Tuesday Open Comments

Anthony Branca is an attorney specializing in self-defense and personal protection laws.  He offers legal training courses for gun owners and a weekly Law of Self Defense show on his website at Patreon. Branca is also a contributor to Legal Insurrection and posted this shortly after this Florida incident broke in the news.

There’s been a shooting in Florida (naturally?) that resulted over an argument about a non-handicapped person parking in a handicapped parking spot, and it was captured on a rather poor quality surveillance camera recording, according to news reports.

It seems that the shooter, 47-year-old Michael Drejka (who happens to be white), was giving his piece of mind to 24-year-old Britany Jacobs for having parked in a handicapped parking spot without the necessary permit. The victim, 28-year-old Markeis McGlockton, who happens to be black, was Ms. Jacob’s boyfriend, and he emerged from the convenience store and approached the argument.

McGlockton approached Drejka, and shoved him viciously to the ground, with McGlockton looming over the downed man.

In response Drejka appears in the surveillance footage to present a handgun at McGlockton. As McGlockton sees Drejka apparently initiating the presentation of his hand gun, McGlockton immediately takes several steps backwards away from Drejka.

It is then that Drejka fires the single shot that would ultimately kill McGlockton, nearly two full seconds after initially presenting the gun at McGlockton.

I have watched the video many times and have come to the same conclusion as Mr. Branca.

Given that McGlockton was backing up, however, this strikes me as a scenario that plenty of prosecutors would be happy to present to a jury, and argue that the fired shot was not lawful, and which I expect in this instance plenty of police officers would determine at least created probably cause to believe that the shot was not lawful.

Of course, there may well be facts not known to us that could have shaped the Sheriff’s conclusion to not arrest. That, of course, is not the end of this matter, either criminally or civilly. The evidence is being presented to local prosecutors, who will decide whether to take the matter to trial, and the girlfriend of McGlockton, with whom she had three children, has already announced her intention to seek civil compensation for the killing of her children’s father (even throwing out the legal term-of-art “wrongful death”).

This is not an easy call, but I don’t believe this was a justifiable case for using deadly force.


Posted

in

by

Tags:

Comments

104 responses to “Tuesday Open Comments”

  1. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    From the comments on this article at Legal Insurrection:

    Andrew Branca | July 21, 2018 at 10:05 am

    The Sheriff is mistaken on the law on this point. Under Florida law the decision to use force must be subjectively held in good faith, but it must ALSO be OBJECTIVELY reasonable.

    –Andrew

    http://www.lawofselfdefense.com/patreon

    Mac45 | July 21, 2018 at 11:49 am

    What Mr. Branca said. The Sheriff is incorrect. The statute does not say that deadly force is lawful if a person simply BELIEVES that it is necessary to prevent great bodily harm or death. The statute requires that the person using the defensive force REASONABLY believe that such force was legally necessary. This “reasonableness” is determined by the “reasonable man” test. In this case would a reasonable man, faced with an attacker who had not continued the assault after the initial hit and had retreated, believe that another attack was imminent? One would hope not.

  2. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The study, “Eating Meat Makes You Sexy: Conformity to Dietary Gender Norms and Practices”, was published in the recent issue of Psychology of Men and Masculinity and was led by University of Padova researchers Susanna Timeo and Caterina Suitner.

    Though some academics have previously linked meat-eating to masculinity, Timeo and Suitner sought to test this connection in the lab. To do this, they designed three experiments and recruited a total of 228 men and women under the age of 50 to take part.

  3. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This is also a very interesting bit of information on the Florida self defense law.

    From the comments in the OC headline article:

    Mac45 | July 21, 2018 at 11:59 am

    It is equally arguable that Derjka’a “belief” that he was in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death was not reasonable, given the circumstances. If it was not, then he can neither shoot nor threaten to shoot McGlockton.

    See, in 2014, gun rights activists forced a change in Chapter 776 of the Florida statutes. They had the wording changed to equate the threatened use of force with the actual use of force. What this did was to establish the same requirements for displaying the weapon in a threatening manner as were necessary to actually use the weapon. Prior to that,the display of a deadly weapon, in necessary self defense, was governed by FSS 790.10. This was the only place this was addressed in statute.As the wording of that statute is much more forgiving, than that of Chapter 776, as amended, it was possible to produce a weapon, in a threatening manner, in almost any self defense situation.

    You have to wonder if this was an unintended consequence in amending this part of the law.

  4. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Dang, you snuck that in on me, 😀
    Mornin’ Gang

  5. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    FWIW; I don’t believe that he needed to shoot the guy. Yes the guy with the gun was pushed down and the thug was looming over him, but as soon as the punk saw the weapon he started backing away? it seems to me that the guy with the gun is no longer threatened at that point. Having said that, I wasn’t there and some times video’s can be misleading.

  6. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Reminded me of this; 9 Second Video Shows Cops Shooting Man Putting His Gun Down. Watch It Twice, You Won’t Believe It.

    Watch this nine-second video. It appears to be graphic. Watch it again. What do you see?

    What you see are detectives cornering a man with a rifle and gunning him down while he’s placing it on the ground, right?

    Not so fast. Watch what takes place behind the suspect. A second detective is providing back-up and can see what the suspect is doing behind his back – reaching for a handgun.

    The second detective yells “Gun!” before firing at the suspect, who was potentially waiting for the first detective to lower his firearm and approach before shooting him.

  7. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    First foul:
    The thug and his wife parking in a handicap spot for no other reason than that they are lazy and inconsiderate.
    First dumbazz mistake:
    The shooter decided that he should verbally accost the woman in the car. Note that in the video he never got too close nor made threatening gestures. If it burned his butt so badly, he should have simply taken pictures/video as evidence and called the cops to register his complaint.
    Second foul:
    Thug walks up on shooter and physically assaults him. It is unknown if the thug said anything prior to the assault, however, the shooter never turned his head to acknowledge any warnings or whatever from the thug. My guess is that this was a blind sided shove.

    Had the gun not been produced, I have no doubt that the guy shoved to the ground would have continued to be beaten, possibly to death. I am ambivalent about the shooting, this did not appear to be the first time this thug acted in this fashion and something tells me that this is not the first time the shooter has been assaulted. Thuggin thugs gonna thug till they get kilt to death and dumbazzes who don’t mind their own business get their butts hoisted in a sling.

  8. El Gordo Avatar

    If I get selected for the jury on this case then I’ll worry about it. First, law enforcement should handle the parking matter, not a private citizen. Shooters homeowner association nazi like behavior is enough to turn me against him. Thug intervenes and gets hisself kilt. Woman with a bunch of kids of unknown origin now claims the kids automatically belong to the dead thug. Lawyers gang up to sue shooter who has no money, so they sue the police department, owner of the building, owner of the store. Shooter gets 6 months probation after millions in litigation costs paid by taxpayer. Kids get double rations of welfare payments and all ends well with the world having one less thug.

  9. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    HEADLINE: U.S. ‘Benign China’ Policy Ending
    CIA analyst declares China now waging Cold War on U.S.

    This is not mere speculation, it is happening as we speak. Our office was electronically attacked 18 times yesterday. 18 times all three phone lines lit up from the same exchange (same area code and first 3 digits of indicated phone number) with a robo-call IN FREAKING CHINESE!. The total duration of the attacks was about 30 minutes, but during that time it was impossible to make a call in or out.
    Russia may be a bit of a nuisance, but China is ratcheting things up to the point where it may get hot sooner than later.

    Has anybody else here on the couch been hit like this?

  10. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    7 BC

    Had the gun not been produced, I have no doubt that the guy shoved to the ground would have continued to be beaten, possibly to death.

    There is absolutely no reason to believe that beyond your imagination. Nothing in that video indicated the victim intended any further physical action. If he said anything life threatening, we don’t know it.

    Also, the shooter has a reputation for harassing strangers over public parking disputes so he apparently doesn’t hesitate to engage negatively with other people.

  11. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #11 TP: The thug did not start to move back until the dumbazz shooter pulled his gun, that is what I saw in the video. The shooter is a dumbazz for not minding his own darned business, he invited the $#!t storm that is on him and will continue.

  12. El Gordo Avatar

    I’m wondering why he only shot once. If he was in fear would he not be inclined to start cranking them out? Do-gooder liberal gets in trouble while taking out thug. What’s the bad news?

  13. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    HEADLINE: Food cart closing due to threats from Occupy ICE PDX protesters, owners say
    /snip
    “Unfortunately, over the last month, we have been threatened and verbally attacked for not backing the immigration agenda at the DHS location and wanting to stay neutral and serve all who are hungry,” said a post on the cart’s Facebook page. “We tried repeatedly to try to work out peaceful solutions with the organizations and individuals protesting, but it all came back to being told almost daily to either support the anti-DHS agenda or suffer the consequences.”
    The Happy Camper’s Facebook post says owners have not received any help from Portland police.

    The profits from this food cart, according to the article, go to feed and clothe the homeless. The “protesters” are nothing but fascist thugs and need to be treated as such.

  14. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I’ve been watching Hell on Wheels, probly not a good time to ask me what is justifiable.

  15. Sarge Avatar

    I’m wondering if the guy who pushed the guy verbally abusing his girlfriend was white if he’d be called a thug.

    Seriously. Yes, I am going there.

    You get up in the face of my woman, you’re going to have absolutley no question as to how I feel about that, and it will definetly include efforts on my part to get you out of her space and get me in between you and her.

    A man protects his woman and, when he does, he’s not being a thug.

  16. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    For five days my broadcast television reception has been intermittently interrupted between 9 and 11pm.

    Fay says there are tornadoes on the sun shooting out something or other towards us.

    I say it’s the Russians.

  17. Katfish Avatar

    OP & mltpl post #s – As per our learning via Texas Law Shield seminars regarding the ‘proper’ / legal use of deadly force………………..that shooter MAY have been justified displaying his weapon – but NO WAY was firing justified.

    And of course the overriding header atop this note card:
    “Don’t WANT ‘none’? Don’t START none!”

    A friggin parking spot AINT worth it!!

  18. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Morning, everyone. Political meme for today…

  19. phil Avatar
    phil

    I can’t figure out why the man gets so bent out of shape about someone parking in a handicapped parking space.–It’s abused frequently.

    I’ve seen people park there with the official handicapped parking emblem hanging from their rearview mirror and then run the 50 yard dash into the store so they won’t miss the sale on the 55 inch TV.

  20. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Hundreds of tornadoes on the sun tens of thousands of miles wide could blast hot plasma towards Earth and knock out entire power grids

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5946933/amp/Hundreds-tornadoes-sun-knock-entire-power-grids.html

  21. El Gordo Avatar

    #20 – You just don’t understand the mind of the liberal do-gooder. They work hard to get law after law after law passed, and their reward is to be able to virtue signal what caring, compassionate people they are. After all, they know better what you need and how you should act and what you should eat than you do. So if they see injustice being committed, it’s their responsibility to step in and set things right. If your lawn isn’t mowed right or you house is painted the wrong color, same concept. In other words, they are probably crazy, but like most crazy people, they think they are normal and the rest of the world is crazy – and therefore, it’s their job to protect the crazies from themselves.

    And BTW, whether or not the thug is a thug, one fact is certain – he’s dead and that ain’t gonna change regardless of who is wrong and who is right.

    Oh no, after all that, according to Shannon the sun is gonna kill us all anyway. Probably the first time in history the sun has acted this way. Bush’s fault or Trump’s fault – you decide. Poor old Obama was just going to calm the rise of the oceans here on planet Earth while Bush and Trump set their sights much higher to control the Sun.

  22. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    A New York appeals court ordered the State University of New York-Buffalo to expunge “all references” to its proceeding against a student from his record, and blasted the school for its “cavalier attitude” toward his due process.

    Zach Greenberg of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education summarizes and provides exhibits from the litigation in a blog post this week.

    Police questioned undergraduate student Tyrone Hill about his involvement in an incident with a fellow football teammate, Zachary Lefebvre, who was driving both of them home. A police report said the driver got out of the truck and pointed a gun at a group of other football players who were taunting him.

    Lefebvre said Hill was brandishing the gun but police charged the driver with possession on school grounds, while declining to charge Hill, who said he didn’t see a gun.

    Now this student needs to sue the school in civil court. Get them where it hurts – at the bank.

  23. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    We went to a local restaurant Sunday, got there a little before they opened and were the only ones in the parking lot. Few minutes later an elderly couple pulls in and goes to a handicapped spot that was actually a few steps farther than an open non-handicapped spot, but by gummy they earned that spot an gonna use it! I was thinking, wouldn’t you by courtesy leave it open, since there was a spot just as close or closer, in case they were to fill up with the church crowd coming? No biggie, just got a giggle out of it.

  24. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    BTW, they weren’t in a wheelchair or anything to need the extra width. I don’t begrudge them having that privilege, just fascinating watching people, knowing their mindset.

  25. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    You done done it now, GJT.

  26. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I would encourage people to refrain from judging people’s medical status from first impressions. I know a guy who walks into the store perfectly upright despite pain that would debilitate most other people. Later, after pounding the concrete for over an hour, he is upright no more, pushing his cart to his vehicle.

  27. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well I finished Schwarzkof’s Autobiography; “It doesn’t take a hero” and it was real good, a little long (500 pages) and somewhat tedious, since it pretty much covered all of his life and detailed all the places he lived and served. It has of course, a detailed version of the Gulf War, since he was the Commander of the whole dang war. I highly recommend it.

  28. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Oh and I can’t wait to start Roosevelt’s “River of Doubt”

  29. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #19 mharper42

    LOL, that is choice!

  30. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    There was a post on the internet the other day from a girl about 24 or 25 who has developed adult cardiac fibroma, a tumor in the heart. She has a hard time because she gets exhausted just walking into a store. Viewing her photo – a very pretty, healthy looking, slender girl – you’d never know she had a serious physical problem.

    The story was about how people have accused her of faking it to get a handicapped emblem on her car.

  31. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I would encourage people to refrain from judging people’s medical status from first impressions.

    Like I said, there was a non-handicap spot actually a little closer, they simply drove straight to the sign. I thought it was kinda cute and funny – This is my spot!

  32. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    It got another one this month: a scholarship founder who attended the event.

    The redacted July 12 letter to UMinn President Eric Kaler, who is resigning in a year, says the donor established a “Scholarship Endowment Fund” with the university after his daughter’s death. It has granted more than $60,000 and “was to receive a major bequest under my estate plan.”

    He graduated from its Carlson School of Management in 1975 and was a member of UMinn’s Medical Foundation President’s Club in the 1980s and 1990s, the letter says.

    This “patriotic and conservative alumnus” has watched with growing alarm the “political atmosphere” of the university.

    but now,

    The university can wave goodbye to further donations from the unnamed alumnus, now or upon his death. It will now go to YAF, he said.

    Like I said, hit them where it hurts – in the pockets.

  33. Tedtam Avatar

    Re: handicapped parking

    This one strikes home because of the problems I had when I was taking care of Mom and she still wanted to get out occasionally.

    I took her to Wal-Mart one day and every handicapped spot was taken. I had to park further out and struggle to get her wheelchair out and her into it in a regular spot. Wheeled her in, did our shopping, then had to leave her at the front door, clutching her purse, while I brought the car up front and blocked traffic while I loaded her back into the car. There was a slight slope at the entrance, and her chair rolled into my car, scratching it, because I had to quickly move hands to stabilize her as the entered the car. Wissed me off. That was just one incident.

    One day I was walking into the store and saw a woman, early 30’s, in scrubs, lifting multiple bags of groceries from the basket into her trunk at one time. I asked her if she was handicapped. “I have a tag,” she replied. “But are you handicapped?” I asked. “I take care of a handicapped man,” she replied. “Is he with you?” “No, but I have a tag.” I explained to her my problems with my mother and asked her to be more considerate in the future for those people who actually need those spots.

    I went shopping during the time that my back was killing me, shortly after my injury. I hobbled into the store on my crutches, but all of the scooters were taken. I hobbled through the store, leaning over the handle on the cart and trying not to cry. As I shopped, I noticed a black couple and the man was in the cart. Something about him in the cart just ticked me off – I got the impression he didn’t need it but was riding for fun, based on some of what I saw – but I tried not judge him since I didn’t know his real condition. Imagine my rage and pain when I saw him park his cart inside the store with a comment similar to “that was fun”, then dang near literally dancing with his woman in the parking lot, trotting up to her to slap her on the butt and laughing. I had just gone through an hour of hell, dragging myself through my shopping in incredible pain, and he had not even thought someone else might really need the motorized cart. If I could’ve chased him down and explained how thoughtless he’d been, I would have, I was so mad. Unfortunately, I wasn’t chasing anyone down that day.

    I hate thoughtless people.

  34. Hamous Avatar

    Not a hard choice for me. Local law enforcement should put Drejka’s case before a grand jury. Another bit of information I didn’t see in the link above – another man who is a frequent visitor to that store said Drejka had recently harassed him for parking in the same handicapped spot. Sounds to me like he’s a whiny little crybully. Like EG says, enforcing parking laws is not his business. I say it’s a bad shoot. Letting punks like this get away is going to lead to neutering of the Stand your ground law.

  35. phil Avatar
    phil

    I’m waiting for the Vintage Cabernet Drinkers only parking sign.

    What’s really fun, and this coming from a lifetime dog owner, is torquing dog owner’s who walk their dogs unleashed in a public park. Ask them why and they become unhinged.

    You see the leash is for draping over the shoulder not for leashing the dog and besides, who wants to be inconvenienced with actually having to leash the dog.

    I saw one dupe jogging and his dog was not leashed. All of a sudden Fido makes a mad dash after a dump truck that was going down a very busy road that runs parallel to the park.

    He was screaming at the top of his lungs to get poor Fido to come to him. He almost lost Fido.

    I once literally had to fight a dog off with fists and feet about 22 years ago that was not leashed. Took a couple puncture marks to the hand and had to get a tetanus shot.

    Of course the owner was just shocked that Fido came after me.

    Leashing the dog does three things.

    It protects the dog.
    It protects the dog owner.
    And it protects the runner/jogger/walker/biker that doesn’t know their Fido from Adam’s off Ox.–Learned that idiom from Nick the bartender in It’s a Wonderful Life.

  36. Hamous Avatar

    And it protects the runner/jogger/walker/biker that doesn’t know their Fido from Adam’s off Ox.

    Reminds me of one of my favorite movie scenes.

  37. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    DuckDuckGo’ed what an off ox is but I still don’t know.

  38. Hamous Avatar

    DuckDuckGo’ed what an off ox is but I still don’t know.

    Variation of “I don’t know him from Adam.”

  39. phil Avatar
    phil

    The Deep State wouldn’t know the truth from Adam’s off ox.

    Say this is fun.

  40. phil Avatar
    phil

    37

    Heh that’s a good one.

  41. Hamous Avatar

    I dated a girl who’s father always used the phrase “…’til who laid the chunk”. For example, “Man, we was catching fish ’til who laid the chunk!” After hearing it a few times I understood the meaning he was trying to convey but the phrase still doesn’t make any sense to me.

  42. Hamous Avatar

    I came out of the woods and here come five Toms running down the hill straight towards me ’til who laid the chunk!

  43. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I get the meaning of Adam and the off ox, but what an off ox is other than the farthest ox from the driver who can’t see or sumpthin eludes me.

  44. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    If a trucker don’t like be called a driver would an oxen driver rather be called an oxen operator?

  45. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Olly olly oxen free

    There, it was in my head, now it’s in yours.

  46. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Ox skinner.

  47. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #48 Bones, you beat me to it.

  48. Hamous Avatar

    re #50

    The guitar player in Muleskinner was Clarence White. He and his brothers had a bluegrass band, The Kentucky Colonels. They were in several episodes of The Andy Griffith Show. In the late ’60s he became electrified and played with the last incarnation of The Byrds before going back to his bluegrass roots with Peter Rowan and David Grisman in Muleskinner. Shortly after the video in #50 was filmed in 1973 he was killed by a drunk driver while loading his equipment into a car after a show.

  49. Hamous Avatar

    Marty Stuart playing Clarence White’s stringbender invention on a Telecaster.

  50. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    MEXICO CITY (Reuters) – The revamp of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the United States, Mexico and Canada ought to be concluded in the next few months, a top adviser in the incoming Mexican administration said on Tuesday.

    Jesus Seade, the designated NAFTA negotiator of president-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, said while some contentious issues still had to be resolved, he believed it was almost “inevitable” a deal would be reached.

    “What I see … to be a very feasible expectation is that we’ll be concluding the negotiation in the next two months if possible, or in the next few months a bit further down the road,” Seade told Mexican radio.

    Oh, and this observation from Sr. Seade,

    “President Trump has a very personal style. He likes to appear chaotic. But the last thing he is is chaotic,” he said. “I think he’s a very intelligent man.”

    I haven’t commented on Trump threatening tariffs and blowing up foreign trade deals because I’ve never believed he opposes free international trade. The US has been screwed over continually in trade deals and nobody in DC ever seems to care.

    I’ve seen Trump’s style of operating before in the business world. It can drive you crazy if you’re on the wrong side of it. His apparent chaotic and contradictory approach is calculated to confuse the enemy like asymmetric warfare strategies. See the OODA Loop.

  51. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #54 TP: I don’t think the OODA loop has ever even been contemplated by the left, LET ALONE PRACTICED. They never examine the results of their actions, they just keep going . If you question the wisdom of their actions well, then . . . . . .RACIST.

  52. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    50 Hamous

    One of my all-time favorite songs is Muleskinner Blues (Blue Yodel #8).

    Versions I really like are Dolly Parton’s and Old and in the Way with Vassar Clements on fiddle. Two very different sounds, but both great in their own way.

  53. El Gordo Avatar

    Good commercial. Concept probably originated in Houston.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G1hAbSKdA&feature=share

  54. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    ALERT !!!!

    I know it’s hot outside, but HELL JUST FROZE OVER.

    (Reuters) – A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment protects the right to openly carry a gun in public for self-defense, rejecting a claim by Hawaii officials that the right only applies to guns kept at home.

    The ruling by a three-judge panel on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, makes the San Francisco-based court the sixth U.S. circuit court to interpret the Second Amendment this way and could set the issue on a path toward the U.S. Supreme Court, which has not taken up a major gun rights case since 2010.

    The extent of the right to gun ownership is one of the most hotly contested debates in the United States, where mass shootings have become almost commonplace.

    In a split two-to-three decision on Tuesday, the panel found Hawaii infringed on the rights of plaintiff George Young when it twice denied him a permit to carry a gun outside.

  55. Sarge Avatar

    Was just about to post that, Texpat.

    Its a huge ruling.

    Lets listen to Democrats talk about standing by precedent when SCOTUS rules on 2nd Amendment cases the way they talk about Roe v Wade…..

  56. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    The 9TH CIRCUIT?!?!
    Then there is this; The 9th Circuit had ruled in 2016 that the Second Amendment does not guarantee a right to carry concealed firearms in public in Peruta v. County of San Diego. ??????

  57. phil Avatar
    phil

    The 9th Circle Jerk It has ruled that pud pawing in a penguin suit is perfectly legal in a courtroom setting but just make sure you bang the gavel lightly.

    Shoofly Pie-Hole Schumer was the first to comment saying “man we was mayo staining our main veins til Nancy’s off Botox”.

  58. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #57

    That dude’s all buckle and no off oxen.

  59. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    BTW, I just thought of it. On a drilling rig, it is referred to driller side or off-driller side. Or I’ve heard it off-operator side.

  60. Hamous Avatar

    They also ruled last week that a ban on clips larger than 10 rounds was unconstitutional.

    Didn’t Trump recently appoint a judge to the 9th circuit?

  61. Hamous Avatar

    Nope, he’s nominated a couple. Democrats killed one, Republicans killed another. He just nominated a third.

  62. phil Avatar
    phil

    On MSDNC Ocasio-Cortez said the real reason unemployment’s lower is because of the earth being flat, Bernie’s ability to belch the alphabet after consuming too much salami and people having 3 jobs.

    Joe ScarBurro Hee-Hawed then stubbornly agreed saying even a Potato Head can become a talking head on a show that caters to Meatheads.

  63. Hamous Avatar

    Sometimes I think to myself “What would it be like to live in Phil’s head. Other times I think that, then stick my fingers in my ears and yell LA LA LA LA LA!
    😉

  64. Sarge Avatar

    Sitting down at another grey pony tail concert, Jeff Beck, Ann Wilson, and Paul Rodgers. Came to see Beck, will see about the others

  65. Tedtam Avatar

    Neighbors are reporting that 2 Hispanic men arrived in their pickup and stole a peacock from the flock that roams wild about a half mile from my house. Someone else thought they saw them stealing some of the chicks that are now out with their mommies. I thought the numbers were dropping…now I know why.

    Whether or not this is a crime, we’re trying to find out. In years past, we were told they were protected somehow. Today, no one is sure. I’ve called the police and they’re not sure either…I’m supposed to call tomorrow.

  66. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    You’ll need a commercial with sad music on channel 39, or late night cable.

  67. Hamous Avatar

    Feral exotic animals are fair game as long as you don’t trespass.

    An exotic animal is any animal that is not indigenous to Texas, including but not limited to feral hog, Russian boar, aoudad sheep, axis deer, elk, sika deer, fallow deer, red deer, and blackbuck and nilgai antelope. An exotic fowl is any avian species that is not indigenous to this state, including ratites (emu, ostrich, rhea, cassowary, etc.).

    There are no state bag or possession limits or closed seasons on exotic animals or fowl on private property. It is against the law to:

    Hunt an exotic without a valid hunting license.
    Hunt an exotic on a public road or right-of-way.
    Hunt an exotic without the landowner’s permission.
    Possess an exotic or the carcass of an exotic without the owner’s consent.

    https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/nongame-and-other-species#section-2

  68. Hamous Avatar

    Won’t YOU help the peacocks???

  69. Hamous Avatar

    Fowl chicks are pretty much self-sustaining as long as you feed and water them.

  70. Hamous Avatar

    I’d like to hunt a cassowary.

  71. Hamous Avatar

    Peafowl are basically big-ass pheasants.
    Just putting this out there.

  72. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    72 Hamous

    The peacocks are used in cockfighting. That’s why the Mexicans are stealing them.

  73. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    President Donald Trump signed bills Monday extending the amount of time before construction must start on five hydroelectric dams across five states.

    The bills cover dams located in Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia. Each piece of legislation gives the Federal Energy Regulation Commission (FERC) the authority to extend the deadline for construction to begin up to six years and reinstate each project’s construction license if it expires.

    via Ed Driscoll at Instapundit

    Bonus video with Rachel Maddow produced by Spike Lee during Obama administration:

  74. Hamous Avatar

    I don’t know, Texpat. I’ve never seen nor heard of anybody using peacocks for fighting.

  75. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Granddaughter spent the night last night, this morning Sweetie (Gigi) fixed her breakfast and served it to her in bed. It was a win win both ways, granddaughter got breakfast in bed, Gigi got to serve it on her Papa’s old Dukes of Hazard – aka Daisy Duke – TV tray.
    😀

    Then they went showing houses together this morning, granddaughter was the life of the party. She was Gigi’s Assistant! lol

  76. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Everyone’s favorite impression of Papa is watching the Dukes of Hazard and slapping his knee cackling. 😀

  77. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, since the birds are being stolen from the roadway OR from someone’s property…it looks like it’s illegal one way or another.

  78. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Texpat ain’t all in on the DuckDuckGo movement.

  79. Tedtam Avatar

    Further down in the legalese:

    “It is unlawful for any person to hunt (see Definitions – Hunt) threatened, endangered, or protected nongame species. To sell or purchase goods made from threatened or endangered species, proper documentation must accompany the goods. For a complete list of threatened and endangered species, and regulations relating to breeding threatened and endangered species, please call (800) 792-1112 (menu 5).

    Protected Birds: Hawks, owls, eagles, and all other nongame birds and songbirds (except for the few unprotected birds listed below) are protected by various state and federal laws and may not be killed, taken from the nest, picked up, or possessed for any reason, and their feathers may not be possessed or sold. Arts and crafts may not include these protected species under any circumstances.

  80. phil Avatar
    phil

    67
    My sense of humor/cranium collage is a hybrid of MST3K meets The Three Stooges vs Godzilla.
    :).

    I was always told I have a vivid imagination.

  81. Hamous Avatar

    Tedtam

    The section you quoted only applies to threatened, endangered, or protected nongame species. Peacocks are none of those. Your best bet would be to catch them trespassing while they’re catching the birds.

  82. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    My sense of humor/cranium collage is a hybrid of MST3K meets The Three Stooges vs Godzilla.

    That pretty well sums it up!

  83. Hamous Avatar

    80 Texpat

    Those aren’t organized fights. No metal spurs attached to either bird. It’s just two male birds doing what they do naturally.

  84. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    83 GJT

    Texpat has been procrastinating about getting his DuckDuckGoing.

  85. Hamous Avatar

    By the way, if you hit and kill a hawk or owl in your vehicle and think it would look cool stuffed and sitting on your mantle, don’t do it! That’s illegal.

  86. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #89

    Some reason I forget on my work computer, but at home DuckDuckGo is my mainstay.

  87. Hamous Avatar

    77

    I’m confused. Are “progressives” now in favor of damming up wild rivers? How are they going to square that circle?

  88. El Gordo Avatar

    The proper authority to call with the peacock questions would most likely be the game warden. I’ve always found them to be helpful and pretty quick to follow up on things. If someone is hunting them, they must have a hunting license, so most likely if it is the no-gottees (driver license, insurance, etc.) they would be taken away if they don’t have a license.
    1-800-792-4263

    For additional information:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6PIezbAJSE

  89. El Gordo Avatar

    My Duck Duck has been going for some time now on my linux based units. Works just fine for me, but I always have this feeling that I’m being watched.

  90. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Don’t blame me. I’m not the one who brought up what goes on in Phil’s Head.

    https://youtu.be/cMUaY_j_IRE

  91. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    My guess is the hispanic thieves are prolly eating the peacocks. I recall a story from maybe 10 years ago that some illegal horrified the citizens in a city park somewhere. He snatched up a swan swimming in the scenic pond and wrung its neck, then carried the carcass to his truck.

  92. Hamous Avatar

    93

    Hell, they don’t even take them away if they get in a wreck, don’t have a driver’s license, no insurance, and no registration. They just give them a court date to which they never show up and tickets they’ll never pay.

  93. Hamous Avatar

    By definition, you can’t steal a feral peacock.

  94. Hamous Avatar

    Another bird on my list of things to kill and eat – Ribeye of the Sky

  95. phil Avatar
    phil

    This is what goes on inside my head.

  96. phil Avatar
    phil

    The Newspeak Slimers complain about phony Russian meddling while being key and willing players in an all out coup attempt.

  97. phil Avatar
    phil

    I think Spock nailed it at the 1:58 mark.

    Nancy speaks to the crickets in what’s left of her brain.

    Good stuff.

  98. El Gordo Avatar

    Off to have a small skin cancer removed from my neck this morning. Takes and hour and a half to get to Marble Falls to the doc’s office. Hope the deer are not out all along the way. You all hold things together until I get back. More later.

Leave a Reply

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.