Monday “Working Late” Open Comments

Well, I pulled another late nighter again. It was 1:00 am before I made it to bed, but I think I finally have almost everything the CPA wanted for today. I made the deadline, although I was well and truly dead by this morning.
I work harder than our esteemed president, it seems. He went golfing again, and is scheduled for yet another vacation starting this week. I can’t remember the last time I took a vacation. But he’s clean, articulate, and his skin is the right color, and I won’t say anything.
Anyway, come on in. I put the newspaper away yesterday, after I pulled the coupons and read the comics. There’s tea in the fridge, and TWO remotes for the TV, if Hubby hasn’t dropped his in the chair cushions again. Come on in, kick off your shoes, and let’s talk.
I have to get rent Barf Kitty some more cat food. Just don’t graffiti the place while I’m gone, okay?


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  1. Hamous Avatar

    From yesterday’s O/C thread:

    144 GJT says:
    August 14, 2011 at 8:24 pm
    Budget Impasse Explained – PG version

    The folks who are getting free stuff, don’t like the folks who are
    paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the
    free stuff, can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and
    their own stuff. And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want
    the free stuff to stop. And the folks who are getting the free stuff,
    want even MORE free stuff on top of the free stuff they’re already
    getting! Now… The people who are forcing the people who PAY for the
    free stuff, have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff,
    that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean,
    prejudiced, and racist. So… the people who are GETTING the free
    stuff have been convinced they need to HATE the people who are
    PAYING for the free stuff by the people who are forcing the people
    who are PAYING for the free stuff and GIVING them the free stuff in
    the first place.Now… Ain’t THAT some STUFF!

    and mine from earlier this morning:

    This story speaks volumes about our situation here as well.

    Please respect FT.com’s ts&cs and copyright policy which allow you to: share links; copy content for personal use; & redistribute limited extracts. Email [email protected] to buy additional rights or use this link to reference the article – http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c8970a8c-c688-11e0-bb50-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1V6JmnLxK

    Ministers are drawing up controversial plans to remove benefits from those convicted of taking part in the riots that engulfed England last week, in a move Liberal Democrats and independent experts have condemned as counter-productive and overly expensive.

    So the sane ones in England are saying “stop paying for bad behavior” and the Liberal Demoncrats (but I repeat myself) are saying that it won’t work and will cost more; isn’t the same thing happening here?

    Should this be the o/c topic for the day?

    This is the same thing isn’t it?
    When the people pulling the wagon finally revolt and stop pulling, what are the people in the wagon gonna do?

  2. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    From yesterday’s O/C thread:

    144 GJT says:
    August 14, 2011 at 8:24 pm
    Budget Impasse Explained – PG version
    The folks who are getting free stuff, don’t like the folks who are
    paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the
    free stuff, can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and
    their own stuff. And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want
    the free stuff to stop. And the folks who are getting the free stuff,
    want even MORE free stuff on top of the free stuff they’re already
    getting! Now… The people who are forcing the people who PAY for the
    free stuff, have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff,
    that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean,
    prejudiced, and racist. So… the people who are GETTING the free
    stuff have been convinced they need to HATE the people who are
    PAYING for the free stuff by the people who are forcing the people
    who are PAYING for the free stuff and GIVING them the free stuff in
    the first place.Now… Ain’t THAT some STUFF!

    and mine from earlier this morning:

    This story speaks volumes about our situation here as well.
    Please respect FT.com’s ts&cs and copyright policy which allow you to: share links; copy content for personal use; & redistribute limited extracts. Email [email protected] to buy additional rights or use this link to reference the article – http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c8970a8c-c688-11e0-bb50-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1V6JmnLxK
    Ministers are drawing up controversial plans to remove benefits from those convicted of taking part in the riots that engulfed England last week, in a move Liberal Democrats and independent experts have condemned as counter-productive and overly expensive.
    So the sane ones in England are saying “stop paying for bad behavior” and the Liberal Demoncrats (but I repeat myself) are saying that it won’t work and will cost more; isn’t the same thing happening here?
    Should this be the o/c topic for the day?

    This is the same thing isn’t it?
    When the people pulling the wagon finally revolt and stop pulling, what are the people in the wagon gonna do?

  3. Hamous Avatar

    Good wissin Monday morning y’all.

  4. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Good wissin Monday morning y’all.

  5. Tedtam Avatar

    Hide and Seek sounds like an interesting book. This is certainly an interesting story.

  6. Tedtam Avatar

    Hide and Seek sounds like an interesting book. This is certainly an interesting story.

  7. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning all

    Today, in 1945, Japan surrendered, ending World War II.
    Even though I was just a youngster, I remember it well. It was one giant nationwide party.

    Now we need a VOBH day next November.

  8. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all
    Today, in 1945, Japan surrendered, ending World War II.
    Even though I was just a youngster, I remember it well. It was one giant nationwide party.
    Now we need a VOBH day next November.

  9. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #5 – That Priest sure does resemble Karl Malden eh?

  10. Katfish Avatar

    #5 – That Priest sure does resemble Karl Malden eh?

  11. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    TT
    I didn’t get to bed til 1AM myself. Of course I went to sleep in the recliner about 9:55. Missed the late news. 🙂

  12. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    TT
    I didn’t get to bed til 1AM myself. Of course I went to sleep in the recliner about 9:55. Missed the late news. 🙂

  13. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Joke of the day:

    Reid expects Tea Party to fade away

    “The Tea Party was the result of a terrible economy,” he said. “I’ve said that many times, and I believe that.”

    “That (the Tea Party) will pass.

    Article here: (More of the same old same old)

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/reid-expects-tea-party-to-fade-away-127677778.html

  14. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Joke of the day:

    Reid expects Tea Party to fade away
    “The Tea Party was the result of a terrible economy,” he said. “I’ve said that many times, and I believe that.”
    “That (the Tea Party) will pass.

    Article here: (More of the same old same old)
    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/reid-expects-tea-party-to-fade-away-127677778.html

  15. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #5 TT

    Speaking of religious things, I saw a billboard that said: NEED HELP, CALL JESUS 1-800-XXX-3787 Out of curiosity, I did.

    A Mexican showed up with a lawnmower

  16. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #5 TT
    Speaking of religious things, I saw a billboard that said: NEED HELP, CALL JESUS 1-800-XXX-3787 Out of curiosity, I did.
    A Mexican showed up with a lawnmower

  17. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I once heard a black politician, possibly Julian Bond, say that civilized societies have to have “entitlements” for the less accomplished because otherwise there is too much disparity between the well-off and the poor. And he opined that disparity is inherently destabilizing. He pointed to the Third World as abundant example of that. So he believed we are simply buying social stability with handouts to those who aren’t self-supporting.

  18. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I once heard a black politician, possibly Julian Bond, say that civilized societies have to have “entitlements” for the less accomplished because otherwise there is too much disparity between the well-off and the poor. And he opined that disparity is inherently destabilizing. He pointed to the Third World as abundant example of that. So he believed we are simply buying social stability with handouts to those who aren’t self-supporting.

  19. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #11 mharper42

    You forgot to say /spits

  20. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #11 mharper42
    You forgot to say /spits

  21. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Also on this day in history, 40 years ago President Nixon put us on the road to financial ruin by taking us off the gold standard. At that time, your dollar would buy 1/35th ounce of gold or a lot of other stuff – today it will buy 1/1750th of an ounce of gold and not even a decent cup of coffee.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/today-40th-anniversary-nixon-ending-gold-standard-and-creating-modern-fiat-monetary-system
    And some or worried about a default on our debt – it happened 40 years ago already.

  22. El Gordo Avatar

    Also on this day in history, 40 years ago President Nixon put us on the road to financial ruin by taking us off the gold standard. At that time, your dollar would buy 1/35th ounce of gold or a lot of other stuff – today it will buy 1/1750th of an ounce of gold and not even a decent cup of coffee.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/today-40th-anniversary-nixon-ending-gold-standard-and-creating-modern-fiat-monetary-system
    And some or worried about a default on our debt – it happened 40 years ago already.

  23. Hamous Avatar

    #9 OTL: from your linkie:

    — Echoing the sentiment of other Democrats and devoted Keynesians, Reid said the failed stimulus just wasn’t big enough. “I had $100 billion in infrastructure development in the bill, but I needed three Republican votes. Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins made me get rid of it.”

    What a bunch of wiss-wads! Even Keynes himself said that you must not borrow money to provide stimulus. I guess they left that part out didn’t they? That is always the same whine from the left, we didn’t spend enough money, when the flawed programs always fail.

  24. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #9 OTL: from your linkie:

    — Echoing the sentiment of other Democrats and devoted Keynesians, Reid said the failed stimulus just wasn’t big enough. “I had $100 billion in infrastructure development in the bill, but I needed three Republican votes. Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins made me get rid of it.”

    What a bunch of wiss-wads! Even Keynes himself said that you must not borrow money to provide stimulus. I guess they left that part out didn’t they? That is always the same whine from the left, we didn’t spend enough money, when the flawed programs always fail.

  25. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #14 Boney

    It’s funny, but every debt manager tells their clients right off the bat: “cut up your credit card, quit spending and set up a plan to pay down your debt.” Maybe if they Googled “Debt Management” they could learn what to do.

    But on second thought, don’t do that, they would fall for one of the sham companies that takes all you have and disappears into the night.

  26. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #14 Boney
    It’s funny, but every debt manager tells their clients right off the bat: “cut up your credit card, quit spending and set up a plan to pay down your debt.” Maybe if they Googled “Debt Management” they could learn what to do.
    But on second thought, don’t do that, they would fall for one of the sham companies that takes all you have and disappears into the night.

  27. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Gotta go do errands- have a good Monday

  28. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Gotta go do errands- have a good Monday

  29. Katfish Avatar

    #13 el gordo
    Actually, most of the blame can be placed at the feet of LBJ for his Great Society programs.

    The gold standard is seen as some sort of panacea by many. All it does is limit the amount of growth an economy can undergo. The Bretton Woods agreement essentially tied most major world currencies to gold via fixed exchange rates. This system is inherently unworkable because there will always be countries whose economies are functioning better than others. The Euro Zone is an example of this.

    While the value of the Euro is not tied to gold (or any other physical asset), it has the same value across the EU, which is basically what Bretton Woods did.

    There is not enough gold at the current price of gold to back all dollars and dollar denominated assets in the US, let alone around the world. Going to a standard where dollars would be required to be redeemable for gold would put the US economy at the mercy of net gold producers around the world.

    Furthermore, when gold was used as a monetary exchange mechanism, there were very few other uses for it. These other uses were dominated by jewelry; there was little industrial use. That has now changed, so the value of gold is more and more affected by its utility as an industrial metal. There is nothing intrinsically valuable about gold outside its industrial value. It has a monetary value only through long tradition, when it was one of the few substances that was sufficiently rare, portable, and did not decay.

  30. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #13 el gordo
    Actually, most of the blame can be placed at the feet of LBJ for his Great Society programs.
    The gold standard is seen as some sort of panacea by many. All it does is limit the amount of growth an economy can undergo. The Bretton Woods agreement essentially tied most major world currencies to gold via fixed exchange rates. This system is inherently unworkable because there will always be countries whose economies are functioning better than others. The Euro Zone is an example of this.
    While the value of the Euro is not tied to gold (or any other physical asset), it has the same value across the EU, which is basically what Bretton Woods did.
    There is not enough gold at the current price of gold to back all dollars and dollar denominated assets in the US, let alone around the world. Going to a standard where dollars would be required to be redeemable for gold would put the US economy at the mercy of net gold producers around the world.
    Furthermore, when gold was used as a monetary exchange mechanism, there were very few other uses for it. These other uses were dominated by jewelry; there was little industrial use. That has now changed, so the value of gold is more and more affected by its utility as an industrial metal. There is nothing intrinsically valuable about gold outside its industrial value. It has a monetary value only through long tradition, when it was one of the few substances that was sufficiently rare, portable, and did not decay.

  31. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Well, apparently Rick Perry himself is behind A&M moving to the SEC:

    Texas A&M’s move to the Southeast Conference is not just about football. It is also about politics. It is a way for Perry to validate himself as a southerner. In one bold move–and don’t think for a moment that Perry didn’t orchestrate this–Perry has used A&M to leverage himself into prominence in the South, an area where a Republican presidential candidate must run well. The A&M culture and the southern culture mesh well. It’s military, it’s patriotic (if you overlook the Civil War), it’s athletics overshadowing academics at most institutions, the exceptions being Vanderbilt and Georgia.

    Ignoring the trutheresque feel about the article let’s look at Burka’s reasoning. Currently Perry’s chief opponents are Michele “Dontcha know” Bachman and Mitt “The Mormon” Romney. If being Southern is a prerequisite for getting Southern votes I don’t think Rick needs to move A&M to the SEC to win this one. He’s from the South! Bachman and Romney aren’t, and there isn’t a linguistics coach in the world that can make them seem believably Southern. If he wins the nomination the same reasoning would apply to Obama. Florida is the only SEC state Obama carried in 2008 and with their unemployment rate currently at 10.6% that won’t happen in 2012.

    And then there’s the silly argument that Big 12 focuses on academics while the SEC puts athletics first. I debunked that last year when we went through this exercise. The SEC has a higher graduation rate of its football players than the Big 12.

  32. Hamous Avatar

    Well, apparently Rick Perry himself is behind A&M moving to the SEC:

    Texas A&M’s move to the Southeast Conference is not just about football. It is also about politics. It is a way for Perry to validate himself as a southerner. In one bold move–and don’t think for a moment that Perry didn’t orchestrate this–Perry has used A&M to leverage himself into prominence in the South, an area where a Republican presidential candidate must run well. The A&M culture and the southern culture mesh well. It’s military, it’s patriotic (if you overlook the Civil War), it’s athletics overshadowing academics at most institutions, the exceptions being Vanderbilt and Georgia.

    Ignoring the trutheresque feel about the article let’s look at Burka’s reasoning. Currently Perry’s chief opponents are Michele “Dontcha know” Bachman and Mitt “The Mormon” Romney. If being Southern is a prerequisite for getting Southern votes I don’t think Rick needs to move A&M to the SEC to win this one. He’s from the South! Bachman and Romney aren’t, and there isn’t a linguistics coach in the world that can make them seem believably Southern. If he wins the nomination the same reasoning would apply to Obama. Florida is the only SEC state Obama carried in 2008 and with their unemployment rate currently at 10.6% that won’t happen in 2012.
    And then there’s the silly argument that Big 12 focuses on academics while the SEC puts athletics first. I debunked that last year when we went through this exercise. The SEC has a higher graduation rate of its football players than the Big 12.

  33. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Hammy, you are so scientific about football and politics both! Graph it out for us, brother!

  34. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Hammy, you are so scientific about football and politics both! Graph it out for us, brother!

  35. Tedtam Avatar

    Did I miss something? Has the mantra changed from “I blame Bush” to “I blame Perry”?

    Sometimes I just feel so behind the curve…

  36. Tedtam Avatar

    Did I miss something? Has the mantra changed from “I blame Bush” to “I blame Perry”?
    Sometimes I just feel so behind the curve…

  37. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Hammy, you are so scientific about football and politics both!

    Well, I am a scientist. Most things can be explained scientifically. If I can’t figure it out with science then I cling to my guns and religion.

  38. Hamous Avatar

    Hammy, you are so scientific about football and politics both!

    Well, I am a scientist. Most things can be explained scientifically. If I can’t figure it out with science then I cling to my guns and religion.

  39. Tedtam Avatar

    #22 Hammy

    You’re just bitter.

  40. Tedtam Avatar

    #22 Hammy
    You’re just bitter.

  41. Tedtam Avatar

    I could have said “retards” instead of “libs,” but most of the retarded people I’ve met have some sense of right and wrong, and I didn’t want to insult them.

  42. Tedtam Avatar

    I could have said “retards” instead of “libs,” but most of the retarded people I’ve met have some sense of right and wrong, and I didn’t want to insult them.

  43. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Warren Buffett has been grousing for years about the rich not paying enough taxes. When he said his secretary paid more tax than he did, he was dishonestly comparing tax rate on earned income to tax rate on investment income. Plus there there was something just wrong about his figures for the secretary. He claimed she was paying 30% on $60K. The 2006/2007 1040 tax tables don’t show anything close to a 30% rate for that income. The worst you could have done was about 20% if you were totally incompetent at filing your taxes.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

    Me, I am fine with Buffett just giving away his money to charitable endeavors, even crapola like AIDS education in Africa. Just wish he would shut up about what others should do tax-wise.

  44. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Warren Buffett has been grousing for years about the rich not paying enough taxes. When he said his secretary paid more tax than he did, he was dishonestly comparing tax rate on earned income to tax rate on investment income. Plus there there was something just wrong about his figures for the secretary. He claimed she was paying 30% on $60K. The 2006/2007 1040 tax tables don’t show anything close to a 30% rate for that income. The worst you could have done was about 20% if you were totally incompetent at filing your taxes.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
    Me, I am fine with Buffett just giving away his money to charitable endeavors, even crapola like AIDS education in Africa. Just wish he would shut up about what others should do tax-wise.

  45. Tedtam Avatar

    #26 Mharper

    Just wish he would shut up about what others should do tax-wise.

    Sounds like this.

    I just clicked on the link and got the dreaded 404 error. It was supposed to be a whip cracking.

    ‘cuz we all know Mharper’s got a few in her closet, right? 😉

  46. Tedtam Avatar

    #26 Mharper

    Just wish he would shut up about what others should do tax-wise.

    Sounds like this.
    I just clicked on the link and got the dreaded 404 error. It was supposed to be a whip cracking.
    ‘cuz we all know Mharper’s got a few in her closet, right? 😉

  47. Katfish Avatar

    Big 12 focuses on academics

    Who knew?

  48. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Big 12 focuses on academics

    Who knew?

  49. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #25 TT
    Speaking of retarded people, 60 Minutes reran their piece on baseball slugger Albert Pujols. An immigrant from the Dominican Republic (the better end of the island shared with Haiti), Pujols married an American who had a Downs Syndrome child, now his adopted oldest. The 60 Mins piece had strong coverage of a Downs Prom event his foundation sponsors every year. There are some pictures and videos on this site:
    http://pujolsfamilyfoundationblog.org/category/down-syndrome/

    This athlete, unlike SO many, is a wonderful human being.

    (“Tiger, are you my daddy?”)
    http://wireupdate.com/sports/84/tiger-are-you-my-daddy-banner-plane-flies-over-golf-tournament/

  50. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #25 TT
    Speaking of retarded people, 60 Minutes reran their piece on baseball slugger Albert Pujols. An immigrant from the Dominican Republic (the better end of the island shared with Haiti), Pujols married an American who had a Downs Syndrome child, now his adopted oldest. The 60 Mins piece had strong coverage of a Downs Prom event his foundation sponsors every year. There are some pictures and videos on this site:
    http://pujolsfamilyfoundationblog.org/category/down-syndrome/
    This athlete, unlike SO many, is a wonderful human being.
    (“Tiger, are you my daddy?”)
    http://wireupdate.com/sports/84/tiger-are-you-my-daddy-banner-plane-flies-over-golf-tournament/

  51. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Albert is a standup guy, even if he is a Cardinal.

  52. Hamous Avatar

    Albert is a standup guy, even if he is a Cardinal.

  53. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #27 TT
    The link in my 27 works for me… I don’t quite understand what your link is supposed to be? (My dominatrix days are far behind me now.)

  54. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #27 TT
    The link in my 27 works for me… I don’t quite understand what your link is supposed to be? (My dominatrix days are far behind me now.)

  55. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Here’s the face of the dole in England:

    The boy, who cannot be named because of his age, was one of the very few defendants to walk free from court, after receiving a nine month referral order for burglary and violent disorder.

    His mother, sitting beside the boy’s father, wiped tears from her eyes as the court was told she handed him in after seeing wanted photos of her son being circulated by Greater Manchester Police.

    She is on benefits, does not live with the boy’s father and has 10 other children, the court heard.

    Outside court she told reporters she was ”ashamed” of her son.

    ”I didn’t know he was in the riot. I went out to look for him. It’s wrong I’m ashamed of him,” she said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8702412/Mother-of-13-year-old-who-smashed-up-shop-blames-government.html

  56. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Here’s the face of the dole in England:

    The boy, who cannot be named because of his age, was one of the very few defendants to walk free from court, after receiving a nine month referral order for burglary and violent disorder.
    His mother, sitting beside the boy’s father, wiped tears from her eyes as the court was told she handed him in after seeing wanted photos of her son being circulated by Greater Manchester Police.
    She is on benefits, does not live with the boy’s father and has 10 other children, the court heard.
    Outside court she told reporters she was ”ashamed” of her son.
    ”I didn’t know he was in the riot. I went out to look for him. It’s wrong I’m ashamed of him,” she said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8702412/Mother-of-13-year-old-who-smashed-up-shop-blames-government.html

  57. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good afternoon Hamsters. Dampish 76 at 6 outside and dry 80 inside on accounta the power was off from about 1:30 am to a bit after 6 this monring. For the second time. Was out from 7 to 8:20 last evening.
    Next door neighbor called last evening to confirm our power was out too, since in the daylight you can’t tell.

    The culprit was a blown fuse on a pole at the front of the subdivision–both times. Spouse thinks the cause of both was a failing transformer that finally failed the second time. Just one line through our subdivision was out; neighbors on either side never lost power ’cause they’re on different lines. Spouse got our generator wheeled out and connected shortly after 5 am so we had all fans and the wall ac in the garden room functional. One other home on the line had lights also–they have a large generator that comes on when the power goes off and can handle central ac as well as the minor household stuff. Seriously thinking of getting info on something like that. 🙂

  58. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good afternoon Hamsters. Dampish 76 at 6 outside and dry 80 inside on accounta the power was off from about 1:30 am to a bit after 6 this monring. For the second time. Was out from 7 to 8:20 last evening.
    Next door neighbor called last evening to confirm our power was out too, since in the daylight you can’t tell.
    The culprit was a blown fuse on a pole at the front of the subdivision–both times. Spouse thinks the cause of both was a failing transformer that finally failed the second time. Just one line through our subdivision was out; neighbors on either side never lost power ’cause they’re on different lines. Spouse got our generator wheeled out and connected shortly after 5 am so we had all fans and the wall ac in the garden room functional. One other home on the line had lights also–they have a large generator that comes on when the power goes off and can handle central ac as well as the minor household stuff. Seriously thinking of getting info on something like that. 🙂

  59. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #35 – MsAdee you have Katfishy email…………………..

  60. Katfish Avatar

    #35 – MsAdee you have Katfishy email…………………..

  61. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    OMG Rush should give SPEW alerts now and then!

    He just pondered which MSNBC personality would first be discovered at POTUS’s next colonoscopy………………………………..

    I’m still squeegeeing off my monitor……………… ROFL

  62. Katfish Avatar

    OMG Rush should give SPEW alerts now and then!
    He just pondered which MSNBC personality would first be discovered at POTUS’s next colonoscopy………………………………..
    I’m still squeegeeing off my monitor……………… ROFL

  63. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Albert is a standup guy, even if he is a Cardinal.

  64. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Albert is a standup guy, even if he is a Cardinal.

  65. Hamous Avatar

    This is a great reason to limit pregnancy in girls under the age of 17 or so. Apparently the mooooooooooooooslims don’t really care about their wimmins, because they get them pregnant when they are still little girls.

    MOTHERS AS YOUNG AS 12
    A survey of nine African countries by the U.N. Population Fund (UNFPA) in 2003 found that most fistula patients were poor, uneducated teenagers who developed a fistula while giving birth to their first child. Some were as young as 12.
    When a mother’s hips are too small for the baby’s head to pass through, it presses down on her pelvic bone, cutting off blood supply and causing the tissue to die. The resulting hole causes urinal or fecal incontinence.
    The baby usually dies.
    “The complete pelvic bone growth would be at 21 years of age. So long as bones are not completely mature you have a risk of obstructed labor,” said Wakasiaka.
    Girls aged 15-19 are twice as likely to die in pregnancy or childbirth than women aged 20-24, according to the United Nations.

    Civilized people don’t treat their wimmins like that.

  66. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    This is a great reason to limit pregnancy in girls under the age of 17 or so. Apparently the mooooooooooooooslims don’t really care about their wimmins, because they get them pregnant when they are still little girls.

    MOTHERS AS YOUNG AS 12
    A survey of nine African countries by the U.N. Population Fund (UNFPA) in 2003 found that most fistula patients were poor, uneducated teenagers who developed a fistula while giving birth to their first child. Some were as young as 12.
    When a mother’s hips are too small for the baby’s head to pass through, it presses down on her pelvic bone, cutting off blood supply and causing the tissue to die. The resulting hole causes urinal or fecal incontinence.
    The baby usually dies.
    “The complete pelvic bone growth would be at 21 years of age. So long as bones are not completely mature you have a risk of obstructed labor,” said Wakasiaka.
    Girls aged 15-19 are twice as likely to die in pregnancy or childbirth than women aged 20-24, according to the United Nations.

    Civilized people don’t treat their wimmins like that.

  67. Hamous Avatar

    Limbaugh just referred to the LSM as “presstitutes” :>)

  68. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Limbaugh just referred to the LSM as “presstitutes” :>)

  69. Tedtam Avatar

    #41 Boney

    I heard.
    I smiled.
    I chuckled.
    I agreed.

  70. Tedtam Avatar

    #41 Boney
    I heard.
    I smiled.
    I chuckled.
    I agreed.

  71. Hamous Avatar

    #40 TT: Poor Dylan.

  72. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #40 TT: Poor Dylan.

  73. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Dylan sounds like a total loser to me. But then, so does his friend Emily. I’m go glad I grew up back when some things were private and not posted on the internet.

  74. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Dylan sounds like a total loser to me. But then, so does his friend Emily. I’m go glad I grew up back when some things were private and not posted on the internet.

  75. Hamous Avatar

    #44 M42: This generation has never been challenged to produce original intellectual achievement. The music (c)rap is devoid of melody, rarely speaks of anything positive, is harsh in tone and generally is irritating or depressing. The modern TV shows are all totally unreal “reality” shows that all seem to circle around backstabbing and sex. Once again, do you ever see the good side of humanity in these shows? Because they have never developed their creative/intellectual side all they have left to discuss are sex, bodily functions and physical attributes.

  76. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #44 M42: This generation has never been challenged to produce original intellectual achievement. The music (c)rap is devoid of melody, rarely speaks of anything positive, is harsh in tone and generally is irritating or depressing. The modern TV shows are all totally unreal “reality” shows that all seem to circle around backstabbing and sex. Once again, do you ever see the good side of humanity in these shows? Because they have never developed their creative/intellectual side all they have left to discuss are sex, bodily functions and physical attributes.

  77. Hamous Avatar

    #37 Katfish: The last one will prolly be Chrissy Mathews, yanno first in last out.

  78. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #37 Katfish: The last one will prolly be Chrissy Mathews, yanno first in last out.

  79. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #46 – I see you have your sequentialism well organized!!!

    ROFL

  80. Katfish Avatar

    #46 – I see you have your sequentialism well organized!!!
    ROFL

  81. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    *prayer request*

    Please – ANYONE who’s ever HAD Cancer or been touched by it – our BACA sister Shooter-Gal goes under the surgical (mastectomy) knife tomorrow. All kneemail surely is appreciated!!!!

  82. Katfish Avatar

    *prayer request*
    Please – ANYONE who’s ever HAD Cancer or been touched by it – our BACA sister Shooter-Gal goes under the surgical (mastectomy) knife tomorrow. All kneemail surely is appreciated!!!!

  83. Tedtam Avatar

    #48 Katfish

    Done and did.

  84. Tedtam Avatar

    #48 Katfish
    Done and did.

  85. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #48 kf
    yikes.
    done

  86. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Yikes! I was in this river pretty close to the same place back in June. Didn’t submerge myself though. There were signs all over the place warning people not to go swimming because of pathogens like this. The water is really low and it tends to stagnate. Plus there’s gators everywhere.

  87. Hamous Avatar

    Yikes! I was in this river pretty close to the same place back in June. Didn’t submerge myself though. There were signs all over the place warning people not to go swimming because of pathogens like this. The water is really low and it tends to stagnate. Plus there’s gators everywhere.

  88. Tedtam Avatar

    #51 Hammy

    I’m glad those nasty ‘meebers didn’t get you. Don’t know as I could lose my blogger family a second time. Whatever would I do with myself?

    Second, God bless that teenager for donating her organs, and God bless her family for what they’ve been through.

  89. Tedtam Avatar

    #51 Hammy
    I’m glad those nasty ‘meebers didn’t get you. Don’t know as I could lose my blogger family a second time. Whatever would I do with myself?
    Second, God bless that teenager for donating her organs, and God bless her family for what they’ve been through.

  90. Hamous Avatar

    from my inbox:

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who’s hand was caught in the squeeze gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man… Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his role as our president.
    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘Post Turtle”.
    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him, what a ‘post turtle’ was.
    The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.
    The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. ‘
    “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with.”

  91. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    from my inbox:

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who’s hand was caught in the squeeze gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man… Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his role as our president.
    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘Post Turtle”.
    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him, what a ‘post turtle’ was.
    The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.
    The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. ‘
    “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with.”

  92. Hamous Avatar

    . . . . .and this:

    Snotty Receptionist

    Yesterday I had an appointment to see the urologist for a Prostate exam. Of course I was a bit on edge because all my friends have either gone under the knife or had those pellets implanted…….

    The waiting room was filled with patients. As I approached the receptionist’s desk, I noticed that the receptionist was a large unfriendly woman who looked like a Sumo wrestler. I gave her my name. In a very loud voice, the receptionist said, “YES, I HAVE YOUR NAME HERE; YOU WANT TO SEE THE DOCTOR ABOUT IMPOTENCE, RIGHT?”

    All the patients in the waiting room snapped their heads around to look at me, a now very embarrassed man. But as usual, I recovered quickly, and in an equally loud voice replied, ‘NO, I’VE COME TO INQUIRE ABOUT A SEX CHANGE OPERATION, BUT I DON’T WANT THE SAME DOCTOR THAT DID YOURS.”

    The room erupted in applause!

    DON’T MESS WITH OLD RETIRED GUYS

  93. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    . . . . .and this:

    Snotty Receptionist
    Yesterday I had an appointment to see the urologist for a Prostate exam. Of course I was a bit on edge because all my friends have either gone under the knife or had those pellets implanted…….
    The waiting room was filled with patients. As I approached the receptionist’s desk, I noticed that the receptionist was a large unfriendly woman who looked like a Sumo wrestler. I gave her my name. In a very loud voice, the receptionist said, “YES, I HAVE YOUR NAME HERE; YOU WANT TO SEE THE DOCTOR ABOUT IMPOTENCE, RIGHT?”
    All the patients in the waiting room snapped their heads around to look at me, a now very embarrassed man. But as usual, I recovered quickly, and in an equally loud voice replied, ‘NO, I’VE COME TO INQUIRE ABOUT A SEX CHANGE OPERATION, BUT I DON’T WANT THE SAME DOCTOR THAT DID YOURS.”
    The room erupted in applause!
    DON’T MESS WITH OLD RETIRED GUYS

  94. Hamous Avatar

    Vote NO on Foxnews then pass this along

    Go to FOX and in America VOTE !!! This is disgusting, to put it mildly. Your voice needs to be heard.

    This is just sickening. Only 76.15% have voted on the FOX poll to NOT ban the flag in school and something like 18.0% voted YES, to ban it. What is going on in this country??

    Fox is running a poll about whether the flag should be banned in schools in order not to inflame Hispanic students. The poll is being sandbagged by SEIU and we should mount a counter action if you agree with me that the flag should be taken down for no one.

    Moveon.org, funded by George Soros, Organizing for America , and SEIU, “Service Employee International UNION”, have been twittering today to go to Fox Poll and vote to BAN the American Flag and right now it is still working (18%)..

    Take 10 seconds & SHOW THEM WHAT TRUE PATRIOTS BELIEVE!!!

    GO HERE NOW: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/

    VOTE……….and then pass it along!

  95. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Vote NO on Foxnews then pass this along
    Go to FOX and in America VOTE !!! This is disgusting, to put it mildly. Your voice needs to be heard.
    This is just sickening. Only 76.15% have voted on the FOX poll to NOT ban the flag in school and something like 18.0% voted YES, to ban it. What is going on in this country??
    Fox is running a poll about whether the flag should be banned in schools in order not to inflame Hispanic students. The poll is being sandbagged by SEIU and we should mount a counter action if you agree with me that the flag should be taken down for no one.
    Moveon.org, funded by George Soros, Organizing for America , and SEIU, “Service Employee International UNION”, have been twittering today to go to Fox Poll and vote to BAN the American Flag and right now it is still working (18%)..
    Take 10 seconds & SHOW THEM WHAT TRUE PATRIOTS BELIEVE!!!
    GO HERE NOW: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/
    VOTE……….and then pass it along!

  96. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    With an economy seemingly on the precipice of a renewed recession, an angry conservative movement that regards him with disdain, and a disillusioned liberal base disappointed in his first term, Barack Obama’s bid for reelection next year will, by all indications, be a tough, maybe even uphill fight.

    Ya think??? I can’t wait to read what liberal spaghetti bowl the author spoons out describing how our HNP will win.

    Ahhh. Obama is SuperTruman.

    The alternative is not for the president to abandon negotiation or make his own set of non-negotiable demands, but to channel his inner Harry Truman. That means first redefining the terms of debate, framing a narrative across the country by both decrying the bickering and describing the consequences for voters everywhere if the Republican Congress has its way—what the budget cuts in the House budget would mean for medical research, how people with serious disabilities would be forced onto the streets, Medicaid patients unable to get organ transplants, and so on. The president’s domestic policy achievements from his first two years were not received enthusiastically by voters, and the record this year is dismal, but he can take a chapter from Truman’s playbook by describing in detail the many pressing issues facing the country, which the 112th House, and the Republican minority in the Senate, have refused to address.

    In other words, bust out the Alinsky playbook again. Lie through your teeth. Scare the bejeebers out of the disabled and elderly with those lies while ignoring your own abysmal record.

  97. Hamous Avatar

    With an economy seemingly on the precipice of a renewed recession, an angry conservative movement that regards him with disdain, and a disillusioned liberal base disappointed in his first term, Barack Obama’s bid for reelection next year will, by all indications, be a tough, maybe even uphill fight.

    Ya think??? I can’t wait to read what liberal spaghetti bowl the author spoons out describing how our HNP will win.
    Ahhh. Obama is SuperTruman.

    The alternative is not for the president to abandon negotiation or make his own set of non-negotiable demands, but to channel his inner Harry Truman. That means first redefining the terms of debate, framing a narrative across the country by both decrying the bickering and describing the consequences for voters everywhere if the Republican Congress has its way—what the budget cuts in the House budget would mean for medical research, how people with serious disabilities would be forced onto the streets, Medicaid patients unable to get organ transplants, and so on. The president’s domestic policy achievements from his first two years were not received enthusiastically by voters, and the record this year is dismal, but he can take a chapter from Truman’s playbook by describing in detail the many pressing issues facing the country, which the 112th House, and the Republican minority in the Senate, have refused to address.

    In other words, bust out the Alinsky playbook again. Lie through your teeth. Scare the bejeebers out of the disabled and elderly with those lies while ignoring your own abysmal record.

  98. Hamous Avatar

    Govt waste. If they VSRs in DC can’t stop this they really all should be fired.

  99. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Govt waste. If they VSRs in DC can’t stop this they really all should be fired.

  100. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #48 Done.

  101. Katfish Avatar

    #57 bone
    The only way the American public will use dollar coins is if dollar bills go away, which is what Canada has with the Loonie (C$1 – has a loon on it) and the Toonie (C$2). The Mint makes them because Congress passed a law requiring them to.

  102. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #57 bone
    The only way the American public will use dollar coins is if dollar bills go away, which is what Canada has with the Loonie (C$1 – has a loon on it) and the Toonie (C$2). The Mint makes them because Congress passed a law requiring them to.

  103. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Does the Toonie have two loons?

  104. Hamous Avatar

    Does the Toonie have two loons?

  105. Hamous Avatar

    #59 Pyro: Congress can pass the following legislation to fix the problem:
    Re: The presidential coin act: Effective immediately upon signature of the POTUS production of the presidential coins shall cease.
    That could have been done 6 months ago and saved $60 billion or so plus storage/transportation costs.
    They could do it tomorrow and stop the bleeding of that paper cut and no one would notice.
    I don’t give a fat VSR if congress passed a law authorizing it they can just pass another one killing it and that is what they should do RIGHT WISSIN NOW!

  106. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #59 Pyro: Congress can pass the following legislation to fix the problem:
    Re: The presidential coin act: Effective immediately upon signature of the POTUS production of the presidential coins shall cease.
    That could have been done 6 months ago and saved $60 billion or so plus storage/transportation costs.
    They could do it tomorrow and stop the bleeding of that paper cut and no one would notice.
    I don’t give a fat VSR if congress passed a law authorizing it they can just pass another one killing it and that is what they should do RIGHT WISSIN NOW!

  107. Katfish Avatar

    #60 hamous
    Polar bear

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #60 hamous
    Polar bear

  109. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Lurker
    Please bring your armadillo box and duct tape to my house. A new dillo has showed up.
    I figured I’d invite Cbr and ST over to to drink beer and watch.
    I’ll have the .410 ready as a backup.

  110. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Lurker
    Please bring your armadillo box and duct tape to my house. A new dillo has showed up.
    I figured I’d invite Cbr and ST over to to drink beer and watch.
    I’ll have the .410 ready as a backup.

  111. Katfish Avatar

    #61 bone
    Better yet, stop printing dollar bills.

  112. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #61 bone
    Better yet, stop printing dollar bills.

  113. Hamous Avatar

    One of O’s favorites is filing Ch 11.

    Evergreen Solar Inc., the Massachusetts clean-energy company that received millions in state subsidies from the Patrick administration for an ill-fated Bay State factory, has filed for bankruptcy, listing $485.6 million in debt.

    Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March and cut 800 jobs, has been trying to rework its debt for months. The cash-strapped company announced today has sought a reorganization in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware and reached a deal with certain note holders to restructure its debt and auction off assets.

    So even with the State of Taxachussets kicking in money on top of Federal govt subsidies, this green technology can’t make it in the market place. Why the wiss are we still financing this crap?

  114. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    One of O’s favorites is filing Ch 11.

    Evergreen Solar Inc., the Massachusetts clean-energy company that received millions in state subsidies from the Patrick administration for an ill-fated Bay State factory, has filed for bankruptcy, listing $485.6 million in debt.
    Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March and cut 800 jobs, has been trying to rework its debt for months. The cash-strapped company announced today has sought a reorganization in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware and reached a deal with certain note holders to restructure its debt and auction off assets.

    So even with the State of Taxachussets kicking in money on top of Federal govt subsidies, this green technology can’t make it in the market place. Why the wiss are we still financing this crap?

  115. Hamous Avatar

    #64 Pyro:

    Better yet, stop printing dollar bills.

    I’m all for that, the coins may be more expensive to produce but they last a whole lot longer. Stop one or t’other right now and stop the foolish waste of tax dollars.

  116. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #64 Pyro:

    Better yet, stop printing dollar bills.

    I’m all for that, the coins may be more expensive to produce but they last a whole lot longer. Stop one or t’other right now and stop the foolish waste of tax dollars.

  117. Katfish Avatar

    #63 shannon
    Heck, just tell ST there’s a pot of stew on the hoof in your yard. She’ll be right over.

  118. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #63 shannon
    Heck, just tell ST there’s a pot of stew on the hoof in your yard. She’ll be right over.

  119. timdenchanter Avatar
    timdenchanter

    #67 wb:

    Isn’t that ‘possum on the half shell?

  120. timdenchanter Avatar
    timdenchanter

    #67 wb:
    Isn’t that ‘possum on the half shell?

  121. Katfish Avatar

    Depends on how young it is. Those big ones are only good for stewin’.

  122. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Depends on how young it is. Those big ones are only good for stewin’.

  123. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bones 53,54,55
    Thanks for sharing your emails!

  124. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bones 53,54,55
    Thanks for sharing your emails!

  125. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    63 Shannon

    I’ll be over after I git off at midnight long wid my trusty .410 also to back up your nite blindness. Invite out to ST, stew be cookin’ when ya git there darlin.

  126. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    63 Shannon
    I’ll be over after I git off at midnight long wid my trusty .410 also to back up your nite blindness. Invite out to ST, stew be cookin’ when ya git there darlin.

  127. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    OMG – this makes my blood BOIL

    From one of the bike boards I’m on………..

    Last Weds, 2 on duty police officers from Aurora, CO PD drove to South Dakota to attend service for fallen officer.

    They were both drinking in the marked Aurora PD patrol car and driving erractically. Throwing their empties out the window. Almost took out a few motorcyclists. Used their lights to pass cars.

    A volunteer fire fighter in Wyoming called 911 on them after witnessing their mayhem. Wyoming sheriffs pulled them over the the driver got DUI out it. Passenger got littering ticket.

    I suspect Aurora PD let him retire full bennies.

    Officer retires in wake of DWI arrest

  128. Katfish Avatar

    OMG – this makes my blood BOIL
    From one of the bike boards I’m on………..

    Last Weds, 2 on duty police officers from Aurora, CO PD drove to South Dakota to attend service for fallen officer.
    They were both drinking in the marked Aurora PD patrol car and driving erractically. Throwing their empties out the window. Almost took out a few motorcyclists. Used their lights to pass cars.

    A volunteer fire fighter in Wyoming called 911 on them after witnessing their mayhem. Wyoming sheriffs pulled them over the the driver got DUI out it. Passenger got littering ticket.
    I suspect Aurora PD let him retire full bennies.

    Officer retires in wake of DWI arrest

  129. Hamous Avatar

    More evidence that PF is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of his zone of competence.

    The country’s automakers should ditch their focus on SUVs and trucks in favor of smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, President Obama said Monday.

    “You can’t just make money on SUVs and trucks,” Obama said during a town hall forum in Cannon Falls, Minn. “There is a place for SUVs and trucks, but as gas prices keep on going up, you have got to understand the market. People are going to try to save money.”

    To PF:
    Ifn small cars is what the people wanted or needed then people would choose to buy the smaller cars because they are wissin readily available. The people don’t freaking want the smaller cars you wissin moron! That’s why they don’t buy them, they don’t fit the lifestyle. You, PF, do not understand the market ya wissin idjit.

  130. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    More evidence that PF is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of his zone of competence.

    The country’s automakers should ditch their focus on SUVs and trucks in favor of smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, President Obama said Monday.
    “You can’t just make money on SUVs and trucks,” Obama said during a town hall forum in Cannon Falls, Minn. “There is a place for SUVs and trucks, but as gas prices keep on going up, you have got to understand the market. People are going to try to save money.”

    To PF:
    Ifn small cars is what the people wanted or needed then people would choose to buy the smaller cars because they are wissin readily available. The people don’t freaking want the smaller cars you wissin moron! That’s why they don’t buy them, they don’t fit the lifestyle. You, PF, do not understand the market ya wissin idjit.

  131. Hamous Avatar

    Signing off for the evening, y’all keep it clean whilst I’m gone.

  132. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Signing off for the evening, y’all keep it clean whilst I’m gone.

  133. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #45 Bones

    Because they have never developed their creative/intellectual side all they have left to discuss are sex, bodily functions and physical attributes.

    Some one said on the radio today that conservatives messed up 50 years ago when they let the unions take over public education. They/We just gave up and by default let most of the kids in the US get those increasingly crappy public school educations. Now look where we are.

  134. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #45 Bones

    Because they have never developed their creative/intellectual side all they have left to discuss are sex, bodily functions and physical attributes.

    Some one said on the radio today that conservatives messed up 50 years ago when they let the unions take over public education. They/We just gave up and by default let most of the kids in the US get those increasingly crappy public school educations. Now look where we are.

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