Tuesday “My Back Hurts” Open Comments

Government spends more on disability than food stamps and welfare combined – and does a lousy job of it.

“Since the economy began its slow, slow recovery in late 2009, we’ve been averaging about 150,000 jobs created per month,” said Joffe-Walt in an Public Radio International (PRI) “This American Life” interview. “In that same period every month, almost 250,000 people have been applying for disability.”

In some parts of the country, such as Hale County, Alabama, one out of every four working-age adults collects a disability check
As of 2011, 33.8% of newly diagnosed disabled workers cited “back pain and other musculoskeletal problems” as their reason for being unable to work. In 1961, the top reason for being disabled was “heart disease, stroke”
Disabled workers do not get counted in the unemployment figures. If they did, the numbers would be far higher

“That’s a kind of ugly secret of the American labor market,” said MIT economist David Autor. “Part of the reason our unemployment rates have been low, until recently, is that a lot of people who would have trouble finding jobs are on a different program.”
Joffe-Walt says disability has “become a de facto welfare program for people without a lot of education or job skills.” The reporter notes that the disability program “wasn’t supposed to serve this purpose; it’s not a retraining program designed to get people back onto their feet.”
According to Social Security chief actuary Steve Goss, disability insurance program reserves will run out of money in 2016.

I understand that people who can no longer collect unemployment have developed back troubles in order to make ends meet.
And the Dems are happy with that, because it makes the unemployment numbers look better, and it creates a whole new dependency group.
Discuss.


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  1. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Firsticus, on this thread.

  2. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The logic is really simple; if you pay people to not work then that is exactly what they will do. If you really wanted to fix the unemployment problem, without severely punishing the producers, how about contracting with big employers, like WalMart, for example, and subsidizing them to hire more people. The ones hired would go off the unemployment rolls, and into the workforce. If they refuse to go to work and show up on time they get cut loose and get no benefits from the govt. This will inspire them to find a better job rather than develop calluses on their gaming fingers and butts. Further, it will train them to show up – or else. The employer can use the temporary subsidized period to find worthy employees and keep them on without the subsidy.

  3. Tedtam Avatar

    Chuck Woolery tweets on the OC thread topic:

    Just sent you a piece on disability. Keep in mind, I have had a 4 way bypass, stroke. I am still working without Govt assistance. Whats up?

    Chuck Woolery (@chuckwoolery) March 25, 2013

    Oh, I forgot, Aorta aneurysm. That should count for something. Man, I am a disability wet dream.—
    Chuck Woolery (@chuckwoolery) March 26, 2013

    So let me see. 17 yrs 4 way bypass, 15yrs aneurysm, 2 yrs stroke. So that was Home and family, Dating game, and Lingo. 3 shows ago.—
    Chuck Woolery (@chuckwoolery) March 26, 2013

  4. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Bones, I do not think we need to resort to any type of corporate welfare to encourage Wal-Mart to hire the unemployed. Wal-Mart already does a fine job of hiring from the bottom of the barrel. I have a friend that has been employed by Wal-Mart for over 10 years and he says the decline in attitude and capability of new hires is unfathomable. This forces management to rely more heavily on good employees like my friend. In other words my friend the good hard working man gets the “honor and privilege” of picking up the slack for all the other losers that Wal-Mart hires. He is almost past the point of being “sick and tired” of the state of affairs at work. I think he is starting to look at other careers now.

    If they refuse to go to work and show up on time they get cut loose and get no benefits from the govt.

    I would hope that most companies already do this as it keeps their TWC unemployment taxes lower. I had several people that I have let go in the past try and collect unemployment benefits. I was successful in blocking every one of them because I kept good documentation of my disciplinary efforts.

  5. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. Had a light frost and 32 for about an hour just before Dawn’s rosy fingers appeared, but the frost hung around on roofs and pastures until shortly after daylight. Can’t recall a frost this late since we’ve lived out on the moors on the north bank of the Brazos at Richmond, and that will be 33 years on April 12. Crisp certainly described the jaunt to and from the barn at 6, and the mares were anxious for breakfast. Had to break out the winter jacket and gloves for this trip and the march down the dirveway to fetch the ever-shrinking Chronicle.
    Suggestion to combat the disability claim glut: First require everyone signed up for it since 2008 to present current medical certification that there is indeed a legitimate disability. Investigate possible fraudulent cases and prosecute when fraud is discovered. That includes those receiving benefits and medical personnel falsely certifying disability. 🙂

  6. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    From Bone’s #42 earlier this morning on yesterday’s thread.

    If the banksters in charge make risky investments or loans with the deposits on account ans suddenly find themselves insolvent, are they simply going to seize the funds (or a percentage therein) over $250K?

    I really like that new term: Banksters.

  7. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Suggestion to combat the disability claim glut: First require everyone signed up for it since 2008 to present current medical certification that there is indeed a legitimate disability. Investigate possible fraudulent cases and prosecute when fraud is discovered.
    That includes those receiving benefits and medical personnel falsely certifying disability.

    I’ll go with that.
    On the Edddd Hendeeee Show this am, he mentioned that the guy in the hot tub from GSA was allowed to retire with full benefits, and his boss (who was fired for dereliction of duty) sued and won reinstatement, plus 11 months back pay with interest. Until we clean up the gov’t union/civil service racket, it will be very hard to change the direction of the country.

  8. squawkbox Avatar

    Texmo
    From your question yesterday.
    I use Google translate to read the foreign news feeds. Yup you are correct the stories are not the same. Even the content of the “same” stories is different.
    I like the native feeds because quite often I get more information about what is going on here in our own country than what our lovely MSM provides.

  9. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I really like that new term: Banksters.

    I wish that I could say that I coined the phrase but that would be a lie – I read it somewhere.
    In 1978 I coined the phrase “break it off in their @$$” but it took quite a while for it to catch on.

  10. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning All
    I’ve got a compressed L3 disc and Osteoarthritis. Where’s the freebie Line?????????????

  11. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Battleship Texas continues outstanding service
    March 26, 1945
    On this day in 1945, the battleship Texas supported the landings for the battle of Okinawa, the final great amphibious assault of World War II. The keel of the Texas, the second battleship to bear this name, was laid at Newport News, Virginia, on April 17, 1911. After serving in the Atlantic Fleet in the First World War, she supported the World War II landings in North Africa, Omaha Beach, southern France, and Iwo Jima. After more than thirty-four years of naval service she was retired and given to the state of Texas to be used as a memorial. She is permanently moored at the San Jacinto Monument off the Houston Ship Channel.

  12. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    The video was uploaded to YouTube last week by a user who stated that it was shot in the middle of the desert between Hackberry and Peach Springs, Arizona.
    It shows hundreds of military style trucks loaded on to a train, presumably in the process of being delivered domestically for law enforcement or military purposes.
    The video raises significant questions in the wake of reports that the Department of Homeland Security, headed by Janet Napolitano, recently purchased around 2,700 MRAP trucks that many believe are to be deployed to local law enforcement agencies around the country.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OTHb1M5S3K0
    This clip is 4 minutes and 45 seconds long and the the train just keeps on coming the entire clip.

  13. Tedtam Avatar

    This is so sweet – Chili’s fixed a broken cheeseburger for an autistic girl. And with a great deal of understanding and compassion.

    Lauren was so sweet and just smiled and went along with Arianna, telling her “I brought you a broken cheeseburger?! You know what, I’ll have them cook you a new one!” I loved this because rather than just taking it from the table, she actually TOLD Arianna what she was doing. While this seems insignificant, by her telling Arianna what she was doing, we avoided a melt down. The manager, Bradley Cottermole, then came to our table, kneeled down, and said to Arianna, “I heard we gave you a broken cheeseburger! I am so sorry about that! We are making you a brand new one that isn’t broken, with pickles! I’ll bring you some french fries to munch on while you’re waiting, ok?” A couple of minutes later, Lauren arrived back at our table with cheeseburger #2.

    Where are those tissues?!

  14. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    TexMo
    Your Walmart friend’s story mirrors my neighbor’s experience. She has worked there for over fifteen years.

  15. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    13TT
    Good story. It fits my credo for life to a tee and shows that it works.
    It costs me nothing to say “hello” and yet it might make all the difference to that person. It costs me nothing to give a hug and yet that hug might make all the
    difference to a friend. It costs me nothing to listen to someone else’s pain and yet the
    listening might make all the difference to them.
    Love is to be found in the small, ordinary acts of kindness as well as in the
    extravagant gesture.

  16. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    That keel information is critical.

  17. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    16 Shannon says:
    March 26, 2013 at 11:25 am
    That keel information is critical.

    Another little known fact about BB35.
    She had no shakedown cruise.

    USS Texas (BB35) was commissioned at Norfolk, Virginia, on 12 March 1914 with Captain Albert W. Grant, USN, commanding. Texas joined the fleet at a time when great events in history were about to take place. Trouble in the Western Hemisphere kept her from making the normal shakedown cruise that a newly commissioned vessel usually makes and she was immediately assigned to the Atlantic Special Service Squadron.
    snip
    Texas was on the fringe of war before her paint had dried. In late March 1914, she sailed to New York for installation of gun sights. On her return to Hampton Roads orders were received to take on coal and ammunition before sailing for Vera Cruz, Mexico.
    Texas was part of the squadron that landed a force of 800 Marines and seamen at Vera Cruz on 22 April 1914 to protect U.S. citizens and rights during a period of political unrest in Mexico. Texas remained on that station, engaging in tactical maneuvers, until August when she steamed north to New York.

    To emphasize this point when I gave tours of the ship, I would tell visitors that
    “Her First Cruise was a War Cruise to Vera Cruz.”

  18. Tedtam Avatar

    My neighborhood may have its own low-wattage radio station soon. Not sure why we need one, but “grants and endowments” were mentioned.
    Not real happy about that. All I need is for the yard nazis to have a radio station on which to discuss the neighbors’ deficiencies in public, on the public’s dime.

  19. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    OTL

    I’ve got a compressed L3 disc and Osteoarthritis. Where’s the freebie Line?????????????

    If I recall, you are over 65. You get a free pass to the curb. 😀

  20. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    I’ve got a compressed L3 disc and Osteoarthritis. Where’s the freebie Line?????????????

    How about Tedtam’s new fangled upside down table?

  21. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Social Security Disablity claim abuse has been around forever, although I’m sure the numbers have escalated hundreds fold. I’ve known of several white trash abusers over the years and I’ve turned them in. Of course nothing ever happens.

  22. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Not real happy about that. All I need is for the yard nazis to have a radio station on which to discuss the neighbors’ deficiencies in public, on the public’s dime.

    Tedtam just volunteer to host a weekly one hour segment so your voice can be heard.

  23. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    How about Tedtam’s new fangled upside down table?

    You tryin’ to kill the man? 😀

  24. Tedtam Avatar

    #22 Texmo

    Tedtam just volunteer to host a weekly one hour segment so your voice can be heard.

    I doubt they’d want to hear what I have to say.

  25. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #22
    She could do segments on tofu recipes.

  26. Tedtam Avatar

    #23 GJT

    How about Tedtam’s new fangled upside down table?

    You tryin’ to kill the man?

    To make sure he got the full benefit of gravity on his spine, we could tie a coupla 10 pound weights around his neck and then flip him over.

  27. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    😀 Gyro ride for the kids.

  28. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    To make sure he got the full benefit of gravity on his spine, we could tie a coupla 10 pound weights around his neck and then flip him over.

    Why not tie the rope around his neck and toss him off the 2nd floor, that would cure all of his pain.
    /sarc off

  29. Tedtam Avatar

    Hubby always says about reducing pain “We could amputate at the neck.”

  30. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    How about Tedtam’s new fangled upside down table?

    Philosophical question:
    If you eat Pineapple Upside Down Cake at Tedtams Upside Down table, is either or both of them become Upside Right?

  31. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    That’s deep man.

  32. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    If you eat Pineapple Upside Down Cake at Tedtams Upside Down table, is either or both of them become Upside Right?

    Do you have to suffer from cranial/rectal inclusion syndrome to contemplate the answer?

  33. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I have a painium in my cranium because I put too much strainium on my branium

  34. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    31 GJT says:
    March 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    That’s deep man.

    You want deep?
    What if you’re watching Every Which Way But Loose while you’re eating the Upside down Cake?

  35. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Right turn Clyde

  36. Katfish Avatar

    ………………..not real sure that swallowing food would end well while inverted………..HEY TRY it and let us know!
    (if ya live through the experience of course) 🙂

  37. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    13 TedTam
    Good Posting. Our little angel has her share of problems. She is undersized (gives waif-ish new meaning) and legally blind. If that was not enough, she has Asberger’s Syndrome, which is on the high functioning end of the autistic spectrum.
    Ms. Simple and I are quite familiar with the meltdowns that occur when things do not go to an expected plan. Luckily, we have learned to anticipate and the meltdowns do not happen as often or are as severe.
    I would have slipped the Chili’s wait staff several Ben Franklins for their sensitivity.
    Simple

  38. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Tofu, crochet, and barf kitty radio.
    Wow!

  39. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    You could teach Catholicism on the radio.
    I’d listen.

  40. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    18 TedTam
    Go to YouTube and “Search” for “How to Hunt for Pirate Radio”. It is in reality instructions
    on how to make your own low power FM Station.
    It is quite legal, as long as, you stay within Part 97 of the federal regulations governing low power emitters. Ramsey Electronics makes a pretty good FM Transmitter that stays within the legal limits. They have an “export” model that will go slightly higher.
    The FCC has been really putting the hammer down on the “Pirates” that do not obey the rules. It is the local commercial broadcasters and offended neighbors that usually point the FCC in your direction, however there are a number of these micro-broadcasters out there and some are quite good.
    Simple

  41. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK I’m not keeping up and this will be a quick “Drive-By”

    In some parts of the country, such as Hale County, Alabama, one out of every four working-age adults collects a disability check.

    Hale County is one of eleven “Blue” counties in Alabama, (Alabama has 67 Counties) it’s sparsely populated, ‘bout 15K, with no big towns. FWIW; the “Blue Counties” are stretched across the center of the state and are touching each other, they are, West to East; Sumter, Greene, Hale, Perry, Dallas, Wilcox, Lowndes, Montgomery, Macon, Bullock and Russell. Trivia; The first number of the License Plate stands for the County 1 Jefferson, (Birmingham ) 2 Mobile, 3 Montgomery, then they are in alphabetical order. The first three have the most population.

  42. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    19 GJT says:
    I’ve got a compressed L3 disc and Osteoarthritis. Where’s the freebie Line?????????????
    If I recall, you are over 65. You get a free pass to the curb. 😀

    65? I can’t remember that far back…………….course I can’t remember what I had for dinner yestiddy…..

    30 Sarge says:
    How about Tedtam’s new fangled upside down table?
    Philosophical question:
    If you eat Pineapple Upside Down Cake at Tedtams Upside Down table, is either or both of them become Upside Right?

    That would mean I would have to stick my head in the toilet…………

  43. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #41 Dave
    What’s with the geography lesson? Will there be a pop quiz later?
    /shudder

  44. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I had another training day, but tomorrow is the last one. Contrary to recent pessimism, there is still a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, even for us old ones heaped up along the curb.

  45. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #13 Tedtam, I thnik that I’ve got sumpin’ in my eye.

  46. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #41 Dave
    What’s with the geography lesson? Will there be a pop quiz later?

    I just think that it is interesting to check out the “Blue Counties” in Red states, In Alabamy it’s right across the center and there is a reason for that, not counting Montgomery which is Blue for the same reason that Travis County Texas, Fulton County Georgia, Leon County Florida, Etc,… are.
    😉

  47. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    What’s with the geography lesson? Will there be a pop quiz later?

    OK, What Alabama City has the “Boll Weevil Monument” ? Extra points for naming the County, if you don’t cheat and Google it. 😉

  48. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Oh and for all you “slackers” this one will be easy, the “Vulcan statue”.

  49. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Ok, so on Sunday I opened a couple of windows to let the cool breeze wind in and later I noticed what I thought was a small lizard run under the dresser. I looked under it and didn’t see anything and promptly forgot it. Then a few minutes ago I looked in the empty trash can beside my desk and there was a small Skink in it, somehow he managed to fall into the trash can and couldn’t get out so I took him outside and he scurried off under a flower pot.

  50. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Welp, it’s official, ole Dave has done been Kilt tha’ blog. I guess JimB was right,…… 🙁

  51. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I shoulda known that SD was too smart to kill a bug eater.

  52. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    0445 comes real early; nitey night.

  53. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Dave is a kind man. I’ve been a big fan of his’n since he told a story about a juvenile squirrel that got into a building at his workplace. Everyone else was in an uproar, but Dave cornered and picked up the critter and carried it outside for release.

  54. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Nevermind that he eats the chilrens.

  55. Tedtam Avatar

    I’ve found several skinks while digging. Think I killed one. That upset me. I like skinks. Not down my back or anything, they just take me back to my childhood, when my big brothers would show them to me.
    We used to have a buttload of anoles around the house. We still have some, but not as many.
    I wonder if the feral cat that’s adopted us had anything to do with that.

  56. Tedtam Avatar

    Oh, drove down to Sweeny to meet with backup prospective tenants #2. I was almost into West Columbia when the wife called and said her hubby had been called in to work on short notice.
    I get to repeat the exercise again tomorrow. Hopefully, she’ll get my message that I can’t meet at 6:00 pm like I said. I forgot that I have class tomorrow night.

  57. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    What I miss are toads. 15 years ago we had quite a few in our yard, and I even had a toad village made of old clay pots partially buried to make shady hidey-holes for them. I guess it’s been too dry for toads to make it. Darn that MMGW!
    http://i.imgur.com/arvim.gif

  58. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Bring back the Horny Toads!

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