Hambone v3.0

Monsters Among Us

Presented without comment because, honestly, I don’t know what to say:

Abstract

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus’ health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.

Even the Jefferson quote I usually use in situations like this seems woefully inadequate.

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  1. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I heard this on the radio yesterday. Incomprehensible “logic”.

  2. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I heard this on the radio yesterday. Incomprehensible “logic”.

  3. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Our Dear Leader supported infanticide before he was elected, so this should serve as no surprise – they are just trying to develop some spin to sell to the great unwashed when the issue comes up again at election time.

  4. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Our Dear Leader supported infanticide before he was elected, so this should serve as no surprise – they are just trying to develop some spin to sell to the great unwashed when the issue comes up again at election time.

  5. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    These people are the moral equivalent of Josef Mengele. They should be tried, found guilty, and hung by the neck until they are dead for crimes against humanity.

  6. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    These people are the moral equivalent of Josef Mengele. They should be tried, found guilty, and hung by the neck until they are dead for crimes against humanity.

  7. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    OK Drs. Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva, I hereby declare you both to be a bane to society and I give you permission to self terminate. I was going to say “/sarc off”, but then I would be lying!

  8. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    OK Drs. Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva, I hereby declare you both to be a bane to society and I give you permission to self terminate. I was going to say “/sarc off”, but then I would be lying!

  9. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    In the finest ancient Chinese/Mongol tradition: Four horses and four ropes, facing opposite directions, and in the middle a scientific study of tensile strength….

  10. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    In the finest ancient Chinese/Mongol tradition: Four horses and four ropes, facing opposite directions, and in the middle a scientific study of tensile strength….

  11. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    This highlights an issue I have asked many pro-abortion people about and have never gotten a coherent answer. What is the bright line at which a human being is created/formed? By now most everyone knows exactly where I believe it is: the moment of conception.

    The thing with any other point in the developmental process is that there is no significant difference in development, form, ability, etc. between one minute and the one immediately preceding or following it. Some say the end of the first trimester, to which I ask exactly when that might be, since there is significant variation in development rates from one baby to the next. Besides, exactly when do we start the clock?

    Similar problems arise for those who choose any other time during gestation. Even birth presents problems. Exactly how much of the baby must be born before it is declared to be human? What about birth via caesarian section?

    Finally, the ghoulish notion of allowing infanticide is yet one more move down the slippery slope toward active euthanasia, i.e. determining that another’s life is not worth living anymore. Where is the line beyond which these ghouls will no longer allow themselves to act on their beliefs? 1 week? 3 months? a year? We don’t know. It is but a short step from there to deciding that an Alzheimer’s patient is no longer worth caring for and should be put down.

    Their thought process and beliefs should receive the greatest possible scorn and disgust. Even more than they would normally heap upon someone who uses the term “n****r” at a high-society cocktail party.

  12. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    This highlights an issue I have asked many pro-abortion people about and have never gotten a coherent answer. What is the bright line at which a human being is created/formed? By now most everyone knows exactly where I believe it is: the moment of conception.
    The thing with any other point in the developmental process is that there is no significant difference in development, form, ability, etc. between one minute and the one immediately preceding or following it. Some say the end of the first trimester, to which I ask exactly when that might be, since there is significant variation in development rates from one baby to the next. Besides, exactly when do we start the clock?
    Similar problems arise for those who choose any other time during gestation. Even birth presents problems. Exactly how much of the baby must be born before it is declared to be human? What about birth via caesarian section?
    Finally, the ghoulish notion of allowing infanticide is yet one more move down the slippery slope toward active euthanasia, i.e. determining that another’s life is not worth living anymore. Where is the line beyond which these ghouls will no longer allow themselves to act on their beliefs? 1 week? 3 months? a year? We don’t know. It is but a short step from there to deciding that an Alzheimer’s patient is no longer worth caring for and should be put down.
    Their thought process and beliefs should receive the greatest possible scorn and disgust. Even more than they would normally heap upon someone who uses the term “n****r” at a high-society cocktail party.

  13. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    How many days/months/years will this “delayed abortion” be legal?

  14. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    How many days/months/years will this “delayed abortion” be legal?

  15. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I seem to recall a “medical ethicist” by the name of Sanger at Haaahhhvahd who said it was OK to kill a 3 year old.

    Abortion is a human sacrifice on the altar of convenience to the pagan god feminism.

  16. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I seem to recall a “medical ethicist” by the name of Sanger at Haaahhhvahd who said it was OK to kill a 3 year old.
    Abortion is a human sacrifice on the altar of convenience to the pagan god feminism.

  17. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    And feminism was a cover for “convenience”.

  18. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    And feminism was a cover for “convenience”.

  19. timdenchanter Avatar
    timdenchanter

    Here is an in-duh-vidual, a future lawyer and probably Senator, who wants you to pay for her birth control. As a law student, she cannot afford birth control and does not have enough common sense to simply keep her girdle on. One commenter did the math on her demands and calculated that this waste of air is bonking an average of 2.74 times per day, every single day for three years. No wonder she is like this, she has literally humped her brains out! Don’t you know her parents are proud of her. Yet another sign of the times in which we live.

  20. timdenchanter Avatar
    timdenchanter

    Here is an in-duh-vidual, a future lawyer and probably Senator, who wants you to pay for her birth control. As a law student, she cannot afford birth control and does not have enough common sense to simply keep her girdle on. One commenter did the math on her demands and calculated that this waste of air is bonking an average of 2.74 times per day, every single day for three years. No wonder she is like this, she has literally humped her brains out! Don’t you know her parents are proud of her. Yet another sign of the times in which we live.

  21. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #10 TimD: With activity like that one has to wonder “what’s the catch of the day?”

  22. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #10 TimD: With activity like that one has to wonder “what’s the catch of the day?”

  23. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    IMO, a not very well written satire attempted in the vein of A Modest Proposal, advocating the consumption of Irish Children

  24. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    IMO, a not very well written satire attempted in the vein of A Modest Proposal, advocating the consumption of Irish Children

  25. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    One commenter did the math on her demands and calculated that this waste of air is bonking an average of 2.74 times per day, every single day for three years.

    And yet you thought this was a reasonable number? What kind of women do you hang around with? That’s a rhetorical question.
    There’s a waste of air involved here, and its reproductive organs aren’t on the inside.
    However, take comfort that Rush Limbaugh has already called her a slut.

    FWIW, BC Pills are $15-$50/month or $600/year times five years that’s $3000. And not once does she have to open her legs.

  26. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    One commenter did the math on her demands and calculated that this waste of air is bonking an average of 2.74 times per day, every single day for three years.

    And yet you thought this was a reasonable number? What kind of women do you hang around with? That’s a rhetorical question.
    There’s a waste of air involved here, and its reproductive organs aren’t on the inside.
    However, take comfort that Rush Limbaugh has already called her a slut.
    FWIW, BC Pills are $15-$50/month or $600/year times five years that’s $3000. And not once does she have to open her legs.

  27. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    FWIW, BC Pills are $15-$50/month or $600/year times five years that’s $3000. And not once does she have to open her legs.

    She can prolly get them for virtually nothing at the local free clinic. Besides, why should someone else have to pay for her recreational drugs?

    btw – $15/mo for three years (law school) = $180/yr = $480/3yr. Hardly a bank-breaker, especially someone who can somehow manage Georgetown Law and living in DC.

  28. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    FWIW, BC Pills are $15-$50/month or $600/year times five years that’s $3000. And not once does she have to open her legs.

    She can prolly get them for virtually nothing at the local free clinic. Besides, why should someone else have to pay for her recreational drugs?
    btw – $15/mo for three years (law school) = $180/yr = $480/3yr. Hardly a bank-breaker, especially someone who can somehow manage Georgetown Law and living in DC.

  29. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Absolutely right, for insurance companies with billion dollar profits, this is a drop in the bucket.

    Besides, why should someone else have to pay for her recreational drugs?

    But you’re right, perhaps if insurance companies hadn’t added free Viagra, this wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

  30. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Absolutely right, for insurance companies with billion dollar profits, this is a drop in the bucket.

    Besides, why should someone else have to pay for her recreational drugs?

    But you’re right, perhaps if insurance companies hadn’t added free Viagra, this wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

  31. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    All I have to say is that this country was founded on Christian values, and the reason that it has been so sucessful is because we’ve always been on the side of goodness and the good Lord appreciated that, that said, ANY country that murders millions of unborn babies, leagal BTW, can’t continue to be blessed by God. Just my two cents. 🙁

  32. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    All I have to say is that this country was founded on Christian values, and the reason that it has been so sucessful is because we’ve always been on the side of goodness and the good Lord appreciated that, that said, ANY country that murders millions of unborn babies, leagal BTW, can’t continue to be blessed by God. Just my two cents. 🙁

  33. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    But you’re right, perhaps if insurance companies hadn’t added free Viagra, this wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

    Nice try, people pay for insurance and the coverage they receive. She wants the taxpayers to pay for her ability to “play” whenever she wants. She would be better served hitting the books instead of the sheets.

  34. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    But you’re right, perhaps if insurance companies hadn’t added free Viagra, this wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

    Nice try, people pay for insurance and the coverage they receive. She wants the taxpayers to pay for her ability to “play” whenever she wants. She would be better served hitting the books instead of the sheets.

  35. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #15 sham
    Don’t know what kind of gold-plated medical plan you have, but the one I have (which is very generous) doesn’t have any free medications. The cheapest prescriptions to fill are the generics that can be as low as $5-10 for a two-week course. Anything that is not a generic is fairly expensive – $50 or more.

  36. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #15 sham
    Don’t know what kind of gold-plated medical plan you have, but the one I have (which is very generous) doesn’t have any free medications. The cheapest prescriptions to fill are the generics that can be as low as $5-10 for a two-week course. Anything that is not a generic is fairly expensive – $50 or more.

  37. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    My question: Since when was sex mandatory? The Dems are trying to make sexual activity as necessary as breathing or eliminating waste. I mean, even in a marriage, if a baby is not wanted, the couple can abstain from sex if necessary. I don’t know of anyone who died from lack of sex. Unless the sexual frustration caused a guy to take his gun and shoot someone, maybe.

  38. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    My question: Since when was sex mandatory? The Dems are trying to make sexual activity as necessary as breathing or eliminating waste. I mean, even in a marriage, if a baby is not wanted, the couple can abstain from sex if necessary. I don’t know of anyone who died from lack of sex. Unless the sexual frustration caused a guy to take his gun and shoot someone, maybe.

  39. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    companies with billion dollar profits

    And what is the actual percentage of return. If you invest trillions in research for drugs that don’t work out and therefore lose that investment. What is the actual profit – rate of return on the money invested in R and D? You profess to know a lot about business, how much does your firm spend on wasted/lost projects?

  40. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    companies with billion dollar profits

    And what is the actual percentage of return. If you invest trillions in research for drugs that don’t work out and therefore lose that investment. What is the actual profit – rate of return on the money invested in R and D? You profess to know a lot about business, how much does your firm spend on wasted/lost projects?

  41. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Here’s a little more on the efforts underway to justify the disgusting practice of infanticide:
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/02/the-case-for-infanticide.php

  42. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Here’s a little more on the efforts underway to justify the disgusting practice of infanticide:
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/02/the-case-for-infanticide.php

  43. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Unless the sexual frustration caused a guy to take his gun and shoot someone,

    Every man knows Ms. Right….

    and if he gets tired, Ms. Left.
    🙂

  44. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Unless the sexual frustration caused a guy to take his gun and shoot someone,

    Every man knows Ms. Right….
    and if he gets tired, Ms. Left.
    🙂

  45. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #16 dave
    I’m with you on that. The Old Testament is loaded with multiple examples of Israel not living up to their end of the covenant with God, then God showing what happens without his help, with Israel getting conquered, thrown into exile or otherwise punished. Eventually, God raises up a king to lead Israel back into righteousness and prosperity.

    Guess where it looks like we are now?

  46. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #16 dave
    I’m with you on that. The Old Testament is loaded with multiple examples of Israel not living up to their end of the covenant with God, then God showing what happens without his help, with Israel getting conquered, thrown into exile or otherwise punished. Eventually, God raises up a king to lead Israel back into righteousness and prosperity.
    Guess where it looks like we are now?

  47. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    In regards to the actual topic of this thread, I think these people are very, very sad and have no concept of the value of life and all the possiblilities it offers. I cannot begin to understand their twisted sense of logic.

  48. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    In regards to the actual topic of this thread, I think these people are very, very sad and have no concept of the value of life and all the possiblilities it offers. I cannot begin to understand their twisted sense of logic.

  49. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #21 EL Gordo

    Here’s a little more on the efforts underway to justify the disgusting practice of infanticide:

    Thank you for reposting the article at the top of the page in a new way.

    My question: Since when was sex mandatory?

    Since when did access to birth control mean that sex is occurring? Granted Tim’s commenter has this testifier counting ceiling tiles 2.74 times a day, doesn’t really mean that it is happening, except in Tim’s fantasy world.

    I mean, even in a marriage, if a baby is not wanted, the couple can abstain from sex if necessary.

    And in America a couple can choose to use birth control or not as dictated by their conscience.

  50. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    #21 EL Gordo

    Here’s a little more on the efforts underway to justify the disgusting practice of infanticide:

    Thank you for reposting the article at the top of the page in a new way.

    My question: Since when was sex mandatory?

    Since when did access to birth control mean that sex is occurring? Granted Tim’s commenter has this testifier counting ceiling tiles 2.74 times a day, doesn’t really mean that it is happening, except in Tim’s fantasy world.

    I mean, even in a marriage, if a baby is not wanted, the couple can abstain from sex if necessary.

    And in America a couple can choose to use birth control or not as dictated by their conscience.

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