Thursday Recall Open Comments

The Wisconsin recall vote has become ground zero in the war of the Unions vs. The People.
First, the governor and the legislature make changes in order to save the state from bankruptcy, which makes the unions angry because they have to, you know, make SACRIFICES. Of course, being union disqualifies you from having to suffer through this recession/depression, like everyone else. Long live pensions! Long live job protections! Long live fully paid benefits! Long live wage increases!
When the recall petitions were finally submitted with a the much-touted “over a million” signatures, there were questions raised. The Government Accountability Board (coff, coff) stated that they would take any signature as long as there was a legitimate address listed. Hello, Donald Duck and Adolph Hitler!
Then True the Vote stepped up and wanted to help out with the gargantuan task of verifying the signatures. They are assisting the WiGOL (Wisconsin Grandsons of Liberty) and WTOPTR (We the People of the Republic). The effort, dubbed Verify the Recall, has requested for help from all over the country. Volunteers can input data from the PDF files from their own homes. And donate to the cause from their own homes, as well. I don’t think the GAB had counted on such outside, organized assistance for the recall targets. The GAB decided not to release the petition lists, claiming “privacy” issues. The “privacy” issue didn’t come up in previous recall efforts. Hmmmm…. The public outcry made them change their minds, so now the petitions are available in PDF format, meaning that the names must all be entered by hand into the VTR database.
Almost immediately, problems with the signatures began cropping up.
Now, the GAB has decided it will not review any information provided by Verify the Recall, stating that it will only accept information from the campaigns themselves.

GAB Director and General Counsel Kevin Kennedy said there is no process in place for accepting information from outside groups and individuals. Governor Scott Walker and the four Republican state senators against whom recall petitions were filed last month are the only parties that can contest the validity of signatures, according to Kennedy.

And they are putting the onus on the individual voters to make the correction, and even then they mustn’t bother the GAB directly with their report of voter fraud:

The GAB will not investigate or consider independently-submitted evidence of recall petition fraud. This includes circumstances wherein individuals might notify the board that their own name and forged signature were submitted.

According to the GAB, anyone concerned that their signature was fraudulently included on a recall petition, therefore, must notify not the GAB, but rather the target of the recall. In addition, they must do so by the challenge deadline if they want that signature reviewed and ultimately, possibly, struck.

VTR has set up a database where people can supply their names as “not wanting to sign” the recall petition; if their names show upon the recall petition, those names can be contested as fraudulent.
Their reason for being such bubbleheaded blatantly-Democrat leaning dunderheads?

The GAB discussion on the petition review criteria and process focused on their minimum statutory requirements. However nothing in state statutes prohibits the GAB from considering independently-gathered evidence of fraud.
โ€œGiven the unprecedented nature of these recall efforts it would be improper to change procedures in the midst of our review,โ€ Kennedy wrote. [emphasis mine]

Given the “unprecedented nature of the recall efforts,” I would assume that a taxpayer funded entity would want to make sure that a public election for taxpayer representatives would be as legitimate as possible. In other words, they SHOULD DO THEIR JOBS!

VTR is opposing this decision.
We’ll see how well they do. I’m not holding my breath.
I guess the valid question is: What are their jobs? Who do the GAB report to? Are they supposed to keep the liberals in power, or represent the taxpayers?
Questions, questions, questions.

Comments

  1. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Come on now – where does the law specifically say dead people cannot vote. And given SJL’s campaign to create more African-American sounding names, why would Donald Duck and Mickey Mount not be allowed – they sound African American to me. And besides, after the unions bought and paid for all these signatures, don’t they really belong to the union, and as union property, who is the government or anyone else to question their legitimacy. Truthfully, I don’t know how you beat the margin of fraud when the fraud is 100% to begin with. Absolutely pathetic, yet it will stand unless well meaning citizens stand up and refuse to allow it, at the risk of a few crushed skulls and being put on the Messiah’s no-fly, FEMA camp, needs remedial re-education (or worse) list.

  2. El Gordo Avatar

    Come on now – where does the law specifically say dead people cannot vote. And given SJL’s campaign to create more African-American sounding names, why would Donald Duck and Mickey Mount not be allowed – they sound African American to me. And besides, after the unions bought and paid for all these signatures, don’t they really belong to the union, and as union property, who is the government or anyone else to question their legitimacy. Truthfully, I don’t know how you beat the margin of fraud when the fraud is 100% to begin with. Absolutely pathetic, yet it will stand unless well meaning citizens stand up and refuse to allow it, at the risk of a few crushed skulls and being put on the Messiah’s no-fly, FEMA camp, needs remedial re-education (or worse) list.

  3. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Air Force trains flight attendants for VIP trips. “More of them are learning advanced culinary techniques since the Air Force began flying expert chefs to Andrews in the last 18 months.” The true 1% are doing okay.

  4. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Air Force trains flight attendants for VIP trips. “More of them are learning advanced culinary techniques since the Air Force began flying expert chefs to Andrews in the last 18 months.” The true 1% are doing okay.

  5. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Just 5 short days left of flower, cherry berrys er sheerys berrys er chocolate covered strawberry, teddy bear and pajama commercials. Then we can move on to the all important egg bearing chocolate bunnies.

  6. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Just 5 short days left of flower, cherry berrys er sheerys berrys er chocolate covered strawberry, teddy bear and pajama commercials. Then we can move on to the all important egg bearing chocolate bunnies.

  7. Katfish Avatar

    I’m folded, spindled, mutilated, irradiated, fondled, groped, humiliated, and off to exciting exotic lands.

  8. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I’m folded, spindled, mutilated, irradiated, fondled, groped, humiliated, and off to exciting exotic lands.

  9. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #4 Pyro
    Enjoy your travels!

    #3 Tim
    Doncha want your Sweetie to enjoy hoody-footy pajamas, and all the other tangible signs of your affection?

  10. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #4 Pyro
    Enjoy your travels!
    #3 Tim
    Doncha want your Sweetie to enjoy hoody-footy pajamas, and all the other tangible signs of your affection?

  11. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    #5

    These days our tangibles are low budget.

  12. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #5
    These days our tangibles are low budget.

  13. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    I just want to get back to one day left to buy gold and if you have 250,000 to invest radio commercials.

  14. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I just want to get back to one day left to buy gold and if you have 250,000 to invest radio commercials.

  15. Hamous Avatar

    Let’s look at the origins of the upcoming pagan festival Lupercalia, aka Valentines day. Why should we (as believers in The Word as written in the collection of books called The Bible) care if it is celebrated or not and should we participate in it?

    Notice the following warning God gave to Israel:

    “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘HOW DID THESE NATIONS SERVE THEIR GODS? I ALSO WILL DO LIKEWISE.’ ”

    “You shall NOT worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods . . . ” (Deuteronomy 12:29-31, NKJV)

    Note that the issue in this passage is NOT the worship of other gods. The warning is to not adopt CUSTOMS used to worship or honor other gods in order to serve and worship the true God.

    Valentine’s day and its symbols are rooted in the worship of false gods and has no Biblical basis. Those who celebrate the holiday and consider themselves believers in the God of the Bible need to take a prayerful look at no longer observing the holiday.

    I think y’all know what my position on this celebration is.

  16. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Let’s look at the origins of the upcoming pagan festival Lupercalia, aka Valentines day. Why should we (as believers in The Word as written in the collection of books called The Bible) care if it is celebrated or not and should we participate in it?

    Notice the following warning God gave to Israel:
    “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘HOW DID THESE NATIONS SERVE THEIR GODS? I ALSO WILL DO LIKEWISE.’ ”
    “You shall NOT worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods . . . ” (Deuteronomy 12:29-31, NKJV)
    Note that the issue in this passage is NOT the worship of other gods. The warning is to not adopt CUSTOMS used to worship or honor other gods in order to serve and worship the true God.
    Valentine’s day and its symbols are rooted in the worship of false gods and has no Biblical basis. Those who celebrate the holiday and consider themselves believers in the God of the Bible need to take a prayerful look at no longer observing the holiday.

    I think y’all know what my position on this celebration is.

  17. Tedtam Avatar

    Yeah, I think we know.

  18. Tedtam Avatar

    Yeah, I think we know.

  19. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    8
    Happy Valentines Day, sweetheart.

  20. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    8
    Happy Valentines Day, sweetheart.

  21. Dooood Avatar

    I just love the smell of pedantic sophistry in the morning.

  22. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    I just love the smell of pedantic sophistry in the morning.

  23. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Let me rejoin for one moment to point out that the source of “religious teaching” used in #8 also pronounces the Catholic Church to be the Whore of Babylon and the Pope to be the anti-christ. And apparently we worship in the Synagogue of Satan. Pedantic sophistry my ass. It’s pure, unadulterated, religious bigotry … at best.

  24. Hamous Avatar

    Let me rejoin for one moment to point out that the source of “religious teaching” used in #8 also pronounces the Catholic Church to be the Whore of Babylon and the Pope to be the anti-christ. And apparently we worship in the Synagogue of Satan. Pedantic sophistry my ass. It’s pure, unadulterated, religious bigotry … at best.

  25. Hamous Avatar

    The blockquoted section in #8 speaks for its self. As far as other things that organization may or may not have said about the Catholic Church, I am not addressing those. What about what the Word quoted above actually says? Is it true or false, are the origins of the celebration in question rooted in Scripture or are they rooted in paganism? Is the Word of Y_VH eternal and unchanging or is it something else?

  26. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    The blockquoted section in #8 speaks for its self. As far as other things that organization may or may not have said about the Catholic Church, I am not addressing those. What about what the Word quoted above actually says? Is it true or false, are the origins of the celebration in question rooted in Scripture or are they rooted in paganism? Is the Word of Y_VH eternal and unchanging or is it something else?

  27. Hamous Avatar

    #11 Texpat:

    I just love the smell of pedantic sophistry in the morning.

    ‘splain please.

  28. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #11 Texpat:

    I just love the smell of pedantic sophistry in the morning.

    ‘splain please.

  29. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    ………………………………rutro Reorge!

  30. Katfish Avatar

    ………………………………rutro Reorge!

  31. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #15
    ………………..scarf nibble Jihad!
    huh?

  32. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #15
    ………………..scarf nibble Jihad!
    huh?

  33. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #8 Bonecrusher:

    Congratulations! You have chosen an elite group of people to align yourself with!

    Not everyone loves St. Valentine
    The religious police in Saudi Arabia, in 2002 and 2008, banned the sale of all Valentine’s Day related items. The police warned shop workers to remove any items colored red as they consider Valentine’s Day a Christian holiday. In 2008 this ban created a black market for roses and wrapping paper.

    In Pakistan, the Jamaat-e-Islami political party has called for the banning of the holiday. Despite this declaration the celebration of Valentine’s Day has grown increasingly popular. Florists are expected to sell a large amount of flowers, especially red roses.

    In Iran, the celebration of the holiday has been harshly criticized by conservatives who see the day as opposed to Islamic culture. The Iranian printing works owners’ union, in 2011, issued a directive banning the printing and distribution of any goods promoting the Valentine’s holiday such as cards, gifts, teddy bears, posters, boxes printed with hearts or half-hearts and red roses. Activities promoting the holiday are also banned. The union warned that “Outlets that violate this will be legally dealt with.”

    That’s from the website you quote.

    I bet you keep your wife in a hajib too.

  34. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #8 Bonecrusher:
    Congratulations! You have chosen an elite group of people to align yourself with!

    Not everyone loves St. Valentine
    The religious police in Saudi Arabia, in 2002 and 2008, banned the sale of all Valentine’s Day related items. The police warned shop workers to remove any items colored red as they consider Valentine’s Day a Christian holiday. In 2008 this ban created a black market for roses and wrapping paper.
    In Pakistan, the Jamaat-e-Islami political party has called for the banning of the holiday. Despite this declaration the celebration of Valentine’s Day has grown increasingly popular. Florists are expected to sell a large amount of flowers, especially red roses.
    In Iran, the celebration of the holiday has been harshly criticized by conservatives who see the day as opposed to Islamic culture. The Iranian printing works owners’ union, in 2011, issued a directive banning the printing and distribution of any goods promoting the Valentine’s holiday such as cards, gifts, teddy bears, posters, boxes printed with hearts or half-hearts and red roses. Activities promoting the holiday are also banned. The union warned that “Outlets that violate this will be legally dealt with.”

    That’s from the website you quote.
    I bet you keep your wife in a hajib too.

  35. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    Sometimes you wish they would just let the states go belly up so that people can see what having unions in the public domain as opposed to private ones can do to one’s finances. There is no way that the taxpayers should be held hostage to union strikes. If they don’t like it there then they should go somewhere else to work where they really have to work. If private industry wants unions then they can pay for them thru their profits or what will be left of them after they give in to the unions. I believe in a fair wage and supply and demand side of hiring a person. You shouldn’t be given a wage increase unless you have earned it, they are not automatic like they are under a union contract.

  36. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    Sometimes you wish they would just let the states go belly up so that people can see what having unions in the public domain as opposed to private ones can do to one’s finances. There is no way that the taxpayers should be held hostage to union strikes. If they don’t like it there then they should go somewhere else to work where they really have to work. If private industry wants unions then they can pay for them thru their profits or what will be left of them after they give in to the unions. I believe in a fair wage and supply and demand side of hiring a person. You shouldn’t be given a wage increase unless you have earned it, they are not automatic like they are under a union contract.

  37. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Next Tuesday, I’m going to give my wife a box of chocolates, a small piece of jewelry, a card telling her I love her, and then I’m taking her out to eat to a nice restaurant.

    Nowhere in that list of plans do I find anything about worship (of any god, true or false). Nor does it seem to reek of pagan rituals. If you want to claim that I’m evil because I choose to do these things on Tuesday instead of Wednesday, feel free, I think I’m pretty safe from the wrath of God on this one.

    But, don’t let me harsh your mellow, good buddy, there’s always Easter to look forward to.

  38. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Next Tuesday, I’m going to give my wife a box of chocolates, a small piece of jewelry, a card telling her I love her, and then I’m taking her out to eat to a nice restaurant.
    Nowhere in that list of plans do I find anything about worship (of any god, true or false). Nor does it seem to reek of pagan rituals. If you want to claim that I’m evil because I choose to do these things on Tuesday instead of Wednesday, feel free, I think I’m pretty safe from the wrath of God on this one.
    But, don’t let me harsh your mellow, good buddy, there’s always Easter to look forward to.

  39. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    …thereโ€™s always Easter to look forward to.

    Well if giving your wife a box of chocolates doesn’t send you to Hell maybe celebrating the Resurrection of our Savior will:

    The Passover was NEVER called Easter by the first century church. The word Easter is a derivative of Ishtar, or Astarte, the name of a pagan goddess of fertility who was celebrated during the Spring solstice.

    The King James Version Bible was written by scholars whose orientation was toward Catholic and Anglican church doctrines. This bias caused some errors in translating the original Bible text into English. One such error was translating the Greek word pascha (Greek: ฯ€ฮฑฬฯƒฯ‡ฮฑ, Strong’s Concordance #G3957), which means “passover,” as the English word Easter.

    According to Catholic dogma, which has largely been carried over into the Protestant churches, Jesus was killed on Friday and resurrected Sunday morning, with the anniversaries of those dates observed as part of the Easter celebration.

    A little research will show that the origin of what we call Easter or the Easter holiday has NO Biblical basis whatsoever! Easter was never taught or observed by the early New Testament church.

    Damn those Mackerel Snappers! They’re mucking it up for EVERYONE!

  40. Hamous Avatar

    …thereโ€™s always Easter to look forward to.

    Well if giving your wife a box of chocolates doesn’t send you to Hell maybe celebrating the Resurrection of our Savior will:

    The Passover was NEVER called Easter by the first century church. The word Easter is a derivative of Ishtar, or Astarte, the name of a pagan goddess of fertility who was celebrated during the Spring solstice.
    The King James Version Bible was written by scholars whose orientation was toward Catholic and Anglican church doctrines. This bias caused some errors in translating the original Bible text into English. One such error was translating the Greek word pascha (Greek: ฯ€ฮฑฬฯƒฯ‡ฮฑ, Strong’s Concordance #G3957), which means “passover,” as the English word Easter.

    According to Catholic dogma, which has largely been carried over into the Protestant churches, Jesus was killed on Friday and resurrected Sunday morning, with the anniversaries of those dates observed as part of the Easter celebration.
    A little research will show that the origin of what we call Easter or the Easter holiday has NO Biblical basis whatsoever! Easter was never taught or observed by the early New Testament church.

    Damn those Mackerel Snappers! They’re mucking it up for EVERYONE!

  41. Dooood Avatar

    #14 BC

    Since it seems you are the only one here requiring an explanation, then my comment makes the intended point and no further explanation is necessary.

  42. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #14 BC
    Since it seems you are the only one here requiring an explanation, then my comment makes the intended point and no further explanation is necessary.

  43. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Americans expected to spend 14.7 billion dollars on Valentines day.

    Personally, I love the smell of capitalism in the morning.

  44. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Americans expected to spend 14.7 billion dollars on Valentines day.
    Personally, I love the smell of capitalism in the morning.

  45. Hamous Avatar

    #17 FA: The simple fact that the mooslimes do not agree with the pagan (in its origins) holiday, does not in any way mean that I align myself with them. Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day, that does not mean that you should live your life by it.

    I bet you keep your wife in a hajib too.

    That is unreasonable BS, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    I notice that no one wanted to address the simple statement in the box in #8 above, but want to cloud the issue with other stuff.

  46. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #17 FA: The simple fact that the mooslimes do not agree with the pagan (in its origins) holiday, does not in any way mean that I align myself with them. Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day, that does not mean that you should live your life by it.

    I bet you keep your wife in a hajib too.

    That is unreasonable BS, you should be ashamed of yourself.
    I notice that no one wanted to address the simple statement in the box in #8 above, but want to cloud the issue with other stuff.

  47. Hamous Avatar

    #20 Hamous: What does a rabbit bearing eggs have to do with the Resurrection?

    I think we can all agree that Messiah fulfilled the Biblical feast of Passover, correct? Why then, is easter always celebrated on a sunday when the timing of Passover is completely independent of the day of the week? When one actually studies the Biblical Feasts, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Shavuot (Pentecost), Rosh Hoshanna, Yom Kippur and Sukkot, one can learn that these are HIS Feasts, not man’s or Jewish feast But HIS. There is a very specific way described in HIS WORD, as to when one is to celebrate HIS FEASTS, and none of them are determined by the day of the week. When HIS written Word tells me to do or not do something, I find it to be prudent to do as instructed.
    Fulfillment in no way means abolishment or eliminating; frequently there are multiple fulfillments of a single prophecy.

  48. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #20 Hamous: What does a rabbit bearing eggs have to do with the Resurrection?
    I think we can all agree that Messiah fulfilled the Biblical feast of Passover, correct? Why then, is easter always celebrated on a sunday when the timing of Passover is completely independent of the day of the week? When one actually studies the Biblical Feasts, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Shavuot (Pentecost), Rosh Hoshanna, Yom Kippur and Sukkot, one can learn that these are HIS Feasts, not man’s or Jewish feast But HIS. There is a very specific way described in HIS WORD, as to when one is to celebrate HIS FEASTS, and none of them are determined by the day of the week. When HIS written Word tells me to do or not do something, I find it to be prudent to do as instructed.
    Fulfillment in no way means abolishment or eliminating; frequently there are multiple fulfillments of a single prophecy.

  49. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    In secret, I sometimes don my bell bottoms and tie dyed teeshirt, fire up the hookah and brazenly dance and sing this song.

  50. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    In secret, I sometimes don my bell bottoms and tie dyed teeshirt, fire up the hookah and brazenly dance and sing this song.

  51. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #23 Bonecrusher:

    “Be careful when you lie with dogs lest you acquire their fleas.”

    Actually I addressed your “simple” statement directly in my post #19:

    Nowhere in that list of plans do I find anything about worship (of any god, true or false). Nor does it seem to reek of pagan rituals. If you want to claim that Iโ€™m evil because I choose to do these things on Tuesday instead of Wednesday, feel free, I think Iโ€™m pretty safe from the wrath of God on this one.

    A couple of observations:

    First, I find it interesting that the website you quote is so completely bereft of support on this position that the only quotes they could find were Muslim.

    Second, you’ve been, on occasion, posting this type of “I’m right and rest of you are unregenerate pagans who are going to burn in hell” missive for some time now.

    Hamous, and the other regulars here have been understanding, and gracious (more so than I would have!). You cannot possibly be so dull as to be unaware of the religious background of most of the rest of us. And yet you continue with these silly, offensive little posts. Is there a reason? Do you actually hope to convert all of us to your unique world view? Do you just not care?

    If you’re going to continue with your peculiar religious instruction, at least try to temper it with a bit of humor, even Jesus did that much (although that’s in the New Testament and therefore a bit suspect).

  52. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #23 Bonecrusher:
    “Be careful when you lie with dogs lest you acquire their fleas.”
    Actually I addressed your “simple” statement directly in my post #19:

    Nowhere in that list of plans do I find anything about worship (of any god, true or false). Nor does it seem to reek of pagan rituals. If you want to claim that Iโ€™m evil because I choose to do these things on Tuesday instead of Wednesday, feel free, I think Iโ€™m pretty safe from the wrath of God on this one.

    A couple of observations:
    First, I find it interesting that the website you quote is so completely bereft of support on this position that the only quotes they could find were Muslim.
    Second, you’ve been, on occasion, posting this type of “I’m right and rest of you are unregenerate pagans who are going to burn in hell” missive for some time now.
    Hamous, and the other regulars here have been understanding, and gracious (more so than I would have!). You cannot possibly be so dull as to be unaware of the religious background of most of the rest of us. And yet you continue with these silly, offensive little posts. Is there a reason? Do you actually hope to convert all of us to your unique world view? Do you just not care?
    If you’re going to continue with your peculiar religious instruction, at least try to temper it with a bit of humor, even Jesus did that much (although that’s in the New Testament and therefore a bit suspect).

  53. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Galatians 3:1

    ย 1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vainโ€”if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham โ€œbelieved God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.โ€[c]
    ย 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: โ€œAll nations will be blessed through you.โ€[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

  54. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Galatians 3:1
    ย 1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vainโ€”if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham โ€œbelieved God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.โ€[c]
    ย 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: โ€œAll nations will be blessed through you.โ€[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

  55. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, this is exciting!

    South Carolina is no different. During the current legislative session, state lawmakers are expected to consider a number of education reforms, including the possibility of increasing the number of charter schools in the state, linking teacher pay to student learning, and giving principals the power to fire ineffective teachers.
    /snip
    โ€œWe donโ€™t have a shortage of dollars in South Carolinaโ€™s schools, we have a shortage of accountability, competition and incentives,โ€ Zais told EAG.
    /snip
    โ€œTraditional proposals for improving education โ€“ more money, better facilities, improved curriculum and smaller classes โ€“ will not work. Weโ€™ve tried that. Weโ€™ve tried that for 40 years,โ€ Zais recently told an audience, according to the IndependentMail.com.

    Zais told EAG that while the nationโ€™s teachers unions โ€“ the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers โ€“ comprise the heart of the โ€œeducation industrial complex,โ€ they are enabled by weak-willed Republicans.

    โ€œThe education industrial complex is bipartisan,โ€ Zais said. โ€œWe have RINOs โ€“ Republicans in Name Only โ€“ who are intimidated by the lobbying groups that get the public and the teachers all excited that weโ€™re trying to destroy public education. In reality, we want to make it better and more accountable.โ€

    To achieve those ends, he believes local schools must be given more authority and responsibility.

    โ€œThereโ€™s too much control coming out of Washington and Columbia,โ€ Zais said.

    There’s more. I wish this guy a lotta luck. I’d love to see a successful educational reform to jump-start stuff like this nationwide.

    And shut the teachers’ unions up.

  56. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, this is exciting!

    South Carolina is no different. During the current legislative session, state lawmakers are expected to consider a number of education reforms, including the possibility of increasing the number of charter schools in the state, linking teacher pay to student learning, and giving principals the power to fire ineffective teachers.
    /snip
    โ€œWe donโ€™t have a shortage of dollars in South Carolinaโ€™s schools, we have a shortage of accountability, competition and incentives,โ€ Zais told EAG.
    /snip
    โ€œTraditional proposals for improving education โ€“ more money, better facilities, improved curriculum and smaller classes โ€“ will not work. Weโ€™ve tried that. Weโ€™ve tried that for 40 years,โ€ Zais recently told an audience, according to the IndependentMail.com.
    Zais told EAG that while the nationโ€™s teachers unions โ€“ the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers โ€“ comprise the heart of the โ€œeducation industrial complex,โ€ they are enabled by weak-willed Republicans.
    โ€œThe education industrial complex is bipartisan,โ€ Zais said. โ€œWe have RINOs โ€“ Republicans in Name Only โ€“ who are intimidated by the lobbying groups that get the public and the teachers all excited that weโ€™re trying to destroy public education. In reality, we want to make it better and more accountable.โ€
    To achieve those ends, he believes local schools must be given more authority and responsibility.
    โ€œThereโ€™s too much control coming out of Washington and Columbia,โ€ Zais said.

    There’s more. I wish this guy a lotta luck. I’d love to see a successful educational reform to jump-start stuff like this nationwide.
    And shut the teachers’ unions up.

  57. Tedtam Avatar

    Unions lose in the first wave of Wisconsin recall elections.

    Yesterday in Wisconsin, Democrats tried to recall six GOP senators in an attempt to gain a foothold in the stateโ€™s legislatureโ€”they lost in four of the races, failing to regain a majority in the state senate. Those losses came despite a $14 million effort waged by unions and liberal groups from across the country, including the AFL-CIO, UAW, AFSCME, MoveOn.org, Teamsters, UFCW, NEA, SEIU, and People for the American Way.

    Let’s see what happens with the Gov. Walker recall election. (See the topic thread)

  58. Tedtam Avatar

    Unions lose in the first wave of Wisconsin recall elections.

    Yesterday in Wisconsin, Democrats tried to recall six GOP senators in an attempt to gain a foothold in the stateโ€™s legislatureโ€”they lost in four of the races, failing to regain a majority in the state senate. Those losses came despite a $14 million effort waged by unions and liberal groups from across the country, including the AFL-CIO, UAW, AFSCME, MoveOn.org, Teamsters, UFCW, NEA, SEIU, and People for the American Way.

    Let’s see what happens with the Gov. Walker recall election. (See the topic thread)

  59. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    St. Valentine was a real man that lived centuries ago and due to his unwavering commitment to witness to those who were non believers he was beheaded.

    St. Valentine was a priest near Rome in about the year 270 A.D, a time when the church was enduring great persecution. His ministry was to help the Christians to escape this persecution, and to provide them the sacraments, such as marriage, which was outlawed by the Roman Empire at that time. For his belief and practice, St. Valentine was arrested, and imprisoned for his refusal to deny Our Lord and embrace the Roman gods.

    He prayed for the sight of the daughter of one of his prison guards to be restored. That prayer was answered and made a convert out of the guard and his entire family.

    Was there an underlying pagan holiday celebrated in mid February? Yes, but that does not mean those undertones are still there to this day. This day is highly commercialized and that is a turn off for me personally, but there is no way my wife is going to buy that argument. I am perfectly willing to put her on a little pedestal for the day and pamper her because she is after all an amazing woman.

    I would even make the argument that a super large majority of the populace is entirely ignorant of any pagan connection to Valentines Day. So Mr. Good Christian purchases his special woman some nice gifts and treats her to dinner. Does that automatically make him guilty of apostasy towards his Christian beliefs? I think that would be a stretch.

  60. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    St. Valentine was a real man that lived centuries ago and due to his unwavering commitment to witness to those who were non believers he was beheaded.

    St. Valentine was a priest near Rome in about the year 270 A.D, a time when the church was enduring great persecution. His ministry was to help the Christians to escape this persecution, and to provide them the sacraments, such as marriage, which was outlawed by the Roman Empire at that time. For his belief and practice, St. Valentine was arrested, and imprisoned for his refusal to deny Our Lord and embrace the Roman gods.

    He prayed for the sight of the daughter of one of his prison guards to be restored. That prayer was answered and made a convert out of the guard and his entire family.
    Was there an underlying pagan holiday celebrated in mid February? Yes, but that does not mean those undertones are still there to this day. This day is highly commercialized and that is a turn off for me personally, but there is no way my wife is going to buy that argument. I am perfectly willing to put her on a little pedestal for the day and pamper her because she is after all an amazing woman.
    I would even make the argument that a super large majority of the populace is entirely ignorant of any pagan connection to Valentines Day. So Mr. Good Christian purchases his special woman some nice gifts and treats her to dinner. Does that automatically make him guilty of apostasy towards his Christian beliefs? I think that would be a stretch.

  61. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Iโ€™m folded, spindled, mutilated, irradiated, fondled, groped, humiliated, and off to exciting exotic lands.

    Wow Wagon! You got the Full Court Press at the airport. Obviously you are guilty of something. ๐Ÿ™‚

  62. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Iโ€™m folded, spindled, mutilated, irradiated, fondled, groped, humiliated, and off to exciting exotic lands.

    Wow Wagon! You got the Full Court Press at the airport. Obviously you are guilty of something. ๐Ÿ™‚

  63. Tedtam Avatar

    #32 Texmo

    Obviously you are guilty of something.

    Or indulging in a little guilty pleasure. /wink, wink

  64. Tedtam Avatar

    #32 Texmo

    Obviously you are guilty of something.

    Or indulging in a little guilty pleasure. /wink, wink

  65. Hamous Avatar

    #26 FA:

    Second, youโ€™ve been, on occasion, posting this type of โ€œIโ€™m right and rest of you are unregenerate pagans who are going to burn in hellโ€ missive for some time now.

    I’ve never said anything of the sort. Please do not put words in my mouth. All I have ever done is post what the Word actually says. The Word says do not learn the ways of the nations . . . how they worship their elohim, you shall not worship Y_VH that way. IF HE said do not….then I say do not.
    I choose to follow THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL. What are you going to believe, The Written Word, in its entirety or the teachings and commandments of men? Unlike you FA, I do not make personal attacks against anyone on this site or for their beliefs.

    Correction:
    Unlike you FA, I do not make personal attacks against anyone on this site or for their SPIRITUAL beliefs.

  66. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #26 FA:

    Second, youโ€™ve been, on occasion, posting this type of โ€œIโ€™m right and rest of you are unregenerate pagans who are going to burn in hellโ€ missive for some time now.

    I’ve never said anything of the sort. Please do not put words in my mouth. All I have ever done is post what the Word actually says. The Word says do not learn the ways of the nations . . . how they worship their elohim, you shall not worship Y_VH that way. IF HE said do not….then I say do not.
    I choose to follow THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL. What are you going to believe, The Written Word, in its entirety or the teachings and commandments of men? Unlike you FA, I do not make personal attacks against anyone on this site or for their beliefs.
    Correction:
    Unlike you FA, I do not make personal attacks against anyone on this site or for their SPIRITUAL beliefs.

  67. Tedtam Avatar

    Boney, I like you. I really do. But when you get on your preaching spells, it DOES come across like it’s been described. I try not to take it personally, but it does get old.

    I’ve always commended you on your faith, but the way you share it appears to me as if you are telling us we have it all wrong. You are definitely an Old Testament type of guy; it’s what you quote most often. That’s fine.

    It’s not me, and I don’t appreciate your Bible-chest-thumping way of promoting your faith. Since we are here to explore other ideas and discuss topics amongst ourselves, I find some of your “revelations” interesting from a historical point of view. But I love my faith, I find it makes a lot of sense, I feel I’m being led to follow a righteous path, and I have some modicum of hope in my eternal salvation. That won’t change. I understand you won’t change. You’re a strong personality type. You may be incapable of sharing your faith without (subconsciously) implying the rest of us are Hell bound.

    I try to rack it up to part of your charm and move on.

  68. Tedtam Avatar

    Boney, I like you. I really do. But when you get on your preaching spells, it DOES come across like it’s been described. I try not to take it personally, but it does get old.
    I’ve always commended you on your faith, but the way you share it appears to me as if you are telling us we have it all wrong. You are definitely an Old Testament type of guy; it’s what you quote most often. That’s fine.
    It’s not me, and I don’t appreciate your Bible-chest-thumping way of promoting your faith. Since we are here to explore other ideas and discuss topics amongst ourselves, I find some of your “revelations” interesting from a historical point of view. But I love my faith, I find it makes a lot of sense, I feel I’m being led to follow a righteous path, and I have some modicum of hope in my eternal salvation. That won’t change. I understand you won’t change. You’re a strong personality type. You may be incapable of sharing your faith without (subconsciously) implying the rest of us are Hell bound.
    I try to rack it up to part of your charm and move on.

  69. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Dude, I don’t care what your personal theology is! You’ve indicated that you are a follower of Jesus Christ. Past that it’s up to you to work out your own salvation with “fear and trembling”. I’m sure the rest of us would appreciate the same consideration.

    I choose to follow THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL. What are you going to believe, The Written Word, in its entirety or the teachings and commandments of men?

    If that’s not a “holier than thou” personal attack on my spiritual beliefs how would you characterize it? It’s not even true, because you too, are relying on others to help you understand God’s Word. The difference is that I (and others here) rely on 1900+ years of scholarship which has been tested, refined, argued, and sharpened. You are relying (at least in part) on a website that claims that both Martin Luther AND the Catholic Church were (or are) demonic or possessed.

    I think yโ€™all know what my position on this celebration is.

    We knew before you posted it. We hoped that you wouldn’t feel it necessary to tell us.

  70. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Dude, I don’t care what your personal theology is! You’ve indicated that you are a follower of Jesus Christ. Past that it’s up to you to work out your own salvation with “fear and trembling”. I’m sure the rest of us would appreciate the same consideration.

    I choose to follow THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL. What are you going to believe, The Written Word, in its entirety or the teachings and commandments of men?

    If that’s not a “holier than thou” personal attack on my spiritual beliefs how would you characterize it? It’s not even true, because you too, are relying on others to help you understand God’s Word. The difference is that I (and others here) rely on 1900+ years of scholarship which has been tested, refined, argued, and sharpened. You are relying (at least in part) on a website that claims that both Martin Luther AND the Catholic Church were (or are) demonic or possessed.

    I think yโ€™all know what my position on this celebration is.

    We knew before you posted it. We hoped that you wouldn’t feel it necessary to tell us.

  71. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good afternoon Hamsters. Must advise that I enter the fray here in a suit of armor complete with spikes on elbows and knees, you know the attire suitable for shopping in the mall the day after Thanksgiving. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Spouse came home with a dozen roses before lunch, getting ahead of the traditional frantic crowd while the selection is still good. We’re doing Valentine’s dinner on Sunday since Tuesday is a day in the office, and he’s pretty tired after the 100 mile round trip. I as usual am ahead of things, having gotten a card for him early in the week and some dark chocolate squares placed out of sight but not out of mind in the pantry.

    Thanks to TexMo #31 for the history of St. Valentine, martyr.

  72. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good afternoon Hamsters. Must advise that I enter the fray here in a suit of armor complete with spikes on elbows and knees, you know the attire suitable for shopping in the mall the day after Thanksgiving. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Spouse came home with a dozen roses before lunch, getting ahead of the traditional frantic crowd while the selection is still good. We’re doing Valentine’s dinner on Sunday since Tuesday is a day in the office, and he’s pretty tired after the 100 mile round trip. I as usual am ahead of things, having gotten a card for him early in the week and some dark chocolate squares placed out of sight but not out of mind in the pantry.
    Thanks to TexMo #31 for the history of St. Valentine, martyr.

  73. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #29 – HALLELUJAH!!!!! (hopefully this valiant effort aint too late!)

  74. Katfish Avatar

    #29 – HALLELUJAH!!!!! (hopefully this valiant effort aint too late!)

  75. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    All I have ever done is post what the Word actually says.

    Correction – all you have ever done is post your interpretation of what the Word actually says, then you usually back it up with a link to some anti-Catholic bigot expounding on that interpretation.

    You are posting on a blog run by Catholics. Disagree with our interpretations – we disagree with yours. But don’t come in here quoting some chucklehead that calls our Church the Synagogue of Satan and expect us to say “Thank you sir! May we have another?” Shrinking Violets we’re not.

  76. Hamous Avatar

    All I have ever done is post what the Word actually says.

    Correction – all you have ever done is post your interpretation of what the Word actually says, then you usually back it up with a link to some anti-Catholic bigot expounding on that interpretation.
    You are posting on a blog run by Catholics. Disagree with our interpretations – we disagree with yours. But don’t come in here quoting some chucklehead that calls our Church the Synagogue of Satan and expect us to say “Thank you sir! May we have another?” Shrinking Violets we’re not.

  77. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Crusher:

    What are you going to believe, The Written Word, in its entirety or the teachings and commandments of men?

    From your church’s website:

    The New Church, based on the Old and New Testaments, and the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, teaches how Jesus saves, consistent with our knowledge of a loving God.

    The New Church teaches that the Writings of Emanuel Swedenborg reveal a deeper meaning in the scripture, explaining the Bible’s symbolism and showing how the Word of God can be applied to our everyday lives.

    So, 1900 years of scholarship by some of the most godly men ever known are rejected as unworthy, so that we can instead follow the teaching of some dude known as Emanuel Swedenborg. Interesting.

  78. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    Crusher:

    What are you going to believe, The Written Word, in its entirety or the teachings and commandments of men?

    From your church’s website:

    The New Church, based on the Old and New Testaments, and the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, teaches how Jesus saves, consistent with our knowledge of a loving God.

    The New Church teaches that the Writings of Emanuel Swedenborg reveal a deeper meaning in the scripture, explaining the Bible’s symbolism and showing how the Word of God can be applied to our everyday lives.

    So, 1900 years of scholarship by some of the most godly men ever known are rejected as unworthy, so that we can instead follow the teaching of some dude known as Emanuel Swedenborg. Interesting.

  79. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Here is how we Catholics look at the faith of other Christians:

    838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”

    That is a far cry from the bigotry trying to be passed off as Biblical scholarship here today. As a Christian I like to think we are all on maybe separate but converging paths. TexMo and I are so close we’re ’bout to sideswipe each other ๐Ÿ˜‰

  80. Hamous Avatar

    Here is how we Catholics look at the faith of other Christians:

    838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”

    That is a far cry from the bigotry trying to be passed off as Biblical scholarship here today. As a Christian I like to think we are all on maybe separate but converging paths. TexMo and I are so close we’re ’bout to sideswipe each other ๐Ÿ˜‰

  81. Hamous Avatar

    #42 FA:

    From your churchโ€™s website:

    I never said that was my church, it is not; please do not assume that you know my church because clearly you do not. I picked that particular website only because it has a clear historical understanding of the origins of valentines day, aka lupercalia. Further, I said I was not even addressing the other things that may or may not be found on the site, I was trying to restrict all the commentary strictly to the celebration in question. Others chose to bring in extraneous stuff, and once again, I am not even going to address that particular site’s opinion of the Catholic Church as it is not relevant to the discussion. Let’s try to limit the discussion solely to valentines day (lupercalia) and the relevant Scripture.
    Now that I am back at the house, I have better tools at my disposal.

    The original scriptural text cited was

    Deut 12:28-31
    ords which I command you, in order that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the Lord your God.

    29 “When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations which you are going in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30 beware that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying,’ How do these nations serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?’ 31 “You shall not behave thus toward the Lord your God, for every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.

    32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
    NASB

    Question #1: A: Is there anything anywhere in The Scriptures that describes the festival of valentines day in any way? B: Is there even the slightest suggestion that HIS PEOPLE should engage in that celebration?
    Question #2: A: Is there a historical record of the origins of valentines day, formerly known as lupercalia? B: Who practiced this festival, did they fear the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of the Old Testament or were they pagans?
    Question #3: Was the festival of lupercalia an act of pagan worship?

    Because I cite traditions that are of pagan origin that are practiced today by Christians, THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS ME CALLING THOSE PEOPLE PAGANS. I draw a huge distinction between the two.
    I am not now, nor have I ever called into question anyone’s integrity or their relationship with The Creator.

    Question #1 The answer to both A and B is NO.
    Question #2 A: Yes, and I cited but one example. B: They were Roman polytheistic pagans.
    Question #3: I would have to say yes as it was a fertility rite.

    With these answers, what can we conclude about whether we should celebrate it or not based on the Scripture cited above? Do you agree with the answers to the questions?

    Please do not bring in extraneous stuff that does not have to do with the narrow issue I raised. The other positions on the site I linked are irrelevant to this particular discussion.

    So, 1900 years of scholarship by some of the most godly men ever known are rejected as unworthy, so that we can instead follow the teaching of some dude known as Emanuel Swedenborg. Interesting.

    really not worthy of comment.

  82. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #42 FA:

    From your churchโ€™s website:

    I never said that was my church, it is not; please do not assume that you know my church because clearly you do not. I picked that particular website only because it has a clear historical understanding of the origins of valentines day, aka lupercalia. Further, I said I was not even addressing the other things that may or may not be found on the site, I was trying to restrict all the commentary strictly to the celebration in question. Others chose to bring in extraneous stuff, and once again, I am not even going to address that particular site’s opinion of the Catholic Church as it is not relevant to the discussion. Let’s try to limit the discussion solely to valentines day (lupercalia) and the relevant Scripture.
    Now that I am back at the house, I have better tools at my disposal.
    The original scriptural text cited was

    Deut 12:28-31
    ords which I command you, in order that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the Lord your God.
    29 “When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations which you are going in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30 beware that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying,’ How do these nations serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?’ 31 “You shall not behave thus toward the Lord your God, for every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
    32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
    NASB

    Question #1: A: Is there anything anywhere in The Scriptures that describes the festival of valentines day in any way? B: Is there even the slightest suggestion that HIS PEOPLE should engage in that celebration?
    Question #2: A: Is there a historical record of the origins of valentines day, formerly known as lupercalia? B: Who practiced this festival, did they fear the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of the Old Testament or were they pagans?
    Question #3: Was the festival of lupercalia an act of pagan worship?
    Because I cite traditions that are of pagan origin that are practiced today by Christians, THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS ME CALLING THOSE PEOPLE PAGANS. I draw a huge distinction between the two.
    I am not now, nor have I ever called into question anyone’s integrity or their relationship with The Creator.
    Question #1 The answer to both A and B is NO.
    Question #2 A: Yes, and I cited but one example. B: They were Roman polytheistic pagans.
    Question #3: I would have to say yes as it was a fertility rite.
    With these answers, what can we conclude about whether we should celebrate it or not based on the Scripture cited above? Do you agree with the answers to the questions?
    Please do not bring in extraneous stuff that does not have to do with the narrow issue I raised. The other positions on the site I linked are irrelevant to this particular discussion.

    So, 1900 years of scholarship by some of the most godly men ever known are rejected as unworthy, so that we can instead follow the teaching of some dude known as Emanuel Swedenborg. Interesting.

    really not worthy of comment.

  83. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Hey look! There’s a conclusion. Let’s jump to it!

  84. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Hey look! There’s a conclusion. Let’s jump to it!

  85. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Give us a link to your church’s website, then.

  86. Hamous Avatar

    Give us a link to your church’s website, then.

  87. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #44 Bonecrusher:

    please do not assume that you know my church because clearly you do not.

    Well, what would you expect – you appear to be remarkably reticent to discuss your church, it’s roots and beliefs. When you cite a website that appears to embody your particular theology, what do you expect us to think.

    As for your questionaire:

    1A, B: Irrelevant. The Bible doesn’t mention or suggest that we celebrate the 4th of July either.

    2A, B: As nobody here has suggested, In any way, that we celebrate the fest of Lupercalia, once again irrelevant.

    3. Sure, it was indeed a pagan fertility rite. So what?

    The festival began with the sacrifice by the Luperci (or the flamen dialis) of two male goats and a dog. Next two young patrician Luperci were led to the altar, to be anointed on their foreheads with the sacrificial blood, which was wiped off the bloody knife with wool soaked in milk, after which they were expected to smile and laugh.
    The sacrificial feast followed, after which the Luperci cut thongs from the skins of the victims, which were called februa, dressed themselves in the skins of the sacrificed goats, in imitation of Lupercus, and ran round the walls of the old Palatine city, the line of which was marked with stones, with the thongs in their hands in two bands, striking the people who crowded near. Girls and young women would line up on their route to receive lashes from these whips. This was supposed to ensure fertility, prevent sterility in women and ease the pains of childbirth.

    The next time you see me running up and down the streets naked flogging girls and women with thongs cuts from goats and dogs I’ve sacrificed, feel free to call me out and accuse me of practicing pagan rites.

    In the meantime I’ll buy my wife a present, tell her I love her and celebrate our marriage. I suspect God will be pleased with the result.

  88. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #44 Bonecrusher:

    please do not assume that you know my church because clearly you do not.

    Well, what would you expect – you appear to be remarkably reticent to discuss your church, it’s roots and beliefs. When you cite a website that appears to embody your particular theology, what do you expect us to think.
    As for your questionaire:
    1A, B: Irrelevant. The Bible doesn’t mention or suggest that we celebrate the 4th of July either.
    2A, B: As nobody here has suggested, In any way, that we celebrate the fest of Lupercalia, once again irrelevant.
    3. Sure, it was indeed a pagan fertility rite. So what?

    The festival began with the sacrifice by the Luperci (or the flamen dialis) of two male goats and a dog. Next two young patrician Luperci were led to the altar, to be anointed on their foreheads with the sacrificial blood, which was wiped off the bloody knife with wool soaked in milk, after which they were expected to smile and laugh.
    The sacrificial feast followed, after which the Luperci cut thongs from the skins of the victims, which were called februa, dressed themselves in the skins of the sacrificed goats, in imitation of Lupercus, and ran round the walls of the old Palatine city, the line of which was marked with stones, with the thongs in their hands in two bands, striking the people who crowded near. Girls and young women would line up on their route to receive lashes from these whips. This was supposed to ensure fertility, prevent sterility in women and ease the pains of childbirth.

    The next time you see me running up and down the streets naked flogging girls and women with thongs cuts from goats and dogs I’ve sacrificed, feel free to call me out and accuse me of practicing pagan rites.
    In the meantime I’ll buy my wife a present, tell her I love her and celebrate our marriage. I suspect God will be pleased with the result.

  89. Dooood Avatar

    #47 FA

    The next time you see me running up and down the streets naked flogging girls and women with thongs cuts from goats and dogs Iโ€™ve sacrificed, feel free to call me out…

    I think most folks will be calling the police or looking for those confounded shotgun shells.

  90. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #47 FA

    The next time you see me running up and down the streets naked flogging girls and women with thongs cuts from goats and dogs Iโ€™ve sacrificed, feel free to call me out…

    I think most folks will be calling the police or looking for those confounded shotgun shells.

  91. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    8 Bonehead,

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a holiday is just a holiday.

    My Pops could be pretty pig headed and racist at times. I remember that
    he observed that Valentine’s Day was a creation of business people to
    sell candy, flowers, and cards during a slump between Christmas and
    Easter. Luckily, I did not take to heart every lesson he taught.

    It is no secret that many so-called Christian holidays have no relationship
    to the practices early Christians. I have always understood that many of the
    holidays and some of the Catholic Church practices were accomodations
    to the pagan population by the Emperor Constantine to “sell” the Christian
    religion to the Roman pagans.

    So what! Isn’t it the idea that counts?

    If it works for me (or not) what business is it of yours?

    It is a lot better to evaluate a Christian by the way he (she) conducts themselves
    and how they treat others. Actions still speak louder than words. Verse quoters
    and scripture experts are not Christians unless they live the life and the example of their
    life is sufficent testimony to all.

    I am a very lapsed Catholic, but I have a Baptist brother-in-law whose life as a Christian is an example to all. He does not talk and blather his beliefs, but teaches by the example of his life.

    Simple

  92. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    8 Bonehead,
    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a holiday is just a holiday.
    My Pops could be pretty pig headed and racist at times. I remember that
    he observed that Valentine’s Day was a creation of business people to
    sell candy, flowers, and cards during a slump between Christmas and
    Easter. Luckily, I did not take to heart every lesson he taught.
    It is no secret that many so-called Christian holidays have no relationship
    to the practices early Christians. I have always understood that many of the
    holidays and some of the Catholic Church practices were accomodations
    to the pagan population by the Emperor Constantine to “sell” the Christian
    religion to the Roman pagans.
    So what! Isn’t it the idea that counts?
    If it works for me (or not) what business is it of yours?
    It is a lot better to evaluate a Christian by the way he (she) conducts themselves
    and how they treat others. Actions still speak louder than words. Verse quoters
    and scripture experts are not Christians unless they live the life and the example of their
    life is sufficent testimony to all.
    I am a very lapsed Catholic, but I have a Baptist brother-in-law whose life as a Christian is an example to all. He does not talk and blather his beliefs, but teaches by the example of his life.
    Simple

  93. Katfish Avatar

    #47 fats

    The next time you see me running up and down the streets naked flogging girls and women with thongs cuts from goats and dogs Iโ€™ve sacrificed, feel free to call me outโ€ฆ

    How can you tell what these wimmins’ unmentionables are made of so’s you can flog the right ones? What if they’re made from cat?

    Or is this some sort of weirdo Valentine celebration you’ve cooked up in your heathen “religion”, where the celebrants run around in their altogether in the light of the full moon, showing all their full moons?

  94. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #47 fats

    The next time you see me running up and down the streets naked flogging girls and women with thongs cuts from goats and dogs Iโ€™ve sacrificed, feel free to call me outโ€ฆ

    How can you tell what these wimmins’ unmentionables are made of so’s you can flog the right ones? What if they’re made from cat?
    Or is this some sort of weirdo Valentine celebration you’ve cooked up in your heathen “religion”, where the celebrants run around in their altogether in the light of the full moon, showing all their full moons?

  95. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’ve always had a feeling that fat albert was a flamen dialis.

  96. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’ve always had a feeling that fat albert was a flamen dialis.

  97. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I am not even going to address that particular siteโ€™s opinion of the Catholic Church as it is not relevant to the discussion.

    It is relevant. I’d be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you by chance picked that particular website except that you have a somewhat antagonistic history here when it comes to Catholicism that pretty much mirrors the website.

  98. Hamous Avatar

    I am not even going to address that particular siteโ€™s opinion of the Catholic Church as it is not relevant to the discussion.

    It is relevant. I’d be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you by chance picked that particular website except that you have a somewhat antagonistic history here when it comes to Catholicism that pretty much mirrors the website.

  99. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Paul Ryan at CPAC:

    โ€œI know there are people in this town who are terrified at the prospect of an election with real alternative visions at stake. โ€œMake it a referendum. Win by default,โ€ they say. โ€œJust oppose โ€“ we can win that way. Donโ€™t propose bold ideas โ€“ thatโ€™s too risky.โ€ Iโ€™ll admit, the easy way is always tempting. But my friends, if thatโ€™s all we stand for, then what are we doing at here CPAC โ€“ the place where so many giants of our movement came to advance their boldest ideas?ย  The next President will face fiscal and economic challenges that are huge, almost unprecedented. He canโ€™t resolve these challenges if he wins by default. He needs a mandate โ€“ not just to displace Barack Obama, but to preserve and strengthen the very Idea of America.โ€
    ย 
    โ€œEverybody knows this is politically risky territory. Republicans have their battle scars on entitlement reform. Thatโ€™s why some argue that we should downplay bold agendas and simply wage a campaign focused solely on the President and his party. I firmly disagree. Boldness and clarity offer the greatest opportunity to create a winning coalition. We will not only win the next election โ€“ we have a unique opportunity to sweep and remake the political landscape.โ€

  100. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Paul Ryan at CPAC:
    โ€œI know there are people in this town who are terrified at the prospect of an election with real alternative visions at stake. โ€œMake it a referendum. Win by default,โ€ they say. โ€œJust oppose โ€“ we can win that way. Donโ€™t propose bold ideas โ€“ thatโ€™s too risky.โ€ Iโ€™ll admit, the easy way is always tempting. But my friends, if thatโ€™s all we stand for, then what are we doing at here CPAC โ€“ the place where so many giants of our movement came to advance their boldest ideas?ย  The next President will face fiscal and economic challenges that are huge, almost unprecedented. He canโ€™t resolve these challenges if he wins by default. He needs a mandate โ€“ not just to displace Barack Obama, but to preserve and strengthen the very Idea of America.โ€
    ย 
    โ€œEverybody knows this is politically risky territory. Republicans have their battle scars on entitlement reform. Thatโ€™s why some argue that we should downplay bold agendas and simply wage a campaign focused solely on the President and his party. I firmly disagree. Boldness and clarity offer the greatest opportunity to create a winning coalition. We will not only win the next election โ€“ we have a unique opportunity to sweep and remake the political landscape.โ€

  101. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #48 Texpat nails it. At the very least it would be indecent exposure. ๐Ÿ™‚

  102. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    #48 Texpat nails it. At the very least it would be indecent exposure. ๐Ÿ™‚

  103. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Thanks for the pic, TT.

  104. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Thanks for the pic, TT.

  105. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #53 – If that Gent Ryan would shave a wee bit closer I’d kissim! (on the facial cheek only ๐Ÿ™‚ )

    why oh WHY didn’t he RUN?

  106. Katfish Avatar

    #53 – If that Gent Ryan would shave a wee bit closer I’d kissim! (on the facial cheek only ๐Ÿ™‚ )
    why oh WHY didn’t he RUN?

  107. Hamous Avatar

    #48: I have just learned that our tiny congregation no longer has a website.
    #49: We are Messianics; we believe in Messiah, what He did and why He came. We also believe that all of the Written Law (except for Temple service as it does not exist) is still in effect as Messiah Himself stated in Matt 5:17-20.
    #28 Shannon: you quoted Galatians and I don’t think you got it quite right. There were Judiazers (those who said you had to keep all of the oral tradition in order to be saved) that were plaguing the Galations. Slavish devotion to the oral tradition, as opposed to the Written Law, is a meaningless work of the flesh. Keeping the Written Law is Righteousness:

    Deut 6:22-25
    22 ‘Moreover, the Lord showed great and distressing signs and wonders before our eyes against Egypt, Pharaoh and all his household; 23 He brought us out from there in order to bring us in, to give us the land which He had sworn to our fathers.’ 24 “So the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. 25 “It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the Lord our God, just as He commanded us.
    Zeph 2:1-3

    2 Gather yourselves together, yes, gather,
    O nation without shame,
    2 Before the decree takes effect โ€”
    The day passes like the chaff โ€”
    Before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you,
    Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you.
    3 Seek the Lord,
    All you humble of the earth
    Who have carried out His ordinances;
    Seek righteousness, seek humility.
    Perhaps you will be hidden
    In the day of the Lord’s anger.
    NASB

    NASU

    Ps 119:169-172

    169 Let my cry come before Thee, O Lord;
    Give me understanding according to Thy word.
    170 Let my supplication come before Thee;
    Deliver me according to Thy word.
    171 Let my lips utter praise,
    For Thou dost teach me Thy statutes.
    172 Let my tongue sing of Thy word,
    For all Thy commandments are righteousness.

    NASB
    2 Tim 3:12-17
    12 And indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them; 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
    NASB

    When the last citation was written, All Scripture meant The Old Testament. From the other citations, hopefully, you will be able to see that Righteousness = keeping The Written Law.

    New Covenant:

    Jer 31:27-34

    A New Covenant

    27 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and with the seed of beast. 28 “As I have watched over them to pluck up, to break down, to overthrow, to destroy and to bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the Lord.

    29 “In those days they will not say again,
    ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
    And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’

    30 “But everyone will die for his own iniquity; each man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth will be set on edge.

    31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
    NASU

    When the New Covenant was uttered in the Old Testament what do you think was meant by HIS LAW? I submit that it was The Torah then, just like now.

    Now when we read Revelation ch 3, we may glean a little more understanding. Remember that Messiah said “The Father and I are One”. When HE said that The Father’s Ways were Written in The Torah. The Father’s Ways and Messiah’s Ways are One; it has to be this way or they are not one.

    Rev 3:7-13

    Message to Philadelphia

    7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

    He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:

    8 ‘I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 ‘Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie โ€” I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 ‘I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12 ‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. 13 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
    NASU

    This is Messiah speaking, verse 8 “you have a little power” I am pretty sure this means that there aren’t very many of you.

    Matt 7:13-14

    13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14 “For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.
    NASB

    Because Messiah said that He and The Father are One, then: “and have kept My word’ means that Messiah’s Word is the same as Father’s Word, and The Torah is Father’s Word.
    next: “and have not denied My name.” That is recognizing Who Messiah was and Why He came and boldly proclaiming it.

    I figure that most if not all of you will reject completely what I have said here, or will try to twist it into something that I did not say. I have based my faith and tried to relate that to y’all base solely on what is written and not what is traditional. Tradition really does not mean much to me, particularly when it conflict with what is actually written. In this post and others today, I have not attacked anyone.

  108. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #48: I have just learned that our tiny congregation no longer has a website.
    #49: We are Messianics; we believe in Messiah, what He did and why He came. We also believe that all of the Written Law (except for Temple service as it does not exist) is still in effect as Messiah Himself stated in Matt 5:17-20.
    #28 Shannon: you quoted Galatians and I don’t think you got it quite right. There were Judiazers (those who said you had to keep all of the oral tradition in order to be saved) that were plaguing the Galations. Slavish devotion to the oral tradition, as opposed to the Written Law, is a meaningless work of the flesh. Keeping the Written Law is Righteousness:

    Deut 6:22-25
    22 ‘Moreover, the Lord showed great and distressing signs and wonders before our eyes against Egypt, Pharaoh and all his household; 23 He brought us out from there in order to bring us in, to give us the land which He had sworn to our fathers.’ 24 “So the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. 25 “It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the Lord our God, just as He commanded us.
    Zeph 2:1-3
    2 Gather yourselves together, yes, gather,
    O nation without shame,
    2 Before the decree takes effect โ€”
    The day passes like the chaff โ€”
    Before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you,
    Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you.
    3 Seek the Lord,
    All you humble of the earth
    Who have carried out His ordinances;
    Seek righteousness, seek humility.
    Perhaps you will be hidden
    In the day of the Lord’s anger.
    NASB
    NASU
    Ps 119:169-172
    169 Let my cry come before Thee, O Lord;
    Give me understanding according to Thy word.
    170 Let my supplication come before Thee;
    Deliver me according to Thy word.
    171 Let my lips utter praise,
    For Thou dost teach me Thy statutes.
    172 Let my tongue sing of Thy word,
    For all Thy commandments are righteousness.

    NASB
    2 Tim 3:12-17
    12 And indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them; 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
    NASB

    When the last citation was written, All Scripture meant The Old Testament. From the other citations, hopefully, you will be able to see that Righteousness = keeping The Written Law.
    New Covenant:

    Jer 31:27-34
    A New Covenant
    27 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and with the seed of beast. 28 “As I have watched over them to pluck up, to break down, to overthrow, to destroy and to bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the Lord.
    29 “In those days they will not say again,
    ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
    And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
    30 “But everyone will die for his own iniquity; each man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth will be set on edge.
    31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
    NASU

    When the New Covenant was uttered in the Old Testament what do you think was meant by HIS LAW? I submit that it was The Torah then, just like now.
    Now when we read Revelation ch 3, we may glean a little more understanding. Remember that Messiah said “The Father and I are One”. When HE said that The Father’s Ways were Written in The Torah. The Father’s Ways and Messiah’s Ways are One; it has to be this way or they are not one.

    Rev 3:7-13
    Message to Philadelphia
    7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
    He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:
    8 ‘I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 ‘Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie โ€” I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 ‘I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12 ‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. 13 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
    NASU

    This is Messiah speaking, verse 8 “you have a little power” I am pretty sure this means that there aren’t very many of you.

    Matt 7:13-14
    13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14 “For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.
    NASB

    Because Messiah said that He and The Father are One, then: “and have kept My word’ means that Messiah’s Word is the same as Father’s Word, and The Torah is Father’s Word.
    next: “and have not denied My name.” That is recognizing Who Messiah was and Why He came and boldly proclaiming it.
    I figure that most if not all of you will reject completely what I have said here, or will try to twist it into something that I did not say. I have based my faith and tried to relate that to y’all base solely on what is written and not what is traditional. Tradition really does not mean much to me, particularly when it conflict with what is actually written. In this post and others today, I have not attacked anyone.

  109. Hamous Avatar

    #52 Hamous: I picked that site based on a quick google search “origins of Valentines day”. To my knowledge, it is the first time I have ever been there and the only page I read today was the one I linked. That is the absolute truth, had I known of all the postings on that site I would have avoided it as it caused much unnecessary consternation that was not relevant to the narrow question of the origins of valentines day and should we participate in it.

    The fact that the site has many positions that happen to mirror mine makes it pretty clear that I am not alone in at least some of my beliefs. I do not think it is productive or proper to speak to Catholics and tell them that the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon as that will shut down any and all understanding. I am pretty sure that I have never made or agreed with that statement. Quoting specific and cogent Scripture is all that I have tried to do. Remember, it was you that went digging around on that site, not me. As I said above, the only page I looked at was the one I linked having to do with the celebration in question.

  110. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #52 Hamous: I picked that site based on a quick google search “origins of Valentines day”. To my knowledge, it is the first time I have ever been there and the only page I read today was the one I linked. That is the absolute truth, had I known of all the postings on that site I would have avoided it as it caused much unnecessary consternation that was not relevant to the narrow question of the origins of valentines day and should we participate in it.
    The fact that the site has many positions that happen to mirror mine makes it pretty clear that I am not alone in at least some of my beliefs. I do not think it is productive or proper to speak to Catholics and tell them that the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon as that will shut down any and all understanding. I am pretty sure that I have never made or agreed with that statement. Quoting specific and cogent Scripture is all that I have tried to do. Remember, it was you that went digging around on that site, not me. As I said above, the only page I looked at was the one I linked having to do with the celebration in question.

  111. Katfish Avatar

    Let’s try to keep the lengths of our posts down to a screen or so.

  112. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Let’s try to keep the lengths of our posts down to a screen or so.

  113. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    To my knowledge, it is the first time I have ever been there and the only page I read today was the one I linked. That is the absolute truth

    I believe you. Funny enough, the first person to link to that site before today was Tedtam way back in December of 2010 ๐Ÿ˜‰

  114. Hamous Avatar

    To my knowledge, it is the first time I have ever been there and the only page I read today was the one I linked. That is the absolute truth

    I believe you. Funny enough, the first person to link to that site before today was Tedtam way back in December of 2010 ๐Ÿ˜‰

  115. Hamous Avatar

    #49 Simple:

    It is no secret that many so-called Christian holidays have no relationship
    to the practices early Christians. I have always understood that many of the
    holidays and some of the Catholic Church practices were accomodations
    to the pagan population by the Emperor Constantine to โ€œsellโ€ the Christian
    religion to the Roman pagans.

    Thank you for bringing this up as it is very relevant to the discussion. The passage in Deut cited in #8 makes it real clear that they are not supposed to do that.

  116. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #49 Simple:

    It is no secret that many so-called Christian holidays have no relationship
    to the practices early Christians. I have always understood that many of the
    holidays and some of the Catholic Church practices were accomodations
    to the pagan population by the Emperor Constantine to โ€œsellโ€ the Christian
    religion to the Roman pagans.

    Thank you for bringing this up as it is very relevant to the discussion. The passage in Deut cited in #8 makes it real clear that they are not supposed to do that.

  117. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bones, I don’t think anyone here cares. I know I don’t. Can we give it a rest?

  118. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bones, I don’t think anyone here cares. I know I don’t. Can we give it a rest?

  119. Hamous Avatar

    #62 Sure, I’m done. I had no intention of it getting this out of hand in the first wissin place.
    I do reserve the privilege of answering questions and I will try to make them brief.

  120. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #62 Sure, I’m done. I had no intention of it getting this out of hand in the first wissin place.
    I do reserve the privilege of answering questions and I will try to make them brief.

  121. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Cue the band

  122. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Cue the band

  123. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK, I just stopped by and have NOT even read the lead article, let alone all the comments, BUTT, the Pix says; “Iโ€™d rather have 1 Walker,..etc,”
    Well, I like do like Walker Dogs, but I really prefer Redbones. ๐Ÿ˜€

  124. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK, I just stopped by and have NOT even read the lead article, let alone all the comments, BUTT, the Pix says; “Iโ€™d rather have 1 Walker,..etc,”
    Well, I like do like Walker Dogs, but I really prefer Redbones. ๐Ÿ˜€

  125. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The question remains, how does buying my girlfriend a box of chocolates and a dozen roses constitute pagan worship? For that matter, how does my kids hunting for easter eggs constitute pagan worship? It’s a game. Nothing more.

  126. Hamous Avatar

    The question remains, how does buying my girlfriend a box of chocolates and a dozen roses constitute pagan worship? For that matter, how does my kids hunting for easter eggs constitute pagan worship? It’s a game. Nothing more.

  127. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    someone say BAND?

    as one of the commenters below this song says:

    I know the boy is๏ปฟ from Glasgow but man he sounds like he’s from the Delta.

    Dire Straits – Water Of Love

  128. Katfish Avatar

    someone say BAND?
    as one of the commenters below this song says:

    I know the boy is๏ปฟ from Glasgow but man he sounds like he’s from the Delta.

    Dire Straits – Water Of Love

  129. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #67 hamous
    heathen

  130. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Did somebody say The Band?

  131. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Did somebody say The Band?

  132. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    #67, Is that a hypothetical, or have you landed one?

  133. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    #67, Is that a hypothetical, or have you landed one?

  134. Hamous Avatar

    #67 Ifn you wanna buy her roses and chocolates on any other day, no problem whatsoever in my book. On that particular day, in celebration of that day; well that really speaks for itself, doesn’t it? Where does the whole idea of hunting for easter eggs come from? Where does the idea of dying eggs for the easter celebration come from? What do eggs have to do with springtime or the resurrection and where is that association in Scripture? How does the answer to those 3 questions square with the Scripture quotation cited in #8 above?

    Itโ€™s a game. Nothing more.

    If that is what you choose to believe, I can’t really do anything about that other than quote what HIS WORD actually says.
    I will close with this:

    Rom 8:6-9
    6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
    NASB

    The Law of God is spiritual with earthly application, it has to have earthly applications because it governs us and we live on earth. The teachings and commandments of men are fleshly.

  135. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #67 Ifn you wanna buy her roses and chocolates on any other day, no problem whatsoever in my book. On that particular day, in celebration of that day; well that really speaks for itself, doesn’t it? Where does the whole idea of hunting for easter eggs come from? Where does the idea of dying eggs for the easter celebration come from? What do eggs have to do with springtime or the resurrection and where is that association in Scripture? How does the answer to those 3 questions square with the Scripture quotation cited in #8 above?

    Itโ€™s a game. Nothing more.

    If that is what you choose to believe, I can’t really do anything about that other than quote what HIS WORD actually says.
    I will close with this:

    Rom 8:6-9
    6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
    NASB

    The Law of God is spiritual with earthly application, it has to have earthly applications because it governs us and we live on earth. The teachings and commandments of men are fleshly.

  136. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Put a sock in it and post some tunes killjoy.

  137. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Put a sock in it and post some tunes killjoy.

  138. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Oy vey!

  139. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Oy! Oy! Oy!

  140. Dooood Avatar

    #70 Shannon

    Norah and Wynton.

    Thanks, you didn’t just make my day, you made my week.

    Pluperfection.

  141. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #70 Shannon
    Norah and Wynton.
    Thanks, you didn’t just make my day, you made my week.
    Pluperfection.

  142. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go-oh-oh

  143. Hamous Avatar

    Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go-oh-oh

  144. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    One of my favorite Los Lobos songs

  145. Hamous Avatar

    One of my favorite Los Lobos songs

  146. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Guadalcanal Canal Diary with intro by Nina Blackwood.

  147. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Guadalcanal Canal Diary with intro by Nina Blackwood.

  148. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Man, all my Spirit was on cassette. Long gone.

  149. Hamous Avatar

    Man, all my Spirit was on cassette. Long gone.

  150. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Never heard this. Healy does Spirit.

  151. phil Avatar
    phil

    When the Pipeline Professor takes over the blog this doesn’t seem like a half bad option.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssoBUb2cJk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  152. phil Avatar
    phil

    When the Pipeline Professor takes over the blog this doesn’t seem like a half bad option.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssoBUb2cJk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  153. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Pipeline Professor? Heh, that’s funny!

  154. Hamous Avatar

    Pipeline Professor? Heh, that’s funny!

  155. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    84 Hamous says:

    February 9, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Del Lords

    Del Shannon

  156. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    84 Hamous says:
    February 9, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    Del Lords

    Del Shannon

  157. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    The Gourds do a blue grass Snoop Dog Cover. It is likely going to offend Hammy’s Granny, listen at one’s risk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4hGSR5njZE

  158. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    The Gourds do a blue grass Snoop Dog Cover. It is likely going to offend Hammy’s Granny, listen at one’s risk.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4hGSR5njZE

  159. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I think Granny’s probably heard that one emanating from my iPod.

  160. Hamous Avatar

    I think Granny’s probably heard that one emanating from my iPod.

  161. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    101, Somebody else bought the cd? Wow.

  162. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    101, Somebody else bought the cd? Wow.

  163. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I was gonna play Sweat Loaf but that would be over the top.

  164. Hamous Avatar

    I was gonna play Sweat Loaf but that would be over the top.

  165. Dooood Avatar

    #99 Sarge

    I was 9 years old and went to bed every night with my transistor radio on my pillow tuned to Gordon McClendon’s KILT “Top 40” radio station in Houston.

    In 1961, they played Del Shannon’s Runaway about every 12 minutes.

    Few people realize what a pioneer McClendon was in the radio business and that he invented the Top 40 format used across the nation. There’s a radio museum in Dallas’ West End funded by the McClendon family with a lot of the memorabilia from his career.

  166. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #99 Sarge
    I was 9 years old and went to bed every night with my transistor radio on my pillow tuned to Gordon McClendon’s KILT “Top 40” radio station in Houston.
    In 1961, they played Del Shannon’s Runaway about every 12 minutes.
    Few people realize what a pioneer McClendon was in the radio business and that he invented the Top 40 format used across the nation. There’s a radio museum in Dallas’ West End funded by the McClendon family with a lot of the memorabilia from his career.

  167. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Look what they’ve done. It’s the death of a nation.

  168. Hamous Avatar

    Look what they’ve done. It’s the death of a nation.

  169. Dooood Avatar

    Bet you haven’t seen this one.

    Randy Newman, Ry Cooder and Linda Ronstadt in a bar singing Rider in the Rain.

    Most excellent.

  170. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Bet you haven’t seen this one.
    Randy Newman, Ry Cooder and Linda Ronstadt in a bar singing Rider in the Rain.
    Most excellent.

  171. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    86
    Great stuff

  172. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    86
    Great stuff

  173. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Texpat says:

    February 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    #99 Sarge

    I was 9 years old and went to bed every night with my transistor radio on my pillow tuned to Gordon McClendonโ€™s KILT โ€œTop 40โ€ณ radio station in Houston.

    In 1961, they played Del Shannonโ€™s Runaway about every 12 minutes.

    Yep.

    And a couple years later it was this one.

  174. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Texpat says:
    February 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    #99 Sarge
    I was 9 years old and went to bed every night with my transistor radio on my pillow tuned to Gordon McClendonโ€™s KILT โ€œTop 40โ€ณ radio station in Houston.
    In 1961, they played Del Shannonโ€™s Runaway about every 12 minutes.

    Yep.
    And a couple years later it was this one.

  175. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I can say I witnessed the year Willie jumped the shark.

  176. Hamous Avatar

    I can say I witnessed the year Willie jumped the shark.

  177. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    When Willie is singing with Snoop it’s time to…

  178. Hamous Avatar

    When Willie is singing with Snoop it’s time to…

  179. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #114 Have you listened to his son? Good stuff.

  180. Hamous Avatar

    #114 Have you listened to his son? Good stuff.

  181. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Eddie Arnold. My Dad did his best to sing along to this.

  182. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Eddie Arnold. My Dad did his best to sing along to this.

  183. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Heh heh.

    /Yoo’s a rascal, Hamous.

  184. Hamous Avatar

    Heh heh.

    /Yoo’s a rascal, Hamous.

  185. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    #117, Heard it, did not know the connection.

  186. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    #117, Heard it, did not know the connection.

  187. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Why was Elvis so big when there was Roger Miller?

  188. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Why was Elvis so big when there was Roger Miller?

  189. phil Avatar
    phil

    #113 Hamous

    That was hard to watch.

  190. phil Avatar
    phil

    #113 Hamous
    That was hard to watch.

  191. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Commander Cody rocks out on a Cossack fiddle.

  192. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Commander Cody rocks out on a Cossack fiddle.

  193. phil Avatar
    phil

    Speaking of shark jumpin’.

  194. phil Avatar
    phil

    Speaking of shark jumpin’.

  195. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    The weekend tunes & videos started early, so y’all rock on & I’ll catch ya later.

  196. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    The weekend tunes & videos started early, so y’all rock on & I’ll catch ya later.

  197. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    If I mention that today’s Thor’s day, does that put me on the road to perdition?

  198. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    If I mention that today’s Thor’s day, does that put me on the road to perdition?

  199. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    108
    Mmmm mmmm mmmm

  200. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    108
    Mmmm mmmm mmmm

  201. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Haven’t heard Sweet Jane in a long while.

  202. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Haven’t heard Sweet Jane in a long while.

  203. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Hoyt Axton singing about a cat.

  204. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    Hoyt Axton singing about a cat.

  205. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    I reckon most here are old enough to have seen this at least once.

  206. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    I reckon most here are old enough to have seen this at least once.

  207. Tedtam Avatar

    Oh, gawd, it’s turned into a music thread. /facepalm

    Adee, thanks Hammy for the picture. I asked him to put it in for me, as I was otherwise occupied and he is much more gifted at these types of things.

  208. Tedtam Avatar

    Oh, gawd, it’s turned into a music thread. /facepalm
    Adee, thanks Hammy for the picture. I asked him to put it in for me, as I was otherwise occupied and he is much more gifted at these types of things.

  209. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Texas is one of the eight states that negotiated $25B in agreements with five mortgage lenders accused of violating state laws with regards to confiscation of homeowners property and such through foreclosure. Of the $25B settlement, Texas homeowners may receive $287M with another $141M going to the state.
    I cannot express how traumatic it is to nearly lose a house due to the scams these organizations pulled to make money off of foreclosure actions.
    As a result of their malfeasance, many homeowners may be faced with paying mortgage fees to companies that may not legally hold the note. And the actual owner’s will show up someday.

  210. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Texas is one of the eight states that negotiated $25B in agreements with five mortgage lenders accused of violating state laws with regards to confiscation of homeowners property and such through foreclosure. Of the $25B settlement, Texas homeowners may receive $287M with another $141M going to the state.
    I cannot express how traumatic it is to nearly lose a house due to the scams these organizations pulled to make money off of foreclosure actions.
    As a result of their malfeasance, many homeowners may be faced with paying mortgage fees to companies that may not legally hold the note. And the actual owner’s will show up someday.

  211. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #89 – Well DONE! that’s a rare classic!

  212. Katfish Avatar

    #89 – Well DONE! that’s a rare classic!

  213. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #108 – Good one! (when MsRonstadt still had a personality)

  214. Katfish Avatar

    #108 – Good one! (when MsRonstadt still had a personality)

  215. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #113 – that’s hilarious!

    another from the “one-CAN-sing-and-the-other-CAN’T” department

    LOVE HURTS

  216. Katfish Avatar

    #113 – that’s hilarious!
    another from the “one-CAN-sing-and-the-other-CAN’T” department
    LOVE HURTS

  217. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Aside from the usual collection of wing nuts, CPAC is hosting Peter Brimelow to participate at the “The Failure of Multiculturalism: How the pursuit of diversity is weakening the American Identity” forum.

    12:30 The Failure of Multiculturalism: How the pursuit of diversity is weakening the American Identity โ€“ Wilson C
    Sponsored by: ProEnglish
    Speakers: Robert Vandervoort, Executive Director, ProEnglish; John Derbyshire, contributing editor at National Review and author of We Are Doomed; Peter Brimelow, author of The Patriot Game: National Dreams and Political Realities and founder of VDARE.com; Dr. Serge Trifkovic, foreign affairs editor for Chronicles magazine; & Dr. Rosalie Porter, author of American Immigrant: My Life In Three Languages, chairwoman of the board, ProEnglish Open to all CPAC attendee

    Some folks may remember Mr. Brimelow:

    Peter Brimelow, a leading anti-immigration activist and author of the bestselling anti-immigrant tome Alien Nation, is the president of the VDARE Foundation, a nonprofit that warns against the polluting of America by non-whites, Catholics, and Spanish-speaking immigrants. He is also the most prominent contributor to the foundationโ€™s VDARE.com, an immigrant-bashing hate site that regularly publishes works by white supremacists, anti-Semites, and others on the radical right.

    Apparently Lincoln Rockwell is otherwise disposed.

  218. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Aside from the usual collection of wing nuts, CPAC is hosting Peter Brimelow to participate at the “The Failure of Multiculturalism: How the pursuit of diversity is weakening the American Identity” forum.

    12:30 The Failure of Multiculturalism: How the pursuit of diversity is weakening the American Identity โ€“ Wilson C
    Sponsored by: ProEnglish
    Speakers: Robert Vandervoort, Executive Director, ProEnglish; John Derbyshire, contributing editor at National Review and author of We Are Doomed; Peter Brimelow, author of The Patriot Game: National Dreams and Political Realities and founder of VDARE.com; Dr. Serge Trifkovic, foreign affairs editor for Chronicles magazine; & Dr. Rosalie Porter, author of American Immigrant: My Life In Three Languages, chairwoman of the board, ProEnglish Open to all CPAC attendee

    Some folks may remember Mr. Brimelow:

    Peter Brimelow, a leading anti-immigration activist and author of the bestselling anti-immigrant tome Alien Nation, is the president of the VDARE Foundation, a nonprofit that warns against the polluting of America by non-whites, Catholics, and Spanish-speaking immigrants. He is also the most prominent contributor to the foundationโ€™s VDARE.com, an immigrant-bashing hate site that regularly publishes works by white supremacists, anti-Semites, and others on the radical right.

    Apparently Lincoln Rockwell is otherwise disposed.

  219. Katfish Avatar

    #67, Is that a hypothetical, or have you landed one?

    Landed = “close enough to the boat to bonk on noggin with oar”

  220. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #67, Is that a hypothetical, or have you landed one?

    Landed = “close enough to the boat to bonk on noggin with oar”

  221. Katfish Avatar

    #108 โ€“ Good one! (when MsRonstadt {hubba hubba} still had a personality)

  222. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #108 โ€“ Good one! (when MsRonstadt {hubba hubba} still had a personality)

  223. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #131 – “A DJs best friend” (when he or she needs to go to the head)………………….3 minutes and 20 seconds of the BEST & longest intro in Rock&Roll (and quite a bit better IMHO than the actual song)

    ๐Ÿ™‚

  224. Katfish Avatar

    #131 – “A DJs best friend” (when he or she needs to go to the head)………………….3 minutes and 20 seconds of the BEST & longest intro in Rock&Roll (and quite a bit better IMHO than the actual song)
    ๐Ÿ™‚

  225. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    The administration has granted licenses to two new nuclear reactors, the first in thirty years.

  226. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    The administration has granted licenses to two new nuclear reactors, the first in thirty years.

  227. Katfish Avatar

    Dude.

    It’s nukuler.

  228. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Dude.
    It’s nukuler.

  229. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    It’s hard to believe that with such a realistic simulation as this, they were so woefully unprepared for a Tsunami.

    Fake rhino attempts zoo escape

  230. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    It’s hard to believe that with such a realistic simulation as this, they were so woefully unprepared for a Tsunami.

    Fake rhino attempts zoo escape

  231. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Just in time for St. Valentine’s day for all you Satan worshiping pagans

    Dried meat makes these edible Paleo panties a tasty treat. This valentines day give your significant other a truly unique gift

  232. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    Just in time for St. Valentine’s day for all you Satan worshiping pagans

    Dried meat makes these edible Paleo panties a tasty treat. This valentines day give your significant other a truly unique gift

  233. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    /just checking back in

    I was simply complaining about Valentines Day radio commercials. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    /daring to scroll back up

  234. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    /just checking back in
    I was simply complaining about Valentines Day radio commercials. ๐Ÿ˜ณ
    /daring to scroll back up

  235. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    #146

    Bacon flavored? ๐Ÿ’ก

  236. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #146
    Bacon flavored? ๐Ÿ’ก

  237. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    One more thing for Texas to be proud of

    A 32-year-old model who held the record for the world’s largest implants has walked away from a car crash after her breasts acted as an airbag.
    Sheyla Hershey, who has 38KKK breasts, was driving home near Houston, Texas, after a Super Bowl party on Sunday when she crashed into a tree.

    I’m amazed her arms were long enough to reach the wheel.

  238. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    One more thing for Texas to be proud of

    A 32-year-old model who held the record for the world’s largest implants has walked away from a car crash after her breasts acted as an airbag.
    Sheyla Hershey, who has 38KKK breasts, was driving home near Houston, Texas, after a Super Bowl party on Sunday when she crashed into a tree.

    I’m amazed her arms were long enough to reach the wheel.

  239. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And the so-called Obama administration does nothing.

    A few years ago, hog farmers throughout the Midwest noticed foam building on top of their manure pits. Soon after, barns began exploding, killing thousands of hogs while farmers lost millions of dollars.
    A team of University of Minnesota researchers is looking to find a fix for the foam that is plaguing hog farms.
    The foam traps gases like methane and when a spark ignites it causes an explosion. About a half dozen barns in the Midwest have exploded since the foam was discovered in 2009.

  240. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    And the so-called Obama administration does nothing.

    A few years ago, hog farmers throughout the Midwest noticed foam building on top of their manure pits. Soon after, barns began exploding, killing thousands of hogs while farmers lost millions of dollars.
    A team of University of Minnesota researchers is looking to find a fix for the foam that is plaguing hog farms.
    The foam traps gases like methane and when a spark ignites it causes an explosion. About a half dozen barns in the Midwest have exploded since the foam was discovered in 2009.

  241. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I’m thankful for the pagan stores yesterday for when I saw chocolate Easter bunnies out it reminded me that Easter’s soon to come. Time to prepare my mind and soul to give dedicated reverence, thanks, and worship to The Easter Bunny God Most High for sending His Beloved Son to not only die for me and my sins but to overcome physical death that so its chain will have no hold upon me or my family.

  242. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I’m thankful for the pagan stores yesterday for when I saw chocolate Easter bunnies out it reminded me that Easter’s soon to come. Time to prepare my mind and soul to give dedicated reverence, thanks, and worship to The Easter Bunny God Most High for sending His Beloved Son to not only die for me and my sins but to overcome physical death that so its chain will have no hold upon me or my family.

  243. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oh, yeah, and Valentine’s day’s coming up too. I have a $40 gift in mind but our budget is tight. I’ll see if I can squeeze that gift in. and now that Mrs,. Darren’s pregnant she wants chocolate (and beef) more than usual.

  244. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oh, yeah, and Valentine’s day’s coming up too. I have a $40 gift in mind but our budget is tight. I’ll see if I can squeeze that gift in. and now that Mrs,. Darren’s pregnant she wants chocolate (and beef) more than usual.

  245. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Bonecrusher;

    I really don’t want to extend this dialogue so this’ll probably be the only question I’ll offer. You cited Deoteronomy to fobid the worship of false gods. That’s good. Likewise, as you well know the Shema, YHWH was the only God Isreal was to worship. Well, isn’t that what the Christian Easter celebration is doing?

    And I don’t see how buying chocolates is going to lead to my worshipping Baal or any other false god.

    UPDATE: Eating chocolates might give me pimples though.

  246. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Bonecrusher;
    I really don’t want to extend this dialogue so this’ll probably be the only question I’ll offer. You cited Deoteronomy to fobid the worship of false gods. That’s good. Likewise, as you well know the Shema, YHWH was the only God Isreal was to worship. Well, isn’t that what the Christian Easter celebration is doing?
    And I don’t see how buying chocolates is going to lead to my worshipping Baal or any other false god.
    UPDATE: Eating chocolates might give me pimples though.

  247. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    … she wants chocolate (and beef) more than usual.

    I have it on good authority that both Molech and Chemosh were known to gnosh on chocolate covered jerky.

  248. shamaal Avatar
    shamaal

    … she wants chocolate (and beef) more than usual.

    I have it on good authority that both Molech and Chemosh were known to gnosh on chocolate covered jerky.

  249. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shamaal;

    I was thinking about chocolate-covered hamburgers myself. LOL!

  250. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shamaal;
    I was thinking about chocolate-covered hamburgers myself. LOL!

  251. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Don’t mess with Dad! Apparently a teenager got a little smart alecky with her parents on Facebook. Dad posted a video response on her wall. The best part comes at 7:15 into the clip.

    It’s good to see a parent that cares enough to discipline their child.

  252. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Don’t mess with Dad! Apparently a teenager got a little smart alecky with her parents on Facebook. Dad posted a video response on her wall. The best part comes at 7:15 into the clip.
    It’s good to see a parent that cares enough to discipline their child.

  253. Tedtam Avatar

    I sent that link to Lovely Daughter and Aggie Beau, to save for their children to see.

  254. Tedtam Avatar

    I sent that link to Lovely Daughter and Aggie Beau, to save for their children to see.

  255. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #156 – go Dad GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (that teenager got off EASY – she should be thanking God she aint MY child!)

  256. Katfish Avatar

    #156 – go Dad GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (that teenager got off EASY – she should be thanking God she aint MY child!)

  257. Katfish Avatar

    He had a pretty tight grouping.

  258. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    He had a pretty tight grouping.

  259. Tedtam Avatar

    Kinda like the daughter’s sphincter, once she sees that video. Or hears about it from her friends.

    Or finds her laptop.

  260. Tedtam Avatar

    Kinda like the daughter’s sphincter, once she sees that video. Or hears about it from her friends.
    Or finds her laptop.

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