surprised about something with her hand over her mouth.

      Last summer, I was down to my target weight of 185. Since, the doctors have put me on a couple of drugs that seem to be jacking with my insulin/sugar levels that have always been perfect. I’m actually 11 -12 lbs. overweight right now and cannot seem to lose it.

      1. Super Dave Avatar
        Super Dave

        Great, I at first thought you might be winking but your eye seemed so tightly shut but I guess the camera caught it just right. 😉

  5. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Today is known as Erev Pesach (Passover) or the day preceding a Jewish holiday that always begins at sundown. The Torah states each begins with sunset.

    Pesach is the 8 day celebration of the Jews escaping slavery in Egypt. It is the oldest continuously observed religious holiday in history.

    I have a lot to do since we’re having a small Seder here tonight. I have some cooking left and other items to take care of. I’ll comment as I can.

  6. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well dang and I really liked the Reacher series.

    Reacher’ Star Alan Ritchson Attacks Christians Who Support ‘Rapist’ Trump: ‘He’s Their Poster Child’

    “Trump is a rapist and a con man, and yet the entire Christian church seems to be treat him like he’s their poster child, and it’s unreal,” he told the trade publication. “I don’t understand it.”

    He also said: “Christians today have become the most vitriolic tribe. It is so antithetical to what Jesus was calling us to be and to do.”

    And Ritchson had even harsher words for the Catholic Church.

    “It’s worth saying that the atrocities that are happening in the church that are being actively covered up, even to this day with people not being held accountable, is repulsive,” he reportedly said. “I can’t for one second support the Catholic Church while there are still cardinals, bishops and priests being passed around with known pedophilic tendencies.”

  7. Tedtam Avatar

    But yet “Reacher” will support and industry where sex trafficking and sexual abuse runs rampant.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      The Woke Mind Virus, WMV, has consumed Reacher’s brain. It is rare, but possible, that such cases ever recover, see Whoopie Goldberg and Joy Behar as examples.

  8. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    It’s absolutely amazing to watch the Ivy League schools self-destruct like this. They will never recover the once infallible reputation they had.

  9. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Good morning all y’all. Monday … coffee.

  10. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Texpat
    Could you please give me a link to your post? It appears to be circumcised out of a greater treatise I would like to read it in full context. I understand Jon Levenson’s theorem but I need some information in full context and some indication of a conclusion.

    I agree/disagree with him on different points

    NOTE no way am I buying his book

  11. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    If sane people were running NYC, this garbage would not happen. THe appropriate thing would be to arrest with extreme prejudice all who refused to leave the field when the children showed up to play their scheduled game.
    HEADLINE: NYC high school soccer game canceled after group of about 30 migrants refuse to leave the field — even after cops showed up

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      Yup, that’ll do it! This is SOO fitting! Linda, let’s start another war Graham and draft dodging Richard, I served in Vietnam Blumenthal on the same stage! FWIW; I only watched a little of it since I know what these cowards will say. ~SPITS~

      1. squawkbox Avatar
        squawkbox

        I remember when Graham was a darling of conservatives, Oh the praises that were sung. Funny that love triangle lasted for about 4 months and then the mask came off. And the bastige continues to get reelected. -Hocks a loogie-

        1. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
          Dr phil Good-E=1984

          Heh. Funny squawka Bruddah.

  12. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    For 100 Years, Horse Diving Was A Thing, And Was Every Bit Crazy As It Sounds. The pictures in the story are worth the investment of time to look.

    Pictured below is Sonora Webster Carver wife of doc Carver. For many years those two did a horse diving act. BTW she is a brunette.

  13. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Squawk

    This is the best I can do.

    Jewish Center for Public Affairs review.

    This apparently is the entire book by chapter online at Project Muse, an academic open source archive.

    I didn’t post this because I am positive I agree with everything Levenson writes. It is a dense piece and there is a lot to digest. He was the first well known Jewish authority I am aware of to make the case Islam is not qualified to be an Abrahamic religion with Christianity and Judaism. He writes from a Jewish perspective and I don’t expect all Christians to agree with everything he says.

    In fact, if I had to agree with every writer 100%, I probably wouldn’t post anything online except my own work.

    1. squawkbox Avatar
      squawkbox

      I watched an interview with Levenson about that book.
      Interesting if you want to watch it.

  14. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Also, are both links above, one to the essay and one to the book, working for everyone ? They are both working for me.

  15. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Texpat, RE: Levenson….. Reading the blurb you pulled from has forced me to read his book (on line). I know your approach on the post so I will not be busting your chops about it. I am, however, curious about what else he has got to say since you did add

    His book linked as follows is less concerned with diplomacy.” 🙂

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Levenson had to know this would set a lot people’s hair on fire, especially the radical ecumenicists who believe just by inviting Islam into the Abrahamic tent they would get all peaceful and ignore the barbaric commands in the Koran. He published the essay before the book to see what the reaction would be.

      1. squawkbox Avatar
        squawkbox

        There is a move in Christiandumb that is dangerous. Chrislam. Sadly many Jews have bought into the premise that we all serve “the same God”. WE DO NOT. Christianity and Jews (and me) serve the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Islam does not. I waned to see. if Levinson was heading in that direction….. with a little more reading I was relieved to see he is not.

  16. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Okay I know everyone here just wants to live your life and not worry bout all these world events. Well. sorry, you really need to watch Brit Gillettes video. Congress just signed off on a bill that amounts to a knife in America’s belly.
    . .

  17. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    If you are a responsible person, ignore this.

    I can’t tell you how much you will regret not having copies (front and back) of every card and license in your wallet.

    Just ask me how I know.

    There’s a special security number on your drivers license, now.
    You cannot make an appointment at the DL office without it.
    Thank the Lord my bank was able to provide me with a copy of my license .

    Now I’m headed to the County Clerk’s office to get a new birth certificate. Because the Certified, stamped copy that I have, inexplicably, isn’t good enough anymore.

    The bank cards were pretty easy to cancel, even on a Saturday evening.

    But Exxon pulled the same “special security number” crap. Just like the DPS. But after ten tries, I was finally able to speak to a human at Exxon.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Don’t let me forget to get a new birth certificate when I’m down there. I still don’t have a Real ID NJ drivers’ license.

      1. Super Dave Avatar
        Super Dave

        I don’t think that you can get on a plane without one.

    2. squawkbox Avatar
      squawkbox

      And I repeat
      YIKES

    3. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      So you need your birth certificate to replace your license? Or did you not already have the star?

  18. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    When cnn and mr potatoheadNBC, featuring a mika the mako shark sushi buffet every morning with your cup of morning Joe-blow me down, start singing his praises you know the phony Christian, lizard skinned preacher of the Louisiana swamp has jumped the giant megalodon alligator.

    never seen a group of people actually celebrate the destruction of the country they were sworn to protect. High fiving and backslapping each other. Gleams in their eyes. Huge smiles on their faces and so much joy in their hearts you’d think you were watching a Benny Hinn faith healing Holy Ghost inspired tent revival.

    would Churchill have let his country suffer a mass invasion like the phony preacher and the mike McMockingbirdCall have done?

    keep waving those Ukrainian flags you house republicant’s boys because you’re going to lose bigly in 2024.

    you’re gonna reap what you’ve sown losers.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/20/politics/mike-johnson-ukraine-aid-russia-zelensky-putin/index.html

  19. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Birth Certificates must now be on official State Of Texas “blue paper” to be considered valid.

    Check the Austin County website under Birth Certificates to find out all of the documents required.

  20. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Now I’m headed to the County Clerk’s office to get a new birth certificate. Because the Certified, stamped copy that I have, inexplicably, isn’t good enough anymore.

    Yup, I went through all that BS when I renewed my last Texas License, in 2016 I think. When I got my Alabama License my Texas Star was good enough identification to get the star here. No BS. BTW; IF you’re an illegal alien you can get on a plane without even a photo ID!!!! Beam Me Up Scotty!!!!!

    1. Shannon Avatar
      Shannon

      And they give you a $1500 debit card, too.
      And maybe a phone.

  21. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Second person has died in the Brenham Drivers License office crash.

  22. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Guess what?

    I ran into Brookshire Brothers just now…..one last long shot to see if my card holder was turned in since Saturday at closing time. And it was there.
    Well, I’m going to have all new credit cards,
    Medicare Card, Supplement Card. anyway. And I’m the proud owner of a Certified Birth Certificate ($23.00).

    At least I don’t have to fight the Drivers License replacement insanity.

    And I got back my much-loved saddle leather cardholder.

    1. squawkbox Avatar
      squawkbox

      MAZEL TOV!!!!!!

    2. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      It kind of restores some faith that not all people suck when good things like this happen.

      1. Shannon Avatar
        Shannon

        I guess it’s payback for the several times that I have returned a found wallet. 🙂

    3. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      That.s great!

  23. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    How fast do you think SWAT Teams with helicopters and armored vehicles would be launching onto all the Ivy League campuses if protestors rioters were screaming ,”Kill all the black people ! Rape their women ! Go back to Africa !”

    or perhaps,

    Camel Jockeys die ! Rape the raghead women ! Go back to your sand sh*tholes !

    1. squawkbox Avatar
      squawkbox

      Boy are you and I on the same tack today. I was just thinking about how we are seeing/hearing “Death to America” in our own land and not one cry against.

  24. Dr phil Good-E=1984 Avatar
    Dr phil Good-E=1984

    Just found out that the phony preacher speaker broke the hastert rule to get the 95 billion blood money package passed but wouldn’t do the same for the border security bill.

    heard clips of him lying and whining about only having a one seat majority yet baby Jane pelosi would’ve gotten everything she wanted with just a one seat majority.

    the groupofCons.

    The party of sellouts and losers.
    they’re going to be shocked and awed by how many seats they lose in 2024 but they won’t care because that’s what they’ve wanted all along anyway.

  25. Tedtam Avatar

    Finally settling behind the keyboard. I had my rosary time this morning, then only a mile (trying not to be stoopid) on the treadmill, and the treading was done very carefully. Then had to meet Hubby and a potential buyer for one of our properties at the property, after which Hubby and I had a lunch at Kelley’s to discuss this potential sale the renovations at our other apartment (the total gut & rebuild). After paying the bill, we both went to the rebuild and discussed the placement of electrical outlets, fixtures, and switches; then hung some temporary curtains in the windows to keep out prying eyes.

    I then collected the shop mail, then returned home to do some gardening. I found out that bending over wasn’t an option, and that made things interesting. >:-( Got that done and came inside. (FYI – we had enough green beans to add to dinner last night, and I’ll be picking another bell pepper soon. Haven’t had to buy lettuce for several weeks now.)

    After that I somewhat straightened up Hubby’s VW corner with some shelves that I bought for him yesterday. I refuse to let my home become a VW Memorabilia Museum, so Hubby has part of the foyer in which to put all of the toys, plaques, pictures, etc. And his shop. He never takes his stuff to his shop, so the pile is getting piled. The few shelves and the little rearranging I did for him today made a difference, but I think I need to bring in a power washer at some point.

    I just finished my hang time, in the hopes that the bending over ability will return, but not yet. I received my new insurance card in the mail, but for some wissing reason they keep trying to send me to a PCP whose name is a complete mystery to me. More >:-( I’ll have to log in and change it before I can make a doctor appointment. The arm numbness is almost completely gone, so yay me! but the ear still feels “full” and the sciatica is still hurting enough that I think I’ll have to get another MRI to see exactly what I’ve done to myself.

    /sigh/ This getting old is getting old. ™

    I did save about half of my chef salad from lunch, and I think that and some of the very last barbecued ribs will be Hubby’s dinner. I don’t feel like cooking and I have stuff to do before I head out in a few hours….

  26. Tedtam Avatar

    I haven’t even had time to read the C&C yet!

    But the world is still turning, so I guess we dodged THAT bullet! 😉

  27. Tedtam Avatar

    Here’s the CoffeeAndCovid roundup:

    Good morning, C&C, it’s Monday! And we have a record-shattering Monday roundup: historic Trump trial begins in Manhattan as the Nation’s first criminal prosecution of a President gets underway; Speaker Johnson’s career goes up in flames more intense than after a Russian hypersonic missile blows up more U.S.-supplied weapons; Russia ramps up the Proxy War, apparently as a direct result of anticipating more U.S.-supplied weapons, and moves toward Ukraine’s second-biggest city; another healthy young covid coordinator dies mysteriously over the weekend; and the most encouraging story so far this year.

    I do so enjoy how Mr. C. turns a phrase.

  28. Tedtam Avatar

    Mr. C. ends his column today with the heartwarming (literally, warming) event. A bunch of strangers who didn’t give a damn about their racial differences came together to save another stranger trapped in his car from becoming charcoal.

    Yes, there are good people in the world, and there is hope for us after all.
    https://twitter.com/LarryDJonesJr/status/1782112584788775356

  29. Tedtam Avatar

    Proof that there was a cooperative effort to take Trump down on the docs case:

    Now you know why the insiders like Andrew Weissmann and Barb McQuade are desperate to get rid of Judge Cannon. Without her courage on this matter, incriminating evidence of Biden’s WH and DOJ running the investigative show behind the scenes would be buried maybe forever.

    Files have been unredacted. And what they disclose should make everyone want to /spit/.

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Make the cancellation of his security clearance retroactive and then charge him with a crime?!? The names on that email chain need to be publicized and the perps need to be tried on violating the ex post facto prohibition contained in the Constitution. If (Please Elohim) Trump is re-elected, I expect and demand that all responsible are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as written.
      Prosecuting people for petty crapola is one thing; prosecuting someone for political reasons based on lies and other violations of the law can not be allowed to go unpunished. Look out Jack Smith, Leticia James, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg, et al., true justice, the written law may be coming for you.

  30. bsue54 Avatar

    Just checking in – no real issues with my new knee (so far as I know) – and not horrible pain – just enough to make it hard to concentrate… so I’ve been doing video game/puzzles to encourage my concentrating… and riding the Exercycle thing… and trying not to driving anybody (man or beast) crazy LOL…

    1. Bonecrusher Avatar
      Bonecrusher

      Man or beast could easily describe Mr. Squawk; perhaps man-beast?

      1. bsue54 Avatar

        ROTFLOL – Thanx Bones, I needed a chuckle

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