Time to once again celebrate the hangy-downy state, the land of the Gators, the spawning ground of the wild hamousians.
First up, we have Mr. Jeffrey Eugene Alan “Hard as Life” Southwell, 38, of Gainesville. Our protagonist has been arrested for attempted murder of his girlfriend. That is not the noteworthy part. It seems that Mr. Southwell is somewhat of a tattoo enthusiast. See the picture at the link for where his “mob name” came from.
On a more positive note, we have an unnamed motorist who was intended to be the victim of a carjacking. Until (s)he decided that today was not the day to be a victim. Today was the day to make an inept carjacker a victim. I say well done!
Finally, we have Mr. Steve Drappel of West Palm Beach who is trying to be just like President Passion Fingers. Mr. Drappel observed PF’s behavior over the past few years and thought to himself, “I can do that!” What’s even better is, Mr. Drappel is a professional with access to the proper equipment, which he took advantage of.
Honorable mention goes to the Florida of Southeast Asia, the Philippines. The city of Marikina, just east of Manila, went for a world record for number of “little Floridas” given a trim in a local sports stadium.
Finally, the city of Victoria, B.C. needs to try a little harder. Their new tourist attraction doesn’t quite make it.
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After posting yesterday about the Make Joe Straus Even Richer Than He Already Is Bill being passed out of committee, I noticed that one of the names involved in this sordid episode was a bit familiar.
Beverely Wooley was the Committee Chair who got it to the floor of the house in the dead of night and without public announcement.
Late last night I heard from an inside source that Rep. Hamilton’s full-blown gambling bill (HJR 147 — video slot machines, casinos, gambling, and race tracks) had been dropped for lack of support; and instead, Rep. Beverly Woolley’s HJR 111 (video slot machines/video lottery terminals at race tracks and Indian reservations) is moving forward.
Why was the bill movement of Woolley’s HJR 111 not posted on the Texas Legislature Online? In fact, it still is not posted on the website (5.9.11, 9:12 A. M.); and this is Monday morning — two full days after the end of the legislative session on Friday. Is it a coincidence that the bill that will financially benefit the Speaker of the House the most just happens not to be visible online to the public?
This is the same Beverely Wooley whose endorsement put Joe Straus over the top for the race for Speaker.
This is a major endorsement. Tom Craddick still has a lot of friends on the floor, and Woolley, as Craddick’s chair of Calendars, was part of his inner circle. Woolley is currently vice-chair of the Tea Party Caucus, and her endorsement of Straus should put to rest the furor over whether he is a “true” conservative. The tea parties groups that are coming to Austin on January 11 to rally against Straus are wasting their time.
This endorsement was touted at the time as one that supposedly exposed opponents of Straus as loud mothed malcontents with hidden agendas who should STFU before they make the Tea Party look bad.
Now, at least, we know what Ol’ Bev had to do in order to turn her 8 term serving butt against the Tea Partiers she coopted to get the job.
We need to learn that Establishment Republicans can’t be trusted. The longer they have served in the Lege, the less we should embrace them.
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After posting yesterday about the Make Joe Straus Even Richer Than He Already Is Bill being passed out of committee, I noticed that one of the names involved in this sordid episode was a bit familiar.
Beverely Wooley was the Committee Chair who got it to the floor of the house in the dead of night and without public announcement.Late last night I heard from an inside source that Rep. Hamilton’s full-blown gambling bill (HJR 147 — video slot machines, casinos, gambling, and race tracks) had been dropped for lack of support; and instead, Rep. Beverly Woolley’s HJR 111 (video slot machines/video lottery terminals at race tracks and Indian reservations) is moving forward.
Why was the bill movement of Woolley’s HJR 111 not posted on the Texas Legislature Online? In fact, it still is not posted on the website (5.9.11, 9:12 A. M.); and this is Monday morning — two full days after the end of the legislative session on Friday. Is it a coincidence that the bill that will financially benefit the Speaker of the House the most just happens not to be visible online to the public?This is the same Beverely Wooley whose endorsement put Joe Straus over the top for the race for Speaker.
This is a major endorsement. Tom Craddick still has a lot of friends on the floor, and Woolley, as Craddick’s chair of Calendars, was part of his inner circle. Woolley is currently vice-chair of the Tea Party Caucus, and her endorsement of Straus should put to rest the furor over whether he is a “true” conservative. The tea parties groups that are coming to Austin on January 11 to rally against Straus are wasting their time.
This endorsement was touted at the time as one that supposedly exposed opponents of Straus as loud mothed malcontents with hidden agendas who should STFU before they make the Tea Party look bad.
Now, at least, we know what Ol’ Bev had to do in order to turn her 8 term serving butt against the Tea Partiers she coopted to get the job.
We need to learn that Establishment Republicans can’t be trusted. The longer they have served in the Lege, the less we should embrace them. -
Good morning Hamsters. Warmish 74 at 6, more humid than last week–groan–but not smothering. Overcast signifies nothing hopeful regarding rain–darn. Will be moving sprinklers around the yard again today. Trying not to be annoyed at the weather people who strive to find some small positive in the forecast–they don’t control the weather and are merely the messengers. But unfailingly messengers bearing bad news get the complaints.
#3 Sarge’s link is notable for its timing that overlaps The One’s El Paso campaign visit today. So it’s a donnybrook in the Texas House over the bill banning sanctuary cities–not surprising. And the lopsided vote is a significant message? 😉 The timing can’t be accidental when The One also visits Austin today to raid the ATM the city has been for the Democrats. And only a few blocks away from the Capitol…. Sweet. We don’t forget the eye pokes he’s taken at Texas.
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Good morning Hamsters. Warmish 74 at 6, more humid than last week–groan–but not smothering. Overcast signifies nothing hopeful regarding rain–darn. Will be moving sprinklers around the yard again today. Trying not to be annoyed at the weather people who strive to find some small positive in the forecast–they don’t control the weather and are merely the messengers. But unfailingly messengers bearing bad news get the complaints.
#3 Sarge’s link is notable for its timing that overlaps The One’s El Paso campaign visit today. So it’s a donnybrook in the Texas House over the bill banning sanctuary cities–not surprising. And the lopsided vote is a significant message? 😉 The timing can’t be accidental when The One also visits Austin today to raid the ATM the city has been for the Democrats. And only a few blocks away from the Capitol…. Sweet. We don’t forget the eye pokes he’s taken at Texas. -
Pyro: From your first linkie thingie, I found this link titled: 3 young women found naked, arrested.
The first of the comments says it all:sure, the story was good. But a picture is worth a thousand words
heh heh :>)
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Pyro: From your first linkie thingie, I found this link titled: 3 young women found naked, arrested.
The first of the comments says it all:sure, the story was good. But a picture is worth a thousand words
heh heh :>)
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Okay, I need some geek help. It seems that my employee has probably visited a website that dumped a virus on
herour business computer. She took it home last week so her cousin, who’s supposedly an IT guy, could look at it. He couldn’t find anything wrong, but told her to defrag. She said it froze up during the defrag. It’s been slow, slow, slow booting up, and she got the dreaded blue screen of death last week (that’s when we decided to take it home). Avast has been loaded onto it and updated, from what I heard, and no virus found. I’m thinking about bringing it up in safe mode and trying to use MalwareBytes on it.Any other suggestions? I believe it’s a Vista op system.
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Okay, I need some geek help. It seems that my employee has probably visited a website that dumped a virus on
herour business computer. She took it home last week so her cousin, who’s supposedly an IT guy, could look at it. He couldn’t find anything wrong, but told her to defrag. She said it froze up during the defrag. It’s been slow, slow, slow booting up, and she got the dreaded blue screen of death last week (that’s when we decided to take it home). Avast has been loaded onto it and updated, from what I heard, and no virus found. I’m thinking about bringing it up in safe mode and trying to use MalwareBytes on it.
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Thanks to each of you for your kind words of welcome yesterday and retractions thereof. While only a couple of comments have found their way here from this keyboard in South Katy, yours truly has been sitting quietly in the corner slurping a haggis, watching, and listening since the inaugural liftoff of LST way back when. There is a proverb somewhere that says it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt (Enchanters’ Revised Scrambled Version, 17:28). Sometimes one cannot help himself and, being overcome with a profound lack of self-control while imbued with the precise verbiage required to save the universe from certain disaster wrought by the echo of the big bang, sallies forth to remove all doubt. Thanks again for the recognition. I shall humbly endeavor to persevere.
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Thanks to each of you for your kind words of welcome yesterday and retractions thereof. While only a couple of comments have found their way here from this keyboard in South Katy, yours truly has been sitting quietly in the corner slurping a haggis, watching, and listening since the inaugural liftoff of LST way back when. There is a proverb somewhere that says it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt (Enchanters’ Revised Scrambled Version, 17:28). Sometimes one cannot help himself and, being overcome with a profound lack of self-control while imbued with the precise verbiage required to save the universe from certain disaster wrought by the echo of the big bang, sallies forth to remove all doubt. Thanks again for the recognition. I shall humbly endeavor to persevere.
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Here’s the experiment we’ve all been waiting for! Let the libs have their own state and see how long they live.
Betting pool: I say, oh, three months.
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Here’s the experiment we’ve all been waiting for! Let the libs have their own state and see how long they live.
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I’m wondering if that public art piece in Victoria B.C. will make them world class. That looks about like something our locals would come up with, maybe even make it dual purpose by placing them along the toy train route to serve as a combo urinal/passenger wait station – now that sounds world class for sure to me.
As to the shenanigans in Austin, the Dems are finding out the quote from The Messiah himself about elections having consequences is true – and of course, they don’t like it. The don’t even like the fact that we have to have elections to begin with – the people don’t have sense enough to elect the proper people, much less have sense enough to take care of themselves. See about the judicial election recount being conducted in Wisconsin for example, where the victor is clear, but the union thugs want to stall and delay – next stop the courthouse to contest this and that – all designed to prevent the exercise of democracy by the electorate.
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#6 – MsTT – I’ve read nothing but GOOD things about Malwarebytes abilities…………………sometimes running it multiple times is needed to eradicate some bugs…………
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#6 – MsTT – I’ve read nothing but GOOD things about Malwarebytes abilities…………………sometimes running it multiple times is needed to eradicate some bugs…………
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#10 Katfish
Yeah, the big problem is going to be getting the computer up and running so I can run the software.
/searching for portable app…
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#10 Katfish
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#6 – Sometimes it doesn’t hurt to run a couple of scans. Trend-Micro’s “housecall” is a free download that identifies and kills bugs as is the Malwarebytes program.
Lastly, if you are still having problems, you may have been hijacked. Trend Micro’s “hijack this” program can be run, but unless you are a real pro, you will need to send a screenshot of its finding back for analysis – still all free I believe.
Don’t forget to turn off whatever virus protection you may be currently running before executing the other programs. I’ve been using AVG’s free antivirus for some time now with no problems – I was previously a Trend Micro user, but at $50 per copy it just got too expensive for all my computers.
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#6 – Sometimes it doesn’t hurt to run a couple of scans. Trend-Micro’s “housecall” is a free download that identifies and kills bugs as is the Malwarebytes program.
Lastly, if you are still having problems, you may have been hijacked. Trend Micro’s “hijack this” program can be run, but unless you are a real pro, you will need to send a screenshot of its finding back for analysis – still all free I believe.
Don’t forget to turn off whatever virus protection you may be currently running before executing the other programs. I’ve been using AVG’s free antivirus for some time now with no problems – I was previously a Trend Micro user, but at $50 per copy it just got too expensive for all my computers. -
Levee’s are a two edged sword; Memphis braces for Mississippi River flood crest.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began opening the Bonnet Carre spillway 28 miles north of New Orleans Monday morning to divert part of the river flow to Lake Pontchartrain. Opening the spillway has no impact on homes or businesses.
The Corps expects to have about half of the spillway’s 350 bays open by later this week and it could be fully opened before the flooding ends, according to Victor Landry, the Corps’ Bonnet Carre operations manager.
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The spillway has been opened nine previous times, most recently in 2008, and peak Mississippi flows are not expected to reach key Louisiana points for more than two weeks.The Corps also has asked permission to open the Morganza Spillway on Thursday to ease pressure on Baton Rouge and New Orleans, which would force evacuations of people and livestock as it diverts water through the Atchafalaya River Basin.
Remember that they blew up Levees in Missouri and flooded farm land to protect the cities. Prayers to all in the Ohio, Missisippi and Atchafalaya flood plain.
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Levee’s are a two edged sword; Memphis braces for Mississippi River flood crest.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began opening the Bonnet Carre spillway 28 miles north of New Orleans Monday morning to divert part of the river flow to Lake Pontchartrain. Opening the spillway has no impact on homes or businesses.
The Corps expects to have about half of the spillway’s 350 bays open by later this week and it could be fully opened before the flooding ends, according to Victor Landry, the Corps’ Bonnet Carre operations manager.
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The spillway has been opened nine previous times, most recently in 2008, and peak Mississippi flows are not expected to reach key Louisiana points for more than two weeks.
The Corps also has asked permission to open the Morganza Spillway on Thursday to ease pressure on Baton Rouge and New Orleans, which would force evacuations of people and livestock as it diverts water through the Atchafalaya River Basin.Remember that they blew up Levees in Missouri and flooded farm land to protect the cities. Prayers to all in the Ohio, Missisippi and Atchafalaya flood plain.
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#6 More – If you can boot up your computer, you might want to try to use the system restore feature to restore the system to the period prior to the problem. If it won’t boot up, then you need to start looking for your back-up disc which should include a bootable Windows CD. Lots of other things that can be done as well, and hopefully you have everything properly and fully backed up so if you have to restore the entire operating system you won’t lose your data.
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#6 More – If you can boot up your computer, you might want to try to use the system restore feature to restore the system to the period prior to the problem. If it won’t boot up, then you need to start looking for your back-up disc which should include a bootable Windows CD. Lots of other things that can be done as well, and hopefully you have everything properly and fully backed up so if you have to restore the entire operating system you won’t lose your data.
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#7 Timd:
Thanks to each of you for your kind words of welcome yesterday and retractions thereof. While only a couple of comments have found their way here from this keyboard in South Katy, yours truly has been sitting quietly in the corner slurping a haggis, watching, and listening since the inaugural liftoff of LST way back when.
So stop being so much of a wissin lurking slacker, dangit! WE need fresh insight and a new perspective here. Everyone always agreeing with me 100% of the time (LOOK HERE SARGE) gets old after a while.
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#7 Timd:
Thanks to each of you for your kind words of welcome yesterday and retractions thereof. While only a couple of comments have found their way here from this keyboard in South Katy, yours truly has been sitting quietly in the corner slurping a haggis, watching, and listening since the inaugural liftoff of LST way back when.
So stop being so much of a wissin lurking slacker, dangit! WE need fresh insight and a new perspective here. Everyone always agreeing with me 100% of the time (LOOK HERE SARGE) gets old after a while.
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Queen TT: Golf was really fun yesterday. I just wanted you to know:>)
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Queen TT: Golf was really fun yesterday. I just wanted you to know:>)
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#8 Tedtam want it be just GREAT, they can open up their southern border and just let all those wondermous people into their county and show how diverse they are, everyone working there will have a minium wage of $50 K a year. Utopia fer sure, wonder how much a big mac will cost with wages like that. 😉
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#8 Tedtam want it be just GREAT, they can open up their southern border and just let all those wondermous people into their county and show how diverse they are, everyone working there will have a minium wage of $50 K a year. Utopia fer sure, wonder how much a big mac will cost with wages like that. 😉
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#7 TimDE
slurping a haggis
Say, isn’t haggis a sort of sausage? If so, how can you slurp it? Do you do “neeps and tatties” for dessert? 🙂
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#7 TimDE
slurping a haggis
Say, isn’t haggis a sort of sausage? If so, how can you slurp it? Do you do “neeps and tatties” for dessert? 🙂
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It is noted, with no small degree of trepidation, that 82(R) SB-905 by Patrick et al was successfully voted out of the Texas Senate yesterday. When signed into law by Pecos Perry, this law will provide exemption from prosecution when our elected representatives are caught with their pistols waving proudly in an environment where it would be otherwise illegal. In a letter dated April 25, 2011 to yours truly, His Lordship said, “Legislators and statewide officials spend the majority of their time in the public eye, often at events and locations that are planned by outside groups at unfamiliar locations. This can leave officials who carry a concealed handgun license unprepared to leave their weapon behind in a safe place. It can lead officials to inadvertently carry their handgun into a prohibited area. Elected officials, who are the subject of both positive and negative attention, are often unable to protect themselves should some danger occur.”
Fortunately for the proletariat, we don’t have to worry about being accosted by brigands, robbed at the ATM, sliced at the Stop-And-Rob or victimized while bringing in the trash can. Criminals are only interested in state-wide elected officials.
The latest record of how our senators voted on this legislation is, sadly, currently unavailable for display.
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It is noted, with no small degree of trepidation, that 82(R) SB-905 by Patrick et al was successfully voted out of the Texas Senate yesterday. When signed into law by Pecos Perry, this law will provide exemption from prosecution when our elected representatives are caught with their pistols waving proudly in an environment where it would be otherwise illegal. In a letter dated April 25, 2011 to yours truly, His Lordship said, “Legislators and statewide officials spend the majority of their time in the public eye, often at events and locations that are planned by outside groups at unfamiliar locations. This can leave officials who carry a concealed handgun license unprepared to leave their weapon behind in a safe place. It can lead officials to inadvertently carry their handgun into a prohibited area. Elected officials, who are the subject of both positive and negative attention, are often unable to protect themselves should some danger occur.”
Fortunately for the proletariat, we don’t have to worry about being accosted by brigands, robbed at the ATM, sliced at the Stop-And-Rob or victimized while bringing in the trash can. Criminals are only interested in state-wide elected officials.
The latest record of how our senators voted on this legislation is, sadly, currently unavailable for display.
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Well my Wife left Maui at about 10 PM their time, 3 AM central, and flew to LAX and left there at 6:30, 8:30 central and will be landing at Intergalatic around 12:30 Houston time. I texted her ‘tween fights in LAX and She said that She was Tarred! Been gone nine days and Small “Back”-Up” Dawg has really missed her.
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Well my Wife left Maui at about 10 PM their time, 3 AM central, and flew to LAX and left there at 6:30, 8:30 central and will be landing at Intergalatic around 12:30 Houston time. I texted her ‘tween fights in LAX and She said that She was Tarred! Been gone nine days and Small “Back”-Up” Dawg has really missed her.
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#21 WB
It may be more for the men, methinks. 😉
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timdenchanter
When signed into law by Pecos Perry, this law will provide exemption from prosecution when our elected representatives are caught with their pistols waving proudly in an environment where it would be otherwise illegal. In a letter dated April 25, 2011 to yours truly, His Lordship said, “Legislators and statewide officials spend the majority of their time in the public eye, often at events and locations that are planned by outside groups at unfamiliar locations.
Yanno It ALWAYS amazes me how the Ruling Class are certain that the peasants are way too stupid to even own a gun let alone carry it around BUTT they think it’s proper for them to have body guards, (often paid for by you & me) or carry their own weapon. This absolutely chaps my A$$!!!
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timdenchanter
When signed into law by Pecos Perry, this law will provide exemption from prosecution when our elected representatives are caught with their pistols waving proudly in an environment where it would be otherwise illegal. In a letter dated April 25, 2011 to yours truly, His Lordship said, “Legislators and statewide officials spend the majority of their time in the public eye, often at events and locations that are planned by outside groups at unfamiliar locations.
Yanno It ALWAYS amazes me how the Ruling Class are certain that the peasants are way too stupid to even own a gun let alone carry it around BUTT they think it’s proper for them to have body guards, (often paid for by you & me) or carry their own weapon. This absolutely chaps my A$$!!!
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#21 wagonburner, Think that they’ll make one for the men-folk. 😉
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#21 wagonburner, Think that they’ll make one for the men-folk. 😉
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Not only do elected Representatives have to worry about being accosted by brigands, robbed at the ATM, sliced at the Stop-And-Rob or victimized while bringing in the trash can, they also have to worry about the odd madman or malcontent that those of us outside the public eye don’t have to worry about.
Given what happened to Congresswoman Giffords, I have no real problem with awarding folks with a higher likelihood of being the target of a madman than others the additional self protection that SB-905 provides them with.
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Not only do elected Representatives have to worry about being accosted by brigands, robbed at the ATM, sliced at the Stop-And-Rob or victimized while bringing in the trash can, they also have to worry about the odd madman or malcontent that those of us outside the public eye don’t have to worry about.
Given what happened to Congresswoman Giffords, I have no real problem with awarding folks with a higher likelihood of being the target of a madman than others the additional self protection that SB-905 provides them with. -
#19 mharper42
If not consumed in a reasonable time, just about anything meaty will become slurpable before drying out, becoming crunchy then disintegrating into parmesan cheese. Neeps and tatties are a given as is a portion of The Macallan strictly for therapeutic purposes of course.
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#19 mharper42
If not consumed in a reasonable time, just about anything meaty will become slurpable before drying out, becoming crunchy then disintegrating into parmesan cheese. Neeps and tatties are a given as is a portion of The Macallan strictly for therapeutic purposes of course. -
Webb said she was at home when the incident happened. She said her son was standing in their yard and was about 50 feet away from the girl who was hit.
“He had no idea that dart would reach all the way across the yard,” said Webb. “It was just an accident.”
I was just minding my own business when all of a sudden a blowdart gun accidentally appeared in my hands. Then, it accidentally raised to my mouth. I accidentally aimed it at a girl across the street. Finally, I accidentally breathed real hard into it and the four inch long dart accidentally flew across the street and accidentally embedded itself into my neighbor’s flesh two inches.
An accident???
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Webb said she was at home when the incident happened. She said her son was standing in their yard and was about 50 feet away from the girl who was hit.
“He had no idea that dart would reach all the way across the yard,” said Webb. “It was just an accident.”I was just minding my own business when all of a sudden a blowdart gun accidentally appeared in my hands. Then, it accidentally raised to my mouth. I accidentally aimed it at a girl across the street. Finally, I accidentally breathed real hard into it and the four inch long dart accidentally flew across the street and accidentally embedded itself into my neighbor’s flesh two inches.
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Yanno It ALWAYS amazes me how the Ruling Class are certain that the peasants are way too stupid to even own a gun let alone carry it around BUTT they think it’s proper for them to have body guards, (often paid for by you & me) or carry their own weapon. This absolutely chaps my A$$!!!
Going to remind folks here that the author of the bill also supports Concealed Carry in schools.
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Yanno It ALWAYS amazes me how the Ruling Class are certain that the peasants are way too stupid to even own a gun let alone carry it around BUTT they think it’s proper for them to have body guards, (often paid for by you & me) or carry their own weapon. This absolutely chaps my A$$!!!
Going to remind folks here that the author of the bill also supports Concealed Carry in schools.
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#29 Hamous
But, but, it just happened unexpectedly!
That seems to be the current mantra to explain negative consequences.
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#29 Hamous
But, but, it just happened unexpectedly!
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So the cloistered libs in AZ wanna be like Quebec, only they’ll call it Baja Arizona. 😉
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So the cloistered libs in AZ wanna be like Quebec, only they’ll call it Baja Arizona. 😉
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Today I learned that rutabagas are called neeps in Scotland.
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Today I learned that rutabagas are called neeps in Scotland.
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Iffn the politi-terd-nozzles wanna pack heat everywhere, I say great – just let me do it too!
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Iffn the politi-terd-nozzles wanna pack heat everywhere, I say great – just let me do it too!
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#27 Sarge
Exactly where does that “all men are created equal” stuff enter the discussion? Many think a simple genuflect in His Lordship’s presence would suffice. The likelihood of him being put upon by a ne’er-do-well in a 51% establishment is probably no greater for him than you but he seeks to make his weapon du jour legal while incarcerating you. Hardly a recognition of equality.
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#27 Sarge
Exactly where does that “all men are created equal” stuff enter the discussion? Many think a simple genuflect in His Lordship’s presence would suffice. The likelihood of him being put upon by a ne’er-do-well in a 51% establishment is probably no greater for him than you but he seeks to make his weapon du jour legal while incarcerating you. Hardly a recognition of equality. -
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May 10, 2011 at 10:38 am#27 Sarge
Exactly where does that “all men are created equal” stuff enter the discussion? Many think a simple genuflect in His Lordship’s presence would suffice. The likelihood of him being put upon by a ne’er-do-well in a 51% establishment is probably no greater for him than you but he seeks to make his weapon du jour legal while incarcerating you. Hardly a recognition of equality.
The incarceration penalty is already in an existing law that was written when GWB was Governor, so Sen Patrick has nothing to do with that.
His Amendment to the existing law takes no rights away from me, nor does it enrich him or other elected officials the way the law is being used to benefit Speaker Straus and his family. I think we are better served turning our eyes towards that kind of corruption than we are at looking towards the efforts of elected officials to protect themselves.
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35 timdenchanter says:
May 10, 2011 at 10:38 am
#27 Sarge
Exactly where does that “all men are created equal” stuff enter the discussion? Many think a simple genuflect in His Lordship’s presence would suffice. The likelihood of him being put upon by a ne’er-do-well in a 51% establishment is probably no greater for him than you but he seeks to make his weapon du jour legal while incarcerating you. Hardly a recognition of equality.The incarceration penalty is already in an existing law that was written when GWB was Governor, so Sen Patrick has nothing to do with that.
His Amendment to the existing law takes no rights away from me, nor does it enrich him or other elected officials the way the law is being used to benefit Speaker Straus and his family. I think we are better served turning our eyes towards that kind of corruption than we are at looking towards the efforts of elected officials to protect themselves. -
#36 Sarge
Laws tend to work best for those who abide by them. For the rest of us, our almost constant companions are Mssrs. Smith & Wesson, Colonel Colt and, more recently, Mister Kimber. The dalliances of whatever floats to the top of the Austin and Washington cesspools will proceed unabated as long as the positions are held by humans. Only the names are changed to protect the “innocent.”
With regard to His Lordship’s proposed revision to existing law, he and numerous others will most certainly be enriched by not having to defend themselves against prosecution when, not if, they choose to exercise their second amendment right.
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#36 Sarge
Laws tend to work best for those who abide by them. For the rest of us, our almost constant companions are Mssrs. Smith & Wesson, Colonel Colt and, more recently, Mister Kimber. The dalliances of whatever floats to the top of the Austin and Washington cesspools will proceed unabated as long as the positions are held by humans. Only the names are changed to protect the “innocent.”
With regard to His Lordship’s proposed revision to existing law, he and numerous others will most certainly be enriched by not having to defend themselves against prosecution when, not if, they choose to exercise their second amendment right. -
The accuracy of Proverbs 17:28 is again demonstrated. I gotta go buy a new shirt for formal night on the Alaska cruise. Tap at you later.
My standard disclaimer of contrition still applies.
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The accuracy of Proverbs 17:28 is again demonstrated. I gotta go buy a new shirt for formal night on the Alaska cruise. Tap at you later.
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#29 Hamster:
Webb said she was at home when the incident happened. She said her son was standing in their yard and was about 50 feet away from the girl who was hit.
“He had no idea that dart would reach all the way across the yard,” said Webb. “It was just an accident.”
This woman needs to be sterilized immediately and barred from any contact what-so-ever of children under the age of 21. It takes roughly 5 minutes of playing with a blowgun to determine that it will go LOTS FARTHER THAN 50 FT! I have had one for years and in my hazy single days I used to hunt cockroaches at night with a flashlight secured to the end of one. I would just leave them where they were pinned as a trophy of sorts. It was kind of grotesque but a lot of fun and there is always reason to work on marksmanship skills. I like marksmanship of all kinds, rifle, pistol, shotgun, pool, GOLF, blowgun, knife throwing, etc. I don’t throw a knife worth a toot, btw.
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#29 Hamster:
Webb said she was at home when the incident happened. She said her son was standing in their yard and was about 50 feet away from the girl who was hit.
“He had no idea that dart would reach all the way across the yard,” said Webb. “It was just an accident.”This woman needs to be sterilized immediately and barred from any contact what-so-ever of children under the age of 21. It takes roughly 5 minutes of playing with a blowgun to determine that it will go LOTS FARTHER THAN 50 FT! I have had one for years and in my hazy single days I used to hunt cockroaches at night with a flashlight secured to the end of one. I would just leave them where they were pinned as a trophy of sorts. It was kind of grotesque but a lot of fun and there is always reason to work on marksmanship skills. I like marksmanship of all kinds, rifle, pistol, shotgun, pool, GOLF, blowgun, knife throwing, etc. I don’t throw a knife worth a toot, btw.
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Given what happened to Congresswoman Giffords, I have no real problem with awarding folks with a higher likelihood of being the target of a madman than others the additional self protection that SB-905 provides them with.
I have a real problem with it. Personally, I’ve had quite enough of elected officials who want to live by a different set of rules than what applies to those who elected them. They know the risks of being in the public eye when they take the job. Now we want to make elected officials a new protected class? What a load of crap.
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Given what happened to Congresswoman Giffords, I have no real problem with awarding folks with a higher likelihood of being the target of a madman than others the additional self protection that SB-905 provides them with.
I have a real problem with it. Personally, I’ve had quite enough of elected officials who want to live by a different set of rules than what applies to those who elected them. They know the risks of being in the public eye when they take the job. Now we want to make elected officials a new protected class? What a load of crap.
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With regard to His Lordship’s proposed revision to existing law, he and numerous others will most certainly be enriched by not having to defend themselves against prosecution when, not if, they choose to exercise their second amendment right.
While that kind of characterization works well for those who already dislike Sen. Patrick, those of us who are ambivalent towards him find fault with it.
I know there are certain outlets, pundits, activists, and political enemies who would rather we focused on this miniscule issue rather than on the Establishment Elephant in the room, but as doing that has gotten us into the fix we find ourselves in both fiscally and ethically, I’m going after the much bigger fish that are raping us and enriching themselves and their cronies while attempting to distract us from what they are doing by pointing to the other guy who has yet to do anything of the sort.
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With regard to His Lordship’s proposed revision to existing law, he and numerous others will most certainly be enriched by not having to defend themselves against prosecution when, not if, they choose to exercise their second amendment right.
While that kind of characterization works well for those who already dislike Sen. Patrick, those of us who are ambivalent towards him find fault with it.
I know there are certain outlets, pundits, activists, and political enemies who would rather we focused on this miniscule issue rather than on the Establishment Elephant in the room, but as doing that has gotten us into the fix we find ourselves in both fiscally and ethically, I’m going after the much bigger fish that are raping us and enriching themselves and their cronies while attempting to distract us from what they are doing by pointing to the other guy who has yet to do anything of the sort. -
I have a real problem with it. Personally, I’ve had quite enough of elected officials who want to live by a different set of rules than what applies to those who elected them. They know the risks of being in the public eye when they take the job. Now we want to make elected officials a new protected class? What a load of crap.
all the amendment does is give elected officials the same right that has been enjoyed by Officers of the Court since before CCW was passed.
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I have a real problem with it. Personally, I’ve had quite enough of elected officials who want to live by a different set of rules than what applies to those who elected them. They know the risks of being in the public eye when they take the job. Now we want to make elected officials a new protected class? What a load of crap.
all the amendment does is give elected officials the same right that has been enjoyed by Officers of the Court since before CCW was passed.
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I think D_n Patrick’s bill is garbage. He extends the rights of politicians to protect themselves while doing precious little to increase our rights to protect ourselves (legally).
Note: I am against the proposed carry law allowing people to carry firearms in their cars in private parking lots. This goes to private property rights.
Patrick’s bill is another knee JERK reaction brought about by the tragedy of Congresswoman Giffords and the shooting that occurred outside the Capital a few years back.
On the surface I have no problem with the laws enactment to extend their concealed carry privileges. However why not the regular citizen? We are told that the police are here to protect us, yet night after night on the news I hear story after story of citizens being killed, robbed, raped you name it. AND if memory serves it ain’t very often we hear of politicians being the victims/targets. But by gosh we gotta change the law so “they” can better protect themselves. Bottom line is the cops cannot protect us. THAT is our individual responsibility. If D_n Patrick wants to strengthen a law then strengthen it for EVERYONE.
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I think D_n Patrick’s bill is garbage. He extends the rights of politicians to protect themselves while doing precious little to increase our rights to protect ourselves (legally).
Note: I am against the proposed carry law allowing people to carry firearms in their cars in private parking lots. This goes to private property rights.
Patrick’s bill is another knee JERK reaction brought about by the tragedy of Congresswoman Giffords and the shooting that occurred outside the Capital a few years back.
On the surface I have no problem with the laws enactment to extend their concealed carry privileges. However why not the regular citizen? We are told that the police are here to protect us, yet night after night on the news I hear story after story of citizens being killed, robbed, raped you name it. AND if memory serves it ain’t very often we hear of politicians being the victims/targets. But by gosh we gotta change the law so “they” can better protect themselves. Bottom line is the cops cannot protect us. THAT is our individual responsibility. If D_n Patrick wants to strengthen a law then strengthen it for EVERYONE. -
After the Giffords shooting I researched attacks on members of Congress. I think I may have even posted it here. I seem to recall the number six in the entire history of our nation. Regardless, politicians are less likely to be victims of violent crime already. They don’t need any special protection above what they already have.
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After the Giffords shooting I researched attacks on members of Congress. I think I may have even posted it here. I seem to recall the number six in the entire history of our nation. Regardless, politicians are less likely to be victims of violent crime already. They don’t need any special protection above what they already have.
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#43 – Um ……….er………..Squawkster……is not your vehicle YOUR private property?
allowing people to carry firearms in their cars
Where do we cut the ‘private line’ in this cheese?
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#43 – Um ……….er………..Squawkster……is not your vehicle YOUR private property?
allowing people to carry firearms in their cars
Where do we cut the ‘private line’ in this cheese?
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On a scale fo 1 to 10 on the “He enjoys more rights than I do and that’s wrong.” scale, find that a Senator who introduces an Amendment to existing law that gives elected officials the same rights and responsibilites of carrying concealed as given to law enforcement officials and District Attornies, while at the same time voting fro an Amendment that expands Concealed Carry rights to students in college to be about a 3.
I find what the Establishment Republicans have done to enrich Joe Straus to be about a 3 million.
You guys express your righteous indignation where you wan to, I’ll express mine.
Lets see next November who has the most folks who agree with them.
YMMV
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On a scale fo 1 to 10 on the “He enjoys more rights than I do and that’s wrong.” scale, find that a Senator who introduces an Amendment to existing law that gives elected officials the same rights and responsibilites of carrying concealed as given to law enforcement officials and District Attornies, while at the same time voting fro an Amendment that expands Concealed Carry rights to students in college to be about a 3.
I find what the Establishment Republicans have done to enrich Joe Straus to be about a 3 million.
You guys express your righteous indignation where you wan to, I’ll express mine.
Lets see next November who has the most folks who agree with them.
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#27 Sarge
Given what happened to Congresswoman Giffords
Excellent point!
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#27 Sarge
Given what happened to Congresswoman Giffords
Excellent point!
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#28 TimDE
become slurpable before drying out
The Squawkmeister has a word for this, I think.
“spooge”
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#28 TimDE
become slurpable before drying out
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#43 Squawkster:
Note: I am against the proposed carry law allowing people to carry firearms in their cars in private parking lots. This goes to private property rights.
HOLD ON A MINUTE THERE, HOSS!! When the firearm is in MY CAR it is the legal equivalent of it being in MY HOUSE. An employer has absolutely no right what-so-ever to insist that you not keep a firearm in your house and the same applies for your car. I DRAW THE LINE where the employee takes the firearm from the car and onto the premises on his person – that is a whole nuther critter. IF the firearm is in the car it is none of the employers business – as soon as it leaves the car all bets are off as it is the employers premises.
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#43 Squawkster:
Note: I am against the proposed carry law allowing people to carry firearms in their cars in private parking lots. This goes to private property rights.
HOLD ON A MINUTE THERE, HOSS!! When the firearm is in MY CAR it is the legal equivalent of it being in MY HOUSE. An employer has absolutely no right what-so-ever to insist that you not keep a firearm in your house and the same applies for your car. I DRAW THE LINE where the employee takes the firearm from the car and onto the premises on his person – that is a whole nuther critter. IF the firearm is in the car it is none of the employers business – as soon as it leaves the car all bets are off as it is the employers premises.
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#43 – Um ……….er………..Squawkster……is not your vehicle YOUR private property?
allowing people to carry firearms in their cars
Where do we cut the ‘private line’ in this cheese?
Exceelent point. Sen Patrick also voted for the CCL Amendment that expanded that right for individuals to have a concealed weapon in their vehicles.
I just plain doesn’t look like Dan Patrick is in anyway abridging or reducing any CCL rights. In fact, he has been a loyal and dependable advocate and defender of not only the rights of gun owners, but expanding the rights of CCL holders.
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#43 – Um ……….er………..Squawkster……is not your vehicle YOUR private property?
allowing people to carry firearms in their cars
Where do we cut the ‘private line’ in this cheese?
Exceelent point. Sen Patrick also voted for the CCL Amendment that expanded that right for individuals to have a concealed weapon in their vehicles.
I just plain doesn’t look like Dan Patrick is in anyway abridging or reducing any CCL rights. In fact, he has been a loyal and dependable advocate and defender of not only the rights of gun owners, but expanding the rights of CCL holders. -
#32 Adee
So the cloistered libs in AZ wanna be like Quebec, only they’ll call it Baja Arizona.
Maybe they can relocate to Canada and start a Spanish-language-only province up there?
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#32 Adee
So the cloistered libs in AZ wanna be like Quebec, only they’ll call it Baja Arizona.
Maybe they can relocate to Canada and start a Spanish-language-only province up there?
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#33 Hammy
rutabagas are called neeps in Scotland.
Probably derived from “tur-neeps” ??
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#33 Hammy
rutabagas are called neeps in Scotland.
Probably derived from “tur-neeps” ??
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rutabagas are called neeps in Scotland.
And now we know why those knights said neep.
They were hungry.
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rutabagas are called neeps in Scotland.
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This article reports the passage of both the Campus Carry and Patrick amendments to the CCL Law.
It also tells us when he got the idea.
She recalled that Patrick was prompted to sponsor the legislation after having dinner with his son, an assistant DA. The younger Patrick was allowed to walk in to the restaurant armed but his dad had to keep his gun in the car.
The Amendment did not create a new “protected class” that is restricted to politicians. It adds elected officials to a group of individuals who are at a higher risk of attack from malcontents and those seeking vengance and have had this right since before the CCL Law was passed.
This teapot really is much to small for the tempest that’s been brewed over this.
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This article reports the passage of both the Campus Carry and Patrick amendments to the CCL Law.
It also tells us when he got the idea.She recalled that Patrick was prompted to sponsor the legislation after having dinner with his son, an assistant DA. The younger Patrick was allowed to walk in to the restaurant armed but his dad had to keep his gun in the car.
The Amendment did not create a new “protected class” that is restricted to politicians. It adds elected officials to a group of individuals who are at a higher risk of attack from malcontents and those seeking vengance and have had this right since before the CCL Law was passed.
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Mr. Fish
ummm yeah your vehicle is your private property. However, you are parking your private property on someone elses private property, that is they give you permission. Because it is their parking lot that they bought, payed for and own they have the right to set the rules.I look at this the same way i look at the smoking bans. Our country was founded on the basic premise of property rights. If I buy a piece of property with MY money, erect a building with MY money, put in a restaurant with MY money, hire employees with MY money I should able to dictate the rules of MY BUSINESS.
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Mr. Fish
ummm yeah your vehicle is your private property. However, you are parking your private property on someone elses private property, that is they give you permission. Because it is their parking lot that they bought, payed for and own they have the right to set the rules.
I look at this the same way i look at the smoking bans. Our country was founded on the basic premise of property rights. If I buy a piece of property with MY money, erect a building with MY money, put in a restaurant with MY money, hire employees with MY money I should able to dictate the rules of MY BUSINESS. -
Sarge
I just plain doesn’t look like Dan Patrick is in anyway abridging or reducing any CCL rights.
No one said D-n Patrick was abridging or reducing CCL rights. Where the hell did you get that idea?
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Sarge
I just plain doesn’t look like Dan Patrick is in anyway abridging or reducing any CCL rights.
No one said D-n Patrick was abridging or reducing CCL rights. Where the hell did you get that idea?
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Sarge
The Amendment did not create a new “protected class” that is restricted to politicians. It adds elected officials to a group of individuals who are at a higher risk of attack from malcontents and those seeking vengance and have had this right since before the CCL Law was passed.
What higher risk? Higher risk than you or I walking down the street? You are kidding right?
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Sarge
The Amendment did not create a new “protected class” that is restricted to politicians. It adds elected officials to a group of individuals who are at a higher risk of attack from malcontents and those seeking vengance and have had this right since before the CCL Law was passed.
What higher risk? Higher risk than you or I walking down the street? You are kidding right?
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I look at this the same way i look at the smoking bans. Our country was founded on the basic premise of property rights. If I buy a piece of property with MY money, erect a building with MY money, put in a restaurant with MY money, hire employees with MY money I should able to dictate the rules of MY BUSINESS.
And if I put MY gun in MY car and park MY car on somebody else’s property that does not give them the right to go into MY car, or get a policeman to do it, to take MY gun out of it.
The number of people empowered to enter my car without my permission is pretty much zero without some kind of due process. If the property owner does not have the right to ENTER my car, he doesn’t have the right to tell me what I can and cannot keep in it.
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I look at this the same way i look at the smoking bans. Our country was founded on the basic premise of property rights. If I buy a piece of property with MY money, erect a building with MY money, put in a restaurant with MY money, hire employees with MY money I should able to dictate the rules of MY BUSINESS.
And if I put MY gun in MY car and park MY car on somebody else’s property that does not give them the right to go into MY car, or get a policeman to do it, to take MY gun out of it.
The number of people empowered to enter my car without my permission is pretty much zero without some kind of due process. If the property owner does not have the right to ENTER my car, he doesn’t have the right to tell me what I can and cannot keep in it. -
What higher risk? Higher risk than you or I walking down the street? You are kidding right?
So, its your contention that the law allowing District Attornies and other Officers of the Court to carry concealed that passed decades ago was done pretty much as some kind of whim with no logical reason behind it?
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What higher risk? Higher risk than you or I walking down the street? You are kidding right?
So, its your contention that the law allowing District Attornies and other Officers of the Court to carry concealed that passed decades ago was done pretty much as some kind of whim with no logical reason behind it?
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#55 – I’m with Crusher de la Bone here——————if the weapon REMAINS inside MY vehicle no one’s rights have been infringed upon – if the weapon is OUT of the vehicle then and only then do the rights of the owner of said parking lot apply………………this would (IMHO) include bullets flying OUT of aforementioned vehicle…………keyword being “OUT”
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#55 – I’m with Crusher de la Bone here——————if the weapon REMAINS inside MY vehicle no one’s rights have been infringed upon – if the weapon is OUT of the vehicle then and only then do the rights of the owner of said parking lot apply………………this would (IMHO) include bullets flying OUT of aforementioned vehicle…………keyword being “OUT”
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If the property owner does not have the right to ENTER my car, he doesn’t have the right to tell me what I can and cannot keep in it.
My employer has a “no weapons” rule on company property. When people are hired they sign an agreement that they will not violate that policy and that they grant the company the right to inspect your personal property while on site. It’s never been invoked but the bottom line is the company is perfectly within their rights to do so if they want and the employees agreed to those conditions when they accepted the job.
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If the property owner does not have the right to ENTER my car, he doesn’t have the right to tell me what I can and cannot keep in it.
My employer has a “no weapons” rule on company property. When people are hired they sign an agreement that they will not violate that policy and that they grant the company the right to inspect your personal property while on site. It’s never been invoked but the bottom line is the company is perfectly within their rights to do so if they want and the employees agreed to those conditions when they accepted the job.
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My employer has a “no weapons” rule on company property. When people are hired they sign an agreement that they will not violate that policy and that they grant the company the right to inspect your personal property while on site. It’s never been invoked but the bottom line is the company is perfectly within their rights to do so if they want and the employees agreed to those conditions when they accepted the job.
And in that case, each individual has made an informed decision and has voluntarily agreed with the employer’s restrictions, and has volutarily given his employer the right to inspect his vehicle beforehand.
Which is as it should be.
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My employer has a “no weapons” rule on company property. When people are hired they sign an agreement that they will not violate that policy and that they grant the company the right to inspect your personal property while on site. It’s never been invoked but the bottom line is the company is perfectly within their rights to do so if they want and the employees agreed to those conditions when they accepted the job.
And in that case, each individual has made an informed decision and has voluntarily agreed with the employer’s restrictions, and has volutarily given his employer the right to inspect his vehicle beforehand.
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So, its your contention that the law allowing District Attornies and other Officers of the Court to carry concealed that passed decades ago was done pretty much as some kind of whim with no logical reason behind it?
You’re moving the goal post.
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So, its your contention that the law allowing District Attornies and other Officers of the Court to carry concealed that passed decades ago was done pretty much as some kind of whim with no logical reason behind it?
You’re moving the goal post.
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And in that case, each individual has made an informed decision and has voluntarily agreed with the employer’s restrictions, and has volutarily given his employer the right to inspect his vehicle beforehand.
The same goes for other privately owned places where weapons are prohibited. They are required by law to display signs indicating their policy. If you choose to enter their property you are agreeing to that policy voluntarily. If you don’t agree with it don’t enter. It really is that simple.
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And in that case, each individual has made an informed decision and has voluntarily agreed with the employer’s restrictions, and has volutarily given his employer the right to inspect his vehicle beforehand.
The same goes for other privately owned places where weapons are prohibited. They are required by law to display signs indicating their policy. If you choose to enter their property you are agreeing to that policy voluntarily. If you don’t agree with it don’t enter. It really is that simple.
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I DRAW THE LINE where the employee takes the firearm from the car and onto the premises on his person – that is a whole nuther critter.
Why? Your person is the ultimate private property. Why draw the line there?
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I DRAW THE LINE where the employee takes the firearm from the car and onto the premises on his person – that is a whole nuther critter.
Why? Your person is the ultimate private property. Why draw the line there?
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Mr. Fish I respectfully respond to your dissension.
So what I am hearing here is that some folks would have a private property owner have to face the full weight of the gubment for deciding what he/she deems appropriate for their property?My response is if you do not like the rules I or anyone else legally impose for their property
1. don’t work here
2. park elsewhere
It is my propertyGuess I oughta apologize to Bob42 for giving him down the river for agreeing with the courts overturning the will of the people in many instances.
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Mr. Fish I respectfully respond to your dissension.
So what I am hearing here is that some folks would have a private property owner have to face the full weight of the gubment for deciding what he/she deems appropriate for their property?
My response is if you do not like the rules I or anyone else legally impose for their property
1. don’t work here
2. park elsewhere
It is my property
Guess I oughta apologize to Bob42 for giving him down the river for agreeing with the courts overturning the will of the people in many instances. -
The same goes for other privately owned places where weapons are prohibited. They are required by law to display signs indicating their policy. If you choose to enter their property you are agreeing to that policy voluntarily. If you don’t agree with it don’t enter. It really is that simple.
But in none of those cases have I, or anyone else, voluntarily given up my rights to inspection of my vehicle without my permission.
And that’s the crux of the biskit. The guy who has permission to enter my vehicle is the one who has a right to tell me what I can or cannot keep in it. No sign will change that. You might just as well put up a sign that, by entering your poarking lot says I give up my right to express my opinion.
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The same goes for other privately owned places where weapons are prohibited. They are required by law to display signs indicating their policy. If you choose to enter their property you are agreeing to that policy voluntarily. If you don’t agree with it don’t enter. It really is that simple.
But in none of those cases have I, or anyone else, voluntarily given up my rights to inspection of my vehicle without my permission.
And that’s the crux of the biskit. The guy who has permission to enter my vehicle is the one who has a right to tell me what I can or cannot keep in it. No sign will change that. You might just as well put up a sign that, by entering your poarking lot says I give up my right to express my opinion. -
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#66 – I think we’re in agreement from the Gubmint’s perspective
Ah the JOYS of self employment!
But you did make one of the 2 neurons Tim Leary left me with fire briefly………………………who pays for the potential clean up if I choose to blow my own brains out in my own home?
Will the Gubmint invoice my estate for the tab?
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#66 – I think we’re in agreement from the Gubmint’s perspective
Ah the JOYS of self employment!
But you did make one of the 2 neurons Tim Leary left me with fire briefly………………………who pays for the potential clean up if I choose to blow my own brains out in my own home?
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But in none of those cases have I, or anyone else, voluntarily given up my rights to inspection of my vehicle without my permission.
Yes you have. You drove onto THEIR property understanding what their policy was.
You might just as well put up a sign that, by entering your poarking lot says I give up my right to express my opinion.
They already have those. In fact, this very blog has the same policy. If I don’t like the way you hold your mouth I can ban you. You and anyone else don’t necessarily have the right to express your opinion here.
I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that?
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But in none of those cases have I, or anyone else, voluntarily given up my rights to inspection of my vehicle without my permission.
Yes you have. You drove onto THEIR property understanding what their policy was.
You might just as well put up a sign that, by entering your poarking lot says I give up my right to express my opinion.
They already have those. In fact, this very blog has the same policy. If I don’t like the way you hold your mouth I can ban you. You and anyone else don’t necessarily have the right to express your opinion here.
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Okay Sarge by your thinking I hope you do not mind if I have a couple of my 18 Wheeler buds park their tractor/trailer on your lawn. Now I realize they are not working there at your home, but they will be by to get to know ya. They could park in the road but hey they will be in THEIR private property and besides they want to have some respect for the cars that traverse down your road and not put THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY in danger. Now the law says they cannot block the roads for more than 15 minutes to load or unload. So since they will be coming to visit for about 8 hours then it should be okay….. right?
You are JUST the property owner so it does not matter what your wishes are for your property now does it.
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Okay Sarge by your thinking I hope you do not mind if I have a couple of my 18 Wheeler buds park their tractor/trailer on your lawn. Now I realize they are not working there at your home, but they will be by to get to know ya. They could park in the road but hey they will be in THEIR private property and besides they want to have some respect for the cars that traverse down your road and not put THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY in danger. Now the law says they cannot block the roads for more than 15 minutes to load or unload. So since they will be coming to visit for about 8 hours then it should be okay….. right?
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You’re moving the goal post.
No, I’m not. The goal post remains firmly in place. The contention is that the threat to lawmakers is EQUAL to that posed to regular citizens, and thus they don’t reserve or require additional zself protection. The reality is that they are exposed to all the threats that everybody is exposed to, PLUS a few others, in exactly the same manner and for the same reasons as Officers of the Court are.
And your study in the wake of Congressman Giffords’ attack was limited to Congressmen. Is there similar evidence that the climate lately is one that has enhanced the threat to lawmakers at the state level?
The lawmakers in Wisconsin threatened by Union Thugs might think so.
There was a problem in New York recently as well.
A threat in Conneticutt recently was deemed credible enough for an arrest.
HAL won’t let me post any more, but death threats to state level lawmakers does seem to happen in every state.
Given that there are only around 400 members of Congress but thousands of state level elected officials, even if the frequency were the same, the number of people threatened is greater.
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You’re moving the goal post.
No, I’m not. The goal post remains firmly in place. The contention is that the threat to lawmakers is EQUAL to that posed to regular citizens, and thus they don’t reserve or require additional zself protection. The reality is that they are exposed to all the threats that everybody is exposed to, PLUS a few others, in exactly the same manner and for the same reasons as Officers of the Court are.
And your study in the wake of Congressman Giffords’ attack was limited to Congressmen. Is there similar evidence that the climate lately is one that has enhanced the threat to lawmakers at the state level?
The lawmakers in Wisconsin threatened by Union Thugs might think so.
As well as these in Utah.
There was a problem in New York recently as well.
A threat in Conneticutt recently was deemed credible enough for an arrest.
HAL won’t let me post any more, but death threats to state level lawmakers does seem to happen in every state.
Given that there are only around 400 members of Congress but thousands of state level elected officials, even if the frequency were the same, the number of people threatened is greater. -
In fact, this very blog has the same policy. If I don’t like the way you hold your mouth I can ban you.
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In fact, this very blog has the same policy. If I don’t like the way you hold your mouth I can ban you.
Don’t
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Okay Sarge by your thinking I hope you do not mind if I have a couple of my 18 Wheeler buds park their tractor/trailer on your lawn
Your ability at analogy really sucks.
There isn’t a lawn in this country that is open to the public or parking.
Parking lots are. Invite me to park you car in your lot, but don’t tell me that gives you the right to go into my car—even if its just to tell me what I chould or should not have in it.
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Okay Sarge by your thinking I hope you do not mind if I have a couple of my 18 Wheeler buds park their tractor/trailer on your lawn
Your ability at analogy really sucks.
There isn’t a lawn in this country that is open to the public or parking.
Parking lots are. Invite me to park you car in your lot, but don’t tell me that gives you the right to go into my car—even if its just to tell me what I chould or should not have in it. -
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And the threat level to the rest of us is not as great? Bovine processed hay. Politicians have convinced you bud that they deserve extended privileges under the law that they deny us. If that is not a setup to privileged class nothing is. -
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And the threat level to the rest of us is not as great? Bovine processed hay. Politicians have convinced you bud that they deserve extended privileges under the law that they deny us. If that is not a setup to privileged class nothing is. -
My analogy does not suck. IT is Private Property. Be it at a place of business or your home the owner has the right to dictate what is allowed on their premises. You would deny the business owner his right to dictate what goes on in his property.
If I was a business owner and someone carped because I did not want weapons on MY PROPERTY they could be denied access to the property with their vehicle. Now what are you gonna do? Sue me for not allowing you to park on MY PROPERTY? You still got your job. Looks like you gonna have to find another place to park.
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My analogy does not suck. IT is Private Property. Be it at a place of business or your home the owner has the right to dictate what is allowed on their premises. You would deny the business owner his right to dictate what goes on in his property.
If I was a business owner and someone carped because I did not want weapons on MY PROPERTY they could be denied access to the property with their vehicle. Now what are you gonna do? Sue me for not allowing you to park on MY PROPERTY? You still got your job. Looks like you gonna have to find another place to park. -
They already have those. In fact, this very blog has the same policy. If I don’t like the way you hold your mouth I can ban you. You and anyone else don’t necessarily have the right to express your opinion here.
And I voluntarily recognize that before I post. But put that on a sign out in front of your restaurant and tell me how good business is in a month or two.
I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that?
I bought the car. Its my property. Moving it along your tarmac that invites me to move my car there. You can put restrictions on it if you want, but if you don’t provide me with the opporturnity that your employer does, you won’t even know its there until I put five rounds centermass into the body of the scumbag tryingto rob your restaurant. At that point, you are likely to re-evaluate your position about guns in cars in your parking lot.
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They already have those. In fact, this very blog has the same policy. If I don’t like the way you hold your mouth I can ban you. You and anyone else don’t necessarily have the right to express your opinion here.
And I voluntarily recognize that before I post. But put that on a sign out in front of your restaurant and tell me how good business is in a month or two.
I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that?
I bought the car. Its my property. Moving it along your tarmac that invites me to move my car there. You can put restrictions on it if you want, but if you don’t provide me with the opporturnity that your employer does, you won’t even know its there until I put five rounds centermass into the body of the scumbag tryingto rob your restaurant. At that point, you are likely to re-evaluate your position about guns in cars in your parking lot.
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I repeat:
I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that?
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I repeat:
I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that? -
My analogy does not suck. IT is Private Property. Be it at a place of business or your home the owner has the right to dictate what is allowed on their premises.
Ummmmm–
Actually it doesn’t.
In the Great State of Texas, its against the law to tell me I can’t carry MY gun in MY car.
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My analogy does not suck. IT is Private Property. Be it at a place of business or your home the owner has the right to dictate what is allowed on their premises.
Ummmmm–
Actually it doesn’t.
In the Great State of Texas, its against the law to tell me I can’t carry MY gun in MY car. -
I am not telling you not carry your weapon in your car. I am telling you cannot bring a weapon onto private property that so states it. To deny that person the right to dictate what goes on on their property is morally wrong. You can park elsewhere and walk.
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I am not telling you not carry your weapon in your car. I am telling you cannot bring a weapon onto private property that so states it. To deny that person the right to dictate what goes on on their property is morally wrong. You can park elsewhere and walk.
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I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that?
If your property is your lawn, you have the right.
If your property is a parking lot that is accessible to all the public with no physical restrictions such as gates or guards, then you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property that you have made so obviously public. You have essentially made your parking lot an extension of the public roadways.
Once someone goes inside a door or fence, then your rights trump others in you can require them to leave thier gun in thier car.
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I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could think their property rights trump mine when they’re on MY property. How can you possibly reconcile that?
If your property is your lawn, you have the right.
If your property is a parking lot that is accessible to all the public with no physical restrictions such as gates or guards, then you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property that you have made so obviously public. You have essentially made your parking lot an extension of the public roadways.
Once someone goes inside a door or fence, then your rights trump others in you can require them to leave thier gun in thier car. -
AND if i was one of those property owners I would close the parking lot. So now what are you going to do? Sue me? Go back to the Congress/Senate and demand a law be made to make it illegal to close a parking lot I own?
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AND if i was one of those property owners I would close the parking lot. So now what are you going to do? Sue me? Go back to the Congress/Senate and demand a law be made to make it illegal to close a parking lot I own?
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I bought the car. Its my property. Moving it along your tarmac that invites me to move my car there. You can put restrictions on it if you want, but if you don’t provide me with the opporturnity that your employer does, you won’t even know its there until I put five rounds centermass into the body of the scumbag tryingto rob your restaurant. At that point, you are likely to re-evaluate your position about guns in cars in your parking lot.
That doesn’t even make sense. Your car is an extension of your person, the “ultimate private property”. If you accept the fact that I have the right to exclude weapons on your person then how can that right be abrogated because you place the weapon in your car? It’s still on MY property. The rest of your argument is a silly straw man.
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I bought the car. Its my property. Moving it along your tarmac that invites me to move my car there. You can put restrictions on it if you want, but if you don’t provide me with the opporturnity that your employer does, you won’t even know its there until I put five rounds centermass into the body of the scumbag tryingto rob your restaurant. At that point, you are likely to re-evaluate your position about guns in cars in your parking lot.
That doesn’t even make sense. Your car is an extension of your person, the “ultimate private property”. If you accept the fact that I have the right to exclude weapons on your person then how can that right be abrogated because you place the weapon in your car? It’s still on MY property. The rest of your argument is a silly straw man.
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AND if i was one of those property owners I would close the parking lot. So now what are you going to do?
Nope.
If you close the parking lot by means of a gate, fence, or guards, it is no longer accessible to the general public, and the laws ob taining to those travelling on public roadways no longer apply.
But if someone can drive through your parking lot without any restriction other than dodging other parked cars or pedestrains, then the rights applying to public roadways apply.
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AND if i was one of those property owners I would close the parking lot. So now what are you going to do?
Nope.
If you close the parking lot by means of a gate, fence, or guards, it is no longer accessible to the general public, and the laws ob taining to those travelling on public roadways no longer apply.
But if someone can drive through your parking lot without any restriction other than dodging other parked cars or pedestrains, then the rights applying to public roadways apply. -
That doesn’t even make sense. Your car is an extension of your person, the “ultimate private property”. If you accept the fact that I have the right to exclude weapons on your person then how can that right be abrogated because you place the weapon in your car? It’s still on MY property. The rest of your argument is a silly straw man.
The only place you have a right to exclude any item on my person is on the other side of a doorway or other physical structure that would inhibit public access.
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That doesn’t even make sense. Your car is an extension of your person, the “ultimate private property”. If you accept the fact that I have the right to exclude weapons on your person then how can that right be abrogated because you place the weapon in your car? It’s still on MY property. The rest of your argument is a silly straw man.
The only place you have a right to exclude any item on my person is on the other side of a doorway or other physical structure that would inhibit public access.
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If your property is a parking lot that is accessible to all the public with no physical restrictions such as gates or guards, then you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property that you have made so obviously public. You have essentially made your parking lot an extension of the public roadways.
Oh, I see. So if your yard is not fenced you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property. After all, your driveway is an extension of the public roadways.
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If your property is a parking lot that is accessible to all the public with no physical restrictions such as gates or guards, then you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property that you have made so obviously public. You have essentially made your parking lot an extension of the public roadways.
Oh, I see. So if your yard is not fenced you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property. After all, your driveway is an extension of the public roadways.
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What are you talking about Sarge?
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What are you talking about Sarge?
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And since your driveway is an extension to the public bill and Harold will be over tonight to park their trucks. You will know them when they get there Sarge.
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And since your driveway is an extension to the public bill and Harold will be over tonight to park their trucks. You will know them when they get there Sarge.
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Well crud after 33 years at the same place as of last Friday I am unemployed. This stinks.
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Well crud after 33 years at the same place as of last Friday I am unemployed. This stinks.
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You will like Bill. He always brings a friend for a friend’s friend. Oh wait we are no longer friends. Better for Bill. He likes lots of company in his lower birth.
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You will like Bill. He always brings a friend for a friend’s friend. Oh wait we are no longer friends. Better for Bill. He likes lots of company in his lower birth.
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Dang SC I hate to hear that. Wha happen?
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Dang SC I hate to hear that. Wha happen?
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The only place you have a right to exclude any item on my person is on the other side of a doorway or other physical structure that would inhibit public access.
A sign stating (as required by law) that I prohibit weapons on MY property is all the physical structure I need. And by removing the exclusion from PUBLIC places the Texas legislature is indirectly reaffirming that private property owners maintain the right to exclude.
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The only place you have a right to exclude any item on my person is on the other side of a doorway or other physical structure that would inhibit public access.
A sign stating (as required by law) that I prohibit weapons on MY property is all the physical structure I need. And by removing the exclusion from PUBLIC places the Texas legislature is indirectly reaffirming that private property owners maintain the right to exclude.
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What type of work do you do, SC?
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What type of work do you do, SC?
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Oh, I see. So if your yard is not fenced you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property. After all, your driveway is an extension of the public roadways.
The law has always made distinctions between dwellings and businesses. You don’t need to knock on the door to enter a restaurant, but try that at somebody’s house and you’ll see a vivid illustration of the principal.
And since your driveway is an extension to the public bill and Harold will be over tonight to park their trucks. You will know them when they get there Sarge.
Except my drive way is not prepared for tractor trailer trucks. They would be sued for any damages, and I would get to make their property mine for the harm they did to me, because actual harm would be done, and recklessly so.
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Oh, I see. So if your yard is not fenced you give up a portion of YOUR rights and acknowledge the rights of those who go onto the property. After all, your driveway is an extension of the public roadways.
The law has always made distinctions between dwellings and businesses. You don’t need to knock on the door to enter a restaurant, but try that at somebody’s house and you’ll see a vivid illustration of the principal.
And since your driveway is an extension to the public bill and Harold will be over tonight to park their trucks. You will know them when they get there Sarge.
Except my drive way is not prepared for tractor trailer trucks. They would be sued for any damages, and I would get to make their property mine for the harm they did to me, because actual harm would be done, and recklessly so.
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A sign stating (as required by law) that I prohibit weapons on MY property is all the physical structure I need. And by removing the exclusion from PUBLIC places the Texas legislature is indirectly reaffirming that private property owners maintain the right to exclude.
Nope.
I can stand outside your door with a pistol in my pocket. Unless I had to pass through a gate to get there, even on a homeowners property, I have the right to keep it there as long as I have a permit. Once I go inside, I have to abide by your rules.
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A sign stating (as required by law) that I prohibit weapons on MY property is all the physical structure I need. And by removing the exclusion from PUBLIC places the Texas legislature is indirectly reaffirming that private property owners maintain the right to exclude.
Nope.
I can stand outside your door with a pistol in my pocket. Unless I had to pass through a gate to get there, even on a homeowners property, I have the right to keep it there as long as I have a permit. Once I go inside, I have to abide by your rules. -
#29 hamous
One of my summer jobs was shop boy for an electrical contractor in California. We were screwing around one day and found that if you cut the flap off of these rubber splice covers (we called them “diapers” – don’t know what the real name is) and stick a 16 penny nail through the cup part of the diaper, you could shoot it out of a piece of 1/2″ EMT (conduit).We could stick them into a piece of plywood at the other end of the shop.
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#29 hamous
One of my summer jobs was shop boy for an electrical contractor in California. We were screwing around one day and found that if you cut the flap off of these rubber splice covers (we called them “diapers” – don’t know what the real name is) and stick a 16 penny nail through the cup part of the diaper, you could shoot it out of a piece of 1/2″ EMT (conduit).
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I can stand outside your door with a pistol in my pocket. Unless I had to pass through a gate to get there, even on a homeowners property, I have the right to keep it there as long as I have a permit. Once I go inside, I have to abide by your rules.
Uhuh c’mon over to my place of business Serge’ . Everyone but you is allowed to carry a weapon on my property. You can stand at the end of my drive all you want with your weapon. The second you step foot on my property with a weapon you will be asked to leave. If you drive on my property and I ask you if you have a weapon in the vehicle i will ask you to park your vehicle OFF MY PROPERTY. If you lie to me and i find out you have a weapon in your vehicle I will ask you to leave. Now what are you gonna do while the rest of us show off our firearms? If you do not do as I ask I will call the law and have you arrested for trespass. MY PROPERTY. MY RULES that is what this country was founded on.
Please see the registrar at the door and turn in your “conservative card”. You sound more like a liberal than a liberal does.
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I can stand outside your door with a pistol in my pocket. Unless I had to pass through a gate to get there, even on a homeowners property, I have the right to keep it there as long as I have a permit. Once I go inside, I have to abide by your rules.
Uhuh c’mon over to my place of business Serge’ . Everyone but you is allowed to carry a weapon on my property. You can stand at the end of my drive all you want with your weapon. The second you step foot on my property with a weapon you will be asked to leave. If you drive on my property and I ask you if you have a weapon in the vehicle i will ask you to park your vehicle OFF MY PROPERTY. If you lie to me and i find out you have a weapon in your vehicle I will ask you to leave. Now what are you gonna do while the rest of us show off our firearms? If you do not do as I ask I will call the law and have you arrested for trespass. MY PROPERTY. MY RULES that is what this country was founded on.
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Open carry for all except the prohibited class (felons, etc.).
Equal rights for all, but special rights for none.
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Open carry for all except the prohibited class (felons, etc.).
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Please see the registrar at the door and turn in your “conservative card”. You sound more like a liberal than a liberal does.
Oh puhleeeeeeze.
You’re the one advocating restriction of gun ownership rights
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Please see the registrar at the door and turn in your “conservative card”. You sound more like a liberal than a liberal does.
Oh puhleeeeeeze.
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I can stand outside your door with a pistol in my pocket. Unless I had to pass through a gate to get there, even on a homeowners property, I have the right to keep it there as long as I have a permit. Once I go inside, I have to abide by your rules.
You better read up on your concealed carry laws, bubba. All I need to do is paint a purple line on a tree at my property line. Hell, I just have to tell you you can’t bring the gun on my property.
GC §411.203. RIGHTS OF EMPLOYERS. This subchapter does not prevent or otherwise limit the right of a public or private employer to prohibit persons who are licensed under this subchapter from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of the business.
PC §30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (a) A person commits an offense
if he enters or remains on property, including an aircraft, of another
without effective consent or he enters or remains in a building of
another without effective consent and he:
(1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or
(2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.
(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) “Entry” means the intrusion of the entire body.
(2) “Notice” means:
(A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone
with apparent authority to act for the owner;
(B) fencing or other enclosure obviously designed to exclude
intruders or to contain livestock;
(C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to
the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders,
indicating that entry is forbidden;
(D) the placement of identifying purple paint marks on trees or
posts on the property, provided that the marks are:
(i) vertical lines of not less than eight inches in length and not
less than one inch in width;
(ii) placed so that the bottom of the mark is not less than
three feet from the ground or more than five feet from the ground; and
(iii) placed at locations that are readily visible to any person
approaching the property and no more than:
(I) 100 feet apart on forest land; or
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I can stand outside your door with a pistol in my pocket. Unless I had to pass through a gate to get there, even on a homeowners property, I have the right to keep it there as long as I have a permit. Once I go inside, I have to abide by your rules.
You better read up on your concealed carry laws, bubba. All I need to do is paint a purple line on a tree at my property line. Hell, I just have to tell you you can’t bring the gun on my property.
GC §411.203. RIGHTS OF EMPLOYERS. This subchapter does not prevent or otherwise limit the right of a public or private employer to prohibit persons who are licensed under this subchapter from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of the business.
PC §30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (a) A person commits an offense
if he enters or remains on property, including an aircraft, of another
without effective consent or he enters or remains in a building of
another without effective consent and he:
(1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or
(2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.
(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) “Entry” means the intrusion of the entire body.
(2) “Notice” means:
(A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone
with apparent authority to act for the owner;
(B) fencing or other enclosure obviously designed to exclude
intruders or to contain livestock;
(C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to
the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders,
indicating that entry is forbidden;
(D) the placement of identifying purple paint marks on trees or
posts on the property, provided that the marks are:
(i) vertical lines of not less than eight inches in length and not
less than one inch in width;
(ii) placed so that the bottom of the mark is not less than
three feet from the ground or more than five feet from the ground; and
(iii) placed at locations that are readily visible to any person
approaching the property and no more than:
(I) 100 feet apart on forest land; or
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I have a female friend who was a prosecutor for the DA. As a result of her many years of service, she had many friends in law enforcement, mostly the plain clothes variety. It was always amazing to me at her Christmas (can we still use that word?) party to see the pile of guns deposited by her guests upon arrival in her home. I’m pretty sure that many of the guests just put one piece into the pile just for show but retained others located on various portions of their bodies and/or wardrobe.
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I have a female friend who was a prosecutor for the DA. As a result of her many years of service, she had many friends in law enforcement, mostly the plain clothes variety. It was always amazing to me at her Christmas (can we still use that word?) party to see the pile of guns deposited by her guests upon arrival in her home. I’m pretty sure that many of the guests just put one piece into the pile just for show but retained others located on various portions of their bodies and/or wardrobe.
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You’re the one advocating restriction of gun ownership rights
That’s absurd. You’re advocating special rights for you that trump a property owners rights even when you’re on HIS freaking property.
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You’re the one advocating restriction of gun ownership rights
That’s absurd. You’re advocating special rights for you that trump a property owners rights even when you’re on HIS freaking property.
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You’re the one advocating restriction of gun ownership rights
Uhhh no i am not. You can own and carry a gun anywhere you want as long as it is legal and the owner of any property gives you permission. You can even carry the weapon in your vehicle. No one is stopping you. Like i said, I own the property, I set the rights. That my SPF (not a military rank btw) is the basis of private property rights in this country.
Not to mention that the imposition of your will over another is just plain rude. But then no one seems to care about that any longer either. If I cannot get my way i will go make the legislature make a law.
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You’re the one advocating restriction of gun ownership rights
Uhhh no i am not. You can own and carry a gun anywhere you want as long as it is legal and the owner of any property gives you permission. You can even carry the weapon in your vehicle. No one is stopping you. Like i said, I own the property, I set the rights. That my SPF (not a military rank btw) is the basis of private property rights in this country.
Not to mention that the imposition of your will over another is just plain rude. But then no one seems to care about that any longer either. If I cannot get my way i will go make the legislature make a law. -
Frankly all I am seeing from you Serge’ is a rehash of some really dangerous group think. Private property rights go out the window with you and others. And then you have the gall to argue with liberals when they pull the same crappola going to the courts of legislators to get a law changed to suit them. In both cases individual private property rights are squashed.
I am surprised you got upset about some of the imminent domain cases we have discussed. Is not a road for the masses more important than a farmers farm. What you arre arguing now is why some towns, counties think it is okay to take a persons land to give it to another person because they think they will get more taxes. Mercifully that has so far been shut down. It is the same premise.
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Frankly all I am seeing from you Serge’ is a rehash of some really dangerous group think. Private property rights go out the window with you and others. And then you have the gall to argue with liberals when they pull the same crappola going to the courts of legislators to get a law changed to suit them. In both cases individual private property rights are squashed.
I am surprised you got upset about some of the imminent domain cases we have discussed. Is not a road for the masses more important than a farmers farm. What you arre arguing now is why some towns, counties think it is okay to take a persons land to give it to another person because they think they will get more taxes. Mercifully that has so far been shut down. It is the same premise. -
All I need to do is paint a purple line on a tree at my property line.
So post your sign and paint your tree and be done with it.
That’s absurd. You’re advocating special rights for you that trump a property owners rights even when you’re on HIS freaking property.
If the owner goes to the lengths specified by law, then he has the right. If not he doesn’t.
I’m really not seeing that many purple lines painted on parking lots around town. Not that many signs either since CCL holders started boycotting them.
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All I need to do is paint a purple line on a tree at my property line.
So post your sign and paint your tree and be done with it.
That’s absurd. You’re advocating special rights for you that trump a property owners rights even when you’re on HIS freaking property.
If the owner goes to the lengths specified by law, then he has the right. If not he doesn’t.
I’m really not seeing that many purple lines painted on parking lots around town. Not that many signs either since CCL holders started boycotting them. -
El Gorded one
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El Gorded one
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That’s absurd. You’re advocating special rights for you that trump a property owners rights even when you’re on HIS freaking property.
So in other words, my statement was just as ludicrous as his that I’m taking the Liberal position on this.
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That’s absurd. You’re advocating special rights for you that trump a property owners rights even when you’re on HIS freaking property.
So in other words, my statement was just as ludicrous as his that I’m taking the Liberal position on this.
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If the owner goes to the lengths specified by law, then he has the right.
That is crap too. Why should an owner jump through hoops to be ruler of his domain?
C’mon Serge’ it is time to start answering some questions here.
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If the owner goes to the lengths specified by law, then he has the right.
That is crap too. Why should an owner jump through hoops to be ruler of his domain?
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#65 Hamous:
Why? Your person is the ultimate private property. Why draw the line there?
It is a question of proximity and “reasonable” personal space. IN MY CAR is a zone that is the legal equivalent of my house; what is in my house (illegal substances excepted of course) is no ones effing business. That exclusion zone ends with the interior of my car. When I walk in your parking lot or into your place of business, or cross your property line, ON FOOT I do not enjoy the benefits of the castle doctrine.
Squawk:Okay Sarge by your thinking I hope you do not mind if I have a couple of my 18 Wheeler buds park their tractor/trailer on your lawn.
This example is really quite ridiculous, even absurd. My lawn is not intended to have any vehicle parked on it at any time, a parking lot is. My driveway is for the sole use of me and those I specifically designate, there is no expectation that anyone can park on my driveway (or my lawn for that matter) for any reason without my explicit permission. If some terd-nozzle parks his rig on my lawn, he will likely be perforated and assume room temperature, that is the reasonable expectation in this country and is a darn near certainty in Bonecrusherville.
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#65 Hamous:
Why? Your person is the ultimate private property. Why draw the line there?
It is a question of proximity and “reasonable” personal space. IN MY CAR is a zone that is the legal equivalent of my house; what is in my house (illegal substances excepted of course) is no ones effing business. That exclusion zone ends with the interior of my car. When I walk in your parking lot or into your place of business, or cross your property line, ON FOOT I do not enjoy the benefits of the castle doctrine.
Squawk:Okay Sarge by your thinking I hope you do not mind if I have a couple of my 18 Wheeler buds park their tractor/trailer on your lawn.
This example is really quite ridiculous, even absurd. My lawn is not intended to have any vehicle parked on it at any time, a parking lot is. My driveway is for the sole use of me and those I specifically designate, there is no expectation that anyone can park on my driveway (or my lawn for that matter) for any reason without my explicit permission. If some terd-nozzle parks his rig on my lawn, he will likely be perforated and assume room temperature, that is the reasonable expectation in this country and is a darn near certainty in Bonecrusherville.
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Frankly all I am seeing from you Serge’ is a rehash of some really dangerous group think. Private property rights go out the window with you and others. And then you have the gall to argue with liberals when they pull the same crappola going to the courts of legislators to get a law changed to suit them. In both cases individual private property rights are squashed.
Except the law gives private property owners the means and methods by which they can secure those rights in locations they have given public access to.
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Frankly all I am seeing from you Serge’ is a rehash of some really dangerous group think. Private property rights go out the window with you and others. And then you have the gall to argue with liberals when they pull the same crappola going to the courts of legislators to get a law changed to suit them. In both cases individual private property rights are squashed.
Except the law gives private property owners the means and methods by which they can secure those rights in locations they have given public access to.
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So post your sign and paint your tree and be done with it.
Not according to you. You’ve stated numerous times I don’t have the right to exclude you from my own private property unless I have a fence and a gate. You’ve stated that my private property is quasi-public unless I do. Which is it?
I’m really not seeing that many purple lines painted on parking lots around town. Not that many signs either since CCL holders started boycotting them.
In other words, you’ve lost this argument and are now resorting to obfuscation.
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So post your sign and paint your tree and be done with it.
Not according to you. You’ve stated numerous times I don’t have the right to exclude you from my own private property unless I have a fence and a gate. You’ve stated that my private property is quasi-public unless I do. Which is it?
I’m really not seeing that many purple lines painted on parking lots around town. Not that many signs either since CCL holders started boycotting them.
In other words, you’ve lost this argument and are now resorting to obfuscation.
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Not according to you. You’ve stated numerous times I don’t have the right to exclude you from my own private property unless I have a fence and a gate.
OK
OR A SIGN AS SPECIFIED BY LAW.
Happy?
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Not according to you. You’ve stated numerous times I don’t have the right to exclude you from my own private property unless I have a fence and a gate.
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I’ve lost no argument, and nobody has won any.
Gun owners in the State of Texas have a right to carry weapons in their automobiles, and nobody’s rights are abridged if they do.
Their sensibilities, biases, and prejudices, maybe—but not their rights.
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I’ve lost no argument, and nobody has won any.
Gun owners in the State of Texas have a right to carry weapons in their automobiles, and nobody’s rights are abridged if they do.
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IN MY CAR is a zone that is the legal equivalent of my house; what is in my house (illegal substances excepted of course) is no ones effing business.
That would only be equivalent if you could drive your house onto someone else’s private property, and even then your analogy would still fall apart. If I have told you you cannot bring a concealed can of peaches onto my property then you cannot bring them. ITS MY FREAKING PROPERTY!
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IN MY CAR is a zone that is the legal equivalent of my house; what is in my house (illegal substances excepted of course) is no ones effing business.
That would only be equivalent if you could drive your house onto someone else’s private property, and even then your analogy would still fall apart. If I have told you you cannot bring a concealed can of peaches onto my property then you cannot bring them. ITS MY FREAKING PROPERTY!
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Bonez
This example is really quite ridiculous, even absurd.
It was meant to be.
I am in agreement with Whiskerfish and Sarge on this one.
And that is okay.
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Bonez
This example is really quite ridiculous, even absurd.
It was meant to be.
I am in agreement with Whiskerfish and Sarge on this one.
And that is okay.
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The fact that the law requires the property owner to do something in order to secure his right to keep guns off his property is a recognition that it is the right of the gun owner that is paramount.
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The fact that the law requires the property owner to do something in order to secure his right to keep guns off his property is a recognition that it is the right of the gun owner that is paramount.
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Happy?
No, I’m not at all happy when someone insists my fundamental rights as a property owner are somehow trumped by their rights when they are on my property. We’re not talking about your right to carry a gun in your car. We’re talking about my rights to prohibit guns on my property. I don’t care if you have it in your Malibu Barbie Corvette Dream Car. If I don’t want it on my property you have no right to bring it on my property.
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Happy?
No, I’m not at all happy when someone insists my fundamental rights as a property owner are somehow trumped by their rights when they are on my property. We’re not talking about your right to carry a gun in your car. We’re talking about my rights to prohibit guns on my property. I don’t care if you have it in your Malibu Barbie Corvette Dream Car. If I don’t want it on my property you have no right to bring it on my property.
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My bottomline
Someone else owns the property and they do not wish for me to bring my weapon on THEIR PROPERTY I will obey their wish. That is called respect folks.
Going the legal route to force someone to amend their wishes for their property under the threat of legal action is the ultimate disrespect of that person and the basic principle concerning PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP/RIGHTS.
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My bottomline
Someone else owns the property and they do not wish for me to bring my weapon on THEIR PROPERTY I will obey their wish. That is called respect folks.
Going the legal route to force someone to amend their wishes for their property under the threat of legal action is the ultimate disrespect of that person and the basic principle concerning PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP/RIGHTS. -
The fact that the law requires the property owner to do something in order to secure his right to keep guns off his property is a recognition that it is the right of the gun owner that is paramount.
Now I’m confused. Have you conceded that I indeed have a right to prohibit you from bringing guns on my property?
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The fact that the law requires the property owner to do something in order to secure his right to keep guns off his property is a recognition that it is the right of the gun owner that is paramount.
Now I’m confused. Have you conceded that I indeed have a right to prohibit you from bringing guns on my property?
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The fact that the law requires the property owner to do something in order to secure his right to keep guns off his property is a recognition that it is the right of the gun owner that is paramount.
That is 100% b*llsh*t.
I want you to provide me the law that says that crap before you go any further.
/Oh you can’t? I did not think so.
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The fact that the law requires the property owner to do something in order to secure his right to keep guns off his property is a recognition that it is the right of the gun owner that is paramount.
That is 100% b*llsh*t.
I want you to provide me the law that says that crap before you go any further.
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#114 Hamous:
If I have told you you cannot bring a concealed can of peaches onto my property then you cannot bring them. ITS MY FREAKING PROPERTY!
IF you are speaking of your domicile you will get absolutely no argument from me. I, for example, will not allow pork or shellfish products on my domestic property for any reason. If I owned a business, and someone wanted to bring a ham sammich for lunch, that is their business. I could put a notice on the company fridge that says no pork or shellfish allowed inside, and if someone violated that clear restriction, I could reasonably fire them. If you are speaking of a place of business where you have employees, there are other rules that come into play, you do not have carte blanche. For example, you can be required to make reasonable accommodation for religious holidays, you can’t ask/require someone to put their life in jeopardy, there are OSHA requirements that must be met etc. Even if you are the sole proprietor and you own it 100%, there are still rules that you must abide by even if:
ITS MY FREAKING PROPERTY!
If you were to require that I sign a waiver of my rights to carry in my car to work for you, I would prolly invite you to pound sand and not work for you, that would be a deal breaker on principle.
Let’s just get away from the theoretical for a moment and look at practicality:
If you had an independent business and for some reason you had a bad feeling about a particular potential employee and wanted to make sure that he never had a firearm in his car, or on his person, while on your property – the reasonably prudent thing to do would be to not hire him in the first place. It is not prudent to render everyone there helpless in the presence of an armed intruder. IF you are one of those ninny’s who simply hates guns “because they kill people” and therefore you aren’t going to allow them on you property, then the terd-nozzles will find their way to your door and you/your employees will pay a heavy physical price. -
#114 Hamous:
If I have told you you cannot bring a concealed can of peaches onto my property then you cannot bring them. ITS MY FREAKING PROPERTY!
IF you are speaking of your domicile you will get absolutely no argument from me. I, for example, will not allow pork or shellfish products on my domestic property for any reason. If I owned a business, and someone wanted to bring a ham sammich for lunch, that is their business. I could put a notice on the company fridge that says no pork or shellfish allowed inside, and if someone violated that clear restriction, I could reasonably fire them. If you are speaking of a place of business where you have employees, there are other rules that come into play, you do not have carte blanche. For example, you can be required to make reasonable accommodation for religious holidays, you can’t ask/require someone to put their life in jeopardy, there are OSHA requirements that must be met etc. Even if you are the sole proprietor and you own it 100%, there are still rules that you must abide by even if:
ITS MY FREAKING PROPERTY!
If you were to require that I sign a waiver of my rights to carry in my car to work for you, I would prolly invite you to pound sand and not work for you, that would be a deal breaker on principle.
Let’s just get away from the theoretical for a moment and look at practicality:
If you had an independent business and for some reason you had a bad feeling about a particular potential employee and wanted to make sure that he never had a firearm in his car, or on his person, while on your property – the reasonably prudent thing to do would be to not hire him in the first place. It is not prudent to render everyone there helpless in the presence of an armed intruder. IF you are one of those ninny’s who simply hates guns “because they kill people” and therefore you aren’t going to allow them on you property, then the terd-nozzles will find their way to your door and you/your employees will pay a heavy physical price. -
No, I’m not at all happy when someone insists my fundamental rights as a property owner are somehow trumped by their rights when they are on my property.
Then take your quarrel up with the authors of the CCL Law. Contact your Lege members and tell them you want it changed. Support candidates that want to change it.
Worked out just dandy for Ann Richards.
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No, I’m not at all happy when someone insists my fundamental rights as a property owner are somehow trumped by their rights when they are on my property.
Then take your quarrel up with the authors of the CCL Law. Contact your Lege members and tell them you want it changed. Support candidates that want to change it.
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Now I’m confused. Have you conceded that I indeed have a right to prohibit you from bringing guns on my property?
Never said you didn’t. I said you needed to take affirmative steps in order to secure them if you have made your property available to the public, as with a restaurant. I just didn’t mention purple paint or specifically worded signs. The legal concept remains the same. You have not right to abridge mine unless you take affirmative steps to assert yours. Until you do, my right to self protection trumps your right to exercise your bias against guns.
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Now I’m confused. Have you conceded that I indeed have a right to prohibit you from bringing guns on my property?
Never said you didn’t. I said you needed to take affirmative steps in order to secure them if you have made your property available to the public, as with a restaurant. I just didn’t mention purple paint or specifically worded signs. The legal concept remains the same. You have not right to abridge mine unless you take affirmative steps to assert yours. Until you do, my right to self protection trumps your right to exercise your bias against guns.
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Let’s look at this issue from a practical standpoint: Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car? If I had a business with employees, and I had questions about an individual and a firearm, I would find a reason to get rid of that employee and leave the rest alone.
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Let’s look at this issue from a practical standpoint: Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car? If I had a business with employees, and I had questions about an individual and a firearm, I would find a reason to get rid of that employee and leave the rest alone.
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Bonez
If you were to require that I sign a waiver of my rights to carry in my car to work for you, I would prolly invite you to pound sand and not work for you, that would be a deal breaker on principle.
And there in lies our point. You can stay or leave. You do not HAVE to be employed with someone with that requirement. It is their choice to. You are a reasonable man. Do you really believe it is reasonable to petition the legislators for a law to make a person bend to your “rights”. BTW there is no law that says you have to own much less carry a gun.
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Bonez
If you were to require that I sign a waiver of my rights to carry in my car to work for you, I would prolly invite you to pound sand and not work for you, that would be a deal breaker on principle.
And there in lies our point. You can stay or leave. You do not HAVE to be employed with someone with that requirement. It is their choice to. You are a reasonable man. Do you really believe it is reasonable to petition the legislators for a law to make a person bend to your “rights”. BTW there is no law that says you have to own much less carry a gun.
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Bonez
Let’s look at this issue from a practical standpoint: Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car?
Nope
But as in freedom of speech, I may not like what you say but i will defend your right to say it. I will defend the persons right to be the sole determinator (is that a word) of what goes on in their property.
I have railed about and stayed constant over the years concerning the anarchy of the masses to lord of the individual. Sooner or later that crap is going to come to my home. It has already affected my business. Some group starts screaming that my daily business can harm them or some populist senator thinks it is a good idea to levy more laws on how I govern my business. No thank you I am not changing my mind on this.
My ability and your ability to determine how our business and home are run is paramount to everything else. We should be the sole arbiter of those decisions. The fact this was taken to the point of a law being enacted/considered tells me I am right.
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Bonez
Let’s look at this issue from a practical standpoint: Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car?
Nope
But as in freedom of speech, I may not like what you say but i will defend your right to say it. I will defend the persons right to be the sole determinator (is that a word) of what goes on in their property.
I have railed about and stayed constant over the years concerning the anarchy of the masses to lord of the individual. Sooner or later that crap is going to come to my home. It has already affected my business. Some group starts screaming that my daily business can harm them or some populist senator thinks it is a good idea to levy more laws on how I govern my business. No thank you I am not changing my mind on this.
My ability and your ability to determine how our business and home are run is paramount to everything else. We should be the sole arbiter of those decisions. The fact this was taken to the point of a law being enacted/considered tells me I am right. -
Until you do, my right to self protection trumps your right to exercise your bias against guns.
Oh puhlease SARGE
PUHLEASE show me ANYWHERE IN THIS DISCUSSION where we have shown a bias against guns.
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Oh puhlease SARGE
PUHLEASE show me ANYWHERE IN THIS DISCUSSION where we have shown a bias against guns.Anyone who says they don’t want guns on their property is is exercising a bias against guns and gun ownership. The “your” their was figurative, which is pretty much obvious. Nobody here owns a restaurant either, but I;ve been referring to “your” restaurant.
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Oh puhlease SARGE
PUHLEASE show me ANYWHERE IN THIS DISCUSSION where we have shown a bias against guns.Anyone who says they don’t want guns on their property is is exercising a bias against guns and gun ownership. The “your” their was figurative, which is pretty much obvious. Nobody here owns a restaurant either, but I;ve been referring to “your” restaurant.
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#127 Squawk:
Let’s look at this issue from a practical standpoint: Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car?
Nope WE HAVE REACHED UNDERSTANDING!
But as in freedom of speech, I may not like what you say but i will defend your right to say it. I will defend the persons right to be the sole determinator (is that a word) of what goes on in their property.This entire argument/discussion falls into the category of arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In theory, we have disagreement, in practice, we are sharing the ammo and perforating zombies.
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#127 Squawk:
Let’s look at this issue from a practical standpoint: Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car?
Nope WE HAVE REACHED UNDERSTANDING!
But as in freedom of speech, I may not like what you say but i will defend your right to say it. I will defend the persons right to be the sole determinator (is that a word) of what goes on in their property.This entire argument/discussion falls into the category of arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In theory, we have disagreement, in practice, we are sharing the ammo and perforating zombies.
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Anybody care to discuss something of more import that has a direct affect on our lives?
Corrupt politicians making themselves rich, for instance.
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Anybody care to discuss something of more import that has a direct affect on our lives?
Corrupt politicians making themselves rich, for instance. -
Bonez
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Actually I knew you understood and I understand yer pernt 2. -
Bonez
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Actually I knew you understood and I understand yer pernt 2. -
Then take your quarrel up with the authors of the CCL Law. Contact your Lege members and tell them you want it changed. Support candidates that want to change it.
What the heck are you even talking about??? The CCL law backs up my argument! I don’t want it changed. It grants private property owners a right to exclude.
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Then take your quarrel up with the authors of the CCL Law. Contact your Lege members and tell them you want it changed. Support candidates that want to change it.
What the heck are you even talking about??? The CCL law backs up my argument! I don’t want it changed. It grants private property owners a right to exclude.
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Serge’
Anyone who says they don’t want guns on their property is is exercising a bias against guns and gun ownership.
Yeah Serge’ I knew what you meant. Hypocrite.
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Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car?
Of course not! In fact, I’ve been lobbying my employers since Texas passed a CCL that their policy needs to be revised, not only to allow us to keep guns in our vehicles, but to allow us to carry them on our persons if we have a CCL. Frankly, I think you’d be a fool to keep a gun in your vehicle in this neighborhood but that’s another matter.
But that’s not really the point. The question is: Should a private property owner be forced to surrender his property rights on his own property because someone else doesn’t want to abide by his rules?
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Hamous or Squawk, if you owned a business, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm in their car?
Of course not! In fact, I’ve been lobbying my employers since Texas passed a CCL that their policy needs to be revised, not only to allow us to keep guns in our vehicles, but to allow us to carry them on our persons if we have a CCL. Frankly, I think you’d be a fool to keep a gun in your vehicle in this neighborhood but that’s another matter.
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What the heck are you even talking about??? The CCL law backs up my argument! I don’t want it changed. It grants private property owners a right to exclude.
We find ourselves in violent agreement.
I just go further in stating that it is the property owner who has to take affirmative steps in order to assert those rights. If he does not, the right of the gun owner trumps his right to keep guns off his property.Serge’
Anyone who says they don’t want guns on their property is is exercising a bias against guns and gun ownership.
Yeah Serge’ I knew what you meant. Hypocrite.
You’re going to have to prove that it is logical and reasonable to assume that guns are inherently dangerous in order to make the case that I’m a hypocrite.
Otherwise, a property owner is exercising a bias. Nothing wrong with that, but let’s call a spade a spade.
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SC,
You are a draftsman, no? Feel free to get my email address if you have any interest in electrical / instrumentation design. I could sure use some help around here.
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SC,
You are a draftsman, no? Feel free to get my email address if you have any interest in electrical / instrumentation design. I could sure use some help around here. -
Should a private property owner be forced to surrender his property rights on his own property because someone else doesn’t want to abide by his rules?
When two rights conflict, as they do in this case, which one should trump?
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Should a private property owner be forced to surrender his property rights on his own property because someone else doesn’t want to abide by his rules?
When two rights conflict, as they do in this case, which one should trump?
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I just go further in stating that it is the property owner who has to take affirmative steps in order to assert those rights. If he does not, the right of the gun owner trumps his right to keep guns off his property.
Holy cow. You started out saying gun owner rights trump private property owner rights period end of story. Next you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights when he reaches the door of the establishment. Then you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights if there’s a fence and a gate. Now you’re right where I started to begin with, which is the property owner lets it be known he doesn’t allow weapons on his private property.
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I just go further in stating that it is the property owner who has to take affirmative steps in order to assert those rights. If he does not, the right of the gun owner trumps his right to keep guns off his property.
Holy cow. You started out saying gun owner rights trump private property owner rights period end of story. Next you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights when he reaches the door of the establishment. Then you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights if there’s a fence and a gate. Now you’re right where I started to begin with, which is the property owner lets it be known he doesn’t allow weapons on his private property.
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#137 dooooooodsicle:
SC,
You are a draftsman, no? Feel free to get my email address if you have any interest in electrical / instrumentation design. I could sure use some help around here.
Reaching out to help a fellow hamsteronianite in need, the success of which will greatly benefit both parties: NOW THAT IS WHAT A FORUM FOR OPEN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS IS ALL ABOUT! BRAVO!
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#137 dooooooodsicle:
SC,
You are a draftsman, no? Feel free to get my email address if you have any interest in electrical / instrumentation design. I could sure use some help around here.Reaching out to help a fellow hamsteronianite in need, the success of which will greatly benefit both parties: NOW THAT IS WHAT A FORUM FOR OPEN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS IS ALL ABOUT! BRAVO!
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You’re going to have to prove that it is logical and reasonable to assume that guns are inherently dangerous in order to make the case that I’m a hypocrite.
Otherwise, a property owner is exercising a bias. Nothing wrong with that, but let’s call a spade a spade.
Do you think guns are inherently dangerous and therefore reasonable and prudent for someone to keep them off his property?Once again Serge’ you have shown that you cannot
1. Make a coherent argument
2. Comprehend the little blacks words I have typed.
3. Prove your assertions via law, case law or constitutional law.
My argument has not been about what I feel about weapons.
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Reflecting on the last few days of threads, I have to laugh at the parting words I received from a blithering idiot: “Have fun in your echo chamber, douchebag!”
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Reflecting on the last few days of threads, I have to laugh at the parting words I received from a blithering idiot: “Have fun in your echo chamber, douchebag!”
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#125 Pyro
Delightful — I needed the refresher too. Thanks!
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Wow Hammie
I am jealous. I got the “echo chamber” but no douchebag. i got the douchebag but no echo chamber. You got em all in one. How cool is that? -
Wow Hammie
I am jealous. I got the “echo chamber” but no douchebag. i got the douchebag but no echo chamber. You got em all in one. How cool is that? -
#127 Squawk
sole determinator (is that a word)
Howz about “the decider” ?
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#127 Squawk
sole determinator (is that a word)
Howz about “the decider” ?
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#142 hamous
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#142 hamous
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My argument has not been about what I feel about weapons.
Never said it was. Did say that anybody who wants to keep guns off his property is exercising a bias, though.
Your argument has been the same old group think and again you have shown you cannot think for yourself.
I’m fairly comfortable being in the majority on this one, yes.
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My argument has not been about what I feel about weapons.
Never said it was. Did say that anybody who wants to keep guns off his property is exercising a bias, though.
Your argument has been the same old group think and again you have shown you cannot think for yourself.
I’m fairly comfortable being in the majority on this one, yes.
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mharper
THAT IS IT!!!!! 😉
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mharper
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#144 SQUAWK:
Wow Hammie
I am jealous. I got the “echo chamber” but no douchebag. i got the douchebag but no echo chamber. You got em all in one. How cool is that?The only thing better would be the gracious “terd-nozzle” for completion.
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#144 SQUAWK:
Wow Hammie
I am jealous. I got the “echo chamber” but no douchebag. i got the douchebag but no echo chamber. You got em all in one. How cool is that?The only thing better would be the gracious “terd-nozzle” for completion.
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Holy cow. You started out saying gun owner rights trump private property owner rights period end of story. Next you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights when he reaches the door of the establishment. Then you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights if there’s a fence and a gate. Now you’re right where I started to begin with, which is the property owner lets it be known he doesn’t allow weapons on his private property.
Again, I ask:
When two rights conflict, as they do in this case, which one should trump?
Because every time two rights conflict, one trumps another.
In this case, its the gun owners rights that trump, because he is not the one that has to go to any further lengths in order to carry everywhere he wants to within the law.
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Holy cow. You started out saying gun owner rights trump private property owner rights period end of story. Next you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights when he reaches the door of the establishment. Then you moved on to gun owner rights trump private property owner rights if there’s a fence and a gate. Now you’re right where I started to begin with, which is the property owner lets it be known he doesn’t allow weapons on his private property.
Again, I ask:
When two rights conflict, as they do in this case, which one should trump?
Because every time two rights conflict, one trumps another.
In this case, its the gun owners rights that trump, because he is not the one that has to go to any further lengths in order to carry everywhere he wants to within the law. -
This just doesn’t sit right with me.
A new national alert system is set to begin in New York City that will alert the public to emergencies via cell phones.
It’s called the Personal Localized Alert Network or PLAN. Presidential and local emergency messages as well as Amber Alerts would appear on cell phones equipped with special chips and software.
/snip
For now, the alerts are capable on certain high-end cell phones but starting next year, all cell phones will be required to have the chip that receives alerts.
By the end of the year, the new system will be in place in New York City and Washington and in cities around the country by the end of 2012.More intrusion by big bro. Can anyone reasonably assume that we will not be tracked with this technology? Can anyone reasonably assume the the term “emergency” is very fluid in its meaning? Can anyone reasonably assume that the system will not be used to transmit propaganda or be heavily skewed at best?
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This just doesn’t sit right with me.
A new national alert system is set to begin in New York City that will alert the public to emergencies via cell phones.
It’s called the Personal Localized Alert Network or PLAN. Presidential and local emergency messages as well as Amber Alerts would appear on cell phones equipped with special chips and software.
/snip
For now, the alerts are capable on certain high-end cell phones but starting next year, all cell phones will be required to have the chip that receives alerts.
By the end of the year, the new system will be in place in New York City and Washington and in cities around the country by the end of 2012.More intrusion by big bro. Can anyone reasonably assume that we will not be tracked with this technology? Can anyone reasonably assume the the term “emergency” is very fluid in its meaning? Can anyone reasonably assume that the system will not be used to transmit propaganda or be heavily skewed at best?
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#91 squawk, the construction market is sucking wind right now but we were hanging on ok. There was no explanation, just you have no position thanks for your loyalty here is youe severance adios. Not what I would have expected for an organization that is almost like family after so many years. I’ve had two interviews so and expect more. It’s funnynobody talked about me so good when I had a job as they do now. should be OK. Might haver a little more time to lurk around here for at least a short while.Still looking for some more Pics at your place.
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#91 squawk, the construction market is sucking wind right now but we were hanging on ok. There was no explanation, just you have no position thanks for your loyalty here is youe severance adios. Not what I would have expected for an organization that is almost like family after so many years. I’ve had two interviews so and expect more. It’s funnynobody talked about me so good when I had a job as they do now. should be OK. Might haver a little more time to lurk around here for at least a short while.Still looking for some more Pics at your place.
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SC – you might have email.
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SC – you might have email.
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SC—
What kind of construction were you in? do you have any structural steel experience?
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#93 Hammy. water and wastewater construction, like $100,000 to 8.5 mil. Got irons in the fire
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#93 Hammy. water and wastewater construction, like $100,000 to 8.5 mil. Got irons in the fire
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No sarge very little. All that was subbed. I watched that from the sidelines.
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No sarge very little. All that was subbed. I watched that from the sidelines.
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#153 yes I do but don’t yet know what it means. I have a lot of interest and the industry is just finding out. still trying to get my head around it. I haven’t actually had to look for a job for 35 years. I just figured out that most of my references from my last resume may not even be alive. I just appreciate that some one cares.
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#153 yes I do but don’t yet know what it means. I have a lot of interest and the industry is just finding out. still trying to get my head around it. I haven’t actually had to look for a job for 35 years. I just figured out that most of my references from my last resume may not even be alive. I just appreciate that some one cares.
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…in order to carry everywhere he wants to within the law.
And the law says private property owners have the right to prohibit him on their property. So it turns out we’re in full agreement.
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…in order to carry everywhere he wants to within the law.
And the law says private property owners have the right to prohibit him on their property. So it turns out we’re in full agreement.
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Oh, I paraphrased the parting words. The exact quote is:
Enjoy your cowardly echo chamber, douche bag.
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Oh, I paraphrased the parting words. The exact quote is:
Enjoy your cowardly echo chamber, douche bag.
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And the law says private property owners have the right to prohibit him on their property. So it turns out we’re in full agreement.
But the crux of the biskit is, unless the property owner does something affirmative, the gun owner’s rights trump those of the property owner.
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And the law says private property owners have the right to prohibit him on their property. So it turns out we’re in full agreement.
But the crux of the biskit is, unless the property owner does something affirmative, the gun owner’s rights trump those of the property owner.
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Again, that’s exactly where I started this whole sorted debate. Glad to see you join the party.
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Again, that’s exactly where I started this whole sorted debate. Glad to see you join the party.
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May 10, 2011 at 5:11 pmAgain, that’s exactly where I started this whole sorted debate. Glad to see you join the party.
I was arguing more against Squawk’s “If you exercise your right to carry a gun on anybody’s property who doesn’t want it you’re a Liberal who doesn’t respect property rights and I’ll send my truck driving friends over to mess up your lawn to prove it.” argument.
Yours just got mixed up in the process.
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161 Hamous says:
May 10, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Again, that’s exactly where I started this whole sorted debate. Glad to see you join the party.I was arguing more against Squawk’s “If you exercise your right to carry a gun on anybody’s property who doesn’t want it you’re a Liberal who doesn’t respect property rights and I’ll send my truck driving friends over to mess up your lawn to prove it.” argument.
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Am I correct in assuming that bobo can still read here, he just can’t login and comment? I can only imagine how he longs to post again and insult everyone.
Hi bobo. Sux to be you.
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Am I correct in assuming that bobo can still read here, he just can’t login and comment? I can only imagine how he longs to post again and insult everyone.
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#96, Wagonburner,
I remember something similar. We started with lung propelled objects. That lead to launching objects with the air compressor from the electrical room through underground conduits. A little soap really let those projectiles get up to speed. Or fill the conduits with water and watch a geyser drench unfortunates. We had stuff flying across Hwy 6 once. If a ceiling was above the conduit/smoothbore, the ‘WHAP’ of a wad of puddy hitting it made folks jump. Then there were acetylene mortars. Probably more stuff I can’t recall. OSHA was such a killjoy. -
#96, Wagonburner,
I remember something similar. We started with lung propelled objects. That lead to launching objects with the air compressor from the electrical room through underground conduits. A little soap really let those projectiles get up to speed. Or fill the conduits with water and watch a geyser drench unfortunates. We had stuff flying across Hwy 6 once. If a ceiling was above the conduit/smoothbore, the ‘WHAP’ of a wad of puddy hitting it made folks jump. Then there were acetylene mortars. Probably more stuff I can’t recall. OSHA was such a killjoy. -
SC, good luck with your job hunt. It’s a shock to be let go, but I expect you will always find a spot to rest up here at Hammy’s.
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SC, good luck with your job hunt. It’s a shock to be let go, but I expect you will always find a spot to rest up here at Hammy’s.
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#163 I know I kinda started it but let’s not taunt 😉
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#163 I know I kinda started it but let’s not taunt 😉
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Don’t be spiking the football Serge’. That is not what I said and in the midst of all this banter it is not what you said. And sorry Charlie you are still wrong. No one has to do some proactive crap as you say.
Mr Patrick has produced a bill removing the rights of private owners namely the refineries to keep weapons off their property.
Ya keep on chasing them rabbits Serge’.
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Don’t be spiking the football Serge’. That is not what I said and in the midst of all this banter it is not what you said. And sorry Charlie you are still wrong. No one has to do some proactive crap as you say.
Mr Patrick has produced a bill removing the rights of private owners namely the refineries to keep weapons off their property.
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Bonecrusher #39;
It was kind of grotesque but a lot of fun
That part struck me as funny. 🙂
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Bonecrusher #39;
It was kind of grotesque but a lot of fun
That part struck me as funny. 🙂
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#66;
Guess I oughta apologize to Bob42
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo, don’t do it.
Sorry, indigestion.
(I agree with Squawk and Hamous entirely. Their posts are pretty much what I thought of after reading Katfish’s inquiry)
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Guess I oughta apologize to Bob42
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo, don’t do it.
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Bones, were you hunting cockroaches with a dartgun indoors or outside? Jest wonderin’…
I had put out some bread cut up into little squares out on the patio one night for a raccoon that was a regular visitor. I happened to be looking out when the critter arrived and saw a huge tree roach crawling on his bread squares. He brushed the roach off, grabbed a handful of bread and started chewing. Then he grabbed the roach and ate it too.
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Bones, were you hunting cockroaches with a dartgun indoors or outside? Jest wonderin’…
I had put out some bread cut up into little squares out on the patio one night for a raccoon that was a regular visitor. I happened to be looking out when the critter arrived and saw a huge tree roach crawling on his bread squares. He brushed the roach off, grabbed a handful of bread and started chewing. Then he grabbed the roach and ate it too. -
Hi bobo. Sux to be you
Let’s not taunt
I for one thought it was pretty funny.
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Hi bobo. Sux to be you
Let’s not taunt
I for one thought it was pretty funny.
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Then there were acetylene mortars. Probably more stuff I can’t recall. OSHA was such a killjoy.
I know what you mean. I miss the days when I demonstrated chemical incompatibilities to new employees with a few crystals of potassium permanganate and a few drops of glycerin.
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Then there were acetylene mortars. Probably more stuff I can’t recall. OSHA was such a killjoy.
I know what you mean. I miss the days when I demonstrated chemical incompatibilities to new employees with a few crystals of potassium permanganate and a few drops of glycerin.
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Squawk #88;
[Money, money, money] How much are Bill and Harold willing to pay to rent out my yard?
Oh, wait, the
HOMOHomeowners Association may not like semis on the yard./sigh, I need a hug
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Squawk #88;
[Money, money, money] How much are Bill and Harold willing to pay to rent out my yard?
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Mr Patrick has produced a bill removing the rights of private owners namely the refineries to keep weapons off their property.
I’d be interested to see the bill. Seeing as how the session is over, I doubt he just introduced it.
Unless he’s changed his name to Hegar.
With a voice vote, the House passed Senate Bill 321, which was sponsored by Rep. Tim Kleinschmidt, R-Lexington. Before the debate, he had swapped out his similar House version for the Senate bill, which has already passed the upper chamber. The measure would prohibit employers from banning guns in their employees’ vehicles that are parked at work.
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The author, Sen. Glenn Hegar, R-Katy, said he pursued the issue unsuccessfully the past two sessions but that he thinks his bill will ultimately pass this time.
Now I do know that Sen. Patrick did vote for that bill in the Senate, because it passed on a 30-1 vote, and it passed in the Senate for the third time, and I do support him on that, and MY Senator explains why:
State law already allows Texans to carry concealed handguns in their vehicles, with some restrictions, though many employers have adopted policies barring weapons their workers leave in their vehicles.
“There’s a fear that law-abiding citizens have to pick between their jobs and their Second Amendment rights,” said bill author Sen. Glenn Hegar, R-Katy.
Now you may think that my employer’s property rights trumps my 2nd Amendment Rights, but we’ll just agree to disagree on that, although given the margin of victory in the Senate and ther fact the bill passed on a voice vote in the House, you’ll be in a minority among your peers. I guess that’s “group think”.
Another interesting part of the bill is this:
The bill contains some exceptions for the oil and gas industry. The bill says employees of an oil and gas company may not keep guns in their vehicles while at a lease if the lease prohibits it. It also says that only workers with concealed handgun licenses may have firearms in their vehicles when parked in detached, unsecured lots and that no firearms would be allowed in lots at refineries because of the potential for explosions.
Looks like you’re wrong on two counts, there Squawk.
And it still allows restaurant owners and other business people to restrict guns from thier property, provided they take the affirmative step of erecting proper signage.
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Mr Patrick has produced a bill removing the rights of private owners namely the refineries to keep weapons off their property.
I’d be interested to see the bill. Seeing as how the session is over, I doubt he just introduced it.
Unless he’s changed his name to Hegar.With a voice vote, the House passed Senate Bill 321, which was sponsored by Rep. Tim Kleinschmidt, R-Lexington. Before the debate, he had swapped out his similar House version for the Senate bill, which has already passed the upper chamber. The measure would prohibit employers from banning guns in their employees’ vehicles that are parked at work.
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The author, Sen. Glenn Hegar, R-Katy, said he pursued the issue unsuccessfully the past two sessions but that he thinks his bill will ultimately pass this time.Now I do know that Sen. Patrick did vote for that bill in the Senate, because it passed on a 30-1 vote, and it passed in the Senate for the third time, and I do support him on that, and MY Senator explains why:
State law already allows Texans to carry concealed handguns in their vehicles, with some restrictions, though many employers have adopted policies barring weapons their workers leave in their vehicles.
“There’s a fear that law-abiding citizens have to pick between their jobs and their Second Amendment rights,” said bill author Sen. Glenn Hegar, R-Katy.Now you may think that my employer’s property rights trumps my 2nd Amendment Rights, but we’ll just agree to disagree on that, although given the margin of victory in the Senate and ther fact the bill passed on a voice vote in the House, you’ll be in a minority among your peers. I guess that’s “group think”.
Another interesting part of the bill is this:The bill contains some exceptions for the oil and gas industry. The bill says employees of an oil and gas company may not keep guns in their vehicles while at a lease if the lease prohibits it. It also says that only workers with concealed handgun licenses may have firearms in their vehicles when parked in detached, unsecured lots and that no firearms would be allowed in lots at refineries because of the potential for explosions.
Looks like you’re wrong on two counts, there Squawk.
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Sports to the left of me (740 AM),
Sports to the right (1070 AM)
Here I am, stuck in the middle with Savage (950 AM)🙁
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Sports to the left of me (740 AM),
Sports to the right (1070 AM)
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Is it OK to spike the football now?
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Is it OK to spike the football now?
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Celebrate your inner Floridian and get one of these. It really works and mosquitoes go up in a puff of smoke. Watch friends you once thought normal chasing bugs across the patio.
http://www.amazon.com/BugKwikZap-Trademarked-Zapper-Electric-Swatter/dp/B002ON0GK0
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Celebrate your inner Floridian and get one of these. It really works and mosquitoes go up in a puff of smoke. Watch friends you once thought normal chasing bugs across the patio.
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Sarge;
If General Petreus called you and said we must search all non-Muslim’s cars before they park in a mosque’s parking lot, would you comply?
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I gotta stop bitterly clinging to my gun rights.
Might make the Tea Party look bad.
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Sarge;
If General Petreus called you and said we must search all non-Muslim’s cars before they park in a mosque’s parking lot, would you comply?
As with an employer who says that I have to relinquish my gun rights or lose my job, I’d say there would have to be due process involved that has a very good basis in a verifiable threat that any prudent person would regard as credible.
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Sarge;
If General Petreus called you and said we must search all non-Muslim’s cars before they park in a mosque’s parking lot, would you comply?As with an employer who says that I have to relinquish my gun rights or lose my job, I’d say there would have to be due process involved that has a very good basis in a verifiable threat that any prudent person would regard as credible.
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#172, Hamous,
We just held the valve open, counted to ten (or more), and used the striker. The chemical reaction was beyond us. It just went boom. -
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Hasn’t the argument
“It doesn’t matter what the majority wants as long as I think somebody’s rights have been violated.”
been pretty much discredited here by now?
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BTW—-,
Hasn’t the argument“It doesn’t matter what the majority wants as long as I think somebody’s rights have been violated.”
been pretty much discredited here by now?
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Is it OK to spike the foorball now?
I guess, if you think legislation that lets the government infringe selectively on who maintains their property rights and who doesn’t, spike away.
And just so we’re clear, the suggestion by business groups that this will increase workplace violence is bogus. That’s not at all the point. The point is what I can and can’t allow on MY property; not your property; not the government’s property; MY property.
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Is it OK to spike the foorball now?
I guess, if you think legislation that lets the government infringe selectively on who maintains their property rights and who doesn’t, spike away.
And just so we’re clear, the suggestion by business groups that this will increase workplace violence is bogus. That’s not at all the point. The point is what I can and can’t allow on MY property; not your property; not the government’s property; MY property. -
In the wake of bloody Muslim attacks on Egyptian Christians, the New York Times informs us:
“By lifting the heavy hand of the Mubarak police state, the revolution unleashed long-suppressed sectarian animosities that have burst out with increasing ferocity….”
No kidding! Did you think a single Egyptian Christian didn’t know this in February? Why didn’t the media report or the U.S. government understand that this was absolutely inevitable and predictable? But the only mentions of Christians were to claim that they were really enthusiastic about the revolution.
The remaining Christians in most of the Arabic-speaking world may be on the edge of flight or extinction. All of the Christians have left the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip which is, in effect, an Islamist republic. They are leaving the West Bank. Half have departed from an increasingly Islamist-oriented Iraq where they are under terrorist attack. Within a few years they might all be gone.
to answer what i marked in bold is: (a) The O administration is pathetically stupid or (b) the O administration wanted this result. As for the media, they have not reported this because they are (a) incredibly stupid) and/or (b) willing accomplices with the O administration.
“Joe biden is Israel’s best friend”
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In the wake of bloody Muslim attacks on Egyptian Christians, the New York Times informs us:
“By lifting the heavy hand of the Mubarak police state, the revolution unleashed long-suppressed sectarian animosities that have burst out with increasing ferocity….”
No kidding! Did you think a single Egyptian Christian didn’t know this in February? Why didn’t the media report or the U.S. government understand that this was absolutely inevitable and predictable? But the only mentions of Christians were to claim that they were really enthusiastic about the revolution.
The remaining Christians in most of the Arabic-speaking world may be on the edge of flight or extinction. All of the Christians have left the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip which is, in effect, an Islamist republic. They are leaving the West Bank. Half have departed from an increasingly Islamist-oriented Iraq where they are under terrorist attack. Within a few years they might all be gone.to answer what i marked in bold is: (a) The O administration is pathetically stupid or (b) the O administration wanted this result. As for the media, they have not reported this because they are (a) incredibly stupid) and/or (b) willing accomplices with the O administration.
“Joe biden is Israel’s best friend”
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¡Doscientos!
Oh, wait, not yet. 😳
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Are we at 200 yet?
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Are we at 200 yet?
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Hamous’ website can only pass 200 for the second time (that I know of) once.
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Hamous’ website can only pass 200 for the second time (that I know of) once.
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I need some ice water.
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I need some ice water.
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Ahhhhh. Ice and water. Two of God’s greatest inventions.
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Ahhhhh. Ice and water. Two of God’s greatest inventions.
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OK gang, back to reality for a minute. The debt ceiling issue continues to make news as Speaker Bonner seems to grow a pair and talk tough about some budget cuts before any increases to the debt ceiling are passed. Here’s the problem as I see it – Regardless of what the demands the Speaker may put forth are, the signal he is sending is that the debt ceiling issue is negotiable. So long as we are willing to continue to raise the debt ceiling, the excessive spending will not stop – no one has the courage to step up and start cutting, and after all the bluster of future promises to hold the line, once the pressure is off and the ceiling is raised, it’s back to business as usual. Until the credit card is maxed out and there are no more limit increases, spending will continue and no effort to prioritize expenses will be made.
Therefore, despite all the tough talk, he is willing to increase the debt ceiling – that’s the bottom line. Where will it stop? Apparently not with this Republican Speaker. Now if I were a politician, I might just be tempted to say to the Administration (and the other Dems) “no mas.” Here’s the limit – spend it how you see fit. That would force the tough decision of where to make cuts over to the other side, and while they would whine and cry and put up a lot of crippled babies for props, the Reps should be able to weather the storm with a counter offensive of just how broke we are.
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OK gang, back to reality for a minute. The debt ceiling issue continues to make news as Speaker Bonner seems to grow a pair and talk tough about some budget cuts before any increases to the debt ceiling are passed. Here’s the problem as I see it – Regardless of what the demands the Speaker may put forth are, the signal he is sending is that the debt ceiling issue is negotiable. So long as we are willing to continue to raise the debt ceiling, the excessive spending will not stop – no one has the courage to step up and start cutting, and after all the bluster of future promises to hold the line, once the pressure is off and the ceiling is raised, it’s back to business as usual. Until the credit card is maxed out and there are no more limit increases, spending will continue and no effort to prioritize expenses will be made.
Therefore, despite all the tough talk, he is willing to increase the debt ceiling – that’s the bottom line. Where will it stop? Apparently not with this Republican Speaker. Now if I were a politician, I might just be tempted to say to the Administration (and the other Dems) “no mas.” Here’s the limit – spend it how you see fit. That would force the tough decision of where to make cuts over to the other side, and while they would whine and cry and put up a lot of crippled babies for props, the Reps should be able to weather the storm with a counter offensive of just how broke we are. -
Let’s approach this from a different angle. Not the 2nd Amendment but the 1st Amendment. The one that comes before the 2nd. You have a right to march into your employer’s office first thing in the morning and tell him what a lowdown, scum-sucking, monkey-diddling, POS he really is (or what a lying, unconstant succubus she really is). The 1st Amendment guarantees you that right. It doesn’t extend to guaranteeing you a job when you finish, and you’ll probably be escorted out the door immediately. Were your rights violated? Only a fool would think so.
How is the 2nd Amendment and its application any different? Your employer has a policy of no guns on private company property. You accept this policy as a condition of your employment, then violate it and get fired. You still have your 2nd Amendment rights, you just don’t have a job, but the 2nd Amendment doesn’t guarantee you a job.
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Let’s approach this from a different angle. Not the 2nd Amendment but the 1st Amendment. The one that comes before the 2nd. You have a right to march into your employer’s office first thing in the morning and tell him what a lowdown, scum-sucking, monkey-diddling, POS he really is (or what a lying, unconstant succubus she really is). The 1st Amendment guarantees you that right. It doesn’t extend to guaranteeing you a job when you finish, and you’ll probably be escorted out the door immediately. Were your rights violated? Only a fool would think so.
How is the 2nd Amendment and its application any different? Your employer has a policy of no guns on private company property. You accept this policy as a condition of your employment, then violate it and get fired. You still have your 2nd Amendment rights, you just don’t have a job, but the 2nd Amendment doesn’t guarantee you a job. -
HIBWP (Headlines if Bush were President)
Bush Policies Cause Stewarts to Seek Secession
.TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.
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HIBWP (Headlines if Bush were President)
Bush Policies Cause Stewarts to Seek Secession.TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.
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#165 mharper thanks I am lucky enough to have some choices. Two already and maybe more. I actually feel pretty good about this as the shock wears off. My better half is the prayer. Everyone I know in the industry says this will be better on the other side. After all this time and being trated so well for so long I can’t imagine but I am finding I have a lot of friends.
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#165 mharper thanks I am lucky enough to have some choices. Two already and maybe more. I actually feel pretty good about this as the shock wears off. My better half is the prayer. Everyone I know in the industry says this will be better on the other side. After all this time and being trated so well for so long I can’t imagine but I am finding I have a lot of friends.
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Bashir took issue against Tancredo for suggesting that he (Bashir) would have condemned Bush of assassination against bin Laden and then asks Tancredo if he (Tancredo) would prefer the killing of President Obama over bin Laden. And this apparently was Bashir’s prepared question for Tancredo.
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Bashir took issue against Tancredo for suggesting that he (Bashir) would have condemned Bush of assassination against bin Laden and then asks Tancredo if he (Tancredo) would prefer the killing of President Obama over bin Laden. And this apparently was Bashir’s prepared question for Tancredo.
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#175 Darren
stuck in the middle with Savage
Not a bad place to be…
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#175 Darren
stuck in the middle with Savage
Not a bad place to be…
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stuck in the middle with Savage
Beware of flying spittle.
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stuck in the middle with Savage
Beware of flying spittle.
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And the vultures wait….
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And the vultures wait….
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I haven’t caught Doc Savage in a long time due to my schedule and when he is on. I get the flying spittle, but not the vulture reference. Explanation?
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I haven’t caught Doc Savage in a long time due to my schedule and when he is on. I get the flying spittle, but not the vulture reference. Explanation?
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Look at your post number.
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dangit
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#170 Mharper:
Bones, were you hunting cockroaches with a dartgun indoors or outside? Jest wonderin’…
usually it was outside, sometimes I would bait the target area with an old pizza box. This is not meant to imply that if one of those nasty bastiges got in the apt he would not be pinned to the wall for a while. I used to have at least 3-6 batches of homebrew fermenting at any given time and on occaision had cockroaches pinned to the wall. . . . . . . I wonder why I never had many dates back to my appt for round 2???
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#170 Mharper:
Bones, were you hunting cockroaches with a dartgun indoors or outside? Jest wonderin’…
usually it was outside, sometimes I would bait the target area with an old pizza box. This is not meant to imply that if one of those nasty bastiges got in the apt he would not be pinned to the wall for a while. I used to have at least 3-6 batches of homebrew fermenting at any given time and on occaision had cockroaches pinned to the wall. . . . . . . I wonder why I never had many dates back to my appt for round 2???
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And I promise I won’t perform my magic trick this time.
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And I promise I won’t perform my magic trick this time.
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#199 Pyro: that pic reminds me of the blacklight poster with the 2 vultures resting on an old dead tree branch, the caption was “patience my azz, I’m gonna kill something”.
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#199 Pyro: that pic reminds me of the blacklight poster with the 2 vultures resting on an old dead tree branch, the caption was “patience my azz, I’m gonna kill something”.
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Not a bad place to be…
Beware of flying spittle.
We celebrate diversity here on Hamous’ private property.
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Not a bad place to be…
Beware of flying spittle.
We celebrate diversity here on Hamous’ private property.
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#207 who hoo! I will check back in the am
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#207 who hoo! I will check back in the am
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A great debate. The terd throwing has been kept to a minimum.
This is hardly the first time there has been a collision of rights.At this point In the debate I am considering the fact that following the first amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech and freedom from a state sponsored religion, the brilliant framers of the Bill of Rights thought the most important issue to address was an individual’s right to to bear arms (and only recently and undefiably confirmed by the Supremes as an “individual right”).
The history of the Bill of Rights is an interesting one. It was a knockdowndrag out war. On one side was a group that thought the original Constitution was severely lacking in specific guarantees of specific individual protections from an over-reaching government. On the other side was the group that originally wanted George Washington to be seated on a throne.
Knowing I would be a passionate member of the first group, I tend to lean towards Sarge’s position in the broader debate of Concealed Carry lisencees vs. Private Land owners.
Bottom line is there must be a compromise reached between two legitimate right-bearers.
Letting me keep the gun in the car but not inside the buildings seems like a reasonable compromise.
I reserve the right to change my mind.
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A great debate. The terd throwing has been kept to a minimum.
This is hardly the first time there has been a collision of rights.
At this point In the debate I am considering the fact that following the first amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech and freedom from a state sponsored religion, the brilliant framers of the Bill of Rights thought the most important issue to address was an individual’s right to to bear arms (and only recently and undefiably confirmed by the Supremes as an “individual right”).
The history of the Bill of Rights is an interesting one. It was a knockdowndrag out war. On one side was a group that thought the original Constitution was severely lacking in specific guarantees of specific individual protections from an over-reaching government. On the other side was the group that originally wanted George Washington to be seated on a throne.
Knowing I would be a passionate member of the first group, I tend to lean towards Sarge’s position in the broader debate of Concealed Carry lisencees vs. Private Land owners.
Bottom line is there must be a compromise reached between two legitimate right-bearers.
Letting me keep the gun in the car but not inside the buildings seems like a reasonable compromise.
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But I disagree with with shoving politicians into the group that includes law enforcement and DAs and judges.
Sorry Sen. Patrick and Sen. Hagar, you’re just another Joe Six Pack who happens to be serving in the Lege.
Youse gotta take ya chances with the rest of us.
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But I disagree with with shoving politicians into the group that includes law enforcement and DAs and judges.
Sorry Sen. Patrick and Sen. Hagar, you’re just another Joe Six Pack who happens to be serving in the Lege.
Youse gotta take ya chances with the rest of us. -
Statistically speaking, are you safer serving in the military in Baghdad or living in the city limits of Houston, Texas?
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Statistically speaking, are you safer serving in the military in Baghdad or living in the city limits of Houston, Texas?
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Well, here it is, about 9:30, and I’m checking in after a busy day of running errands.
Cockroaches, homemade pyrotechnics, verbal pyrotechnics, guns, signs, missing idiots, lost job, hopeful jobs, breaking a blog barrier (kinda).
Dang, y’all been busy today!
I’m just gonna hang out here in the corner and get some more work done.
It’s safer over here.
Out of the way.
Of flying stuff. -
Well, here it is, about 9:30, and I’m checking in after a busy day of running errands.
Cockroaches, homemade pyrotechnics, verbal pyrotechnics, guns, signs, missing idiots, lost job, hopeful jobs, breaking a blog barrier (kinda).
Dang, y’all been busy today!
I’m just gonna hang out here in the corner and get some more work done.
It’s safer over here.
Out of the way.
Of flying stuff. -
According to President Passion Fingers, you’re safest in one of the border cities.
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According to President Passion Fingers, you’re safest in one of the border cities.
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Okay, I missed something. Where’d the “passion fingers” reference come from?
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Okay, I missed something. Where’d the “passion fingers” reference come from?
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Just came across a comment at BigGov:
“You need to back off on the clueless pills. The active ingredient accumulates in the brain. Just thought I’d pass that along.”
Dang, that reminds me of someone….who could it be????
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Just came across a comment at BigGov:
“You need to back off on the clueless pills. The active ingredient accumulates in the brain. Just thought I’d pass that along.”
Dang, that reminds me of someone….who could it be????
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Oh, man, more comments from BG. Those guys were crackin’ nuts today:
Once again your moronic vision impairs your thoughts. You’ve got to be the most delusioned clown living on the the demoplantation yet.You honestly believe you could survive without America’s conservative population? Obviously you either have not stepped out into life to earn a real living or you are just blowing smoke out your rear to feel better about yourself. I say all of the above.
I’ll take Texas over Detroit, Camden and da Bronx any day. I’ll even take a Texan border town over those cesspools because once Texas is in charge of defending its borders, it’ll actually get done.
Secede From The Progressive Union. Please take our Constitution and form the New United States of America. WALK AWAY and I WILL FOLLOW.
For anyone who follows my posts, I’ve talked along the same lines. I can see Texas and Arizona seceeding together. If Texas leads, more may follow.
So will I.
I would be in the car within an hour.
Colorado won’t be far behind, I assure you.
It looks like if Texas secedes, we could pick up some pretty good citizens!
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Oh, man, more comments from BG. Those guys were crackin’ nuts today:
Once again your moronic vision impairs your thoughts. You’ve got to be the most delusioned clown living on the the demoplantation yet.You honestly believe you could survive without America’s conservative population? Obviously you either have not stepped out into life to earn a real living or you are just blowing smoke out your rear to feel better about yourself. I say all of the above.
I’ll take Texas over Detroit, Camden and da Bronx any day. I’ll even take a Texan border town over those cesspools because once Texas is in charge of defending its borders, it’ll actually get done.
Secede From The Progressive Union. Please take our Constitution and form the New United States of America. WALK AWAY and I WILL FOLLOW.
For anyone who follows my posts, I’ve talked along the same lines. I can see Texas and Arizona seceeding together. If Texas leads, more may follow.
So will I.
I would be in the car within an hour.
Colorado won’t be far behind, I assure you.
It looks like if Texas secedes, we could pick up some pretty good citizens!
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TT, how did Bob find you on FB to ask you to friend him? I checked, and you are not findable on FB as Tedtam. I know that many of you met him in person at a Blog Wrangle at a park west of town last year — are real names used in that situation?
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TT, how did Bob find you on FB to ask you to friend him? I checked, and you are not findable on FB as Tedtam. I know that many of you met him in person at a Blog Wrangle at a park west of town last year — are real names used in that situation?
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Tim, Darren — let’s shoot for 300 tonight!
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Tim, Darren — let’s shoot for 300 tonight!
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Too funny! The comments are better than the story!
Stop it.
You guys are gonna make me take a cold shower.
Baseball…… Helen Thomas…….Jeneane Garofolo……
OK, it’s gone.
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Too funny! The comments are better than the story!
Stop it.
You guys are gonna make me take a cold shower.
Baseball…… Helen Thomas…….Jeneane Garofolo……
OK, it’s gone. -
#216 Mharper
I don’t know for sure. We did share our real names at the LST Memorial Picnic, but I can’t remember giving him my last name.
We really do need to get together again. That was a really, really nice day.
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#216 Mharper
I don’t know for sure. We did share our real names at the LST Memorial Picnic, but I can’t remember giving him my last name.
We really do need to get together again. That was a really, really nice day. -
Hey Texas, if those of us living in California can produce a long form birth certificate that shows we were born in Texas, do we get to come back?
heh heh heh
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Hey Texas, if those of us living in California can produce a long form birth certificate that shows we were born in Texas, do we get to come back?
heh heh heh
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No shuttle, no disaster relief, no educational funding (til Republicans changed the bill), and for his next act, he’s about to put a lizard on the endangered species act that will virtually shut down West Texas oil and gas production. That is when we will secede.
Noooooo……that’s when we’ll have a lizard hunt. They make reel purty watch bands :-))))
Don’t Mess With Texas.
I’m lovin’ these quotes. I should be working, but these are too much fun.
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No shuttle, no disaster relief, no educational funding (til Republicans changed the bill), and for his next act, he’s about to put a lizard on the endangered species act that will virtually shut down West Texas oil and gas production. That is when we will secede.
Noooooo……that’s when we’ll have a lizard hunt. They make reel purty watch bands :-))))
Don’t Mess With Texas.I’m lovin’ these quotes. I should be working, but these are too much fun.
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Engineers invented the word Boob:
B – top view
OO – front view
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Engineers invented the word Boob:
B – top view
OO – front view
b – side view -
I just found out that while one of our deacons and one of our priests (we have several here, as our parish has a formation house on campus) will be dunked with me on Sunday. Our pastor, however, is hightailing it out of town that weekend.
As one person commented, “How convenient”. 😉
Our priests are leaving our parish, though, come June 1st. The Society cannot afford to make repairs to the campus, some of which are Ike related, and our parish community is too apathetic to get off its collective wallet to pay our own bills. There’s a group of us who do what we can to support the church, but there are too many just waiting on someone else to pay for and take care of things for them.
Gee, I wonder where they learned THAT?
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I just found out that while one of our deacons and one of our priests (we have several here, as our parish has a formation house on campus) will be dunked with me on Sunday. Our pastor, however, is hightailing it out of town that weekend.
As one person commented, “How convenient”. 😉
Our priests are leaving our parish, though, come June 1st. The Society cannot afford to make repairs to the campus, some of which are Ike related, and our parish community is too apathetic to get off its collective wallet to pay our own bills. There’s a group of us who do what we can to support the church, but there are too many just waiting on someone else to pay for and take care of things for them.
Gee, I wonder where they learned THAT? -
#222 gjt
B – top view
OO – front view
b – side view (while standing on head)FIFY
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#222 gjt
B – top view
OO – front view
b – side view (while standing on head)FIFY
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You know those dang engineer types. Word shoulda been “Boop” I guess.
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You know those dang engineer types. Word shoulda been “Boop” I guess.
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Unless she has a big — a big — well, a big Obama. Do they make jeans that big?
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Unless she has a big — a big — well, a big Obama. Do they make jeans that big?
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What parish?
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What parish?
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Maybe it’s an old lady?
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Maybe it’s an old lady?
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Our Lady of Mt. Carmel
On Reed Road, on the north side of Sims Bayou, south of Bellfort, east of Mykawa, west of Telephone Road. Close to Hobby Airport. -
Our Lady of Mt. Carmel
On Reed Road, on the north side of Sims Bayou, south of Bellfort, east of Mykawa, west of Telephone Road. Close to Hobby Airport. -
#228
😀You are soooo bad!
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#228
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You are soooo bad! -
SC, saying a prayer for your employment hunting to be fruitful soon. To have the rug pulled out from under you after such a long tenure has to be bruising in so many ways. One might hope this will turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
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SC, saying a prayer for your employment hunting to be fruitful soon. To have the rug pulled out from under you after such a long tenure has to be bruising in so many ways. One might hope this will turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
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#210 – I got bupkus for statistics…………………..if we’re talking on an urban street at 0300 – I’ll take Baghdad (if I get to pick my equipment)
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#210 – I got bupkus for statistics…………………..if we’re talking on an urban street at 0300 – I’ll take Baghdad (if I get to pick my equipment)
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#219 –
We did share our real names at the LST Memorial Picnic
And I’m Katfish……………………here OR there!
MEGASNIKKER™
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#219 –
We did share our real names at the LST Memorial Picnic
And I’m Katfish……………………here OR there!
MEGASNIKKER™ -
#229 – GASP dats da ‘hood MsTT! (yall wear kevlar to Mass?)
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#229 – GASP dats da ‘hood MsTT! (yall wear kevlar to Mass?)
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(sticks head out of LurkCave, notices humid Texas summer air starting to rear its ugly head amidst all the continuing dust)
Hey Hamsterousians! The usual greetings to all of ya.
— continuing from yesterday — Boney (#15) Now, you leave TimD alone. What’s wrong with being a (Grandma Hamous potential non-approved word removed) lurking slacker?????? We, after all, provide much needed silent support. Can’t you feel the Luuuuvvv?? Why, me and Tim go back quite a ways. But you’d never know it, us being Lurkers and all.
😀
(retreats back into LurkCave, eying the airconditoner’s dusty controls)
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(sticks head out of LurkCave, notices humid Texas summer air starting to rear its ugly head amidst all the continuing dust)
Hey Hamsterousians! The usual greetings to all of ya.
— continuing from yesterday — Boney (#15) Now, you leave TimD alone. What’s wrong with being a (Grandma Hamous potential non-approved word removed) lurking slacker?????? We, after all, provide much needed silent support. Can’t you feel the Luuuuvvv?? Why, me and Tim go back quite a ways. But you’d never know it, us being Lurkers and all.
😀
(retreats back into LurkCave, eying the airconditoner’s dusty controls)
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