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Thursday Free Will Or Deterministic Open Comments

Does Free Will actually exist? If not, then are we truly responsible for our actions? If it does, then how does that square with classic Newtonian physics, where all the matter in the Universe is governed by very simple forces and interactions? How about all you armchair amateur philosophers discuss three questions and see where we go:

1) In this deterministic universe, is it possible for a person to be fully morally responsible for his actions?
2) This year, as he has often done in the past, Mark arranges to cheat on his taxes. Is he is fully morally responsible for his actions?
3) Bill falls in love with his secretary, and he decides that the only way to be with her is to murder his wife and three children. Before leaving on a trip, he arranges for them to be killed while he is away. Is Bill fully morally responsible for his actions?

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  1. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    It depends on what the meaning of is is or whether you are a Dem or Rep.

  2. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    It depends on what the meaning of is is or whether you are a Dem or Rep.

  3. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    1) In this deterministic universe, is it possible for a person to be fully morally responsible for his actions?

    I weep when I think that a question like this is even being asked. We are not pieces of cheese. While we are physically bound by physics we possess mental faculties that are independent of physics, otherwise, we’d not be able to think, or at least be imparied in our mental processess, while hanging upside down—-or drifting in space while repairing our space craft. Such a question is as stupid as those asked in the 19th Century when some people wanted to limit the maximum speed of trains because they thought the bodies of those riding inside them would be torn apart by the forces involved.

    2) This year, as he has often done in the past, Mark arranges to cheat on his taxes. Is he is fully morally responsible for his actions?

    If he gets caught, the IRS will demonstrate his repsonsibility. We can argue whether or not paying taxes is truly a moral responsibility. Experience has shown me that there are higher moral responsibilities that one must take on, but addressing those does not abrogate the untilmate responsibility of payment, which will eventually have to be addressed.

    3) Bill falls in love with his secretary, and he decides that the only way to be with her is to murder his wife and three children. Before leaving on a trip, he arranges for them to be killed while he is away. Is Bill fully morally responsible for his actions?

    I weep when I think that a question like this is even being asked. We are not pieces of cheese———————–

  4. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    1) In this deterministic universe, is it possible for a person to be fully morally responsible for his actions?

    I weep when I think that a question like this is even being asked. We are not pieces of cheese. While we are physically bound by physics we possess mental faculties that are independent of physics, otherwise, we’d not be able to think, or at least be imparied in our mental processess, while hanging upside down—-or drifting in space while repairing our space craft. Such a question is as stupid as those asked in the 19th Century when some people wanted to limit the maximum speed of trains because they thought the bodies of those riding inside them would be torn apart by the forces involved.

    2) This year, as he has often done in the past, Mark arranges to cheat on his taxes. Is he is fully morally responsible for his actions?

    If he gets caught, the IRS will demonstrate his repsonsibility. We can argue whether or not paying taxes is truly a moral responsibility. Experience has shown me that there are higher moral responsibilities that one must take on, but addressing those does not abrogate the untilmate responsibility of payment, which will eventually have to be addressed.

    3) Bill falls in love with his secretary, and he decides that the only way to be with her is to murder his wife and three children. Before leaving on a trip, he arranges for them to be killed while he is away. Is Bill fully morally responsible for his actions?

    I weep when I think that a question like this is even being asked. We are not pieces of cheese———————–

  5. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning all

    #2 Sarge

    I think you pretty well summed it up.

  6. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all
    #2 Sarge
    I think you pretty well summed it up.

  7. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Happy Birthday, Harry

    Born, Ehrich Weisz, in Budapest, Hungary on March 24th. (Immigration officials later change Weisz to Weiss; and although he spelled his first name as Ehrich in personal letters to his mother, it was often spelled as Erich.)

    Teams up with friend Jacob Hyman to perform magic acts at dime shows and fairs, using the name Harry Houdini in honor of popular magician Jean Eugene Robert-Houdin.

    http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/harry-houdini/

  8. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Happy Birthday, Harry
    Born, Ehrich Weisz, in Budapest, Hungary on March 24th. (Immigration officials later change Weisz to Weiss; and although he spelled his first name as Ehrich in personal letters to his mother, it was often spelled as Erich.)
    Teams up with friend Jacob Hyman to perform magic acts at dime shows and fairs, using the name Harry Houdini in honor of popular magician Jean Eugene Robert-Houdin.

    http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/harry-houdini/

  9. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    The ATF mess with letting guns go to Mexico has now landed on Obama’s desk

    Is Obama signaling that someone will be tossed under the bus?
    Submitted by: Mark A. Taff

    In an interview last night with reporter Jorge Ramos of Mexico’s Univision network, President Barack Obama not only denied prior knowledge of “Project Gunrunner,” he also indicated that someone will be “held accountable” for what has turned into a major scandal that is already producing collateral diplomatic damage.

    Obama told Ramos that, “First of all, I did not authorize it. Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it.”

    To which Ramos quickly reacted: “Well, who authorized it?”

    “We don’t have all the facts,” the president replied. “That’s why the (Inspector General) is in business.”

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/is-obama-signaling-that-someone-will-be-tossed-under-the-bus

  10. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    The ATF mess with letting guns go to Mexico has now landed on Obama’s desk

    Is Obama signaling that someone will be tossed under the bus?
    Submitted by: Mark A. Taff
    In an interview last night with reporter Jorge Ramos of Mexico’s Univision network, President Barack Obama not only denied prior knowledge of “Project Gunrunner,” he also indicated that someone will be “held accountable” for what has turned into a major scandal that is already producing collateral diplomatic damage.
    Obama told Ramos that, “First of all, I did not authorize it. Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it.”
    To which Ramos quickly reacted: “Well, who authorized it?”
    “We don’t have all the facts,” the president replied. “That’s why the (Inspector General) is in business.”

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/is-obama-signaling-that-someone-will-be-tossed-under-the-bus

  11. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Thousands will be wiped out if this passes

    Suttle unrolls toilet paper tax

    By Maggie O’Brien
    WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

    Mayor Jim Suttle went to Washington Tuesday flush with ideas for how federal officials could help cities like Omaha pay for multibillion-dollar sewer projects.

    Among the items on his brainstorming list: a proposal for a 10-cent federal tax on every roll of toilet paper you buy.

    http://www.omaha.com/article/20110323/NEWS01/703239866

  12. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Thousands will be wiped out if this passes

    Suttle unrolls toilet paper tax
    By Maggie O’Brien
    WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER
    Mayor Jim Suttle went to Washington Tuesday flush with ideas for how federal officials could help cities like Omaha pay for multibillion-dollar sewer projects.
    Among the items on his brainstorming list: a proposal for a 10-cent federal tax on every roll of toilet paper you buy.

    http://www.omaha.com/article/20110323/NEWS01/703239866

  13. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Gotta be the dumbest burgler ever……….Security cam footage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvWA5zNxvj4

  14. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Gotta be the dumbest burgler ever……….Security cam footage
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvWA5zNxvj4

  15. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Virus spreading like wildfire on Fb and My Space! It is a Trojan worm called koobface. It will steal your info,invade your system and shut it down! DO NOT open the link Barack Obama Clinton Scandal!

    If SmartGirl15 requests you as a friend, don’t accept it; it is a virus. If somebody on your list adds her, you get the virus too!

    I did check these out on Snopes, they’re for real.

  16. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Virus spreading like wildfire on Fb and My Space! It is a Trojan worm called koobface. It will steal your info,invade your system and shut it down! DO NOT open the link Barack Obama Clinton Scandal!
    If SmartGirl15 requests you as a friend, don’t accept it; it is a virus. If somebody on your list adds her, you get the virus too!
    I did check these out on Snopes, they’re for real.

  17. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Size matters?

    South Korea loses this competition with an average measurement of 3.9 inches. Cambodia, Thailand, India, and Burma also appear in the bottom five. American men, unfortunately, appear to be on the lower side of average with a score of 5.1 inches.

    I wish the map was bigger.

  18. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Size matters?

    South Korea loses this competition with an average measurement of 3.9 inches. Cambodia, Thailand, India, and Burma also appear in the bottom five. American men, unfortunately, appear to be on the lower side of average with a score of 5.1 inches.

    I wish the map was bigger.

  19. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I post on a topic of Great Philosophical Import and bob takes it straight to the gutter.

  20. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I post on a topic of Great Philosophical Import and bob takes it straight to the gutter.

  21. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    9 bob42

    Size matters?

    Perv Alert

  22. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    9 bob42
    Size matters?

    Perv Alert

  23. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #10 WB, Gee, I thought it was “open comments,” and that I could use my free will to determine the contents of my comments. Maybe you’d have liked it more if I’d found a world map comparing breast size. 😉

    I read the NYT piece, and I think the writer takes a bit too much license with applying the concepts of deterministic laws of physics, which are well defined and demonstrable, and then attempting to apply them to the way our brains work in the decision making processes. The research, while interesting, shows that there is a degree of randomness in the way our thought process result in our behaviors. Some are indeed predictable, many others are not.

    Consider a jazz musician well skilled in improvisation. Although they will predictably use licks and riffs they’ve played and practiced, the location, amplitude, and expressiveness with which they are performed is not very predictable. Btw, my cats have free will.

    This is a TED Talk given by Sam Harris regarding science and morality. I disagree with parts of it from a practicality standpoint, but found it interesting.

  24. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #10 WB, Gee, I thought it was “open comments,” and that I could use my free will to determine the contents of my comments. Maybe you’d have liked it more if I’d found a world map comparing breast size. 😉
    I read the NYT piece, and I think the writer takes a bit too much license with applying the concepts of deterministic laws of physics, which are well defined and demonstrable, and then attempting to apply them to the way our brains work in the decision making processes. The research, while interesting, shows that there is a degree of randomness in the way our thought process result in our behaviors. Some are indeed predictable, many others are not.
    Consider a jazz musician well skilled in improvisation. Although they will predictably use licks and riffs they’ve played and practiced, the location, amplitude, and expressiveness with which they are performed is not very predictable. Btw, my cats have free will.
    This is a TED Talk given by Sam Harris regarding science and morality. I disagree with parts of it from a practicality standpoint, but found it interesting.

  25. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Free Willy!

  26. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Free Willy!

  27. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    I like free stuff.

  28. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    I like free stuff.

  29. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I like pie.

  30. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I like pie.

  31. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Wagonburner

    The article you linked to today was particularly disturbing. If we have no free will, if every decision we make is predicated upon previous actions, which are predicated upon previous actions, ad infinitum, then why don’t we all just choose to sit on a couch and wait for death? Even in the article, the authors talk about the impact temptation makes on choices to cheat or not cheat. I understand that they are saying the will is determined, and the will decides our actions (whether or not to cheat, murder, steal) etc., but where does the the decision making begin? Am I just a little chrome ball in a pinball machine called life?

    Why is it that, in my family, some children skipped school and engaged in risky behavior, while others graduated on the honor roll? Why is it that some became parents and one of them didn’t? These are all choices we made, for whatever reasons, coming from the same environment, even though we may not have been raised identically (parents nurtured and accepted some children more than others).

    I have always said that what we are today is the sum of all of our decisions in the past. I do not believe that we are the sum of our molecular heritage.

    There was a scene in Hidalgo where a Muslim and his horse were caught in quicksand. Hidalgo pulled them out, but the man didn’t want to get up. “It is written by Allah that I should die in this desert,” the Muslim said, whereupon Hidalgo got in his face and told him that his destiny was that he ride his horse and try to finish the race. I agree with Hidalgo. We make our destinies by making our choices. If some force outside of ourselves has made our life decisions for us, then what is living for?

  32. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Wagonburner
    The article you linked to today was particularly disturbing. If we have no free will, if every decision we make is predicated upon previous actions, which are predicated upon previous actions, ad infinitum, then why don’t we all just choose to sit on a couch and wait for death? Even in the article, the authors talk about the impact temptation makes on choices to cheat or not cheat. I understand that they are saying the will is determined, and the will decides our actions (whether or not to cheat, murder, steal) etc., but where does the the decision making begin? Am I just a little chrome ball in a pinball machine called life?
    Why is it that, in my family, some children skipped school and engaged in risky behavior, while others graduated on the honor roll? Why is it that some became parents and one of them didn’t? These are all choices we made, for whatever reasons, coming from the same environment, even though we may not have been raised identically (parents nurtured and accepted some children more than others).
    I have always said that what we are today is the sum of all of our decisions in the past. I do not believe that we are the sum of our molecular heritage.
    There was a scene in Hidalgo where a Muslim and his horse were caught in quicksand. Hidalgo pulled them out, but the man didn’t want to get up. “It is written by Allah that I should die in this desert,” the Muslim said, whereupon Hidalgo got in his face and told him that his destiny was that he ride his horse and try to finish the race. I agree with Hidalgo. We make our destinies by making our choices. If some force outside of ourselves has made our life decisions for us, then what is living for?

  33. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    When it happens once, it can be called a transient stroke. When it happens twice, its a curiosity, but if this happens one more time I’m going to start thinking that what’s going on is a system wide programming error in the robots.

  34. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    When it happens once, it can be called a transient stroke. When it happens twice, its a curiosity, but if this happens one more time I’m going to start thinking that what’s going on is a system wide programming error in the robots.

  35. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    I really like free pie.

    🙂

    Seriously though, I think Crazy Aunt nails it. If God had wanted us to be automatons He could have done that. I trust He had a sound reason for not making us that way.

  36. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    I really like free pie.
    🙂
    Seriously though, I think Crazy Aunt nails it. If God had wanted us to be automatons He could have done that. I trust He had a sound reason for not making us that way.

  37. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    there belongs to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men’s hearts.–Aquinas

  38. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    there belongs to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men’s hearts.–Aquinas

  39. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I see Drudge has linked to the Egypt Air story I had already prepped for today.

    I don’t know why my OC thread didn’t publish this morning, I thought I had it scheduled.

    Anyway, I think I have it rescheduled as Friday OC, and you’ll be seeing the Egypt Air story there again.

  40. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I see Drudge has linked to the Egypt Air story I had already prepped for today.
    I don’t know why my OC thread didn’t publish this morning, I thought I had it scheduled.
    Anyway, I think I have it rescheduled as Friday OC, and you’ll be seeing the Egypt Air story there again.

  41. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    And I see Michelle Bachmann has DECIDED to form an exploratory committee.

  42. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    And I see Michelle Bachmann has DECIDED to form an exploratory committee.

  43. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Seriously though, I think Crazy Aunt nails it. If God had wanted us to be automatons He could have done that. I trust He had a sound reason for not making us that way.

    God created us with Free Will so that we may choose to follow Him because he Loves and respects us. By giving us Free Will, he allows us the opportunity not only to find and feel His love and the love of other Humans, but the opportunity for us to love him back as well.

    He could have made us in such a manner that we Love him spontaneously and without question, but that would be His work. He’s given us the opportunity to be more like Him if we choose to.

    What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

    For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

    Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

    All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;

    The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

    O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!

  44. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Seriously though, I think Crazy Aunt nails it. If God had wanted us to be automatons He could have done that. I trust He had a sound reason for not making us that way.

    God created us with Free Will so that we may choose to follow Him because he Loves and respects us. By giving us Free Will, he allows us the opportunity not only to find and feel His love and the love of other Humans, but the opportunity for us to love him back as well.
    He could have made us in such a manner that we Love him spontaneously and without question, but that would be His work. He’s given us the opportunity to be more like Him if we choose to.
    What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
    For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
    Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
    All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
    The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
    O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!

  45. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Quoting Aquinas is the best I can do while trying to drive and work, too.

    The norm, however, of conduct is not some particular element or aspect of our nature. The standard is our whole human nature with its manifold relationships, considered as a creature destined to a special end. Actions are wrong if, though subserving the satisfaction of some particular need or tendency, they are at the same time incompatible with that rational harmonious subordination of the lower to the higher which reason should maintain among our conflicting tendencies and desires (see GOOD). For example, to nourish our bodies is right; but to indulge our appetite for food to the detriment of our corporal or spiritual life is wrong. Self-preservation is right, but to refuse to expose our life when the well-being of society requires it, is wrong.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09076a.htm

  46. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Quoting Aquinas is the best I can do while trying to drive and work, too.
    The norm, however, of conduct is not some particular element or aspect of our nature. The standard is our whole human nature with its manifold relationships, considered as a creature destined to a special end. Actions are wrong if, though subserving the satisfaction of some particular need or tendency, they are at the same time incompatible with that rational harmonious subordination of the lower to the higher which reason should maintain among our conflicting tendencies and desires (see GOOD). For example, to nourish our bodies is right; but to indulge our appetite for food to the detriment of our corporal or spiritual life is wrong. Self-preservation is right, but to refuse to expose our life when the well-being of society requires it, is wrong.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09076a.htm

  47. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #21 Bachmann has been to Iowa (twice?) and to New Hampshire recently. It looks to me like she’s decided to do more than form a committee. I hope she does run. My satire writing has suffered from time restraints, and some degree of writers block. Maybe her candidacy would snap me out of it.

    At any rate, it’s likely to be an entertaining primary season.

  48. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #21 Bachmann has been to Iowa (twice?) and to New Hampshire recently. It looks to me like she’s decided to do more than form a committee. I hope she does run. My satire writing has suffered from time restraints, and some degree of writers block. Maybe her candidacy would snap me out of it.
    At any rate, it’s likely to be an entertaining primary season.

  49. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    why don’t we all just choose to sit on a couch and wait for death?

    Because in your scenario we wouldn’t have free will, so we couldn’t “choose” to sit on a couch, we would have been predestined to sit on the couch.

    See how weird it can get?

  50. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    why don’t we all just choose to sit on a couch and wait for death?

    Because in your scenario we wouldn’t have free will, so we couldn’t “choose” to sit on a couch, we would have been predestined to sit on the couch.
    See how weird it can get?

  51. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m not really Catholic, I just play one six days a week. 🙂

  52. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m not really Catholic, I just play one six days a week. 🙂

  53. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #22 sarge

    God created us with Free Will so that we may choose to follow Him because he Loves and respects us. By giving us Free Will, he allows us the opportunity not only to find and feel His love and the love of other Humans, but the opportunity for us to love him back as well.

    How do we explain that if God exists outside of time and therefore knows everything about the past, present, and future, that he doesn’t already know who will choose to love him and who will not?

    If he knows not only how you will turn out, but he knew that from the very beginning of time, then how is that consistent with the idea of free will?

  54. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #22 sarge

    God created us with Free Will so that we may choose to follow Him because he Loves and respects us. By giving us Free Will, he allows us the opportunity not only to find and feel His love and the love of other Humans, but the opportunity for us to love him back as well.

    How do we explain that if God exists outside of time and therefore knows everything about the past, present, and future, that he doesn’t already know who will choose to love him and who will not?
    If he knows not only how you will turn out, but he knew that from the very beginning of time, then how is that consistent with the idea of free will?

  55. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #26 shannon
    There’s always room for more!

  56. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #26 shannon
    There’s always room for more!

  57. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #27 Wagonburner

    I try to wrap my mind around that one by thinking of life as a 400 meter race. God stands on the sidelines, watching us run, knowing who will win and lose, but letting the runners do their best to win.

    He is timeless, but it doesn’t mean he isn’t watching us move in our time and space.

  58. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #27 Wagonburner
    I try to wrap my mind around that one by thinking of life as a 400 meter race. God stands on the sidelines, watching us run, knowing who will win and lose, but letting the runners do their best to win.
    He is timeless, but it doesn’t mean he isn’t watching us move in our time and space.

  59. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #28 He’s a PINO 😉

  60. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    #28 He’s a PINO 😉

  61. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Yet another example of the fickleness of human kind:

    Casablanca makes the top five Best Films ever made.

    Bogie and Bergman make the top five Most Romantic On-Screen Couple

    ‘Here’s looking at you kid.’ makes the top five Greatest Film Lines ever.

    But Rick Blaine does not make the top five Best Film Characters

    What’s up with that?

  62. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Yet another example of the fickleness of human kind:
    Casablanca makes the top five Best Films ever made.
    Bogie and Bergman make the top five Most Romantic On-Screen Couple
    ‘Here’s looking at you kid.’ makes the top five Greatest Film Lines ever.
    But Rick Blaine does not make the top five Best Film Characters
    What’s up with that?

  63. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Teh Ghey will be upset that Brokeback Mountain didn’t win the best on-screen kiss.

  64. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Teh Ghey will be upset that Brokeback Mountain didn’t win the best on-screen kiss.

  65. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Speaking of God, I had a great class last night. It was me and forty or so teenagers, and it was our “Tour of the Church” class. I warned them before we went over that we were entering sacred space, that there was prayer going on in the day chapel so they had better be quiet, and NOT TO TOUCH anything I told them they couldn’t touch, or my wrath would land upon them in a very indelicate fashion. I also gave them a brief lesson on church etiquette, to genuflect upon entering their pews, etc.

    I love this particular topic, as we get to put together a lot of what we’ve discussed throughout the year. I talk about how the Church talks to us in our language of color and symbols, bringing in our liturgical calendar, which brings in the life of Jesus and how we live through the spiritual cycle each year. They walked through the confessional, and they all survived the contact. We talked about the ambry and the holy oils, and how those oils made it to the church each year. I showed them our baptismal font and we talked about why we bless ourselves with its holy water when we enter the church. We talked about the various items in the sanctuary – the ambo, the altar, the tabernacle, and the presider’s and deacon’s chairs. I took them in four separate groups up into the sanctuary area and they were able to peek into the tabernacle (it was open because of adoration, going on in the day chapel at the time). I made them walk by the tabernacle with hands behind their backs to reduce the temptation to touch.

    We talked at some length about the sanctuary light and its purpose, which brought us into a more elaborate discussion of Holy Week and the goings on during that time, which brought us back to sacraments and the calendar again.

    I took each group, one at a time, into the priests’s sacristy where I showed them the closets with the priests’ vestments (whereupon we touched upon the liturgical calendar again), where the linens were kept, the sink for washing the sacred vessels, and touched upon the job of the sacristans.

    I was worried that as I disappeared with each group into the sacristy that the others in the nave would begin talking and getting loud. I was very pleased with their behavior. They remained quiet and respectful the whole time. Sometimes even teenagers – even those who had never set foot in the church proper – can be surprisingly respectful.

    It was a great class.

    Now, this Saturday is our retreat. I’ll need your prayers for them on Saturday if you can remember to throw a few their way.

  66. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Speaking of God, I had a great class last night. It was me and forty or so teenagers, and it was our “Tour of the Church” class. I warned them before we went over that we were entering sacred space, that there was prayer going on in the day chapel so they had better be quiet, and NOT TO TOUCH anything I told them they couldn’t touch, or my wrath would land upon them in a very indelicate fashion. I also gave them a brief lesson on church etiquette, to genuflect upon entering their pews, etc.
    I love this particular topic, as we get to put together a lot of what we’ve discussed throughout the year. I talk about how the Church talks to us in our language of color and symbols, bringing in our liturgical calendar, which brings in the life of Jesus and how we live through the spiritual cycle each year. They walked through the confessional, and they all survived the contact. We talked about the ambry and the holy oils, and how those oils made it to the church each year. I showed them our baptismal font and we talked about why we bless ourselves with its holy water when we enter the church. We talked about the various items in the sanctuary – the ambo, the altar, the tabernacle, and the presider’s and deacon’s chairs. I took them in four separate groups up into the sanctuary area and they were able to peek into the tabernacle (it was open because of adoration, going on in the day chapel at the time). I made them walk by the tabernacle with hands behind their backs to reduce the temptation to touch.
    We talked at some length about the sanctuary light and its purpose, which brought us into a more elaborate discussion of Holy Week and the goings on during that time, which brought us back to sacraments and the calendar again.
    I took each group, one at a time, into the priests’s sacristy where I showed them the closets with the priests’ vestments (whereupon we touched upon the liturgical calendar again), where the linens were kept, the sink for washing the sacred vessels, and touched upon the job of the sacristans.
    I was worried that as I disappeared with each group into the sacristy that the others in the nave would begin talking and getting loud. I was very pleased with their behavior. They remained quiet and respectful the whole time. Sometimes even teenagers – even those who had never set foot in the church proper – can be surprisingly respectful.
    It was a great class.
    Now, this Saturday is our retreat. I’ll need your prayers for them on Saturday if you can remember to throw a few their way.

  67. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    How do we explain that if God exists outside of time and therefore knows everything about the past, present, and future, that he doesn’t already know who will choose to love him and who will not?

    If he knows not only how you will turn out, but he knew that from the very beginning of time, then how is that consistent with the idea of free will?

    He could not create us with Free Will while at the same time knowing what we would do in the future. It would defeat His purpose in giving us the Free Will in the first place.In a sense, God has given us the opportunity to create our own future, both in this life and the next.

    I’d dispute the notion that God exiusts outside of time as well. Time is an entirely Human construct. We’re the only creature on the planet that has clocks or needs them.

  68. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    How do we explain that if God exists outside of time and therefore knows everything about the past, present, and future, that he doesn’t already know who will choose to love him and who will not?
    If he knows not only how you will turn out, but he knew that from the very beginning of time, then how is that consistent with the idea of free will?

    He could not create us with Free Will while at the same time knowing what we would do in the future. It would defeat His purpose in giving us the Free Will in the first place.In a sense, God has given us the opportunity to create our own future, both in this life and the next.
    I’d dispute the notion that God exiusts outside of time as well. Time is an entirely Human construct. We’re the only creature on the planet that has clocks or needs them.

  69. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #31 sarge
    ET???

    Gere & Roberts??? A dweeb & a horse?

    Tootsie???

    Hannibal Lecter ???

    What about Dr. Strangelove? Blazing Saddles? Patton (more the character than the movie)?

  70. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #31 sarge
    ET???
    Gere & Roberts??? A dweeb & a horse?
    Tootsie???
    Hannibal Lecter ???
    What about Dr. Strangelove? Blazing Saddles? Patton (more the character than the movie)?

  71. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #34 sarge
    God existing outside of time is equivalent to saying that time does not apply to God.

    God is all-powerful and omniscient. Given that, how can you say that he doesn’t know the future?

  72. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #34 sarge
    God existing outside of time is equivalent to saying that time does not apply to God.
    God is all-powerful and omniscient. Given that, how can you say that he doesn’t know the future?

  73. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    God is all-powerful and omniscient. Given that, how can you say that he doesn’t know the future?

    Can God make a rock so heavy that even he can’t pick it up?

    At some point, Faith comes inbto play.

    Which is part of the plan, and perhaps the greatest lesson.

  74. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    God is all-powerful and omniscient. Given that, how can you say that he doesn’t know the future?

    Can God make a rock so heavy that even he can’t pick it up?
    At some point, Faith comes inbto play.
    Which is part of the plan, and perhaps the greatest lesson.

  75. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    It’s a two-step process:

    1. Free Will – the only question then is how much of a lead do you give him before you,
    2. Fire at Will

  76. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    It’s a two-step process:
    1. Free Will – the only question then is how much of a lead do you give him before you,
    2. Fire at Will

  77. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #2 musical: Grease??? They didn’t think of Paint Your Wagon?

  78. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #2 musical: Grease??? They didn’t think of Paint Your Wagon?

  79. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    At some point, Faith comes inbto play.

    Which is part of the plan, and perhaps the greatest lesson.

    Amen.

  80. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    At some point, Faith comes inbto play.
    Which is part of the plan, and perhaps the greatest lesson.

    Amen.

  81. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    This cartoon reminded me of my first GREAT programming job…

    http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComick.mpl?date=20110323&name=Rhymes_with_Orange

  82. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    This cartoon reminded me of my first GREAT programming job…
    http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComick.mpl?date=20110323&name=Rhymes_with_Orange

  83. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    My take on the three questions in the article are that they are all really the same question, with the specifics altered to make each more personal. The first is a really leading question, since it opens with a stated assumption that the universe is deterministic. That may be true on the micro, meso, and mega scales, but at nanoscales and smaller, it is far from certainly deterministic.

    People are always morally responsible for their actions. Circumstances may alter the severity of certain actions i.e. stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving children is somewhat less of a moral hazard than stealing a loaf of bread simply out of spite. In other words, what is wrong is always wrong; the circumstances surrounding the action may only alter the depth of the wrong.

  84. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    My take on the three questions in the article are that they are all really the same question, with the specifics altered to make each more personal. The first is a really leading question, since it opens with a stated assumption that the universe is deterministic. That may be true on the micro, meso, and mega scales, but at nanoscales and smaller, it is far from certainly deterministic.
    People are always morally responsible for their actions. Circumstances may alter the severity of certain actions i.e. stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving children is somewhat less of a moral hazard than stealing a loaf of bread simply out of spite. In other words, what is wrong is always wrong; the circumstances surrounding the action may only alter the depth of the wrong.

  85. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Some interesting food for thought

    That person would be a sociopath but if he was the right sociopath in the right place at the right time his native intelligence, high or low, stupid or smart, wouldn’t really matter. What would matter would be the level of his maliciousness. It would not matter what his real IQ was but rather his level of cleverness and his innate shrewdness. Indeed, to the clever and shrewd person a critical conversation involving whether he was being “stupid” or “lazy” only works to his advantage since is draws attention away from malice and gives him more time and space to pursue his goals. As Machiavelli knew, and Stalin proved, when the ends secure pure power, the means are irrelevant and history rewritable.

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/enemies_foreign_domestic/presence_of_malice.php#014180

  86. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Some interesting food for thought

    That person would be a sociopath but if he was the right sociopath in the right place at the right time his native intelligence, high or low, stupid or smart, wouldn’t really matter. What would matter would be the level of his maliciousness. It would not matter what his real IQ was but rather his level of cleverness and his innate shrewdness. Indeed, to the clever and shrewd person a critical conversation involving whether he was being “stupid” or “lazy” only works to his advantage since is draws attention away from malice and gives him more time and space to pursue his goals. As Machiavelli knew, and Stalin proved, when the ends secure pure power, the means are irrelevant and history rewritable.

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/enemies_foreign_domestic/presence_of_malice.php#014180

  87. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    #38
    What did Will ever do to you?

  88. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #38
    What did Will ever do to you?

  89. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    You are free to chose your actions, but not the consequences.

    Are we predetermined to have free will?

  90. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    You are free to chose your actions, but not the consequences.
    Are we predetermined to have free will?

  91. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And then there’s Barth…….
    http://vanguardchurch.blogspot.com/2006/01/aquinas-v-barth-natural-law-ethics.html

  92. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And then there’s Barth…….
    http://vanguardchurch.blogspot.com/2006/01/aquinas-v-barth-natural-law-ethics.html

  93. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    No need to click this linkie. You can easily guess where it was found.

    A search of Ms. Mackaliunas by a doctor at Community Medical Center turned up 54 bags of heroin, 31 empty bags used to package heroin, 8.5 prescription pills and $51.22.

  94. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    No need to click this linkie. You can easily guess where it was found.

    A search of Ms. Mackaliunas by a doctor at Community Medical Center turned up 54 bags of heroin, 31 empty bags used to package heroin, 8.5 prescription pills and $51.22.

  95. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Anyone around here know where I might rent a pig?

  96. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Anyone around here know where I might rent a pig?

  97. SC Avatar
    SC

    http://yarrapigs.tripod.com/id7.html

  98. SC Avatar
    SC

    http://yarrapigs.tripod.com/id7.html

  99. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Thank you SC. The rest of these people can perform mental gymnastics all they want, but someone has to answer the truly important questions.

  100. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Thank you SC. The rest of these people can perform mental gymnastics all they want, but someone has to answer the truly important questions.

  101. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    This is pretty cool.

    This was an assignment for A.P. Chemistry class at Horizon Science Academy Cleveland high school. The students collaborated with the school’s video club in order to make the movie.

  102. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    This is pretty cool.

    This was an assignment for A.P. Chemistry class at Horizon Science Academy Cleveland high school. The students collaborated with the school’s video club in order to make the movie.

  103. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Well, we don’t rent pigs. I figured it’s better to say it right up front – ’cause a man that does like to rent pigs is – is hard to stop

  104. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Well, we don’t rent pigs. I figured it’s better to say it right up front – ’cause a man that does like to rent pigs is – is hard to stop

  105. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Why rent a pig when you can get futures contracts on the bacon?

  106. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Why rent a pig when you can get futures contracts on the bacon?

  107. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I can’t rent you a pig, but I can loan you my son.

    I’m afraid to enter his room.

    I’m hoping it’s a phase.

  108. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I can’t rent you a pig, but I can loan you my son.
    I’m afraid to enter his room.
    I’m hoping it’s a phase.

  109. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Michael Kinsley makes sense.

    Wait a minute. How did this happen? A month or so ago, massive bombing of Libya was on no one’s agenda. Libya’s government was just as tyrannical, and its leader was just as loony then as he is now. Other governments around the world were even worse, and still are. In fact, among the usual enthusiasts for this sort of thing, Libya was considered one of the least urgent cases of awfulocracy because we had supposedly de-fanged Colonel Qadhafi back in 2003 when he suddenly surprised everyone by promising to dismantle his secret nuclear program, permit inspections, and abide by the terms of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Qadhafi was like a Middle Eastern Fidel Castro – dead … we were just waiting for him to lie down. What’s more, credit for this tremendous victory was assigned to George W. Bush as a bonus side effect of his decision to invade Iraq and take down Saddam Hussein. This put the fear of Allah in the mercurial colonel. Or so they said. But apparently not. Somehow, Muammar got his Mojo back. People will now say, of course, that Qadhafi took the measure of President Obama and decided to live on after all, and I fear that Obama may sink us into a third simultaneous military quagmire in order to disprove this.

  110. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Michael Kinsley makes sense.

    Wait a minute. How did this happen? A month or so ago, massive bombing of Libya was on no one’s agenda. Libya’s government was just as tyrannical, and its leader was just as loony then as he is now. Other governments around the world were even worse, and still are. In fact, among the usual enthusiasts for this sort of thing, Libya was considered one of the least urgent cases of awfulocracy because we had supposedly de-fanged Colonel Qadhafi back in 2003 when he suddenly surprised everyone by promising to dismantle his secret nuclear program, permit inspections, and abide by the terms of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Qadhafi was like a Middle Eastern Fidel Castro – dead … we were just waiting for him to lie down. What’s more, credit for this tremendous victory was assigned to George W. Bush as a bonus side effect of his decision to invade Iraq and take down Saddam Hussein. This put the fear of Allah in the mercurial colonel. Or so they said. But apparently not. Somehow, Muammar got his Mojo back. People will now say, of course, that Qadhafi took the measure of President Obama and decided to live on after all, and I fear that Obama may sink us into a third simultaneous military quagmire in order to disprove this.

  111. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    50 Dude
    We got nowhere with 42 on the question of bestiality the other day and now you’re trying to stir things up talkin about pig rentals. Cease and desist you rabblerouser.

  112. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    50 Dude
    We got nowhere with 42 on the question of bestiality the other day and now you’re trying to stir things up talkin about pig rentals. Cease and desist you rabblerouser.

  113. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I thought the only people who were crossing our southern border were drug smugglers and itinerant maids, construction workers, lettuce pickers, and landscape technicians. Seems I was wrong…

    A potentially explosive admission by federal prosecutors in the pending sentencing of Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane in a San Antonio federal courtroom could aid the case of border states looking to take the initiative to stem the flood of illegal immigrants coming into the U.S.

    In this court filing, provided exclusively here at Pajamas Media, prosecutors admit that Dhakane, who ran a human smuggling ring based in Brazil for the Somali Al-Shabaab terrorist group, transported “violent jihadists” into the country. He stated that “he believed they would fight against the U.S. if the jihad moved from overseas locations to the U.S. mainland.”

    I am shocked.

  114. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I thought the only people who were crossing our southern border were drug smugglers and itinerant maids, construction workers, lettuce pickers, and landscape technicians. Seems I was wrong…

    A potentially explosive admission by federal prosecutors in the pending sentencing of Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane in a San Antonio federal courtroom could aid the case of border states looking to take the initiative to stem the flood of illegal immigrants coming into the U.S.
    In this court filing, provided exclusively here at Pajamas Media, prosecutors admit that Dhakane, who ran a human smuggling ring based in Brazil for the Somali Al-Shabaab terrorist group, transported “violent jihadists” into the country. He stated that “he believed they would fight against the U.S. if the jihad moved from overseas locations to the U.S. mainland.”

    I am shocked.

  115. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #57 WB

    I am shocked.

    You forgot to include:

    /sarc off

  116. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #57 WB

    I am shocked.

    You forgot to include:

    /sarc off

  117. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    #56 Shannon,

    You mean you’re not supposta…?
    Oh… er… um… never mind.

    🙂

  118. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    #56 Shannon,
    You mean you’re not supposta…?
    Oh… er… um… never mind.
    🙂

  119. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oh, I wish I could’a been there!

    I wish it could be permanent! Tomorrow!

  120. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oh, I wish I could’a been there!
    I wish it could be permanent! Tomorrow!

  121. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    People will now say, of course, that Qadhafi took the measure of President Obama and decided to live on after all, and I fear that Obama may sink us into a third simultaneous military quagmire in order to disprove this

    Bing-freakin-go.

    I wish somebody had told folks that this might happen if we elected this terdsferbrains amatuer ideolog.

    Oh wait.

    We did.

  122. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    People will now say, of course, that Qadhafi took the measure of President Obama and decided to live on after all, and I fear that Obama may sink us into a third simultaneous military quagmire in order to disprove this

    Bing-freakin-go.
    I wish somebody had told folks that this might happen if we elected this terdsferbrains amatuer ideolog.
    Oh wait.
    We did.

  123. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #1 EG

    It depends on what the meaning of is is or whether you are a Dem or Rep.

    Good answer!

  124. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #1 EG

    It depends on what the meaning of is is or whether you are a Dem or Rep.

    Good answer!

  125. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    59 Dooood says:
    March 24, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    #56 Shannon,

    You mean you’re not supposta…?
    Oh… er… um… never mind.

    Now we know why he wants to rent the pig.

    And why a man who rents a pig is—is hard to stop.

  126. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    59 Dooood says:
    March 24, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    #56 Shannon,
    You mean you’re not supposta…?
    Oh… er… um… never mind.

    Now we know why he wants to rent the pig.
    And why a man who rents a pig is—is hard to stop.

  127. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #2 Sarge
    Good responses!

  128. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #2 Sarge
    Good responses!

  129. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #10 Pyro

    bob takes it straight to the gutter.

    That’s a short trip for bob.

  130. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #10 Pyro

    bob takes it straight to the gutter.

    That’s a short trip for bob.

  131. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    # 60 Tedtam

    Oh, I wish I could’a been there!
    I wish it could be permanent! Tomorrow!

    WHY didn’t someone think to change the locks while the O’s were in Rio…

  132. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    # 60 Tedtam

    Oh, I wish I could’a been there!
    I wish it could be permanent! Tomorrow!

    WHY didn’t someone think to change the locks while the O’s were in Rio…

  133. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #65 Could I trouble you for a brain sample? You’re making less and less sense as time goes on.

    That’s a short trip for bob.

    Seriously, can you supply reliable evidence behind that accusation, or are you operating completely from the standpoint of in-group/out-group emotion instead of intellectual rationality, (or perhaps it’s somewhere in between?)

    At any rate, I think your remark is unjustified and completely irrational. But please, keep it up. Your’re becoming a reliable source of entertainment for me.

  134. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #65 Could I trouble you for a brain sample? You’re making less and less sense as time goes on.

    That’s a short trip for bob.

    Seriously, can you supply reliable evidence behind that accusation, or are you operating completely from the standpoint of in-group/out-group emotion instead of intellectual rationality, (or perhaps it’s somewhere in between?)
    At any rate, I think your remark is unjustified and completely irrational. But please, keep it up. Your’re becoming a reliable source of entertainment for me.

  135. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM

  136. gtotracker42 Avatar
    gtotracker42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM

  137. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    64 mharper42 says:
    March 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    #2 Sarge
    Good responses!

    Aw, shucks, Ma’am.

    Tain’t nuthin nobody else is doin.

  138. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    64 mharper42 says:
    March 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    #2 Sarge
    Good responses!

    Aw, shucks, Ma’am.
    Tain’t nuthin nobody else is doin.

  139. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Bob,

    This one is for you.

    Up in Smoke Profits

  140. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Bob,
    This one is for you.
    Up in Smoke Profits

  141. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Unexpectedly.

  142. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Unexpectedly.

  143. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Seriously, can you supply reliable evidence behind that accusation, or are you operating completely from the standpoint of in-group/out-group emotion instead of intellectual rationality, (or perhaps it’s somewhere in between?)

    After finishing our performances, my droogies and I pulled up our pants as we heard sirens. I whistled and shouted, “The Police! Come on, let’s go!” And so we ran off, hitched a ride on a jacked Lamborghini, courtesy of yours truly, and sped off down the road. We played a little game of “Hogs of the road”, while listening to lovely, lovely Ludwig Van Beethoven on the radio. We were all feeling a bit shagged and fagged and fashed, it being a night of no small expenditure, o’ my brothers. So we headed back to the Korova for a nightcap, in celebration of our greatest act of ultra-violence yet. After all, isn’t it a high accomplishment once you’ve tolchocked the so-called “world’s greatest duelists” and gave their devotchkas the old “in out, in out”? I would think so, o’ brothers and sisters!

  144. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Seriously, can you supply reliable evidence behind that accusation, or are you operating completely from the standpoint of in-group/out-group emotion instead of intellectual rationality, (or perhaps it’s somewhere in between?)

    After finishing our performances, my droogies and I pulled up our pants as we heard sirens. I whistled and shouted, “The Police! Come on, let’s go!” And so we ran off, hitched a ride on a jacked Lamborghini, courtesy of yours truly, and sped off down the road. We played a little game of “Hogs of the road”, while listening to lovely, lovely Ludwig Van Beethoven on the radio. We were all feeling a bit shagged and fagged and fashed, it being a night of no small expenditure, o’ my brothers. So we headed back to the Korova for a nightcap, in celebration of our greatest act of ultra-violence yet. After all, isn’t it a high accomplishment once you’ve tolchocked the so-called “world’s greatest duelists” and gave their devotchkas the old “in out, in out”? I would think so, o’ brothers and sisters!

  145. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #70 Simple, I read a story about that earlier today. The legitimate market for medical cannabis is a $1.7 billion industry, and it’s only legal in 15 states. That’s $1.7B that didn’t go to the bad guys (tax free, of course.)

    Compare that to Pfizer’s $1.9 billion, 50 state market for Viagra. However, that should not be interpreted to mean that people would rather use cannabis than have sex. 😉

    /Did someone just suggest to “light one up?”

  146. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #70 Simple, I read a story about that earlier today. The legitimate market for medical cannabis is a $1.7 billion industry, and it’s only legal in 15 states. That’s $1.7B that didn’t go to the bad guys (tax free, of course.)
    Compare that to Pfizer’s $1.9 billion, 50 state market for Viagra. However, that should not be interpreted to mean that people would rather use cannabis than have sex. 😉
    /Did someone just suggest to “light one up?”

  147. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    War is Peace

    Freedom is Slavery

    Ignorance is Strength

    Terrorism is Overseas Contingency Operations

    Warfare is kinetic military action

  148. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
    Terrorism is Overseas Contingency Operations
    Warfare is kinetic military action

  149. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I did not have sex with that woman. It was kinetic action.

  150. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I did not have sex with that woman. It was kinetic action.

  151. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have a degree in kinesiology.

  152. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have a degree in kinesiology.

  153. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I have a degree in kinesiology.

    Musta got it from Kinsey

  154. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I have a degree in kinesiology.

    Musta got it from Kinsey

  155. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m a distributor for Hooked On Kenetics. It’s only $99.00. If you’re interested give me a call.

  156. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m a distributor for Hooked On Kenetics. It’s only $99.00. If you’re interested give me a call.

  157. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Call 1-800-URA-DUMBAZZ

  158. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Call 1-800-URA-DUMBAZZ

  159. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Bob

    Your’re becoming a reliable source of entertainment for me.

    Notwithstanding the typo, I think the fact that you find Sarge a “source of entertainment” kinda makes his point.

  160. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Bob

    Your’re becoming a reliable source of entertainment for me.

    Notwithstanding the typo, I think the fact that you find Sarge a “source of entertainment” kinda makes his point.

  161. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’m tempted – do I cut grass and move dirt while the sun is still shining, then come in and cook dinner and do my paperwork after?

    Or do I stick to my computer and slave away, putting off the weeds until tomorrow?

    And no, Bob, it’s not those kind of weeds.

  162. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’m tempted – do I cut grass and move dirt while the sun is still shining, then come in and cook dinner and do my paperwork after?
    Or do I stick to my computer and slave away, putting off the weeds until tomorrow?
    And no, Bob, it’s not those kind of weeds.

  163. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have a couple of close Marine friends I’d like to lock in a room with the “kinetic action” guy.

  164. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I have a couple of close Marine friends I’d like to lock in a room with the “kinetic action” guy.

  165. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    You wanna be locked in a room with a couple of Marines and do kinetic action?

  166. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    You wanna be locked in a room with a couple of Marines and do kinetic action?

  167. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bob, I’ve quit reading most of your posts and all of your links. Been disgusted too many times. That is all.

  168. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Bob, I’ve quit reading most of your posts and all of your links. Been disgusted too many times. That is all.

  169. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #80 Tedtam, I was responding to M42.

    Thanks for letting me know that they weren’t “those kind of weeds.” I was about to offer to lend a hand.

  170. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #80 Tedtam, I was responding to M42.
    Thanks for letting me know that they weren’t “those kind of weeds.” I was about to offer to lend a hand.

  171. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #80 Tedtam

    Your’re becoming a reliable source of entertainment for me.

    Notwithstanding the typo, I think the fact that you find Sarge a “source of entertainment” kinda makes his point.

    I think it was me that bob was carping about…

  172. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #80 Tedtam

    Your’re becoming a reliable source of entertainment for me.

    Notwithstanding the typo, I think the fact that you find Sarge a “source of entertainment” kinda makes his point.

    I think it was me that bob was carping about…

  173. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Ah, well, same point.

  174. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Ah, well, same point.

  175. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #84 Can you offer any examples?

    Bob, I’ve quit reading most of your posts and all of your links. Been disgusted too many times.

    Can you state any rational reasons for your seemingly biased, clearly judgmental behavior and opinions? Come on, we’re adults, right?

  176. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #84 Can you offer any examples?

    Bob, I’ve quit reading most of your posts and all of your links. Been disgusted too many times.

    Can you state any rational reasons for your seemingly biased, clearly judgmental behavior and opinions? Come on, we’re adults, right?

  177. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #72 Sarge

    once you’ve tolchocked

    I was going to guess Clockwork Orange but didn’t have time to check when I first saw your #72. Now I checked & I’m not sure what it is!

    This is a cross-over fanfic between Yugi-Oh and A Clockwork Orange.

    Now I’ll have to look up Yugi-Oh. 🙂

  178. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #72 Sarge

    once you’ve tolchocked

    I was going to guess Clockwork Orange but didn’t have time to check when I first saw your #72. Now I checked & I’m not sure what it is!

    This is a cross-over fanfic between Yugi-Oh and A Clockwork Orange.

    Now I’ll have to look up Yugi-Oh. 🙂

  179. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    ……Rational reasons for your clearly biased and judgmental behavior and opinions?

    I hate it when the bong is empty

  180. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    ……Rational reasons for your clearly biased and judgmental behavior and opinions?
    I hate it when the bong is empty

  181. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Tedtam #21;

    And I see Michelle Bachmann has DECIDED to form an exploratory committee.

    Something we most likely **can** hold our breaths to is how long it’ll take for bob to ridicule her based on her religiosity.

  182. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Tedtam #21;

    And I see Michelle Bachmann has DECIDED to form an exploratory committee.

    Something we most likely **can** hold our breaths to is how long it’ll take for bob to ridicule her based on her religiosity.

  183. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    can you supply reliable evidence behind that accusation

    HERE?

    Comment post #1 was made at 9:13 am
    Comment post #9 was made at 10:20 am.

    This go around it only took bob an hour and seven minutes to get to the gutter.

    Let’s see, sex between O’Donnell and Meher, Sarah Palin’s daughter getting knocked up by a male ho baseball player, Sarah Palin making bob, ummmm, wet his bed… my daughter is present so I must stop.

    For the record, I read the same article bob linked at his #9 a few days ago. I think it was a “Dude” post on Hot Air. I knew bob would love it but I decided not to link it here. Not that I’m automatically against linking it, I just didn’t see the purpose.

  184. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    can you supply reliable evidence behind that accusation

    HERE?
    Comment post #1 was made at 9:13 am
    Comment post #9 was made at 10:20 am.
    This go around it only took bob an hour and seven minutes to get to the gutter.
    Let’s see, sex between O’Donnell and Meher, Sarah Palin’s daughter getting knocked up by a male ho baseball player, Sarah Palin making bob, ummmm, wet his bed… my daughter is present so I must stop.
    For the record, I read the same article bob linked at his #9 a few days ago. I think it was a “Dude” post on Hot Air. I knew bob would love it but I decided not to link it here. Not that I’m automatically against linking it, I just didn’t see the purpose.

  185. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon #75;

    I did not have sex with that woman. It was kinetic action.

    LOL! Obama makes more and more a fool of himself everytime he tries to justify his actions. Just like Bill did as president.

  186. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon #75;

    I did not have sex with that woman. It was kinetic action.

    LOL! Obama makes more and more a fool of himself everytime he tries to justify his actions. Just like Bill did as president.

  187. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Dude #18;

    Seriously though, I think Crazy Aunt nails it. If God had wanted us to be automatons He could have done that. I trust He had a sound reason for not making us that way.

    Ditto regarding Tedtam.

    I believe God gave us free will because it is essential to have in order to experience true freedom. And I think by giving us free will, true glory goes to God for those who serve Him do so through their own free will and choice. It also gives true glory to Christ who, according to the will of the Father, freely chose to die for our sins and through His blood we can all be sanctified.

    Free will is true power and a very precious gift. A gift to be used correctly.

  188. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Dude #18;

    Seriously though, I think Crazy Aunt nails it. If God had wanted us to be automatons He could have done that. I trust He had a sound reason for not making us that way.

    Ditto regarding Tedtam.
    I believe God gave us free will because it is essential to have in order to experience true freedom. And I think by giving us free will, true glory goes to God for those who serve Him do so through their own free will and choice. It also gives true glory to Christ who, according to the will of the Father, freely chose to die for our sins and through His blood we can all be sanctified.
    Free will is true power and a very precious gift. A gift to be used correctly.

  189. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge #34;

    He could not create us with Free Will while at the same time knowing what we would do in the future.

    Sure god would create us with free will as well as know all things in the future. Thats the exact nature of existence. God knows how all things will turn out, including each and every ne of us and our eternal salvation (or not). God knows that our eternal destiny (NOT pre-determined) will be made according to what we choose to do.

  190. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Sarge #34;

    He could not create us with Free Will while at the same time knowing what we would do in the future.

    Sure god would create us with free will as well as know all things in the future. Thats the exact nature of existence. God knows how all things will turn out, including each and every ne of us and our eternal salvation (or not). God knows that our eternal destiny (NOT pre-determined) will be made according to what we choose to do.

  191. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Can God make a rock so heavy that even he can’t pick it up?

    Sarge, I like that question. My answer is, yes, God can make a rock so heavy that He can’t pick it up; but He can also pick it up.

    Don’t look at me, my thinking is limited to mortality. It’s impossible for me to comprehend the eternites during mortality. So, yes, faith absolutely plays a role.

  192. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Can God make a rock so heavy that even he can’t pick it up?

    Sarge, I like that question. My answer is, yes, God can make a rock so heavy that He can’t pick it up; but He can also pick it up.
    Don’t look at me, my thinking is limited to mortality. It’s impossible for me to comprehend the eternites during mortality. So, yes, faith absolutely plays a role.

  193. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Sure god would create us with free will as well as know all things in the future. Thats the exact nature of existence. God knows how all things will turn out, including each and every ne of us and our eternal salvation (or not). God knows that our eternal destiny (NOT pre-determined) will be made according to what we choose to do.

    Holy Mother Church calls it a mystery.

  194. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Sure god would create us with free will as well as know all things in the future. Thats the exact nature of existence. God knows how all things will turn out, including each and every ne of us and our eternal salvation (or not). God knows that our eternal destiny (NOT pre-determined) will be made according to what we choose to do.

    Holy Mother Church calls it a mystery.

  195. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #91 Darren, nah. That would be neither appropriate nor necessary. I could not care less what Bachmann believes about the supernatural as long as she is able to distinguish them from her responsibilities as a statesman.

    Her “potential” candidacy is already providing ample inspiration. This draft came to mind earlier.

    DES MOINES, IA (AP) According live video, as well as later reports of the first Republican presidential debate obtained from ABC affiliate WOI, Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann, lapsed into a coma immediately after hearing a question posed to her by co-moderator Diane Sawyer.

    While it is not clear that Bachmann’s previous embarrassment over confusing two Massachusetts cities with two others in New Hampshire was related to her collapse, critics on the right were quick to point out that it was unfair to ask the candidate to name the capitol of New England.

  196. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #91 Darren, nah. That would be neither appropriate nor necessary. I could not care less what Bachmann believes about the supernatural as long as she is able to distinguish them from her responsibilities as a statesman.
    Her “potential” candidacy is already providing ample inspiration. This draft came to mind earlier.

    DES MOINES, IA (AP) According live video, as well as later reports of the first Republican presidential debate obtained from ABC affiliate WOI, Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann, lapsed into a coma immediately after hearing a question posed to her by co-moderator Diane Sawyer.
    While it is not clear that Bachmann’s previous embarrassment over confusing two Massachusetts cities with two others in New Hampshire was related to her collapse, critics on the right were quick to point out that it was unfair to ask the candidate to name the capitol of New England.

  197. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    wagonburner;

    I think ther following is quite applicable:

    early 14c., in a theological sense, “religious truth via divine revelation, mystical presence of God,” from Anglo-Fr. *misterie (O.Fr. mistere), from L. mysterium, from Gk. mysterion (usually in pl. mysteria) “secret rite or doctrine,” from mystes “one who has been initiated,” from myein “to close, shut,” perhaps referring to the lips (in secrecy) or to the eyes (only initiates were allowed to see the sacred rites). The Greek word was used in Septuagint for “secret counsel of God,” translated in Vulgate as sacramentum. Non-theological use in English, “a hidden or secret thing,” is from c.1300. In reference to the ancient rites of Greece, Egypt, etc. it is attested from 1640s. Meaning “detective story” first recorded in English 1908.

    Gotta love those ancient Greeks.

    LINK

  198. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    wagonburner;
    I think ther following is quite applicable:

    early 14c., in a theological sense, “religious truth via divine revelation, mystical presence of God,” from Anglo-Fr. *misterie (O.Fr. mistere), from L. mysterium, from Gk. mysterion (usually in pl. mysteria) “secret rite or doctrine,” from mystes “one who has been initiated,” from myein “to close, shut,” perhaps referring to the lips (in secrecy) or to the eyes (only initiates were allowed to see the sacred rites). The Greek word was used in Septuagint for “secret counsel of God,” translated in Vulgate as sacramentum. Non-theological use in English, “a hidden or secret thing,” is from c.1300. In reference to the ancient rites of Greece, Egypt, etc. it is attested from 1640s. Meaning “detective story” first recorded in English 1908.

    Gotta love those ancient Greeks.
    LINK

  199. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    That would be neither appropriate nor necessary. I could not care less what Bachmann believes about the supernatural as long as she is able to distinguish them from her responsibilities as a statesman.

    My point exactly. You have no clue what it means to distinguish God from government. At least not in any sense the Founders would agree with.

    And the capital of New England is New London. Duh! 😉

  200. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    That would be neither appropriate nor necessary. I could not care less what Bachmann believes about the supernatural as long as she is able to distinguish them from her responsibilities as a statesman.

    My point exactly. You have no clue what it means to distinguish God from government. At least not in any sense the Founders would agree with.
    And the capital of New England is New London. Duh! 😉

  201. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Video: Herman Cain remembers segregation

    I really like Herman Cain. He’s a good man and whose achievements are to admire.

  202. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Video: Herman Cain remembers segregation
    I really like Herman Cain. He’s a good man and whose achievements are to admire.

  203. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    DES MOINES, IA (AP) According live video, as wall as later reports of the first Republican presidential debate obtained from ABC affiliate WOI, Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann, lapsed into a coma immediately after hearing question posed by Diane Sawyer.

    That’s actually pretty funny.

    I think we’ve had a gravitas deficit for forty years in American politics. It’s getting “worser and worser.” (see Obama)

  204. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    DES MOINES, IA (AP) According live video, as wall as later reports of the first Republican presidential debate obtained from ABC affiliate WOI, Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann, lapsed into a coma immediately after hearing question posed by Diane Sawyer.

    That’s actually pretty funny.
    I think we’ve had a gravitas deficit for forty years in American politics. It’s getting “worser and worser.” (see Obama)

  205. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #100 Darren, LOL!

    And the capital of New England is New London. Duh!

    You should consider forming an exploratory committee, or at the least, becoming a Bachmann campaign advisor.

  206. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #100 Darren, LOL!

    And the capital of New England is New London. Duh!

    You should consider forming an exploratory committee, or at the least, becoming a Bachmann campaign advisor.

  207. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    becoming a Bachmann campaign advisor.

    My advice: “Michelle, stay the h*ll away from bob.”

    Would that be good? 🙂

  208. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    becoming a Bachmann campaign advisor.

    My advice: “Michelle, stay the h*ll away from bob.”
    Would that be good? 🙂

  209. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon;

    It’s getting “worser and worser.” (see Obama)

    Not much kinetics without those gravitas.

  210. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon;

    It’s getting “worser and worser.” (see Obama)

    Not much kinetics without those gravitas.

  211. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Teen Clothing-Store Melee Caught on Video in Philly

    More examples of teens who probably did not accept respect for authority and their parents.

  212. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Teen Clothing-Store Melee Caught on Video in Philly
    More examples of teens who probably did not accept respect for authority and their parents.

  213. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Outside Looking in: Obama Gets Locked Out of White House

    Now, how appropriate was that!?!?!?

    As the article says:

    Let the 2012 political analogies begin now.

  214. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Outside Looking in: Obama Gets Locked Out of White House
    Now, how appropriate was that!?!?!?
    As the article says:

    Let the 2012 political analogies begin now.

  215. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    After re-watching the 6-part BBC “Hitchhiker” last week, this week I watched the 2005 movie. The 1981 series seems 10X better to me, but could be partly “baby duck syndrome” where the first thing you see is yore mammy and nothing else will ever do.

    I didn’t think the movie was terrible, just different and not as good. One cute touch was in the administration building of the Vogon bureaucrats, with a wide array of aliens and odd looking beings, we got a few quick glimpses of the original Marvin robot standing in queue.

    I didn’t like the 2005 round bobbity robot much. His shape just didn’t match well with being depressed. And I much prefer the 1981 blonde Trillian to the new brunette version. The worst offence: very little of or from the electronic Guide is presented in this movie. Grade: B-

  216. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    After re-watching the 6-part BBC “Hitchhiker” last week, this week I watched the 2005 movie. The 1981 series seems 10X better to me, but could be partly “baby duck syndrome” where the first thing you see is yore mammy and nothing else will ever do.
    I didn’t think the movie was terrible, just different and not as good. One cute touch was in the administration building of the Vogon bureaucrats, with a wide array of aliens and odd looking beings, we got a few quick glimpses of the original Marvin robot standing in queue.
    I didn’t like the 2005 round bobbity robot much. His shape just didn’t match well with being depressed. And I much prefer the 1981 blonde Trillian to the new brunette version. The worst offence: very little of or from the electronic Guide is presented in this movie. Grade: B-

  217. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’m on episode 3 of Hitchhiker now. Other than special effects, I much prefer the BBC version. The movie was abominable, IMHO. I had to force myself to watch it.

  218. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’m on episode 3 of Hitchhiker now. Other than special effects, I much prefer the BBC version. The movie was abominable, IMHO. I had to force myself to watch it.

  219. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m so out of the loop. I’ve never heard of hitchhiker.
    But, hey, I did see Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wollf. Twice.
    And Streetcar Named Desire at least ten times.
    And Rocky Horror at least ten times.
    And at least five or six episodes of Star Trek. Which I figured out real quick was my lifetime quota of scify
    Oh man I am so uncool

  220. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I’m so out of the loop. I’ve never heard of hitchhiker.
    But, hey, I did see Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wollf. Twice.
    And Streetcar Named Desire at least ten times.
    And Rocky Horror at least ten times.
    And at least five or six episodes of Star Trek. Which I figured out real quick was my lifetime quota of scify
    Oh man I am so uncool

  221. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Just as was turning off the water after my shower this morning it occurred to me that there were no towels in my bathroom. I thought to myself, “Don’t Panic. And remember to bring a towel.”

    At least we seem to agree that the BBC series is light years better than the more recent movie. But I still think the books beat both of them. My leather backed edition of the five part trilogy arrived today. It’ll prolly be years before I’m inclined to read them again, but it’s there on the bookshelf, and the kids I gave my paperbacks to tell me they like them.

  222. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Just as was turning off the water after my shower this morning it occurred to me that there were no towels in my bathroom. I thought to myself, “Don’t Panic. And remember to bring a towel.”
    At least we seem to agree that the BBC series is light years better than the more recent movie. But I still think the books beat both of them. My leather backed edition of the five part trilogy arrived today. It’ll prolly be years before I’m inclined to read them again, but it’s there on the bookshelf, and the kids I gave my paperbacks to tell me they like them.

  223. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon #110;

    Oh man I am so uncool

    Are you kidding me? You watched a movie about a man dressed in drag at least ten times. That makes you hip! The only thing hipper would be to see Squawkbox in lepard-skinned speedos.

  224. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I thought to myself, “Don’t Panic. And remember to bring a towel.”

    Great, now we find out that bob has weirdo killer robots in the shower with him. 😯

  225. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I thought to myself, “Don’t Panic. And remember to bring a towel.”

    Great, now we find out that bob has weirdo killer robots in the shower with him. 😯

  226. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    I hate it when the bong is empty

    Yeah. I was gonna ask for a hit, dangit!!!

    #107 Darren: Was he whistling? Seriously, was he whistling? He’s sooooooo dreamy!!!

  227. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    I hate it when the bong is empty

    Yeah. I was gonna ask for a hit, dangit!!!
    #107 Darren: Was he whistling? Seriously, was he whistling? He’s sooooooo dreamy!!!

  228. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #110 Shannon

    And at least five or six episodes of Star Trek. Which I figured out real quick was my lifetime quota of scify

    I won’t even begin to list m scifi viewings. A scifi wimp such as yourself would really feel inscifignificant. /I know, I know…putting myself in a corner somewhere

    But I wouldn’t classify yourself as uncool. You’ve got some good watchin’ there.

  229. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    #110 Shannon

    And at least five or six episodes of Star Trek. Which I figured out real quick was my lifetime quota of scify

    I won’t even begin to list m scifi viewings. A scifi wimp such as yourself would really feel inscifignificant. /I know, I know…putting myself in a corner somewhere
    But I wouldn’t classify yourself as uncool. You’ve got some good watchin’ there.

  230. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    Well, I wasn’t gonna say anything the other day about the hitchhiker, but since Shannon sed something, I’ve heard of The Hitcher. Too bad the finger french fry wasn’t in the trailer. I love C. Thomas Howell and I’ve seen this movie a brazillion times!! 🙂

  231. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Well, I wasn’t gonna say anything the other day about the hitchhiker, but since Shannon sed something, I’ve heard of The Hitcher. Too bad the finger french fry wasn’t in the trailer. I love C. Thomas Howell and I’ve seen this movie a brazillion times!! 🙂

  232. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    What is it about Philly that makes it a steady magnet for uncivilized behavior at the drop of a hat–or piece of paper, or a champion sports team, or anything at all? Lots of the civilized folk have long since fled the city to the suburbs. And the decay creeps outward toward them. Might one be so bold as to examine who has been running the place for the last several decades?

    Isn’t that decay the way Detroit’s downfall spiraled out of control? Several cousins who grew up in Detroit and bailed out sure think so and have no remorse in leaving.

  233. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    What is it about Philly that makes it a steady magnet for uncivilized behavior at the drop of a hat–or piece of paper, or a champion sports team, or anything at all? Lots of the civilized folk have long since fled the city to the suburbs. And the decay creeps outward toward them. Might one be so bold as to examine who has been running the place for the last several decades?
    Isn’t that decay the way Detroit’s downfall spiraled out of control? Several cousins who grew up in Detroit and bailed out sure think so and have no remorse in leaving.

  234. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Southern Tragedy;

    If to think Obama’s “soooooo dreammmmy”, than I assure you and all others that I have great hope for your change. 😉

    I watched The Hitcher when I was young. I’d probably think it’s cheesy now. But cheesy movies can have their own unique appeal. And, ah, yes, the french fry finger scene. Who could forget that?

  235. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Southern Tragedy;
    If to think Obama’s “soooooo dreammmmy”, than I assure you and all others that I have great hope for your change. 😉
    I watched The Hitcher when I was young. I’d probably think it’s cheesy now. But cheesy movies can have their own unique appeal. And, ah, yes, the french fry finger scene. Who could forget that?

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