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Monday Fake Fuel Open Comments

From Breitbart’s Big Government site: Blogger Busts EPA’s Fake Fuel Figures
It seems the EPA has been playing fast and loose with its calculations.

…the generation of electricity, the transmission and distribution of electricity, the conversion of the AC electricity into DC electricity, and the charging and discharging of the vehicle batteries all have energy losses associated with these activities. The average efficiency of power generation is perhaps 42.5%, the transmission and distribution efficiency is perhaps 90%, the AC to DC conversion and the battery charge discharge efficiency is about 90%. Multiplying all these efficiencies one can calculate that the overall efficiency is 34.4% to get electric power from fuels at the power station into stored electrons within the plug in vehicle’s batteries.
On this basis the 118 MPG equivalent is 40.6 MPG actual for the Honda Fit which is not much of an improvement to the gasoline version of this vehicle that has an EPA rating of 35 MPG combined for city and highway driving.

The EPA lies? I’m shocked! SHOCKED, I say! /sarc off

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  1. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Firsticus!

  2. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Firsticus!

  3. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Queen Tinkles: Let’s not forget that making ethanol from corn for transportation fuel is anything but sustainable. I think the average is that it takes around 2 gallons of diesel to put one gallon of ethanol in your fuel tank.

  4. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Queen Tinkles: Let’s not forget that making ethanol from corn for transportation fuel is anything but sustainable. I think the average is that it takes around 2 gallons of diesel to put one gallon of ethanol in your fuel tank.

  5. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The Soldier Of The Future.

  6. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The Soldier Of The Future.

  7. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #2 Boney

    I’m going to have to trust your numbers. I was up in the office last night, coming out around 11:30. I almost cried when I saw that both of my men had gone to sleep and left all of the food out and dirty dishes everywhere. I cleaned up and went to bed, exhausted. I slept like the dead and I woke up late this morning with a headache. I just threw this post together and tossed it up for public perusal. My brain is not functioning well right now.

    So, I’m assuming you’re not the EPA, and you actually know what you’re talking about.

    Good boy. /holding head and sobbing softly

  8. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #2 Boney
    I’m going to have to trust your numbers. I was up in the office last night, coming out around 11:30. I almost cried when I saw that both of my men had gone to sleep and left all of the food out and dirty dishes everywhere. I cleaned up and went to bed, exhausted. I slept like the dead and I woke up late this morning with a headache. I just threw this post together and tossed it up for public perusal. My brain is not functioning well right now.
    So, I’m assuming you’re not the EPA, and you actually know what you’re talking about.
    Good boy. /holding head and sobbing softly

  9. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

     
    From the two latest book releases. http://vlt.tc/bfg  “On the matter of terrorist detentions, Mr. Obama’s ideological principles prevailed. Liberal ideology, Mr. Klaidman explains, kept the president from establishing a viable terrorist-detention system; the result was a policy that compelled the administration to kill terror suspects rather than capture them. This outcome appalled not only intelligence professionals, who now had no one to interrogate, but also Obama loyalists like National Security Adviser Tom Donilon. In one of his most telling passages, Mr. Klaidman depicts a passive commander in chief who often procrastinated in the hopes that problems would go away, a sharp divergence from the engaged and proactive president of the official narrative. “The president’s own elusiveness created confusion about who was in control of policy,” Mr. Klaidman writes. “In this vacuum his advisers fought brutally, each side invoking the president in support of its cause.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450703378905774.html

  10. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

     
    From the two latest book releases. http://vlt.tc/bfg  “On the matter of terrorist detentions, Mr. Obama’s ideological principles prevailed. Liberal ideology, Mr. Klaidman explains, kept the president from establishing a viable terrorist-detention system; the result was a policy that compelled the administration to kill terror suspects rather than capture them. This outcome appalled not only intelligence professionals, who now had no one to interrogate, but also Obama loyalists like National Security Adviser Tom Donilon. In one of his most telling passages, Mr. Klaidman depicts a passive commander in chief who often procrastinated in the hopes that problems would go away, a sharp divergence from the engaged and proactive president of the official narrative. “The president’s own elusiveness created confusion about who was in control of policy,” Mr. Klaidman writes. “In this vacuum his advisers fought brutally, each side invoking the president in support of its cause.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450703378905774.html

  11. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #4 Sleepy Head:

    both of my men had gone to sleep and left all of the food out and dirty dishes everywhere

    I guess the occupants of Camp TedTam with external plumbing are going to learn the axiom: WHEN MOMMA AIN’T HAPPY NO ONE’S HAPPY

  12. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #4 Sleepy Head:

    both of my men had gone to sleep and left all of the food out and dirty dishes everywhere

    I guess the occupants of Camp TedTam with external plumbing are going to learn the axiom: WHEN MOMMA AIN’T HAPPY NO ONE’S HAPPY

  13. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    A government agency LYING?

    say it aint SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    A government agency LYING?
    say it aint SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    re: ethanol. The eco-terds refuse to acknowledge the diesel required to plant, harvest and process the corn into ethanol. Further they refuse to acknowledge the fact that ethanol has to be trucked from the production plant (a great big wissin moonshine still) to the refinery where it is blended into the gasoline. Further still, they refuse to acknowledge that ethanol does not pack the same punch as gasoline, therefore fuel economy goes down. While it is possible to run a gasoline engine on straight ethanol (they do it in Brazil) the equivalent engine/car will get about 60% (I could be off a bit on this number) better mileage on gasoline than ethanol. It is far more efficient to make ethanol from sugar cane than corn. We have almost eradicated sugar cane production from this country; much to the surprise of absolutely no one, the mandate that the ethanol be made from corn was a bribe to the corn producing states.

  16. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    re: ethanol. The eco-terds refuse to acknowledge the diesel required to plant, harvest and process the corn into ethanol. Further they refuse to acknowledge the fact that ethanol has to be trucked from the production plant (a great big wissin moonshine still) to the refinery where it is blended into the gasoline. Further still, they refuse to acknowledge that ethanol does not pack the same punch as gasoline, therefore fuel economy goes down. While it is possible to run a gasoline engine on straight ethanol (they do it in Brazil) the equivalent engine/car will get about 60% (I could be off a bit on this number) better mileage on gasoline than ethanol. It is far more efficient to make ethanol from sugar cane than corn. We have almost eradicated sugar cane production from this country; much to the surprise of absolutely no one, the mandate that the ethanol be made from corn was a bribe to the corn producing states.

  17. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    A VW Jetta diesel gets 42 MPG highway.

    Without a buncha heavy, expensive batteries and misc. electronics.

  18. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    A VW Jetta diesel gets 42 MPG highway.
    Without a buncha heavy, expensive batteries and misc. electronics.

  19. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #9 Flamer: I knew a guy in the early 80’s who had a diesel VW pickup, a tiny little thing, but it got around 60 mpg on the highway with the AC on. I never rode in it, so I don’t know ifn you had to make an appointment to get on the highway or if it had the power to get out of its own way.

  20. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #9 Flamer: I knew a guy in the early 80’s who had a diesel VW pickup, a tiny little thing, but it got around 60 mpg on the highway with the AC on. I never rode in it, so I don’t know ifn you had to make an appointment to get on the highway or if it had the power to get out of its own way.

  21. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #4 TT

    both of my men had gone to sleep and left all of the food out and dirty dishes everywhere

    Yep, that’s what “bedtime” means to men. Turn out the lights (if that much!) and head to bed.

    Hmm, maybe that would be better phrased, what “shutting down for the night” means to men. “Bedtime” prolly means something else entirely.

  22. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #4 TT

    both of my men had gone to sleep and left all of the food out and dirty dishes everywhere

    Yep, that’s what “bedtime” means to men. Turn out the lights (if that much!) and head to bed.
    Hmm, maybe that would be better phrased, what “shutting down for the night” means to men. “Bedtime” prolly means something else entirely.

  23. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Boney – Isn’t it also true that ethanol can damage engines? If they start pushing for higher ethanol numbers, there are going to be costs on the car owner for repairs.

  24. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Boney – Isn’t it also true that ethanol can damage engines? If they start pushing for higher ethanol numbers, there are going to be costs on the car owner for repairs.

  25. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Back in 1978 the original VW Rabbit diesel got 57 mpg highway. 57! Side note – it was also the first foreign car to be built in the US.

  26. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Back in 1978 the original VW Rabbit diesel got 57 mpg highway. 57! Side note – it was also the first foreign car to be built in the US.

  27. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #12 TT: I don’t think it is the engine, per se, but the plumbing (you know a little about plumbing dontcha?) associated with getting the fuel from the tank to the cylinder. The ethanol plays havoc with the rubber and promotes corrosion in mild steel, hence the requirement that it be trucked instead of pumped through the pipeline.

  28. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #12 TT: I don’t think it is the engine, per se, but the plumbing (you know a little about plumbing dontcha?) associated with getting the fuel from the tank to the cylinder. The ethanol plays havoc with the rubber and promotes corrosion in mild steel, hence the requirement that it be trucked instead of pumped through the pipeline.

  29. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I’ve driven a few diesels in Yerp & the UK (they’re everywhere and popular). It’s difficult to tell a difference in performance with their gasoline-powered brethren. It’s also not that easy to tell if a car is a diesel when it’s running, unless you’re like a Road & Track editor or it’s in a really quiet area.

    I blame GM for the lack of popularity here. Not because of some conspiracy, but because of the total crap diesels they put in cars in the late 70’s/early 80’s that turned virtually everyone off from owning a diesel.

  30. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I’ve driven a few diesels in Yerp & the UK (they’re everywhere and popular). It’s difficult to tell a difference in performance with their gasoline-powered brethren. It’s also not that easy to tell if a car is a diesel when it’s running, unless you’re like a Road & Track editor or it’s in a really quiet area.
    I blame GM for the lack of popularity here. Not because of some conspiracy, but because of the total crap diesels they put in cars in the late 70’s/early 80’s that turned virtually everyone off from owning a diesel.

  31. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    MSRP for a new diesel Jetta is $25,550. 30/42 epa mpg. So all that pollution crapola costs fuel economy, therefore more fuel is burnt, so how much pollution is actually being prevented?

  32. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    MSRP for a new diesel Jetta is $25,550. 30/42 epa mpg. So all that pollution crapola costs fuel economy, therefore more fuel is burnt, so how much pollution is actually being prevented?

  33. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Those Olds diesels in the late ’70s were horrible. Another example of GM trying to jump on a bandwagon without an instrument.

  34. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Those Olds diesels in the late ’70s were horrible. Another example of GM trying to jump on a bandwagon without an instrument.

  35. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #15 Flamer: Bingo on the crap GM diesels in the late 70’s/early 80’s. They were crap because they were converted gasoline engines and simply not built robustly enough to handle the stresses inherent in a diesel. What makes this all the more appalling is that, at the time, GM built some of the best diesels available, the Detroit used in trucks and smaller equipment and the big honkin’ ElectroMotiveDiesel used in trains and boats and stationary power plants offshore.
    Have you pulled alongside a modern (newer than 2008) diesel pickup lately? Pretty darned quiet due to the common fuel rail technology and no smoke due to better electronic engine controls, and all the power one could reasonably expect from an over the road pickup.

  36. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #15 Flamer: Bingo on the crap GM diesels in the late 70’s/early 80’s. They were crap because they were converted gasoline engines and simply not built robustly enough to handle the stresses inherent in a diesel. What makes this all the more appalling is that, at the time, GM built some of the best diesels available, the Detroit used in trucks and smaller equipment and the big honkin’ ElectroMotiveDiesel used in trains and boats and stationary power plants offshore.
    Have you pulled alongside a modern (newer than 2008) diesel pickup lately? Pretty darned quiet due to the common fuel rail technology and no smoke due to better electronic engine controls, and all the power one could reasonably expect from an over the road pickup.

  37. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Uhhhh let us not leave Honda, Ford, Chevy or any other electric car maker out of this EPA bash fest. You do not see them stepping up to the plate and correcting the EPA’s figures. Bottom line is we der volks are getting the wicked willy right in the shorts from all sides.

    And getting back to EPA guestimations. in optimal driving conditions has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

  38. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Uhhhh let us not leave Honda, Ford, Chevy or any other electric car maker out of this EPA bash fest. You do not see them stepping up to the plate and correcting the EPA’s figures. Bottom line is we der volks are getting the wicked willy right in the shorts from all sides.
    And getting back to EPA guestimations. in optimal driving conditions has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

  39. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    One of the memes of lamentation being put forth by moderates on both sides of the political spectrum is that because of the Tea Party even Ronald Reagan could not get the nomination today. That’s just plain silly:

    Whatever its source, the notion that Reagan would have difficulty being nominated today is laughable. The Republican party is about to nominate Mitt Romney whose offenses against conservative orthodoxy outweigh any that Reagan had committed when he won the nomination in 1980, and any that he committed thereafter judged even by today’s standards. Romney’s opponents plausibly called him a Massachusetts moderate. Anyone who called Reagan a California moderate would have been laughed out of the campaign, and not just for a poor sense of alliteration.

  40. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    One of the memes of lamentation being put forth by moderates on both sides of the political spectrum is that because of the Tea Party even Ronald Reagan could not get the nomination today. That’s just plain silly:

    Whatever its source, the notion that Reagan would have difficulty being nominated today is laughable. The Republican party is about to nominate Mitt Romney whose offenses against conservative orthodoxy outweigh any that Reagan had committed when he won the nomination in 1980, and any that he committed thereafter judged even by today’s standards. Romney’s opponents plausibly called him a Massachusetts moderate. Anyone who called Reagan a California moderate would have been laughed out of the campaign, and not just for a poor sense of alliteration.

  41. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

    With my last few trucks I have achieved just about the EPA estimates. My ’02 truck got better highway mileage.

  42. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

    With my last few trucks I have achieved just about the EPA estimates. My ’02 truck got better highway mileage.

  43. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Woodstein: “We’re still relevant!!!”

  44. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Woodstein: “We’re still relevant!!!”

  45. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

    I get a little less, but I have lead in my moccasins and drive like I have someplace to be.

  46. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

    I get a little less, but I have lead in my moccasins and drive like I have someplace to be.

  47. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Because, you know, the private sector is doing just fine:

    “Obama has an ambitious second-term agenda, which, at least in broad ways, his campaign is beginning to highlight. The President has said that the most important policy he could address in his second term is climate change (italics mine), one of the few issues that he thinks could fundamentally improve the world decades from now. He also is concerned with containing nuclear proliferation.”

  48. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Because, you know, the private sector is doing just fine:

    “Obama has an ambitious second-term agenda, which, at least in broad ways, his campaign is beginning to highlight. The President has said that the most important policy he could address in his second term is climate change (italics mine), one of the few issues that he thinks could fundamentally improve the world decades from now. He also is concerned with containing nuclear proliferation.”

  49. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    374,400 toothpicks stolen in Athens, GA.

    I wonder who the top suspect might be…

  50. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    374,400 toothpicks stolen in Athens, GA.
    I wonder who the top suspect might be…

  51. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #19 – from WAY out in left field (and a gas fueled BIG block) Betty-the-’01-crown-vic-copmobile gets a solid 22.5 – 23 mpg on the highway (surprised the heck out of me)

  52. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #19 – from WAY out in left field (and a gas fueled BIG block) Betty-the-’01-crown-vic-copmobile gets a solid 22.5 – 23 mpg on the highway (surprised the heck out of me)

  53. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #24 hamous
    If he gets reelected, he may just get overtaken by events as the economy crashes around him.

  54. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #24 hamous
    If he gets reelected, he may just get overtaken by events as the economy crashes around him.

  55. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #25: from your linkie:

    Two current employees told the owner they were at the J&J Flea Market on Commerce Road on Saturday when they saw a man walking around selling containers of Armond’s green “MicroPicks,” according to police. The employees could only describe the toothpick hawker as a Hi-spanic man, police said, and the business owner told officers that the man at the flea market may have gotten the contraband from current or former employees.

  56. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #25: from your linkie:

    Two current employees told the owner they were at the J&J Flea Market on Commerce Road on Saturday when they saw a man walking around selling containers of Armond’s green “MicroPicks,” according to police. The employees could only describe the toothpick hawker as a Hi-spanic man, police said, and the business owner told officers that the man at the flea market may have gotten the contraband from current or former employees.

  57. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I figured it would have been Rainman.

  58. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I figured it would have been Rainman.

  59. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #25: Those toothpicks were plastic! What self respecting cracker-redneck would degrade themselves by using a plastic toothpick?!?

  60. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #25: Those toothpicks were plastic! What self respecting cracker-redneck would degrade themselves by using a plastic toothpick?!?

  61. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    If he gets reelected…

    Each day it becomes more and more incredulous that that is even a plausible scenario.

  62. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    If he gets reelected…

    Each day it becomes more and more incredulous that that is even a plausible scenario.

  63. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Each day it becomes more and more incredulous that that is even a plausible scenario.

    :>)

  64. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Each day it becomes more and more incredulous that that is even a plausible scenario.

    :>)

  65. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    MI moved back from “leaning Obama” into the undecided column in RCPs electoral map.

  66. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    MI moved back from “leaning Obama” into the undecided column in RCPs electoral map.

  67. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #31 hamous
    I give you this.

  68. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #31 hamous
    I give you this.

  69. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    They still have Flarda, NC and WI in the undecided columns I would put those in the leaning RMoney column.

  70. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    They still have Flarda, NC and WI in the undecided columns I would put those in the leaning RMoney column.

  71. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Well, it looks like Boehner can’t stall anymore and they are gonna vote on a Contempt of Congress citation for Eric “the commie” Holder. I doubt that it will accomplish anything of substance and Holder will not lose his job over it. Nothing more than a big slap on the hand.

  72. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Well, it looks like Boehner can’t stall anymore and they are gonna vote on a Contempt of Congress citation for Eric “the commie” Holder. I doubt that it will accomplish anything of substance and Holder will not lose his job over it. Nothing more than a big slap on the hand.

  73. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    It was about a year ago that Anthony Weiner was all in the news. Now we hear that he is holding his own as a stay at home dad.

  74. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    It was about a year ago that Anthony Weiner was all in the news. Now we hear that he is holding his own as a stay at home dad.

  75. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    linkie for #37

  76. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    linkie for #37

  77. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    BC – Florida and Wisconsin are probably still toss-ups. There is no way NC and MO are toss-ups. I also question AZ and IA.

  78. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    BC – Florida and Wisconsin are probably still toss-ups. There is no way NC and MO are toss-ups. I also question AZ and IA.

  79. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    39
    Wise man sayeth: Never trust the Missourians.

  80. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    39
    Wise man sayeth: Never trust the Missourians.

  81. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    14 Boney,

    Educate me! Just where is rubber used in modern pipelines?

    FWIW, Ethane, Propane, and the Butanes are not so nice for Buna-N, which is the “rubber” that I am assuming you are referring to, but Viton replaced Buna-N a couple of decades ago in regulator diaphramns and valve seats, where direct contact with low boiling point hydrocarbons was possible.

    FWIW2 I am no fan of ethanol also and the plain economics are sufficent to not warrant its use today in the USA.

    Simple

  82. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    14 Boney,
    Educate me! Just where is rubber used in modern pipelines?
    FWIW, Ethane, Propane, and the Butanes are not so nice for Buna-N, which is the “rubber” that I am assuming you are referring to, but Viton replaced Buna-N a couple of decades ago in regulator diaphramns and valve seats, where direct contact with low boiling point hydrocarbons was possible.
    FWIW2 I am no fan of ethanol also and the plain economics are sufficent to not warrant its use today in the USA.
    Simple

  83. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Hey, I check back at lunch and none of you men took any umbrage (or maybe even noticed) the issue #4, #11 about men flaking out for the night with no attempt to shut things down around the house.

    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

  84. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Hey, I check back at lunch and none of you men took any umbrage (or maybe even noticed) the issue #4, #11 about men flaking out for the night with no attempt to shut things down around the house.
    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

  85. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

    If you’re gonna be in there makin’ all that noise, how’s about rustlin’ me up a sammich.

  86. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

    If you’re gonna be in there makin’ all that noise, how’s about rustlin’ me up a sammich.

  87. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    19 Seagull,

    Those mileage estimates are based upon data generated with vehicles driven under test track conditions for road and city by “trained” drivers who know how to pump the most mileage out of a vehicle. The estimates are the statistical mean within a confidence band, which means you can do better or worse than the stated estimates under the same conditions. (It in the fine print at the bottom of the sticker)

    1. You driving profile probably deviates from the “test” profile.
    2. Most of us have some pretty poor accelerator and braking habits.

    The estimates are just that….estimates and are intended to serve as a guideline.

    Simple

  88. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    19 Seagull,
    Those mileage estimates are based upon data generated with vehicles driven under test track conditions for road and city by “trained” drivers who know how to pump the most mileage out of a vehicle. The estimates are the statistical mean within a confidence band, which means you can do better or worse than the stated estimates under the same conditions. (It in the fine print at the bottom of the sticker)
    1. You driving profile probably deviates from the “test” profile.
    2. Most of us have some pretty poor accelerator and braking habits.
    The estimates are just that….estimates and are intended to serve as a guideline.
    Simple

  89. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    My first reaction was “Wow! Way TMI dude! Just get me to the airport, mmkay?”

    Then, after talking to him I learned that while he was presently a shuttle driver, he aspired to become a pilot so that a similar sign could reside near the cockpit door.

  90. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    My first reaction was “Wow! Way TMI dude! Just get me to the airport, mmkay?”
    Then, after talking to him I learned that while he was presently a shuttle driver, he aspired to become a pilot so that a similar sign could reside near the cockpit door.

  91. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Re Diesels:

    I thoroughly enjoyed the Ford Focus diesel and the Kia Carens (Rondo here in the U.S.). The Ford had enough low end torque to actually make it a fun car to drive in the city. I drove the Kia across the Atlas Mountains on our trip to the Sahara. That was the first time I had ever driven across a mountain range in a diesel powered vehicle. The low end torque and the manual transmission made the accent and decent actually enjoyable. I contrast this with trips in NM, AZ, UT, and CO in gas powered vehicles with the very annoying and constant up/down shifting.

    I came close to purchasing an manual VW about 6 months ago, but I decided I needed a larger second car so I went with a larger domestic… with a 6.1L Hemi. That is pretty much a 180° turn on fuel economy. 🙂

  92. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Re Diesels:
    I thoroughly enjoyed the Ford Focus diesel and the Kia Carens (Rondo here in the U.S.). The Ford had enough low end torque to actually make it a fun car to drive in the city. I drove the Kia across the Atlas Mountains on our trip to the Sahara. That was the first time I had ever driven across a mountain range in a diesel powered vehicle. The low end torque and the manual transmission made the accent and decent actually enjoyable. I contrast this with trips in NM, AZ, UT, and CO in gas powered vehicles with the very annoying and constant up/down shifting.
    I came close to purchasing an manual VW about 6 months ago, but I decided I needed a larger second car so I went with a larger domestic… with a 6.1L Hemi. That is pretty much a 180° turn on fuel economy. 🙂

  93. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #41 Simple: from my #14:

    The ethanol plays havoc with the rubber and promotes corrosion in mild steel, hence the requirement that it be trucked instead of pumped through the pipeline.

    I hope that clears my position. The rubber portion of the sentence dealt with the rubber in the cars, particularly older ones.

  94. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #41 Simple: from my #14:

    The ethanol plays havoc with the rubber and promotes corrosion in mild steel, hence the requirement that it be trucked instead of pumped through the pipeline.

    I hope that clears my position. The rubber portion of the sentence dealt with the rubber in the cars, particularly older ones.

  95. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    How long before the Germans give up or refuse to go along for more?

  96. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    How long before the Germans give up or refuse to go along for more?

  97. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Wise man sayeth: Never trust the Missourians.

  98. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Wise man sayeth: Never trust the Missourians.

  99. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Pipeline companies have a keen interest in assessing the feasibility of transporting fuel grade ethanol (FGE) and ethanol blends in existing pipelines. Previous field experience and laboratory research, funded by PRCI and API, has shown that steel can suffer stress corrosion cracking (SCC) when exposed to FGE in the presence of oxygen. Though cracking was prevalent under some conditions, variability in cracking susceptibility of steel was noted with different ethanol chemistries. Additionally, the effects of residence time of FGE or its blends on SCC (i.e. crack initiation time and growth rate) had not yet been determined. Finally, the effects of ethanol on other materials used in the pipelines, such as elastomeric seals and internal coatings, needed to be evaluated. Thus, the major objectives of the program are to: 1) Develop data necessary to make engineering assessments of the feasibility of transporting FGE and FGE blends in existing pipelines. The transportation may be in a dedicated pipeline or in a batching mode, 2) Identify ethanol blends that can be transported in existing pipelines without significant modification of the system and operations (Case 1), blends that require significant modifications (Case 2), and blends that cannot be transported in existing pipelines, but could be moved in specially designed systems (Case 3); and, 3) characterize the time to initiation of SCC in a range of potent ethanol environments and identify safe operating and or batching practices that prevent the initiation and growth of SCC.

    http://prci.org/index.php/site/projects_single/determine_the_requirements_for_existing_systems_to_transport_ethanol_withou/

  100. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Pipeline companies have a keen interest in assessing the feasibility of transporting fuel grade ethanol (FGE) and ethanol blends in existing pipelines. Previous field experience and laboratory research, funded by PRCI and API, has shown that steel can suffer stress corrosion cracking (SCC) when exposed to FGE in the presence of oxygen. Though cracking was prevalent under some conditions, variability in cracking susceptibility of steel was noted with different ethanol chemistries. Additionally, the effects of residence time of FGE or its blends on SCC (i.e. crack initiation time and growth rate) had not yet been determined. Finally, the effects of ethanol on other materials used in the pipelines, such as elastomeric seals and internal coatings, needed to be evaluated. Thus, the major objectives of the program are to: 1) Develop data necessary to make engineering assessments of the feasibility of transporting FGE and FGE blends in existing pipelines. The transportation may be in a dedicated pipeline or in a batching mode, 2) Identify ethanol blends that can be transported in existing pipelines without significant modification of the system and operations (Case 1), blends that require significant modifications (Case 2), and blends that cannot be transported in existing pipelines, but could be moved in specially designed systems (Case 3); and, 3) characterize the time to initiation of SCC in a range of potent ethanol environments and identify safe operating and or batching practices that prevent the initiation and growth of SCC.

    http://prci.org/index.php/site/projects_single/determine_the_requirements_for_existing_systems_to_transport_ethanol_withou/

  101. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #50 Shannon: Nice article, thanks.

  102. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #50 Shannon: Nice article, thanks.

  103. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    That said, there are several chemical grade ethanol pipelines in use now. That’s likely the only thing they carry, so they would have been engineered with the necessary materials, etc.

  104. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    That said, there are several chemical grade ethanol pipelines in use now. That’s likely the only thing they carry, so they would have been engineered with the necessary materials, etc.

  105. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #52 Pyro
    bee engineered, huh?

    Aw rats, you corrected it already. Spoilsport.
    🙂

  106. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #52 Pyro
    bee engineered, huh?
    Aw rats, you corrected it already. Spoilsport.
    🙂

  107. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Yes, ethanol-only pipelines.
    But for now fuel grade ethanol must be transported by truck to blending stations near distributors and retailers at the end of the distribution system.

  108. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Yes, ethanol-only pipelines.
    But for now fuel grade ethanol must be transported by truck to blending stations near distributors and retailers at the end of the distribution system.

  109. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Well, friends and couch critters, I am off to see the spine snapper; we’re gonna trade services. He does not know I am coming yet.

  110. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Well, friends and couch critters, I am off to see the spine snapper; we’re gonna trade services. He does not know I am coming yet.

  111. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    There are two Jim Messinas. One is a former member of Buffalo Springfield, Poco, and the ’70s soft-rock duo Loggins and Messina. (Yes, that’s Loggins as in Kenny). The other is Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, a hard-nosed operator who gets nostalgic about “how bad a campaign office smells at midnight.” The similarities pretty much end with their names.

    However, when it comes to their opening lines, it can be hard to tell the two Jim Messinas apart.

    Here’s the challenge: Half of the titles in this quiz are actual subject lines of emails sent by Jim Messina (the campaign manager one) to Obama supporters. The other half are titles of songs by Loggins and Messina. Can you tell which are which?

    I got an 83% only because I know a lot of Loggins & Messina songs.

  112. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    There are two Jim Messinas. One is a former member of Buffalo Springfield, Poco, and the ’70s soft-rock duo Loggins and Messina. (Yes, that’s Loggins as in Kenny). The other is Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, a hard-nosed operator who gets nostalgic about “how bad a campaign office smells at midnight.” The similarities pretty much end with their names.
    However, when it comes to their opening lines, it can be hard to tell the two Jim Messinas apart.
    Here’s the challenge: Half of the titles in this quiz are actual subject lines of emails sent by Jim Messina (the campaign manager one) to Obama supporters. The other half are titles of songs by Loggins and Messina. Can you tell which are which?

    I got an 83% only because I know a lot of Loggins & Messina songs.

  113. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Dang. Messina the “rocker” was borderline poofter and Messina the political hack looks part vampire.

  114. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Dang. Messina the “rocker” was borderline poofter and Messina the political hack looks part vampire.

  115. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    That was ’60-era Buffalo Springfield. They all looked like poofters back then. Now he just looks like somebody’s old rocker grandfather.

  116. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    That was ’60-era Buffalo Springfield. They all looked like poofters back then. Now he just looks like somebody’s old rocker grandfather.

  117. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Why has getting a driver license turned into one monumental hassle?

    When I got my first license, I went down to Napa (CA), took a test, and got my permit. Total time investment – 2hr (including 45min one-way commute). Six months later, drive down to Napa, hang out for a little while, go for a quick ride with the nice CHP officer, get license. Time investment – maybe 3 hours, including commute.

    Howling Wolf is trying to get his license now. He has to have his permit (natch), a VOE (verification of enrollment) for some reason, and his actual Social Security card (not just his number, and there is a small amount of dispute of this), plus wait in line at the DPS office for at least 4 hours just to get an appointment to come back another day to take the driving test. What is the dang deal?

    I had to get my picture taken for my renewal last year and had to wait four hours. Why?

    Any of you people have any insight into which license offices have the shortest wait times, when the best time to go is, hints on gaming the system in one’s favor?

  118. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Why has getting a driver license turned into one monumental hassle?
    When I got my first license, I went down to Napa (CA), took a test, and got my permit. Total time investment – 2hr (including 45min one-way commute). Six months later, drive down to Napa, hang out for a little while, go for a quick ride with the nice CHP officer, get license. Time investment – maybe 3 hours, including commute.
    Howling Wolf is trying to get his license now. He has to have his permit (natch), a VOE (verification of enrollment) for some reason, and his actual Social Security card (not just his number, and there is a small amount of dispute of this), plus wait in line at the DPS office for at least 4 hours just to get an appointment to come back another day to take the driving test. What is the dang deal?
    I had to get my picture taken for my renewal last year and had to wait four hours. Why?
    Any of you people have any insight into which license offices have the shortest wait times, when the best time to go is, hints on gaming the system in one’s favor?

  119. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    58
    Nice walk down memory lane.
    You sure lose a lot listening on a darn phone.

  120. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    58
    Nice walk down memory lane.
    You sure lose a lot listening on a darn phone.

  121. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Why has getting a driver license turned into one monumental hassle?

    Heh. You should try living inside the loop. We’re disenfranchised!

    Any of you people have any insight into which license offices have the shortest wait times, when the best time to go is, hints on gaming the system in one’s favor?

    The one on Mangum (or Dacoma?) has always been relatively painless for me. It’s been a while but I don’t remember spending more than one hour last time I had to go in for a renewal.

  122. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Why has getting a driver license turned into one monumental hassle?

    Heh. You should try living inside the loop. We’re disenfranchised!

    Any of you people have any insight into which license offices have the shortest wait times, when the best time to go is, hints on gaming the system in one’s favor?

    The one on Mangum (or Dacoma?) has always been relatively painless for me. It’s been a while but I don’t remember spending more than one hour last time I had to go in for a renewal.

  123. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #19;

    And getting back to EPA guestimations. in optimal driving conditions has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

    Normally my ’97 Corrolla gets about 28 MPG city driving. It goes to around 30 (32 at best) in the highway. I just put in new spark plugs and have not kept track of the milage since their replacement.

  124. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #19;

    And getting back to EPA guestimations. in optimal driving conditions has anyone here ever gotten the guestimated milage for their vehicle?

    Normally my ’97 Corrolla gets about 28 MPG city driving. It goes to around 30 (32 at best) in the highway. I just put in new spark plugs and have not kept track of the milage since their replacement.

  125. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #59 WB

    Take a nice drive up to Brenham. Office is right on 290, eastbound side. I was in and out of there renewing my TDL with photo in about 12 minutes a few years ago.

  126. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #59 WB
    Take a nice drive up to Brenham. Office is right on 290, eastbound side. I was in and out of there renewing my TDL with photo in about 12 minutes a few years ago.

  127. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My ’97 Corrolla is, by the way, the best car on the market.

    That’ll be the kind where it’s all paid for. I haven’t owed a car payment on it for about 8 years.

  128. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My ’97 Corrolla is, by the way, the best car on the market.
    That’ll be the kind where it’s all paid for. I haven’t owed a car payment on it for about 8 years.

  129. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #42;

    Hey, I check back at lunch and none of you men took any umbrage (or maybe even noticed) the issue #4, #11 about men flaking out for the night with no attempt to shut things down around the house.

    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

    ¡Que viva los hombres de la señora Tedtam!

    (Probably not what you wanted to hear 🙂 )

  130. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #42;

    Hey, I check back at lunch and none of you men took any umbrage (or maybe even noticed) the issue #4, #11 about men flaking out for the night with no attempt to shut things down around the house.
    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

    ¡Que viva los hombres de la señora Tedtam!
    (Probably not what you wanted to hear 🙂 )

  131. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #58 An excellent selection.

  132. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #58 An excellent selection.

  133. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    M42:

    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

    That kinda crapola doesn’t happen here at La Casa Bonecrusher, I have her trained much better than that.

  134. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    M42:

    Whatcha got to say for yourselves?

    That kinda crapola doesn’t happen here at La Casa Bonecrusher, I have her trained much better than that.

  135. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Okay mharp.
    Yes, I leave dirty dishes in the sink sometimes.
    But I don’t leave out perfectly good food.

  136. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Okay mharp.
    Yes, I leave dirty dishes in the sink sometimes.
    But I don’t leave out perfectly good food.

  137. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #59 Wagonburner, your offspring are required by state law to show proof of enrollment because a bunch of Texas legislators “thought” (using the term loosely considering their below average cerebral capabilities) that inconveniencing everyone in such a manner would improve high school graduation stats. It didn’t. They were wrong, and the stupid laws the idiots passed still exist.

    The lege also made it difficult for a parent to “self-teach” their offspring how to drive because the driving school lobby enjoys a “compelled” customer base. I taught both of mine how to drive. My older daughter reported that the driving classes were a “totally scary waste of time, man!” So I jumped through the hoops for younger daughter, and estimate the completely unnecessary state mandated time wasted to be about 8 hours + postage, in addition to the much more productive time spent as her co-pilot (frequently searching for the imaginary brake pedal on the passenger side.)

    My license expired in April and I couldn’t renew online because the pic was too old. I got there at 9 and was out at 12:30. I liked the old pic better. Although it was much shorter, overall I had more hair back then.

    TIP:
    Make a photocopy of your current license! Armed with your TDL# and the black ‘tracking’ number printed next to your photo, if you ever misplace the license, you can get a replacement via the DPS website.

  138. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #59 Wagonburner, your offspring are required by state law to show proof of enrollment because a bunch of Texas legislators “thought” (using the term loosely considering their below average cerebral capabilities) that inconveniencing everyone in such a manner would improve high school graduation stats. It didn’t. They were wrong, and the stupid laws the idiots passed still exist.
    The lege also made it difficult for a parent to “self-teach” their offspring how to drive because the driving school lobby enjoys a “compelled” customer base. I taught both of mine how to drive. My older daughter reported that the driving classes were a “totally scary waste of time, man!” So I jumped through the hoops for younger daughter, and estimate the completely unnecessary state mandated time wasted to be about 8 hours + postage, in addition to the much more productive time spent as her co-pilot (frequently searching for the imaginary brake pedal on the passenger side.)
    My license expired in April and I couldn’t renew online because the pic was too old. I got there at 9 and was out at 12:30. I liked the old pic better. Although it was much shorter, overall I had more hair back then.
    TIP:
    Make a photocopy of your current license! Armed with your TDL# and the black ‘tracking’ number printed next to your photo, if you ever misplace the license, you can get a replacement via the DPS website.

  139. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    63 Texpat

    Same old dyke still runs the place.

  140. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    63 Texpat
    Same old dyke still runs the place.

  141. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I was wondering why I was limping more than usual. I just realized today marks the 33rd anniversary of the wrestling match my Kawasaki KZ 750 and I had (and lost) with an evil hit-and-run woman and her Buick Deuce-and-a-Quarter.

  142. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I was wondering why I was limping more than usual. I just realized today marks the 33rd anniversary of the wrestling match my Kawasaki KZ 750 and I had (and lost) with an evil hit-and-run woman and her Buick Deuce-and-a-Quarter.

  143. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #71: I know how to fix the limp, as long as there ain’t a bone shorter as a result of the accident.

  144. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #71: I know how to fix the limp, as long as there ain’t a bone shorter as a result of the accident.

  145. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I had my limp fixed once.

    Just outside the gate at Fort Sill.

    Cost me twenny bucks.

  146. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I had my limp fixed once.
    Just outside the gate at Fort Sill.
    Cost me twenny bucks.

  147. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    When I fix it the clothes stay on ya pervy sob.

  148. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    When I fix it the clothes stay on ya pervy sob.

  149. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    …as long as there ain’t a bone shorter as a result of the accident.

    That’s the problem. Right fibula is shorter.

  150. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    …as long as there ain’t a bone shorter as a result of the accident.

    That’s the problem. Right fibula is shorter.

  151. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Just don’t go to ST’s Dr. With those guys there’s only one cure to a leg ailment.

  152. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Just don’t go to ST’s Dr. With those guys there’s only one cure to a leg ailment.

  153. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Right fibula is shorter

    That why you always run around in circles?

  154. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Right fibula is shorter

    That why you always run around in circles?

  155. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    77
    Yabbut he’s quick on a skateboard.

  156. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    77
    Yabbut he’s quick on a skateboard.

  157. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #59 Pyro
    Don’t go to the one just outside the North Loop. It’s full of vunnables and old folks on walkers trying to get their photo ID. 3 hours wait for sure.

    Should have read further down, since Hammy endorses that location.

  158. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #59 Pyro
    Don’t go to the one just outside the North Loop. It’s full of vunnables and old folks on walkers trying to get their photo ID. 3 hours wait for sure.
    Should have read further down, since Hammy endorses that location.

  159. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #75 That is not near as much a problem to overcome as it would be ifn it were the tibia. We are talking about the fibula, the smaller bone on the outside of your lower leg, correct? If yes, you should know that if you keep the leg strong the fibula is not as important. Don’t think that I am suggesting that it is not an important part of the OE design, because it is. What I am saying is that with some therapy and strengthening, the damage to that bone does not have to be debilitating. It is important that you keep up with this because if you do not, the left knee, then the right hip then the left lower rib areas will all start to give you grief, and the chain stops in your head. It is to your advantage to treat it frequently and keep it a little problem instead of a big one.

  160. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #75 That is not near as much a problem to overcome as it would be ifn it were the tibia. We are talking about the fibula, the smaller bone on the outside of your lower leg, correct? If yes, you should know that if you keep the leg strong the fibula is not as important. Don’t think that I am suggesting that it is not an important part of the OE design, because it is. What I am saying is that with some therapy and strengthening, the damage to that bone does not have to be debilitating. It is important that you keep up with this because if you do not, the left knee, then the right hip then the left lower rib areas will all start to give you grief, and the chain stops in your head. It is to your advantage to treat it frequently and keep it a little problem instead of a big one.

  161. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Sarge has so many pleasant memories of his time at Fort Sill.

  162. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Sarge has so many pleasant memories of his time at Fort Sill.

  163. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Anyone tried the location near I-10 & BW-8?

  164. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Anyone tried the location near I-10 & BW-8?

  165. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #82 They do not do driving tests there, I had to go through the same drill with my son Headcrusher. I suggest making a road trip and head out to see Shannon’s dyke in Brenham. To add insult to injury, they make you go back at 17 and then again at 18 for new pictures/additional fees.
    I suggest that the funds that were collected in gasoline taxes, citations, etc, were misappropriated and that is why there seems to be never enough people to handle the work load. That and the fact that they are govt employees and you have to have a license so they really don’t give a schizzle if you have to wait or not. I think they get off on the power trip.

  166. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #82 They do not do driving tests there, I had to go through the same drill with my son Headcrusher. I suggest making a road trip and head out to see Shannon’s dyke in Brenham. To add insult to injury, they make you go back at 17 and then again at 18 for new pictures/additional fees.
    I suggest that the funds that were collected in gasoline taxes, citations, etc, were misappropriated and that is why there seems to be never enough people to handle the work load. That and the fact that they are govt employees and you have to have a license so they really don’t give a schizzle if you have to wait or not. I think they get off on the power trip.

  167. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Great day today. Just got delivery from my Dad of the log books he got from the Appalachian Trail shelters he’d visit. Seven 80 page notebooks, written each side. He includes the story of how he had a run-in with a wierdo on thre trail who stalked him for a while. First and only time he brought his pistol with him, and a good thing he did. He got the guy to back down (long story). a couple days later two women were murdered on the trail. When they caught the guy, Dad recognized his picture when they put it in the paper.

    Got a lot of reading to do, then send them off to the Appalachian Trail Museum where they will be scanned and put on the web.

  168. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Great day today. Just got delivery from my Dad of the log books he got from the Appalachian Trail shelters he’d visit. Seven 80 page notebooks, written each side. He includes the story of how he had a run-in with a wierdo on thre trail who stalked him for a while. First and only time he brought his pistol with him, and a good thing he did. He got the guy to back down (long story). a couple days later two women were murdered on the trail. When they caught the guy, Dad recognized his picture when they put it in the paper.
    Got a lot of reading to do, then send them off to the Appalachian Trail Museum where they will be scanned and put on the web.

  169. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #82 WB:

    I’ve been to that office. DON’T go early in the morning. You’ll have a 4 hr wait for sure. I’t not bad in the early afternoon.

    If you’re down that way the Webster office isn’t too bad at all.

  170. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #82 WB:
    I’ve been to that office. DON’T go early in the morning. You’ll have a 4 hr wait for sure. I’t not bad in the early afternoon.
    If you’re down that way the Webster office isn’t too bad at all.

  171. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Texas man administers swift justice to child rapist.

    HEADLINE: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter
    A Texas father caught a man sexually assaulting his 4-year-old daughter and punched him in the head repeatedly, killing him, authorities said.

    I heard about this on the radio, and the sheriff stated that he seriously doubted that he would have to arrest the man and that he doubted that the grand jury would choose to charge him.

  172. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Texas man administers swift justice to child rapist.

    HEADLINE: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter
    A Texas father caught a man sexually assaulting his 4-year-old daughter and punched him in the head repeatedly, killing him, authorities said.

    I heard about this on the radio, and the sheriff stated that he seriously doubted that he would have to arrest the man and that he doubted that the grand jury would choose to charge him.

  173. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #56 Hambone;

    Hope you enjoyed the quiz! Your score report is presented below.
    Your Score
    Name Dave
    Your Score
    50 out of 120 points
    Answered Correctly
    5 Questions
    Answered Incorrectly
    7 Questions % Your Score 42 %
    Your Result
    Fail

    😀
    FWIW: I have NO IDEA who/what this was all about!?

  174. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #56 Hambone;

    Hope you enjoyed the quiz! Your score report is presented below.
    Your Score
    Name Dave
    Your Score
    50 out of 120 points
    Answered Correctly
    5 Questions
    Answered Incorrectly
    7 Questions % Your Score 42 %
    Your Result
    Fail

    😀
    FWIW: I have NO IDEA who/what this was all about!?

  175. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    My ’97 Corrolla is, by the way, the best car on the market.

    My condolences. 🙁

  176. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    My ’97 Corrolla is, by the way, the best car on the market.

    My condolences. 🙁

  177. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #80 – I’ve lived with it for 33 years. Periodically it aches really bad, about twice a year on average. Every few years it just “quits” and I fall down. That seems to be an instantaneous phenomenon that goes away as quickly as it came. About 20 years ago I talked to an orthopedic surgeon who said they can go in and re-break it to help but I rejected that suggestion. I was the hospital for a month and a cast for a year to begin with. Nothing I’ve suffered with over the years is bad enough to go through another surgery.

    One of the worst things is I have no tactile sensation from the knee down. Consequently I’ve received a couple of really nasty burns as a result of standing next to a camp fire or leaning against something hot. That doesn’t happen anymore because, if you were to ever see me standing by a fire, I ALWAYS have my left leg closer to the fire than my right leg. I’ve also determined that I can sustain at least 563 fire ant bites with no lasting effects to my health. Didn’t realize my right foot was in an ant bed until they made it over to my left foot and bit it. Looked like I had smallpox.

  178. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #80 – I’ve lived with it for 33 years. Periodically it aches really bad, about twice a year on average. Every few years it just “quits” and I fall down. That seems to be an instantaneous phenomenon that goes away as quickly as it came. About 20 years ago I talked to an orthopedic surgeon who said they can go in and re-break it to help but I rejected that suggestion. I was the hospital for a month and a cast for a year to begin with. Nothing I’ve suffered with over the years is bad enough to go through another surgery.
    One of the worst things is I have no tactile sensation from the knee down. Consequently I’ve received a couple of really nasty burns as a result of standing next to a camp fire or leaning against something hot. That doesn’t happen anymore because, if you were to ever see me standing by a fire, I ALWAYS have my left leg closer to the fire than my right leg. I’ve also determined that I can sustain at least 563 fire ant bites with no lasting effects to my health. Didn’t realize my right foot was in an ant bed until they made it over to my left foot and bit it. Looked like I had smallpox.

  179. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    ‘Bout the driving test, and Bob touched on it in his #69, you may or not know this BUTT a 16 year old doesn’t have to know how to drive to get a TEXAS Drivers License!! Apparently, the Driving School lobby and the fact that the state need to save money the state of Texas decided that if your youngster went to a drivers ed school, they DIDN’T have to take the driving test sitting beside a State Trooper!! Then the home schoolers complained that they should be able to teach their own kids to drive so thay passed a law that you could get the curriculum from the state, record time spent on the courses and log the hands on driving and then sent it to the state and go down a take the written test and they get their license!!
    That said; We did this for both our kids and I’m not sure that daughter (oldest) could have passed the driving test, the boy 3 1/2 years younger didn’t need any instruction because he was driving at 12, around the deer lease in the old CJ-5.
    I guess that I should add that neither one of them has EVER had a car wreck! One is 23 1/2 the other is 27.

  180. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    ‘Bout the driving test, and Bob touched on it in his #69, you may or not know this BUTT a 16 year old doesn’t have to know how to drive to get a TEXAS Drivers License!! Apparently, the Driving School lobby and the fact that the state need to save money the state of Texas decided that if your youngster went to a drivers ed school, they DIDN’T have to take the driving test sitting beside a State Trooper!! Then the home schoolers complained that they should be able to teach their own kids to drive so thay passed a law that you could get the curriculum from the state, record time spent on the courses and log the hands on driving and then sent it to the state and go down a take the written test and they get their license!!
    That said; We did this for both our kids and I’m not sure that daughter (oldest) could have passed the driving test, the boy 3 1/2 years younger didn’t need any instruction because he was driving at 12, around the deer lease in the old CJ-5.
    I guess that I should add that neither one of them has EVER had a car wreck! One is 23 1/2 the other is 27.

  181. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Oh and I took my driving test in a 66 Chrysler and the old State trooper made me parallel park on Broad street in the little town that I’m from, remember you don’t “Park” a 66 Chrysler, you “Moor it” He even found a spot that had cars on both ends so I HAD to do it right! After I passed and was less a little nervous, I asked him if I’d have failed if I couldn’t parallel park, he just smiled and said, yes. 😉

  182. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Oh and I took my driving test in a 66 Chrysler and the old State trooper made me parallel park on Broad street in the little town that I’m from, remember you don’t “Park” a 66 Chrysler, you “Moor it” He even found a spot that had cars on both ends so I HAD to do it right! After I passed and was less a little nervous, I asked him if I’d have failed if I couldn’t parallel park, he just smiled and said, yes. 😉

  183. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    When a guy building a California vacation mansion with a car elevator for his wife’s two Cadillacs calls you “out of touch” — and no one laughs — you know you are in trouble.

  184. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    When a guy building a California vacation mansion with a car elevator for his wife’s two Cadillacs calls you “out of touch” — and no one laughs — you know you are in trouble.

  185. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #59 – No matter WHICH office – only one way to do it (IMHO) – be there at their door a MINIMUM of 1 full hour before they open with your coffee and a magazine to read……………..if you aint first you’ll be darn close to first

    Same axiom at Discount Tire on a Saturday morning (even with a prior appointment)

    I was there at 0645 for an 0800 appt – I WAS FIRST and I was driving out of their driveway with 5 new tires at 0824

  186. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #59 – No matter WHICH office – only one way to do it (IMHO) – be there at their door a MINIMUM of 1 full hour before they open with your coffee and a magazine to read……………..if you aint first you’ll be darn close to first
    Same axiom at Discount Tire on a Saturday morning (even with a prior appointment)
    I was there at 0645 for an 0800 appt – I WAS FIRST and I was driving out of their driveway with 5 new tires at 0824

  187. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #93 KatFish, just out of curiosity which Discount Tire Store was it?

  188. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #93 KatFish, just out of curiosity which Discount Tire Store was it?

  189. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #93 katfish
    Or…

    You make nice with the local Goodyear dude. Roll in about 9:00. Home by 9:15.

    He brings you home, you get Mrs. katfish to drop you off around 4:00 to pick up you car. No muss, no fuss.

  190. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #93 katfish
    Or…
    You make nice with the local Goodyear dude. Roll in about 9:00. Home by 9:15.
    He brings you home, you get Mrs. katfish to drop you off around 4:00 to pick up you car. No muss, no fuss.

  191. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #93 – SD the one just east of Mason Rd on I-10 (less than a mile from Chez Katfish)

  192. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #93 – SD the one just east of Mason Rd on I-10 (less than a mile from Chez Katfish)

  193. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #95 – I say screw the dude at the counter – I took 1.5 dozen Shipleys dognuts to the CREW that was in the garage

    p.s. there is NO Mrs Katfish here currently…………

  194. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #95 – I say screw the dude at the counter – I took 1.5 dozen Shipleys dognuts to the CREW that was in the garage
    p.s. there is NO Mrs Katfish here currently…………

  195. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Psssst, Darren. Don’t mind him, he’s a Toyota hater.

  196. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Psssst, Darren. Don’t mind him, he’s a Toyota hater.

  197. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #97 katfish
    Counter guy???

    I deal with the dude who owns the place. I’ve also made nice with most of the guys in the shop – gotta hedge your bets.

    re: Mrs. katfish (or lack thereof) – I shoulda knew that.

  198. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #97 katfish
    Counter guy???
    I deal with the dude who owns the place. I’ve also made nice with most of the guys in the shop – gotta hedge your bets.
    re: Mrs. katfish (or lack thereof) – I shoulda knew that.

  199. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Dude sues restaurant over steamed oysters.

  200. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Dude sues restaurant over steamed oysters.

  201. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Injuries…a la Hamous

    Last fall , Her Highness’ son was getting married and she insisted I buy a new suit since she spent some small treasure on dresses, purses and shoes. I rebelled but ended up buying one at the last minute.

    So I take it to my local Croatian, Milan, Italy-trained tailor on a Thursday afternoon. He measures, marks and chalks up the coat, pants and vest. Early Saturday morning I get an urgent call from said tailor who says I have to come down to his shop.

    There is something wrong.

    I call to say I am coming down and he meets me at the door with my suit pants in his hands. The tailor orders me to put the pants on and stand on his platform. He measures and measures and shakes his head.

    The man said your left leg is almost an 1.5 inches shorter than your right. He said I’ve been doing this for 40 years and never seen this before. Maybe 1/2″, 3/4″, 1 “, but never 1-3/8” difference.

    So I started to tell him about the time in 2000 when I fell off my friend’s roof off of Grant Road in Houston. Twelve feet straight down to the old redwood deck, standing striaght up, landing on one foot…compound ankle and foot fracture. Really bad.

    Twelve years and it still hurts every single morning and does nothing for my back since I walk like the Crooked Old Man.

  202. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Injuries…a la Hamous
    Last fall , Her Highness’ son was getting married and she insisted I buy a new suit since she spent some small treasure on dresses, purses and shoes. I rebelled but ended up buying one at the last minute.
    So I take it to my local Croatian, Milan, Italy-trained tailor on a Thursday afternoon. He measures, marks and chalks up the coat, pants and vest. Early Saturday morning I get an urgent call from said tailor who says I have to come down to his shop.
    There is something wrong.
    I call to say I am coming down and he meets me at the door with my suit pants in his hands. The tailor orders me to put the pants on and stand on his platform. He measures and measures and shakes his head.
    The man said your left leg is almost an 1.5 inches shorter than your right. He said I’ve been doing this for 40 years and never seen this before. Maybe 1/2″, 3/4″, 1 “, but never 1-3/8” difference.
    So I started to tell him about the time in 2000 when I fell off my friend’s roof off of Grant Road in Houston. Twelve feet straight down to the old redwood deck, standing striaght up, landing on one foot…compound ankle and foot fracture. Really bad.
    Twelve years and it still hurts every single morning and does nothing for my back since I walk like the Crooked Old Man.

  203. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Texpat, you are lucky to be alive after a fall like that. Hope your wife keeps you off of roofs and ladders now.

  204. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Texpat, you are lucky to be alive after a fall like that. Hope your wife keeps you off of roofs and ladders now.

  205. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Dang, I’ve been lucky,…I guess, I’m 58 and growing up I’ve had quite a few bicycle wrecks, been launched to the moon many times by several different horses, some that I broke, some not, I’ve only had two motorcycle wrecks, that were minor, BTW, but I’ve never broke anything…..Knock on wood, (Dave knocks on his head) . 😉

  206. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Dang, I’ve been lucky,…I guess, I’m 58 and growing up I’ve had quite a few bicycle wrecks, been launched to the moon many times by several different horses, some that I broke, some not, I’ve only had two motorcycle wrecks, that were minor, BTW, but I’ve never broke anything…..Knock on wood, (Dave knocks on his head) . 😉

  207. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    I have always had great luck at the Richmond DPS office around mid morning. In/out in less than an hour.

    I am like SuperDave, in that I have never broken a bone. I had several horrendous bicycle accidents growing up, but no lasting injuries. I even pruned my two 25′ tall live oaks this past weekend and survived.

  208. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    I have always had great luck at the Richmond DPS office around mid morning. In/out in less than an hour.
    I am like SuperDave, in that I have never broken a bone. I had several horrendous bicycle accidents growing up, but no lasting injuries. I even pruned my two 25′ tall live oaks this past weekend and survived.

  209. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Pyro re my #83: That office at 290 near Belt 8 does not do driving tests; don’t know about the other one. Sorry for the mix up.

  210. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Pyro re my #83: That office at 290 near Belt 8 does not do driving tests; don’t know about the other one. Sorry for the mix up.

  211. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Oh, and I left out that time when I was about 12 and jumped sailed out of an old post oak tree after I decided that the coon that I was trying to nudge out with a pole wasn’t going to cooperate, ya see, he thought it was HIS tree and discretion being the better part of valor, I gave him the post oak. BTW; one Redbone, two Blueticks, and three Walker Dogs broke my fall, scared the crap outta’ them! Biggest coon that they’d ever seen. 😉
    After all these years it still always reminds me of Jerry Clower.

  212. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Oh, and I left out that time when I was about 12 and jumped sailed out of an old post oak tree after I decided that the coon that I was trying to nudge out with a pole wasn’t going to cooperate, ya see, he thought it was HIS tree and discretion being the better part of valor, I gave him the post oak. BTW; one Redbone, two Blueticks, and three Walker Dogs broke my fall, scared the crap outta’ them! Biggest coon that they’d ever seen. 😉
    After all these years it still always reminds me of Jerry Clower.

  213. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I used to jump off the roof as a kid just for the fun of it. I broke my right ulna (lower arm inside bone with the palm up) in a bicycle accident at about 13 or so. I set it myself because I didn’t want to get into trouble. Broken ribs 3 times, all on the left side, first was a car wreck other two was in karate practice. I have fallen out of trees, wrecked many bicycles and cars but never got hurt except for above. My guardian angel worked overtime protecting me as a kid and young adult. Thank you Abba.

  214. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I used to jump off the roof as a kid just for the fun of it. I broke my right ulna (lower arm inside bone with the palm up) in a bicycle accident at about 13 or so. I set it myself because I didn’t want to get into trouble. Broken ribs 3 times, all on the left side, first was a car wreck other two was in karate practice. I have fallen out of trees, wrecked many bicycles and cars but never got hurt except for above. My guardian angel worked overtime protecting me as a kid and young adult. Thank you Abba.

  215. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Lots of bangs, bruises, sprains, lacerations and contusions from cattle and horses, especially horses, when I was boy.

    Both feet received compound fractures, one foot twice, as a teenager breaking and training horses.

    They never go away. Like bad, mean, old girlfriends, those memories come creeping back in the early morning first light.

  216. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Lots of bangs, bruises, sprains, lacerations and contusions from cattle and horses, especially horses, when I was boy.
    Both feet received compound fractures, one foot twice, as a teenager breaking and training horses.
    They never go away. Like bad, mean, old girlfriends, those memories come creeping back in the early morning first light.

  217. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #106 dave
    So which one were you, Ardel, Burnel, Raynel, W.L., Lanel, Odel, Marcel, Newgene, Claude, or Clovis?

  218. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #106 dave
    So which one were you, Ardel, Burnel, Raynel, W.L., Lanel, Odel, Marcel, Newgene, Claude, or Clovis?

  219. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Like bad, mean, old girlfriends, those memories come creeping back

    Well if you woulda just put the dishes away, ….

  220. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Like bad, mean, old girlfriends, those memories come creeping back

    Well if you woulda just put the dishes away, ….

  221. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    … and made a sammich and a beer.

  222. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    … and made a sammich and a beer.

  223. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Oh, forgot to give credit. Funniest comment of the year WB (RE: your #43). Just don’t let it go to your feathers.

  224. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Oh, forgot to give credit. Funniest comment of the year WB (RE: your #43). Just don’t let it go to your feathers.

  225. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    The Mrs. on the other hand played varsity tennis and to this day old injuries plague her with pain. Wrists, feet, and ankles tend to give her the most grief especially the latter two. It is a shame because I really enjoy walking and hiking. She will walk with me,but she is not too fond of hiking on rough, uneven surfaces. One misplaced foot can mean weeks of pain if something goes awry.

  226. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    The Mrs. on the other hand played varsity tennis and to this day old injuries plague her with pain. Wrists, feet, and ankles tend to give her the most grief especially the latter two. It is a shame because I really enjoy walking and hiking. She will walk with me,but she is not too fond of hiking on rough, uneven surfaces. One misplaced foot can mean weeks of pain if something goes awry.

  227. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #112 Tim
    Ya mean that snipe about noise & sammiches? Yep, it was funny. Pyro is a very funny man.

  228. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #112 Tim
    Ya mean that snipe about noise & sammiches? Yep, it was funny. Pyro is a very funny man.

  229. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    You funny man!

  230. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    You funny man!

  231. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #102

    Hope your wife keeps you off of roofs and ladders…

    She tries and doesn’t have to try very hard to get me to cooperate.

    At some late or later point in your life, you get tired of hurting.

  232. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #102

    Hope your wife keeps you off of roofs and ladders…

    She tries and doesn’t have to try very hard to get me to cooperate.
    At some late or later point in your life, you get tired of hurting.

  233. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    #113
    TexMo

    You mean the Tennis bosses didn’t warn her about that? She should start a class action!

  234. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #113
    TexMo
    You mean the Tennis bosses didn’t warn her about that? She should start a class action!

  235. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #110 GJT

    Well if you woulda just put the dishes away, ….

    Just thank G-d you didn’t know some of the women I crossed paths with a long time ago.

    I met the ghost of Marie LaVeau….

  236. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #110 GJT

    Well if you woulda just put the dishes away, ….

    Just thank G-d you didn’t know some of the women I crossed paths with a long time ago.
    I met the ghost of Marie LaVeau….

  237. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #114 mh42
    Careful what you ask for.

    Because someone might give it to you. 😉

  238. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #114 mh42
    Careful what you ask for.
    Because someone might give it to you. 😉

  239. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    It never occurred to me that you could make it funny. My mistake.
    🙂

  240. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    It never occurred to me that you could make it funny. My mistake.
    🙂

  241. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Why has getting a driver license turned into one monumental hassle?

    Nah, swim back to the bottom of the barrel little fishie ………………

  242. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Why has getting a driver license turned into one monumental hassle?

    Nah, swim back to the bottom of the barrel little fishie ………………

  243. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #113 TexMo

    She will walk with me,but she is not too fond of hiking on rough, uneven surfaces. One misplaced foot can mean weeks of pain if something goes awry.

    That is why swimming is the only real cardio exercise I can do.

    I have sympathy, seriously, for your wife.

  244. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #113 TexMo

    She will walk with me,but she is not too fond of hiking on rough, uneven surfaces. One misplaced foot can mean weeks of pain if something goes awry.

    That is why swimming is the only real cardio exercise I can do.
    I have sympathy, seriously, for your wife.

  245. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    wagonburner

    06 dave
    So which one were you, Ardel, Burnel, Raynel, W.L., Lanel, Odel, Marcel, Newgene, Claude, or Clovis?
    “John Eubanks” Of course! 😉
    Y’all may or may not believe it, but I’ve been there done that!

  246. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    wagonburner

    06 dave
    So which one were you, Ardel, Burnel, Raynel, W.L., Lanel, Odel, Marcel, Newgene, Claude, or Clovis?
    “John Eubanks” Of course! 😉
    Y’all may or may not believe it, but I’ve been there done that!

  247. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    This may have been posted before ………..
    Now if this was on velvet, they may have something.

    Reminds me of another painting of a Teutonic Twit …………………

  248. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    This may have been posted before ………..
    Now if this was on velvet, they may have something.
    Reminds me of another painting of a Teutonic Twit …………………

  249. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Sam Drucker (Frank Cady) has passed on ……………….

    Folks may recall he ran the General Store in Hootersville ………..

  250. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Sam Drucker (Frank Cady) has passed on ……………….
    Folks may recall he ran the General Store in Hootersville ………..

  251. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Any minute now I expect Jerry “The King” Lawler to come running out of the locker room, jump into the ring and pile drive one of these guys ……………….

    A New Birther Conspiracy Theory: Trump Tricked Us

  252. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Can’t be very new.
    The story is over a year old.

  253. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Can’t be very new.
    The story is over a year old.

  254. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Shimon Peres is in town to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom from the President. While here, he’s taking advantage of the opportunity to press for Johnathan Pollard’s release from an American Prison for espionage.
    They may be buds, but it’s unlikely it’s gonna happen.

  255. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Shimon Peres is in town to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom from the President. While here, he’s taking advantage of the opportunity to press for Johnathan Pollard’s release from an American Prison for espionage.
    They may be buds, but it’s unlikely it’s gonna happen.

  256. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #127 Shannon

    Whoops! Sorry, there are so many story arcs it’s difficult to keep track of them.
    Let’s try this

    Court refuses to hear ‘birther’ argument again
    The Supreme Court has refused to hear an appeal challenging President Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship and his eligibility to serve as commander in chief.

  257. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #127 Shannon
    Whoops! Sorry, there are so many story arcs it’s difficult to keep track of them.
    Let’s try this

    Court refuses to hear ‘birther’ argument again
    The Supreme Court has refused to hear an appeal challenging President Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship and his eligibility to serve as commander in chief.

  258. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Saudis are going to the mat to keep oil prices low.
    One of the few things they are actually concerned about is a reduction in demand for their product. With the demonstrated American resolve on reduced dependence on foreign oil, by lowering the price they hope to keep oil competitive.

    Saudi Arabia is on course for a showdown with fellow Opec members at this week’s meeting of the global oil cartel, after it called for a higher output target despite the recent drop in crude prices.

  259. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Saudis are going to the mat to keep oil prices low.
    One of the few things they are actually concerned about is a reduction in demand for their product. With the demonstrated American resolve on reduced dependence on foreign oil, by lowering the price they hope to keep oil competitive.

    Saudi Arabia is on course for a showdown with fellow Opec members at this week’s meeting of the global oil cartel, after it called for a higher output target despite the recent drop in crude prices.

  260. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Kings win the Stanley Cup, 6 to 1.

  261. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Kings win the Stanley Cup, 6 to 1.

  262. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    North Dekot(ians) are to vote to eliminate property tax in their state. (Bold mine):

    BISMARCK, N.D. — Since Californians shrank their property taxes more than three decades ago by passing Proposition 13, people around the nation have echoed their dismay over such levies, putting forth plans to even them, simplify them, cap them, slash them. In an election here on Tuesday, residents of North Dakota will consider a measure that reaches far beyond any of that — one that abolishes the property tax entirely.

    “I would like to be able to know that my home, no matter what happens to my income or my life, is not going to be taken away from me because I can’t pay a tax,” said Susan Beehler, one in a group of North Dakotans who have pressed for an amendment to the state’s Constitution to end the property tax. They argue that the tax is unpredictable, inconsistent, counter to the concept of property ownership and needless in a state that, thanks in part to wildly successful oil drilling, finds itself in the rare circumstance of carrying budget reserves.

    Whoohoo!!!

    I would love to see this pass and tally the affects of it. I’m all for it and have been itchin’ to see its affects at least somewhere.

    North Dakota Considers Eliminating Property Tax

  263. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    North Dekot(ians) are to vote to eliminate property tax in their state. (Bold mine):

    BISMARCK, N.D. — Since Californians shrank their property taxes more than three decades ago by passing Proposition 13, people around the nation have echoed their dismay over such levies, putting forth plans to even them, simplify them, cap them, slash them. In an election here on Tuesday, residents of North Dakota will consider a measure that reaches far beyond any of that — one that abolishes the property tax entirely.
    “I would like to be able to know that my home, no matter what happens to my income or my life, is not going to be taken away from me because I can’t pay a tax,” said Susan Beehler, one in a group of North Dakotans who have pressed for an amendment to the state’s Constitution to end the property tax. They argue that the tax is unpredictable, inconsistent, counter to the concept of property ownership and needless in a state that, thanks in part to wildly successful oil drilling, finds itself in the rare circumstance of carrying budget reserves.

    Whoohoo!!!
    I would love to see this pass and tally the affects of it. I’m all for it and have been itchin’ to see its affects at least somewhere.
    North Dakota Considers Eliminating Property Tax

  264. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    DTotD: 12 red cards in kick-happy Brazilian brawl

    Brazilians love their soccer.

  265. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    DTotD: 12 red cards in kick-happy Brazilian brawl
    Brazilians love their soccer.

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