Tuesday Duck & Cover Open Comments

I now have maybe a better understanding of sarge’s fascination with hammock camping. He’s simply practicing up for when the revolution comes.

I wonder how many people would survive a blast, but succumb to their shelter comrades after one too many arguments about whether it’s ok to squeeze the toothpaste from the middle or if you need to flatten and roll from the end?


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  1. Katfish Avatar

    What does Dr Strangelove and the original Star Wars trilogy have in common?

  2. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    What does Dr Strangelove and the original Star Wars trilogy have in common?

  3. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Bat Guano?

  4. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Bat Guano?

  5. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Two bridge hammocks, nobody is laying correctly, and with only 7′-6″ between supports, they never will. Furthermore, the nylon rope will stretch and they’ll all be laying on top of each other by morning. Just as with a fish bowl wth too many fishies in it, in two weeks, the biggest guy will have killed the others and eaten them. The guy with the glasses will be the first to go. In an end of the world scenario, you’ll need to get rid of the biggest drains on your resources. Lawyers and guys with clipboards are at the top of that list.

  6. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Two bridge hammocks, nobody is laying correctly, and with only 7′-6″ between supports, they never will. Furthermore, the nylon rope will stretch and they’ll all be laying on top of each other by morning. Just as with a fish bowl wth too many fishies in it, in two weeks, the biggest guy will have killed the others and eaten them. The guy with the glasses will be the first to go. In an end of the world scenario, you’ll need to get rid of the biggest drains on your resources. Lawyers and guys with clipboards are at the top of that list.

  7. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What does Dr Strangelove and the original Star Wars trilogy have in common?

    Bitchin special effects.

  8. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What does Dr Strangelove and the original Star Wars trilogy have in common?

    Bitchin special effects.

  9. Katfish Avatar

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you people…

  10. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you people…

  11. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    #4, Don’t forget anybody in a tunic.

  12. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    #4, Don’t forget anybody in a tunic.

  13. Katfish Avatar

    Can’t see the vid, but not likely what I had in mind.

  14. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Can’t see the vid, but not likely what I had in mind.

  15. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Don’t remember anybody riding a bomb in Star Wars, hmmm. There was a big board in one of the Star Wars, nah…

  16. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Don’t remember anybody riding a bomb in Star Wars, hmmm. There was a big board in one of the Star Wars, nah…

  17. Katfish Avatar

    Charts showing exactly why our current unemployment rate is understating how bad things are.

  18. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Charts showing exactly why our current unemployment rate is understating how bad things are.

  19. Katfish Avatar

    #9 gto
    You can’t let him see the Big Board!

  20. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #9 gto
    You can’t let him see the Big Board!

  21. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    James Earl Jones

  22. Hamous Avatar

    If anyone needed anymore evidence that the current tax code is hopelessly wissed up and needs to be completely scrapped and re-written, we have this:

    HEADLINE: Special Report: Tax time pushes some Americans to take a hike
    “‘Truth, justice, and the American way’ – it’s not enough anymore,” the comic book superhero said, after both the Iranian and American governments criticized him for joining a peaceful anti-government protest in Tehran.

    Last year, almost 1,800 people followed Superman’s lead, renouncing their U.S. citizenship or handing in their Green Cards. That’s a record number since the Internal Revenue Service began publishing a list of those who renounced in 1998. It’s also almost eight times more than the number of citizens who renounced in 2008, and more than the total for 2007, 2008 and 2009 combined.

    /SNIP

    Taxpayer complaints sometimes make their way to Nina Olson, the U.S. taxpayer advocate for the IRS, who addressed some of the international tax issues in a December report.

    “The complexity of international tax law, combined with the administrative burden placed on these taxpayers, creates an environment where taxpayers who are trying their best to comply simply cannot,” the report reads. “For some, this means paying more U.S. tax than is legally required, while others may be subject to steep civil and criminal penalties. For some U.S. taxpayers abroad, the tax requirements are so confusing and the compliance burden so great that they give up their U.S. citizenship.”

    The code is so wissed-up that US citizens living abroad opt to renounce citizenship rather than try to figure out the complexities and expense of the code. How about not taxing Americans on anything they earn outside the US if/when/until those proceeds are repatriated and even then the rate should not exceed 10% as those proceeds were already taxed where they were earned.
    The code being so bad that US citizens are choosing to renounce their birthright is self evident that it is broken and needs to be scrapped and replaced.

  23. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    If anyone needed anymore evidence that the current tax code is hopelessly wissed up and needs to be completely scrapped and re-written, we have this:

    HEADLINE: Special Report: Tax time pushes some Americans to take a hike
    “‘Truth, justice, and the American way’ – it’s not enough anymore,” the comic book superhero said, after both the Iranian and American governments criticized him for joining a peaceful anti-government protest in Tehran.
    Last year, almost 1,800 people followed Superman’s lead, renouncing their U.S. citizenship or handing in their Green Cards. That’s a record number since the Internal Revenue Service began publishing a list of those who renounced in 1998. It’s also almost eight times more than the number of citizens who renounced in 2008, and more than the total for 2007, 2008 and 2009 combined.
    /SNIP
    Taxpayer complaints sometimes make their way to Nina Olson, the U.S. taxpayer advocate for the IRS, who addressed some of the international tax issues in a December report.
    “The complexity of international tax law, combined with the administrative burden placed on these taxpayers, creates an environment where taxpayers who are trying their best to comply simply cannot,” the report reads. “For some, this means paying more U.S. tax than is legally required, while others may be subject to steep civil and criminal penalties. For some U.S. taxpayers abroad, the tax requirements are so confusing and the compliance burden so great that they give up their U.S. citizenship.”

    The code is so wissed-up that US citizens living abroad opt to renounce citizenship rather than try to figure out the complexities and expense of the code. How about not taxing Americans on anything they earn outside the US if/when/until those proceeds are repatriated and even then the rate should not exceed 10% as those proceeds were already taxed where they were earned.
    The code being so bad that US citizens are choosing to renounce their birthright is self evident that it is broken and needs to be scrapped and replaced.

  24. Katfish Avatar

    #12 hamous
    correct!
    /deep baritone

  25. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #12 hamous
    correct!
    /deep baritone

  26. Hamous Avatar

    This is very encouraging.

    Headline: New treatment for prostate cancer gives ‘perfect results’ for nine in ten men: research
    A new treatment for prostate cancer can rid the disease from nine in ten men without debilitating side effects, a study has found, leading to new hope for tens of thousands of men.

    It is hoped the new treatment, which involves heating only the tumours with a highly focused ultrasound, will mean men can be treated without an overnight stay in hospital and avoiding the distressing side effects associated with current therapies.
    A study has found that focal HIFU, high-intensity focused ultrasound, provides the ‘perfect’ outcome of no major side effects and free of cancer 12 months after treatment, in nine out of ten cases.
    Traditional surgery or radiotherapy can only provide the perfect outcome in half of cases currently.

    Another benefit is that the ultrasound is cheap to produce so the actual cost of treatment is very low by comparison. Let’s review, it does a better job at eliminating the cancer, it has very few if any side effects, it is not toxic, it is cheaper by comparison, it does not involve sugery, it is a day procedure and could likely be performed in a clinic instead of a hospital . . . . what’s not to like?

  27. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    This is very encouraging.

    Headline: New treatment for prostate cancer gives ‘perfect results’ for nine in ten men: research
    A new treatment for prostate cancer can rid the disease from nine in ten men without debilitating side effects, a study has found, leading to new hope for tens of thousands of men.

    It is hoped the new treatment, which involves heating only the tumours with a highly focused ultrasound, will mean men can be treated without an overnight stay in hospital and avoiding the distressing side effects associated with current therapies.
    A study has found that focal HIFU, high-intensity focused ultrasound, provides the ‘perfect’ outcome of no major side effects and free of cancer 12 months after treatment, in nine out of ten cases.
    Traditional surgery or radiotherapy can only provide the perfect outcome in half of cases currently.

    Another benefit is that the ultrasound is cheap to produce so the actual cost of treatment is very low by comparison. Let’s review, it does a better job at eliminating the cancer, it has very few if any side effects, it is not toxic, it is cheaper by comparison, it does not involve sugery, it is a day procedure and could likely be performed in a clinic instead of a hospital . . . . what’s not to like?

  28. Katfish Avatar

    what’s not to like?

    They’re pointing an energy weapon at your “little Florida”?

  29. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    what’s not to like?

    They’re pointing an energy weapon at your “little Florida”?

  30. Hamous Avatar

    #17: Actually a little north of “little Florida”.

    /check your email

  31. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #17: Actually a little north of “little Florida”.
    /check your email

  32. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning All

    Happy Birthday Aggies

    Legislature approves appropriation for Agricultural and Mechanical College
    April 17, 1871

    On this day in 1871, the state legislature approved a bill providing for the organization of the Texas Agricultural and Mechanical College (now Texas A&M University) and appropriating $75,000 for the construction of academic buildings and suitable accommodations. A committee selected a site near Bryan, now known as College Station, following the donation of 2,416 acres by local citizens. The college, the oldest public institution of higher education in the state, opened in October 1876 with 106 students and a faculty of six under President Thomas S. Gathright. By the year 2000, the College Station campus was the fifth-largest university in the nation, with more than 44,000 students, and the Texas A&M University System included nine schools across the state.

    (M & M candy built a packaging plant in College Station, but they had to close it down.)

    They kept throwing away all the W’s.

  33. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning All
    Happy Birthday Aggies

    Legislature approves appropriation for Agricultural and Mechanical College
    April 17, 1871
    On this day in 1871, the state legislature approved a bill providing for the organization of the Texas Agricultural and Mechanical College (now Texas A&M University) and appropriating $75,000 for the construction of academic buildings and suitable accommodations. A committee selected a site near Bryan, now known as College Station, following the donation of 2,416 acres by local citizens. The college, the oldest public institution of higher education in the state, opened in October 1876 with 106 students and a faculty of six under President Thomas S. Gathright. By the year 2000, the College Station campus was the fifth-largest university in the nation, with more than 44,000 students, and the Texas A&M University System included nine schools across the state.

    (M & M candy built a packaging plant in College Station, but they had to close it down.)
    They kept throwing away all the W’s.

  34. Katfish Avatar

    #18 bone
    Big Kentucky?

  35. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #18 bone
    Big Kentucky?

  36. Katfish Avatar

    Alert for Mexican volcano goes to “Bert”.

    It’s the third-highest level on the scale, topped only by “Ernie” and “Elmo”.

  37. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Alert for Mexican volcano goes to “Bert”.
    It’s the third-highest level on the scale, topped only by “Ernie” and “Elmo”.

  38. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    From bone:

  39. Hamous Avatar

    #20: Based on the chart down the right side they could treat hemorrhoids at the same time they do the prostate treatment. So no, they would not be aiming at the little flarda

  40. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #20: Based on the chart down the right side they could treat hemorrhoids at the same time they do the prostate treatment. So no, they would not be aiming at the little flarda

  41. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    So Cuba?

  42. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    13 Bonecrusher says:
    April 17, 2012 at 8:33 am

    If anyone needed anymore evidence that the current tax code is hopelessly wissed up and needs to be completely scrapped and re-written,

    I was in Aruba for about a year and a half in 2003 for our company. (Had to get an Aruban Green Card and everything). Our company had a “Triple Name” firm handling my overseas tax. The first year I got my tax liability back from them telling me to sign the return and attach a $15,000.00 check with it (this was over and above my withholding). I immediately got in contact with management to file a protest with IRS. IRS reviewed it and reduced it to $5,000.00. Management paid it as per our overseas agreement. The next year the accounting firm sent my form to me and told me to inclose a $10,000.00 check, $5,000.00 for this year and $5,000.00 for last year. Protest again. They dropped this years tax but said I was in arrears for last year (even though they were the one that did the review and adjustment) Company paid again. The next year (after I was finished and back in the States) Aruba sent me a tax bill for under reporting my Aruban income. Seems that IRS didn’t separate national and international income to them, so they claimed it all. Protest again.Finally got it all straight after 5 years. The U.S. tax code and it’s enforcers suck!

  43. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    13 Bonecrusher says:
    April 17, 2012 at 8:33 am
    If anyone needed anymore evidence that the current tax code is hopelessly wissed up and needs to be completely scrapped and re-written,

    I was in Aruba for about a year and a half in 2003 for our company. (Had to get an Aruban Green Card and everything). Our company had a “Triple Name” firm handling my overseas tax. The first year I got my tax liability back from them telling me to sign the return and attach a $15,000.00 check with it (this was over and above my withholding). I immediately got in contact with management to file a protest with IRS. IRS reviewed it and reduced it to $5,000.00. Management paid it as per our overseas agreement. The next year the accounting firm sent my form to me and told me to inclose a $10,000.00 check, $5,000.00 for this year and $5,000.00 for last year. Protest again. They dropped this years tax but said I was in arrears for last year (even though they were the one that did the review and adjustment) Company paid again. The next year (after I was finished and back in the States) Aruba sent me a tax bill for under reporting my Aruban income. Seems that IRS didn’t separate national and international income to them, so they claimed it all. Protest again.Finally got it all straight after 5 years. The U.S. tax code and it’s enforcers suck!

  44. bob42 Avatar

    #15 Wagonburner, your linkie almost rated a coffee spew. The remaining die hard drug warriors are increasingly becoming good for nothing but chuckles. They are the real life embodiment of Cheech & Chong’s Sgt. Stadanko character. So the college spends a ton of money spreading BPH around the quad on 4/20. The stoners push the date out a couple of weeks, and the party goes on. As the saying goes, “It’s always 4:20 somewhere!”

    Especially over the past decade there have been a series of measures in CO aimed at various degrees of cannabis prohibition reforms. These closely parallel efforts that eventually resulted in the end of alcohol prohibition. The latest measure is supported by a majority of citizens, as well as both political parties there. This is in stark contrast to similar efforts four and six years ago when the republican president dispatched (on the taxpayer dime of course) teams of professional propagandists from the ONDCP to go to Colorado and tell their same tired fear mongering lies. “States Rights?” My foot. This is the same lame authoritarian administration whose justice department wasted half a million entrapping Tommy Chong, which subsequently boosted his bottom line as an entertainer.

    What Colorado is doing is also in stark contrast to Texas’ own buffoonish drug warriors such as Dan Patrick and Lamar Smith, who would rather see your loved one suffer than use cannabis to alleviate side effects of chemotherapy. The day is not far when the only people who still support cannabis prohibition will be the far right conservative authoritarian fringe of the republican party and those who directly profit from prohibition, either legally or illegally. Until then, I’ve got some satire to write, some special stuff on the way for 4/20, and a supersized bag of Cheetos in the pantry. Party on, man.

  45. bob42 Avatar

    #15 Wagonburner, your linkie almost rated a coffee spew. The remaining die hard drug warriors are increasingly becoming good for nothing but chuckles. They are the real life embodiment of Cheech & Chong’s Sgt. Stadanko character. So the college spends a ton of money spreading BPH around the quad on 4/20. The stoners push the date out a couple of weeks, and the party goes on. As the saying goes, “It’s always 4:20 somewhere!”
    Especially over the past decade there have been a series of measures in CO aimed at various degrees of cannabis prohibition reforms. These closely parallel efforts that eventually resulted in the end of alcohol prohibition. The latest measure is supported by a majority of citizens, as well as both political parties there. This is in stark contrast to similar efforts four and six years ago when the republican president dispatched (on the taxpayer dime of course) teams of professional propagandists from the ONDCP to go to Colorado and tell their same tired fear mongering lies. “States Rights?” My foot. This is the same lame authoritarian administration whose justice department wasted half a million entrapping Tommy Chong, which subsequently boosted his bottom line as an entertainer.
    What Colorado is doing is also in stark contrast to Texas’ own buffoonish drug warriors such as Dan Patrick and Lamar Smith, who would rather see your loved one suffer than use cannabis to alleviate side effects of chemotherapy. The day is not far when the only people who still support cannabis prohibition will be the far right conservative authoritarian fringe of the republican party and those who directly profit from prohibition, either legally or illegally. Until then, I’ve got some satire to write, some special stuff on the way for 4/20, and a supersized bag of Cheetos in the pantry. Party on, man.

  46. Tedtam Avatar

    I remember reading an article about a guy who was self-experimenting with a cancer treatment using gold particles which he somehow got to attach to cancer cells, then using some kind of radio/energy wave to treat the tumor by heating it up and killing the cancer but not the surrounding tissue. It’s been a while, details are fuzzy….guess I gotta go look it up.

  47. Tedtam Avatar

    I remember reading an article about a guy who was self-experimenting with a cancer treatment using gold particles which he somehow got to attach to cancer cells, then using some kind of radio/energy wave to treat the tumor by heating it up and killing the cancer but not the surrounding tissue. It’s been a while, details are fuzzy….guess I gotta go look it up.

  48. Hamous Avatar

    #24 Cuba is a whole lot closer, metaphorically speaking as it is really like the wiss-hole of the world, kind of like Haiti.

  49. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #24 Cuba is a whole lot closer, metaphorically speaking as it is really like the wiss-hole of the world, kind of like Haiti.

  50. Hamous Avatar

    #28: A dude in our office had radioactive gold pellets put in his prostate for cancer treatment. He was “glowing” for a few days and had hot flashes, but after a couple of months he did not have any symptoms that I could detect on a casual basis. That was 2 years ago and his last screen was clear.

  51. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #28: A dude in our office had radioactive gold pellets put in his prostate for cancer treatment. He was “glowing” for a few days and had hot flashes, but after a couple of months he did not have any symptoms that I could detect on a casual basis. That was 2 years ago and his last screen was clear.

  52. Dooood Avatar

    Abortion Protestor Wins Against Obama/Holder/DOJ After 18 Month Battle

    Once again, I find no link to any wire service, major newspaper, periodical or television/radio broadcast for this story. The Holder DOJ gets bitch-slapped by a federal judge and ordered to pay $120,000 in legal fess for the defendant and yet, the MSM can’t find any pixels to even mention it.

    After 18 months of litigation, the DOJ’s case was thrown out of federal court, and the department was chastised in a scathing ruling by U.S. District Judge Kenneth Ryskamp for filing a case with no evidence.

    Judge Ryskamp wrote that Holder’s complete failure to present any evidence of wrongdoing, coupled with the DOJ’s cozy relationship with PWC and their apparent joint decision to destroy video surveillance footage of the alleged “obstruction,” caused the court to suspect a conspiracy at the highest levels of the Obama administration. “The Court is at a loss as to why the Government chose to prosecute this particular case in the first place,” wrote Judge Ryskamp. “The Court can only wonder whether this action was the product of a concerted effort between the Government and PWC, which began well before the date of the incident at issue, to quell Ms. Pine’s activities rather than to vindicate the rights of those allegedly aggrieved by Ms. Pine’s conduct.”

    After the ruling the DOJ appealed on the last day possible and gave indication that President Obama had personally ordered the appeal. A little over a week later, the president apparently decided to cut his losses and reversed course.

  53. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Abortion Protestor Wins Against Obama/Holder/DOJ After 18 Month Battle
    Once again, I find no link to any wire service, major newspaper, periodical or television/radio broadcast for this story. The Holder DOJ gets bitch-slapped by a federal judge and ordered to pay $120,000 in legal fess for the defendant and yet, the MSM can’t find any pixels to even mention it.

    After 18 months of litigation, the DOJ’s case was thrown out of federal court, and the department was chastised in a scathing ruling by U.S. District Judge Kenneth Ryskamp for filing a case with no evidence.
    Judge Ryskamp wrote that Holder’s complete failure to present any evidence of wrongdoing, coupled with the DOJ’s cozy relationship with PWC and their apparent joint decision to destroy video surveillance footage of the alleged “obstruction,” caused the court to suspect a conspiracy at the highest levels of the Obama administration. “The Court is at a loss as to why the Government chose to prosecute this particular case in the first place,” wrote Judge Ryskamp. “The Court can only wonder whether this action was the product of a concerted effort between the Government and PWC, which began well before the date of the incident at issue, to quell Ms. Pine’s activities rather than to vindicate the rights of those allegedly aggrieved by Ms. Pine’s conduct.”
    After the ruling the DOJ appealed on the last day possible and gave indication that President Obama had personally ordered the appeal. A little over a week later, the president apparently decided to cut his losses and reversed course.

  54. Tedtam Avatar

    Another reason to /spit.

    I guess an educated woman is a threat to the male-dominated society in Afghanistan.

    God bless and heal those young girls and women. And His divine retribution upon the perpetrators of this attack.

  55. Tedtam Avatar

    Another reason to /spit.
    I guess an educated woman is a threat to the male-dominated society in Afghanistan.
    God bless and heal those young girls and women. And His divine retribution upon the perpetrators of this attack.

  56. Hamous Avatar

    TT: Imagine linking an MRI scanner to a multiple gun (>10 units) gamma ray emitter. The MRI scanner identifies the margins of the tumor, the individual guns are, by themselves, harmless but when the beams all intersect the tissue in that zone gets destroyed. The destruction of the beams is thus contained to the target zones and does not fry the surrounding tissues. This technique would/should dramatically reduce the unwanted side effects of radiotherapy.

  57. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    TT: Imagine linking an MRI scanner to a multiple gun (>10 units) gamma ray emitter. The MRI scanner identifies the margins of the tumor, the individual guns are, by themselves, harmless but when the beams all intersect the tissue in that zone gets destroyed. The destruction of the beams is thus contained to the target zones and does not fry the surrounding tissues. This technique would/should dramatically reduce the unwanted side effects of radiotherapy.

  58. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The remaining die hard drug warriors are increasingly becoming good for nothing but chuckles. They are the real life embodiment of Cheech & Chong’s Sgt. Stadanko character.

    Heh. That’s pretty funny because I was recently watching a weed-friendly documentary set in Colorado. Whatever the town was, they were preparing to vote out the “medicinal marijuana” drug stores. I was thinking the “weed warriors” in the show were the real-life embodiment of Cheech & Chong.

  59. Hamous Avatar

    The remaining die hard drug warriors are increasingly becoming good for nothing but chuckles. They are the real life embodiment of Cheech & Chong’s Sgt. Stadanko character.

    Heh. That’s pretty funny because I was recently watching a weed-friendly documentary set in Colorado. Whatever the town was, they were preparing to vote out the “medicinal marijuana” drug stores. I was thinking the “weed warriors” in the show were the real-life embodiment of Cheech & Chong.

  60. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. A cool front, 1.2″ rain, and a high of 67 made yesterday a delight at our place. This morning at 6 the thermometer showed 61, rain’s gone, a soft northerly breeze arrived, and today should be a10. Thank you, Lord.

    #22 WB handoff from BC. Love that pic. Keep it going. And these ladies are so pleasant.
    But then we know that an armed society is also a polite society.

  61. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. A cool front, 1.2″ rain, and a high of 67 made yesterday a delight at our place. This morning at 6 the thermometer showed 61, rain’s gone, a soft northerly breeze arrived, and today should be a10. Thank you, Lord.
    #22 WB handoff from BC. Love that pic. Keep it going. And these ladies are so pleasant.
    But then we know that an armed society is also a polite society.

  62. Hamous Avatar

    #22 Pyro: Thanks for posting.

  63. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #22 Pyro: Thanks for posting.

  64. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    So, rather than let the free market work and get out of the way of domestic oil production, I see our Half Nubian Prince is going after “big oil” again. Predictable.

  65. Hamous Avatar

    So, rather than let the free market work and get out of the way of domestic oil production, I see our Half Nubian Prince is going after “big oil” again. Predictable.

  66. Hamous Avatar

    JugEars signed this yesterday. This site claims that it gives 0 martial law authority even in peacetime.
    Will we even have an election in November?

  67. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    JugEars signed this yesterday. This site claims that it gives 0 martial law authority even in peacetime.
    Will we even have an election in November?

  68. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    13 Boney

    1800 out of 309 million people (population of the U.S.). What is that almost 0.0006% ?

    Discounting that not all of those 309 million people are wage earners (don’t work or not old enough to work, or too old to work) then it still can’t be much more than 0.002%

    I have no argument about the tax code is over-complicated and needs to be simplified, but this is one of those Pogo moments. “We have seen the enemy and he is us.”. Everyone has their own pet tax break that they are unwilling to let go. (i.e. Home Mortgage, Charitible Deductions,….) I have a better chance of being Scarlet Johannsen’s co-star in her next movie than there is of the code being rewritten.

    p.s. The 1800 or so folks who renounced their citizenship….Great! They should not let the door hit them in the fanny on the way out.

    Simple

  69. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    13 Boney
    1800 out of 309 million people (population of the U.S.). What is that almost 0.0006% ?
    Discounting that not all of those 309 million people are wage earners (don’t work or not old enough to work, or too old to work) then it still can’t be much more than 0.002%
    I have no argument about the tax code is over-complicated and needs to be simplified, but this is one of those Pogo moments. “We have seen the enemy and he is us.”. Everyone has their own pet tax break that they are unwilling to let go. (i.e. Home Mortgage, Charitible Deductions,….) I have a better chance of being Scarlet Johannsen’s co-star in her next movie than there is of the code being rewritten.
    p.s. The 1800 or so folks who renounced their citizenship….Great! They should not let the door hit them in the fanny on the way out.
    Simple

  70. Hamous Avatar

    #40 Simple: The tax code is more than ten times the size of the King James Bible. A moderately complex tax question will get different answers from the IRS in the same week, not to mention different answers from the tax prep pros. It is simply too long and complex for anyone to understand, and it puts every one in the cross hairs of the IRS should they run afoul of the polititerds currently in power in DC. A flat retail sales tax with a prebate to every family to cover the tax on the basics; tax everything after that. Make sure the rate is capped at 15% and have it apply to new stuff only.
    IT IS NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU OR I EARN!!
    This tax would capture the underground economy, will lift the non-productive onerous burden of tax compliance from the vast majority of citizens, will result in very little if any increase in prices and will likely increase revenue to the treasury. This policy will make our country more favorable for multinationals to relocate and overall will cause our economy to grow and unemployment to decrease.

  71. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #40 Simple: The tax code is more than ten times the size of the King James Bible. A moderately complex tax question will get different answers from the IRS in the same week, not to mention different answers from the tax prep pros. It is simply too long and complex for anyone to understand, and it puts every one in the cross hairs of the IRS should they run afoul of the polititerds currently in power in DC. A flat retail sales tax with a prebate to every family to cover the tax on the basics; tax everything after that. Make sure the rate is capped at 15% and have it apply to new stuff only.
    IT IS NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU OR I EARN!!
    This tax would capture the underground economy, will lift the non-productive onerous burden of tax compliance from the vast majority of citizens, will result in very little if any increase in prices and will likely increase revenue to the treasury. This policy will make our country more favorable for multinationals to relocate and overall will cause our economy to grow and unemployment to decrease.

  72. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    WASHINGTON – Texas House Speaker Joe Straus said Tuesday he won’t sign a no-tax, lower-spending pledge proposed by Gov. Rick Perry , suggesting that while he share’s the goals, Perry may be crossing a line in trying to pressure lawmakers in that way.

  73. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    WASHINGTON – Texas House Speaker Joe Straus said Tuesday he won’t sign a no-tax, lower-spending pledge proposed by Gov. Rick Perry , suggesting that while he share’s the goals, Perry may be crossing a line in trying to pressure lawmakers in that way.

  74. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    OC: Not to mention deadly conflicts over how to make GC sammiches…

  75. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    OC: Not to mention deadly conflicts over how to make GC sammiches…

  76. Tedtam Avatar

    #43 Mharper

    There’s no conflict. There’s only one way to make a proper GC. All others are faux GC.

  77. Tedtam Avatar

    #43 Mharper
    There’s no conflict. There’s only one way to make a proper GC. All others are faux GC.

  78. bob42 Avatar

    #35 Hamous, I think I also saw the video you mentioned.

    That’s pretty funny because I was recently watching a weed-friendly documentary set in Colorado. Whatever the town was, they were preparing to vote out the “medicinal marijuana” drug stores. I was thinking the “weed warriors” in the show were the real-life embodiment of Cheech & Chong.

    Such reactions are common, but what the complainers fail to comprehend is that the people who are ‘abusing’ the ability to obtain cannabis without fear of draconian fines or becoming ‘guests’ of the state (at tax payer expense, btw) had little problem obtaining the substance before it was made legally available to those with legitimate medical need. The only difference is that the violent black market loses the profit, which sounds good to me.

    Overall, I think that a complete end to the stupid prohibition of a silly plant, with regulation similar to that of tobacco and alcohol, is a far more cost effective, efficient, and moral policy than the archaic closed minded authoritarian nonsense that the republican party of Texas still boasts about in its platform. The motivations of selfish superficial pandering parasites/drug warriors like Patrick and Smith is not a mystery. Your continued “ambivalence” on the issue (which amounts to support of the status quo) is.

  79. bob42 Avatar

    #35 Hamous, I think I also saw the video you mentioned.

    That’s pretty funny because I was recently watching a weed-friendly documentary set in Colorado. Whatever the town was, they were preparing to vote out the “medicinal marijuana” drug stores. I was thinking the “weed warriors” in the show were the real-life embodiment of Cheech & Chong.

    Such reactions are common, but what the complainers fail to comprehend is that the people who are ‘abusing’ the ability to obtain cannabis without fear of draconian fines or becoming ‘guests’ of the state (at tax payer expense, btw) had little problem obtaining the substance before it was made legally available to those with legitimate medical need. The only difference is that the violent black market loses the profit, which sounds good to me.
    Overall, I think that a complete end to the stupid prohibition of a silly plant, with regulation similar to that of tobacco and alcohol, is a far more cost effective, efficient, and moral policy than the archaic closed minded authoritarian nonsense that the republican party of Texas still boasts about in its platform. The motivations of selfish superficial pandering parasites/drug warriors like Patrick and Smith is not a mystery. Your continued “ambivalence” on the issue (which amounts to support of the status quo) is.

  80. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #30 TT
    That’s him, I remembered seeing this story on 60 Mins a few years ago. Sorry to hear he died, but it was not from cancer, at least.

  81. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #30 TT
    That’s him, I remembered seeing this story on 60 Mins a few years ago. Sorry to hear he died, but it was not from cancer, at least.

  82. Katfish Avatar

    It’s a grilled cheese sammich.

    It’s not a “microwave some cheese between a couple slices of toast” sammich.

  83. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It’s a grilled cheese sammich.
    It’s not a “microwave some cheese between a couple slices of toast” sammich.

  84. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #44 TT
    Depends on who is in the bunker, mon ami!

  85. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #44 TT
    Depends on who is in the bunker, mon ami!

  86. Katfish Avatar

    The only difference is that the violent black market loses the profit, which sounds good to me.

    Violent black marketeer #1: Hey, VBM #2! Check this on the TV news. Drugs are legal now.
    Violent black marketeer #2: Well, we had a good run. I guess we’ll just go legit now.

    If you believe that’s what would happen, I’ve got some “coastal” land you might be interested in. ~200 acres when the tide’s out.

  87. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The only difference is that the violent black market loses the profit, which sounds good to me.

    Violent black marketeer #1: Hey, VBM #2! Check this on the TV news. Drugs are legal now.
    Violent black marketeer #2: Well, we had a good run. I guess we’ll just go legit now.
    If you believe that’s what would happen, I’ve got some “coastal” land you might be interested in. ~200 acres when the tide’s out.

  88. Hamous Avatar

    GC Sammich: bread, cheese, butter (margerine is issue of satan) black iron skillet. These are the essential elements of a proper GC Sammich.

  89. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    GC Sammich: bread, cheese, butter (margerine is issue of satan) black iron skillet. These are the essential elements of a proper GC Sammich.

  90. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #47 Pyro
    Thank you for the correction. I lubs my melted cheese sammich from the toaster + microwave! Low fat, not greasy, clean & neat & ready to eat in 2.5 mins.

  91. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #47 Pyro
    Thank you for the correction. I lubs my melted cheese sammich from the toaster + microwave! Low fat, not greasy, clean & neat & ready to eat in 2.5 mins.

  92. Hamous Avatar

    #49:

    Violent black marketeer #2: Well, we had a good run. I guess we’ll just go legit now.

    Really poor straw man argument. Nobody ever said anybody would go legit, only that the particularly large revenue stream would be removed. I am all for starving this beast, this would make the VBMs have to seek out other, potentially more risky, venues to seek revenues or make the transition to legitimacy should they so choose.
    My gut tells me that a whole bunch of dopers would prefer to grow their own anyway.

  93. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #49:

    Violent black marketeer #2: Well, we had a good run. I guess we’ll just go legit now.

    Really poor straw man argument. Nobody ever said anybody would go legit, only that the particularly large revenue stream would be removed. I am all for starving this beast, this would make the VBMs have to seek out other, potentially more risky, venues to seek revenues or make the transition to legitimacy should they so choose.
    My gut tells me that a whole bunch of dopers would prefer to grow their own anyway.

  94. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    RE Cancer treatments

    While the Mrs and I were in college, she volunteered to assist one of the profs in collecting tissue samples from rabbits that were utilized in cancer research. Dr. Delbert Day at my alma mater came up with the idea of creating microscopic glass beads that also just happened to be radioactive as well. The idea is to inject them into the blood supply of tumors in the liver. This is now a commercially available treatment around the world.

    Prior to the development of the glass microspheres, there was no effective way of treating patients with inoperable liver cancer, and life expectancy was measured in weeks or months.

    snip

    Today, 8-to-10 million radioactive beads (each about one-third the diameter of a human hair) can be transported to the tumor, where very large doses of radiation safely work to destroy the cancer with minimum risk to the patient. The treatment is done on an out-patient basis and there are few side-effects. The life expectancy of patients treated in this way has been increased significantly, from weeks to years

    Dr. Day collaborated with professors in the biology and life science fields to conduct the research. The professor in charge of the rabbits eventually forbade my wife from working with the live rabbits because she started to name them 🙂 Ultimately all the rabbits had to be put down so their livers could be dissected and examined under microscopes, etc. She knew this and did not have an ethical or moral problem with the research, but the prof got tired of her referring to certain rabbits by name.

  95. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    RE Cancer treatments
    While the Mrs and I were in college, she volunteered to assist one of the profs in collecting tissue samples from rabbits that were utilized in cancer research. Dr. Delbert Day at my alma mater came up with the idea of creating microscopic glass beads that also just happened to be radioactive as well. The idea is to inject them into the blood supply of tumors in the liver. This is now a commercially available treatment around the world.

    Prior to the development of the glass microspheres, there was no effective way of treating patients with inoperable liver cancer, and life expectancy was measured in weeks or months.

    snip

    Today, 8-to-10 million radioactive beads (each about one-third the diameter of a human hair) can be transported to the tumor, where very large doses of radiation safely work to destroy the cancer with minimum risk to the patient. The treatment is done on an out-patient basis and there are few side-effects. The life expectancy of patients treated in this way has been increased significantly, from weeks to years

    Dr. Day collaborated with professors in the biology and life science fields to conduct the research. The professor in charge of the rabbits eventually forbade my wife from working with the live rabbits because she started to name them 🙂 Ultimately all the rabbits had to be put down so their livers could be dissected and examined under microscopes, etc. She knew this and did not have an ethical or moral problem with the research, but the prof got tired of her referring to certain rabbits by name.

  96. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    RE Taxes

    When we moved to Morocco, the rep from the big accounting firm who is handling our taxes told us up front that they are very conservative and they would rather the expats receive a huge refund instead of owing a large sum of money. In fact they were so conservative with the withholding initially that they completely wiped out our uplift. It was as if I had moved 5,000 miles to live in a 2nd world country for the same pay. I called the rep and had a long discussion about the matter. We got it corrected, but I could still tell they were taking out too much. We ended up with a refund that had 5 places in front of the decimal last year. I will probably end up in a very similar situation this year since we were there for exactly 6 months during two consecutive calendar years.

  97. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    RE Taxes
    When we moved to Morocco, the rep from the big accounting firm who is handling our taxes told us up front that they are very conservative and they would rather the expats receive a huge refund instead of owing a large sum of money. In fact they were so conservative with the withholding initially that they completely wiped out our uplift. It was as if I had moved 5,000 miles to live in a 2nd world country for the same pay. I called the rep and had a long discussion about the matter. We got it corrected, but I could still tell they were taking out too much. We ended up with a refund that had 5 places in front of the decimal last year. I will probably end up in a very similar situation this year since we were there for exactly 6 months during two consecutive calendar years.

  98. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    You guys need to stage a grilled cheese sandwich contest since there are apparently some different belief systems in play regarding this culinary item.

    I volunteer to judge the event because I honestly am not that heavily vested in said culinary delight and thus I think I could be impartial.

  99. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    You guys need to stage a grilled cheese sandwich contest since there are apparently some different belief systems in play regarding this culinary item.
    I volunteer to judge the event because I honestly am not that heavily vested in said culinary delight and thus I think I could be impartial.

  100. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I once saw Julia Childs make a GCS for David Letterman with a small kitchen blowtorch. She said it takes 45 mins to make a proper GCS.

    p.s. This was way back when Letterman was cool, not the despicable shlub he is now.

  101. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I once saw Julia Childs make a GCS for David Letterman with a small kitchen blowtorch. She said it takes 45 mins to make a proper GCS.
    p.s. This was way back when Letterman was cool, not the despicable shlub he is now.

  102. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    47 wagonburner says:
    April 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    It’s a grilled cheese sammich.

    It’s not a “microwave some cheese between a couple slices of toast” sammich.

    If it was left up to you luddites, we’d still be cooking squirrels on a spit over a campfire instead of going to Florida fast food chains to get ’em.

  103. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    47 wagonburner says:
    April 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    It’s a grilled cheese sammich.
    It’s not a “microwave some cheese between a couple slices of toast” sammich.

    If it was left up to you luddites, we’d still be cooking squirrels on a spit over a campfire instead of going to Florida fast food chains to get ’em.

  104. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Don’t underestimate the culinary elegance of a campfire rotisserie squirrel.

  105. Hamous Avatar

    Don’t underestimate the culinary elegance of a campfire rotisserie squirrel.

  106. Hamous Avatar

    #56 M42:

    a small kitchen blowtorch.

    The preferred tool to caramelize the sugar on top of flaun.
    /peels paint well also.

  107. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #56 M42:

    a small kitchen blowtorch.

    The preferred tool to caramelize the sugar on top of flaun.
    /peels paint well also.

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Don’t overestimate the elegance of swans.

  109. Hamous Avatar

    Don’t overestimate the elegance of swans.

  110. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have decided, Sarge, you wouldn’t know a GCS if it bit you on the bare butt.

  111. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have decided, Sarge, you wouldn’t know a GCS if it bit you on the bare butt.

  112. Katfish Avatar

    Yum.

    Fluffy-tailed tree rat.

    On a stick.

  113. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Yum.
    Fluffy-tailed tree rat.
    On a stick.

  114. Dooood Avatar

    It must be interesting when Mharper and Sarge microwave those ribeye steaks.

  115. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    It must be interesting when Mharper and Sarge microwave those ribeye steaks.

  116. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #63 – EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

  117. Katfish Avatar

    #63 – EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

  118. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    If there isn’t a griddle or a pan involved, and an obscene amount of real butter, it’s nothing more than melted cheese on toast.

  119. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    If there isn’t a griddle or a pan involved, and an obscene amount of real butter, it’s nothing more than melted cheese on toast.

  120. Hamous Avatar

    It must be interesting when Mharper and Sarge microwave those ribeye steaks.

    That is really quite foul, abusing meat like that.

  121. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    It must be interesting when Mharper and Sarge microwave those ribeye steaks.

    That is really quite foul, abusing meat like that.

  122. Dooood Avatar

    #39 BC

    Obama signed that Executive Order on March 16th, 2012. It is a revision of an original EO issued in 1958 by Eisenhower, subsequently updated by Clinton and G.W. Bush. Bear in mind no executive order has any force of authority without the expressed consent of Congress.

    So you can rein in your paranoia about whether there will be an election in November.

    Another thing people forget:

    The collective armed citizenry of the USA numbers far more than the combined armed forces of all the major nations on earth. Even the Soviets ruled out a land invasion of the US back in the early days of the Cold War. They concluded, according to reports revealed in the Venona Project, it would be fruitless to invade a country in which millions and millions of people across an entire continent were armed to the teeth.

    Calling off constitutionally sanctioned elections would be suicide for whatever administration is in power.

  123. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #39 BC
    Obama signed that Executive Order on March 16th, 2012. It is a revision of an original EO issued in 1958 by Eisenhower, subsequently updated by Clinton and G.W. Bush. Bear in mind no executive order has any force of authority without the expressed consent of Congress.
    So you can rein in your paranoia about whether there will be an election in November.
    Another thing people forget:
    The collective armed citizenry of the USA numbers far more than the combined armed forces of all the major nations on earth. Even the Soviets ruled out a land invasion of the US back in the early days of the Cold War. They concluded, according to reports revealed in the Venona Project, it would be fruitless to invade a country in which millions and millions of people across an entire continent were armed to the teeth.
    Calling off constitutionally sanctioned elections would be suicide for whatever administration is in power.

  124. Hamous Avatar

    #65 Shannon: Even worse, it is a poor imitation of a GCS wannabe.

  125. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #65 Shannon: Even worse, it is a poor imitation of a GCS wannabe.

  126. Hamous Avatar

    #67: I’m gonna hold you to that ifn we still have the innanet. I really hope that I am wrong in my concern, based on his past behavior, however, my concern is not unfounded.

  127. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #67: I’m gonna hold you to that ifn we still have the innanet. I really hope that I am wrong in my concern, based on his past behavior, however, my concern is not unfounded.

  128. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And there is something truly obscene about an old man laying on his hammock in the living room, waiting on his melted cheese toaster sandwich in the microwave.

    It probably throws the entire universe out of kilter.

  129. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And there is something truly obscene about an old man laying on his hammock in the living room, waiting on his melted cheese toaster sandwich in the microwave.
    It probably throws the entire universe out of kilter.

  130. Tedtam Avatar

    #67 Texpat

    It was just yesterday that I informed my office assistant that the true purpose of the Second Amendment was not for self defense or for hunting, but to enable the citizenry to protect ourselves from oppressive governments, whether they be ours or from somewhere else.

    She was truly shocked to learn that. It was hard for her to conceive that we might want to toss our own government.

    I asked her to remember the times of the writing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. If it weren’t for the citizenry – which made up the militia – having guns, the king would have run roughshod over the colonials. The founding fathers did not want to restrict that right to defend our inalienable rights from any government in the future, and so ensured that gun rights were in the Bill of Rights.

    I think she’s still chewing on that idea.

    Thanks to our public education system.

  131. Tedtam Avatar

    #67 Texpat
    It was just yesterday that I informed my office assistant that the true purpose of the Second Amendment was not for self defense or for hunting, but to enable the citizenry to protect ourselves from oppressive governments, whether they be ours or from somewhere else.
    She was truly shocked to learn that. It was hard for her to conceive that we might want to toss our own government.
    I asked her to remember the times of the writing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. If it weren’t for the citizenry – which made up the militia – having guns, the king would have run roughshod over the colonials. The founding fathers did not want to restrict that right to defend our inalienable rights from any government in the future, and so ensured that gun rights were in the Bill of Rights.
    I think she’s still chewing on that idea.
    Thanks to our public education system.

  132. Tedtam Avatar

    #70 Shannon

    It probably throws the entire universe out of kilter.

    Well, that explains some things.

  133. Tedtam Avatar

    #70 Shannon

    It probably throws the entire universe out of kilter.

    Well, that explains some things.

  134. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    66 Bonecrusher says:
    April 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    It must be interesting when Mharper and Sarge microwave those ribeye steaks.

    That is really quite foul, abusing meat like that.

    I wouldn’t treat real meat like that.

    Nor would I treat real cheese like that.

    But seein as how the cheese we all use for these sammiches is actually pastuerized processed cheese food product I sleep with a clear conscience.

  135. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    66 Bonecrusher says:
    April 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    It must be interesting when Mharper and Sarge microwave those ribeye steaks.

    That is really quite foul, abusing meat like that.

    I wouldn’t treat real meat like that.
    Nor would I treat real cheese like that.
    But seein as how the cheese we all use for these sammiches is actually pastuerized processed cheese food product I sleep with a clear conscience.

  136. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    There have been predictions of impending martial law since the founding of our nation. To my knowledge, other than during the War Between the States, it has never been imposed on the entire nation by federal authorities. In my adult life I’ve heard the conspiracy theorists predict it for Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. I’m not going to waste my time and sanity worrying about it. I’m more concerned with the current administration’s penchant for government takeover of the entire economy.

  137. Hamous Avatar

    There have been predictions of impending martial law since the founding of our nation. To my knowledge, other than during the War Between the States, it has never been imposed on the entire nation by federal authorities. In my adult life I’ve heard the conspiracy theorists predict it for Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. I’m not going to waste my time and sanity worrying about it. I’m more concerned with the current administration’s penchant for government takeover of the entire economy.

  138. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    70 Shannon says:
    April 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    And there is something truly obscene about an old man laying on his hammock in the living room, waiting on his melted cheese toaster sandwich in the microwave.

    It probably throws the entire universe out of kilter.

    No worries bout the unnaverse, the toaster’s broke.

    But tonight I am experimenting with an idea on how to make a single serving of macaroni and cheese on the trail using a Jetboil stove and MRE Cheese Spread.

  139. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    70 Shannon says:
    April 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    And there is something truly obscene about an old man laying on his hammock in the living room, waiting on his melted cheese toaster sandwich in the microwave.
    It probably throws the entire universe out of kilter.

    No worries bout the unnaverse, the toaster’s broke.
    But tonight I am experimenting with an idea on how to make a single serving of macaroni and cheese on the trail using a Jetboil stove and MRE Cheese Spread.

  140. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    But seein as how the cheese we all use for these sammiches is actually pastuerized processed cheese food product I sleep with a clear conscience.

    Hey, speak for yourself! I use nothing but real cheese. Usually cheddar, but gouda or muenster works nicely too.

  141. Hamous Avatar

    But seein as how the cheese we all use for these sammiches is actually pastuerized processed cheese food product I sleep with a clear conscience.

    Hey, speak for yourself! I use nothing but real cheese. Usually cheddar, but gouda or muenster works nicely too.

  142. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    67
    We depend on you as our official tinfoil-hat-less rudder.
    A thankless position, I’m sure.

  143. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    67
    We depend on you as our official tinfoil-hat-less rudder.
    A thankless position, I’m sure.

  144. Tedtam Avatar

    From the “If it sounds too good to be true…” desk.

    I noticed that in the middle of the story, the reporter stated that the people looking for “Obama money” had no problem providing identification.

    But yet, it’s an issue when it comes to voting.

  145. Tedtam Avatar

    From the “If it sounds too good to be true…” desk.
    I noticed that in the middle of the story, the reporter stated that the people looking for “Obama money” had no problem providing identification.
    But yet, it’s an issue when it comes to voting.

  146. Dooood Avatar

    #71 Tedtam

    Thomas Jefferson wrote in a 1787 letter to William S. Smith of New York the quote below. Smith was staff officer to George Washington and the son-in-law of President John Adams.

    “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
    The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
    wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
    they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
    it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
    And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
    warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
    resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
    to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
    in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
    time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    It is its natural manure.”

  147. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #71 Tedtam
    Thomas Jefferson wrote in a 1787 letter to William S. Smith of New York the quote below. Smith was staff officer to George Washington and the son-in-law of President John Adams.

    “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
    The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
    wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
    they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
    it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
    And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
    warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
    resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
    to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
    in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
    time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    It is its natural manure.”

  148. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Boney,

    You said:

    #40 Simple: The tax code is more than ten times the size of the King James Bible. A moderately complex tax question will get different answers from the IRS in the same week, not to mention different answers from the tax prep pros.

    Yes and the Constitution is much shorter and the same thing can be said; else we would not need Constitutional Lawyers and the Supremes; I would point out that the latter don’t even agree over Constitiutional arguments.

    You also said the following:

    “A flat retail sales tax with a prebate to every family to cover the tax on the basics; tax everything after that. Make sure the rate is capped at 15% and have it apply to new stuff only.
    This tax would capture the underground economy, will lift the non-productive onerous burden of tax compliance from the vast majority of citizens”

    Of course it would never occur to a seller to not record the sale and take “cash only”, offering the buyer a discount amounting to the sales tax. I would point out that this was a standard practice for years in Texas and many small merchants call the State Sales Tax the “Governor’s Retirement Fund”.

    The government of Italy tried to reduce the amount of cheating on their VAT, which was close to 20%, by mandating computer linked “point of sale” cash registers. The merchants quickly learned how to sabotage and bypass the terminals.

    I really don’t care what form of tax system we have here. It is of little importance because the tax rate will rise to whatever level is needed to support the expenditures of the government. Fix the spending problem and the tax problem becomes trivial. Of course ….no one wants their favorite government program to be cut. (I am no exception)

    Simple

  149. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Boney,
    You said:

    #40 Simple: The tax code is more than ten times the size of the King James Bible. A moderately complex tax question will get different answers from the IRS in the same week, not to mention different answers from the tax prep pros.

    Yes and the Constitution is much shorter and the same thing can be said; else we would not need Constitutional Lawyers and the Supremes; I would point out that the latter don’t even agree over Constitiutional arguments.
    You also said the following:
    “A flat retail sales tax with a prebate to every family to cover the tax on the basics; tax everything after that. Make sure the rate is capped at 15% and have it apply to new stuff only.
    This tax would capture the underground economy, will lift the non-productive onerous burden of tax compliance from the vast majority of citizens”
    Of course it would never occur to a seller to not record the sale and take “cash only”, offering the buyer a discount amounting to the sales tax. I would point out that this was a standard practice for years in Texas and many small merchants call the State Sales Tax the “Governor’s Retirement Fund”.
    The government of Italy tried to reduce the amount of cheating on their VAT, which was close to 20%, by mandating computer linked “point of sale” cash registers. The merchants quickly learned how to sabotage and bypass the terminals.
    I really don’t care what form of tax system we have here. It is of little importance because the tax rate will rise to whatever level is needed to support the expenditures of the government. Fix the spending problem and the tax problem becomes trivial. Of course ….no one wants their favorite government program to be cut. (I am no exception)
    Simple

  150. Dooood Avatar

    #76 Hamous

    I’ve used many different cheeses to make grilled cheese sandwiches, but I have never made one with “pasteurized cheese food product”. If you use Velveeta or Kraft “American Cheese” (not real cheese) on a GCS, then it is not a GCS.

    It’s a creepy, pasteurized dairy by-product between microwaved toast. Yuk.

  151. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #76 Hamous
    I’ve used many different cheeses to make grilled cheese sandwiches, but I have never made one with “pasteurized cheese food product”. If you use Velveeta or Kraft “American Cheese” (not real cheese) on a GCS, then it is not a GCS.
    It’s a creepy, pasteurized dairy by-product between microwaved toast. Yuk.

  152. Dooood Avatar

    #80 Simple

    It is of little importance because the tax rate will rise to whatever level is needed to support the expenditures of the government. Fix the spending problem and the tax problem becomes trivial.

    I agree completely. However, I disagree with the following.

    Of course ….no one wants their favorite government program to be cut.

    I don’t have any “pet” government programs I want saved.

    For instance, you mentioned earlier the mortgage tax deduction for homeowners. I would not care if it was eliminated, but let’s also agree that our entire housing industry has evolved with that fundamental financial feature baked into the valuation of all residential property. The retail banks, the mortgage industry and the elaborate appraisal industry it relies upon would be capsized with an sudden end to the deduction. It would have to be phased in over a period of time so the economy could absorb and adjust to it.

  153. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #80 Simple

    It is of little importance because the tax rate will rise to whatever level is needed to support the expenditures of the government. Fix the spending problem and the tax problem becomes trivial.

    I agree completely. However, I disagree with the following.

    Of course ….no one wants their favorite government program to be cut.

    I don’t have any “pet” government programs I want saved.
    For instance, you mentioned earlier the mortgage tax deduction for homeowners. I would not care if it was eliminated, but let’s also agree that our entire housing industry has evolved with that fundamental financial feature baked into the valuation of all residential property. The retail banks, the mortgage industry and the elaborate appraisal industry it relies upon would be capsized with an sudden end to the deduction. It would have to be phased in over a period of time so the economy could absorb and adjust to it.

  154. Hamous Avatar

    The value added tax is vile spawn of Satan, as most value added taxes are imposed at multiple levels of the manufacturing process. A far more specific term is retail sales tax.

    Yes and the Constitution is much shorter and the same thing can be said; else we would not need Constitutional Lawyers and the Supremes; I would point out that the latter don’t even agree over Constitiutional arguments.

    Those government-type polititerds that refuse to live within the bounds of the Constitution created, out of thin air, the concept that the Constitution magically changes with the times and that it is a living and breathing document. This argument is patently absurd. They created this philosophy because they knew that what they wanted would never get past the congress and then president, and finally past a court that takes a strict constructionist position. The Framers intended it to be a set of restrictions on the Federal Government, which is the primary reason for the 10th amendment:

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    The Framers put in place a mechanism for change of the Constitution and they made it darned difficult ON PURPOSE so that changes would not happen based on frivolity. The fact that the Framers put a change mechanism in place completely invalidates the absurd ‘living and breathing’ notion.
    It is the responsibility of WE THE PEOPLE to take back our country and government and knock those polititerds who step outside the prescribed boundaries back into line. This, by necessity, includes federal judges. Any judge who professes adherence to the absurd “living and breathing” notion above is not fit to sit on the bench.

    Of course it would never occur to a seller to not record the sale and take “cash only”, offering the buyer a discount amounting to the sales tax.

    Tracking products purchase for resale vs tax remitted on the resale vs spot inventory makes that far less likely. The fact of the matter, it is none of the federal gov’t biz how much money you or I make. That data is used for class warfare and incumbent reelections; it has nothing to do with raising money for the legitimate functions of government. The administrators of the tax code need to stop using it for social engineering and stick to raising revenues.

  155. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The value added tax is vile spawn of Satan, as most value added taxes are imposed at multiple levels of the manufacturing process. A far more specific term is retail sales tax.

    Yes and the Constitution is much shorter and the same thing can be said; else we would not need Constitutional Lawyers and the Supremes; I would point out that the latter don’t even agree over Constitiutional arguments.

    Those government-type polititerds that refuse to live within the bounds of the Constitution created, out of thin air, the concept that the Constitution magically changes with the times and that it is a living and breathing document. This argument is patently absurd. They created this philosophy because they knew that what they wanted would never get past the congress and then president, and finally past a court that takes a strict constructionist position. The Framers intended it to be a set of restrictions on the Federal Government, which is the primary reason for the 10th amendment:

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    The Framers put in place a mechanism for change of the Constitution and they made it darned difficult ON PURPOSE so that changes would not happen based on frivolity. The fact that the Framers put a change mechanism in place completely invalidates the absurd ‘living and breathing’ notion.
    It is the responsibility of WE THE PEOPLE to take back our country and government and knock those polititerds who step outside the prescribed boundaries back into line. This, by necessity, includes federal judges. Any judge who professes adherence to the absurd “living and breathing” notion above is not fit to sit on the bench.

    Of course it would never occur to a seller to not record the sale and take “cash only”, offering the buyer a discount amounting to the sales tax.

    Tracking products purchase for resale vs tax remitted on the resale vs spot inventory makes that far less likely. The fact of the matter, it is none of the federal gov’t biz how much money you or I make. That data is used for class warfare and incumbent reelections; it has nothing to do with raising money for the legitimate functions of government. The administrators of the tax code need to stop using it for social engineering and stick to raising revenues.

  156. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #63 Texpat

    microwave those ribeye steaks

    I am spared that disaster because I do not like to cook meat. If I want a big meat meal, I dine out. That doesn’t happen often.

    I can’t speak for Sarge, but I’ve seen Spam in his campout swanger albums.

  157. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #63 Texpat

    microwave those ribeye steaks

    I am spared that disaster because I do not like to cook meat. If I want a big meat meal, I dine out. That doesn’t happen often.
    I can’t speak for Sarge, but I’ve seen Spam in his campout swanger albums.

  158. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #70 Shannon
    You are so mean, I am going to unFriend you in FB.

    Me, I don’t think of Sarge as an old man. Prolly because he is ever so much younger than I am.

  159. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #70 Shannon
    You are so mean, I am going to unFriend you in FB.
    Me, I don’t think of Sarge as an old man. Prolly because he is ever so much younger than I am.

  160. bob42 Avatar

    #52 Bonecrusher, Yup, and Yup. Fearful factless strawmen are all that are left for those who support prohibition, especially at the federal level.

    Really poor straw man argument. Nobody ever said anybody would go legit, only that the particularly large revenue stream would be removed
    – – –
    My gut tells me that a whole bunch of dopers would prefer to grow their own anyway.

    I certainly would (and have, decades ago) and you’re darn tootin that people should have the right to grow whatever they wish on their own property. Those who say otherwise have yet to make a compelling case to empower government to prohibit them, particularly at the federal level.

    Here’s an argument based on the principal of fiscal conservatism.

    While the [300] economists don’t directly call for pot legalization, the petition asks advocates on both sides to engage in an “open and honest debate” about the benefits of pot prohibition.

    “At a minimum, this debate will force advocates of current policy to show that prohibition has benefits sufficient to justify the cost to taxpayers, foregone tax revenues, and numerous ancillary consequences that result from [cannabis] prohibition,” the petition states.

    Today, I can only imagine typical red state republican politicians doing anything but tucking their cowardly tails between their legs and running for the hills when asked to state a rational/factual case in favor of continuing to waste money and hurt people.

    But enough serious talk for today (continuing coverage of 4/20/2012 resumes Friday.) It’s time for a Tuesday afternoon boobie break, just for Wagonburner.

  161. bob42 Avatar

    #52 Bonecrusher, Yup, and Yup. Fearful factless strawmen are all that are left for those who support prohibition, especially at the federal level.

    Really poor straw man argument. Nobody ever said anybody would go legit, only that the particularly large revenue stream would be removed
    – – –
    My gut tells me that a whole bunch of dopers would prefer to grow their own anyway.

    I certainly would (and have, decades ago) and you’re darn tootin that people should have the right to grow whatever they wish on their own property. Those who say otherwise have yet to make a compelling case to empower government to prohibit them, particularly at the federal level.
    Here’s an argument based on the principal of fiscal conservatism.

    While the [300] economists don’t directly call for pot legalization, the petition asks advocates on both sides to engage in an “open and honest debate” about the benefits of pot prohibition.
    “At a minimum, this debate will force advocates of current policy to show that prohibition has benefits sufficient to justify the cost to taxpayers, foregone tax revenues, and numerous ancillary consequences that result from [cannabis] prohibition,” the petition states.

    Today, I can only imagine typical red state republican politicians doing anything but tucking their cowardly tails between their legs and running for the hills when asked to state a rational/factual case in favor of continuing to waste money and hurt people.
    But enough serious talk for today (continuing coverage of 4/20/2012 resumes Friday.) It’s time for a Tuesday afternoon boobie break, just for Wagonburner.

  162. Dooood Avatar

    #86 Shannon

    Pat Lykos only thought she had lab problems.

    That is one stunning, horrifying story. And the Washington Post deserves the credit for uncovering it. I wonder how many people are in American prisons still over those bad FBI lab results.

  163. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #86 Shannon
    Pat Lykos only thought she had lab problems.
    That is one stunning, horrifying story. And the Washington Post deserves the credit for uncovering it. I wonder how many people are in American prisons still over those bad FBI lab results.

  164. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Today, I can only imagine typical red state republican politicians doing anything but tucking their cowardly tails between their legs and running for the hills when asked to state a rational/factual case in favor of continuing to waste money and hurt people.

    Cowardice doesn’t even come into play. Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected. Polls are only recently approaching the 50% mark for supporting pot legalization. Until it gets over that hump and stays for a while they’re not going to change, nor should they.

  165. Hamous Avatar

    Today, I can only imagine typical red state republican politicians doing anything but tucking their cowardly tails between their legs and running for the hills when asked to state a rational/factual case in favor of continuing to waste money and hurt people.

    Cowardice doesn’t even come into play. Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected. Polls are only recently approaching the 50% mark for supporting pot legalization. Until it gets over that hump and stays for a while they’re not going to change, nor should they.

  166. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    …the old man down the road. – John Fogerty

  167. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    …the old man down the road. – John Fogerty

  168. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Cowardice doesn’t even come into play. Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected. Polls are only recently approaching the 50% mark for supporting pot legalization. Until it gets over that hump and stays for a while they’re not going to change, nor should they.

    Its obvious that the real goal here is not changing the minds of Republican lawmakers, or to even change the law, really.

    Its just a tool to be used to call Republicans bad names.

  169. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Cowardice doesn’t even come into play. Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected. Polls are only recently approaching the 50% mark for supporting pot legalization. Until it gets over that hump and stays for a while they’re not going to change, nor should they.

    Its obvious that the real goal here is not changing the minds of Republican lawmakers, or to even change the law, really.
    Its just a tool to be used to call Republicans bad names.

  170. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What conundrum? Just pack in a bunch of mesquite and your favorite BBQ sauces and a few cases of Lonestar and you have it made.

  171. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What conundrum? Just pack in a bunch of mesquite and your favorite BBQ sauces and a few cases of Lonestar and you have it made.

  172. Katfish Avatar

    Well, that explains some things.

    But not as well as one would hope.

  173. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Well, that explains some things.

    But not as well as one would hope.

  174. Hamous Avatar

    #92: Your linkie to the conundrum illustrates what happens when you get the federal gov’t too big:

    The idea to blow them up with explosives has been tossed around by officials, but with the high fire danger and current ban on prescribed burns, that scheme may not be feasible.

    Motorized vehicles are banned so officials would have to use horses.

    4-5 snow mobiles pulling sleds and several guys with chain saws would be able to make quick work of that conundrum. But motorized vehicles are banned, what with the pristine environment and all, so the cows will rot there and poison the groundwater but that would be better than those vile, evil gasoline burning scourge machines. A reasonable executive would simply say “screw the ban on motorized vehicles” and dispatch the crew as described and fix the problem. If they were really smart they would take the carcasses to an area where wolves are known to roam and simply feed the wolves. That way the “environmental catastrophe” represented by the snow mobiles could be mitigated, almost like purchasing carbon credits.

  175. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #92: Your linkie to the conundrum illustrates what happens when you get the federal gov’t too big:

    The idea to blow them up with explosives has been tossed around by officials, but with the high fire danger and current ban on prescribed burns, that scheme may not be feasible.
    Motorized vehicles are banned so officials would have to use horses.

    4-5 snow mobiles pulling sleds and several guys with chain saws would be able to make quick work of that conundrum. But motorized vehicles are banned, what with the pristine environment and all, so the cows will rot there and poison the groundwater but that would be better than those vile, evil gasoline burning scourge machines. A reasonable executive would simply say “screw the ban on motorized vehicles” and dispatch the crew as described and fix the problem. If they were really smart they would take the carcasses to an area where wolves are known to roam and simply feed the wolves. That way the “environmental catastrophe” represented by the snow mobiles could be mitigated, almost like purchasing carbon credits.

  176. bob42 Avatar

    #89 Hamous, as far as cowardice is concerned, would you like to see responses from republican politicians that I’ve received after inquiring if they would like to engage in a rational, factual conversation with a representative of LEAP?

    This is another strawman, and a logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum, or more practically speaking, simple mob rule.

    Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected.

    NO, that is not how it should be. Such is the difference between statesmen and politicians. That’s why we enjoy a constitution that (ostensibly) exists to limit the power of government. For example, greater than 50% of the residents in Mississippi would like for their government to prohibit mixed race marriages. But their politicians do not go there for obvious reasons. Contrast that to Texas, where politicians go out of their way to reinforce popular but fallacious myths about cannabis prohibition, all in a effort to pander to an underinformed base to secure election. I maintain that they are selfish and immoral cowards.

  177. bob42 Avatar

    #89 Hamous, as far as cowardice is concerned, would you like to see responses from republican politicians that I’ve received after inquiring if they would like to engage in a rational, factual conversation with a representative of LEAP?
    This is another strawman, and a logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum, or more practically speaking, simple mob rule.

    Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected.

    NO, that is not how it should be. Such is the difference between statesmen and politicians. That’s why we enjoy a constitution that (ostensibly) exists to limit the power of government. For example, greater than 50% of the residents in Mississippi would like for their government to prohibit mixed race marriages. But their politicians do not go there for obvious reasons. Contrast that to Texas, where politicians go out of their way to reinforce popular but fallacious myths about cannabis prohibition, all in a effort to pander to an underinformed base to secure election. I maintain that they are selfish and immoral cowards.

  178. bob42 Avatar

    #91 Sarge, their minds are already made up, and I might as well wiss in the wind as try to reason with them.

    Its obvious that the real goal here is not changing the minds of Republican lawmakers, or to even change the law, really.

    Its just a tool to be used to call Republicans bad names.

    As a recovering republican I’ve earned the right to call a spade a spade. Truth matters to me. I’m far less than sure about them. Lest there be any remaining doubt, I’m very honest about my support of ending cannabis prohibition in favor of more rational policies.

  179. bob42 Avatar

    #91 Sarge, their minds are already made up, and I might as well wiss in the wind as try to reason with them.

    Its obvious that the real goal here is not changing the minds of Republican lawmakers, or to even change the law, really.
    Its just a tool to be used to call Republicans bad names.

    As a recovering republican I’ve earned the right to call a spade a spade. Truth matters to me. I’m far less than sure about them. Lest there be any remaining doubt, I’m very honest about my support of ending cannabis prohibition in favor of more rational policies.

  180. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    As a recovering republican I’ve earned the right to call a spade a spade. Truth matters to me. I’m far less than sure about them. Lest there be any remaining doubt, I’m very honest about my support of ending cannabis prohibition in favor of more rational policies.

    If truth really mattered, you’d agree with this:

    Cowardice doesn’t even come into play. Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected. Polls are only recently approaching the 50% mark for supporting pot legalization. Until it gets over that hump and stays for a while they’re not going to change, nor should they.

  181. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    As a recovering republican I’ve earned the right to call a spade a spade. Truth matters to me. I’m far less than sure about them. Lest there be any remaining doubt, I’m very honest about my support of ending cannabis prohibition in favor of more rational policies.

    If truth really mattered, you’d agree with this:

    Cowardice doesn’t even come into play. Their positions have been based on what their constituents want. They will usually do that (and isn’t that how it should be?) in order to get reelected. Polls are only recently approaching the 50% mark for supporting pot legalization. Until it gets over that hump and stays for a while they’re not going to change, nor should they.

  182. Tedtam Avatar

    This is ridiculous.

    The average cost of the night that teens regard as the night they’ll always remember: $1,078. Last year Visa reported the average cost as $807.

    When I went to the prom (which I did three times, with two different dates), I never spent near that much. Even the cheap end reported here is over $500 dollars.

    My dates either used their own cars. Hubby borrowed a nicer car from a friend (he took me my junior and senior years).

    I did my own hair and make-up. Mom made my dress. I don’t know how much Hubby spent on flowers, but it certainly wasn’t several hundred dollars. The tickets were, I think, fifty dollars. I know inflation has hit, so I’m not sure what that would compare to today. Ug was the guy managing the tickets, and the cave looked nice, especially the new paintings he made of him hunting deer and wooly mammoth.

    I never expected anyone to spend a lot of money on me. My family didn’t have money, and I never assumed anyone else had money, either. The main thing was, as the story says:

    It’s important to remember that the prom is a high school dance, not a wedding.

    Even my own wedding was done on a budget. Hubby and I paid for everything ourselves. I worked for an airline, so we were able to arrange a relatively cheap honeymoon.
    Dress: $225 (included shoes – I got it at a going-out-of-business sale, and it was gorgeous)
    Hall: $500 (local Lions Club Hall, we kinda decorated it)
    Priest: $150 stipend for the ceremony
    Bride’s Cake: $200 maybe – made by a local grocery store, and it looked pretty
    Flowers: I honestly can’t remember, but we got the bride’s bouquet and flowers for the bridesmaids. I think we got an arrangement to go in front of the altar. We didn’t flower up the whole church. We couldn’t afford it.
    Reception: We bought one case of champagne and one keg of beer. We purchased some deli trays from the same store that did our wedding cake. Groom’s cake was a gift from one of my friends. Some of the family also brought some food to share at the reception.
    Organist: $40 for the ceremony
    Soloist: A gift from my boss. Turned out he used to sing for the USO. I didn’t get to hear him sing, but I was told his “Ave Maria” was wonderfully gorgeous.
    Party/Receptionist planner: One of the best gifts I received – a divorcee that I worked with couldn’t afford to buy me anything, but she took control of the hall and reception for me. I didn’t have to worry about a thing, except making sure Hubby didn’t step on my gown and trip me during our dance. I really got to enjoy myself and my big day.

    All in all, we paid for our wedding and honeymoon for somewhere between $3000-$5000. It’s been a while, so I can’t be sure, but I know we didn’t have any more than that to spend. We were more interested in who we were with and how we were married than putting on a show that we couldn’t pay for. The best gifts I got were donations from family and friends.

    And now there are kids spending almost half as much money on their proms as I did on my whole wedding and honeymoon!

    Crazy. Stupid crazy.

  183. Tedtam Avatar

    This is ridiculous.

    The average cost of the night that teens regard as the night they’ll always remember: $1,078. Last year Visa reported the average cost as $807.

    When I went to the prom (which I did three times, with two different dates), I never spent near that much. Even the cheap end reported here is over $500 dollars.
    My dates either used their own cars. Hubby borrowed a nicer car from a friend (he took me my junior and senior years).
    I did my own hair and make-up. Mom made my dress. I don’t know how much Hubby spent on flowers, but it certainly wasn’t several hundred dollars. The tickets were, I think, fifty dollars. I know inflation has hit, so I’m not sure what that would compare to today. Ug was the guy managing the tickets, and the cave looked nice, especially the new paintings he made of him hunting deer and wooly mammoth.
    I never expected anyone to spend a lot of money on me. My family didn’t have money, and I never assumed anyone else had money, either. The main thing was, as the story says:

    It’s important to remember that the prom is a high school dance, not a wedding.

    Even my own wedding was done on a budget. Hubby and I paid for everything ourselves. I worked for an airline, so we were able to arrange a relatively cheap honeymoon.
    Dress: $225 (included shoes – I got it at a going-out-of-business sale, and it was gorgeous)
    Hall: $500 (local Lions Club Hall, we kinda decorated it)
    Priest: $150 stipend for the ceremony
    Bride’s Cake: $200 maybe – made by a local grocery store, and it looked pretty
    Flowers: I honestly can’t remember, but we got the bride’s bouquet and flowers for the bridesmaids. I think we got an arrangement to go in front of the altar. We didn’t flower up the whole church. We couldn’t afford it.
    Reception: We bought one case of champagne and one keg of beer. We purchased some deli trays from the same store that did our wedding cake. Groom’s cake was a gift from one of my friends. Some of the family also brought some food to share at the reception.
    Organist: $40 for the ceremony
    Soloist: A gift from my boss. Turned out he used to sing for the USO. I didn’t get to hear him sing, but I was told his “Ave Maria” was wonderfully gorgeous.
    Party/Receptionist planner: One of the best gifts I received – a divorcee that I worked with couldn’t afford to buy me anything, but she took control of the hall and reception for me. I didn’t have to worry about a thing, except making sure Hubby didn’t step on my gown and trip me during our dance. I really got to enjoy myself and my big day.
    All in all, we paid for our wedding and honeymoon for somewhere between $3000-$5000. It’s been a while, so I can’t be sure, but I know we didn’t have any more than that to spend. We were more interested in who we were with and how we were married than putting on a show that we couldn’t pay for. The best gifts I got were donations from family and friends.
    And now there are kids spending almost half as much money on their proms as I did on my whole wedding and honeymoon!
    Crazy. Stupid crazy.

  184. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    For example, greater than 50% of the residents in Mississippi would like for their government to prohibit mixed race marriages.

    Hogwash.

    On Monday, polling firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) revealed that 29 percent of likely GOP voters surveyed in Mississippi believe that interracial marriage should be illegal. Fifty-four percent said intermarriage should remain legal, and the rest responded that they weren’t sure.

    You can’t even construct a proper red herring.

  185. Hamous Avatar

    For example, greater than 50% of the residents in Mississippi would like for their government to prohibit mixed race marriages.

    Hogwash.

    On Monday, polling firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) revealed that 29 percent of likely GOP voters surveyed in Mississippi believe that interracial marriage should be illegal. Fifty-four percent said intermarriage should remain legal, and the rest responded that they weren’t sure.

    You can’t even construct a proper red herring.

  186. Katfish Avatar

    #95 bob
    Like it or not, if politicians vote in something that is wildly unpopular, the people would exercise their votes to elect politicians who implement things more to their liking. It is not mob rule; it is self-governance. No matter what you think of it.

    In the case of legalizing/decriminalizing weed, the population is only now becoming even moderately/slightly receptive to the idea. The image of a bunch of burned-out stoners like Cheech & Chong don’t help your cause.

  187. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #95 bob
    Like it or not, if politicians vote in something that is wildly unpopular, the people would exercise their votes to elect politicians who implement things more to their liking. It is not mob rule; it is self-governance. No matter what you think of it.
    In the case of legalizing/decriminalizing weed, the population is only now becoming even moderately/slightly receptive to the idea. The image of a bunch of burned-out stoners like Cheech & Chong don’t help your cause.

  188. Katfish Avatar

    For example, greater than 50% of the residents in Mississippi would like for their government to prohibit mixed race marriages.

    Even if that were the case, support for such a prohibition in the rest of the country would be well south of 25% (prolly much lower than that). Given that, the population of the entire country would serve to balance the supposed backwardness of the fine people of Mississippi.

  189. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    For example, greater than 50% of the residents in Mississippi would like for their government to prohibit mixed race marriages.

    Even if that were the case, support for such a prohibition in the rest of the country would be well south of 25% (prolly much lower than that). Given that, the population of the entire country would serve to balance the supposed backwardness of the fine people of Mississippi.

  190. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It’s probably well south of 25% even in Mississippi, seeing as how the poll I referenced was conducted by Democrat pollsters.

  191. Hamous Avatar

    It’s probably well south of 25% even in Mississippi, seeing as how the poll I referenced was conducted by Democrat pollsters.

  192. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    82 Texpat,

    Let me correct myself. Many folks don’t want their favorite deduction eliminated or reduced. This applies to government programs and it is the indefinte “we” that I refer to in this statement. I too don’t care about the home mortgage deduction. I have never figured out how buying a home made any sense because of the deduction.

    One buys a home to have a place to live and a certain life style. Getting into debt to get a deduction just doesn’t make sense.

    Simple

  193. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    82 Texpat,
    Let me correct myself. Many folks don’t want their favorite deduction eliminated or reduced. This applies to government programs and it is the indefinte “we” that I refer to in this statement. I too don’t care about the home mortgage deduction. I have never figured out how buying a home made any sense because of the deduction.
    One buys a home to have a place to live and a certain life style. Getting into debt to get a deduction just doesn’t make sense.
    Simple

  194. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticks head out of LurkCave, breathes awesome clean air 😀 )

    Hello Hamsterousians! Yeeee haw!!! It sure is nice out here! (“surely” for you grammar nuts, “shore” for the Deep South types)

    Last minute note, but ya might want to remind your Fort Bend neighbors to see their sherrif candidates in person tonight, 6:30pm at Oakland Elementary School at Waterside, S. Mason Rd south of 99).

    (retreats back into LurkCave, amidst paperwork remnants which REALLY have the teeth gnashing, but adult beveraging will be postponed until the post office has been visited.)

  195. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticks head out of LurkCave, breathes awesome clean air 😀 )
    Hello Hamsterousians! Yeeee haw!!! It sure is nice out here! (“surely” for you grammar nuts, “shore” for the Deep South types)
    Last minute note, but ya might want to remind your Fort Bend neighbors to see their sherrif candidates in person tonight, 6:30pm at Oakland Elementary School at Waterside, S. Mason Rd south of 99).
    (retreats back into LurkCave, amidst paperwork remnants which REALLY have the teeth gnashing, but adult beveraging will be postponed until the post office has been visited.)

  196. Katfish Avatar

    Yitzak: Yo! Emanuel! Come over here and try this lamb. It’s awesome.
    Emanuel: Dude! This is some of the most succulent lamb I have ever had.
    Yitzak: I know, huh?

  197. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Yitzak: Yo! Emanuel! Come over here and try this lamb. It’s awesome.
    Emanuel: Dude! This is some of the most succulent lamb I have ever had.
    Yitzak: I know, huh?

  198. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK I just dropped in and only read part way through, BUTT, #71 Tedatm says;

    It was just yesterday that I informed my office assistant that the true purpose of the Second Amendment was not for self defense or for hunting, but to enable the citizenry to protect ourselves from oppressive governments, whether they be ours or from somewhere else.

    Be sure to remind her that the “Shot heard ’round the world” @ Lexington and Concord was because the Redcoats were coming to take the guns that the milita had stored. 😉

  199. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK I just dropped in and only read part way through, BUTT, #71 Tedatm says;

    It was just yesterday that I informed my office assistant that the true purpose of the Second Amendment was not for self defense or for hunting, but to enable the citizenry to protect ourselves from oppressive governments, whether they be ours or from somewhere else.

    Be sure to remind her that the “Shot heard ’round the world” @ Lexington and Concord was because the Redcoats were coming to take the guns that the milita had stored. 😉

  200. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I just watched an interview with the family of a man wanted for hurting his girlfriend. They were belligerent, exclaiming the police were blowing it all out of proportion, that they were just a young couple having problems like any other couple. He threw gasoline on her and set her on fire.

  201. Hamous Avatar

    I just watched an interview with the family of a man wanted for hurting his girlfriend. They were belligerent, exclaiming the police were blowing it all out of proportion, that they were just a young couple having problems like any other couple. He threw gasoline on her and set her on fire.

  202. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I had to rewind and watch it. Unbelievable.

    “I’m glad he threw gas on her and not hurt her! She ain’t dead today.”

    Oh wait. My bad. He didn’t throw the match, so she didn’t actually get burned, just doused in gas. She (the wife) is in on the outrage.

  203. Hamous Avatar

    I had to rewind and watch it. Unbelievable.
    “I’m glad he threw gas on her and not hurt her! She ain’t dead today.”
    Oh wait. My bad. He didn’t throw the match, so she didn’t actually get burned, just doused in gas. She (the wife) is in on the outrage.

  204. bob42 Avatar

    #99/102 Hamous, take your pick of the polls. The numbers are consistently significant, yet most politicians don’t find it necessary to pander to them. My point remains that in Texas and other authoritarian states, politicians do in fact perpetuate non-truths about their war on a plant. You’ve not offered anything to dispute that.

    #100 WB, it’s an established trend, and republicans are doing themselves no favors over the long haul in ignoring it.

    In the case of legalizing/decriminalizing weed, the population is only now becoming even moderately/slightly receptive to the idea. The image of a bunch of burned-out stoners like Cheech & Chong don’t help your cause.

    Here we agree. Let’s see what happens in CO this time around. Don’t worry, TX, LA, GA, and the other Southern Strategy states will continue to trail the rest of the nation on many social issues, as usual. Blame the usual suspects.

  205. bob42 Avatar

    #99/102 Hamous, take your pick of the polls. The numbers are consistently significant, yet most politicians don’t find it necessary to pander to them. My point remains that in Texas and other authoritarian states, politicians do in fact perpetuate non-truths about their war on a plant. You’ve not offered anything to dispute that.
    #100 WB, it’s an established trend, and republicans are doing themselves no favors over the long haul in ignoring it.

    In the case of legalizing/decriminalizing weed, the population is only now becoming even moderately/slightly receptive to the idea. The image of a bunch of burned-out stoners like Cheech & Chong don’t help your cause.

    Here we agree. Let’s see what happens in CO this time around. Don’t worry, TX, LA, GA, and the other Southern Strategy states will continue to trail the rest of the nation on many social issues, as usual. Blame the usual suspects.

  206. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    …..Recovering Republican…..
    …..trail the rest of the nation on many social issues…
    …..Texas and other authoritarian states….

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  207. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    …..Recovering Republican…..
    …..trail the rest of the nation on many social issues…
    …..Texas and other authoritarian states….
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  208. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m beginning to recall the pattern leading to your previous disappearance, bobby.

    Like a bad penny, eh?

  209. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m beginning to recall the pattern leading to your previous disappearance, bobby.
    Like a bad penny, eh?

  210. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Wagon and bonecrusher #22;

    LOL!

  211. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Wagon and bonecrusher #22;
    LOL!

  212. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    My point remains that in Texas and other authoritarian states, politicians do in fact perpetuate non-truths about their war on a plant. You’ve not offered anything to dispute that.

    No, I stated factually that politicians across the country have not legalized marijuana because their constituents do not want them to. You’ve offered nothing to dispute that.

    Then you brought in the totally unrelated topic of anti-miscegenation laws, the last of which was ruled unconstitutional almost a half a century ago, and provided incorrect information to back up your red herring.

    And your claim of “mob rule” is just as spurious. The very fact that those laws were ruled unconstitutional in 1967 is a demonstration as to how our government works for the most part.

  213. Hamous Avatar

    My point remains that in Texas and other authoritarian states, politicians do in fact perpetuate non-truths about their war on a plant. You’ve not offered anything to dispute that.

    No, I stated factually that politicians across the country have not legalized marijuana because their constituents do not want them to. You’ve offered nothing to dispute that.
    Then you brought in the totally unrelated topic of anti-miscegenation laws, the last of which was ruled unconstitutional almost a half a century ago, and provided incorrect information to back up your red herring.
    And your claim of “mob rule” is just as spurious. The very fact that those laws were ruled unconstitutional in 1967 is a demonstration as to how our government works for the most part.

  214. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #49;

    If you believe that’s what would happen, I’ve got some “coastal” land you might be interested in. ~200 acres when the tide’s out. you’ve gatewayed into some pretty heavy stuff.

    Fix it for ya’.

  215. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #49;

    If you believe that’s what would happen, I’ve got some “coastal” land you might be interested in. ~200 acres when the tide’s out. you’ve gatewayed into some pretty heavy stuff.

    Fix it for ya’.

  216. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #51;

    Low fat, not greasy, clean & neat…

    Then what’s the use?

  217. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #51;

    Low fat, not greasy, clean & neat…

    Then what’s the use?

  218. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Be sure to remind her that the “Shot heard ’round the world” @ Lexington and Concord was because the Redcoats were coming to take the guns that the milita had stored.

    Oh heck, one doesn’t have to go back before the Constitution to decipher the second amendment. 😉
    Look up the first and second Militia Acts of 1792. And if that doesn’t convince anyone of the purpose of the militia and the second amendment, look at the first use of the militia under the new Constitution. It was the first and last time that a President led troops in the field. All because some of the citizenry opposed the Federal government and refused to pay their Congressionally mandated tyranny taxes.

  219. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Be sure to remind her that the “Shot heard ’round the world” @ Lexington and Concord was because the Redcoats were coming to take the guns that the milita had stored.

    Oh heck, one doesn’t have to go back before the Constitution to decipher the second amendment. 😉
    Look up the first and second Militia Acts of 1792. And if that doesn’t convince anyone of the purpose of the militia and the second amendment, look at the first use of the militia under the new Constitution. It was the first and last time that a President led troops in the field. All because some of the citizenry opposed the Federal government and refused to pay their Congressionally mandated tyranny taxes.

  220. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    We got married in ’73. I had just re-enlisted in the Navy and got my $1500 re-enlistment bonus. That $1500 got me a Cathedral wedding, a polka band for the reception, the idiot bakery lost the wedding cake, I have no idea what a ‘groom cake’ is, and a honeymoon for two in Disneyworld where they were building the Country Bear jamboree.

    We’ve never looked back. 😉

  221. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    We got married in ’73. I had just re-enlisted in the Navy and got my $1500 re-enlistment bonus. That $1500 got me a Cathedral wedding, a polka band for the reception, the idiot bakery lost the wedding cake, I have no idea what a ‘groom cake’ is, and a honeymoon for two in Disneyworld where they were building the Country Bear jamboree.
    We’ve never looked back. 😉

  222. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #89 Hamous, as far as cowardice is concerned, would you like to see responses from republican politicians that I’ve received after inquiring if they would like to engage in a rational, factual conversation with a representative of LEAP?

    Like the one that got you banned, bob?

  223. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #89 Hamous, as far as cowardice is concerned, would you like to see responses from republican politicians that I’ve received after inquiring if they would like to engage in a rational, factual conversation with a representative of LEAP?

    Like the one that got you banned, bob?

  224. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    And it was for calling the headmaster a moral coward.

    Kinda like you’re calling Republicans of Texas. And many Texan conservatives by proxy.

  225. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    And it was for calling the headmaster a moral coward.
    Kinda like you’re calling Republicans of Texas. And many Texan conservatives by proxy.

  226. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon #111;

    I’m beginning to recall the pattern leading to your previous disappearance, bobby.

    I think that mental vibe is loose and awakening here.

  227. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon #111;

    I’m beginning to recall the pattern leading to your previous disappearance, bobby.

    I think that mental vibe is loose and awakening here.

  228. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Bob;

    Also, I recall you saying you’re goning to tone it down and only post on you family or something. Since then you’ve bashed the Republicans on gays and now on pot.

    What gives?

  229. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Bob;
    Also, I recall you saying you’re goning to tone it down and only post on you family or something. Since then you’ve bashed the Republicans on gays and now on pot.
    What gives?

  230. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I think if Texas legalized pot I’d still wanna fight to keep it illegal for bob to use.

  231. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I think if Texas legalized pot I’d still wanna fight to keep it illegal for bob to use.

  232. Dooood Avatar

    This is hilarious.

    Shamaal shows up and wants to argue the Michael Bellesiles case against the proper understanding of the Second Amendment. Bellesiles is still trying to resurrect his reputation and honor, but it’s probably too late for you, Shammie.

    The Right may periodically shoot themselves in the feet, but the Left is a perfectly concentric and exquisitely formed firing squad.

    Don’t let me interrupt you – do carry on….

  233. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This is hilarious.
    Shamaal shows up and wants to argue the Michael Bellesiles case against the proper understanding of the Second Amendment. Bellesiles is still trying to resurrect his reputation and honor, but it’s probably too late for you, Shammie.
    The Right may periodically shoot themselves in the feet, but the Left is a perfectly concentric and exquisitely formed firing squad.
    Don’t let me interrupt you – do carry on….

  234. Katfish Avatar

    where they were building the Country Bear jamboree

    Yer a real romeo.

  235. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    where they were building the Country Bear jamboree

    Yer a real romeo.

  236. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    According to the police report, kindergartner Salecia Johnson is accused of tearing items off the walls and throwing furniture.

    She was crying in the principal’s office at Creekside Elementary before police arrived Friday. The report says the girl knocked over a shelf that injured the principal. It also says she was seen biting the door knob of the office and jumping on the paper shredder. And, it says, she attempted to break a glass frame above the shredder.

    The report says when the officer tried to calm the child, she resisted and was cuffed.

    (snip)

    “A 6-year-old in kindergarten. They don’t have no business calling the police and handcuffing my child,” said Earnest Johnson, Salecia’s father.

    “Call the police? Is that the first step? Or is there any other kind of intervention that can be taken to help that child?” asked Candace Ruff.

    There’s some interventon the school could use but most likely they need to be trained on using the intervention and few teachers and administrators are. Home is a very different matter. There’s LOTS the parents can do to intervene, or rather, execute a punishment for her tantrum. But here’s the reported response of the mother in addition to the father’s “outrage” over the calling the police and cuffing his daughter:

    “She has mood swings some days, which all of us had mood swings some days. I guess that was just one of her bad days that day,” said Constance Ruff.

    “She might have misbehaved, but I don’t think she misbehaved to the point where she should have been handcuffed and taken downtown to the police department,” said her aunt, Candace Ruff.

    Is it me or does anyone else smell lack of discipline and expectation in the home?

    Milledgeville Police Handcuff 6-Year-Old Girl for Misbehaving at School

  237. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    According to the police report, kindergartner Salecia Johnson is accused of tearing items off the walls and throwing furniture.
    She was crying in the principal’s office at Creekside Elementary before police arrived Friday. The report says the girl knocked over a shelf that injured the principal. It also says she was seen biting the door knob of the office and jumping on the paper shredder. And, it says, she attempted to break a glass frame above the shredder.
    The report says when the officer tried to calm the child, she resisted and was cuffed.

    (snip)

    “A 6-year-old in kindergarten. They don’t have no business calling the police and handcuffing my child,” said Earnest Johnson, Salecia’s father.
    “Call the police? Is that the first step? Or is there any other kind of intervention that can be taken to help that child?” asked Candace Ruff.

    There’s some interventon the school could use but most likely they need to be trained on using the intervention and few teachers and administrators are. Home is a very different matter. There’s LOTS the parents can do to intervene, or rather, execute a punishment for her tantrum. But here’s the reported response of the mother in addition to the father’s “outrage” over the calling the police and cuffing his daughter:

    “She has mood swings some days, which all of us had mood swings some days. I guess that was just one of her bad days that day,” said Constance Ruff.
    “She might have misbehaved, but I don’t think she misbehaved to the point where she should have been handcuffed and taken downtown to the police department,” said her aunt, Candace Ruff.

    Is it me or does anyone else smell lack of discipline and expectation in the home?
    Milledgeville Police Handcuff 6-Year-Old Girl for Misbehaving at School

  238. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #123 texpat – ROFL! Hey! You better earn a PhD before you criticize the work of scholars like Shamaal!

  239. Hamous Avatar

    #123 texpat – ROFL! Hey! You better earn a PhD before you criticize the work of scholars like Shamaal!

  240. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oh, good grief!!!

    (Reuters) – The number of earthquakes in the central United States rose “spectacularly” near where oil and gas drillers disposed of wastewater underground, a process that may have caused geologic faults to slip, U.S. government geologists report.

    Human-made earthquakes reported in central U.S

  241. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oh, good grief!!!

    (Reuters) – The number of earthquakes in the central United States rose “spectacularly” near where oil and gas drillers disposed of wastewater underground, a process that may have caused geologic faults to slip, U.S. government geologists report.

    Human-made earthquakes reported in central U.S

  242. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I had to look up the name. I remember the story now, the guy fabricated numbers. If you want to argue the guy, I don’t see any merit in his position, sorry.

    For those unfamiliar with the issue Volokh has a pretty good resource list.

    United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) provides the best information.

  243. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    I had to look up the name. I remember the story now, the guy fabricated numbers. If you want to argue the guy, I don’t see any merit in his position, sorry.
    For those unfamiliar with the issue Volokh has a pretty good resource list.
    United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) provides the best information.

  244. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Yer a real romeo.

    Hey, she really liked that vacuum cleaner. 😉

  245. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Yer a real romeo.

    Hey, she really liked that vacuum cleaner. 😉

  246. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Heh heh. Too freakin’ funny. One ruse exposed. Let’s talk about sawed-off shotguns!

    At some point in the future, minorities, the only ones keeping “progressives” in power, are going to realize their elitist overseers have sold them a bill of goods. At that point all that smugness is going to be sucked past the event horizon, never to be heard from again. I just hope I’m around to witness it.

  247. Hamous Avatar

    Heh heh. Too freakin’ funny. One ruse exposed. Let’s talk about sawed-off shotguns!
    At some point in the future, minorities, the only ones keeping “progressives” in power, are going to realize their elitist overseers have sold them a bill of goods. At that point all that smugness is going to be sucked past the event horizon, never to be heard from again. I just hope I’m around to witness it.

  248. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Heh heh. Too freakin’ funny. One ruse exposed. Let’s talk about sawed-off shotguns!

    It’s Volokh’s recommendation, of course he may not be up on the topic as much as the revisionists. 😉

  249. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Heh heh. Too freakin’ funny. One ruse exposed. Let’s talk about sawed-off shotguns!

    It’s Volokh’s recommendation, of course he may not be up on the topic as much as the revisionists. 😉

  250. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Now, when Romney doesn’t get elected will the donor’s get their money back?

    Former Governor Mitt Romney is already offering top donors access to a special “Presidential Inaugural retreat,” planned on the assumption that he will be elected president this November.

  251. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Now, when Romney doesn’t get elected will the donor’s get their money back?

    Former Governor Mitt Romney is already offering top donors access to a special “Presidential Inaugural retreat,” planned on the assumption that he will be elected president this November.

  252. Dooood Avatar

    #126 Hamous

    Bellesiles had the very prestigious Bancroft Prize for history rescinded for fabricating his research on gun ownership and usage in the Early American era.

    I think we should create a prize for Shamaal so we can rescind it and then he and Michael can commiserate together.

  253. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #126 Hamous
    Bellesiles had the very prestigious Bancroft Prize for history rescinded for fabricating his research on gun ownership and usage in the Early American era.
    I think we should create a prize for Shamaal so we can rescind it and then he and Michael can commiserate together.

  254. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    As well he should have. He didn’t have a leg to stand on.
    Of course I’m always up for prizes, my closet is stuffed with the post#100 T Shirts. 😉

  255. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    As well he should have. He didn’t have a leg to stand on.
    Of course I’m always up for prizes, my closet is stuffed with the post#100 T Shirts. 😉

  256. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Lot of talk in the blogosphere about Mitt Romney putting his dog in a dog carrier on top of his car. A lot less talk about ths entry in Dreams From My Father

    H/T Daily Caller.

  257. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Lot of talk in the blogosphere about Mitt Romney putting his dog in a dog carrier on top of his car. A lot less talk about ths entry in Dreams From My Father
    H/T Daily Caller.

  258. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    This is an interesting idea. With the House’s recently displayed interest in getting to the bottom of things, maybe they can take an interest in the military.

    “I know there’s been a big debate within the Pentagon. We hear about it. We’re aware of it,” McConnell said, trying to simultaneously defend Ryan and not disrespect the nation’s top officers.
    If the senior-most Republican in the Senate knows of dissenters in the senior ranks, it’s time to produce them. Put them on the witness stand and roll tape. Under the protection of giving their “best military advice,” heretofore silent dissenters should tell the public why they oppose what the administration has put forth. This is national security, after all, and the nation is at war. McConnell’s and Ryan’s offices didn’t respond to queries, and conservative surrogates wouldn’t name names.

  259. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    This is an interesting idea. With the House’s recently displayed interest in getting to the bottom of things, maybe they can take an interest in the military.

    “I know there’s been a big debate within the Pentagon. We hear about it. We’re aware of it,” McConnell said, trying to simultaneously defend Ryan and not disrespect the nation’s top officers.
    If the senior-most Republican in the Senate knows of dissenters in the senior ranks, it’s time to produce them. Put them on the witness stand and roll tape. Under the protection of giving their “best military advice,” heretofore silent dissenters should tell the public why they oppose what the administration has put forth. This is national security, after all, and the nation is at war. McConnell’s and Ryan’s offices didn’t respond to queries, and conservative surrogates wouldn’t name names.

  260. Dooood Avatar

    Dave Kopel, former NYU law prof, attorney, author, researcher, Second Amendment scholar and blogger at the Volokh Conspiracy (oh ! and also a registered Democrat) wrote about the racist origins of Jim Crow gun control laws in the post-bellum South.

    Shockingly, the Jim Crow laws and legacy are lauded by some persons who consider themselves liberal and tolerant. In the 2010 Supreme Court case McDonald v. Chicago, Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that asserted that District of Columbia v. Heller should be overturned, and that state and local governments should be allowed to ban guns. Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg joined the dissent. That dissent included a litany of restrictive American gun control statutes and court cases, many of them the products of Jim Crow.

    Previous issues of America’s 1st Freedom have told the story of how the defeated Confederate states enacted the Black Codes, which explicitly restricted gun possession and carrying by the freedmen. Sometimes these laws facilitated the activities of the terrorist organization Ku Klux Klan, America’s first gun control organization. The top item on the Klan’s agenda was confiscating arms from the freedmen, the better to terrorize them afterward.

    Outraged, the Reconstruction Congress responded with the Freedmen’s Bureau Bill, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1870—every one of them aimed at racial subordination in general and racist gun control laws in particular.

    President Ulysses S. Grant (1869-77), who would later serve as president of the National Rifle Association, vigorously prosecuted Klansmen, and even declared martial law when necessary to suppress KKK violence.

    Reconstruction formally ended in 1877 with the inauguration of President Rutherford B. Hayes and the withdrawal of federal troops from the South. Even before that, white supremacist “redeemer” governments had taken over one Southern state after another.

  261. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Dave Kopel, former NYU law prof, attorney, author, researcher, Second Amendment scholar and blogger at the Volokh Conspiracy (oh ! and also a registered Democrat) wrote about the racist origins of Jim Crow gun control laws in the post-bellum South.

    Shockingly, the Jim Crow laws and legacy are lauded by some persons who consider themselves liberal and tolerant. In the 2010 Supreme Court case McDonald v. Chicago, Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that asserted that District of Columbia v. Heller should be overturned, and that state and local governments should be allowed to ban guns. Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg joined the dissent. That dissent included a litany of restrictive American gun control statutes and court cases, many of them the products of Jim Crow.
    Previous issues of America’s 1st Freedom have told the story of how the defeated Confederate states enacted the Black Codes, which explicitly restricted gun possession and carrying by the freedmen. Sometimes these laws facilitated the activities of the terrorist organization Ku Klux Klan, America’s first gun control organization. The top item on the Klan’s agenda was confiscating arms from the freedmen, the better to terrorize them afterward.
    Outraged, the Reconstruction Congress responded with the Freedmen’s Bureau Bill, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1870—every one of them aimed at racial subordination in general and racist gun control laws in particular.
    President Ulysses S. Grant (1869-77), who would later serve as president of the National Rifle Association, vigorously prosecuted Klansmen, and even declared martial law when necessary to suppress KKK violence.
    Reconstruction formally ended in 1877 with the inauguration of President Rutherford B. Hayes and the withdrawal of federal troops from the South. Even before that, white supremacist “redeemer” governments had taken over one Southern state after another.

  262. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It’s Volokh’s recommendation

    Of course it is. The point is it doesn’t provide any legal ammo to support yours and Bellesiles argument.

  263. Hamous Avatar

    It’s Volokh’s recommendation

    Of course it is. The point is it doesn’t provide any legal ammo to support yours and Bellesiles argument.

  264. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Again, sorry; my only interest was in the militia discussion.

    texpat brought up Bellesiles counting guns and Jim Crow gun control laws.

  265. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Again, sorry; my only interest was in the militia discussion.
    texpat brought up Bellesiles counting guns and Jim Crow gun control laws.

  266. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #40 Simple Simon

    1800 out of 309 million people (population of the U.S.). What is that almost 0.0006% ?

    And 3600% of the number of voter fraud cases in Texas in a decade. 😉

  267. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #40 Simple Simon

    1800 out of 309 million people (population of the U.S.). What is that almost 0.0006% ?

    And 3600% of the number of voter fraud cases in Texas in a decade. 😉

  268. Dooood Avatar

    #141 shamaal

    No one knows what the total amount of ballot box fraud may be for the last decade, or beyond, in Texas might be because no one has been paying attention to it.

    If there had been nobody tallying the number of burglaries in Texas since 2000, we wouldn’t know that today either.

  269. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #141 shamaal
    No one knows what the total amount of ballot box fraud may be for the last decade, or beyond, in Texas might be because no one has been paying attention to it.
    If there had been nobody tallying the number of burglaries in Texas since 2000, we wouldn’t know that today either.

  270. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #138 texpat

    OK, I’ll nibble a little.
    from your link:

    The Texas Legislature imposed a 50 percent gross receipts tax on the sale of handguns. An intermediate court of appeals upheld the punitive tax (Caswell & Smith v. State, Tex. Civil App., 1912). The court reasoned that handguns, like alcohol, are socially harmful and therefore may be taxed severely. The court added in dicta that prohibiting the sale of handguns would not violate the state constitution.

    This is an interesting line of reasoning as the article is making the point about Jim Crow laws and gun control. Are you or the author making the claim that Texas passed a punitive handgun tax that was only applicable to blacks?

  271. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #138 texpat
    OK, I’ll nibble a little.
    from your link:

    The Texas Legislature imposed a 50 percent gross receipts tax on the sale of handguns. An intermediate court of appeals upheld the punitive tax (Caswell & Smith v. State, Tex. Civil App., 1912). The court reasoned that handguns, like alcohol, are socially harmful and therefore may be taxed severely. The court added in dicta that prohibiting the sale of handguns would not violate the state constitution.

    This is an interesting line of reasoning as the article is making the point about Jim Crow laws and gun control. Are you or the author making the claim that Texas passed a punitive handgun tax that was only applicable to blacks?

  272. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Stock up your bomb shelters with Twinkies. Workers say they will strike if the court throws out Hostess contracts. Both sides know that will kill the company. How does a company rack up $1.9B in unfunded pension obligations? That’s a lot of Ding Dongs.

    Hostess Brands, which makes Ding Dongs and a variety of other sweet treats, is asking the bankruptcy court in White Plains, N.Y. to tear up labor agreements, which would, among other things, allow Hostess to change how it funds union pensions. The hearing is expected to last two days.

  273. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Stock up your bomb shelters with Twinkies. Workers say they will strike if the court throws out Hostess contracts. Both sides know that will kill the company. How does a company rack up $1.9B in unfunded pension obligations? That’s a lot of Ding Dongs.

    Hostess Brands, which makes Ding Dongs and a variety of other sweet treats, is asking the bankruptcy court in White Plains, N.Y. to tear up labor agreements, which would, among other things, allow Hostess to change how it funds union pensions. The hearing is expected to last two days.

  274. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge #136;

    Mmmmmmmmm, dog meat. 🙂

    Good find.

  275. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge #136;
    Mmmmmmmmm, dog meat. 🙂
    Good find.

  276. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge;

    this is a funny follow up I just spotted:

    Bad news: Obama used to eat dog meat; Update: Romney, Obama staff now arguing over dog-eating on Twitter

    LOL, both campaigns using tweets to argue over eating dogmeat. That’s a new one.

  277. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge;
    this is a funny follow up I just spotted:
    Bad news: Obama used to eat dog meat; Update: Romney, Obama staff now arguing over dog-eating on Twitter
    LOL, both campaigns using tweets to argue over eating dogmeat. That’s a new one.

  278. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    If you want a freind in DC, get a dog. Just keep him away from Obama.

    We thought Obama was a Muslim. Turns out he’s Commanche.

    Mitt Romney was a jerk with dogs. Obama likes dog jerky.

  279. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    If you want a freind in DC, get a dog. Just keep him away from Obama.
    We thought Obama was a Muslim. Turns out he’s Commanche.
    Mitt Romney was a jerk with dogs. Obama likes dog jerky.

  280. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    This is currently on Hot Air labeled “dumbest Taliban ever”

    Taliban commander turns self in… for reward on ‘Wanted’ poster

    Mohammad Ashan, a mid-level Taliban commander in Paktika province, strolled toward a police checkpoint in the district of Sar Howza with a wanted poster bearing his own face. He demanded the finder’s fee referenced on the poster: $100.

    Afghan officials, perplexed by the man’s misguided motives, arrested him on the spot. Ashan is suspected of plotting at least two attacks on Afghan security forces. His misdeeds prompted officials to plaster the district with hundreds of so-called “Be on the Lookout” posters emblazoned with his name and likeness.

    When U.S. troops went to confirm that Ashan had in fact come forward to claim the finder’s fee, they were initially incredulous.

    “We asked him, ‘Is this you?’ Mohammad Ashan answered with an incredible amount of enthusiasm, ‘Yes, yes, that’s me! Can I get my award now?’” recalled SPC Matthew Baker.

    Thanks for the heads up there, Mohammad.

  281. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    This is currently on Hot Air labeled “dumbest Taliban ever”
    Taliban commander turns self in… for reward on ‘Wanted’ poster

    Mohammad Ashan, a mid-level Taliban commander in Paktika province, strolled toward a police checkpoint in the district of Sar Howza with a wanted poster bearing his own face. He demanded the finder’s fee referenced on the poster: $100.
    Afghan officials, perplexed by the man’s misguided motives, arrested him on the spot. Ashan is suspected of plotting at least two attacks on Afghan security forces. His misdeeds prompted officials to plaster the district with hundreds of so-called “Be on the Lookout” posters emblazoned with his name and likeness.
    When U.S. troops went to confirm that Ashan had in fact come forward to claim the finder’s fee, they were initially incredulous.
    “We asked him, ‘Is this you?’ Mohammad Ashan answered with an incredible amount of enthusiasm, ‘Yes, yes, that’s me! Can I get my award now?’” recalled SPC Matthew Baker.

    Thanks for the heads up there, Mohammad.

  282. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Mitt Romney was a jerk with dogs.

    How so?

  283. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Mitt Romney was a jerk with dogs.

    How so?

  284. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Mitt Romney was a jerk with dogs. Obama likes dog jerky.

    LOL 😉

  285. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Mitt Romney was a jerk with dogs. Obama likes dog jerky.

    LOL 😉

  286. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Play along, Darren. Its comedy.

    I hate to hound Obama. I admire he and Michelle’s dogged determination to be an example showing our children on how to eat right.

  287. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Play along, Darren. Its comedy.
    I hate to hound Obama. I admire he and Michelle’s dogged determination to be an example showing our children on how to eat right.

  288. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Obama lkes a little whine with his meals.

    Ewell Gibbons ate twigs. Obama eats bark.

  289. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Obama lkes a little whine with his meals.
    Ewell Gibbons ate twigs. Obama eats bark.

  290. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Next White House dinner features, Slab of Lab, a ration of Dalmatian, a snippet of Whippet and Poodles with Noodles.

  291. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Next White House dinner features, Slab of Lab, a ration of Dalmatian, a snippet of Whippet and Poodles with Noodles.

  292. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #104 Lurk

    (“surely” for you grammar nuts, “shore” for the Deep South types)

    “Fo shizzle” for the rest of us.

  293. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #104 Lurk

    (“surely” for you grammar nuts, “shore” for the Deep South types)

    “Fo shizzle” for the rest of us.

  294. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Obama gives the term “Wag the dog” a whole new meaning.

  295. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Obama gives the term “Wag the dog” a whole new meaning.

  296. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Or, more correctly, wagyu dog.

  297. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Or, more correctly, wagyu dog.

  298. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Next White House dinner features, Slab of Lab, a ration of Dalmatian, a snippet of Whippet and Poodles with Noodles.

    LOL!

    (And gotchya Sarge)

  299. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Next White House dinner features, Slab of Lab, a ration of Dalmatian, a snippet of Whippet and Poodles with Noodles.

    LOL!
    (And gotchya Sarge)

  300. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I think we now know why Obama’s been barking up the wrong ecomonic tree.

    (Was that good?)

  301. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I think we now know why Obama’s been barking up the wrong ecomonic tree.
    (Was that good?)

  302. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Romney may be German but Obama’s a Sheppard.

  303. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Romney may be German but Obama’s a Sheppard.

  304. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    HERE’S Obama teaching his kids how to play with their food.

  305. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    HERE’S Obama teaching his kids how to play with their food.

  306. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Now we know why it took him six months to pick the right dog.

    He’s a picky eater.

  307. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Now we know why it took him six months to pick the right dog.
    He’s a picky eater.

  308. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    He likes German Shepard’s pie.

  309. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    He likes German Shepard’s pie.

  310. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Now we know why the media didn’t want to vet him. Veterinarians won’t go near him.

  311. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Now we know why the media didn’t want to vet him. Veterinarians won’t go near him.

  312. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Sarge: down, boy.

    Nite all.

  313. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Sarge: down, boy.
    Nite all.

  314. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Dog meat is here.

  315. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Dog meat is here.

  316. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Having closely examined Max The Beagle, and though he is in his prime, I have determined he doesn’t have much of a ribeye.

  317. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Having closely examined Max The Beagle, and though he is in his prime, I have determined he doesn’t have much of a ribeye.

  318. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    SOLYNDRA GREEN is PUPPIES!!!!!

  319. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    SOLYNDRA GREEN is PUPPIES!!!!!

  320. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But now we know he’s qualified to be dog catcher.

  321. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But now we know he’s qualified to be dog catcher.

  322. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Well, we can’t say that Obama screwed the pooch anymore.

    That’s because Obama ate it.

  323. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Well, we can’t say that Obama screwed the pooch anymore.
    That’s because Obama ate it.

  324. bob42 Avatar

    111 Shannon

    I’m beginning to recall the pattern leading to your previous disappearance, bobby.

    So do I. It was exactly a year ago today (4/20) that your “not-so-benevolent dictator” spent hours, not engaging an a rational or factual discussion, but instead using his blog-monkey authoritah to jack with nearly every comment I made. At the time I thought it was childish but funny. Eventually I tired of his game, and mentioned that out of respect for the insulur nature of the blog he owns, I’d cease commenting on the topic upon request. He then not-so cordually invited not to comment at all. In Hamous’ s own words, he “kinda started it.”

    119 Darren

    And it was for calling the headmaster a moral coward.

    Kinda like you’re calling Republicans of Texas. And many Texan conservatives by proxy.

    Yup, I interpret feigned ambivalence as tacit support, and I call a spade a spade whether it’s a hypersensative self proclaimed blog-monkey, dishonest parasitical professional politicans, or the willfully ignorant portion of their shrinking constituancy that believe their immoral garbage without question.

    113 Hamous

    My point remains that in Texas and other authoritarian states, politicians do in fact perpetuate non-truths about their war on a plant. You’ve not offered anything to dispute that.

    No, I stated factually that politicians across the country have not legalized marijuana because their constituents do not want them to. You’ve offered nothing to dispute that.

    I disputed that by pointing out that some politicians purposefully lie to their constituants to keep myths going; creating a boogie-man under the bed that the voters need to be protected from. This was also true of the battle to end prohibition of mixed race marriages. Throughout the 50’s and 60s, politicians in some states pandered to racist bigots to perpetuate immoral mob-rule based laws. That makes bringing it up a vaid point to refute your support and lame explanation for a mob-rule political system, whether you choose to recognize it or not.

    Then you brought in the totally unrelated topic of anti-miscegenation laws, the last of which was ruled unconstitutional almost a half a century ago, and provided incorrect information to back up your red herring.

    And your claim of “mob rule” is just as spurious. The very fact that those laws were ruled unconstitutional in 1967 is a demonstration as to how our government works for the most part.

    The system works eventually, particularlily when pandering politicians are overridden by a judicial system that actually respects a constitutionally limited government, and the inherent rights of everyone that are also recognized in that document. The pandering parasites did not give up without a fight then, or now.

    Not only was my mention of mixed-race unions pertinant, it is far from unique. Also in the ’60s, it took a series of no less than 5 supreme court rulings before birth control pills could legally be obtained by all women, without regard for recognized marital status, or written permission from her husband. This sounds ridiculous these days, but we recently had a republican presidential hopeful that supported “states rights” to entirely ban birth control, but didn’t support states rights when he said that when elected, he would “annull” all same sex unions by force of federal government. This blatant hypocrisy is part of my basis for my vocal disdain of the social conservative authoritairan fringe of the republican party. It’s not personal, Hamous, but you can take it that way if you like.

  325. bob42 Avatar

    111 Shannon

    I’m beginning to recall the pattern leading to your previous disappearance, bobby.

    So do I. It was exactly a year ago today (4/20) that your “not-so-benevolent dictator” spent hours, not engaging an a rational or factual discussion, but instead using his blog-monkey authoritah to jack with nearly every comment I made. At the time I thought it was childish but funny. Eventually I tired of his game, and mentioned that out of respect for the insulur nature of the blog he owns, I’d cease commenting on the topic upon request. He then not-so cordually invited not to comment at all. In Hamous’ s own words, he “kinda started it.”
    119 Darren

    And it was for calling the headmaster a moral coward.
    Kinda like you’re calling Republicans of Texas. And many Texan conservatives by proxy.

    Yup, I interpret feigned ambivalence as tacit support, and I call a spade a spade whether it’s a hypersensative self proclaimed blog-monkey, dishonest parasitical professional politicans, or the willfully ignorant portion of their shrinking constituancy that believe their immoral garbage without question.
    113 Hamous

    My point remains that in Texas and other authoritarian states, politicians do in fact perpetuate non-truths about their war on a plant. You’ve not offered anything to dispute that.

    No, I stated factually that politicians across the country have not legalized marijuana because their constituents do not want them to. You’ve offered nothing to dispute that.

    I disputed that by pointing out that some politicians purposefully lie to their constituants to keep myths going; creating a boogie-man under the bed that the voters need to be protected from. This was also true of the battle to end prohibition of mixed race marriages. Throughout the 50’s and 60s, politicians in some states pandered to racist bigots to perpetuate immoral mob-rule based laws. That makes bringing it up a vaid point to refute your support and lame explanation for a mob-rule political system, whether you choose to recognize it or not.

    Then you brought in the totally unrelated topic of anti-miscegenation laws, the last of which was ruled unconstitutional almost a half a century ago, and provided incorrect information to back up your red herring.
    And your claim of “mob rule” is just as spurious. The very fact that those laws were ruled unconstitutional in 1967 is a demonstration as to how our government works for the most part.

    The system works eventually, particularlily when pandering politicians are overridden by a judicial system that actually respects a constitutionally limited government, and the inherent rights of everyone that are also recognized in that document. The pandering parasites did not give up without a fight then, or now.
    Not only was my mention of mixed-race unions pertinant, it is far from unique. Also in the ’60s, it took a series of no less than 5 supreme court rulings before birth control pills could legally be obtained by all women, without regard for recognized marital status, or written permission from her husband. This sounds ridiculous these days, but we recently had a republican presidential hopeful that supported “states rights” to entirely ban birth control, but didn’t support states rights when he said that when elected, he would “annull” all same sex unions by force of federal government. This blatant hypocrisy is part of my basis for my vocal disdain of the social conservative authoritairan fringe of the republican party. It’s not personal, Hamous, but you can take it that way if you like.

  326. bob42 Avatar

    121 Darren

    Also, I recall you saying you’re goning to tone it down and only post on you family or something. Since then you’ve bashed the Republicans on gays and now on pot.

    What gives?

    I’m multi-talented and multitasking. I’m very proud of my intelligent, critical thinking daughters as well as my ‘adopted’ kids that are finally flying solo (and under the radar.) At the same time I still adamantly and vocally oppose government policies that waste money, are unnecessary, and do measurable harm to people.

    On the romance front, Miss West Texas and I are getting along splendidly, and are going to Austin, then Amarillo for a few days so I can meet more of her family. In May, we’re headed to Tucson for a couple of weeks on a mixed business/pleasure trip.

    Assuming I’m still allowed to participate here, I do expect it to be less frequently. And if my login is iced again, I actually prefer to play to a larger crowd. It’s not like I have reason to give a flying…

    122 Darren

    I think if Texas legalized pot I’d still wanna fight to keep it illegal for bob to use.

    I credit you with yet another coffee spew, Darren. That was funny, and a classic use of irony as a comedic device. I enjoy interacting with someone with a sense of humor.

    Also, even though I disagree with you, I’ll restate my admiration for your nearly unique display of honesty here in regard to your perceived source of your justification for supporting a powerful, intrusive, sociallly conservative government. As Trey Parker and Matt Stone put it, “Yes, the Mormons were right.” 😉

  327. bob42 Avatar

    121 Darren

    Also, I recall you saying you’re goning to tone it down and only post on you family or something. Since then you’ve bashed the Republicans on gays and now on pot.
    What gives?

    I’m multi-talented and multitasking. I’m very proud of my intelligent, critical thinking daughters as well as my ‘adopted’ kids that are finally flying solo (and under the radar.) At the same time I still adamantly and vocally oppose government policies that waste money, are unnecessary, and do measurable harm to people.
    On the romance front, Miss West Texas and I are getting along splendidly, and are going to Austin, then Amarillo for a few days so I can meet more of her family. In May, we’re headed to Tucson for a couple of weeks on a mixed business/pleasure trip.
    Assuming I’m still allowed to participate here, I do expect it to be less frequently. And if my login is iced again, I actually prefer to play to a larger crowd. It’s not like I have reason to give a flying…
    122 Darren

    I think if Texas legalized pot I’d still wanna fight to keep it illegal for bob to use.

    I credit you with yet another coffee spew, Darren. That was funny, and a classic use of irony as a comedic device. I enjoy interacting with someone with a sense of humor.
    Also, even though I disagree with you, I’ll restate my admiration for your nearly unique display of honesty here in regard to your perceived source of your justification for supporting a powerful, intrusive, sociallly conservative government. As Trey Parker and Matt Stone put it, “Yes, the Mormons were right.” 😉

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