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David P. Goldman has his say about Robert A. Zimmerman.

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                          Americans Are Not a ‘Folk’ and Bob Dylan Is Not Our Poet                   

What passed for “folk music” in the 1940s and 1950s, by contrast, was the remnant of English ballad preserved in isolated Appalachian communities, as rediscovered by musicologists. Joan Baez made a specialty of such things. John and Alan Lomax gathered Appalachian music, African-American music, and other scraps and shards distant from the American mainstream as an expression of authentic “folk” culture. The entire “folk” movement was Stalinist through and through (including Woody Guthrie, who was a Communist Party hanger-on and probably a member. How do I know this? My late mother was Arlo’s nursery-school teacher in the Red Brooklyn of the 1940s).

and,

Dylan understood the biblical self-creation that stood at the heart of American culture, and how easily American devotion could turn silly. His first electric efforts produced what I still think his funniest line: “God said to Abraham: ‘Kill me a son’/Abe said, ‘Man, you must be puttin me on.’” Dylan was clever and insightful, but also lazy and contemptuous of his audience. One gem per song was enough, he seemed to think. The gems tend to be buried in the predictable filler that makes up most of his lyrics. The genre he chose was in part responsible: it was lampoon of a lampoon, a send-up of a mock-up.

and,

And so it is with Bob Dylan, parodist, satirist, scammer and snake-oil salesman par excellence. He never hid from us what he had in mind: he’s been playing with our heads since high school, finding the lever that loosened our tears, and our wallets. He caught a wave in the early 1960s with the folk revival movement, itself a hoax. We Americans are not a “folk,” not in the sense that Johann Gottfried Herder used the term. We do not have the deep memory of autochthonous roots that characterizes European cultures, the hand-me-downs of long-lost pagan experience. We are a people self-created by religious and political impulse.


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  1. Hamous Avatar

    . The entire “folk” movement was Stalinist through and through (including Woody Guthrie, who was a Communist Party hanger-on and probably a member.

    I’ve been preaching that since I was old enough to comprehend such things. In the 70s I lost a lot of so-called friends because I upset their stinky hippie high minded ideals. I remember the feigned outrage by a bunch of them when I badmouthed Saint Pete Seeger by saying “If he had a hammer, he’d put it with his sickle.”

  2. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. Another pleasant start at 59, unexpected though it is. Yesterday afternoon was much nicer than predicted with lower humidity and a breeze most of the time, comfortable anywhere but in direct sunlight for any length. Perhaps it’s a brief visit of Indian Summer.
    It appears that the throngs waiting to vote have not diminished one bit and in fact have grown. Fort Bend County has extended voting hours to accommodate its citizens. Yesterday when I voted I noticed little conversation amongst those in line, much more an assemblage of serious people with a purpose than a neighborhood chat fest while waiting. This was a different scene. And those who have despoiled our Republic best take notice. They have ignored it at their peril since 2009.

  3. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #1 Hamous
    🙂

  4. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The Bleeder” is in contract talks with FOX and wants more than $20 Million/year. Her current contract expires in July ’17.

  5. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    CBS is taking a shot at a prequel to the original Star Trek with the show Discovery. The last attempt at a prequel starred Scott Bakula, I think the show was called Enterprise. It failed miserably. Original premier date wa supposed to be Jan 2017, now pushed back to May 2017; whether or not it actually comes to fruition remains to be seen.

  6. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    It is about time that those who spread lies and “disinformation” start paying the price.

    HEADLINE: Ex-Secret Service officer behind Clinton tell-all planning defamation suit
    A former Secret Service officer who published an explosive tell-all from his days guarding the Bill and Hillary Clinton White House is planning to file a defamation lawsuit against his detractors, The Post has learned.
    A lawyer for Gary Byrne, whose book “Crisis of Character: A White House Secret Service Officer Discloses His Firsthand Experience with Hillary, Bill, and How They Operate,” has sent notices to Media Matters for America and David Brock informing them that he intends to file suit.
    “Officer Byrne will bring legal action against you, in your personal capacity, and against Media Matters,” a lawyer for the former Secret Service officer wrote to Brock, a loyal Clinton ally and the founder of the liberal advocacy group Media Matters.

    I hope he bankrupts Brock and MMA.

  7. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I pretty much just rock n rolled thru the ’70s. Then stepped it up into Luv Ya Blu Urban Cowboyness. Only enemies I had was damned yankees invadin my space.

  8. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    8 GJT
    Filthy redneck Michiganders crawling around like roaches.
    /shiver

  9. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Ohioans bringing their canned beans with canned ground meat and calling it chili.

  10. Katfish Avatar

    Welp I have completed my duty (voting that is)
    No mayhem present at our local polling location – but I’m happy to observe a healthy line of perhaps 50 or so before they opened the doors – that, IMHO, is a good sign!

  11. Katfish Avatar

    #7 – Phil you’re reachin! 🙂

  12. Dooood Avatar

    A while back the Wells Fargo thing was brought up on here. I can tell you personally that what this lady says is absolutely true.

    As a Wells Fargo banker, Payden told Business Insider she had “impossible” sales goals to reach. As other Wells Fargo employees have shared, she said she was expected to open as many accounts as possible for customers.
    In all, the company estimates its employees opened as many as 2 million accounts without customers’ knowledge. Yet Payden says there were likely many more accounts that customers knew about but were pressured into opening unnecessarily.

    We opened up two accounts (one for each kid) to help our good friend who works for WF keep her job. That is the ONLY reason those accounts were opened. No telling how many times that same scenario played out across the country with different families. It’s pretty disgusting.

  13. Dooood Avatar

    Chili without beans isn’t chili at all. It’s that stuff that some people slather on a hotdog. LOL
    Edit to add an old Toledo favorite:
    http://www.tonypacko.com/hot-dog-chili-sauce.php

  14. Hamous Avatar

    Boo Beans Konop. Boo Beans boo. Liar Beans Boo.

  15. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Just think, there are parts of the world where people would be put to death for a deviant chili preference!

  16. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I LIKE chili sauce on a hot dog. But it makes the bun fall apart, so you can’t pick it up and eat it. You have to cut it up on the plate and eat it with a fork.

  17. Dooood Avatar

    I’m still trying to decide if Mr. Boo Beans Konop is a hero or a scumbag. 🙂

  18. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #14 Katfish
    Are you suggesting that Phil has an elastic arm?

  19. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    “We made the menu huge so it makes the customers feel like they have small hands,” bar manager Mike Haigis tells IJR.

    http://ijr.com/2016/10/720556-inside-the-secret-trump-themed-bar-on-capitol-hill/

  20. Tedtam Avatar

    #22
    Reminds me of a sci-fi short story I read years ago. Society had devolved into an elite group of highly intelligent humans who were forced to manage the rest of society, which had interbred into a large mass of moderately functional people. The smart people were getting real tired of dealing with the idiots, as they couldn’t tell the idiots exactly what they were, else they’d turn on them. The smarts resorted to such things as cars with really strong air fans and manipulating the length of billboards., to make the dumbs feel like they were going fast in a really cool car. The problem was that the dumbs were breeding at such a pace that the smarts didn’t know how much longer they could maintain the illusion and manage society so it didn’t crumble.
    The story was told from the viewpoint of a dentist who had been put into stasis due to a freak accident, and who had been revived centuries later to find this socioeconomic mess. He suggested that they begin a campaign of “vacation in space” ads and encourage the dumbs to load themselves into spaceships. They’d then dump the dumbs in space. Mass genocide, based upon IQ.
    The smarts loaded the dentist onto a ship, too, deeming him too dangerous to leave alive.
    The parallels to today’s events is frightening.

  21. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    24
    Of course!

  22. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #23 TT
    According to The Hitch-Hiker’s Guide, the Earth was originally colonized by The “B” Ark from another planet that was about to be destroyed. The “A” Ark spacecraft had all the brightest people, while the “B” Ark had only low-skilled people. The only example of a low-skilled occupation that I remember was Telephone Sanitizer.

  23. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner did the seemingly impossible and brokered a compromise that might give the city’s massively underfunded public pension program a chance at recovering.

    and,

    We wouldn’t go quite that far. For one, this compromise does not solve the crisis. The numbers add up in part because the assumed rate of return on investments is set at a still-unrealistic 7 percent (down from 8.5 percent). And while this compromise overall is a step in the right direction, we still maintain that a provision that transitions workers from a defined-benefit to a defined-contribution or 401(k)-style plan is much more suited to the economic realities of post-blue model 21st-century employment. Defined-benefit plans lead to far too much union-politician chicanery, which has plagued U.S. municipalities for decades.

  24. phil Avatar
    phil

    Pete Seeger? Don’t think I’ve ever heard a Pete Seeger song in my life.
    But on the other hand

  25. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Forecasters defend hurricane exaggeration…
    Surface stations measured HALF claimed wind speed…

    The above headline is on the Drudge, left column almost all the way down. It links to the WaPo and I can’t read anymore articles without subscribing, which ain’t gonna happen.
    From the headlines I gather that the forecasters are nothing but a bunch of sensationalist lying sacks-o-crap. Kind of like the warmongerers. Lots of overlap betwixt the two.

  26. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    New Bottom-Freezer Fridge will be delivered tomorrow 10am!!! It’s beautiful.

  27. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Rush has been busy describing for the folks what a shell corporation is in the context of the Clinton Foundation do gooder supposed charity and Clinton Global Initiative do-gooder shovel the money to cronies who re-shovel it to the Clintons in speech honoraria so it goes in Clinton pockets and makes them multi-millionaires. Actual works of charity? Just ask the poor folks in Haiti about that.
    This was his way of explaining the latest WikiLeaks unloading of more dirt on the Clintons, their foundation, and their enablers. Lord only knows what will be exposed tomorrow.

  28. Katfish Avatar

    #27 – I heard a brief news blurb about this topic last night:
    “City pensions to be “fully funded” by 2046″ !!!!!!!!
    wtf happens to retirees for the next 3 decades??????????????

  29. Katfish Avatar

    #s 24 & 25 – Do Ice Cream freezers count? 🙂
    *borderline NSFW* (just blink a lot)

  30. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #30 Shannon
    So somebody still makes them. But it isn’t smart and a potential spy in the kitchen, right?

  31. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Ohioans bringing their canned beans with canned ground meat and calling it chili.

    They also put it on sketties.

  32. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Adee, this refrigerator is dumb as a fence post. I tried to buy one without an ice maker but couldn’t.

  33. Hamous Avatar

    I work with a woman from Ohio who puts sugar on her sliced maters. First time I saw that it was all I could do to keep from slapping the taste right out of her mouth.

  34. Hamous Avatar

    All those crazy people in Florida? Guess where they’re from.

  35. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Let’s see.
    $1300 fridge.
    Missed day of work. (to move furniture out of the way for delivery and replenishing ice in ice chests and removing an existing shelf above fridge so new one will fit)
    I might be in the red this week.

  36. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Oh. Miss a half day of work tomorrow, too, to receive delivery.

  37. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #36 Shannon
    Guess a fridge is not a fridge without an ice maker these days. The repairman we had out recently to replace the washing machine motor also looked at our icemaker that has been cranky practically from the time we got the fridge. He said ice makers are the most troublesome parts of modern fridges by far.
    In our case the arm that is supposed to shut it off when the basket gets too full of cubes doesn’t shut it off. So the cubes tumble into the freezer everywhere. Spouse’s solution is to check the level periodically and manually shut it off. The repairman said if you can live with the annoyance, it’s a lot cheaper than installing a new one as that is the only recourse.
    Of course that little problem pales in comparison to the waterline breaking….

  38. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Just realized Tom Hayden, author of the noxious 1962 Port Huron Statement, former consort of Jane Fonda and all around Leftist creep has expired.

  39. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    In 2013, President Obama enjoyed a very special President’s Day weekend in Florida golfing with Tiger Woods at an exclusive resort. Calculating the large team it takes to transport the leader of the free world and keep him safe while he is away from the White House cost taxpayers upward of $4 million.

  40. Dooood Avatar

    All those crazy people in Florida? Guess where they’re from.

    Florida. That was too easy. You need to make your quizzes a bit tougher.
    🙂

  41. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Lou Dobbs blames the non popular vote for Trump in Utah on the “Mormon mafia”. The retweets are pretty funny.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mormon-mafia_us_58118785e4b0990edc2f34fb

  42. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #30 Shannon, can you link a picture, from Lowes/Home Depot/Sears/Conns?
    We need specifications, Cubic Feet, Fridge and Freezer? Also what brand is it.
    Mine is a Whirlpool and I really like it, except the damn filters are $40 Bucks and need to be replace about once a year.
    I did lift the picture of the interwebs, but this one looks like it.

  43. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #16 Doooooooooooooooooooooooood. . . . . .

    Chili without beans isn’t chili at all. It’s that stuff that some people slather on a hotdog.

    Spoken like a true Yankee. Chili with beans isn’t chili, it’s some kind of sick attempt to make a bastardized stew or something. As for other perversions; odd spices, noodles, etc., well those perversions come from people who are not from Texas. We have to accept the idea that some people are just handicapped by their birth.

  44. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    47 Shannon
    Does this unit come with a built-in water filter for the icemaker ? You really need to have one.

  45. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    45 Darren
    Funny stuff.

  46. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Darren
    Do you wear the MormonMafia uniform when Ubering?

  47. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    On paper, the Air Force plans to start mothballing the A-10 in 2018, with the last Warthogs sent to the boneyard by 2021. But last month Secretary of the Air Force Deborah Lee James said that the retirement of the A-10 would likely have to be delayed further as the military continues to rely on the low-and-slow attack plane for close-air support (CAS) missions flown against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria. Even more telling, the Air Force Material Command (AFMC) is bringing the depot line for A-10 maintenance and repair back up to full capacity, according to Aviation Week.
    The Hawg isn’t going anywhere.

    Well, it’s pretty hard to defy reality on the battlefield.

  48. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    WD-40 invented in ’53 to displace water and reduce corrosion on the Friendship 7 space capsule, by Rocket Chemical Co. Employees kept stealing it to use at home. The rest is history.

  49. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Shannon:
    Invented in ’53 to use on the Friendship 7 capsule? Methinks I detect a slight timing difficulty. . . . . .

  50. Hamous Avatar

    People need to realize it doesn’t matter what living meat skeleton you were born in, it’s what you feel that defines you.

  51. Hamous Avatar

    In 1953, a fledgling company called Rocket Chemical Company and its staff of three set out to create a line of rust-prevention solvents and degreasers for use in the aerospace industry.
    Working in a small lab in San Diego, California, it took them 40 attempts to get the water displacing formula worked out. But they must have been really good, because the original secret formula for WD-40® -which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try—is still in use today.
    Convair, an aerospace contractor, first used WD-40® to protect the outer skin of the Atlas Missile from rust and corrosion. The product actually worked so well that several employees snuck some WD-40® cans out of the plant to use at home.

  52. Hamous Avatar

    Before, way before, WD-40 there was this.

  53. Tedtam Avatar

    We have a Sears outlet near our house. It comes in handy when we need appliances for our rental units.
    ‘cept for a/c units. They disappear pretty darn quickly.

  54. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #47 Shannon, 22 Cu Ft, Bottom Freezer Refrigerator plain white, Davey likes it!
    If I EVER make it back home, I’ll have one of those in stainless. Also gonna’ get me a new Gumby Dammit, Z-71 4X4 gas stove with 4 burners and a center burner/griddle, dual burner oven. One up from the one I have here,….IE no center griddle. 😉

  55. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #57 Hammy
    I still have a can of 3-in-1 in my lubricants cabinet now. I used to oil my portable sewing machine with it.

  56. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Do you wear the MormonMafia uniform when Ubering?

    Dang straight I do! 🙂
    I also wear my telepathetic telepathic helmet as to always be linked up to my overlords in Salt Lake City.

  57. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I once disagreed with several of my fellow Mormons on Mormon dialogue over the Ammon Bundy armed standoff in Oregon. With them being found not guilty, I find myself doing it again.
    God bless America. 🙂
    http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/68280-malheur-wildlife-refuge-occupier-verdicts/#comment-1209672416

  58. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I got a goofy piece of mail addressed to me from a CA outfit called Color of Change, claiming to be a Voting Behavior Research Document. Thinks I am a POC, and asks me if I plan to vote, early or on election day, what time of day, and do I have a ride to get there. As they do not ask me to provide any answers, or send anything to them, I don’t see how any research is being conducted.
    Just seems like a reminder for anyone who is specifically BLACK to go vote.
    Googling them I find (unsurprisingly) :

    Through the years, Color of Change has received considerable funding from groups controlled by George Soros, the billionaire best known for backing left-wing nonprofit groups. Since 2009, Soros’ Open Society Foundation (OSF) has given $550,000 to Color of Change and its parent organization, Citizen Engagement Laboratory (CEL).

    https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/524-color-of-change/

  59. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #55;
    We just borrowed a skeleton outfit for Adedhun to wear for Halloween. He looks cute in it. It was his idea too. The boy packs a power brain inside his cranium.

  60. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Fay was reading the WD-40 story to me earlier. I must have lost something in my abridged translation.
    🙂

  61. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    64 mh42
    I recognized Color of Change and remembered Van Jones, the commie forced to resign from the White House, was the founder.
    At Discover the Networks.org, you’ll find this:

    Founded by Van Jones and James Rucker, a former director of MoveOn.org…

  62. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The Heartland Alliance’s National Immigrant Justice Center, a progressive liberal advocacy organization “dedicated to ensuring human rights protections” for immigrants and asylum seekers—including apparently terrorists—filed a FOIA lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security.
    The lawsuit claimed that DHS was refusing to release the identity of Tier III terrorist organizations, unlike the identities of what are defined as Tier I and Tier II terrorist groups that are publicly identified.

    and,

    However, in a spirited concurrence written by Judge Daniel Manion, the judge expressed his “concern about the apparent lack of Syrian Christians as a part of immigrants from that country.”
    According to Manion, it is “well-documented” that the refugees are not representative of that “war-torn area of the world.” Ten percent of the Syrian population is Christian and “yet less than one-half of 1 percent of Syrian refugees admitted to the United States this year are Christian.”
    President Barack Obama set a goal of resettling 10,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S., and by August that goal had already been exceeded. But of the “nearly 11,000 refugees admitted by mid-September, only 56 were Christian.”

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