Yesterday, our host showed us all some shocking evidence that the residents of Sesame Street were up to no good. Further research has now shown that another resident of Sesame Street has been on the wrong side of the law for quite some time.
Even giving support to the (former) most wanted man in the world.
Yet one more reason to eliminate funding for PBS.
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These guys are getting pretty funny:
Attempting to emulate the Occupy Wall Street protests, Washington activists and some out-of-town guests set themselves the lofty goal of occupying the Hart Senate Office Building. “We are there to shut the place down!” organizer David Swanson told his small band of followers.
But how to do this with only a few dozen demonstrators? Well, Swanson said, they could push all the buttons on the elevators — the way naughty children sometimes do in apartment buildings. “There are people who are wanting to go into the elevators and fill them and not get out and push all the buttons,” he said. “If you like that, do it.”
To swell their ranks, protesters recruited the homeless to camp with them.
By the time they filed into the Hart building, the demonstrators were outnumbered by reporters, photographers and police. The cops quickly confiscated their banners and sealed off the atrium. Curious staffers stepped from their offices to check on the protest but found little action.
“That’s it?” one asked another.
Yep. That’s it.
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These guys are getting pretty funny:
Attempting to emulate the Occupy Wall Street protests, Washington activists and some out-of-town guests set themselves the lofty goal of occupying the Hart Senate Office Building. “We are there to shut the place down!” organizer David Swanson told his small band of followers.
But how to do this with only a few dozen demonstrators? Well, Swanson said, they could push all the buttons on the elevators — the way naughty children sometimes do in apartment buildings. “There are people who are wanting to go into the elevators and fill them and not get out and push all the buttons,” he said. “If you like that, do it.”To swell their ranks, protesters recruited the homeless to camp with them.
By the time they filed into the Hart building, the demonstrators were outnumbered by reporters, photographers and police. The cops quickly confiscated their banners and sealed off the atrium. Curious staffers stepped from their offices to check on the protest but found little action.
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gosh Dave, you killed the blog early. 🙂
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gosh Dave, you killed the blog early. 🙂
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#4 Tim
Good post. One confused commenter there had some good points, but this point is basically brain-dead:a taxpayer is SUPPOSED to get most or all of his/her paid taxes back in some form, after all, foreign aid is a tiny fraction of the budget and the rest doesn’t get launched into space or put under a matress, so it will return to the American taxpayers somehow
This person doesn’t understand how so much revenue is funneled into gubmint employee salaries & benefits, not to mention all the give-aways like housing, food, medical, even heating subsidies, and then the fraudulent gubmint deals like Solyndra. None of that money is being returned to taxpayers, it’s just going down a rathole.
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#4 Tim
Good post. One confused commenter there had some good points, but this point is basically brain-dead:a taxpayer is SUPPOSED to get most or all of his/her paid taxes back in some form, after all, foreign aid is a tiny fraction of the budget and the rest doesn’t get launched into space or put under a matress, so it will return to the American taxpayers somehow
This person doesn’t understand how so much revenue is funneled into gubmint employee salaries & benefits, not to mention all the give-aways like housing, food, medical, even heating subsidies, and then the fraudulent gubmint deals like Solyndra. None of that money is being returned to taxpayers, it’s just going down a rathole.
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Good morning Hamsters. Delilghtful 65 with ground mist forming at 6. Beautiful Hunter’s Moon graces the sky on her way to bed; all is enveloped in the softness of the night before Dawn’s rosy fingers lightly touch the horizon and claim the day. Later, the mist thins as it rises at the call of the Sun’s red/gold disk as he begins his ascent through the treeline, shafts of light turn it to a softly glowing pink gossamer thing. A few birds stir and fly high over the scene while all below is waking. Emerald green returns to the landscape thanks to God’s rain on Sunday. A good if warm day beckons. Thank you, Lord.
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Good morning Hamsters. Delilghtful 65 with ground mist forming at 6. Beautiful Hunter’s Moon graces the sky on her way to bed; all is enveloped in the softness of the night before Dawn’s rosy fingers lightly touch the horizon and claim the day. Later, the mist thins as it rises at the call of the Sun’s red/gold disk as he begins his ascent through the treeline, shafts of light turn it to a softly glowing pink gossamer thing. A few birds stir and fly high over the scene while all below is waking. Emerald green returns to the landscape thanks to God’s rain on Sunday. A good if warm day beckons. Thank you, Lord.
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This is really neat
http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm -
This is really neat
http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm
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#6 Adee — A lovely weather poem this morning!
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#6 Adee — A lovely weather poem this morning!
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From Drudge; OBAMA PITTSBURGH 2008 VS. 2011
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From Drudge; OBAMA PITTSBURGH 2008 VS. 2011
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It looks like Israel is going to pay a huge price to obtain the release of Gilad Shalit.
(Reuters) – Israel and Gaza’s Hamas Islamist rulers agreed on Tuesday to swap more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for Israeli captive soldier Gilad Shalit, resolving one of the most emotive and intractable issues between them.
So 1000 Pal prisoners = 1 Israeli soldier. Now let’s take that to the next logical level, if 1Israeli soldier or civilian is killed by a rocket or missile or suicide bomber then 1000 Pals have to die in retaliation.
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It looks like Israel is going to pay a huge price to obtain the release of Gilad Shalit.
(Reuters) – Israel and Gaza’s Hamas Islamist rulers agreed on Tuesday to swap more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for Israeli captive soldier Gilad Shalit, resolving one of the most emotive and intractable issues between them.
So 1000 Pal prisoners = 1 Israeli soldier. Now let’s take that to the next logical level, if 1Israeli soldier or civilian is killed by a rocket or missile or suicide bomber then 1000 Pals have to die in retaliation.
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#7 TEX: That rifle is OK except for the fact that it weighs 20 wissin pounds and is not worth a crapola ifn you shoot left handed.
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#7 TEX: That rifle is OK except for the fact that it weighs 20 wissin pounds and is not worth a crapola ifn you shoot left handed.
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Texanadian
gosh Dave, you killed the blog early.
Yup, but it looks like you and the rest of the Gang resurrected it. 😉
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Texanadian
gosh Dave, you killed the blog early.
Yup, but it looks like you and the rest of the Gang resurrected it. 😉
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Dave, hold down the fort, wouldja? Iron Mary is off to jury duty now. 🙂
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Dave, hold down the fort, wouldja? Iron Mary is off to jury duty now. 🙂
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“When He had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, He bowed His head and gave up His spirit” (John 19:30).
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“When He had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, He bowed His head and gave up His spirit” (John 19:30).
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Referencing yesterdays thread:
To those of you who think that Paul taught against keeping the Torah, I suggest you read the first 3 chapters of Romans and pay real close attention to the summation in chapter 3 verse 31. If you still think that he taught against keeping the Torah after reading 3:31, I suggest that you are in denial. When one “establishes The Law” a reasonable conclusion is that it is to be kept in full.
#121 Darren:Christ’s fulfilment of the Law completed the law and thus making the law in and of itself a source of direction which no longer needed to be followed.
IF that is the case, why did Messiah say repeatedly in Matt 5 that HE DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW? If your position is that The Law no longer needed to be followed that is exactly the same thing as abolishing The Law; which Messiah was clear that HE did not come to do.
The passage in Mark 7 is about the washing of hands, not food – read the first 3 verses to be clear on that point. Verse 19 about . . . .(thus making all foods clean) was added and it say so clearly in my NASB study bible. To prove the point, go to Matt 15 where the same story is recounted as the Mark 7 story; around v 20 Messiah states clearly “therefore eating with unwashed hands does not make a man impure”. The bigger picture in these 2 accounts of the same event is that HE was speaking against the teachings and commandments of men being placed on an equal or higher level than the teachings and commandments of Y_VH.The Torah is how Y_VH wants us to live; it is the code of behavior for believers.
To those who say that you are under the new covenant, what exactly is that and where is it written? The New Covenant is mentioned in Jeremiah CH 31 and the newness is that instead of writing HIS LAW on tablets of stone, HE will write HIS LAW (the same LAW) on our hearts so that we will be eager to keep it. It is also a new covenant because both Israel and Judah serially violated the original covenant to such a degree that HE divorced us. The Torah states clearly that if a man divorces his wife and she re-marries (this is the same thing that happened spiritually when we were divorced from HIM and we clung to a different god) he is not allowed to re-marry her should her subsequent husband die. In order for the woman (and that is us) to re-marry HIM one of us has to die to satisfy HIS LAW. Messiah did that for us; HE redeemed us back into a marriageable state by HIS SHED BLOOD – that is what I call mercy and grace, as we were totally undeserving of such an act. If what I just said is true, why would one then do the things that caused us to be divorced in the first place by rebelling against HIS LAW?
Hamous #101
The one who eats must not despise the one who abstains, and the one who abstains must not pass judgment on the one who eats; for God has welcomed him. Romans 14:3
The context here is eating meat of any kind versus being a vegetarian; it is not about clean vs unclean food.
1) Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or 2) with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. Colossians 2:16
1) The context here is about eating food bought in the common market as there was a question as to whether the animal was sacrificed to a pagan idol, not whether it was a scripturaly clean or unclean animal.
2) The question here remains even today; when do you start counting the days from the new moon? All of the Biblical festivals are determined by the phase of the moon and therein is what raises the questions and disputes. Brother Judah follows the Hillel calendar, the Karite Jews insist on a visual sighting of the first crescent in the western sky shortly after sunset, our group looks at the Naval Observatory charts to determine both new and full moon (as a check) and we declare the new moon to be 15 days before the full moon. The new moon is the evening after the last visible crescent is seen in the eastern sky shortly before sunrise, 15 days later is the full moon.
The seven biblical feasts or High Sabbaths, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits or Bikurim, Shavuot aka Pentecost, Rosh Hoshanna, Yom Kippur and Sukkot are all calculated based on the phase of the moon and are absolutely independent of the weekly Sabbath. So one can see how a conflict of new moon can be problematic.If you don’t understand these concepts, I am not without understanding – I was there too at one time. All of Christianity has been taught for centuries that The Law is done away with and replaced with the oral traditions of one denomination or another. I submit to you that what we have been taught is in error and I have tried to put the written word as my proof. Whether or not you choose to believe what is written is a whole different issue.
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Referencing yesterdays thread:
To those of you who think that Paul taught against keeping the Torah, I suggest you read the first 3 chapters of Romans and pay real close attention to the summation in chapter 3 verse 31. If you still think that he taught against keeping the Torah after reading 3:31, I suggest that you are in denial. When one “establishes The Law” a reasonable conclusion is that it is to be kept in full.
#121 Darren:Christ’s fulfilment of the Law completed the law and thus making the law in and of itself a source of direction which no longer needed to be followed.
IF that is the case, why did Messiah say repeatedly in Matt 5 that HE DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW? If your position is that The Law no longer needed to be followed that is exactly the same thing as abolishing The Law; which Messiah was clear that HE did not come to do.
The passage in Mark 7 is about the washing of hands, not food – read the first 3 verses to be clear on that point. Verse 19 about . . . .(thus making all foods clean) was added and it say so clearly in my NASB study bible. To prove the point, go to Matt 15 where the same story is recounted as the Mark 7 story; around v 20 Messiah states clearly “therefore eating with unwashed hands does not make a man impure”. The bigger picture in these 2 accounts of the same event is that HE was speaking against the teachings and commandments of men being placed on an equal or higher level than the teachings and commandments of Y_VH.
The Torah is how Y_VH wants us to live; it is the code of behavior for believers.
To those who say that you are under the new covenant, what exactly is that and where is it written? The New Covenant is mentioned in Jeremiah CH 31 and the newness is that instead of writing HIS LAW on tablets of stone, HE will write HIS LAW (the same LAW) on our hearts so that we will be eager to keep it. It is also a new covenant because both Israel and Judah serially violated the original covenant to such a degree that HE divorced us. The Torah states clearly that if a man divorces his wife and she re-marries (this is the same thing that happened spiritually when we were divorced from HIM and we clung to a different god) he is not allowed to re-marry her should her subsequent husband die. In order for the woman (and that is us) to re-marry HIM one of us has to die to satisfy HIS LAW. Messiah did that for us; HE redeemed us back into a marriageable state by HIS SHED BLOOD – that is what I call mercy and grace, as we were totally undeserving of such an act. If what I just said is true, why would one then do the things that caused us to be divorced in the first place by rebelling against HIS LAW?
Hamous #101The one who eats must not despise the one who abstains, and the one who abstains must not pass judgment on the one who eats; for God has welcomed him. Romans 14:3
The context here is eating meat of any kind versus being a vegetarian; it is not about clean vs unclean food.
1) Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or 2) with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. Colossians 2:16
1) The context here is about eating food bought in the common market as there was a question as to whether the animal was sacrificed to a pagan idol, not whether it was a scripturaly clean or unclean animal.
2) The question here remains even today; when do you start counting the days from the new moon? All of the Biblical festivals are determined by the phase of the moon and therein is what raises the questions and disputes. Brother Judah follows the Hillel calendar, the Karite Jews insist on a visual sighting of the first crescent in the western sky shortly after sunset, our group looks at the Naval Observatory charts to determine both new and full moon (as a check) and we declare the new moon to be 15 days before the full moon. The new moon is the evening after the last visible crescent is seen in the eastern sky shortly before sunrise, 15 days later is the full moon.
The seven biblical feasts or High Sabbaths, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits or Bikurim, Shavuot aka Pentecost, Rosh Hoshanna, Yom Kippur and Sukkot are all calculated based on the phase of the moon and are absolutely independent of the weekly Sabbath. So one can see how a conflict of new moon can be problematic.
If you don’t understand these concepts, I am not without understanding – I was there too at one time. All of Christianity has been taught for centuries that The Law is done away with and replaced with the oral traditions of one denomination or another. I submit to you that what we have been taught is in error and I have tried to put the written word as my proof. Whether or not you choose to believe what is written is a whole different issue. -
This is really neat
http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htmThe barrel is 26.5″ 12-twist stainless Kreiger fluted heavy-Palma contour–soon to be chambered .308 match. A Holland muzzle break is waiting to be mounted.
The whole unit is a meter long (39″) and weighs 20lbs. The scope is a Night Force 5-15-50mm.
A 20 pound .308?
If I’m going to carry that much .308 around, I’d rather have one of these.
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This is really neat
http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htmThe barrel is 26.5″ 12-twist stainless Kreiger fluted heavy-Palma contour–soon to be chambered .308 match. A Holland muzzle break is waiting to be mounted.
The whole unit is a meter long (39″) and weighs 20lbs. The scope is a Night Force 5-15-50mm.A 20 pound .308?
If I’m going to carry that much .308 around, I’d rather have one of these. -
#14 Shannon: That part was finished but everything else clearly was not. In the Matt 517 passage, Messiah is speaking of future events taking place after HIS death; HE was speaking to us. This begs the question: Do you want to be least in the kingdom to come or great?
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#14 Shannon: That part was finished but everything else clearly was not. In the Matt 517 passage, Messiah is speaking of future events taking place after HIS death; HE was speaking to us. This begs the question: Do you want to be least in the kingdom to come or great?
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#16 Sarge: That critter you linkied to is an airsoft pellet rifle.
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#16 Sarge: That critter you linkied to is an airsoft pellet rifle.
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Crap; ‘Mind-Blowing’ Sex Can Wipe Memory Clean.
Now where did I put leave dang ™ Fluke Meter? 😀 -
Crap; ‘Mind-Blowing’ Sex Can Wipe Memory Clean.
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#19: Him: Was it good for you?
Her: I don’t know, I forgot – who the wiss are you by the way? -
#19: Him: Was it good for you?
Her: I don’t know, I forgot – who the wiss are you by the way? -
Bonecrusher – Several people have presented clear scriptural references to refute your claim that Christians should be following the dietary restrictions outlined in the Old Testament. No offense, but you are blinded and only see what you want to believe. You cherry-pick verses while simply ignoring ones that contradict your beliefs. If that doesn’t work you infer some hidden meaning out of scripture or apply “context” without explanation.
Do you eat in restaurants? Do you shop at Kroger, HEB, or Randall’s? Do you eat meals in the houses of friends and family who do not believe as do you?
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Bonecrusher – Several people have presented clear scriptural references to refute your claim that Christians should be following the dietary restrictions outlined in the Old Testament. No offense, but you are blinded and only see what you want to believe. You cherry-pick verses while simply ignoring ones that contradict your beliefs. If that doesn’t work you infer some hidden meaning out of scripture or apply “context” without explanation.
Do you eat in restaurants? Do you shop at Kroger, HEB, or Randall’s? Do you eat meals in the houses of friends and family who do not believe as do you? -
#16 Sarge: That critter you linkied to is an airsoft pellet rifle.
OK.
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#16 Sarge: That critter you linkied to is an airsoft pellet rifle.
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#21 Hamous:
You cherry-pick verses while simply ignoring ones that contradict your beliefs
Are you going to assert that you have not done this exact same thing? The Romans 3:31 verse is a summation of the previous 1-2 chapters, it is a big time caution to prevent the reader from gleaning the false impression that The Law has been abolished. Grace and Law are not mutually exclusive; they work together quite well.
If that doesn’t work you infer some hidden meaning out of scripture or apply “context” without explanation.
Context is really important. Did you bother to read before and after the sections to make sure that you were not distorting context?
1) Do you eat in restaurants? 2) Do you shop at Kroger, HEB, or Randall’s? 3) Do you eat meals in the houses of friends and family who do not believe as do you?
1) There are a few in Houston that I do eat in as they do not serve pork or shellfish.
2) Usually Kroger, there are lots of items there that are labeled Kosher and the produce is irrelevant.
3) NO.apply “context” without explanation.
I tried to explain the context as best as I could without my biblesoft program being installed on this computer.
Let’s look at this from a bit of a different angle: What is sin, how do you clearly define it in Scripture? Do you want to sin; if no, how do you avoid it if you can’t clearly define it? Who determines what sin is? I say that HE does and did in the Torah. Paul said the same thing when he said I would not have come to know sin if Torah did not say thou shalt not murder, etc. The NEW TESTAMENT, 1John3:4 say that sin is lawlessness and lawlessness is sin. What then is lawlessness? The Greek word for lawlessness is anomia which means to be in violation of the Law of Moses; therefore to violate the Law of Moses is sin. -
#21 Hamous:
You cherry-pick verses while simply ignoring ones that contradict your beliefs
Are you going to assert that you have not done this exact same thing? The Romans 3:31 verse is a summation of the previous 1-2 chapters, it is a big time caution to prevent the reader from gleaning the false impression that The Law has been abolished. Grace and Law are not mutually exclusive; they work together quite well.
If that doesn’t work you infer some hidden meaning out of scripture or apply “context” without explanation.
Context is really important. Did you bother to read before and after the sections to make sure that you were not distorting context?
1) Do you eat in restaurants? 2) Do you shop at Kroger, HEB, or Randall’s? 3) Do you eat meals in the houses of friends and family who do not believe as do you?
1) There are a few in Houston that I do eat in as they do not serve pork or shellfish.
2) Usually Kroger, there are lots of items there that are labeled Kosher and the produce is irrelevant.
3) NO.apply “context” without explanation.
I tried to explain the context as best as I could without my biblesoft program being installed on this computer.
Let’s look at this from a bit of a different angle: What is sin, how do you clearly define it in Scripture? Do you want to sin; if no, how do you avoid it if you can’t clearly define it? Who determines what sin is? I say that HE does and did in the Torah. Paul said the same thing when he said I would not have come to know sin if Torah did not say thou shalt not murder, etc. The NEW TESTAMENT, 1John3:4 say that sin is lawlessness and lawlessness is sin. What then is lawlessness? The Greek word for lawlessness is anomia which means to be in violation of the Law of Moses; therefore to violate the Law of Moses is sin. -
#19 dave
I think the article sez that someone else must be involved.You need to search elsewhere for the cause of your forgetfulness.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news…
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#19 dave
I think the article sez that someone else must be involved.
You need to search elsewhere for the cause of your forgetfulness.
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I’m waiting for my turn. I can use my hubby’s baseball bat. Kinda like an Obama pinata.
Oh, they were talking about elections…. darn.
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I’m waiting for my turn. I can use my hubby’s baseball bat. Kinda like an Obama pinata.
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#21 Hamous:
Bonecrusher – Several people have presented clear scriptural references to refute your claim that Christians should be following the dietary restrictions outlined in the Old Testament.
I have disputed that the Scriptural references were clear and/or not taken out of context. I have tried to describe how context was violated; apparently unsuccessfully.
Let’s get down to real brass tacks: are you saying that you simply can’t live a happy life without eating that which was specifically forbidden in HIS LAW? Are you going to let your appetites rule over what is written? The Torah itself states clearly that there is to be only one Law for the native and the alien residing with him.
Ephesians 2:12 says that we are grafted in to the covenants of promise along with Israel. That makes us ISRAELITES. That is not the same thing as making us Jews. The Torah was for all of Israel, Judah and Israel together. If you say that you are part of the covenants of promise, dontcha think that those covenants require some action and/or behavior on your part? A covenant is where 2 parties agree to specific behavior right?
Ifn you have a mindset that you are not going to really consider what I have written because your denomination says otherwise; then consider this: read in Rev. CH3 about the church of Philadelphia. Do you want to be part of that church, the one that does not have to go through the testing? What does it say about that church and what it does that the others do not? What does it say about the size of that church?
This is all about choices and free will. I choose to do what the Scriptures say and have tried to encourage others to do the same. The outcome of those choices is on our own heads. -
#21 Hamous:
Bonecrusher – Several people have presented clear scriptural references to refute your claim that Christians should be following the dietary restrictions outlined in the Old Testament.
I have disputed that the Scriptural references were clear and/or not taken out of context. I have tried to describe how context was violated; apparently unsuccessfully.
Let’s get down to real brass tacks: are you saying that you simply can’t live a happy life without eating that which was specifically forbidden in HIS LAW? Are you going to let your appetites rule over what is written? The Torah itself states clearly that there is to be only one Law for the native and the alien residing with him.
Ephesians 2:12 says that we are grafted in to the covenants of promise along with Israel. That makes us ISRAELITES. That is not the same thing as making us Jews. The Torah was for all of Israel, Judah and Israel together. If you say that you are part of the covenants of promise, dontcha think that those covenants require some action and/or behavior on your part? A covenant is where 2 parties agree to specific behavior right?
Ifn you have a mindset that you are not going to really consider what I have written because your denomination says otherwise; then consider this: read in Rev. CH3 about the church of Philadelphia. Do you want to be part of that church, the one that does not have to go through the testing? What does it say about that church and what it does that the others do not? What does it say about the size of that church?
This is all about choices and free will. I choose to do what the Scriptures say and have tried to encourage others to do the same. The outcome of those choices is on our own heads. -
#26 SuperDave
Beat you by ONE. Hah!
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#26 SuperDave
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#26, #27: I think the thread holding the sword of Damocles over Holder’s head has broken; it just has not yet achieved its full gravitational acceleration and sudden deceleration.
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#26, #27: I think the thread holding the sword of Damocles over Holder’s head has broken; it just has not yet achieved its full gravitational acceleration and sudden deceleration.
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Random Task allegedly killed his sex offender cell mate. Random task was serving a life without parole sentence for rape and torture.
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Random Task allegedly killed his sex offender cell mate. Random task was serving a life without parole sentence for rape and torture.
What a guy.
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Gal 2:16
“… we know that a person is justified
not by the works of the law
but through the faith of Jesus Christ.
And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus,
so that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by doing the works of the law,
because no one will be justified by the works of the law.”Rom 1:16-17
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel;
it is the power of God for salvation
to everyone who has faith,
to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed
through faith for faith; as it is written:
‘The one who is righteous will live by faith.’” -
Gal 2:16
“… we know that a person is justified
not by the works of the law
but through the faith of Jesus Christ.
And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus,
so that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by doing the works of the law,
because no one will be justified by the works of the law.”Rom 1:16-17
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel;
it is the power of God for salvation
to everyone who has faith,
to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed
through faith for faith; as it is written:
‘The one who is righteous will live by faith.’” -
Romans 3:21-28
New International Version (NIV)
Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law
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Romans 3:21-28
New International Version (NIV)
Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law -
Are you going to assert that you have not done this exact same thing?
I don’t think I have. I’ve provided Scriptural references refuting your assertions based on two thousand years of Christian Biblical scholarship. You can’t simply brush that aside.
Let’s get down to real brass tacks: are you saying that you simply can’t live a happy life without eating that which was specifically forbidden in HIS LAW?
No, I’m saying based on the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (and 2000 years of study by thousands of Christian scholars much smarter than you and me), His law doesn’t forbid what I eat. Again, no offense, but I’ll take their word over someone who relatively recently had an epiphany and abandoned his faith for a new path in a new sect and new interpretations of Scripture.
Are you saying that I’m damned simply because I eat shrimp?
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Are you going to assert that you have not done this exact same thing?
I don’t think I have. I’ve provided Scriptural references refuting your assertions based on two thousand years of Christian Biblical scholarship. You can’t simply brush that aside.
Let’s get down to real brass tacks: are you saying that you simply can’t live a happy life without eating that which was specifically forbidden in HIS LAW?
No, I’m saying based on the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (and 2000 years of study by thousands of Christian scholars much smarter than you and me), His law doesn’t forbid what I eat. Again, no offense, but I’ll take their word over someone who relatively recently had an epiphany and abandoned his faith for a new path in a new sect and new interpretations of Scripture.
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#33 Sarge: You should really read all the way to the end of Romans ch3. The last verse goes something like this: ‘what then, do we nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the law. Does that really sound like he said the Law was done away with?
This goes back to Redemption vs. Salvation; they are not the same thing. The only thing one needs to be redeemed is to acknowledge WHO HE WAS and WHAT HE DID. That begins the road to Salvation, how we follow the path laid out determines our standing in the Kingdom. One can have a mouthful of pig and suddenly come to the realization of who HE was and be redeemed or one can be at the end of his life, like the guy on the cross next to Messiah and be redeemed. What one does after the realization of Who HE was, how one follows what HE instructed and follows HIS example, determines position in the Kingdom. Do you want to be least or great in the Kingdom to come? Your behavior and heart determines that outcome.I will repeat that Paul’s writings are very easy to misunderstand and take out of context. In 2Peter HIS FAVORITE, said the same thing.
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#33 Sarge: You should really read all the way to the end of Romans ch3. The last verse goes something like this: ‘what then, do we nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the law. Does that really sound like he said the Law was done away with?
This goes back to Redemption vs. Salvation; they are not the same thing. The only thing one needs to be redeemed is to acknowledge WHO HE WAS and WHAT HE DID. That begins the road to Salvation, how we follow the path laid out determines our standing in the Kingdom. One can have a mouthful of pig and suddenly come to the realization of who HE was and be redeemed or one can be at the end of his life, like the guy on the cross next to Messiah and be redeemed. What one does after the realization of Who HE was, how one follows what HE instructed and follows HIS example, determines position in the Kingdom. Do you want to be least or great in the Kingdom to come? Your behavior and heart determines that outcome.
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LOL. Should we spark up the Sola Fide debate too? 😉
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LOL. Should we spark up the Sola Fide debate too? 😉
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But only eat Gulf shrimp, Hammy. I’ve had Atlantic shrimp, and it’s like eating cotton. Not that the no’easterners know any difference. Hubby and I went to Georgia for vacation one year and were excited to eat our first meal at what looked like a very nice seafood restaurant. When we put those large fluffy shrimp in our mouth, we looked at each other with a “What the wiss!?” look. Cotton. Cardboard. Whatever has no flavor, that was those shrimp.
On the way home, we met up with a couple who lived on the Florida keys, on their way to visit relatives in Pasadena. They said they could absolutely tell a difference from what they caught on the Gulf side vs Atlantic side.
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But only eat Gulf shrimp, Hammy. I’ve had Atlantic shrimp, and it’s like eating cotton. Not that the no’easterners know any difference. Hubby and I went to Georgia for vacation one year and were excited to eat our first meal at what looked like a very nice seafood restaurant. When we put those large fluffy shrimp in our mouth, we looked at each other with a “What the wiss!?” look. Cotton. Cardboard. Whatever has no flavor, that was those shrimp.
On the way home, we met up with a couple who lived on the Florida keys, on their way to visit relatives in Pasadena. They said they could absolutely tell a difference from what they caught on the Gulf side vs Atlantic side. -
#36 Hammy
LOL. Should we spark up the Sola Fide debate too?
NO KIDDING? Guess what I’m preparing -at this very moment – for tonight’s class?
Sola fide and sola scriptura
Sola scriptura I find particularly amusing. It’s a self-defeating doctrine, as nowhere in Scripture does it say “only find your faith by what’s directly written in Scripture”.
I think I may have started a Scriptural food fight, but I must get back to work. I worked until 1:30 am, trying to catch up, and while I got a lot done, I still haven’t caught up.
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#36 Hammy
LOL. Should we spark up the Sola Fide debate too?
NO KIDDING? Guess what I’m preparing -at this very moment – for tonight’s class?
Sola fide and sola scriptura
Sola scriptura I find particularly amusing. It’s a self-defeating doctrine, as nowhere in Scripture does it say “only find your faith by what’s directly written in Scripture”.
I think I may have started a Scriptural food fight, but I must get back to work. I worked until 1:30 am, trying to catch up, and while I got a lot done, I still haven’t caught up. -
Well, jury duty in JP Court was a bust. All cases pled out by 11 a.m. Endless parade of unfortunate apartment managers evicting deadbeat tenants in SJL’s district, and a few cases of said deadbeats appealing to get legal pauper status — which may let them continue to live in the rented space w/o paying. Not sure, since none of ’em went to jury.
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Well, jury duty in JP Court was a bust. All cases pled out by 11 a.m. Endless parade of unfortunate apartment managers evicting deadbeat tenants in SJL’s district, and a few cases of said deadbeats appealing to get legal pauper status — which may let them continue to live in the rented space w/o paying. Not sure, since none of ’em went to jury.
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Leadership: Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one?
The obsessive need of this president to apologize for American exceptionalism and our defense of freedom continued recently when Barack Obama’s State Department (run by Hillary Clinton) contacted the family of al-Qaida propagandist and recruiter Samir Khan to “express its condolences” to his family.
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Leadership: Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one?
The obsessive need of this president to apologize for American exceptionalism and our defense of freedom continued recently when Barack Obama’s State Department (run by Hillary Clinton) contacted the family of al-Qaida propagandist and recruiter Samir Khan to “express its condolences” to his family.
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#37 TT
They said they could absolutely tell a difference from what they caught on the Gulf side vs Atlantic side.
Prolly all the oil seeps and spills on the Gulf side that gives the seafoods that succulent taste. 🙂
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#37 TT
They said they could absolutely tell a difference from what they caught on the Gulf side vs Atlantic side.
Prolly all the oil seeps and spills on the Gulf side that gives the seafoods that succulent taste. 🙂
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#34 Hamous:
Are you saying that I’m damned simply because I eat shrimp?
No, and I never implied it either. What I said is that it is not right for believers to eat unclean food. 2000 years is a stretch big time; everything changed with Constantine around 325 of the common era. You want an example of a big time change??
Sunday worship. The Sabbath is sundown Fri through sundown Sat. Constantine change the day of worship to sunday because he was a follower of mithras, a sun-god worshiping cult very popular with the Roman army. Sun-day is called sun-day because that is the day that sun-god worshipers worshiped the sun. If yo don’t believe me then go look it up for yourself. The justification for sun-day worship is that that is the day that Messiah rose so therefore it became the “new sabbath”. This is really faulty logic because, as I outlined above in my #15 The BIBLICAL Feast that was fulfilled by Messiah is not determined by the weekly Sabbath, it is determined by the moon. Moving the weekly Sabbath based on when Messiah rose is conflating 2 different things that are not related. Messiah was crucified on Passover, HE was THE LAMB OF GOD. When the sun set that Friday, the HIGH SABBATH of the First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread started and on that day Messiah rested in the grave; it just happened to coincide with the weekly Sabbath. When the sun set on that HIGH SABBATH, that began the day known as First Fruits or Bikurim. Bikurim is not a high sabbath, it is a work day that also requires a convocation. That is the day when the real work began. That was the day on the first Passover that the bones of Joseph were dug up at Succoth. I believe that Y_VH allowed the weekly and High Sabbaths to coincide on this event to test us to see if we would do what is written or follow the teachings and commandments of men. I choose the former, you choose whatever you wish but understand that your choice is yours and you will stand before The Throne alone to defend your choice.Where does it say anywhere in the Old Testament that the Law would change or be done away with when The Messiah came?
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#34 Hamous:
Are you saying that I’m damned simply because I eat shrimp?
No, and I never implied it either. What I said is that it is not right for believers to eat unclean food. 2000 years is a stretch big time; everything changed with Constantine around 325 of the common era. You want an example of a big time change??
Sunday worship. The Sabbath is sundown Fri through sundown Sat. Constantine change the day of worship to sunday because he was a follower of mithras, a sun-god worshiping cult very popular with the Roman army. Sun-day is called sun-day because that is the day that sun-god worshipers worshiped the sun. If yo don’t believe me then go look it up for yourself. The justification for sun-day worship is that that is the day that Messiah rose so therefore it became the “new sabbath”. This is really faulty logic because, as I outlined above in my #15 The BIBLICAL Feast that was fulfilled by Messiah is not determined by the weekly Sabbath, it is determined by the moon. Moving the weekly Sabbath based on when Messiah rose is conflating 2 different things that are not related. Messiah was crucified on Passover, HE was THE LAMB OF GOD. When the sun set that Friday, the HIGH SABBATH of the First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread started and on that day Messiah rested in the grave; it just happened to coincide with the weekly Sabbath. When the sun set on that HIGH SABBATH, that began the day known as First Fruits or Bikurim. Bikurim is not a high sabbath, it is a work day that also requires a convocation. That is the day when the real work began. That was the day on the first Passover that the bones of Joseph were dug up at Succoth. I believe that Y_VH allowed the weekly and High Sabbaths to coincide on this event to test us to see if we would do what is written or follow the teachings and commandments of men. I choose the former, you choose whatever you wish but understand that your choice is yours and you will stand before The Throne alone to defend your choice.
Where does it say anywhere in the Old Testament that the Law would change or be done away with when The Messiah came?
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Is U.S. ready for second black leader?
Not since the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court has a black conservative so disrupted the order of things at the highest levels here in Washington.
Who could forget the blood-thirsty “high-tech lynching” the left assembled to thwart him from becoming the only sitting black member of the U.S. Supreme Court?
Twenty years on, the left still harbors a special hatred for Justice Thomas. Meanwhile, his accuser returns to Washington and is feted all over town like a conquering hero who somehow stood up for racial justice by trying to derail the Thomas nomination.
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Is U.S. ready for second black leader?
Not since the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court has a black conservative so disrupted the order of things at the highest levels here in Washington.
Who could forget the blood-thirsty “high-tech lynching” the left assembled to thwart him from becoming the only sitting black member of the U.S. Supreme Court?
Twenty years on, the left still harbors a special hatred for Justice Thomas. Meanwhile, his accuser returns to Washington and is feted all over town like a conquering hero who somehow stood up for racial justice by trying to derail the Thomas nomination. -
Pyro, what happened to that green ‘Yugioh’ image you started out with this morning? Was it acting as an error message?
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Pyro, what happened to that green ‘Yugioh’ image you started out with this morning? Was it acting as an error message?
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Bones
eat unclean food
Alright Bones, now you have stirred me to comment. Please move forward into the 21st Century. What was unclean millenia ago is an obsolete concept as far as I am concerned. Now that we have food prep technology to overcome the deficiencies of the past, there is no rational reason not to eat pork or any number of other things that were taboo in some areas 2000+ years ago.
Avoid any foods you don’t wish to eat for any reason whatsoever — as I certainly do — but don’t be preaching to the rest of us about it.
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Bones
eat unclean food
Alright Bones, now you have stirred me to comment. Please move forward into the 21st Century. What was unclean millenia ago is an obsolete concept as far as I am concerned. Now that we have food prep technology to overcome the deficiencies of the past, there is no rational reason not to eat pork or any number of other things that were taboo in some areas 2000+ years ago.
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Are you saying that I’m damned simply because I eat shrimp?
Maybe if they were wrapped in bacon and stuffed with crab & cheese.
**droooooooolllll**
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Are you saying that I’m damned simply because I eat shrimp?
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Senator “Depends” Leahy is elbow deep in the hog trough.
Leahy’s proposal would create a new federal felony offense and increase the sentences that prosecutors can seek for people who defraud consumers and farmers by intentionally mislabeling maple products. Leahy, a Democrat, announced his plan at the same time he was announcing the state had received a $70,000 federal grant to help market Vermont maple syrup.
Leaky Leahy got the Depends monniker from Limbaugh when he got kicked off the intelligence committee because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
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Senator “Depends” Leahy is elbow deep in the hog trough.
Leahy’s proposal would create a new federal felony offense and increase the sentences that prosecutors can seek for people who defraud consumers and farmers by intentionally mislabeling maple products. Leahy, a Democrat, announced his plan at the same time he was announcing the state had received a $70,000 federal grant to help market Vermont maple syrup.
Leaky Leahy got the Depends monniker from Limbaugh when he got kicked off the intelligence committee because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
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#44 mh42
The green thing is some kind of error – I think.I changed the source of the picture.
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#44 mh42
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GEEZ – food according to scripture?
REALLY?
Can’t yall come up with something more exciting……………like mebbe fishing with bowling balls for bait?
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GEEZ – food according to scripture?
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The flavor of Gulf shrimp is supposed to be from a higher iodide content.
As far as Sunday being a day of worship, I always thought it came about because:
The first Christians considered themselves Jews, and thus observed the Friday-Saturday evening Sabbath, but then continued on until the next morning – the time of the discovery of Jesus’ resurrection. This was when they focused on the Good News and shared the Eucharistic meal (breaking bread). As the Jews became more alarmed over this new religious development (and the implications from the Roman occupation regarding the Jews’ safety as these “deviants” became more numerous), more pressure was put on this group to held as a separate group. Eventually, the Jews-turned-Christian put the emphasis on the Sunday morning worship, focusing on the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I suppose that’s one reason why Catholics still consider Saturday evening worship a fulfillment of our Sunday obligation for mass.
I guess if you want to focus on the whole “sun god” thing, you can, but I think my explanation makes more sense.
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The flavor of Gulf shrimp is supposed to be from a higher iodide content.
As far as Sunday being a day of worship, I always thought it came about because:
The first Christians considered themselves Jews, and thus observed the Friday-Saturday evening Sabbath, but then continued on until the next morning – the time of the discovery of Jesus’ resurrection. This was when they focused on the Good News and shared the Eucharistic meal (breaking bread). As the Jews became more alarmed over this new religious development (and the implications from the Roman occupation regarding the Jews’ safety as these “deviants” became more numerous), more pressure was put on this group to held as a separate group. Eventually, the Jews-turned-Christian put the emphasis on the Sunday morning worship, focusing on the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I suppose that’s one reason why Catholics still consider Saturday evening worship a fulfillment of our Sunday obligation for mass.
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#33 Sarge: You should really read all the way to the end of Romans ch3.
I am in the process of self study of Romans as this is posted. I am relying on the Quest Study Bible (an NIV translation with commentary), Insights on Romans by Charles Swindol, and a more general commentary by Fritz Ridenour called How To Be a Christian Without Being Religious which Swindol recommends.
Without getting into scriptural interpretations, the historical record is clear and irrefutable. The schism in the First Century Church between James (primarily) and Paul was the idea that Gentiles would be Saved without following parts of Mosiac Law, chief among them being circumcision and dietary restrictions.
The actions of the Sanhedrin during Paul’s last visit to Jerusalem proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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#33 Sarge: You should really read all the way to the end of Romans ch3.
I am in the process of self study of Romans as this is posted. I am relying on the Quest Study Bible (an NIV translation with commentary), Insights on Romans by Charles Swindol, and a more general commentary by Fritz Ridenour called How To Be a Christian Without Being Religious which Swindol recommends.
Without getting into scriptural interpretations, the historical record is clear and irrefutable. The schism in the First Century Church between James (primarily) and Paul was the idea that Gentiles would be Saved without following parts of Mosiac Law, chief among them being circumcision and dietary restrictions.
The actions of the Sanhedrin during Paul’s last visit to Jerusalem proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. -
like mebbe fishing with bowling balls for bait?
I did that.
All I caught was a catfish wearing a wife beater and a riding motorcycle.
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like mebbe fishing with bowling balls for bait?
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#50TT:
I guess if you want to focus on the whole “sun god” thing, you can, but I think my explanation makes more sense.
Back in the day of the Constantine there was a whole lot more sungod worshipers than Jews and Christians combined.
In Revelation, the symbol used for the various churches was the lampstand or Menorah. Why is it that churches all use the cross instead?
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#50TT:
I guess if you want to focus on the whole “sun god” thing, you can, but I think my explanation makes more sense.
Back in the day of the Constantine there was a whole lot more sungod worshipers than Jews and Christians combined.
In Revelation, the symbol used for the various churches was the lampstand or Menorah. Why is it that churches all use the cross instead? -
The first Christians considered themselves Jews, and thus observed the Friday-Saturday evening Sabbath, but then continued on until the next morning – the time of the discovery of Jesus’ resurrection. This was when they focused on the Good News and shared the Eucharistic meal (breaking bread). As the Jews became more alarmed over this new religious development (and the implications from the Roman occupation regarding the Jews’ safety as these “deviants” became more numerous), more pressure was put on this group to held as a separate group. Eventually, the Jews-turned-Christian put the emphasis on the Sunday morning worship, focusing on the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
My understanding of the schism was that some of the first Christians were looking for Judaism Plus Christ (which is my understanding of Boney’s beleif) while others, exemplified by Paul, argued for essentially a separate faith.
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The first Christians considered themselves Jews, and thus observed the Friday-Saturday evening Sabbath, but then continued on until the next morning – the time of the discovery of Jesus’ resurrection. This was when they focused on the Good News and shared the Eucharistic meal (breaking bread). As the Jews became more alarmed over this new religious development (and the implications from the Roman occupation regarding the Jews’ safety as these “deviants” became more numerous), more pressure was put on this group to held as a separate group. Eventually, the Jews-turned-Christian put the emphasis on the Sunday morning worship, focusing on the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
My understanding of the schism was that some of the first Christians were looking for Judaism Plus Christ (which is my understanding of Boney’s beleif) while others, exemplified by Paul, argued for essentially a separate faith.
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#52 – that’s a good start!
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Iowahawk has a new one.
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Iowahawk has a new one.
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#54 Sarge:
My understanding of the schism was that some of the first Christians were looking for Judaism Plus Christ (which is my understanding of Boney’s beleif) while others, exemplified by Paul, argued for essentially a separate faith.
There is a huge difference between rabbinic Judaism and the Torah adherent Hebraic belief to which I adhere. That you would make such a comment pretty much declares that you have not understood most of what I have spoken about. Man-made teachings and traditions (from whichever source Judaism, Catholocism or whatever) are not the same as the Commandments, Statutes and Ordinances listed in the Torah. That is not to say that all man-made traditions are bad or good because there is definitely good as well as bad in all of them, HOWEVER, where man-made rules and traditions conflict with Torah, then Torah must prevail.
I believe that it was Messiah (perhaps Paul) that said we are to obey the laws where we are found to be; like paying taxes, however if there was a law that said I had to go somewhere on a Sabbath and spend money I would serially violate it as it clearly violates the Written Torah. -
#54 Sarge:
My understanding of the schism was that some of the first Christians were looking for Judaism Plus Christ (which is my understanding of Boney’s beleif) while others, exemplified by Paul, argued for essentially a separate faith.
There is a huge difference between rabbinic Judaism and the Torah adherent Hebraic belief to which I adhere. That you would make such a comment pretty much declares that you have not understood most of what I have spoken about. Man-made teachings and traditions (from whichever source Judaism, Catholocism or whatever) are not the same as the Commandments, Statutes and Ordinances listed in the Torah. That is not to say that all man-made traditions are bad or good because there is definitely good as well as bad in all of them, HOWEVER, where man-made rules and traditions conflict with Torah, then Torah must prevail.
I believe that it was Messiah (perhaps Paul) that said we are to obey the laws where we are found to be; like paying taxes, however if there was a law that said I had to go somewhere on a Sabbath and spend money I would serially violate it as it clearly violates the Written Torah. -
#56 – You’re gonna hurt ole IowaHawk’s feelers – that post has been up since Sept 30 (see the tag at the bottom of it)
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#56 – You’re gonna hurt ole IowaHawk’s feelers – that post has been up since Sept 30 (see the tag at the bottom of it)
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O tried to apologize for using nukes in Japan and they told him to pound sand.
Leadership: Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one?
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A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan’s Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that “the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘nonstarter.’”heh
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O tried to apologize for using nukes in Japan and they told him to pound sand.
Leadership: Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one?
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A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan’s Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that “the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘nonstarter.’”heh
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To piggy-back on the crazy one…
It seems to me that we’re talking about two distinct populations of (early) Christians here: the Juice who converted while and shortly after Jesus was alive, and the gentiles (essentially everyone else).
The Jewish Christians had grown up following the Mosaic Law and had accepted it as a path to righteousness. They had (and still do) a covenant with God. The gentiles had never had any sort of relationship with God, since they were not part of the chosen people. They accepted Christ’s offer of salvation on its own. They had lots of resistance to the requirements of Mosaic Law since they saw it as the way to become Jews, not Christians.
Christ himself saw this and said that food in and of itself does not make one unclean since it simply passes through the body. As such, it does not render the spirit unclean.
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To piggy-back on the crazy one…
It seems to me that we’re talking about two distinct populations of (early) Christians here: the Juice who converted while and shortly after Jesus was alive, and the gentiles (essentially everyone else).
The Jewish Christians had grown up following the Mosaic Law and had accepted it as a path to righteousness. They had (and still do) a covenant with God. The gentiles had never had any sort of relationship with God, since they were not part of the chosen people. They accepted Christ’s offer of salvation on its own. They had lots of resistance to the requirements of Mosaic Law since they saw it as the way to become Jews, not Christians.
Christ himself saw this and said that food in and of itself does not make one unclean since it simply passes through the body. As such, it does not render the spirit unclean. -
#59 texpat
down, boy.
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And speaking of food, clean and unclean, where does Bonecrusher stand on the concept of the Eucharist? I mean, read John 6:32-61.
I don’t think Jesus could have gotten much clearer than that. When people turned away, unable to comprehend what he was saying, he didn’t call them back and mollify them. He also didn’t explain the “parable,” since it wasn’t one.
Some of you might find this page on Eucharistic miracles interesting. There are fewer miracles listed than what I’ve heard, but then the Catholic Church is very, very careful and reluctant to classify events as “miracles”.
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And speaking of food, clean and unclean, where does Bonecrusher stand on the concept of the Eucharist? I mean, read John 6:32-61.
I don’t think Jesus could have gotten much clearer than that. When people turned away, unable to comprehend what he was saying, he didn’t call them back and mollify them. He also didn’t explain the “parable,” since it wasn’t one.
Some of you might find this page on Eucharistic miracles interesting. There are fewer miracles listed than what I’ve heard, but then the Catholic Church is very, very careful and reluctant to classify events as “miracles”. -
#62 WB
I don’t know if Huntsman knows how to do anything else, but he and his wife have got that combining the genetic code down to a fine art.
They oughta win some kind of beautification award.
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#62 WB
I don’t know if Huntsman knows how to do anything else, but he and his wife have got that combining the genetic code down to a fine art.
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Texpat – I agree. At least Huntsman can do something well. Of course, he needed a woman to help him out with the project. 😉
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Texpat – I agree. At least Huntsman can do something well. Of course, he needed a woman to help him out with the project. 😉
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Where does it say anywhere in the Old Testament that the Law would change or be done away with when The Messiah came?
We’ve been down this road before. Scripture was given from the Old Testament. As I recall you ignored those passages by disputing the definition of “new covenant”.
I say we just forget it. I’ll go to hell smeared in pork fat and you can walk the streets of gold unsoiled 😉
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Where does it say anywhere in the Old Testament that the Law would change or be done away with when The Messiah came?
We’ve been down this road before. Scripture was given from the Old Testament. As I recall you ignored those passages by disputing the definition of “new covenant”.
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#61 Pyro:
They had lots of resistance to the requirements of Mosaic Law since they saw it as the way to become Jews, not Christians.
The objection was to the ORAL LAW or the traditions of the Pharisees, not the Written Law. Messiah OBJECTED TO THE ORAL TRADITION. That you and others insist on conflating the two is maddening! If and only if you can grasp the concept that the two are not the same can we have any further dialogue.
#63 TT: When Messiah spoke of ‘the leaven of the Pharisees’ he was speaking about their doctrine, when he spoke of “the kingdom of Heaven is like leaven which a woman hides in 3 lumps of dough. . .” he was speaking of HIS doctrine. Leaven does not equal sin it equals doctrine. Just before the Feast of Unleavened Bread, all the leaven and that which was leavened is removed from the house. This is a natural application of a spiritual concept: get rid of the man made teachings and cling to that which comes from heaven. The corrollary is the 2nd day of creation where HE separated the waters from above from those below. He separated the teachings and commandments of HIM from those of men.
When Messiah said eat my flesh and drink my blood he was saying ‘learn my doctrine and accept my spirit.’ He spoke in parables all the time. Is there any record of the disciples actually eating His flesh or drinking His blood? No, they ate bread and drank wine; they were natural symbols for spiritual concepts.
To actually eat human flesh or drink blood of any kind is a violation of Torah; if HE had caused that to happen HE would not have been THE lamb without spot or blemish; HE would have broken the clear teaching of the Torah and would not have been declared innocent.
HE said “do this in remembrance of ME”. It is and was a common Hebrew practice to perform a “zecher” or remembrance; that meant reenacting the event. That is why they did the Passover for so long, even after the Temple was destroyed, because it is a remembrance. When HE said do this in remembrance of ME, he meant share the bread and wine and remember what HE did to REDEEM us back into a marriageable state. To say that the bread and wine literally become flesh and blood is nonsensical; I have been there and done that and it always stayed bread and wine, it did not change. It does not matter how much you may want to believe or how much faith that you may have, that bread and wine stays exactly the same as when it was made by human hands. The priest saying some words over it does not change its nature. -
#61 Pyro:
They had lots of resistance to the requirements of Mosaic Law since they saw it as the way to become Jews, not Christians.
The objection was to the ORAL LAW or the traditions of the Pharisees, not the Written Law. Messiah OBJECTED TO THE ORAL TRADITION. That you and others insist on conflating the two is maddening! If and only if you can grasp the concept that the two are not the same can we have any further dialogue.
#63 TT: When Messiah spoke of ‘the leaven of the Pharisees’ he was speaking about their doctrine, when he spoke of “the kingdom of Heaven is like leaven which a woman hides in 3 lumps of dough. . .” he was speaking of HIS doctrine. Leaven does not equal sin it equals doctrine. Just before the Feast of Unleavened Bread, all the leaven and that which was leavened is removed from the house. This is a natural application of a spiritual concept: get rid of the man made teachings and cling to that which comes from heaven. The corrollary is the 2nd day of creation where HE separated the waters from above from those below. He separated the teachings and commandments of HIM from those of men.
When Messiah said eat my flesh and drink my blood he was saying ‘learn my doctrine and accept my spirit.’ He spoke in parables all the time. Is there any record of the disciples actually eating His flesh or drinking His blood? No, they ate bread and drank wine; they were natural symbols for spiritual concepts.
To actually eat human flesh or drink blood of any kind is a violation of Torah; if HE had caused that to happen HE would not have been THE lamb without spot or blemish; HE would have broken the clear teaching of the Torah and would not have been declared innocent.
HE said “do this in remembrance of ME”. It is and was a common Hebrew practice to perform a “zecher” or remembrance; that meant reenacting the event. That is why they did the Passover for so long, even after the Temple was destroyed, because it is a remembrance. When HE said do this in remembrance of ME, he meant share the bread and wine and remember what HE did to REDEEM us back into a marriageable state. To say that the bread and wine literally become flesh and blood is nonsensical; I have been there and done that and it always stayed bread and wine, it did not change. It does not matter how much you may want to believe or how much faith that you may have, that bread and wine stays exactly the same as when it was made by human hands. The priest saying some words over it does not change its nature. -
#66 I would rather y’all be there with me.
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#66 I would rather y’all be there with me.
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I’m thinking JC was pretty clear on this particular topic. From the Holy Gospel according to Mark:
Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” [Mark 7:14-23]
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I’m thinking JC was pretty clear on this particular topic. From the Holy Gospel according to Mark:
Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” [Mark 7:14-23] -
I’d hate to be that PDB they were all there to visit.
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Pregnant wimmins are crazy.
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Bone – you miss the whole lamb/sacrifice importance, especially when viewed in the context of the TIMING of the Last Supper/Passover event. I think that’s one of my best classes – Holy Week – where I discuss the significance of the timing of all the events and He lived out the Scripture, and the understanding of the sacrificial lamb and the Last Supper. It is SO COOL how it all fits together, when you know what you’re looking for.
The priests were given part of the sacrificial lambs for food, to eat. Jesus plainly said “This is my body, which will be given up for you. This is my blood, which will be given up for you.” He explained every parable in the Bible. He didn’t “explain” the John 6. It wasn’t a parable or a lesson. You’re big on going back to the original languages – the original word for “eat” in this case meant to “gnaw or chew,” so he was definitely discussing the actual act of eating.
I don’t have time to rererererehash this anymore. You have very strong beliefs, which I respect, but when you cannot see what you will not see, there is nothing left to show you.
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Bone – you miss the whole lamb/sacrifice importance, especially when viewed in the context of the TIMING of the Last Supper/Passover event. I think that’s one of my best classes – Holy Week – where I discuss the significance of the timing of all the events and He lived out the Scripture, and the understanding of the sacrificial lamb and the Last Supper. It is SO COOL how it all fits together, when you know what you’re looking for.
The priests were given part of the sacrificial lambs for food, to eat. Jesus plainly said “This is my body, which will be given up for you. This is my blood, which will be given up for you.” He explained every parable in the Bible. He didn’t “explain” the John 6. It wasn’t a parable or a lesson. You’re big on going back to the original languages – the original word for “eat” in this case meant to “gnaw or chew,” so he was definitely discussing the actual act of eating.
I don’t have time to rererererehash this anymore. You have very strong beliefs, which I respect, but when you cannot see what you will not see, there is nothing left to show you. -
#68 Oh, I plan on being there. If I’m not it won’t be because I ate oysters. And if you are it won’t be because you didn’t.
In my life as a RCIA teacher I have come across many passionate folks from other faiths that can quote scripture with the best of them. They are usually exploring the Catholic faith because their fiance is Catholic and wants to marry in the Church. Sometimes they understand what the Body of Christ teaches, sometimes they don’t. Those that do tend to be the ones that understand our Church the best and can share their faith with others. Cradle Catholics generally follow one of three paths:
1) They view the Church as an obligation to go to Mass once a week and get ashed before Lent. They don’t get involved in learning but you see them every Sunday because “that’s what you do”.
2) They get to a point in their faith formation where they want and need to learn more. I reached that phase rather late, at about 38.
3) They completely abandon the Church for some shiny new facsimile and become the most virulent anti-Catholic since before the scales fell off Saul’s eyes.The third group is the one I have the most trouble relating to. Any conversation usually devolves into me being told I belong to a cult, the Church is the Whore of Babylon, and the Pope is the antichrist. I don’t like getting to that point so I think I’ll stop now.
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#68 Oh, I plan on being there. If I’m not it won’t be because I ate oysters. And if you are it won’t be because you didn’t.
In my life as a RCIA teacher I have come across many passionate folks from other faiths that can quote scripture with the best of them. They are usually exploring the Catholic faith because their fiance is Catholic and wants to marry in the Church. Sometimes they understand what the Body of Christ teaches, sometimes they don’t. Those that do tend to be the ones that understand our Church the best and can share their faith with others. Cradle Catholics generally follow one of three paths:
1) They view the Church as an obligation to go to Mass once a week and get ashed before Lent. They don’t get involved in learning but you see them every Sunday because “that’s what you do”.
2) They get to a point in their faith formation where they want and need to learn more. I reached that phase rather late, at about 38.
3) They completely abandon the Church for some shiny new facsimile and become the most virulent anti-Catholic since before the scales fell off Saul’s eyes.
The third group is the one I have the most trouble relating to. Any conversation usually devolves into me being told I belong to a cult, the Church is the Whore of Babylon, and the Pope is the antichrist. I don’t like getting to that point so I think I’ll stop now. -
From the comments:
For the first time in my adult life, I be proud of our first lady. If she be getting dat humongous butt airborne in da jumpi jack, den she be copasetic.
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She almost got “trampled” by the kids trying to get out of the way of that huge butt of hers going up and down. Once it got started she couldn’t stop it….like an avalanche.
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But looking and those huge hips doing jumping jacks will blind more eyes that hate (or at a minimum cause impotence).
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Hmmm…a small tremor was recorded about the same time in the Metro DC area. Maybe too many fries Mrs. Obama? -
Chewbacca puts down the fried butter on a stick for a photo-op with a bunch of kids to do jumping jacks.
From the comments:For the first time in my adult life, I be proud of our first lady. If she be getting dat humongous butt airborne in da jumpi jack, den she be copasetic.
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She almost got “trampled” by the kids trying to get out of the way of that huge butt of hers going up and down. Once it got started she couldn’t stop it….like an avalanche.
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But looking and those huge hips doing jumping jacks will blind more eyes that hate (or at a minimum cause impotence).
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Hmmm…a small tremor was recorded about the same time in the Metro DC area. Maybe too many fries Mrs. Obama? -
Peter Explains His Actions Acts 11:1-18
1The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.” 4Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened: 5″I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four–footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat. 8″I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth’. “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call 9anything impure that God has made clean. 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again. three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at 11″Right then the house where I was staying. The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. 12These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house.13He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter.14He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.15″As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.17So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?”18When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”
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Peter Explains His Actions Acts 11:1-18
1The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.” 4Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened: 5″I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four–footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat. 8″I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth’. “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call 9anything impure that God has made clean. 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again. three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at 11″Right then the house where I was staying. The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. 12These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house.13He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter.14He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.15″As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.17So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?”18When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” -
#72 Hamous
The third group is the one I have the most trouble relating to. Any conversation usually devolves into me being told I belong to a cult, the Church is the Whore of Babylon, and the Pope is the antichrist. I don’t like getting to that point so I think I’ll stop now.
I agree. This group can be particularly nasty. I remember talking to a customer one day, and somehow we got onto religion and I mentioned that I was Catholic. “Oh, I was too,” she said, giving me a “I’ve got you now” kind of grin, “but I’m in recovery now.” (PS: This was in the Montrose area, so I’m wondering if she left the faith over sexual issues. But that is merely a hypothesis.)
I thought that was probably one of the nastiest things ever said to me, especially given the delivery. Because she was a customer, and because I had a lot to do, I didn’t say anything but changed the subject.
I will say one thing – I may not be able to follow Bonecrusher’s religious arguments, but he’s got his convictions and he doesn’t come right out and damn us all to hell and call us scum. There are some who do.
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#72 Hamous
The third group is the one I have the most trouble relating to. Any conversation usually devolves into me being told I belong to a cult, the Church is the Whore of Babylon, and the Pope is the antichrist. I don’t like getting to that point so I think I’ll stop now.
I agree. This group can be particularly nasty. I remember talking to a customer one day, and somehow we got onto religion and I mentioned that I was Catholic. “Oh, I was too,” she said, giving me a “I’ve got you now” kind of grin, “but I’m in recovery now.” (PS: This was in the Montrose area, so I’m wondering if she left the faith over sexual issues. But that is merely a hypothesis.)
I thought that was probably one of the nastiest things ever said to me, especially given the delivery. Because she was a customer, and because I had a lot to do, I didn’t say anything but changed the subject.
I will say one thing – I may not be able to follow Bonecrusher’s religious arguments, but he’s got his convictions and he doesn’t come right out and damn us all to hell and call us scum. There are some who do. -
So, TBO may not have been eligible to run for president? And these are not birfers?
Annnnnnnnnnd we’re walkin’…..
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Shocker!
So, TBO may not have been eligible to run for president? And these are not birfers?
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Lighten up Frances. We can destroy capitalism next year.
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Lighten up Frances. We can destroy capitalism next year.
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# 77 Hamous, the genius did it again. Right up there with Iowahawk–good grief is it Iowahawk? 🙂
Every time a suitable parody presents itself and is executed perfectly, the apoplexy it causes in the Lefties is so much fun to behold. Ya know they see it. Hoist on their own petard again, poor babies.
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# 77 Hamous, the genius did it again. Right up there with Iowahawk–good grief is it Iowahawk? 🙂
Every time a suitable parody presents itself and is executed perfectly, the apoplexy it causes in the Lefties is so much fun to behold. Ya know they see it. Hoist on their own petard again, poor babies. -
The City of Houston got served by the OccupyHouston “movement” the other day when they protested and camped out at City Hall and Eleanor Tinsley Park.
Today, the City of Houston served them back by rounding a bunch of them up and arresting a few at the Mickey Leland Federal Building downtown.
Hmmmm… A serving and a serving back? You know what that means?
It’s on.
Bonus:
One of the occupiers shows signs of Getting It.“It’s greedy to save the few pennies because they don’t want to pay people here minimum wage jobs, they’d rather outsource the jobs,” Bozek said. “But then again we the people need to educate ourselves and understand that when we buy iPhones and support AT&T and they’d rather ship those jobs over there, it’s sort of our fault.”
She keep that up and next thing you know, she’ll show up at a tea party.
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The City of Houston got served by the OccupyHouston “movement” the other day when they protested and camped out at City Hall and Eleanor Tinsley Park.
Today, the City of Houston served them back by rounding a bunch of them up and arresting a few at the Mickey Leland Federal Building downtown.
Hmmmm… A serving and a serving back? You know what that means?
It’s on.
Bonus:
One of the occupiers shows signs of Getting It.“It’s greedy to save the few pennies because they don’t want to pay people here minimum wage jobs, they’d rather outsource the jobs,” Bozek said. “But then again we the people need to educate ourselves and understand that when we buy iPhones and support AT&T and they’d rather ship those jobs over there, it’s sort of our fault.”
She keep that up and next thing you know, she’ll show up at a tea party.
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#77 hammie
Every idiotic decision they make has to be made with the approval of “Jazz Hands” WTF is that?!
We couldn’t find ONE SINGLE normal person? Brainless hipsters, druggies, hobos, aging hippies, and mentally ill head-cases ALL OF THEM!!!
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#77 hammie
Every idiotic decision they make has to be made with the approval of “Jazz Hands” WTF is that?!
We couldn’t find ONE SINGLE normal person? Brainless hipsters, druggies, hobos, aging hippies, and mentally ill head-cases ALL OF THEM!!!
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A middle-aged man stood at the corner of McKinney and Smith, across from City Hall, with a sign that read, “Homosexuality is a sin.”
Next to him a young woman held a sign with an arrow reading, “This guy sucks.”
If I was unemployed I would stand next to her with a sign that said “This girl doesn’t.”
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A middle-aged man stood at the corner of McKinney and Smith, across from City Hall, with a sign that read, “Homosexuality is a sin.”
Next to him a young woman held a sign with an arrow reading, “This guy sucks.”If I was unemployed I would stand next to her with a sign that said “This girl doesn’t.”
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#69 Pyro: Did yo miss this in my #15?”
The passage in Mark 7 is about the washing of hands, not food – read the first 3 verses to be clear on that point. Verse 19 about . . . .(thus making all foods clean) was added and it say so clearly in my NASB study bible. To prove the point, go to Matt 15 where the same story is recounted as the Mark 7 story; around v 20 Messiah states clearly “therefore eating with unwashed hands does not make a man impure”.
The bigger picture in these 2 accounts of the same event is that HE was speaking against the teachings and commandments of men being placed on an equal or higher level than the teachings and commandments of Y_VH.
The Torah is how Y_VH wants us to live; it is the code of behavior for believers.
The Mark 7 and Matt 15 passages are about washing of hands not food.
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#69 Pyro: Did yo miss this in my #15?”
The passage in Mark 7 is about the washing of hands, not food – read the first 3 verses to be clear on that point. Verse 19 about . . . .(thus making all foods clean) was added and it say so clearly in my NASB study bible. To prove the point, go to Matt 15 where the same story is recounted as the Mark 7 story; around v 20 Messiah states clearly “therefore eating with unwashed hands does not make a man impure”.
The bigger picture in these 2 accounts of the same event is that HE was speaking against the teachings and commandments of men being placed on an equal or higher level than the teachings and commandments of Y_VH.
The Torah is how Y_VH wants us to live; it is the code of behavior for believers.
The Mark 7 and Matt 15 passages are about washing of hands not food.
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#77 – ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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#77 – ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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More well spent stimulus dollars here:
“Monroe Regional Airport officials learned Tuesday passenger loading and unloading bridges at the new $36 million terminal are not being able to connect to airplanes.”
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More well spent stimulus dollars here:
“Monroe Regional Airport officials learned Tuesday passenger loading and unloading bridges at the new $36 million terminal are not being able to connect to airplanes.”
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“Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?”
Your argument is with Jesus, my friend.
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“Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?”
Your argument is with Jesus, my friend.
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#82 Bones
washing of hands not food
Speaking of hand washing, this reminded me to look up Muslim foot washing, which I never understood. The link isn’t new but it explains the situation well, I think.
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#82 Bones
washing of hands not food
Speaking of hand washing, this reminded me to look up Muslim foot washing, which I never understood. The link isn’t new but it explains the situation well, I think.
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On our trip we visited magnificent churches representing diverse architectures and decorations. No such thing like you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all, especially not if you’ve had a year of college art history. Well worth the feet sore from walking all day and now through another and sometime sore neck from looking skyward at magnificence.
The two that were for me the most compelling in Rome were of course St. Peter’s and the second being the Pantheon. Now this might seem a strange pairing. Spouse and I and his brother and wife took a cab to the Vatican in the mid-afternoon following a day of walking through many more streets than we’d planned on when we set out about 8:30. The map the hotel supplied was easy to follow, and the streets aren’t that long….
St. Peter’s Square does not seem as large in life as it does in pictures–it’s certainly large enough, but photography seems to expand it further. Impressive, no kidding, and the minute you step into its confines the world takes on a slightly different aspect–hard to fully believe you are really there. The colonnades on either side are like welcoming outstretced arms. People literally from all over the world and of all creeds wait patiently in long lines to enter the cathedral, properly dressed according to signs at the beginning of the lines showing acceptable clothing and items permissible to carry with you. Near the stairs to the entrance there are metal detectors and x-ray machines to pass your person and your purse or pocket contents, but it is not a bottleneck as you might expect. The Vatican security are probably as adept at judging people as are Israeli security, and the Swiss Guard elsewhere in the complex are surely much more than mere decoration.
Once admitted past security, it’s up the steps so many millions of feet have trod to the entry door and into a stunningly magnificent building for which no pictures can fully prepare you. Awesome barely describes the feast before your eyes, and you have entered a slightly other world that can’t be absorbed fast enough to keep from being overwhelmed. We thought that taking one of the tours would not likely have helped that much, so I bought a book in the Vatican Library on the way out.
First sight was the main altar and the towering canopy above it, the intricate artwork above and around that, and the appreciation for the genius of the men who designed, built, and decorated it over the centuries, beginning in 324 during the reign of the Emperor Constantine and at his wish. It was built over the grave of St. Peter. Barbarian invasions destroyed or damaged intervening basilicas, and what we see today is the result of Pope Julius II’s desire to complete the plan begun by Pope NIcholas V, and in 1506 Julius laid the cornerstone.
To be continued.
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On our trip we visited magnificent churches representing diverse architectures and decorations. No such thing like you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all, especially not if you’ve had a year of college art history. Well worth the feet sore from walking all day and now through another and sometime sore neck from looking skyward at magnificence.
The two that were for me the most compelling in Rome were of course St. Peter’s and the second being the Pantheon. Now this might seem a strange pairing. Spouse and I and his brother and wife took a cab to the Vatican in the mid-afternoon following a day of walking through many more streets than we’d planned on when we set out about 8:30. The map the hotel supplied was easy to follow, and the streets aren’t that long….
St. Peter’s Square does not seem as large in life as it does in pictures–it’s certainly large enough, but photography seems to expand it further. Impressive, no kidding, and the minute you step into its confines the world takes on a slightly different aspect–hard to fully believe you are really there. The colonnades on either side are like welcoming outstretced arms. People literally from all over the world and of all creeds wait patiently in long lines to enter the cathedral, properly dressed according to signs at the beginning of the lines showing acceptable clothing and items permissible to carry with you. Near the stairs to the entrance there are metal detectors and x-ray machines to pass your person and your purse or pocket contents, but it is not a bottleneck as you might expect. The Vatican security are probably as adept at judging people as are Israeli security, and the Swiss Guard elsewhere in the complex are surely much more than mere decoration.
Once admitted past security, it’s up the steps so many millions of feet have trod to the entry door and into a stunningly magnificent building for which no pictures can fully prepare you. Awesome barely describes the feast before your eyes, and you have entered a slightly other world that can’t be absorbed fast enough to keep from being overwhelmed. We thought that taking one of the tours would not likely have helped that much, so I bought a book in the Vatican Library on the way out.
First sight was the main altar and the towering canopy above it, the intricate artwork above and around that, and the appreciation for the genius of the men who designed, built, and decorated it over the centuries, beginning in 324 during the reign of the Emperor Constantine and at his wish. It was built over the grave of St. Peter. Barbarian invasions destroyed or damaged intervening basilicas, and what we see today is the result of Pope Julius II’s desire to complete the plan begun by Pope NIcholas V, and in 1506 Julius laid the cornerstone.
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A middle-aged man stood at the corner of McKinney and Smith, across from City Hall, with a sign that read, “Homosexuality is a sin.”
Next to him a young woman held a sign with an arrow reading, “This guy sucks.”
If I was unemployed I would stand next to her with a sign that said “This girl doesn’t.”
If I was unemployed I would stand next to you with a sign that said, “How do you know?”
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A middle-aged man stood at the corner of McKinney and Smith, across from City Hall, with a sign that read, “Homosexuality is a sin.”
Next to him a young woman held a sign with an arrow reading, “This guy sucks.”If I was unemployed I would stand next to her with a sign that said “This girl doesn’t.”
If I was unemployed I would stand next to you with a sign that said, “How do you know?”
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#85 Hamous: He was speaking of the grime on the hands, that is why the first verses of both passages speak that the Pharisees were upset that they did not wash their hands in the traditions of the elders. If the passage was about food, the pharisees would have been raising h_ll about what they were eating and not the condition of their hands.
This is a reading comprehension issue. The Scriptures are broken up into teachings, that is why some bibles have certain verse numbers bolded.
Your quotation is another glaring example of taking something out of context and making something new of it. If those 2 passages were about food, the pharisees would have had a legitimate TORAH based issue to raise, instead they raise the tradition argument, similar to what you and others have done today:No, I’m saying based on the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (and 2000 years of study by thousands of Christian scholars much smarter than you and me), His law doesn’t forbid what I eat. Again, no offense, but I’ll take their word over someone who relatively recently had an epiphany and abandoned his faith for a new path in a new sect and new interpretations of Scripture.
You defer to the tradition of the elders of the Catholic faith; did you ever consider that they may have gotten some things wrong? They were certainly wrong with Galleleao ( however you spell his name) at that time the tradition was that the sun revolved around a flat earth; and Galleleao darned near got burned at the stake for daring to point out that they were wrong. He spent the rest of his life in house arrest. That is just one example and I could come up with many others. Regardless of what you have been taught, the Catholic Church is not infallible. This issue is way too important to simply make an intellectual punt and defer to the tradition without a serious examination. Those examinations need to take place frequently.
#75 TT:I will say one thing – I may not be able to follow Bonecrusher’s religious arguments, but he’s got his convictions and he doesn’t come right out and damn us all to hell and call us scum. There are some who do.
Thank you. I have tried really hard to be respectful even though I have been exasperated at times. I like you guys and want you all to be great in the kingdom not least.
The biblical calendar outlined in the Torah is self correcting, every few years when the 12th month is too early in the solar year for the barley to be green in the ear they simply add another month. In this way the plot of the biblical calendar against the solar produces a sine wave of sorts in that some years the feasts are earlier in the solar year than others. That same sine wave can be seen in the waves lapping on a sea shore, the tree that gently rocks in the wind, the temperature changes from day to night, and from season to season.
As an interesting topic for question: what was the sign in the heavens that caused the wise men to come from what is now Iran all the way to Jerusalem? Biblical astronomy has been sorely neglected by almost all believers, because of the pollution of pagan astrology.
Biblical Astronomy is not the same as pagan astrology.
Gen 1:14-19
14 Then God said, “1)Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for 2)signs and for 3)seasons and for 4)days and 5)years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
NASU2) signs: this would be for special events, like when Messiah was born
3) these are for regularly scheduled appointments the Hebrew word is moedim. Feast days are determined by the lesser light that governs the night aka the moon.
Y_VH arranged the stars and set their courses for a reason, we are foolish to not at least try to figure out what that reason(s) is.
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#85 Hamous: He was speaking of the grime on the hands, that is why the first verses of both passages speak that the Pharisees were upset that they did not wash their hands in the traditions of the elders. If the passage was about food, the pharisees would have been raising h_ll about what they were eating and not the condition of their hands.
This is a reading comprehension issue. The Scriptures are broken up into teachings, that is why some bibles have certain verse numbers bolded.
Your quotation is another glaring example of taking something out of context and making something new of it. If those 2 passages were about food, the pharisees would have had a legitimate TORAH based issue to raise, instead they raise the tradition argument, similar to what you and others have done today:No, I’m saying based on the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (and 2000 years of study by thousands of Christian scholars much smarter than you and me), His law doesn’t forbid what I eat. Again, no offense, but I’ll take their word over someone who relatively recently had an epiphany and abandoned his faith for a new path in a new sect and new interpretations of Scripture.
You defer to the tradition of the elders of the Catholic faith; did you ever consider that they may have gotten some things wrong? They were certainly wrong with Galleleao ( however you spell his name) at that time the tradition was that the sun revolved around a flat earth; and Galleleao darned near got burned at the stake for daring to point out that they were wrong. He spent the rest of his life in house arrest. That is just one example and I could come up with many others. Regardless of what you have been taught, the Catholic Church is not infallible. This issue is way too important to simply make an intellectual punt and defer to the tradition without a serious examination. Those examinations need to take place frequently.
#75 TT:I will say one thing – I may not be able to follow Bonecrusher’s religious arguments, but he’s got his convictions and he doesn’t come right out and damn us all to hell and call us scum. There are some who do.
Thank you. I have tried really hard to be respectful even though I have been exasperated at times. I like you guys and want you all to be great in the kingdom not least.
The biblical calendar outlined in the Torah is self correcting, every few years when the 12th month is too early in the solar year for the barley to be green in the ear they simply add another month. In this way the plot of the biblical calendar against the solar produces a sine wave of sorts in that some years the feasts are earlier in the solar year than others. That same sine wave can be seen in the waves lapping on a sea shore, the tree that gently rocks in the wind, the temperature changes from day to night, and from season to season.
As an interesting topic for question: what was the sign in the heavens that caused the wise men to come from what is now Iran all the way to Jerusalem? Biblical astronomy has been sorely neglected by almost all believers, because of the pollution of pagan astrology.
Biblical Astronomy is not the same as pagan astrology.Gen 1:14-19
14 Then God said, “1)Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for 2)signs and for 3)seasons and for 4)days and 5)years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
NASU2) signs: this would be for special events, like when Messiah was born
3) these are for regularly scheduled appointments the Hebrew word is moedim. Feast days are determined by the lesser light that governs the night aka the moon.
Y_VH arranged the stars and set their courses for a reason, we are foolish to not at least try to figure out what that reason(s) is.
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#82/#15 bone
The New Covenant is realized by Christ’s blood, shed for all so that sins might be forgiven.In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. [Luke 22:20]
Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. [Matt 26:27-28]
“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. [Mark 14:24]
Finally, SImon Peter was told by the Holy Spirit that all foods were clean.
Now the apostles and the brothers who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles too had accepted the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem the circumcised believers confronted him, saying, “You entered* the house of uncircumcised people and ate with them.” Peter began and explained it to them step by step, saying, “I was at prayer in the city of Joppa when in a trance I had a vision, something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered from the sky by its four corners, and it came to me. Looking intently into it, I observed and saw the four-legged animals of the earth, the wild beasts, the reptiles, and the birds of the sky. I also heard a voice say to me, ‘Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat.’ But I said, ‘Certainly not, sir, because nothing profane or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ But a second time a voice from heaven answered, ‘What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.’ This happened three times, and then everything was drawn up again into the sky. [Acts 11:1-10]
Which is nice, because I think we’re gonna have some “white steak” for dinner.
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#82/#15 bone
The New Covenant is realized by Christ’s blood, shed for all so that sins might be forgiven.In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. [Luke 22:20]
Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. [Matt 26:27-28]
“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. [Mark 14:24]
Finally, SImon Peter was told by the Holy Spirit that all foods were clean.
Now the apostles and the brothers who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles too had accepted the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem the circumcised believers confronted him, saying, “You entered* the house of uncircumcised people and ate with them.” Peter began and explained it to them step by step, saying, “I was at prayer in the city of Joppa when in a trance I had a vision, something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered from the sky by its four corners, and it came to me. Looking intently into it, I observed and saw the four-legged animals of the earth, the wild beasts, the reptiles, and the birds of the sky. I also heard a voice say to me, ‘Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat.’ But I said, ‘Certainly not, sir, because nothing profane or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ But a second time a voice from heaven answered, ‘What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.’ This happened three times, and then everything was drawn up again into the sky. [Acts 11:1-10]
Which is nice, because I think we’re gonna have some “white steak” for dinner.
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You defer to the tradition of the elders of the Catholic faith; did you ever consider that they may have gotten some things wrong? They were certainly wrong with Galleleao ( however you spell his name) at that time the tradition was that the sun revolved around a flat earth; and Galleleao darned near got burned at the stake for daring to point out that they were wrong. He spent the rest of his life in house arrest. That is just one example and I could come up with many others. Regardless of what you have been taught, the Catholic Church is not infallible.
The Church is infallible on matters of the faith and morals (e.g., sacredness of human life, the Holy Eucharist being the actual body and blood of Christ, the triune God). She is not infallible on topics of worldly issues, such as astrophysics.
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You defer to the tradition of the elders of the Catholic faith; did you ever consider that they may have gotten some things wrong? They were certainly wrong with Galleleao ( however you spell his name) at that time the tradition was that the sun revolved around a flat earth; and Galleleao darned near got burned at the stake for daring to point out that they were wrong. He spent the rest of his life in house arrest. That is just one example and I could come up with many others. Regardless of what you have been taught, the Catholic Church is not infallible.
The Church is infallible on matters of the faith and morals (e.g., sacredness of human life, the Holy Eucharist being the actual body and blood of Christ, the triune God). She is not infallible on topics of worldly issues, such as astrophysics.
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Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
Not sure how you can take “nothing” out of context.
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Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
Not sure how you can take “nothing” out of context.
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#90 Pyro: You stopped reading too soon and got the wrong idea.
Acts 11:15-18
15 “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 “And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 “Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ,who was I that I could stand in God’s way?
” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
NASUAt the time this event took place non Jews were considered as unclean, just as those unclean animals on the sheet; the message was to no longer consider men unclean and unable to partake in the same Spirit. The issue was about how the Juice were to treat men, not about food. An illustration can be found in the Matt 8:8 and its companion Luke 7:8,
Matt 8:5-8
5 And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented.” 7 Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion said, “Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
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Luke 7:6-7
“Lord, do not trouble Yourself further, for I am not worthy for You to come under my roof; 7 for this reason I did not even consider myself worthy to come to You, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
NASUin some translations it says The centurion said that I know it is not lawful for you to come under my roof.
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#90 Pyro: You stopped reading too soon and got the wrong idea.
Acts 11:15-18
15 “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 “And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 “Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ,who was I that I could stand in God’s way?
” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
NASUAt the time this event took place non Jews were considered as unclean, just as those unclean animals on the sheet; the message was to no longer consider men unclean and unable to partake in the same Spirit. The issue was about how the Juice were to treat men, not about food. An illustration can be found in the Matt 8:8 and its companion Luke 7:8,
Matt 8:5-8
5 And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented.” 7 Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion said, “Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
NASU
Luke 7:6-7
“Lord, do not trouble Yourself further, for I am not worthy for You to come under my roof; 7 for this reason I did not even consider myself worthy to come to You, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
NASUin some translations it says The centurion said that I know it is not lawful for you to come under my roof.
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What a great discussion. I’ll be rereading and studying it for some time.
Katfish and mharper,
Yes,’there is a two thousand year debate among certain parties concerning the numerous Scriptural references to certain types of food.
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What a great discussion. I’ll be rereading and studying it for some time.
Katfish and mharper,
Yes,’there is a two thousand year debate among certain parties concerning the numerous Scriptural references to certain types of food.
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Bonecrusher:
Just curious, do you propose to keep all of the other laws given in Leviticus or just dietary ones?
For instance there is a prohibition against charging interest to other Israelites and against paying interest to gentiles.
There is also an instruction to let the land lie fallow every seventh year – which I would suppose means that every sabbath year you should not work.
There is an instruction that newly weds are to be supported by their families for the first year of their marriage so that the husband does not have to work.
Also, do you have a mezuzah on the front door post of you house and faithfully wear a tallit when praying?
Do you keep all of the feasts and holy days?
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Bonecrusher:
Just curious, do you propose to keep all of the other laws given in Leviticus or just dietary ones?
For instance there is a prohibition against charging interest to other Israelites and against paying interest to gentiles.
There is also an instruction to let the land lie fallow every seventh year – which I would suppose means that every sabbath year you should not work.
There is an instruction that newly weds are to be supported by their families for the first year of their marriage so that the husband does not have to work.
Also, do you have a mezuzah on the front door post of you house and faithfully wear a tallit when praying?
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Now you bring up Gallileo?
And a completely unrelated and uninformed reference to some bizarre notion of “Church infallibility”.
No wonder Hammie is done with this discussion.
Stop while you’re behind, sir, your ignorance is showing. -
Now you bring up Gallileo?
And a completely unrelated and uninformed reference to some bizarre notion of “Church infallibility”.
No wonder Hammie is done with this discussion.
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Thank you, Adee.
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RCIA’s gonna be easy the next three weeks. Our pastor’s going over all the changes to the English translation of the Missal.
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RCIA’s gonna be easy the next three weeks. Our pastor’s going over all the changes to the English translation of the Missal.
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I have been there and done that and it always stayed bread and wine, it did not change. It does not matter how much you may want to believe or how much faith that you may have, that bread and wine stays exactly the same as when it was made by human hands. The priest saying some words over it does not change its nature.
Well, that pretty much says it all.
I won’t bother asking about baptism.Discussion over.
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I have been there and done that and it always stayed bread and wine, it did not change. It does not matter how much you may want to believe or how much faith that you may have, that bread and wine stays exactly the same as when it was made by human hands. The priest saying some words over it does not change its nature.
Well, that pretty much says it all.
I won’t bother asking about baptism.
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I’ve been reading a little bit about the changes.Reading some of the specific passages from the “new” liturgy, it sounds downright…………..Anglican!!! 🙂
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98 WB
I’ve been reading a little bit about the changes.
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95 fat albert says:
October 12, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Bonecrusher:Just curious, do you propose to keep all of the other laws given in Leviticus or just dietary ones? I do as best as I can with no temple currently extant
For instance there is a prohibition against charging interest to other Israelites and against paying interest to gentiles.
There is also an instruction to let the land lie fallow every seventh year – which I would suppose means that every sabbath year you should not work.
It has to do with agriculture and it is a proven sound practice to let land lie fallow every 7 years. I am not involved in agriculture so that does not apply to me.There is an instruction that newly weds are to be supported by their families for the first year of their marriage so that the husband does not have to work.
I am pretty sure that provision is for armed service and not general living. Those men who are married did not have to go to war in the first year so as to allow for an heir and keep the land in the familyAlso, do you have a mezuzah on the front door post of you house and faithfully wear a tallit when praying?
Yes and not alwaysDo you keep all of the feasts and holy days?
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95 fat albert says:
October 12, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Bonecrusher:
Just curious, do you propose to keep all of the other laws given in Leviticus or just dietary ones? I do as best as I can with no temple currently extant
For instance there is a prohibition against charging interest to other Israelites and against paying interest to gentiles.
There is also an instruction to let the land lie fallow every seventh year – which I would suppose means that every sabbath year you should not work.
It has to do with agriculture and it is a proven sound practice to let land lie fallow every 7 years. I am not involved in agriculture so that does not apply to me.
There is an instruction that newly weds are to be supported by their families for the first year of their marriage so that the husband does not have to work.
I am pretty sure that provision is for armed service and not general living. Those men who are married did not have to go to war in the first year so as to allow for an heir and keep the land in the family
Also, do you have a mezuzah on the front door post of you house and faithfully wear a tallit when praying?
Yes and not always
Do you keep all of the feasts and holy days?
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Missed one or two.
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Missed one or two.
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#89 Bonecrusher:
You defer to the tradition of the elders of the Catholic faith; did you ever consider that they may have gotten some things wrong?
You’re actually kidding here right? This isn’t some arcane schismatic argument about a microscopically minor doctrinal points, you are making assertions about life and death issues. And, in every case that I have seen so far, you are in disagreement with 1900 years of established biblical scholarship. I’m not just speaking of Catholic scholars but literally everyone from Augustine and Origen to Luther, Erasmus and Calvin; From Hodge and Spurgeon to MacArthur, Piper, and Packer.
If you want to argue that giants of the faith such as these simply missed the boat because they didn’t “consider the context”, feel free, forgive me if I rather choose to trust teachers who have stood the test of time .
As far as my defense when standing in final judgement, I need none. I will humbly bow before the King of Glory covered in the Blood of the Lamb of God. Nothing else is necessary – nothing else will suffice.
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#89 Bonecrusher:
You defer to the tradition of the elders of the Catholic faith; did you ever consider that they may have gotten some things wrong?
You’re actually kidding here right? This isn’t some arcane schismatic argument about a microscopically minor doctrinal points, you are making assertions about life and death issues. And, in every case that I have seen so far, you are in disagreement with 1900 years of established biblical scholarship. I’m not just speaking of Catholic scholars but literally everyone from Augustine and Origen to Luther, Erasmus and Calvin; From Hodge and Spurgeon to MacArthur, Piper, and Packer.
If you want to argue that giants of the faith such as these simply missed the boat because they didn’t “consider the context”, feel free, forgive me if I rather choose to trust teachers who have stood the test of time .
As far as my defense when standing in final judgement, I need none. I will humbly bow before the King of Glory covered in the Blood of the Lamb of God. Nothing else is necessary – nothing else will suffice. -
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.–Galatians
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4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.–Galatians
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Can’t ya just feel all that Christian Brotherhood spilling out?
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Well it looks like “Vacation Bible School” is still in session, not that there is anything wrong with that, I’ll see y’all tommorow. Crossing fingers and hoping for ANY other topic. 😉
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Well it looks like “Vacation Bible School” is still in session, not that there is anything wrong with that, I’ll see y’all tommorow. Crossing fingers and hoping for ANY other topic. 😉
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I think things have been fairly civil. I certainly hold no ill will towards anyone. Like Shannon, I’m about sick and tired of politics. Unless y’all wanna spark up the establishment debate again 😉
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I think things have been fairly civil. I certainly hold no ill will towards anyone. Like Shannon, I’m about sick and tired of politics. Unless y’all wanna spark up the establishment debate again 😉
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Heaven forbid these religious nuts take over the blog for a day.
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Heaven forbid these religious nuts take over the blog for a day.
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#107 Hammy
I think things have been fairly civil.
Yes, Christians of all sorts are generally civil. Y’all really are “The Religion of Peace”.
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#107 Hammy
I think things have been fairly civil.
Yes, Christians of all sorts are generally civil. Y’all really are “The Religion of Peace”.
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MacArthur, Piper, and Packer.
Ah yes.
Douglas, Peter, and Green Bay.
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MacArthur, Piper, and Packer.
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#109 mh42
We try.Really.
Sometime I’ll hafta count how many times the priest and the faithful say “peace” or its equivalent during Mass.
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#109 mh42
We try.
Really.
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Message from Texpat:
Oh, and please forward this to Wagonburner and tell him every time I see his name, I will think about this video and believe somehow he had something to do with it.
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Message from Texpat:
Oh, and please forward this to Wagonburner and tell him every time I see his name, I will think about this video and believe somehow he had something to do with it.
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Sometime I’ll hafta count how many times the priest and the faithful say “peace” or its equivalent during Mass.
Found out sumpin interesting the other day, checked it out and it seems to be true. MJ might find the answer interesting.
What command does God give most often in the Bible?
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Sometime I’ll hafta count how many times the priest and the faithful say “peace” or its equivalent during Mass.
Found out sumpin interesting the other day, checked it out and it seems to be true. MJ might find the answer interesting.
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Love one another?
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Love one another?
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According to the sources I’ve checked, it is some variation of “Don’t be afraid.”
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According to the sources I’ve checked, it is some variation of “Don’t be afraid.”
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As far as my defense when standing in final judgement, I need none.
I have none. I do have hope in his mercy and grace.
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As far as my defense when standing in final judgement, I need none.
I have none. I do have hope in his mercy and grace.
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Don’t eat the prawns? -
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Well, I had a great class tonight. The kids are TAKING NOTES and asking questions! We were talking about faith, belief, and religion. I was able to go briefly over various religions and compare them. I was able to cut loose and joke some; I like my class to be loose and fun. Last year’s class would have taken a joke and run off with it for the next 20 minutes. I’m able to crack a joke (or listen to one of them crack a joke) and then move on. We covered sola scriptura and sola fide. We did have to move a couple of kids for talking and not paying attention (which always causes a ripple through the classroom), but that was it.
One girl told me she had no idea what Star Trek or Star Wars was. I told my bouncer to give her some candy, just for having such a deprived childhood. Everyone laughed.
It’s going to be a good year.
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Well, I had a great class tonight. The kids are TAKING NOTES and asking questions! We were talking about faith, belief, and religion. I was able to go briefly over various religions and compare them. I was able to cut loose and joke some; I like my class to be loose and fun. Last year’s class would have taken a joke and run off with it for the next 20 minutes. I’m able to crack a joke (or listen to one of them crack a joke) and then move on. We covered sola scriptura and sola fide. We did have to move a couple of kids for talking and not paying attention (which always causes a ripple through the classroom), but that was it.
One girl told me she had no idea what Star Trek or Star Wars was. I told my bouncer to give her some candy, just for having such a deprived childhood. Everyone laughed.
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Don’t eat the prawns?It could have been “Beware of craws!”
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Don’t eat the prawns?It could have been “Beware of craws!”
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#100 Shannon
Bite your own tongue!Actually it’s being done to bring back some nuance from the Latin. The English-speaking parts of the Church are the last to implement. The Romance language-speaking parts changed a while back. They were probably among the first given the similarity among those languages and with Latin.
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#100 Shannon
Bite your own tongue!
Actually it’s being done to bring back some nuance from the Latin. The English-speaking parts of the Church are the last to implement. The Romance language-speaking parts changed a while back. They were probably among the first given the similarity among those languages and with Latin. -
Where the heck are Woodward and Bernstein? Watergate was a drop in the Pacific Ocean compared to Fast and Furious, Solyndra, and another 1.2 billion federal loan guarantee for another green project involving a California Demoncat and his lobbyist son.
You got Pelozi and her husband’s land deal–You got John Podesta’s lobbyist sister-in-law getting a 135 million loan guarantee for some other wind power firm.
Where’s the book Woody and Bernie?
How about ‘All The President’s Henchmen, Cronies, Commies, Crooks, Liars, Traitors and Thieves’ for the title? Whaddya think Woody and Bernie?
Oh, I just remembered that Demoncat corruption is always good corruption therefore there will be no book.
The prOpObamagandist Media’s slogan is—All the Demoncat Corruption News we Omit and don’t Print will keep our Demoncats in like Flint!
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Where the heck are Woodward and Bernstein? Watergate was a drop in the Pacific Ocean compared to Fast and Furious, Solyndra, and another 1.2 billion federal loan guarantee for another green project involving a California Demoncat and his lobbyist son.
You got Pelozi and her husband’s land deal–You got John Podesta’s lobbyist sister-in-law getting a 135 million loan guarantee for some other wind power firm.
Where’s the book Woody and Bernie?
How about ‘All The President’s Henchmen, Cronies, Commies, Crooks, Liars, Traitors and Thieves’ for the title? Whaddya think Woody and Bernie?
Oh, I just remembered that Demoncat corruption is always good corruption therefore there will be no book.
The prOpObamagandist Media’s slogan is—All the Demoncat Corruption News we Omit and don’t Print will keep our Demoncats in like Flint! -
#121 phil
Clap, clap, clap and heh. Specially liked that long book title. 🙂 -
#121 phil
Clap, clap, clap and heh. Specially liked that long book title. 🙂 -
#119 Sarge
Craws, heh. And you have not waded in with any dietary prohibitions you practice and/or advise. Hallelujah. -
#119 Sarge
Craws, heh. And you have not waded in with any dietary prohibitions you practice and/or advise. Hallelujah. -
#121 It is amazing. Like someone said the other day, Watergate didn’t have a body count. We aren’t surprised when the media, DOJ and our HNP aren’t upset over the death of a US Border agent, but why is there no outrage over hundreds, if not thousands, of dead Mexicans? They were murdered as a direct consequence of a Democrat administration’s program.
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#121 It is amazing. Like someone said the other day, Watergate didn’t have a body count. We aren’t surprised when the media, DOJ and our HNP aren’t upset over the death of a US Border agent, but why is there no outrage over hundreds, if not thousands, of dead Mexicans? They were murdered as a direct consequence of a Democrat administration’s program.
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123 mharper42 says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:16 pm
#119 Sarge
Craws, heh. And you have not waded in with any dietary prohibitions you practice and/or advise. Hallelujah.I recommend against tomatoes in restaurants and potato salad in BBQ joints.
The former are generally kept too long to be fresh, and the former is usually made from yesterday’s unsold baked potatoes. I used to love potato salad in BBQ joints, until I worked in one.
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123 mharper42 says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:16 pm
#119 Sarge
Craws, heh. And you have not waded in with any dietary prohibitions you practice and/or advise. Hallelujah.I recommend against tomatoes in restaurants and potato salad in BBQ joints.
The former are generally kept too long to be fresh, and the former is usually made from yesterday’s unsold baked potatoes. I used to love potato salad in BBQ joints, until I worked in one. -
Sarge, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with cutting up yesterday’s baked potatoes to make potato salad today. Most people use up leftovers to make new combo dishes, so what’s the problem? Cold cooked taters from the fridge are ready to go, you don’t have to cook them, then cool them so they won’t heat up the chopped onions, pimento, celery or whatever else is going into today’s cold salad.
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Sarge, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with cutting up yesterday’s baked potatoes to make potato salad today. Most people use up leftovers to make new combo dishes, so what’s the problem? Cold cooked taters from the fridge are ready to go, you don’t have to cook them, then cool them so they won’t heat up the chopped onions, pimento, celery or whatever else is going into today’s cold salad.
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126 mharper42 says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Sarge, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with cutting up yesterday’s baked potatoes to make potato salad today. Most people use up leftovers to make new combo dishes, so what’s the problem? Cold cooked taters from the fridge are ready to go, you don’t have to cook them, then cool them so they won’t heat up the chopped onions, pimento, celery or whatever else is going into today’s cold salad.I guess its more of a “you can’t eat sausage after you’ve seen how its made.” kind of thing.
Its why I never watched my buddie’s Mom make head cheese.
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126 mharper42 says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Sarge, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with cutting up yesterday’s baked potatoes to make potato salad today. Most people use up leftovers to make new combo dishes, so what’s the problem? Cold cooked taters from the fridge are ready to go, you don’t have to cook them, then cool them so they won’t heat up the chopped onions, pimento, celery or whatever else is going into today’s cold salad.I guess its more of a “you can’t eat sausage after you’ve seen how its made.” kind of thing.
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Watergate didn’t have a body count
Ahem.
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Watergate didn’t have a body count
Ahem.
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bones #15;
I have not read all the comments yet and probably will not be able to do so tonight. So here’s a quick reply. I emphasize “quick” since his is off the top of my head and I’m no expert on this subject.
IF that is the case, why did Messiah say repeatedly in Matt 5 that HE DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW?
If God abolishes something, then that connotes a sort of prohibition of it. Why would God prohibit His own works? It seems to me that if there are those who want to continue with the law then God’s OK with it. If one desires to abstain from pork, worship on the Sabbath (Saturday), circumcise their boy children, stay away from their wives after birth, etc. then fine. But it is important to note that such things are no longer necessary. The whole purpose of The Law was a preporatory for the coming of the Messiah. Jesus fulfilled that coming with His birth and ministry. As a Latter-Day Saint, this has particular meaning to me. We very much view The Law as pointing to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ fulfilling it. We even believe the prophecy of the coming of Elijah “before that great and dreadful day” has been fulfilled.
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bones #15;
I have not read all the comments yet and probably will not be able to do so tonight. So here’s a quick reply. I emphasize “quick” since his is off the top of my head and I’m no expert on this subject.IF that is the case, why did Messiah say repeatedly in Matt 5 that HE DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW?
If God abolishes something, then that connotes a sort of prohibition of it. Why would God prohibit His own works? It seems to me that if there are those who want to continue with the law then God’s OK with it. If one desires to abstain from pork, worship on the Sabbath (Saturday), circumcise their boy children, stay away from their wives after birth, etc. then fine. But it is important to note that such things are no longer necessary. The whole purpose of The Law was a preporatory for the coming of the Messiah. Jesus fulfilled that coming with His birth and ministry. As a Latter-Day Saint, this has particular meaning to me. We very much view The Law as pointing to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ fulfilling it. We even believe the prophecy of the coming of Elijah “before that great and dreadful day” has been fulfilled.
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bones #28;
are you saying that you simply can’t live a happy life without eating that which was specifically forbidden in HIS LAW? Are you going to let your appetites rule over what is written?
Again, as a LDS I can kinda relate. We have what’s known as The Word of Wisdom. We believe this was modern-day revelation given to Joseph Smith concerning dietary living. At first this was a consel given by the Church leaders and eventually it became adapted into the Church and used as a standard. In other words, violating it can affect one’s membership. Two things commonly known to be part of the Word of Wisdom is the prohibition of tobacco (tobacco to be used for ther outer flesh, not the belly – I do believe there’s some medicinal properties to tobacco) and the prohibition of alcohol (also to be used for the outer flesh & not the belly). I’m 100% happy not having either substance as well as coffee and tea. However, if milk chocolate were to be added to it I’d be one unhappy camper. Especially at first. But I’d still obey it.
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bones #28;
are you saying that you simply can’t live a happy life without eating that which was specifically forbidden in HIS LAW? Are you going to let your appetites rule over what is written?
Again, as a LDS I can kinda relate. We have what’s known as The Word of Wisdom. We believe this was modern-day revelation given to Joseph Smith concerning dietary living. At first this was a consel given by the Church leaders and eventually it became adapted into the Church and used as a standard. In other words, violating it can affect one’s membership. Two things commonly known to be part of the Word of Wisdom is the prohibition of tobacco (tobacco to be used for ther outer flesh, not the belly – I do believe there’s some medicinal properties to tobacco) and the prohibition of alcohol (also to be used for the outer flesh & not the belly). I’m 100% happy not having either substance as well as coffee and tea. However, if milk chocolate were to be added to it I’d be one unhappy camper. Especially at first. But I’d still obey it.
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#42;
everything changed with Constantine around 325 of the common era
That’s for sure.
But Sunday worship and the reason why it was changed from Saturday to Sunday is OK with me. I grew up knowing that worship is on Sunday because it became tradition to do so according to Christ’s resurrection. Likewise, it does not bother me one bit that Christmas was “scheduled” to ocurr around Solstice. Nor does it bother me that “Easter” is named after a Roman pagan goddess. What’s important to e is that Christians gather in fellowship on a set day of the week to worship God. That Christians celebrate the birth of the Son of God. And that Christians honor the resurrection of their Redeemer. Though I did appretiate the details in history that you gave.
Eating unclean food is a violation of The Torah, do so at your own risk.
I will tell you this. The enlightenment of how to deep fry shrimp is one of God’s greatest gifts to man. Dang that stuff’s good. But too much can clog the arteries so ditto on the warning. 😉
This chatter about Constatine makes me wonder, do you believe in the Trinity? Modern-day Jews definitely do not and I do not know of any tradition among the Hebrews that says they ever did.
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#42;
everything changed with Constantine around 325 of the common era
That’s for sure.
But Sunday worship and the reason why it was changed from Saturday to Sunday is OK with me. I grew up knowing that worship is on Sunday because it became tradition to do so according to Christ’s resurrection. Likewise, it does not bother me one bit that Christmas was “scheduled” to ocurr around Solstice. Nor does it bother me that “Easter” is named after a Roman pagan goddess. What’s important to e is that Christians gather in fellowship on a set day of the week to worship God. That Christians celebrate the birth of the Son of God. And that Christians honor the resurrection of their Redeemer. Though I did appretiate the details in history that you gave.Eating unclean food is a violation of The Torah, do so at your own risk.
I will tell you this. The enlightenment of how to deep fry shrimp is one of God’s greatest gifts to man. Dang that stuff’s good. But too much can clog the arteries so ditto on the warning. 😉
This chatter about Constatine makes me wonder, do you believe in the Trinity? Modern-day Jews definitely do not and I do not know of any tradition among the Hebrews that says they ever did. -
#112;
I think wagon had everything to do with that video. In that case, as far as Wagonburner’s final judgement, Lord have mercy on his soul. 😉
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#112;
I think wagon had everything to do with that video. In that case, as far as Wagonburner’s final judgement, Lord have mercy on his soul. 😉 -
Adee #87;
What a fabulous thing to share.
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Adee #87;
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Texpat #59;
Very effective missionaries if they choose to serve full time for a year and a half. 😉
Temple Square in Salt Lake City is full of full time sister missionaries. Not one elder in sight. I often thought that the Church did this simply because people tend to naturally like talking to females or something like that. but the last time I visited I noted that two sisters were talking to one-on-one with one of the several Muslim women visitors there that day. I then thought, “wow, imagine what a Muslim’s husband would think if he ‘caught’ his wife being accopmanied alone by two males,”. Talk about avoiding serious conflict. My eyes were open a bit wider that day as to the wisdom behind governing the church and a popular place like Temple Square.
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Texpat #59;
Very effective missionaries if they choose to serve full time for a year and a half. 😉
Temple Square in Salt Lake City is full of full time sister missionaries. Not one elder in sight. I often thought that the Church did this simply because people tend to naturally like talking to females or something like that. but the last time I visited I noted that two sisters were talking to one-on-one with one of the several Muslim women visitors there that day. I then thought, “wow, imagine what a Muslim’s husband would think if he ‘caught’ his wife being accopmanied alone by two males,”. Talk about avoiding serious conflict. My eyes were open a bit wider that day as to the wisdom behind governing the church and a popular place like Temple Square. -
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