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Peeps.

The quintessential Easter confection. They have very little taste or substance, but enterprising artists have found an alternate use for them.


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  1. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Well we had 47 comments for the Easter weekend, amd that’s a good thing because everyone was putting deposits in the ole memory bank.
    Mornin’ Gang

  2. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Well we had 47 comments for the Easter weekend, amd that’s a good thing because everyone was putting deposits in the ole memory bank.
    Mornin’ Gang

  3. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Was listening to a little NFL draft talk on the radio yesterday when I was out in the garage doin’ man stuff. The race baiters are out in force and any criticism of Cam Newton, black NFL QB draft prospect, is racist. The young talk show hosts were clearly dumbfounded by the attacks and quickly capitulated, by the end of the show you’d have thought Cam Newton was the next Tom Brady coming out.

    Keep it up guys, the race card jump the shark moment is nearing, the backfire is gonna be so huge the big bang will have seemed like a firecracker.

    /carry on

  4. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Was listening to a little NFL draft talk on the radio yesterday when I was out in the garage doin’ man stuff. The race baiters are out in force and any criticism of Cam Newton, black NFL QB draft prospect, is racist. The young talk show hosts were clearly dumbfounded by the attacks and quickly capitulated, by the end of the show you’d have thought Cam Newton was the next Tom Brady coming out.
    Keep it up guys, the race card jump the shark moment is nearing, the backfire is gonna be so huge the big bang will have seemed like a firecracker.
    /carry on

  5. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    And now for the rest of the story; IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end.

  6. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    And now for the rest of the story; IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end.

  7. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning all

    thatโ€™s a good thing because everyone was putting deposits in the ole memory bank.

    I very solemnly announced that the grandkids could only have 3 Easter eggs, 1 chocolate bunny and 6 marshmallow chickens……………….
    (Groans and “aw grandpa’s” abounded)

    ……..until I said “before we eat.”

  8. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all

    thatโ€™s a good thing because everyone was putting deposits in the ole memory bank.

    I very solemnly announced that the grandkids could only have 3 Easter eggs, 1 chocolate bunny and 6 marshmallow chickens……………….
    (Groans and “aw grandpa’s” abounded)
    ……..until I said “before we eat.”

  9. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Dang SD you beat me to the punch on the U.S. becoming a has been. Here is some cut and paste from the article:

    IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end
    Commentary: Chinaโ€™s economy will surpass the U.S. in 2016

    For the first time, the international organization has set a date for the moment when the โ€œAge of Americaโ€ will end and the U.S. economy will be overtaken by that of China.

    And itโ€™s a lot closer than you may think.

    According to the latest IMF official forecasts, Chinaโ€™s economy will surpass that of America in real terms in 2016 โ€” just five years from now.

    According to the IMF forecast, whoever is elected U.S. president next year โ€” Obama? Mitt Romney? Donald Trump? โ€” will be the last to preside over the worldโ€™s largest economy.
    Most people arenโ€™t prepared for this. They arenโ€™t even aware itโ€™s that close. Listen to experts of various stripes and they will tell you this moment is decades away. The most bearish will put the figure in the mid-2020s.

    But theyโ€™re miscounting. Theyโ€™re only comparing the gross domestic products of the two countries using current exchange rates.

    The U.S. Treasury market continues to operate on the assumption that it will always remain the global benchmark of money. Business schools still teach students, for example, that the interest rate on the 10 Year Treasury bond is the โ€œrisk-free rateโ€ on money

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25?link=MW_home_latest_news

  10. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Dang SD you beat me to the punch on the U.S. becoming a has been. Here is some cut and paste from the article:

    IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end
    Commentary: Chinaโ€™s economy will surpass the U.S. in 2016

    For the first time, the international organization has set a date for the moment when the โ€œAge of Americaโ€ will end and the U.S. economy will be overtaken by that of China.
    And itโ€™s a lot closer than you may think.
    According to the latest IMF official forecasts, Chinaโ€™s economy will surpass that of America in real terms in 2016 โ€” just five years from now.

    According to the IMF forecast, whoever is elected U.S. president next year โ€” Obama? Mitt Romney? Donald Trump? โ€” will be the last to preside over the worldโ€™s largest economy.
    Most people arenโ€™t prepared for this. They arenโ€™t even aware itโ€™s that close. Listen to experts of various stripes and they will tell you this moment is decades away. The most bearish will put the figure in the mid-2020s.
    But theyโ€™re miscounting. Theyโ€™re only comparing the gross domestic products of the two countries using current exchange rates.
    The U.S. Treasury market continues to operate on the assumption that it will always remain the global benchmark of money. Business schools still teach students, for example, that the interest rate on the 10 Year Treasury bond is the โ€œrisk-free rateโ€ on money

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25?link=MW_home_latest_news

  11. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I was thinking about Earth Day over the weekend.

    does anyone know if Al Gore saw his shadow today?

  12. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I was thinking about Earth Day over the weekend.
    does anyone know if Al Gore saw his shadow today?

  13. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Chevron installed closed-circuit video screens on top of its gas station pumps in Los Angeles so you can watch ads while filling up.

    The Chevron in Hollywood decided to run porno on its screens so you won’t feel like the only one getting screwed at the pump.

  14. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Chevron installed closed-circuit video screens on top of its gas station pumps in Los Angeles so you can watch ads while filling up.
    The Chevron in Hollywood decided to run porno on its screens so you won’t feel like the only one getting screwed at the pump.

  15. El Gordo Avatar

    They have very little taste or substance

    So it turns out that peeps are liberals. Huh. Who knew?

  16. Dooood Avatar

    They have very little taste or substance

    So it turns out that peeps are liberals. Huh. Who knew?

  17. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Dee and I went out to eat Friday night There was a drunk at the table next to us. Suddenly he stood up and yelled “ATTENTION ALL” and broke wind loudly.

    Dee was extremely embarrassed, and I said to the drunk” Excuse me, you just broke wind before my wife.”

    He gave me a cross eyed stare and replied,” I’m sorry I didn’t know it was her turn.”

  18. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Dee and I went out to eat Friday night There was a drunk at the table next to us. Suddenly he stood up and yelled “ATTENTION ALL” and broke wind loudly.
    Dee was extremely embarrassed, and I said to the drunk” Excuse me, you just broke wind before my wife.”
    He gave me a cross eyed stare and replied,” I’m sorry I didn’t know it was her turn.”

  19. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Clear the roost, the chickens are coming home. ๐Ÿ™‚

    From coast to coast and all over the world liberals are mindlessly going gaga for green. Anything that smacks of greenism is, with religious fervor, promoted and revered. The electric automobile, for instance, is one of the leftโ€™s dream modes of transportation. Pursuant to that dreamy green dream, liberals have made sure that all sort of tax breaks are lavished upon those citizens who dutifully jump up to their necks into the unprofitable and technologically untested world of electric cars. Washington State is no exception to this mania.

    โ€ฆ and hilarity ensues.

    The Associated Press is even a bit snarky about the whole mess.

    After years of urging residents to buy fuel-efficient cars and giving them tax breaks to do it, Washington state lawmakers are considering a measure to charge them a $100 annual fee โ€” what would be the nationโ€™s first electric car fee.

    Yes, thatโ€™s right. After giving them tax breaks to waste their money on electric cars, now Washington State wants to raise new taxes on those very same buyers. If that isnโ€™t a bait and switch, what is?

    http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2011/04/24/paradox-green-loving-washington-state-about-to-penalize-electric-car-owners/#more-260048

  20. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Clear the roost, the chickens are coming home. ๐Ÿ™‚

    From coast to coast and all over the world liberals are mindlessly going gaga for green. Anything that smacks of greenism is, with religious fervor, promoted and revered. The electric automobile, for instance, is one of the leftโ€™s dream modes of transportation. Pursuant to that dreamy green dream, liberals have made sure that all sort of tax breaks are lavished upon those citizens who dutifully jump up to their necks into the unprofitable and technologically untested world of electric cars. Washington State is no exception to this mania.
    โ€ฆ and hilarity ensues.
    The Associated Press is even a bit snarky about the whole mess.
    After years of urging residents to buy fuel-efficient cars and giving them tax breaks to do it, Washington state lawmakers are considering a measure to charge them a $100 annual fee โ€” what would be the nationโ€™s first electric car fee.
    Yes, thatโ€™s right. After giving them tax breaks to waste their money on electric cars, now Washington State wants to raise new taxes on those very same buyers. If that isnโ€™t a bait and switch, what is?

    http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2011/04/24/paradox-green-loving-washington-state-about-to-penalize-electric-car-owners/#more-260048

  21. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    #11 Super Dave

    Also, another world changing invention goes to the guys at Bell Labs that invented the transistor.

  22. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #11 Super Dave
    Also, another world changing invention goes to the guys at Bell Labs that invented the transistor.

  23. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    A bit of geek history – the man attributed with the creation of the compact disc recently died.

    Norio Ohga, the former Sony president and Chairman passed away on April 23, 2011 due to multiple organ failure. He was 81 years old, reported SkyNews.

    Norio Ohga is best known for pushing the development of the worldโ€™s first compact disk. He is also recognized as helping Sony push its way to creating movies, music, and video games. Over his 13-year career as president of Sony, his most notable accomplishments were his approval of the creation of the PlayStation and Columbia Pictures.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, Sonyโ€™s Chief Executive Howard Stringer had this to say about Ohga, “It is no exaggeration to attribute Sony’s evolution beyond audio and video products into music, movies and game, and subsequent transformation into a global entertainment leader to Ohga-san’s foresight and vision.โ€

    Norio Ohga was president of the company until 1995. After that he was the chairman until 2003 and then became a senior adviser.

    Ohga was also an accomplished opera singer. When developing the CD he insisted that it hold a minimum of 75 minutes so that he could listen to Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony without interruption.

  24. Hamous Avatar

    A bit of geek history – the man attributed with the creation of the compact disc recently died.

    Norio Ohga, the former Sony president and Chairman passed away on April 23, 2011 due to multiple organ failure. He was 81 years old, reported SkyNews.
    Norio Ohga is best known for pushing the development of the worldโ€™s first compact disk. He is also recognized as helping Sony push its way to creating movies, music, and video games. Over his 13-year career as president of Sony, his most notable accomplishments were his approval of the creation of the PlayStation and Columbia Pictures.
    According to the Wall Street Journal, Sonyโ€™s Chief Executive Howard Stringer had this to say about Ohga, “It is no exaggeration to attribute Sony’s evolution beyond audio and video products into music, movies and game, and subsequent transformation into a global entertainment leader to Ohga-san’s foresight and vision.โ€
    Norio Ohga was president of the company until 1995. After that he was the chairman until 2003 and then became a senior adviser.

    Ohga was also an accomplished opera singer. When developing the CD he insisted that it hold a minimum of 75 minutes so that he could listen to Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony without interruption.

  25. Hamous Avatar

    #11 SuperDave: Frank Whittle, John M. Browning, Nicolai Tesla, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, and Dean Kaman among others, are absolute towering intellectual giants among we common men and we common men make our current politicians look like pygmies by comparison.

  26. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #11 SuperDave: Frank Whittle, John M. Browning, Nicolai Tesla, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, and Dean Kaman among others, are absolute towering intellectual giants among we common men and we common men make our current politicians look like pygmies by comparison.

  27. Hamous Avatar

    #15 TT: While there is only room for THE ONE TRUE MESSIAH there will be plenty of anti-messiahs.

  28. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #15 TT: While there is only room for THE ONE TRUE MESSIAH there will be plenty of anti-messiahs.

  29. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    โ€œThis is crazy. I feel like this is a personal attack on me,โ€ Araguz told The Associated Press. โ€œIf this bill is passed, it essentially means women like myself who have had reconstructive surgery will not be allowed to marry their heterosexual partner.โ€

    Well of course you do, you gold-digging, self-mutilating freak. “Women” like yourself are men who chopped off your tallywhackers. That’s called genital mutilation. Just ’cause your cat has kittens in the oven…

  30. Hamous Avatar

    โ€œThis is crazy. I feel like this is a personal attack on me,โ€ Araguz told The Associated Press. โ€œIf this bill is passed, it essentially means women like myself who have had reconstructive surgery will not be allowed to marry their heterosexual partner.โ€

    Well of course you do, you gold-digging, self-mutilating freak. “Women” like yourself are men who chopped off your tallywhackers. That’s called genital mutilation. Just ’cause your cat has kittens in the oven…

  31. Tedtam Avatar

    It’s good to know our troops are finding ways to fight the boredom.

    I don’t know what’s sexier – a man who can dance, or a man in uniform who can dance.

    hmmmmmm……….

    /beating WB to the punch

    Hussy.

  32. Tedtam Avatar

    It’s good to know our troops are finding ways to fight the boredom.
    I don’t know what’s sexier – a man who can dance, or a man in uniform who can dance.
    hmmmmmm……….
    /beating WB to the punch
    Hussy.

  33. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #OletimerLin, Bell Labs invented the transistor in 1947 the Roswell UFO crashed in 1947, coincidence? ๐Ÿ˜€
    Oh and you’re on a roll again.

  34. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #OletimerLin, Bell Labs invented the transistor in 1947 the Roswell UFO crashed in 1947, coincidence? ๐Ÿ˜€
    Oh and you’re on a roll again.

  35. El Gordo Avatar

    #17 So-Ham-Con,

    I demand a brain sample! You only say what you say because of your narrow-minded, social conservative precepts of what constitutes gender. What makes you think you have any authoritah? Do you have any proof that… oh… never mind. I can’t keep this up. I can’t be Bobo. Only Bobo can be Bobo.

  36. Dooood Avatar

    #17 So-Ham-Con,
    I demand a brain sample! You only say what you say because of your narrow-minded, social conservative precepts of what constitutes gender. What makes you think you have any authoritah? Do you have any proof that… oh… never mind. I can’t keep this up. I can’t be Bobo. Only Bobo can be Bobo.

  37. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    If you are truly the Messiah, then why worry about the future? I’m reminded of Alfred E. Obama Neuman – “What, me worry?”
    http://photobucket.com/images/alfred%20e.%20neuman/

  38. El Gordo Avatar

    If you are truly the Messiah, then why worry about the future? I’m reminded of Alfred E. Obama Neuman – “What, me worry?”
    http://photobucket.com/images/alfred%20e.%20neuman/

  39. Hamous Avatar

    #17 Hamster:

    women like myself who have had reconstructive surgery

    This is primary evidence of a crime: Rape of the English language. Reconstructive surgery would be replacing a breast that had been lost to cancer, or rebuilding a face that got smashed in a car wreck, or installing a titanium femur after the original had been crushed in an industrial accident. Having an elective “chop-a-d_ck-offa-me” more accurately falls in the category of DE-CONSTRUCTIVE surgery. The good news is that this “it” will not be able to procreate and pass on the obviously demented mental gene. That particular gene pool is way overdue for a cleaning and fortunately, it was self inflicted.

  40. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #17 Hamster:

    women like myself who have had reconstructive surgery

    This is primary evidence of a crime: Rape of the English language. Reconstructive surgery would be replacing a breast that had been lost to cancer, or rebuilding a face that got smashed in a car wreck, or installing a titanium femur after the original had been crushed in an industrial accident. Having an elective “chop-a-d_ck-offa-me” more accurately falls in the category of DE-CONSTRUCTIVE surgery. The good news is that this “it” will not be able to procreate and pass on the obviously demented mental gene. That particular gene pool is way overdue for a cleaning and fortunately, it was self inflicted.

  41. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #14 Bonecrusher, don’t forget one of my favorites; John Harrison. He spent his whole life solving the “The longitude problem” and never received full credit until after he died.

  42. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #14 Bonecrusher, don’t forget one of my favorites; John Harrison. He spent his whole life solving the “The longitude problem” and never received full credit until after he died.

  43. Tedtam Avatar

    (Not) putting money where the mouth is.

    Or sumpin’ like that.

    Oh, I get it. When it’s other peoples’ money, these kids would be the recipients of the money.
    Just don’t ask them to give up anything of their own to “even things out”.

    I wonder – when you get slapped by your own hypocrisy, does it hurt much?

  44. Tedtam Avatar

    (Not) putting money where the mouth is.
    Or sumpin’ like that.
    Oh, I get it. When it’s other peoples’ money, these kids would be the recipients of the money.
    Just don’t ask them to give up anything of their own to “even things out”.
    I wonder – when you get slapped by your own hypocrisy, does it hurt much?

  45. Tedtam Avatar

    I think I found out where all the manly parts missing in DC are. This lady has ’em. And she’s not keeping them in a lockbox.

    You go, girl!

  46. Tedtam Avatar

    I think I found out where all the manly parts missing in DC are. This lady has ’em. And she’s not keeping them in a lockbox.
    You go, girl!

  47. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    South Park is more representative of our society today than anything else out there intended for public consumption. For those of you who don’t know Mr. Garrison, the kids school teacher is gay. After finally coming out of the closet, he had the operation and now shows up at school dressed as a woman. However, the key to the entire perverted story is this – after going through all kinds of trials and tribulations about his orientation, coming out of the closet, learning to live with his condition, and finally taking the drastic step of having the surgery(ies) he discovers that he (now she) is still not happy. After undergoing more analysis derived from all kinds of well meaning sources, he finally discovers what the problem is – namely, that after all this, (s)he is still gay.

    I think the point is, at least as I see it, is that we have got to learn to live in our own skin, no matter what.

  48. El Gordo Avatar

    South Park is more representative of our society today than anything else out there intended for public consumption. For those of you who don’t know Mr. Garrison, the kids school teacher is gay. After finally coming out of the closet, he had the operation and now shows up at school dressed as a woman. However, the key to the entire perverted story is this – after going through all kinds of trials and tribulations about his orientation, coming out of the closet, learning to live with his condition, and finally taking the drastic step of having the surgery(ies) he discovers that he (now she) is still not happy. After undergoing more analysis derived from all kinds of well meaning sources, he finally discovers what the problem is – namely, that after all this, (s)he is still gay.
    I think the point is, at least as I see it, is that we have got to learn to live in our own skin, no matter what.

  49. Hamous Avatar

    #23 SD: I left out a few, like: Archimedes, Galilleao, Henry Mancini, Stratavarius, Michealangelo, McDonald (of McDonald aircrafts, the father of the flying wing – not the burger queer), DaVinci, Burt Bacharach, etc. This was not done on purpose as most of my posts are stream of consciousness (or BS) and are not intended to be exhaustive. How about a list of incredibly smart/creative people to add to the one we already have? Perhaps this could even be a “sidebar” item so that we can continue to add to it as time passes?

  50. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #23 SD: I left out a few, like: Archimedes, Galilleao, Henry Mancini, Stratavarius, Michealangelo, McDonald (of McDonald aircrafts, the father of the flying wing – not the burger queer), DaVinci, Burt Bacharach, etc. This was not done on purpose as most of my posts are stream of consciousness (or BS) and are not intended to be exhaustive. How about a list of incredibly smart/creative people to add to the one we already have? Perhaps this could even be a “sidebar” item so that we can continue to add to it as time passes?

  51. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Just for grins, I’m bringing this forward from yesterday’s posting regarding the McDonalds dust up and the possibilities that flow forth from events such as that:

    #39 โ€“ What happens when one protected group gets assaulted by members of another protected group. Does one of them eventually (1) resort to Republicanism, or, more likely, (2) does each side retain its own set of protected professionals (trial lawyers) to spend years haggling over minuscule details, pointing fingers, getting face time on TV, jacking up hourly rates, and all of it being paid for by the taxpayers? I go with door number 2.

  52. El Gordo Avatar

    Just for grins, I’m bringing this forward from yesterday’s posting regarding the McDonalds dust up and the possibilities that flow forth from events such as that:
    #39 โ€“ What happens when one protected group gets assaulted by members of another protected group. Does one of them eventually (1) resort to Republicanism, or, more likely, (2) does each side retain its own set of protected professionals (trial lawyers) to spend years haggling over minuscule details, pointing fingers, getting face time on TV, jacking up hourly rates, and all of it being paid for by the taxpayers? I go with door number 2.

  53. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #28: My protected group is tougher than your protected group.

  54. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #28: My protected group is tougher than your protected group.

  55. Tedtam Avatar

    #29 Tex

    My protected group is tougher more specially protected than your protected group.

    FIFY

  56. Tedtam Avatar

    #29 Tex

    My protected group is tougher more specially protected than your protected group.

    FIFY

  57. Tedtam Avatar

    Well actually, it should be:

    My protected group is more of a victim than your protected group.

  58. Tedtam Avatar

    Well actually, it should be:

    My protected group is more of a victim than your protected group.

  59. Hamous Avatar

    A groups protected/victim’s status is inversely proportional to its size; therefore, my group is way better than yours and we will rule the world.

  60. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    A groups protected/victim’s status is inversely proportional to its size; therefore, my group is way better than yours and we will rule the world.

  61. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    The inmates are running the asylum. EPA Rules Force Shell to Abandon Oil Drilling Plans.

    Shell has spent five years and nearly $4 billion dollars on plans to explore for oil in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas. The leases alone cost $2.2 billion. Shell Vice President Pete Slaiby says obtaining similar air permits for a drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico would take about 45 days. Heโ€™s especially frustrated over the appeal boardโ€™s suggestion that the Arctic drill would somehow be hazardous for the people who live in the area. โ€œWe think the issues were really not major,โ€ Slaiby said, โ€œand clearly not impactful for the communities we work in.โ€
    Snip~
    The EPAโ€™s appeals board ruled that Shell had not taken into consideration emissions from an ice-breaking vessel when calculating overall greenhouse gas emissions from the project. Environmental groups were thrilled by the ruling.

    Disgusting!….. Spits

  62. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    The inmates are running the asylum. EPA Rules Force Shell to Abandon Oil Drilling Plans.

    Shell has spent five years and nearly $4 billion dollars on plans to explore for oil in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas. The leases alone cost $2.2 billion. Shell Vice President Pete Slaiby says obtaining similar air permits for a drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico would take about 45 days. Heโ€™s especially frustrated over the appeal boardโ€™s suggestion that the Arctic drill would somehow be hazardous for the people who live in the area. โ€œWe think the issues were really not major,โ€ Slaiby said, โ€œand clearly not impactful for the communities we work in.โ€
    Snip~
    The EPAโ€™s appeals board ruled that Shell had not taken into consideration emissions from an ice-breaking vessel when calculating overall greenhouse gas emissions from the project. Environmental groups were thrilled by the ruling.

    Disgusting!….. Spits

  63. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The McDonalds event did bring up some interesting dilemmas in the world of the Victicrat. If you define yourself as a particular victim class you will eventually find yourself painted into a corner. If you are black and define your very essence as being a victim of slavery nothing can ever compensate you for your suffering. Therefore you have a right to beat someone nearly to death. But what if the person you beat is also a “victim”? Whose victimhood trumps whose? If you’re a victim, in your mind, everyone else is a victimizer.

    This is the hole we’ve dug ourselves into. When you take a crime like assault and assign different degrees to it based on attributes of the victim you are by law stating that it is not as bad to beat up some people. That’s just wrong. These hyenas should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law because they assaulted a person, not because the person they assaulted was homosexual. Two of the three monsters that drug James Byrd behind a truck got the death penalty before Texas passed a hate crimes law. How did that law make things better?

    How did we get to the point where a man can chop off his penis, proclaim his womanhood, and go into a women’s public restroom? In Houston city buildings you don’t even have to mutilate yourself. You can just decide you’re a woman and go into a woman’s bathroom at will. And don’t think that other perverts and pedophiles aren’t taking full advantage of this idiocy.

    I blame MMGW.

  64. Hamous Avatar

    The McDonalds event did bring up some interesting dilemmas in the world of the Victicrat. If you define yourself as a particular victim class you will eventually find yourself painted into a corner. If you are black and define your very essence as being a victim of slavery nothing can ever compensate you for your suffering. Therefore you have a right to beat someone nearly to death. But what if the person you beat is also a “victim”? Whose victimhood trumps whose? If you’re a victim, in your mind, everyone else is a victimizer.
    This is the hole we’ve dug ourselves into. When you take a crime like assault and assign different degrees to it based on attributes of the victim you are by law stating that it is not as bad to beat up some people. That’s just wrong. These hyenas should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law because they assaulted a person, not because the person they assaulted was homosexual. Two of the three monsters that drug James Byrd behind a truck got the death penalty before Texas passed a hate crimes law. How did that law make things better?
    How did we get to the point where a man can chop off his penis, proclaim his womanhood, and go into a women’s public restroom? In Houston city buildings you don’t even have to mutilate yourself. You can just decide you’re a woman and go into a woman’s bathroom at will. And don’t think that other perverts and pedophiles aren’t taking full advantage of this idiocy.
    I blame MMGW.

  65. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    As I often like to say – Equal rights for all; special rights for none.

  66. El Gordo Avatar

    As I often like to say – Equal rights for all; special rights for none.

  67. El Gordo Avatar

    I blame MMGW.

    Yes. Mother Earth is the true victim in all of this. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

  68. Dooood Avatar

    I blame MMGW.

    Yes. Mother Earth is the true victim in all of this. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

  69. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Not a surprise, Obama, through the IRS is trying to stick it to the country again. Our senators have both stepped up.

    This is why it is so disappointing and frustrating that the Internal Revenue Service is creating grave risks for the American economy by pushing a regulation that would drive a significant slice of this foreign capital to other nations. More specifically, the IRS wants banks to report how much interest they pay foreign depositors so that this information can be forwarded to overseas tax authorities.

    Yes, you read correctly.

    The IRS is seeking to abuse its regulatory power to overturn existing law.
    snip
    Both Texas Senators also have registered their opposition. Senators Hutchison and Cornyn wrote to the Obama Administration earlier this month.

    We are very concerned that this proposed regulation will bring serious harm to the Texas economy, should it go into effect. โ€ฆForgoing the taxation of deposit interest paid to certain global investors is a long-standing tax policy that helps attract capital investment to the United States. For generations, these investors have placed their funds in institutions in Texas and across the United States because of the safety of our banks. Another reason that many of these investors deposit funds in American institutions is the instability in their home countries. โ€ฆWith less capital, community banks will be able to extend less credit to working families and small businesses. Ultimately, working families and small businesses will bear the brunt of this ill-advised rule. Given the ongoing fragility of our nationโ€™s economy, we must not pursue policies that will send away job-creating capital.We ask you to withdraw the IRSโ€™s proposed REG-14609-09. The United States should continue to encourage deposits from global investors, as our nation and our economy are best served by this policy.

    http://biggovernment.com/dmitchell/2011/04/25/rogue-irs-proposal-would-drive-investment-from-u-s-economy/#more-260152

  70. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Not a surprise, Obama, through the IRS is trying to stick it to the country again. Our senators have both stepped up.

    This is why it is so disappointing and frustrating that the Internal Revenue Service is creating grave risks for the American economy by pushing a regulation that would drive a significant slice of this foreign capital to other nations. More specifically, the IRS wants banks to report how much interest they pay foreign depositors so that this information can be forwarded to overseas tax authorities.
    Yes, you read correctly.
    The IRS is seeking to abuse its regulatory power to overturn existing law.
    snip
    Both Texas Senators also have registered their opposition. Senators Hutchison and Cornyn wrote to the Obama Administration earlier this month.
    We are very concerned that this proposed regulation will bring serious harm to the Texas economy, should it go into effect. โ€ฆForgoing the taxation of deposit interest paid to certain global investors is a long-standing tax policy that helps attract capital investment to the United States. For generations, these investors have placed their funds in institutions in Texas and across the United States because of the safety of our banks. Another reason that many of these investors deposit funds in American institutions is the instability in their home countries. โ€ฆWith less capital, community banks will be able to extend less credit to working families and small businesses. Ultimately, working families and small businesses will bear the brunt of this ill-advised rule. Given the ongoing fragility of our nationโ€™s economy, we must not pursue policies that will send away job-creating capital.We ask you to withdraw the IRSโ€™s proposed REG-14609-09. The United States should continue to encourage deposits from global investors, as our nation and our economy are best served by this policy.

    http://biggovernment.com/dmitchell/2011/04/25/rogue-irs-proposal-would-drive-investment-from-u-s-economy/#more-260152

  71. Katfish Avatar

    It’s the Monday after Easter, and your friendly correspondent is holed up in the family hut with an a$$load (literally) of drugs. Since Yellow Hair is a teacher, she has a bullet proof immune system. The weaker germs get scared away outright; the serious ones hitch a ride for as long as they can last or until they can infect someone else (me).

    The upshot is that I have a sinus infection that is slowly consuming my entire head. It started out feeling like allergies a week ago. Saturday afternoon, the germs figured they had enough strength for a full frontal assault with naval and air support. This was made worse by my schedule over the weekend.

    I was scheduled to read the third reading (actually second since we skipped a few…) at the Easter Vigil. For you Protestants and other non-Catholics, the Easter Vigil is the Holiest Mass of the year. It starts around 8:00 or 8:30pm (depending on when Easter is; it has to be dark out) and usually lasts about three hours. It is the Mass where adults entering the Church are baptized (exceptions can be made, but are pretty rare). The particular reading I was assigned was pretty long – Exodus 14:15 – 15:1. It’s the passage where the Israelites are being pursued by Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers, and God will glorify himself by smiting Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers. Moses parts the sea and the Israelites march across on dry ground. Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers pursue them, get stuck, then God causes the seas to swallow up Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers (read the passage to know why I’m doing this).

    It’s very disconcerting to read at the Easter Vigil. The church is dark. The only light is the Paschal candle, the reading lamp on the ambo, and the light thrown off by the “Exit” signs around the building. You’re reading to a church with several hundred people in it, but you can only see the front row – barely.

    29 people entered the church in our parish Saturday. One of them was actually visiting town because her father took ill and was being treated at MD Anderson. She had completed her catechism at her home parish in San Bernardino, Ca and really wanted to enter the church last weekend. The two parishes got together, and there’s always room for one more. Next weekend another 30 or so will enter the church by making their profession of faith. These are the people who have been baptised but never confirmed.

    One other noteworthy thing – our pastor takes the act of anointing very seriously. He said we have lots of oils, so we might as well use it. Normally, they dip their thumb in the oil and mark a cross on the foreheads of the confirmees. He dipped four fingers and a thumb in the oil, rubbed it into their hair, smeared it across their foreheads, then marked a cross. They smelled really good from a long way off. They also glowed. THe light of Christ was shining very strongly in them.

    Back to the travails of the wagonburner. While this was all going on, I was getting woozier by the minute. Once we got home about midnight, I went to bed and passed out. We met the in-laws for lunch at 12:30 and I was sort of ok, but by about 2:30 I had had enough. Back home and konked out.

    I now feel like Larry the Cable Guy’s sister’s horse. It broke its leg, so he had to shoot it. If it’s not better soon, he’ll have to shoot it again. Now he’s got a horse with a broken leg and a gunshot wound. He’s not sure what shooting it does; must be something with the healing process.

  72. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It’s the Monday after Easter, and your friendly correspondent is holed up in the family hut with an a$$load (literally) of drugs. Since Yellow Hair is a teacher, she has a bullet proof immune system. The weaker germs get scared away outright; the serious ones hitch a ride for as long as they can last or until they can infect someone else (me).
    The upshot is that I have a sinus infection that is slowly consuming my entire head. It started out feeling like allergies a week ago. Saturday afternoon, the germs figured they had enough strength for a full frontal assault with naval and air support. This was made worse by my schedule over the weekend.
    I was scheduled to read the third reading (actually second since we skipped a few…) at the Easter Vigil. For you Protestants and other non-Catholics, the Easter Vigil is the Holiest Mass of the year. It starts around 8:00 or 8:30pm (depending on when Easter is; it has to be dark out) and usually lasts about three hours. It is the Mass where adults entering the Church are baptized (exceptions can be made, but are pretty rare). The particular reading I was assigned was pretty long – Exodus 14:15 – 15:1. It’s the passage where the Israelites are being pursued by Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers, and God will glorify himself by smiting Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers. Moses parts the sea and the Israelites march across on dry ground. Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers pursue them, get stuck, then God causes the seas to swallow up Pharaoh, his chariots, and charioteers (read the passage to know why I’m doing this).
    It’s very disconcerting to read at the Easter Vigil. The church is dark. The only light is the Paschal candle, the reading lamp on the ambo, and the light thrown off by the “Exit” signs around the building. You’re reading to a church with several hundred people in it, but you can only see the front row – barely.
    29 people entered the church in our parish Saturday. One of them was actually visiting town because her father took ill and was being treated at MD Anderson. She had completed her catechism at her home parish in San Bernardino, Ca and really wanted to enter the church last weekend. The two parishes got together, and there’s always room for one more. Next weekend another 30 or so will enter the church by making their profession of faith. These are the people who have been baptised but never confirmed.
    One other noteworthy thing – our pastor takes the act of anointing very seriously. He said we have lots of oils, so we might as well use it. Normally, they dip their thumb in the oil and mark a cross on the foreheads of the confirmees. He dipped four fingers and a thumb in the oil, rubbed it into their hair, smeared it across their foreheads, then marked a cross. They smelled really good from a long way off. They also glowed. THe light of Christ was shining very strongly in them.
    Back to the travails of the wagonburner. While this was all going on, I was getting woozier by the minute. Once we got home about midnight, I went to bed and passed out. We met the in-laws for lunch at 12:30 and I was sort of ok, but by about 2:30 I had had enough. Back home and konked out.
    I now feel like Larry the Cable Guy’s sister’s horse. It broke its leg, so he had to shoot it. If it’s not better soon, he’ll have to shoot it again. Now he’s got a horse with a broken leg and a gunshot wound. He’s not sure what shooting it does; must be something with the healing process.

  73. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Speaking of Easter, how did you enjoy Obama’s Easter greeting to Christians? Oh, you missed it?

    That’s because he gave neither a Good Friday or Easter address. He did however go golfing.

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/

  74. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Speaking of Easter, how did you enjoy Obama’s Easter greeting to Christians? Oh, you missed it?
    That’s because he gave neither a Good Friday or Easter address. He did however go golfing.
    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/

  75. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Yikes

    BROWNSVILLE – Police say a passerby on the southbound side of Highway 77 noticed what looked like a grenade near the FM 1732 overpass and alerted authorities around 5 p.m. Sunday.

    The improvised explosive device or I-E-D was disarmed by a bomb squad using a robot. No one was hurt. Parts of Highway 77 were closed for several hours.

    Police are continuing to investigate.

    http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Improvised-Explosive-Device-Discovered-On-An/9r7k8ch2E0GJqEX_-YhSwQ.cspx

  76. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Yikes

    BROWNSVILLE – Police say a passerby on the southbound side of Highway 77 noticed what looked like a grenade near the FM 1732 overpass and alerted authorities around 5 p.m. Sunday.
    The improvised explosive device or I-E-D was disarmed by a bomb squad using a robot. No one was hurt. Parts of Highway 77 were closed for several hours.
    Police are continuing to investigate.

    http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Improvised-Explosive-Device-Discovered-On-An/9r7k8ch2E0GJqEX_-YhSwQ.cspx

  77. Katfish Avatar

    Mexico joins the collection of travel destination for which the State Department has issued “Travel Warnings”. Other notable locales that are current recipients of this honor include: Afghanistan, Iraq, the West Bank, Colombia, North Korea and Haiti.

  78. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Mexico joins the collection of travel destination for which the State Department has issued “Travel Warnings”. Other notable locales that are current recipients of this honor include: Afghanistan, Iraq, the West Bank, Colombia, North Korea and Haiti.

  79. Tedtam Avatar

    Wagonburner –

    Have you ever tried nasal irrigation? I have been prone to sinus infections (I’ve been lucky the last few years, but prior to that I’d get several a year) and when I started washing my sinuses out the severity and frequency dropped considerably. I remember one time, I just KNEW I had one coming on – could feel that pressure building and that crappy feeling edging in – and irrigated my sinuses. Instant relief and I never got sick.

    I use the bottle rather than the neti pot. I bought the system (bottle and saline solution packets) and CVS. It’s cheaper than a doctor visit, and a lot quicker.

    It looks gross, but it’s not nearly as gross as blowing snot for days and feeling like crap.

  80. Tedtam Avatar

    Wagonburner –
    Have you ever tried nasal irrigation? I have been prone to sinus infections (I’ve been lucky the last few years, but prior to that I’d get several a year) and when I started washing my sinuses out the severity and frequency dropped considerably. I remember one time, I just KNEW I had one coming on – could feel that pressure building and that crappy feeling edging in – and irrigated my sinuses. Instant relief and I never got sick.
    I use the bottle rather than the neti pot. I bought the system (bottle and saline solution packets) and CVS. It’s cheaper than a doctor visit, and a lot quicker.
    It looks gross, but it’s not nearly as gross as blowing snot for days and feeling like crap.

  81. Hamous Avatar

    Pyro: What the crazy Aunt is telling you is “heap strong good medicine” and you should comply forthwith.

    holed up in the family hut with an a$$load (literally) of drugs

    Careful about that Pyro; the Feds may be watching not to mention the “happy” people may want to get at some of your drugs.

  82. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Pyro: What the crazy Aunt is telling you is “heap strong good medicine” and you should comply forthwith.

    holed up in the family hut with an a$$load (literally) of drugs

    Careful about that Pyro; the Feds may be watching not to mention the “happy” people may want to get at some of your drugs.

  83. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    I wonder?

    a$$load

    But can I say

    bassload

    silly boy

    don’t make Granny come over there and smack you

  84. squawkbox Avatar

    I wonder?
    a$$load
    But can I say
    bassload
    silly boy
    don’t make Granny come over there and smack you

  85. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Cool

    Hey bunsonburner
    It is okay iwth Granny Hamous to say bassload instead of a$$load, but DO NOT call anyone a

    basshole

    .

  86. squawkbox Avatar

    Cool
    Hey bunsonburner
    It is okay iwth Granny Hamous to say bassload instead of a$$load, but DO NOT call anyone a

    basshole

    .

  87. Hamous Avatar

    holed up in the family hut with an a$$load (literally) of drugs

    kind of gives the “happy” people a whole new definition of “exploring the promised land” doesn’t it?

  88. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    holed up in the family hut with an a$$load (literally) of drugs

    kind of gives the “happy” people a whole new definition of “exploring the promised land” doesn’t it?

  89. Hamous Avatar

    holed up. . .. . . with an a$$load (literally) of drugs

    heh

  90. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    holed up. . .. . . with an a$$load (literally) of drugs

    heh

  91. Hamous Avatar

    holed up

    I guess that means full, huh?

  92. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    holed up

    I guess that means full, huh?

  93. Katfish Avatar

    #42 crazy aunt
    yep

    Got the bottle (same as you) and have been using it. If you use two salt packets, it seems to rinse better when there’s lots of ‘stuff’. Afterward, nose spray works better, too.

    Antibiotics in one cheek, steroids in the other…

  94. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #42 crazy aunt
    yep
    Got the bottle (same as you) and have been using it. If you use two salt packets, it seems to rinse better when there’s lots of ‘stuff’. Afterward, nose spray works better, too.
    Antibiotics in one cheek, steroids in the other…

  95. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Pssst. Wagonburner and Tedtam. The Plan is working perfectly! Our double agents have succeeded in turning even Baptists into Catholics. Someone should call Charlie Sheen and tell him we can call off the Vatican Assassin Warlocks for a while.

  96. Hamous Avatar

    Pssst. Wagonburner and Tedtam. The Plan is working perfectly! Our double agents have succeeded in turning even Baptists into Catholics. Someone should call Charlie Sheen and tell him we can call off the Vatican Assassin Warlocks for a while.

  97. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    So this is the day Hammie decides to break the tallywacker barrier.

  98. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    So this is the day Hammie decides to break the tallywacker barrier.

  99. Katfish Avatar

    #50 hamous

    There are a lot of good things that Roman Catholics do that I think everybody should be open to. โ€ฆ

    Mmmwwaaahahahahha…..

    Last week a Mormon gets nailed with some holy water and didn’t actually melt right where he was standing. This week a buncha Baptists are coming right out and saying that the RC Church is not actually the Wh0re of Babylon.

    What next? Lutherans deciding that maybe they just might not have gotten it right a few hundred years ago and start swimming across the Tiber (metaphorically speaking)?

    Maybe B16 and the Holy Spirit are acting like Obi-Wan Kenobi and the force. “That is not the faith tradition you are looking for.” ๐Ÿ˜†

  100. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #50 hamous

    There are a lot of good things that Roman Catholics do that I think everybody should be open to. โ€ฆ

    Mmmwwaaahahahahha…..
    Last week a Mormon gets nailed with some holy water and didn’t actually melt right where he was standing. This week a buncha Baptists are coming right out and saying that the RC Church is not actually the Wh0re of Babylon.
    What next? Lutherans deciding that maybe they just might not have gotten it right a few hundred years ago and start swimming across the Tiber (metaphorically speaking)?
    Maybe B16 and the Holy Spirit are acting like Obi-Wan Kenobi and the force. “That is not the faith tradition you are looking for.” ๐Ÿ˜†

  101. Katfish Avatar

    #51 shannon
    As long as you don’t say “ass”.

    Right, squack?

  102. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #51 shannon
    As long as you don’t say “ass”.
    Right, squack?

  103. Katfish Avatar

    #50 hammie

    one in 10 Americans is a former member of the Catholic Church, and about half of those ex-Catholics

    That can’t be right. Maybe “one in ten Christians who regularly attend church consider themselves ex-Catholics”.

    It’s actually a little difficult to get Holy Mother Church to let go of you once you have been baptized in the Church, even moreso if you’ve been confirmed. You actually have to write a letter to your local Ordinary and tell him you don’t want to be Catholic anymore.

  104. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #50 hammie

    one in 10 Americans is a former member of the Catholic Church, and about half of those ex-Catholics

    That can’t be right. Maybe “one in ten Christians who regularly attend church consider themselves ex-Catholics”.
    It’s actually a little difficult to get Holy Mother Church to let go of you once you have been baptized in the Church, even moreso if you’ve been confirmed. You actually have to write a letter to your local Ordinary and tell him you don’t want to be Catholic anymore.

  105. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    So this is the day Hammie decides to break the tallywacker barrier.

    Other words for the appendage just don’t have that … that … je ne sais quoi. Most are downright boorish. But this is such a whimsical way of saying it. Who can be offended by tallywacker? It would be like being offended by puppies.

  106. Hamous Avatar

    So this is the day Hammie decides to break the tallywacker barrier.

    Other words for the appendage just don’t have that … that … je ne sais quoi. Most are downright boorish. But this is such a whimsical way of saying it. Who can be offended by tallywacker? It would be like being offended by puppies.

  107. Katfish Avatar

    It not so much offensive as stupid-sounding.

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It not so much offensive as stupid-sounding.

  109. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #54 Yeah, one in 10 is not right. The Catholic population of the US is one in five. There’s no way that 50% of Catholics have left the Church.

    Itโ€™s actually a little difficult to get Holy Mother Church to let go of you once you have been baptized in the Church, even moreso if youโ€™ve been confirmed.

    There are hundreds of politicians to prove that point.

  110. Hamous Avatar

    #54 Yeah, one in 10 is not right. The Catholic population of the US is one in five. There’s no way that 50% of Catholics have left the Church.

    Itโ€™s actually a little difficult to get Holy Mother Church to let go of you once you have been baptized in the Church, even moreso if youโ€™ve been confirmed.

    There are hundreds of politicians to prove that point.

  111. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Did anyone else watch the 60 Mins piece on Mount Athos yesterday? I had never heard of the place before but I enjoyed it. It’s a peninsula in northern Greece which belongs to a group of Eastern Orthodox monasteries. They have Christian religious objects that date back for centuries. What surprised me the most was the number of American men who live there as monks.
    http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=124&id=52567&t=%2760+Minutes%27+to+offer+rare+view+of+the+Holy+Mountain+of+Athos

  112. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Did anyone else watch the 60 Mins piece on Mount Athos yesterday? I had never heard of the place before but I enjoyed it. It’s a peninsula in northern Greece which belongs to a group of Eastern Orthodox monasteries. They have Christian religious objects that date back for centuries. What surprised me the most was the number of American men who live there as monks.
    http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=124&id=52567&t=%2760+Minutes%27+to+offer+rare+view+of+the+Holy+Mountain+of+Athos

  113. Tedtam Avatar

    #58 Mharper

    Yep, I saw most of it. Fascinating and wonderful, even if we wimmins aren’t allowed there. (Wimmins is too distracting for the men who are trying to get ever closer to Christ.) The monasteries’ chapels were beautiful, and their faith was, too.

    As far as the Catholic/Evangelical thing, I read an article a few years back discussing how some Protestant churches were allowing their members to go to confession; it seems the members were asking for it. I can’t call it a sacrament, because a Protestant approach to confession is certainly not how a Catholic understands it (much like the Eucharist and Communion), but it’s fascinating how the different ministers found the benefit in it.

    Protestants. All your members will be ours!

    If those “Lutherans” don’t kill us all for not submitting to Allah first.

  114. Tedtam Avatar

    #58 Mharper
    Yep, I saw most of it. Fascinating and wonderful, even if we wimmins aren’t allowed there. (Wimmins is too distracting for the men who are trying to get ever closer to Christ.) The monasteries’ chapels were beautiful, and their faith was, too.
    As far as the Catholic/Evangelical thing, I read an article a few years back discussing how some Protestant churches were allowing their members to go to confession; it seems the members were asking for it. I can’t call it a sacrament, because a Protestant approach to confession is certainly not how a Catholic understands it (much like the Eucharist and Communion), but it’s fascinating how the different ministers found the benefit in it.
    Protestants. All your members will be ours!
    If those “Lutherans” don’t kill us all for not submitting to Allah first.

  115. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    mharper – I watched it. It was an interesting segment. I was especially intrigued with the letter the monks sent to Hitler asking that Hitler himself become the protectorate of the monastery in hopes he wouldn’t loot the place. That sounded like a proverbial deal with the devil to me, and the only reason the Nazis didn’t pillage the place was because they were too bogged down fighting the Russians.

  116. Hamous Avatar

    mharper – I watched it. It was an interesting segment. I was especially intrigued with the letter the monks sent to Hitler asking that Hitler himself become the protectorate of the monastery in hopes he wouldn’t loot the place. That sounded like a proverbial deal with the devil to me, and the only reason the Nazis didn’t pillage the place was because they were too bogged down fighting the Russians.

  117. Hamous Avatar

    #57 Hamster: I think the 50% number may be close. In my family, of which I was #4 of 6, 4 are no longer Catholic, yet all are deeply spiritual ( and not in the lefty moon-bat-schizzle sense), and I have met many former Catholics in my life.

    Itโ€™s actually a little difficult to get Holy Mother Church to let go of you once you have been baptized in the Church, even moreso if youโ€™ve been confirmed.

    What HMC wishes when someone chooses to leave is of little significance to the one who left and really only serves to falsely inflate numbers.

  118. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #57 Hamster: I think the 50% number may be close. In my family, of which I was #4 of 6, 4 are no longer Catholic, yet all are deeply spiritual ( and not in the lefty moon-bat-schizzle sense), and I have met many former Catholics in my life.

    Itโ€™s actually a little difficult to get Holy Mother Church to let go of you once you have been baptized in the Church, even moreso if youโ€™ve been confirmed.

    What HMC wishes when someone chooses to leave is of little significance to the one who left and really only serves to falsely inflate numbers.

  119. Katfish Avatar

    If those โ€œLutheransโ€ donโ€™t kill us all for not submitting to Allah first.

    I was talking about actual Lutherans as opposed to the self-detonating kind.

    Although, both are welcome should they decide to accept the teachings of Holy Mother Church and give up their errant ways.

  120. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    If those โ€œLutheransโ€ donโ€™t kill us all for not submitting to Allah first.

    I was talking about actual Lutherans as opposed to the self-detonating kind.
    Although, both are welcome should they decide to accept the teachings of Holy Mother Church and give up their errant ways.

  121. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #59 TT

    wimmins arenโ€™t allowed there

    Well, both wimmins and chirrens are barred. And the main distraction the head monk mentioned was noise!

    Sort of the ultimate in adults-only housing complex.

  122. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #59 TT

    wimmins arenโ€™t allowed there

    Well, both wimmins and chirrens are barred. And the main distraction the head monk mentioned was noise!
    Sort of the ultimate in adults-only housing complex.

  123. Katfish Avatar

    #62 dave

    Miss. Gov. Barbour rules out 2012 presidential run.

    Holy cr@p!!! Miss Gov Barbour needs to fix herself up if she wants to win the Miss Gov pageant.

    She aint gonna get herself many dates looking like that. She got whupped good and hard with the ugly stick – after she fell outta the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

  124. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #62 dave

    Miss. Gov. Barbour rules out 2012 presidential run.

    Holy cr@p!!! Miss Gov Barbour needs to fix herself up if she wants to win the Miss Gov pageant.
    She aint gonna get herself many dates looking like that. She got whupped good and hard with the ugly stick – after she fell outta the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

  125. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Gulf Tourism as Gauged by Flying Fish .

    The next test of the Gulf Coast tourist economy’s recovery from last year’s massive oil spill will come this Friday when fish fly at a state-straddling roadhouse.
    The Interstate Mullet Toss on the last weekend of April typically lures huge crowds to the Flora-Bama bar in Pensacola, Fla., where patrons try to throw a dead mullet fish as far as they can, from Florida across the sandy state border into Alabama.

    ๐Ÿ˜€

  126. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Gulf Tourism as Gauged by Flying Fish .

    The next test of the Gulf Coast tourist economy’s recovery from last year’s massive oil spill will come this Friday when fish fly at a state-straddling roadhouse.
    The Interstate Mullet Toss on the last weekend of April typically lures huge crowds to the Flora-Bama bar in Pensacola, Fla., where patrons try to throw a dead mullet fish as far as they can, from Florida across the sandy state border into Alabama.

    ๐Ÿ˜€

  127. Katfish Avatar

    They had an article in National Geographic about those monasteries a few months ago. IIRC, some are accessible only by ferry.

    It looked like the French Foreign Legion of monastic life – where you go to ferget about wimmins.

  128. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    They had an article in National Geographic about those monasteries a few months ago. IIRC, some are accessible only by ferry.
    It looked like the French Foreign Legion of monastic life – where you go to ferget about wimmins.

  129. Katfish Avatar

    #66 dave
    They need to go whole-hog and get a live mullet.

    Or use hammie’s mullet.

    It’s the gold standard!

  130. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #66 dave
    They need to go whole-hog and get a live mullet.
    Or use hammie’s mullet.

    It’s the gold standard!

  131. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Wagonburner #65 #68 ๐Ÿ˜€

  132. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Wagonburner #65 #68 ๐Ÿ˜€

  133. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    What HMC wishes when someone chooses to leave is of little significance to the one who left and really only serves to falsely inflate numbers.

    There is a reason why the Church asks you to wait until you’re essentially a young adult to accept the Sacrament of Confirmation. Once you’ve made that decision it is assumed you’ve made it with the solemnity it should be granted. There’s nothing false about it. If you choose to formally renounce your Catholicity then you should follow the process to do that. If you don’t tell anyone how else would they know?

  134. Hamous Avatar

    What HMC wishes when someone chooses to leave is of little significance to the one who left and really only serves to falsely inflate numbers.

    There is a reason why the Church asks you to wait until you’re essentially a young adult to accept the Sacrament of Confirmation. Once you’ve made that decision it is assumed you’ve made it with the solemnity it should be granted. There’s nothing false about it. If you choose to formally renounce your Catholicity then you should follow the process to do that. If you don’t tell anyone how else would they know?

  135. Katfish Avatar

    #69 dave
    It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

    Right squack?

  136. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #69 dave
    It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
    Right squack?

  137. Tedtam Avatar

    WORKING WITH THE CITY #%!@#ING SUCKS!

    IT SUCKS, I SAY!

    /feeling only a little bit better….

  138. Tedtam Avatar

    WORKING WITH THE CITY #%!@#ING SUCKS!
    IT SUCKS, I SAY!
    /feeling only a little bit better….

  139. Katfish Avatar

    #70 hamous
    It’s also why divorce is difficult in the Church. The couple goes through an extended interview process prior to the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and has ample opportunity to bail out. Once they decide to go through with it, “as long as you both shall live” becomes the operative phrase.

    In my case, Yellow Hair and I were married “many” years ago in a Nuptial Mass. We have two teen-aged kids. Unless one of us has some incredibly deep, dark secret that would invalidate the sacrament, we’re stuck with each other. The only way anyone is getting out of this marriage is feet-first.

    Point of fact – all seven of the sacraments are that way, but the “one time only” ones are even more so – Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, and Holy Matrimony. Each involves an indelible mark on your soul.

  140. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #70 hamous
    It’s also why divorce is difficult in the Church. The couple goes through an extended interview process prior to the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and has ample opportunity to bail out. Once they decide to go through with it, “as long as you both shall live” becomes the operative phrase.
    In my case, Yellow Hair and I were married “many” years ago in a Nuptial Mass. We have two teen-aged kids. Unless one of us has some incredibly deep, dark secret that would invalidate the sacrament, we’re stuck with each other. The only way anyone is getting out of this marriage is feet-first.
    Point of fact – all seven of the sacraments are that way, but the “one time only” ones are even more so – Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, and Holy Matrimony. Each involves an indelible mark on your soul.

  141. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    accessible only by ferry

    Shouldn’t that be ‘ fairy’?
    didn’t know they had their own island.

  142. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    accessible only by ferry

    Shouldn’t that be ‘ fairy’?
    didn’t know they had their own island.

  143. Katfish Avatar

    #69 dave
    Now that I look at hamous’ picture again, he could take Miss Gov Barbour.

    I nominate hamous for Miss Gov!

  144. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #69 dave
    Now that I look at hamous’ picture again, he could take Miss Gov Barbour.
    I nominate hamous for Miss Gov!

  145. Katfish Avatar

    didnโ€™t know they had their own island.

    It’s a peninsula with some really rocky areas blocking the land route.

    It’s effectively an island.

  146. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    didnโ€™t know they had their own island.

    It’s a peninsula with some really rocky areas blocking the land route.
    It’s effectively an island.

  147. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I have to say, that’s one fine-looking mullet. It even has its own aura!

  148. Hamous Avatar

    I have to say, that’s one fine-looking mullet. It even has its own aura!

  149. Katfish Avatar

    It even has its own aura!

    Looks like it might have its own feet, too.

  150. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It even has its own aura!

    Looks like it might have its own feet, too.

  151. SC Avatar
    SC

    WORKING WITH THE CITY #%!@#ING SUCKS!

    Yep, I’ll second that.

  152. SC Avatar
    SC

    WORKING WITH THE CITY #%!@#ING SUCKS!

    Yep, I’ll second that.

  153. Katfish Avatar

    I feel I must return us to the arts:

    O! Squirrel brother,
    Your tail, my hair. We are one.
    Yet I must eat you.

    I liked that foreign
    legion movie so much, I
    grew me one them hats.

  154. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I feel I must return us to the arts:
    O! Squirrel brother,
    Your tail, my hair. We are one.
    Yet I must eat you.
    I liked that foreign
    legion movie so much, I
    grew me one them hats.

  155. Hamous Avatar

    Pyro:

    point of fact โ€“ all seven of the sacraments are that way, but the โ€œone time onlyโ€ ones are even more so โ€“ Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, and Holy Matrimony. Each involves an indelible mark on your soul.

    1) THe C’s christen infants, those infants are not capable of making ANY decision of any kind. If an infant is chistened as a C, how does that leave an indelible stain/mark on its soul? The New Testament only speaks of baptism as an immersion and a free-will choice by the one being baptized.
    2) My sister, one of the remaining C’s in my family, was married for 20+ years and had 5 children + 1 miscarriage. Her husband converted before they got married and went through all the stuff to be official. She was granted an annulment by the church because he admitted his heart was never fully committed to the marriage?!? She is now re-married to a widowed C and they both receive communion.

    I left the C’s for cause(s) which I found in Scripture that the C’s engage in that which is prohibited.

  156. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Pyro:

    point of fact โ€“ all seven of the sacraments are that way, but the โ€œone time onlyโ€ ones are even more so โ€“ Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, and Holy Matrimony. Each involves an indelible mark on your soul.

    1) THe C’s christen infants, those infants are not capable of making ANY decision of any kind. If an infant is chistened as a C, how does that leave an indelible stain/mark on its soul? The New Testament only speaks of baptism as an immersion and a free-will choice by the one being baptized.
    2) My sister, one of the remaining C’s in my family, was married for 20+ years and had 5 children + 1 miscarriage. Her husband converted before they got married and went through all the stuff to be official. She was granted an annulment by the church because he admitted his heart was never fully committed to the marriage?!? She is now re-married to a widowed C and they both receive communion.
    I left the C’s for cause(s) which I found in Scripture that the C’s engage in that which is prohibited.

  157. Tedtam Avatar

    #81

    The New Testament only speaks of baptism as an immersion and a free-will choice by the one being baptized.

    No, not really. Whole households converted over, and that would include the children.

    When you think of baptism as the opening of a gate for God, not an opening of a gate by the individual, it makes more sense.

  158. Tedtam Avatar

    #81

    The New Testament only speaks of baptism as an immersion and a free-will choice by the one being baptized.

    No, not really. Whole households converted over, and that would include the children.
    When you think of baptism as the opening of a gate for God, not an opening of a gate by the individual, it makes more sense.

  159. Tedtam Avatar

    Here’s one answer about the Catholic Church’s view on infant baptism:

    Q: A non-Catholic friend has asked me how Catholics justify infant baptism from Scripture.

    Neither Catholics, nor any other Christians, are compelled to justify either of these Christian practices from Scripture. We are required to justify them from revelation. Sacred Scripture does not say anything about the age of those to be baptized; but Scripture is not all of revelation (if your friend thinks otherwise, she might explain how she knows that). Relying on Scripture alone, we would be simply ignorant of what Godโ€™s will is in this. Fortunately, Scripture did not fall down out of the sky; it was given to us by the Apostles and their successors, within a context of Church life and practice. In this manner, they handed down to us (traditio is the Latin term for โ€œhanding down,โ€ by the way) elements of Godโ€™s plan that are not explicitly contained in Sacred Scripture. Scripture and Tradition are the complementary channels that bring us Godโ€™s Word. None of the New Testament writers ever claimed to have written down everything Jesus said and did; in fact, St. John explicitly stated the contrary (cf. John 21:20).

    From the very beginning, the Church believed that it was not only permissible, but necessary, to baptize infants for salvation. Why? Because she believed that everyone โ€” including infants โ€” was affected by original sin and could be saved only by Christ. For her, the words of Christ, โ€œUnless a man is born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heavenโ€ (John 3:5) did not admit of any exception other than martyrdom. โ€œThere is explicit testimony to this practice from the second century on, and it is quite possible that, from the beginning of the apostolic preaching, when whole โ€œhouseholdsโ€ received baptism, infants may also have been baptizedโ€ (CCC 1252; cf. Acts 16:15,33; 18:8; 1 Cor. 1:16).

    Not only Catholics, but also Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists and Presbyterians practice infant baptism.

    I love Envoy magazine.

  160. Tedtam Avatar

    Here’s one answer about the Catholic Church’s view on infant baptism:

    Q: A non-Catholic friend has asked me how Catholics justify infant baptism from Scripture.
    Neither Catholics, nor any other Christians, are compelled to justify either of these Christian practices from Scripture. We are required to justify them from revelation. Sacred Scripture does not say anything about the age of those to be baptized; but Scripture is not all of revelation (if your friend thinks otherwise, she might explain how she knows that). Relying on Scripture alone, we would be simply ignorant of what Godโ€™s will is in this. Fortunately, Scripture did not fall down out of the sky; it was given to us by the Apostles and their successors, within a context of Church life and practice. In this manner, they handed down to us (traditio is the Latin term for โ€œhanding down,โ€ by the way) elements of Godโ€™s plan that are not explicitly contained in Sacred Scripture. Scripture and Tradition are the complementary channels that bring us Godโ€™s Word. None of the New Testament writers ever claimed to have written down everything Jesus said and did; in fact, St. John explicitly stated the contrary (cf. John 21:20).
    From the very beginning, the Church believed that it was not only permissible, but necessary, to baptize infants for salvation. Why? Because she believed that everyone โ€” including infants โ€” was affected by original sin and could be saved only by Christ. For her, the words of Christ, โ€œUnless a man is born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heavenโ€ (John 3:5) did not admit of any exception other than martyrdom. โ€œThere is explicit testimony to this practice from the second century on, and it is quite possible that, from the beginning of the apostolic preaching, when whole โ€œhouseholdsโ€ received baptism, infants may also have been baptizedโ€ (CCC 1252; cf. Acts 16:15,33; 18:8; 1 Cor. 1:16).
    Not only Catholics, but also Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists and Presbyterians practice infant baptism.

    I love Envoy magazine.

  161. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    #69 dave
    Itโ€™s the gift that keeps on giving.

    Right squack?

    Oh I dunno. I only do this so that Hammie can pull out my picture of shame that he and my WIFE have conspired against me with.

    Hey wait I have a picture of Baby Hamous somewhere that needs to be republished.

  162. squawkbox Avatar

    #69 dave
    Itโ€™s the gift that keeps on giving.
    Right squack?

    Oh I dunno. I only do this so that Hammie can pull out my picture of shame that he and my WIFE have conspired against me with.
    Hey wait I have a picture of Baby Hamous somewhere that needs to be republished.

  163. Katfish Avatar

    #81 bone
    Catholics baptize infants; we do not “christen” them.

    All your anecdote regarding your sister’s marriage says is that they convinced the local Ordinary and his canon lawyers that the marriage was not sacramental.

    I left the Cโ€™s for cause(s) which I found in Scripture that the Cโ€™s engage in that which is prohibited.

    In your opinion.

  164. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #81 bone
    Catholics baptize infants; we do not “christen” them.
    All your anecdote regarding your sister’s marriage says is that they convinced the local Ordinary and his canon lawyers that the marriage was not sacramental.

    I left the Cโ€™s for cause(s) which I found in Scripture that the Cโ€™s engage in that which is prohibited.

    In your opinion.

  165. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I left the Cโ€™s for cause(s) which I found in Scripture that the Cโ€™s engage in that which I interpret is prohibited.

    Bold added by me.

  166. Hamous Avatar

    I left the Cโ€™s for cause(s) which I found in Scripture that the Cโ€™s engage in that which I interpret is prohibited.

    Bold added by me.

  167. Katfish Avatar

    Hey wait I have a picture of Baby Hamous somewhere that needs to be republished.

    Oh, reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyy?

  168. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Hey wait I have a picture of Baby Hamous somewhere that needs to be republished.

    Oh, reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyy?

  169. Hamous Avatar

    TT: I have no problem at all with parents dedicating a child to THE FATHER, and a christening, the sprinkling of water on the head, is really nice; it does not represent BAPTISM, however. Baptism, or to use the original language aramaic phrase ma-amad, implies a decision that the person has made on a personal level and the phrase literally means to to stand before. When one was baptized then, the children were allowed to come which is different than being brought. It was done frequently in OT times as it symbolized a change in status from unclean to clean (leprosy and other conditions), among other things.
    Baptism is an OT concept, otherwise, how would the masses have known to come and get dunked in the river if it wasn’t already viewed as an acceptable thing in the pursuit of righteousness?

  170. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    TT: I have no problem at all with parents dedicating a child to THE FATHER, and a christening, the sprinkling of water on the head, is really nice; it does not represent BAPTISM, however. Baptism, or to use the original language aramaic phrase ma-amad, implies a decision that the person has made on a personal level and the phrase literally means to to stand before. When one was baptized then, the children were allowed to come which is different than being brought. It was done frequently in OT times as it symbolized a change in status from unclean to clean (leprosy and other conditions), among other things.
    Baptism is an OT concept, otherwise, how would the masses have known to come and get dunked in the river if it wasn’t already viewed as an acceptable thing in the pursuit of righteousness?

  171. Tedtam Avatar

    It’s always surprising/dismaying/amusing/angering that people who do not (1)participate in membership of the Catholic Church, (2) do not fully understand the doctrines of the Church, or (3)have some kind of personal animosity or axe to grind with the Church keep calling for changes within the Church.

    Membership in any religion is voluntary – except, in some cases, Islam, as far as I understand – so if someone is not happy with the way the Church believes and exercises Her faith, they are free to leave. This recent brouhaha with this woman whose child’s mental capacity gave her priest pause about administering First Communion is a case in point. Even many Catholics don’t understand why things are done, or not done, and instead of trying to understand come out and lash against the Church. All they do is expose their own ignorance. The woman was very upset about her child being offered the Anointing of the Sick. She told Channel 11 news that the Anointing was reserved for those about to die, and she was insulted. The story played at 6:00 pm and unchanged again at 11:00 pm. I wrote to Ch 11 and expressed how disappointed I was at their inability to confirm facts and to report the story accurately.

    There were reasons to deny Communion. They were explained to the mother. She has the right to be disappointed. The Anointing is administered to those who are ill, not just the dying. On that point she is vastly ignorant, and that fact could have easily been checked. But if that had happened, the story would not have been so negative about the Church. Comments that I’ve read where this story was discussed show a lot of ignorance about the sacraments, both inside and outside the Church.

    Sad.

  172. Tedtam Avatar

    It’s always surprising/dismaying/amusing/angering that people who do not (1)participate in membership of the Catholic Church, (2) do not fully understand the doctrines of the Church, or (3)have some kind of personal animosity or axe to grind with the Church keep calling for changes within the Church.
    Membership in any religion is voluntary – except, in some cases, Islam, as far as I understand – so if someone is not happy with the way the Church believes and exercises Her faith, they are free to leave. This recent brouhaha with this woman whose child’s mental capacity gave her priest pause about administering First Communion is a case in point. Even many Catholics don’t understand why things are done, or not done, and instead of trying to understand come out and lash against the Church. All they do is expose their own ignorance. The woman was very upset about her child being offered the Anointing of the Sick. She told Channel 11 news that the Anointing was reserved for those about to die, and she was insulted. The story played at 6:00 pm and unchanged again at 11:00 pm. I wrote to Ch 11 and expressed how disappointed I was at their inability to confirm facts and to report the story accurately.
    There were reasons to deny Communion. They were explained to the mother. She has the right to be disappointed. The Anointing is administered to those who are ill, not just the dying. On that point she is vastly ignorant, and that fact could have easily been checked. But if that had happened, the story would not have been so negative about the Church. Comments that I’ve read where this story was discussed show a lot of ignorance about the sacraments, both inside and outside the Church.
    Sad.

  173. Tedtam Avatar

    #88 Bonecrusher

    As much as I admire your efforts to be faithful to whatever your interpretation of history and the Bible are, I’m not going against 2000 years of scholarship on the issue, by minds much greater than mine, done by spiritual descendants of those who walked with Christ himself and with whom he left the Deposit of Faith. The Deposit includes things not written.

  174. Tedtam Avatar

    #88 Bonecrusher
    As much as I admire your efforts to be faithful to whatever your interpretation of history and the Bible are, I’m not going against 2000 years of scholarship on the issue, by minds much greater than mine, done by spiritual descendants of those who walked with Christ himself and with whom he left the Deposit of Faith. The Deposit includes things not written.

  175. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    People were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them, and when the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, “Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.” – Luke 18:15-16

  176. Hamous Avatar

    People were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them, and when the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, “Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.” – Luke 18:15-16

  177. Tedtam Avatar

    #88 Bone

    It was done frequently in OT times as it symbolized a change in status from unclean to clean (leprosy and other conditions), among other things.
    Baptism is an OT concept, otherwise, how would the masses have known to come and get dunked in the river if it wasnโ€™t already viewed as an acceptable thing in the pursuit of righteousness?

    I always thought that Jesus changed a few rules when he began his ministry. Mayhaps I am incorrect?

  178. Tedtam Avatar

    #88 Bone

    It was done frequently in OT times as it symbolized a change in status from unclean to clean (leprosy and other conditions), among other things.
    Baptism is an OT concept, otherwise, how would the masses have known to come and get dunked in the river if it wasnโ€™t already viewed as an acceptable thing in the pursuit of righteousness?

    I always thought that Jesus changed a few rules when he began his ministry. Mayhaps I am incorrect?

  179. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Everyone who reads the Scriptures interprets them to a degree, some to a larger degree than others. That’s why in 2000 years we have some 20,000 sects in Christianity. I’m with Tedtam – I’m not willing to throw away 2000 years of scholarship because some new self-appointed scholar’s interpretation may sound better to me.

  180. Hamous Avatar

    Everyone who reads the Scriptures interprets them to a degree, some to a larger degree than others. That’s why in 2000 years we have some 20,000 sects in Christianity. I’m with Tedtam – I’m not willing to throw away 2000 years of scholarship because some new self-appointed scholar’s interpretation may sound better to me.

  181. Tedtam Avatar

    I think it all boils down the concept of authority. Who has the authority to establish norms for belief and interpretation? One of the books I recommend to my students is Paul Shea’s By What Authority?: An Evangelical Discovers Catholic Tradition. It explains it so clearly.

  182. Tedtam Avatar

    I think it all boils down the concept of authority. Who has the authority to establish norms for belief and interpretation? One of the books I recommend to my students is Paul Shea’s By What Authority?: An Evangelical Discovers Catholic Tradition. It explains it so clearly.

  183. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Hey wait I have a picture of Baby Hamous somewhere that needs to be republished.

    Oh, reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyy?

    Oh yeeeeeaaaahhhhhhh

    Gotta find it in all this clutter.

  184. squawkbox Avatar

    Hey wait I have a picture of Baby Hamous somewhere that needs to be republished.

    Oh, reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyy?

    Oh yeeeeeaaaahhhhhhh
    Gotta find it in all this clutter.

  185. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #55 –

    Who can be offended by tallywacker? It would be like being offended by puppies.

    Verily Verily I sayeth unto thee – the SAME Mo-Ronz / NASA rejects / Whiners-for-dollars that found the Taco Bell Chihuahua offensive!!!!

    That’s WHO!

  186. Katfish Avatar

    #55 –

    Who can be offended by tallywacker? It would be like being offended by puppies.

    Verily Verily I sayeth unto thee – the SAME Mo-Ronz / NASA rejects / Whiners-for-dollars that found the Taco Bell Chihuahua offensive!!!!
    That’s WHO!

  187. Katfish Avatar

    And before we get into whatever error the Church may have committed, remember two things: she is made up of very fallible humans and that she has flourished, not only because of, but despite those very same humans.

  188. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    And before we get into whatever error the Church may have committed, remember two things: she is made up of very fallible humans and that she has flourished, not only because of, but despite those very same humans.

  189. Katfish Avatar

    One other thing…

    The indelible mark left on the soul by baptism?

    It’s the once-again perfectly intact unscarred soul due to the removal of the stain of origal sin and any other sin committed up to that point by the person being baptized.

  190. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    One other thing…
    The indelible mark left on the soul by baptism?
    It’s the once-again perfectly intact unscarred soul due to the removal of the stain of origal sin and any other sin committed up to that point by the person being baptized.

  191. Hamous Avatar

    #92 TT

    I always thought that Jesus changed a few rules when he began his ministry. Mayhaps I am incorrect?

    Messiah had zero respect for the ORAL LAW. The Oral law was added to and treated the same as the Written Law which is in contravention to what the Torah dictates.

    Deut 4:1-2
    “Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2 “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
    NASU

    The WRITTEN LAW will never pass away.

    Matt 5:17-20

    17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Do you wish to be least or greatest in THE KINGDOM?

    For the sake of clarity:
    The Law and the Prophets means: The Torah and the rest of the OT
    Righteousness means: Commandment keeping

    Deut 6:24-25
    24 “So the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. 25 “It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the Lord our God, just as He commanded us.
    NASU

    You will note that all of the OT prophets basically preached the same thing; which is to repent and turn back to HIS ways which means the Torah.

    ALL IS NOT ACCOMPLISHED: We have not had the battle of Armegeddon yet, we have not had the “outing ” of the anti-messiah, we have not yet gone through the great tribulation, we have not yet seen the 2 witnesses who shut up the rain for 3 1/2 years and get killed and lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days for the whole world to see and then get resurrected, etc. If all is not accomplished (and clearly it is not) then THE WRITTEN LAW, is still in effect.

    IF a priest/prophet/preacher preaches against what the Torah dictates then see above.

    I really do understand how bitter a pill it is to take when major tenets of your faith are challenged and you are faced with the choice of : do I believe what The Scriptures actually say (translated as best as possible from the original language and context) or am I going to be bound by what I have been taught by men?

    The big challenge is to show me where there is any change in THE WRITTEN LAW in the NT; this requires real discernment as to know which law (Written vs. oral) Paul is speaking of when he writes to the Galatians.

    Acts 21:20-25
    20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 “What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 “Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 25
    NASU

    Paul took a Nazirite vow, and walked according to the Written Law all his life. He most likely serially violated the oral law but not the Written Law.

    REDEMPTION IS NOT THE SAME AS SALVATION.

  192. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #92 TT

    I always thought that Jesus changed a few rules when he began his ministry. Mayhaps I am incorrect?

    Messiah had zero respect for the ORAL LAW. The Oral law was added to and treated the same as the Written Law which is in contravention to what the Torah dictates.

    Deut 4:1-2
    “Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2 “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
    NASU

    The WRITTEN LAW will never pass away.

    Matt 5:17-20
    17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Do you wish to be least or greatest in THE KINGDOM?
    For the sake of clarity:
    The Law and the Prophets means: The Torah and the rest of the OT
    Righteousness means: Commandment keeping

    Deut 6:24-25
    24 “So the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. 25 “It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the Lord our God, just as He commanded us.
    NASU

    You will note that all of the OT prophets basically preached the same thing; which is to repent and turn back to HIS ways which means the Torah.
    ALL IS NOT ACCOMPLISHED: We have not had the battle of Armegeddon yet, we have not had the “outing ” of the anti-messiah, we have not yet gone through the great tribulation, we have not yet seen the 2 witnesses who shut up the rain for 3 1/2 years and get killed and lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days for the whole world to see and then get resurrected, etc. If all is not accomplished (and clearly it is not) then THE WRITTEN LAW, is still in effect.
    IF a priest/prophet/preacher preaches against what the Torah dictates then see above.
    I really do understand how bitter a pill it is to take when major tenets of your faith are challenged and you are faced with the choice of : do I believe what The Scriptures actually say (translated as best as possible from the original language and context) or am I going to be bound by what I have been taught by men?
    The big challenge is to show me where there is any change in THE WRITTEN LAW in the NT; this requires real discernment as to know which law (Written vs. oral) Paul is speaking of when he writes to the Galatians.

    Acts 21:20-25
    20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 “What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 “Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 25
    NASU

    Paul took a Nazirite vow, and walked according to the Written Law all his life. He most likely serially violated the oral law but not the Written Law.
    REDEMPTION IS NOT THE SAME AS SALVATION.

  193. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Hundred!

  194. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    What next? Lutherans deciding that maybe they just might not have gotten it right a few hundred years ago

    Well, let’s not get The Big Head or all overconfident now. ๐Ÿ™‚

  195. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    What next? Lutherans deciding that maybe they just might not have gotten it right a few hundred years ago

    Well, let’s not get The Big Head or all overconfident now. ๐Ÿ™‚

  196. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    In fact, I believe the Vatican finally decided we got the justfication thingy right.
    ๐Ÿ™‚

  197. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    In fact, I believe the Vatican finally decided we got the justfication thingy right.
    ๐Ÿ™‚

  198. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    As a former Episcopalian (well, sort of), I respect the Catholics for drawing a line. This is the Church and not some fad. Catholics have their problems but they do not make _openly_ practicing perverts Bishops.

  199. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    As a former Episcopalian (well, sort of), I respect the Catholics for drawing a line. This is the Church and not some fad. Catholics have their problems but they do not make _openly_ practicing perverts Bishops.

  200. TRUTH Avatar
    TRUTH

    Hello everyone,
    I’m new to this site and I look forward to adding some interesting truths with concrete facts that are deeply rooted to history (His Story) meaning God’s story not man’s views or speculations, or interpretations. If we really believe in the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, we better get started in rolling up our sleeves and not be afraid to get dirty. We must start to mature by doing some heavy duty investigating of the fact and to do that, we all have to put man made religious systems, including our own views, aside in order to really find out what the REAL TRUTH of the scriptures are and what is really being said in them. We also need to throw all the ancient historical resources on the table and begin to read and dig for the truth.

  201. TRUTH Avatar
    TRUTH

    Hello everyone,
    I’m new to this site and I look forward to adding some interesting truths with concrete facts that are deeply rooted to history (His Story) meaning God’s story not man’s views or speculations, or interpretations. If we really believe in the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, we better get started in rolling up our sleeves and not be afraid to get dirty. We must start to mature by doing some heavy duty investigating of the fact and to do that, we all have to put man made religious systems, including our own views, aside in order to really find out what the REAL TRUTH of the scriptures are and what is really being said in them. We also need to throw all the ancient historical resources on the table and begin to read and dig for the truth.

  202. Hamous Avatar

    GtoDude:
    Why is it that it is always so easy to beat an Episcopalian in chess?. . . . . . . . .Because they cant tell the difference between a bishop and a queen.

  203. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    GtoDude:
    Why is it that it is always so easy to beat an Episcopalian in chess?. . . . . . . . .Because they cant tell the difference between a bishop and a queen.

  204. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    BoneDude, dunno If I am the last one to hear that, but I will find out.

    /freaking hilarious…

  205. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    BoneDude, dunno If I am the last one to hear that, but I will find out.
    /freaking hilarious…

  206. TRUTH Avatar
    TRUTH

    Bone 88

    It was done frequently in OT times as it symbolized a change in status from unclean to clean (leprosy and other conditions), among other things.
    Baptism is an OT concept, otherwise, how would the masses have known to come and get dunked in the river if it wasnโ€™t already viewed as an acceptable thing in the pursuit of righteousness?

    Let’s not forget that immersion into the water as many think is called (Baptizing) was done in NT times too. If we read and investigate all the resources we will find that immersion is set in motion by God Himself. It’s not a man made ritual. Again “IF” we will humble ourselves and READ the book for ourselves we will find out many many truths that have been sitting there in God’s book just waiting for all of us to read it for ourselves, instead of expecting some one else to read it for us. God’s book is an instruction book that tells us how to live. But No one wants to read it. We as a people have become very very lasy and we don’t want to read things for ourselves. I encourage all of you in this blog to read it from the beginning strait through to the very end on your own with no priest, paster, good friend etc. telling you what they think it means. The bible interprets itself. Try it.

  207. TRUTH Avatar
    TRUTH

    Bone 88

    It was done frequently in OT times as it symbolized a change in status from unclean to clean (leprosy and other conditions), among other things.
    Baptism is an OT concept, otherwise, how would the masses have known to come and get dunked in the river if it wasnโ€™t already viewed as an acceptable thing in the pursuit of righteousness?

    Let’s not forget that immersion into the water as many think is called (Baptizing) was done in NT times too. If we read and investigate all the resources we will find that immersion is set in motion by God Himself. It’s not a man made ritual. Again “IF” we will humble ourselves and READ the book for ourselves we will find out many many truths that have been sitting there in God’s book just waiting for all of us to read it for ourselves, instead of expecting some one else to read it for us. God’s book is an instruction book that tells us how to live. But No one wants to read it. We as a people have become very very lasy and we don’t want to read things for ourselves. I encourage all of you in this blog to read it from the beginning strait through to the very end on your own with no priest, paster, good friend etc. telling you what they think it means. The bible interprets itself. Try it.

  208. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #99 Boney, God bless ya, but we’ve been down this road many times. We can (and have) throw verses at each other all night long. I will say the Word proves my point. You will say the Word proves your point. It really goes nowhere.

    For instance we’ve debated, with Scripture, whether Jesus is the new and everlasting covenant that replaces the old Law. It is as clear as day to me as I read the Scripture He is that new covenant. It is as clear as day to you He isn’t. You will never change my mind and I imagine I’ll never change yours. Let’s just head out on our paths to Salvation and hopefully, as the song says, in the sweet by-and-by we shall meet on that beautiful shore.

  209. Hamous Avatar

    #99 Boney, God bless ya, but we’ve been down this road many times. We can (and have) throw verses at each other all night long. I will say the Word proves my point. You will say the Word proves your point. It really goes nowhere.
    For instance we’ve debated, with Scripture, whether Jesus is the new and everlasting covenant that replaces the old Law. It is as clear as day to me as I read the Scripture He is that new covenant. It is as clear as day to you He isn’t. You will never change my mind and I imagine I’ll never change yours. Let’s just head out on our paths to Salvation and hopefully, as the song says, in the sweet by-and-by we shall meet on that beautiful shore.

  210. Hamous Avatar

    #89 TT:

    (1)participate in membership of the Catholic Church, (2) do not fully understand the doctrines of the Church, or (3)have some kind of personal animosity or axe to grind with the Church keep calling for changes within the Church.

    1) Been there done that went to catechism
    2) Just because I do not agree with the conclusions the C’s have DOES NOT MEAN that I do not understand. I could just as easily make the same claim against everyone who does not agree with me, but I will not. No one knows what another truly understands and to what degree when it comes to THE WORD; to claim that you do because one does not agree with you (or your team) implies arrogance.
    3) My quest is for THE TRUTH and I will not risk my immortal soul because someone says so, I have to be able to verify with the best unbiased tools I have and that is THE SCRIPTURES.

    . Iโ€™m with Tedtam โ€“ Iโ€™m not willing to throw away 2000 years of scholarship because some new self-appointed scholarโ€™s interpretation may sound better to me.

    Just because something has been taught for a long time does not make it correct or accurate. The intensity of one’s belief that the world is flat does not alter the fact that the world is in fact round(ish). For centuries it was believed that meat would automatically produce maggots; it was an intrinsic characteristic of the meat; that does not change the fact that it was the flys laying eggs that produced the maggots, it was not an intrinsic characteristic of the meat.
    I AM NOT ASKING ANYONE TO SIMPLY BELIEVE WHAT I PROFESS SOLEY BECAUSE I SAID SO. I am suggesting that what has been taught for a long time is in error and have tried to produce the supporting evidence, in context to prove my claim(s).

    Here is the real test: Is a religious practice done today mirrored in The Scriptures or is it prohibited? IF it is prohibited, like say homosexuality, and your church says it is ok then there is a real conflict and the two are mutually exclusive so who are you going to believe the UNCHANGING WORD OF ELOHIM OR THE WORD OF MAN?

  211. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #89 TT:

    (1)participate in membership of the Catholic Church, (2) do not fully understand the doctrines of the Church, or (3)have some kind of personal animosity or axe to grind with the Church keep calling for changes within the Church.

    1) Been there done that went to catechism
    2) Just because I do not agree with the conclusions the C’s have DOES NOT MEAN that I do not understand. I could just as easily make the same claim against everyone who does not agree with me, but I will not. No one knows what another truly understands and to what degree when it comes to THE WORD; to claim that you do because one does not agree with you (or your team) implies arrogance.
    3) My quest is for THE TRUTH and I will not risk my immortal soul because someone says so, I have to be able to verify with the best unbiased tools I have and that is THE SCRIPTURES.

    . Iโ€™m with Tedtam โ€“ Iโ€™m not willing to throw away 2000 years of scholarship because some new self-appointed scholarโ€™s interpretation may sound better to me.

    Just because something has been taught for a long time does not make it correct or accurate. The intensity of one’s belief that the world is flat does not alter the fact that the world is in fact round(ish). For centuries it was believed that meat would automatically produce maggots; it was an intrinsic characteristic of the meat; that does not change the fact that it was the flys laying eggs that produced the maggots, it was not an intrinsic characteristic of the meat.
    I AM NOT ASKING ANYONE TO SIMPLY BELIEVE WHAT I PROFESS SOLEY BECAUSE I SAID SO. I am suggesting that what has been taught for a long time is in error and have tried to produce the supporting evidence, in context to prove my claim(s).
    Here is the real test: Is a religious practice done today mirrored in The Scriptures or is it prohibited? IF it is prohibited, like say homosexuality, and your church says it is ok then there is a real conflict and the two are mutually exclusive so who are you going to believe the UNCHANGING WORD OF ELOHIM OR THE WORD OF MAN?

  212. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    dunno If I am the last one to hear that, but I will find out.

    The best you could have been was next-to-the-last, but I concur. That’s hilarious.

  213. Hamous Avatar

    dunno If I am the last one to hear that, but I will find out.

    The best you could have been was next-to-the-last, but I concur. That’s hilarious.

  214. Katfish Avatar

    Let us turn to a divinely-inspired statement of the Church’s teaching on the Law and its fulfillment:

    Jesus, Israel’s Messiah and therefore the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, was to fulfill the Law by keeping it in its all-embracing detailโ€”according to his own words, down to “the least of these commandments.” He is in fact the only one who could keep it perfectly. On their own admission the Jews were never able to observe the Law in its entirety without violating the least of its precepts. This is why every year on the Day of Atonement the children of Israel ask God’s forgiveness for their transgressions of the Law. The Law indeed makes up one inseparable whole, and St. James recalls, “Whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.”

    This principle of integral observance of the Law not only in letter but in spirit was dear to the Pharisees. By giving Israel this principle they had led many Jews of Jesus’ time to an extreme religious zeal. This zeal, were it not to lapse into “hypocritical” casuistry, could only prepare the People for the unprecedented intervention of God through the perfect fulfillment of the Law by the only Righteous One in place of all sinners.

    The perfect fulfillment of the Law could be the work of none but the divine legislator, born subject to the Law in the person of the Son. In Jesus, the Law no longer appears engraved on tables of stone but “upon the heart” of the Servant who becomes “a covenant to the people,” because he will “faithfully bring forth justice.” Jesus fulfills the Law to the point of taking upon himself “the curse of the Law” incurred by those who do not “abide by the things written in the book of the Law, and do them,” for his death took place to redeem them “from the transgressions under the first covenant.”

    The Jewish people and their spiritual leaders viewed Jesus as a rabbi.340 He often argued within the framework of rabbinical interpretation of the Law. Yet Jesus could not help but offend the teachers of the Law, for he was not content to propose his interpretation alongside theirs but taught the people “as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.” In Jesus, the same Word of God, that had resounded on Mount Sinai to give the written Law to Moses, made itself heard anew on the Mount of the Beatitudes. Jesus did not abolish the Law but fulfilled it by giving its ultimate interpretation in a divine way: “You have heard that it was said to the men of old. . . . But I say to you. . . .” With this same divine authority, he disavowed certain human traditions of the Pharisees that were “making void the word of God.”

    Going even further, Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: “Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him . . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.). What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . . .” In presenting with divine authority the definitive interpretation of the Law, Jesus found himself confronted by certain teachers of the Law who did not accept his interpretation of the Law, guaranteed though it was by the divine signs that accompanied it. This was the case especially with the sabbath laws, for he recalls often with rabbinical arguments, that the sabbath rest is not violated by serving God and neighbor, which his own healings did. [CCC 587-582; footnotes containing references to scripture at the link]

    In this section, it is clear that Jesus did indeed state categorically that he is the fulfillment of the Law and St James adds that anyone who does not follow it to the least of its precepts was as guilty as one who did not follow any of it. (578)

    That said, he is clearly the only human who could have kept it perfectly. (580) begins by saying the perfect fulfillment of the Law could only be by and through the Incarnate Word (cf. John 1:1). Jesus as God is the Word, the Law. While he typically taught as a rabbi, using familiar methods for the times in which he taught as man, we must always remember he is both man and God. He is not merely the greatest philosopher and teacher of morals; were he that, he would have stature similar to Socrates, Virgil, and Aristotle.

    In (581) we see that Jesus did righteously smack the Pharisees and their errant interpretations of the Law. However, in (582) we see that Jesus reveals the pedagogical intent of the Law and that that intent is the important thing to follow (viz. dietary laws and sabbath activities).

    So, we see that there is an element of being correct on both sides (bone & the crazy one) here.

  215. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Let us turn to a divinely-inspired statement of the Church’s teaching on the Law and its fulfillment:

    Jesus, Israel’s Messiah and therefore the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, was to fulfill the Law by keeping it in its all-embracing detailโ€”according to his own words, down to “the least of these commandments.” He is in fact the only one who could keep it perfectly. On their own admission the Jews were never able to observe the Law in its entirety without violating the least of its precepts. This is why every year on the Day of Atonement the children of Israel ask God’s forgiveness for their transgressions of the Law. The Law indeed makes up one inseparable whole, and St. James recalls, “Whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.”
    This principle of integral observance of the Law not only in letter but in spirit was dear to the Pharisees. By giving Israel this principle they had led many Jews of Jesus’ time to an extreme religious zeal. This zeal, were it not to lapse into “hypocritical” casuistry, could only prepare the People for the unprecedented intervention of God through the perfect fulfillment of the Law by the only Righteous One in place of all sinners.
    The perfect fulfillment of the Law could be the work of none but the divine legislator, born subject to the Law in the person of the Son. In Jesus, the Law no longer appears engraved on tables of stone but “upon the heart” of the Servant who becomes “a covenant to the people,” because he will “faithfully bring forth justice.” Jesus fulfills the Law to the point of taking upon himself “the curse of the Law” incurred by those who do not “abide by the things written in the book of the Law, and do them,” for his death took place to redeem them “from the transgressions under the first covenant.”
    The Jewish people and their spiritual leaders viewed Jesus as a rabbi.340 He often argued within the framework of rabbinical interpretation of the Law. Yet Jesus could not help but offend the teachers of the Law, for he was not content to propose his interpretation alongside theirs but taught the people “as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.” In Jesus, the same Word of God, that had resounded on Mount Sinai to give the written Law to Moses, made itself heard anew on the Mount of the Beatitudes. Jesus did not abolish the Law but fulfilled it by giving its ultimate interpretation in a divine way: “You have heard that it was said to the men of old. . . . But I say to you. . . .” With this same divine authority, he disavowed certain human traditions of the Pharisees that were “making void the word of God.”
    Going even further, Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: “Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him . . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.). What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . . .” In presenting with divine authority the definitive interpretation of the Law, Jesus found himself confronted by certain teachers of the Law who did not accept his interpretation of the Law, guaranteed though it was by the divine signs that accompanied it. This was the case especially with the sabbath laws, for he recalls often with rabbinical arguments, that the sabbath rest is not violated by serving God and neighbor, which his own healings did. [CCC 587-582; footnotes containing references to scripture at the link]

    In this section, it is clear that Jesus did indeed state categorically that he is the fulfillment of the Law and St James adds that anyone who does not follow it to the least of its precepts was as guilty as one who did not follow any of it. (578)
    That said, he is clearly the only human who could have kept it perfectly. (580) begins by saying the perfect fulfillment of the Law could only be by and through the Incarnate Word (cf. John 1:1). Jesus as God is the Word, the Law. While he typically taught as a rabbi, using familiar methods for the times in which he taught as man, we must always remember he is both man and God. He is not merely the greatest philosopher and teacher of morals; were he that, he would have stature similar to Socrates, Virgil, and Aristotle.
    In (581) we see that Jesus did righteously smack the Pharisees and their errant interpretations of the Law. However, in (582) we see that Jesus reveals the pedagogical intent of the Law and that that intent is the important thing to follow (viz. dietary laws and sabbath activities).
    So, we see that there is an element of being correct on both sides (bone & the crazy one) here.

  216. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous 13&17;

    When developing the CD he insisted that it hold a minimum of 75 minutes so that he could listen to Beethovenโ€™s Ninth Symphony without interruption.

    Very cool geek trivia.

    Just โ€™cause your cat has kittens in the ovenโ€ฆ

    Doesn’t make them biscuits tallywhackers?

  217. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous 13&17;

    When developing the CD he insisted that it hold a minimum of 75 minutes so that he could listen to Beethovenโ€™s Ninth Symphony without interruption.

    Very cool geek trivia.

    Just โ€™cause your cat has kittens in the ovenโ€ฆ

    Doesn’t make them biscuits tallywhackers?

  218. Hamous Avatar

    #106 Hamous and by extension, TT and Pyro: WHEN MESSIAH RETURNS HE will straighten out these differences. I do not wish to speak ill of or create ill will with a believer in Messiah; we must remain steadfast that we are bretheren and sisteren and to always treat each other with dignity and respect.

  219. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #106 Hamous and by extension, TT and Pyro: WHEN MESSIAH RETURNS HE will straighten out these differences. I do not wish to speak ill of or create ill will with a believer in Messiah; we must remain steadfast that we are bretheren and sisteren and to always treat each other with dignity and respect.

  220. Katfish Avatar

    hamous – you might have email

  221. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    hamous – you might have email

  222. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Wagon #38;

    Dude, you sound worse than I did this weekend and I felt lousey as well.

    with an a$$load (literally) of drugs.

    So, to understand this correctly, your a$$ is literally loaded with drugs over a sinus problem? Dude, you may want to see a new doctor.

    Hope you feel better soon.

  223. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Wagon #38;
    Dude, you sound worse than I did this weekend and I felt lousey as well.

    with an a$$load (literally) of drugs.

    So, to understand this correctly, your a$$ is literally loaded with drugs over a sinus problem? Dude, you may want to see a new doctor.
    Hope you feel better soon.

  224. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #106 *cheap shot ALERT*

    (TFF but still a cheapie)

  225. Katfish Avatar

    #106 *cheap shot ALERT*
    (TFF but still a cheapie)

  226. Hamous Avatar

    #109 Pyro: Your post and mine most have crossed in the spit bucket. You quoted the Mark 7:19 passage. It is really important to look at the whole thing IN CONTEXT starting in verse 1

    Mark 7:1-4

    7 The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.)
    NASU

    โ€œWhatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him . . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.).

    IN YOUR SCRIPTURES look in the introduction and find out what those parenthesis mean. . . . .that phrase WAS ADDED LATER AND WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT; further it conflicts with the subject which was washing of hands and grime. the companion text is in Matthew

    Matt 15:1-4

    15 Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?

    snip
    Matt 15:15-20

    15 Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also? 17 “Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18 “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19 “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 “These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”
    NASU

    1) The subject in the whole passage IN BOTH CASES is THE WASHING OF HANDS and the grime associated, NOT FOOD. Block-quoting got messed up.

  227. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #109 Pyro: Your post and mine most have crossed in the spit bucket. You quoted the Mark 7:19 passage. It is really important to look at the whole thing IN CONTEXT starting in verse 1

    Mark 7:1-4
    7 The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.)
    NASU

    โ€œWhatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him . . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.).

    IN YOUR SCRIPTURES look in the introduction and find out what those parenthesis mean. . . . .that phrase WAS ADDED LATER AND WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT; further it conflicts with the subject which was washing of hands and grime. the companion text is in Matthew

    Matt 15:1-4
    15 Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
    snip
    Matt 15:15-20
    15 Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also? 17 “Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18 “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19 “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 “These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”
    NASU

    1) The subject in the whole passage IN BOTH CASES is THE WASHING OF HANDS and the grime associated, NOT FOOD. Block-quoting got messed up.

  228. Katfish Avatar

    ok, peeps (fits right in, huh?)
    Look up a few entries (#’s 105 & 108) for a new person and bid them welcome.

    Please be nice – at least for a couple of days, you philistines. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  229. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    ok, peeps (fits right in, huh?)
    Look up a few entries (#’s 105 & 108) for a new person and bid them welcome.
    Please be nice – at least for a couple of days, you philistines. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  230. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #105 – Hey Welcome and keep your Kevlar handy!

    #108 – Well SAID!

  231. Katfish Avatar

    #105 – Hey Welcome and keep your Kevlar handy!
    #108 – Well SAID!

  232. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Pssst. Wagonburner and Tedtam. The Plan is working perfectly! Our double agents have succeeded in turning even Baptists into Catholics.

    From the link:

    Certain Holy Week observances long affiliated with more liturgical traditions are being re-purposed and incorporated into evangelical congregations, home to increasing numbers of former Catholics and mainline Protestants.

    So now Mormons need to worry about defective holy water not melting them and Evangelicals need to be on the lookout for undercover “former” Catholics. The ecumenical Catholics are on the march. Soon the whole world will be drinking beer and loading drugs up their a$$es over the nearest sign of a sinus infection.

    Was there a Biblical prophecy about all this? ๐Ÿ™‚

  233. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Pssst. Wagonburner and Tedtam. The Plan is working perfectly! Our double agents have succeeded in turning even Baptists into Catholics.

    From the link:

    Certain Holy Week observances long affiliated with more liturgical traditions are being re-purposed and incorporated into evangelical congregations, home to increasing numbers of former Catholics and mainline Protestants.

    So now Mormons need to worry about defective holy water not melting them and Evangelicals need to be on the lookout for undercover “former” Catholics. The ecumenical Catholics are on the march. Soon the whole world will be drinking beer and loading drugs up their a$$es over the nearest sign of a sinus infection.
    Was there a Biblical prophecy about all this? ๐Ÿ™‚

  234. Hamous Avatar

    #105 and #108 Truth: Welcome to the crucible where a lot of BS is burned away and the jewel of reality sometimes emerges. Usually lots of sparks and flames with a few ha-ha’s thrown in just for fun.
    I guess we sometimes refer to ourselves as Hamoustonianites or Hamsters something like that. Nice to see a newbie :>)

  235. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #105 and #108 Truth: Welcome to the crucible where a lot of BS is burned away and the jewel of reality sometimes emerges. Usually lots of sparks and flames with a few ha-ha’s thrown in just for fun.
    I guess we sometimes refer to ourselves as Hamoustonianites or Hamsters something like that. Nice to see a newbie :>)

  236. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #121

    Was there a Biblical prophecy about all this? ๐Ÿ™‚

    All your church are belong to us ๐Ÿ˜‰

  237. Hamous Avatar

    #121

    Was there a Biblical prophecy about all this? ๐Ÿ™‚

    All your church are belong to us ๐Ÿ˜‰

  238. Katfish Avatar

    loading drugs up their a$$es

    Just filling a void in the commentariat.

  239. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    loading drugs up their a$$es

    Just filling a void in the commentariat.

  240. Hamous Avatar

    GtoTracker: Check your e-mail thingie.

  241. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    GtoTracker: Check your e-mail thingie.

  242. Hamous Avatar

    Shalom and Lila Tov (peace and good night) y’all. I’m signing off for the night.

  243. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Shalom and Lila Tov (peace and good night) y’all. I’m signing off for the night.

  244. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Please be nice โ€“ at least for a couple of days, you philistines.

    Does that include us infidel Philistine coonasses? Or are you talking specifically to us infidel Philistine coonasses?

  245. squawkbox Avatar

    Please be nice โ€“ at least for a couple of days, you philistines.

    Does that include us infidel Philistine coonasses? Or are you talking specifically to us infidel Philistine coonasses?

  246. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Wagon;

    OK, OK…. (can I please have my arm back? I don’t like it twisted behind my back)

    [Clearing throat]…

    Hi, TRUTH, welcome!!!

  247. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Wagon;
    OK, OK…. (can I please have my arm back? I don’t like it twisted behind my back)
    [Clearing throat]…
    Hi, TRUTH, welcome!!!

  248. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    All your church are belong to us

    That must be in the Book of Hamous somewhere.

  249. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    All your church are belong to us

    That must be in the Book of Hamous somewhere.

  250. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Yup, the beater upper of Chrissy Lee is definitely a trouble maker. My take is that she didn’t grow up respecting her parents or authority.

    Teonna Monae Brown, 18, was charged with two assault counts for allegedly attacking Danielle Dower, 38, last July. In October, a Baltimore County judge ruled that charges would not be further pursued against Brown, according to court records, which do not further explain that โ€œnolle prosequiโ€ decision.

    APRIL 25–The Baltimore teenager charged last week with the brutal beating of a McDonaldโ€™s patron was arrested last year for assaulting a woman following a dispute in the same restaurant, The Smoking Gun has learned.

  251. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Yup, the beater upper of Chrissy Lee is definitely a trouble maker. My take is that she didn’t grow up respecting her parents or authority.

    Teonna Monae Brown, 18, was charged with two assault counts for allegedly attacking Danielle Dower, 38, last July. In October, a Baltimore County judge ruled that charges would not be further pursued against Brown, according to court records, which do not further explain that โ€œnolle prosequiโ€ decision.
    APRIL 25–The Baltimore teenager charged last week with the brutal beating of a McDonaldโ€™s patron was arrested last year for assaulting a woman following a dispute in the same restaurant, The Smoking Gun has learned.

  252. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In their recent book, American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us, David Campbell and Robert Putnam encounter an instinctively tolerant American people. To pluck just one statistic from the Faith Matters Survey, which the authors use as the basis of their book, the overwhelming majorityโ€”82%โ€”of self-described โ€œhighly religiousโ€ Americans believe that even those who do not have religious faith can be good Americans.

    The benefits of religious belief are well-known. Pious Americans are happier, more charitable, and better citizens than their secular counterparts. Which helps explain why, as a nation of pious people, America is welcoming to all people.

    (snip)

    Western civilizationโ€™s notion of God-given freedom and unalienable rights grew out of Athens and Jerusalem and Rome. It was actualized in Philadelphia. And it has inspired ever since. It was evident in Abraham Lincolnโ€™s Gettysburg Address, and the movements to abolish slavery and to end abortion.

    It helped galvanize those who opposed communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and it animated the Chinese students who held copies of Americaโ€™s Declaration of Independence in Tiananmen Square.

    We are not an exclusively Christian nation. But, as Christians celebrate Easter, the death and resurrection of their Savior, letโ€™s acknowledge an indisputable realityโ€”that it has been to the benefit of Christians and non-Christians alike across the globe that America was founded as, and remains, a country rooted in Judeo-Christian values and ideals.

    An extremely good article by Gary Bauer.

    Judeo-Christian Values Make America the Light of the World

  253. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In their recent book, American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us, David Campbell and Robert Putnam encounter an instinctively tolerant American people. To pluck just one statistic from the Faith Matters Survey, which the authors use as the basis of their book, the overwhelming majorityโ€”82%โ€”of self-described โ€œhighly religiousโ€ Americans believe that even those who do not have religious faith can be good Americans.
    The benefits of religious belief are well-known. Pious Americans are happier, more charitable, and better citizens than their secular counterparts. Which helps explain why, as a nation of pious people, America is welcoming to all people.

    (snip)

    Western civilizationโ€™s notion of God-given freedom and unalienable rights grew out of Athens and Jerusalem and Rome. It was actualized in Philadelphia. And it has inspired ever since. It was evident in Abraham Lincolnโ€™s Gettysburg Address, and the movements to abolish slavery and to end abortion.
    It helped galvanize those who opposed communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and it animated the Chinese students who held copies of Americaโ€™s Declaration of Independence in Tiananmen Square.
    We are not an exclusively Christian nation. But, as Christians celebrate Easter, the death and resurrection of their Savior, letโ€™s acknowledge an indisputable realityโ€”that it has been to the benefit of Christians and non-Christians alike across the globe that America was founded as, and remains, a country rooted in Judeo-Christian values and ideals.

    An extremely good article by Gary Bauer.
    Judeo-Christian Values Make America the Light of the World

  254. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Why are they teasing us with these scrolls across the bottom of the screen about tornadoes and severe thunderstorms???

  255. Hamous Avatar

    Why are they teasing us with these scrolls across the bottom of the screen about tornadoes and severe thunderstorms???

  256. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    They are sadists Hammie.

  257. squawkbox Avatar

    They are sadists Hammie.

  258. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Why are they teasing us with these scrolls across the bottom of the screen about tornadoes and severe thunderstorms???

    That is just a wrong thing to do to my thirsty weeds and dirt, hell they get all hyper and stuff when the puppy goes outside.

  259. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Why are they teasing us with these scrolls across the bottom of the screen about tornadoes and severe thunderstorms???

    That is just a wrong thing to do to my thirsty weeds and dirt, hell they get all hyper and stuff when the puppy goes outside.

  260. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Puppy tree’d his first squirrel this weekend, thought he was mister big sh!t. Then he found a turtle in the brush, wasn’t sure what to do with it.

  261. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Puppy tree’d his first squirrel this weekend, thought he was mister big sh!t. Then he found a turtle in the brush, wasn’t sure what to do with it.

  262. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Human Cannonball Dies During Stunt After Safety Net Fails

    I hate it when my safety net fails to engage.
    Do you hate it when your safety net fails to engage?
    I really hate it when my safety net fails to engage.

  263. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Human Cannonball Dies During Stunt After Safety Net Fails
    I hate it when my safety net fails to engage.
    Do you hate it when your safety net fails to engage?
    I really hate it when my safety net fails to engage.

  264. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    If you are going to work in the Human Cannonball field, you want a safety net that works right. Otherwise, no show, Joe.

  265. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    If you are going to work in the Human Cannonball field, you want a safety net that works right. Otherwise, no show, Joe.

  266. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Derran
    For some sadistic reason I got a chuckle out of the canceled sign.

  267. squawkbox Avatar

    Derran
    For some sadistic reason I got a chuckle out of the canceled sign.

  268. bweldon Avatar
    bweldon

    Easy math there

    0 net = speelllaaaatttt

  269. squawkbox Avatar

    Easy math there
    0 net = speelllaaaatttt

  270. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Hold muh beer and watch this!

    Hope that was one of the last on the bucket list.

  271. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Hold muh beer and watch this!
    Hope that was one of the last on the bucket list.

  272. Katfish Avatar

    Please be nice โ€“ at least for a couple of days, you philistines.

    Does that include us infidel Philistine coonasses? Or are you talking specifically to us infidel Philistine coonasses?

    You people can be so thick sometimes. If I had intended to differentiate among the various genera of philistine vulgaris (e.g., p. coonassus; p. Catholicus; p. coonassus X. infidelus), I would have mentioned them. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  273. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Please be nice โ€“ at least for a couple of days, you philistines.

    Does that include us infidel Philistine coonasses? Or are you talking specifically to us infidel Philistine coonasses?

    You people can be so thick sometimes. If I had intended to differentiate among the various genera of philistine vulgaris (e.g., p. coonassus; p. Catholicus; p. coonassus X. infidelus), I would have mentioned them. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  274. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    See, this is what happens when you ban fox hunting and dwarf tossing. People look for alternative, and more dangerous past times.

  275. Hamous Avatar

    See, this is what happens when you ban fox hunting and dwarf tossing. People look for alternative, and more dangerous past times.

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