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Wednesday Gun Day Open Comments

From one of my favorite blog sites, BigGovernment.com, it seems that the pen recording is mightier than the sword gun:

On a mild February afternoon, Fiorino, 25, decided to walk to an AutoZone on Frankford Avenue in Northeast Philly with the .40-caliber Glock he legally owns holstered in plain view on his left hip. His stroll ended when someone called out from behind: “Yo, Junior, what are you doing?”
Fiorino wheeled and saw Sgt. Michael Dougherty aiming a handgun at him.
What happened next would be hard to believe, except that Fiorino audio-recorded all of it: a tense, profanity-laced, 40-minute encounter with cops who told him that what he was doing – openly carrying a gun on the city’s streets – was against the law.
“Do you know you can’t openly carry here in Philadelphia?” Dougherty asked, according to the YouTube clip.
“Yes, you can, if you have a license to carry firearms,” Fiorino said. “It’s Directive 137. It’s your own internal directive.”

The story continues with the cops using language that would make Hammy’s grandma blush (especially after finding the audio recorder) while trying to figure out what to do next.  What they ended up doing was letting their “perp” go, but he would be charged with “reckless endangerment” and “disorderly conduct”.
Now, the only reckless endangerment that I see here is a cop ignorant of his state’s own gun laws (now supposedly rectified) whipping HIS gun out against a man who was doing nothing more harmful than walking casually around, exposing himself his gun to the public.  Smart?  Maybe not.  Legal?  Where he lived, yes. Was he inviting trouble?  Yes.  Was he inviting trouble on purpose?  Possibly.  I mean, who walks around with a gun on his hip AND has an a recording device actively running? From the comments section:

the ‘red flag’ is the open carry of a sidearm in Philadelphia…
The cops there earn their livings; some tough districts. This ain’t Arizona or Nevada where that sight has never gone away. They have a tough gig there. Now, we’re not condoning their action AT ALL. And the man- if you want to call him ‘victim’ that’s fine- acted calmly and taped the whole interlude.
Which then made it seem like a trap.

I believe in our Second Amendment rights.  I believe ownership of guns is not only for self defense and sport shooting, but also to keep our government at bay. What idiot wants to take on a nation of gun-toting, angry citizenry with the purpose of holding onto their freedom?  Even the most sophisticated army would have problems with that scenario.  Of course, liberals think guns are evil and should be taken away.  (Yeah, well, that feeling’s mutual.)  They believe that we should entrust our safety, our well-being, our peace of mind, and the minds of our children to their big government nanny state.  I think their image of a great nation is a bunch of fat cattle, sitting around peacefully, chewing cud and mooing “Kumbaya” together while they wait for the farmer to arrive with the next bale of hay.  They wait for the farmer because obviously going and getting their own graze on would be too difficult.
One interesting comment was made:

The cops are in a bind on this whole issue…
In the late 1800’s the Supreme Court weighed in with the duty of the police to ‘protect and serve’. It ws ruled that they are PEACE officers; their duty is not to protect but to preserve the peace. The duty of protection then would fall into the hands of the person. Of course, people routinely carried firearms for protection back then.
So now you have a conundrum.
The courts have ruled the 2nd Amendment an INDIVIDUAL right (take THAT, lefties) and two recent decisions have ruled the right to carry is a Constitutional right- with caveats, of course. This is where the rubber hits the road- and where local law enforcement is faced with a myriad of laws and regulations that routinely contradict each other.
East Coast law enforcement is NOT used to seeing guns on people’s hips. The unfortunate suspect, although in his legal rights correct, waved a red flag and hacked off the cops, who will try to make his life miserable. Until there is a nationwide recognition of ‘right to carry’ laws this will happen again…

By now, I believe the police have learned what gun laws exist and their appropriate responses.  Perhaps they will restrain themselves instead of taking on someone with a recording device.  Of course, they probably don’t want to mess with this gun toter!  God bless ‘er!
 

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82 responses to “Wednesday Gun Day Open Comments”

  1. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    I believe ownership of guns is not only for self defense and sport shooting, but also to keep our government at bay.

    Keeping our government at bay is the most important aspect of private gun ownership as far as I’m concerned. Most of them are no better than the thugs who rob C-stores; they just happen to have the force of government behind them to prevent prosecution for their misdeeds. In a just world, people like Bernanke and Geitner would be in prison cells, rotting their miserable lives away.

  2. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    I believe ownership of guns is not only for self defense and sport shooting, but also to keep our government at bay.

    Keeping our government at bay is the most important aspect of private gun ownership as far as I’m concerned. Most of them are no better than the thugs who rob C-stores; they just happen to have the force of government behind them to prevent prosecution for their misdeeds. In a just world, people like Bernanke and Geitner would be in prison cells, rotting their miserable lives away.

  3. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    This is a tough one.

    On the one hand, I am reminded of something Bobo brought us about a couple of guys driving around the country intentionally inciting cops in order to get a desired reaction and record it on video. I don’t recall all the details, but it seemed wrong. Perhaps it was the details and not the freedom concept behind it that made me feel that way.

    I’m also a huge Gun Rights guy, but I am uncomfortable with “open carry” advocates and practitioners. While there is nothing inherently wrong with open carry, it seems a bit too provacative to me—too “in your face” to serve Gun Rights advocacy well.

    That, and I do realize that every Freedom has limitations where it might conflict with those of others. The recent discussion about the rights of property owners versus those of gun owners (and whether your right of domicile extends to your automobile) is a case in point. So, I guess the question here is whether carrying a weapon openly infringes on anyone else’s rights. I’d fall on the side of saying that my gun presents no threat to you, even if you think it does. I guess you could say that I support the right to Open Carry, but frown on the practice.

    The other thing involved is something that was mentioned in the comments:

    So is this guy considered a citizen journalist? Good job on his part making those guys look super stupid. Haha he cited the directive to them! Freaking classic!

    The tone of the comment notwithstanding, Citizen Journalism has become a big part of the grass roots Conservative movement to counter the bias of the Dinosaur Media. The guy did cause a desirable outcome, but I do suspect it has more to do with what this commenter said:

    No.
    I disagree.

    “There was one bright note from the whole exchange: “The Police Department is trying to make sure none of its officers are ever again caught not knowing basic gun laws.”

    The true reality is,the police department is trying to make sure none of its officers are ever again caught in a bind, with a smart kid who knows the law, with a cassette recorder.

    That is more like the truth.

    I support both of the controversial things the guy did, I’m just a bit uncomfortable about them in this instance. The problem is, other people’s freedoms shouldn’t be based on what makes us uncomfortable.

    Like I said, its a tough one.

  4. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    This is a tough one.
    On the one hand, I am reminded of something Bobo brought us about a couple of guys driving around the country intentionally inciting cops in order to get a desired reaction and record it on video. I don’t recall all the details, but it seemed wrong. Perhaps it was the details and not the freedom concept behind it that made me feel that way.
    I’m also a huge Gun Rights guy, but I am uncomfortable with “open carry” advocates and practitioners. While there is nothing inherently wrong with open carry, it seems a bit too provacative to me—too “in your face” to serve Gun Rights advocacy well.
    That, and I do realize that every Freedom has limitations where it might conflict with those of others. The recent discussion about the rights of property owners versus those of gun owners (and whether your right of domicile extends to your automobile) is a case in point. So, I guess the question here is whether carrying a weapon openly infringes on anyone else’s rights. I’d fall on the side of saying that my gun presents no threat to you, even if you think it does. I guess you could say that I support the right to Open Carry, but frown on the practice.
    The other thing involved is something that was mentioned in the comments:

    So is this guy considered a citizen journalist? Good job on his part making those guys look super stupid. Haha he cited the directive to them! Freaking classic!

    The tone of the comment notwithstanding, Citizen Journalism has become a big part of the grass roots Conservative movement to counter the bias of the Dinosaur Media. The guy did cause a desirable outcome, but I do suspect it has more to do with what this commenter said:

    No.
    I disagree.

    “There was one bright note from the whole exchange: “The Police Department is trying to make sure none of its officers are ever again caught not knowing basic gun laws.”

    The true reality is,the police department is trying to make sure none of its officers are ever again caught in a bind, with a smart kid who knows the law, with a cassette recorder.
    That is more like the truth.

    I support both of the controversial things the guy did, I’m just a bit uncomfortable about them in this instance. The problem is, other people’s freedoms shouldn’t be based on what makes us uncomfortable.
    Like I said, its a tough one.

  5. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Yo Bob, we got your candidate; Willie Nelson endorses Gary Johnson.

    Johnson, the first presidential candidate the group has endorsed, got the nod from the Teapoters because of his views on legalizing marijuana.

    The former governor of New Mexico, who previously admitted to smoking pot for medicinal purposes, supported legalizing the drug when he was governor. Since he’s been out of office, he has continued to speak out for marijuana reform. Johnson said, “I advocate legalizing marijuana – control it, regulate, tax it” during the Republican debate on May 5 in South Carolina.

    Mornin’ Gang

  6. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Yo Bob, we got your candidate; Willie Nelson endorses Gary Johnson.

    Johnson, the first presidential candidate the group has endorsed, got the nod from the Teapoters because of his views on legalizing marijuana.
    The former governor of New Mexico, who previously admitted to smoking pot for medicinal purposes, supported legalizing the drug when he was governor. Since he’s been out of office, he has continued to speak out for marijuana reform. Johnson said, “I advocate legalizing marijuana – control it, regulate, tax it” during the Republican debate on May 5 in South Carolina.

    Mornin’ Gang

  7. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TT Last night

    irrigation or “garden” meters

    I am aware of that option, but I have heard you need to have an estate-sized lawn to recoup the cost of running 2 meters. It was looked into several years ago for our HOA rec area, but was deemed too expensive. I don’t know the details.

  8. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TT Last night

    irrigation or “garden” meters

    I am aware of that option, but I have heard you need to have an estate-sized lawn to recoup the cost of running 2 meters. It was looked into several years ago for our HOA rec area, but was deemed too expensive. I don’t know the details.

  9. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    ‘Bout guns; “The Second Amendment is NOT about duck hunting.” FWIW; I like what the guy did, it’s getting to the point that some of the Cops think that they ARE the law and can make up laws as they go, (they can BTW), I always told ,my kids when that flashing light comes on their right s go out the window because they’re at the mercy of the officier that stopped them. That said, most cops try to do the right thing under difficult circumstances.
    Also I don’t like CCW laws because I feel that I have the Constitutional and God given right to carry a weapon but being law abiding, I try to obey all laws even if they’re unconstitutional, (see above) .

  10. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    ‘Bout guns; “The Second Amendment is NOT about duck hunting.” FWIW; I like what the guy did, it’s getting to the point that some of the Cops think that they ARE the law and can make up laws as they go, (they can BTW), I always told ,my kids when that flashing light comes on their right s go out the window because they’re at the mercy of the officier that stopped them. That said, most cops try to do the right thing under difficult circumstances.
    Also I don’t like CCW laws because I feel that I have the Constitutional and God given right to carry a weapon but being law abiding, I try to obey all laws even if they’re unconstitutional, (see above) .

  11. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    IWHarper69 is a tranny?

    Who knew?

    I need to introduce him/her to HeadShaker. They would make a great pair.

  12. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    IWHarper69 is a tranny?
    Who knew?
    I need to introduce him/her to HeadShaker. They would make a great pair.

  13. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #4 mharper

    You’ll just need to crunch the numbers to see if the payback period is acceptable. With the cost of water going up, it might not be as bad as you think. Costs keep going up, though, with copper rates rising. An irrigation meter shouldn’t be too bad, though – not much copper used in those. Not like running 60 feet under a street, anyway. 😉

  14. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #4 mharper
    You’ll just need to crunch the numbers to see if the payback period is acceptable. With the cost of water going up, it might not be as bad as you think. Costs keep going up, though, with copper rates rising. An irrigation meter shouldn’t be too bad, though – not much copper used in those. Not like running 60 feet under a street, anyway. 😉

  15. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #6 Larry666

    See what I mean, Tim?

  16. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #6 Larry666
    See what I mean, Tim?

  17. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Can you say Idiot?

    The motivation is political — a cynical effort to restrict voting by traditionally Democratic-leaning Americans. In more than 30 states, GOP legislators are on the move, from a sweeping rewrite of Florida’s election laws to new rules for photo identification in Ohio, Wisconsin, North Carolina and more than 20 other states.
    As a result, 11% of Americans —21 million citizens of voting age who lack proper photo identification — could be turned away on Election Day. And these people tend to be most highly concentrated among people of color, the poor, the young and the old.

    Spits~

  18. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Can you say Idiot?

    The motivation is political — a cynical effort to restrict voting by traditionally Democratic-leaning Americans. In more than 30 states, GOP legislators are on the move, from a sweeping rewrite of Florida’s election laws to new rules for photo identification in Ohio, Wisconsin, North Carolina and more than 20 other states.
    As a result, 11% of Americans —21 million citizens of voting age who lack proper photo identification — could be turned away on Election Day. And these people tend to be most highly concentrated among people of color, the poor, the young and the old.

    Spits~

  19. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    😛

  20. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    😛

  21. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #9 SuperDave

    I don’t know what they’re complaining about. They can probably figure out a way of cheating on the voting anyway. Also, from that article:

    In the largest disconnect from their campaign rhetoric, Republicans ignore the high cost of these laws. In the four years since Indiana passed the nation’s first such requirement, it has spent more than $10 million to provide free state ID cards. The Institute for Southern Studies estimated that a similar ID law in North Carolina would cost $18 million to $25 million over three years — money that could be used to keep cops on the street or teachers in the classroom.

    Of course, they don’t count the cost of electing frauds into office, do they? And since when do Democrats worry about spending public money?

  22. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #9 SuperDave
    I don’t know what they’re complaining about. They can probably figure out a way of cheating on the voting anyway. Also, from that article:

    In the largest disconnect from their campaign rhetoric, Republicans ignore the high cost of these laws. In the four years since Indiana passed the nation’s first such requirement, it has spent more than $10 million to provide free state ID cards. The Institute for Southern Studies estimated that a similar ID law in North Carolina would cost $18 million to $25 million over three years — money that could be used to keep cops on the street or teachers in the classroom.

    Of course, they don’t count the cost of electing frauds into office, do they? And since when do Democrats worry about spending public money?

  23. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I am in favor of what the citizen journalist did. I did not listen to the tape, but from the report, he was polite and could cite “chapter and verse” of the law in question. The craps cops, in this case were nothing more than jack booted thugs. I do not like the permitting process because that implies that I need permission to be able to exercise my constitutional rights. I am in favor of open and/or concealed carry nationwide for all non felons and non-mentally ill.

  24. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    I am in favor of what the citizen journalist did. I did not listen to the tape, but from the report, he was polite and could cite “chapter and verse” of the law in question. The craps cops, in this case were nothing more than jack booted thugs. I do not like the permitting process because that implies that I need permission to be able to exercise my constitutional rights. I am in favor of open and/or concealed carry nationwide for all non felons and non-mentally ill.

  25. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    Come on IW, you set that response up yesterday.

    I won’t tease you anymore if you’re that thin-skinned!

  26. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Come on IW, you set that response up yesterday.
    I won’t tease you anymore if you’re that thin-skinned!

  27. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning all

    Here’s an appeals judge with his head screwed on straight.

    “Some people think that the Second Amendment is an outdated relic of an earlier time. Doubtless some also think that constitutional protections of other rights are outdated relics of earlier times. We The People own those rights regardless, unless and until We The People repeal them. For those who believe it to be outdated, the Second Amendment provides a good test of whether their allegiance is really to the Constitution of the United States, or only to their preferences in public policies and audiences. The Constitution is law, not vague aspirations, and we are obligated to protect, defend, and apply it. If the Second Amendment were truly an outdated relic, the Constitution provides a method for repeal. The Constitution does not furnish the federal courts with an eraser.” –9th Circuit Court Judge Andrew Kleinfeld, dissenting opinion in which the court refused to rehear the case while citing deeply flawed anti-Second Amendment nonsense (Nordyke v. King; opinion filed April 5, 2004)

  28. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all
    Here’s an appeals judge with his head screwed on straight.

    “Some people think that the Second Amendment is an outdated relic of an earlier time. Doubtless some also think that constitutional protections of other rights are outdated relics of earlier times. We The People own those rights regardless, unless and until We The People repeal them. For those who believe it to be outdated, the Second Amendment provides a good test of whether their allegiance is really to the Constitution of the United States, or only to their preferences in public policies and audiences. The Constitution is law, not vague aspirations, and we are obligated to protect, defend, and apply it. If the Second Amendment were truly an outdated relic, the Constitution provides a method for repeal. The Constitution does not furnish the federal courts with an eraser.” –9th Circuit Court Judge Andrew Kleinfeld, dissenting opinion in which the court refused to rehear the case while citing deeply flawed anti-Second Amendment nonsense (Nordyke v. King; opinion filed April 5, 2004)

  29. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    And remember kiddies,

    “Guns don’t kill people, husbands who come home early kill people.”

  30. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    And remember kiddies,
    “Guns don’t kill people, husbands who come home early kill people.”

  31. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Passed on from one of my cronies

    How to secure the airspace and make the airlines profitable again:

    Dump the male flight attendants. No one wanted them in the first place.

    Replace all the female flight attendants with good-looking strippers! They don’t even serve food anymore, so what’s the loss?

    The strippers would at least triple the alcohol sales and get a ‘party atmosphere’ going in the cabin. And, of course, every businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked women.

    Because of the tips, female flight attendants wouldn’t need a salary, thus saving even more money. I suspect tips would be so good that we could charge the women for working the plane and have them kick back 20% of the tips, including lap dances and ‘special services.’

    Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt, and the airline industry would see record revenues.

  32. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Passed on from one of my cronies
    How to secure the airspace and make the airlines profitable again:
    Dump the male flight attendants. No one wanted them in the first place.
    Replace all the female flight attendants with good-looking strippers! They don’t even serve food anymore, so what’s the loss?
    The strippers would at least triple the alcohol sales and get a ‘party atmosphere’ going in the cabin. And, of course, every businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked women.
    Because of the tips, female flight attendants wouldn’t need a salary, thus saving even more money. I suspect tips would be so good that we could charge the women for working the plane and have them kick back 20% of the tips, including lap dances and ‘special services.’
    Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt, and the airline industry would see record revenues.

  33. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #16 olt

    Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women.

    I wouldn’t hold them to that. We could at least point out their hypocrisy/impurity as they blow us up.

  34. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #16 olt

    Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women.

    I wouldn’t hold them to that. We could at least point out their hypocrisy/impurity as they blow us up.

  35. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Also I don’t like CCW laws because I feel that I have the Constitutional and God given right to carry a weapon but being law abiding, I try to obey all laws even if they’re unconstitutional, (see above) .

    I’m with you on that. I’d support any law, regulation, or ordnance that reaffirms the right of all individuals, except those convicted of a crime or adjudicated mentally unstable, to carry whatever means of self protection the desire. I would prefer that such would be concealed, however. I really don’t think it useful or wise for folks to carry openly, although there are no laws against open carry of cross bows, axes, hammers, and chain saws (but there is a limitation on the length of blade on a knife one openly carries—–ask me how I found that out). I also don’t think it is safe in most urban pedestrian environments. The likelihood of it being snatched away from someone not fully versed (or even marginally versed) in measures and equipment designed to prevent that kind of thing ius relatively high IMHO.

    I am in favor of what the citizen journalist did. I did not listen to the tape, but from the report, he was polite and could cite “chapter and verse” of the law in question. The craps cops, in this case were nothing more than jack booted thugs. I do not like the permitting process because that implies that I need permission to be able to exercise my constitutional rights. I am in favor of open and/or concealed carry nationwide for all non felons and non-mentally ill.

    In principal, I am too. But the guys in the videos Bobo linked to could cite “chapter and verse” as well, and i think most of us ended up saying that they were in the wrong.

    As far as permitting goes, most of our rights are limited in some fashion or another, mainly to insure that our exercise of our rights do not conflict with those of another. We can’t have a parade without a permit. We can’t have a large gathering of people on public property without a permit. Parade permits are required so that paraders don’t violate the rights of others to freely move about a city. Permits for large gatherings are intended to insure that the producers have taken adequate and prudent measures to insure the health and safety of the attendees.

    I do think it wise to have licensing for the purpose of Concealed Carry to make sure that those who are moving about us with concealed weapons have been screened to insure that they are not criminals or mental defectives, and I do like the idea of requiring familiarization and competency training, as these indidivuals are going to be those most likley to use the weapon for self defense, or the defense of others, outside of thier domicile. If you choose to incompetently defend yourself inside you own home, that’s your business—if you do it in the streets, its everybody’s business.

  36. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Also I don’t like CCW laws because I feel that I have the Constitutional and God given right to carry a weapon but being law abiding, I try to obey all laws even if they’re unconstitutional, (see above) .

    I’m with you on that. I’d support any law, regulation, or ordnance that reaffirms the right of all individuals, except those convicted of a crime or adjudicated mentally unstable, to carry whatever means of self protection the desire. I would prefer that such would be concealed, however. I really don’t think it useful or wise for folks to carry openly, although there are no laws against open carry of cross bows, axes, hammers, and chain saws (but there is a limitation on the length of blade on a knife one openly carries—–ask me how I found that out). I also don’t think it is safe in most urban pedestrian environments. The likelihood of it being snatched away from someone not fully versed (or even marginally versed) in measures and equipment designed to prevent that kind of thing ius relatively high IMHO.

    I am in favor of what the citizen journalist did. I did not listen to the tape, but from the report, he was polite and could cite “chapter and verse” of the law in question. The craps cops, in this case were nothing more than jack booted thugs. I do not like the permitting process because that implies that I need permission to be able to exercise my constitutional rights. I am in favor of open and/or concealed carry nationwide for all non felons and non-mentally ill.

    In principal, I am too. But the guys in the videos Bobo linked to could cite “chapter and verse” as well, and i think most of us ended up saying that they were in the wrong.
    As far as permitting goes, most of our rights are limited in some fashion or another, mainly to insure that our exercise of our rights do not conflict with those of another. We can’t have a parade without a permit. We can’t have a large gathering of people on public property without a permit. Parade permits are required so that paraders don’t violate the rights of others to freely move about a city. Permits for large gatherings are intended to insure that the producers have taken adequate and prudent measures to insure the health and safety of the attendees.
    I do think it wise to have licensing for the purpose of Concealed Carry to make sure that those who are moving about us with concealed weapons have been screened to insure that they are not criminals or mental defectives, and I do like the idea of requiring familiarization and competency training, as these indidivuals are going to be those most likley to use the weapon for self defense, or the defense of others, outside of thier domicile. If you choose to incompetently defend yourself inside you own home, that’s your business—if you do it in the streets, its everybody’s business.

  37. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK Under the heading of “You can’t make this $#i!! up.”

    Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican and the Senate’s top waste-watcher, asked the agency’s inspector general to look into 30-year-old Stanley Thornton Jr. and his roommate, Sandra Dias, who acts as his “mother,” saying it’s not clear why they are collecting Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits instead of working.

    “Given that Mr. Thornton is able to determine what is appropriate attire and actions in public, drive himself to complete errands, design and custom-make baby furniture to support a 350-pound adult and run an Internet support group, it is possible that he has been improperly collecting disability benefits for a period of time,” Mr. Coburn wrote in a letter Monday to Inspector General Patrick P. O’Carroll Jr.

    This is sooo disgusting on many different levels.

  38. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK Under the heading of “You can’t make this $#i!! up.”

    Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican and the Senate’s top waste-watcher, asked the agency’s inspector general to look into 30-year-old Stanley Thornton Jr. and his roommate, Sandra Dias, who acts as his “mother,” saying it’s not clear why they are collecting Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits instead of working.
    “Given that Mr. Thornton is able to determine what is appropriate attire and actions in public, drive himself to complete errands, design and custom-make baby furniture to support a 350-pound adult and run an Internet support group, it is possible that he has been improperly collecting disability benefits for a period of time,” Mr. Coburn wrote in a letter Monday to Inspector General Patrick P. O’Carroll Jr.

    This is sooo disgusting on many different levels.

  39. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Coburn is doing some other good stuff, too.

    “I don’t see that there’s going to be any fruition in continuing them at this time.”

  40. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Coburn is doing some other good stuff, too.

    “I don’t see that there’s going to be any fruition in continuing them at this time.”

  41. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Dang—

    This has got to be the worst part of that story, Dave:

    “You wanna test how damn serious I am about leaving this world, screw with my check that pays for this apartment and food. Try it. See how serious I am. I don’t care,” the California man said. “I have no problem killing myself. Take away the last thing keeping me here, and see what happens. Next time you see me on the news, it will be me in a body bag.”

    He’s blackmailing us with his suicide.

    He may not be disabled, but he certainly is unhinged. I think for his own safety, he should be institutionalized.

  42. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Dang—
    This has got to be the worst part of that story, Dave:

    “You wanna test how damn serious I am about leaving this world, screw with my check that pays for this apartment and food. Try it. See how serious I am. I don’t care,” the California man said. “I have no problem killing myself. Take away the last thing keeping me here, and see what happens. Next time you see me on the news, it will be me in a body bag.”

    He’s blackmailing us with his suicide.
    He may not be disabled, but he certainly is unhinged. I think for his own safety, he should be institutionalized.

  43. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Wait,…There’s more; Police: Drunk ice cream man froze urine. ….OK

  44. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Wait,…There’s more; Police: Drunk ice cream man froze urine. ….OK

  45. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Well here ya go

    Philippine city holds mass circumcision for youths

    Officials said the event — touted in a press statement as a “circumcision party” — aims to promote safe circumcision and to offer to poor residents free surgery that would otherwise cost at least $40 in private hospitals.
    (circumcised)
    The city also hopes to establish a world record for the number of people attending a mass circumcision.

    “We applied for the Guinness Book of World Records and we are recording everything so we can send all the data to them and hopefully it will be recognized,” Vice Mayor Jose Fabian Cadiz said.

    and in a story prolly more disturbing, is this story about teh sheeple in Los angles

    LAPD’s gun buyback event nets more than 2,000 weapons

    Weapons could be turned in anonymously, with no questions asked, in exchange for up $100 in gift certificates for handguns, shotguns and rifles and up to $200 for assault weapons.

    The buyback netted 953 handguns, 688 rifles, 330 shotguns and 91 assault-style rifles, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

    The initial buyback in 2009 collected 1,696 guns. The 2010 drive collected 2,511 weapons, including a grenade launcher. Unless found to be stolen, the weapons are destroyed.

  46. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Well here ya go
    Philippine city holds mass circumcision for youths

    Officials said the event — touted in a press statement as a “circumcision party” — aims to promote safe circumcision and to offer to poor residents free surgery that would otherwise cost at least $40 in private hospitals.
    (circumcised)
    The city also hopes to establish a world record for the number of people attending a mass circumcision.
    “We applied for the Guinness Book of World Records and we are recording everything so we can send all the data to them and hopefully it will be recognized,” Vice Mayor Jose Fabian Cadiz said.

    and in a story prolly more disturbing, is this story about teh sheeple in Los angles
    LAPD’s gun buyback event nets more than 2,000 weapons

    Weapons could be turned in anonymously, with no questions asked, in exchange for up $100 in gift certificates for handguns, shotguns and rifles and up to $200 for assault weapons.
    The buyback netted 953 handguns, 688 rifles, 330 shotguns and 91 assault-style rifles, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.
    The initial buyback in 2009 collected 1,696 guns. The 2010 drive collected 2,511 weapons, including a grenade launcher. Unless found to be stolen, the weapons are destroyed.

  47. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Say what? You gotta have a permit first?

    Bill allowing people to keep roadkill OK’d (in Illinois)

  48. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Say what? You gotta have a permit first?
    Bill allowing people to keep roadkill OK’d (in Illinois)

  49. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Oh thank goodness he was not wearing a speedo. He was under the influence of meth

    Officers responded to a call in the area of Beckman Road just north of Harney Lane where a man later identified as Batie was found standing in the dirt next to the cemetery with a flashlight, yelling in the dark.
    Police said that Batie was wearing an Oakland Raiders jacket, a g-string and a hair scrunchie around his genitals. He was also wearing socks.

    Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/27653871/detail.html#ixzz1MjWzrMaf

  50. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Oh thank goodness he was not wearing a speedo. He was under the influence of meth

    Officers responded to a call in the area of Beckman Road just north of Harney Lane where a man later identified as Batie was found standing in the dirt next to the cemetery with a flashlight, yelling in the dark.
    Police said that Batie was wearing an Oakland Raiders jacket, a g-string and a hair scrunchie around his genitals. He was also wearing socks.

    Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/27653871/detail.html#ixzz1MjWzrMaf

  51. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    The American Interest is the journal published by the American Enterprise Institute. They have created a new section of their website called The Long Recall, a daily journal in observance of the Sesquicentennial of the Civil War which began in the spring of 1861.

    They are posting daily events (with old, contemporary newspaper links) as they happened at the same time they occurred in 1861, 150 years ago. Their plan is to follow this through until the spring of 2015. If you are a history or Civil War buff, this is a pretty cool thing.

    The Long Recall

  52. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    The American Interest is the journal published by the American Enterprise Institute. They have created a new section of their website called The Long Recall, a daily journal in observance of the Sesquicentennial of the Civil War which began in the spring of 1861.
    They are posting daily events (with old, contemporary newspaper links) as they happened at the same time they occurred in 1861, 150 years ago. Their plan is to follow this through until the spring of 2015. If you are a history or Civil War buff, this is a pretty cool thing.
    The Long Recall

  53. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #21 sarge
    That reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where Cleavon Little takes himself hostage.

  54. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #21 sarge
    That reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where Cleavon Little takes himself hostage.

  55. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Pardon me, is that a hair scrunchy on your genitals?

  56. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Pardon me, is that a hair scrunchy on your genitals?

  57. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #23 squack
    I frontpaged that in my latest Florida update. I mentioned it because that Philippine city was trying to become the Florida of the Orient by having a mass trimming of the “little Floridas”.

  58. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #23 squack
    I frontpaged that in my latest Florida update. I mentioned it because that Philippine city was trying to become the Florida of the Orient by having a mass trimming of the “little Floridas”.

  59. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    He was keeping his little Florida warm with the scrunchie.

  60. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    He was keeping his little Florida warm with the scrunchie.

  61. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    #24. I’d bet a dollar to a doughnut hole that Apostle Southern Tragedy has been up in them parts lobbying for that road kill law.

  62. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    #24. I’d bet a dollar to a doughnut hole that Apostle Southern Tragedy has been up in them parts lobbying for that road kill law.

  63. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    On a serious note, I got a letter the other day from the beloved city of Houston detailing what they plan to confiscate from me under the guise of the drainage tax.

    I tried to log on to the recommended website http://www.rebuildhouston.org and had no luck.

    I read thru the letter and saw that they had noted that my property was drained via “open ditch”(not curb and gutter) and on another page in the letter I noted that one of the “Verifications and Corrections” was:

    “My residence is served by an open ditch and not by a curb and gutter drainage system.”

    Anybody know anything about this issue?

  64. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    On a serious note, I got a letter the other day from the beloved city of Houston detailing what they plan to confiscate from me under the guise of the drainage tax.
    I tried to log on to the recommended website http://www.rebuildhouston.org and had no luck.
    I read thru the letter and saw that they had noted that my property was drained via “open ditch”(not curb and gutter) and on another page in the letter I noted that one of the “Verifications and Corrections” was:
    “My residence is served by an open ditch and not by a curb and gutter drainage system.”
    Anybody know anything about this issue?

  65. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I just got mine yesterday and haven’t had time to study it. One thing I know for sure, I don’t have near the square footage of “impermeable” space they say I have.

  66. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I just got mine yesterday and haven’t had time to study it. One thing I know for sure, I don’t have near the square footage of “impermeable” space they say I have.

  67. meglettx Avatar
    meglettx

    #33. Hamnster, I just happened to have a plot plan of my lot and they are off 420sqft on a 5500sqft lot. Actually only makes about $13.44 difference annually.

    Nonetheless, I will be settin’ things a’ right.

    As I always say – “That’s $13.44 more than I have.”

  68. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    #33. Hamnster, I just happened to have a plot plan of my lot and they are off 420sqft on a 5500sqft lot. Actually only makes about $13.44 difference annually.
    Nonetheless, I will be settin’ things a’ right.
    As I always say – “That’s $13.44 more than I have.”

  69. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Hmmmm Maybe Bettencourt can offer service to fight for y’alls “impermeable” space corrections. At a nominal fee of course.

  70. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    Hmmmm Maybe Bettencourt can offer service to fight for y’alls “impermeable” space corrections. At a nominal fee of course.

  71. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension – a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You’ve just crossed over into the Luap Zone.

  72. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension – a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You’ve just crossed over into the Luap Zone.

  73. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    There aren’t enough jackasses here already?

  74. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    There aren’t enough jackasses here already?

  75. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    “There aren’t enough jackasses here already?”

    Of that type,nope. That critter is far more worth having here than the hordes of freeloaders wading across the Rio Porquito (not much Grande any mas) we are stuck with.

  76. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    “There aren’t enough jackasses here already?”
    Of that type,nope. That critter is far more worth having here than the hordes of freeloaders wading across the Rio Porquito (not much Grande any mas) we are stuck with.

  77. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    I went by Hillcroft just south of 59 last week. Jeez, how that place has changed. Matamoros back in the ’90s looked safer back then than southwest/outside loop areas do now. The 3rd ward is even looking better.

  78. gtotracker Avatar
    gtotracker

    I went by Hillcroft just south of 59 last week. Jeez, how that place has changed. Matamoros back in the ’90s looked safer back then than southwest/outside loop areas do now. The 3rd ward is even looking better.

  79. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Asked by Chris Wallace of Fox News about his insistence that “the federal government should stay out of people’s personal habits,” and his specific opposition to restrictions on cocaine, heroin, and prostitution, the candidate claimed that social conservatives would nonetheless vote for him “if they understand my defense of liberty is the defense of their right to practice their religion and say their prayers where they want to practice their life. But if you do not protect liberty across the board it’s the First Amendment-type issue… You know, it’s amazing that we want freedom to pick our future in a spiritual way but not when it comes to our personal habits.”

    In other words, as long we’re free to seek salvation in heaven, we must be free to enjoy drugs and hookers while we’re alive?

    This addle-brained attempt to equate religious freedom with liberty to pursue profit as pimps or pushers counts as daft rather than deft. As a preening “Constitutionalist,” Paul ought to understand that the First Amendment explicitly protects “free exercise” of religion but says nothing about a right to operate bordellos or market recreational drugs.

    Does Ron Paul seriously support legalizing heroin?

    Sometimes I wonder if Ron Paul’s on heroin.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ve often heard that legalizing hard drugs like heroin is a completely different issue than legalizing marijuana. Ummmm, no it isn’t.

  80. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Asked by Chris Wallace of Fox News about his insistence that “the federal government should stay out of people’s personal habits,” and his specific opposition to restrictions on cocaine, heroin, and prostitution, the candidate claimed that social conservatives would nonetheless vote for him “if they understand my defense of liberty is the defense of their right to practice their religion and say their prayers where they want to practice their life. But if you do not protect liberty across the board it’s the First Amendment-type issue… You know, it’s amazing that we want freedom to pick our future in a spiritual way but not when it comes to our personal habits.”
    In other words, as long we’re free to seek salvation in heaven, we must be free to enjoy drugs and hookers while we’re alive?
    This addle-brained attempt to equate religious freedom with liberty to pursue profit as pimps or pushers counts as daft rather than deft. As a preening “Constitutionalist,” Paul ought to understand that the First Amendment explicitly protects “free exercise” of religion but says nothing about a right to operate bordellos or market recreational drugs.

    Does Ron Paul seriously support legalizing heroin?
    Sometimes I wonder if Ron Paul’s on heroin.
    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ve often heard that legalizing hard drugs like heroin is a completely different issue than legalizing marijuana. Ummmm, no it isn’t.

  81. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #40 –

    Ummmm, no it isn’t.

    No I’m NOT Bob (and I aint stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in quite some time)……………………………….but I believe there is NO rational, logical, or factual means by which you can ground that assertion.

  82. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #40 –

    Ummmm, no it isn’t.

    No I’m NOT Bob (and I aint stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in quite some time)……………………………….but I believe there is NO rational, logical, or factual means by which you can ground that assertion.

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