Thursday Leader of Libya Open Comments

So, how should Big Mo’s name be spelled? We’ve all seen lots of variations in various articles in many places.

Each time Libya appears in the news, scores of newspaper editors go bananas. Once possessed of faculties that could detect a breaking story as readily as a dangling participle, these poor souls are now reduced to a jabbering stupor, as though they had gazed into the tentacled maw of Cthulhu himself.
Blame it on the name of the country’s head of state, Colonel Gaddafi. Wait, no, that’s Kaddafi. Or maybe it’s Qadhafi. Tell you what, we’ll just call him by his first name, which is, er … hoo boy.

Homeboy can’t seem to make up his own mind, either.

Libya’s Brother Leader lets a hundred flowers bloom. The banner at the top of his official website spells it, “AL Gathafi.” But if you go deeper into the site, you’ll see it variously rendered as “Al Qaddafi,” “Algathafi,” and “Al-Gathafi.”

It just gets more and more confusing, until…

This is the point where most editors give up and run a story on Justin Bieber instead.

On a related note, the years are starting to take their toll on our erstwhile protagonist. At one time, he was quite the handsome young colonel, with a Tom Jones-like look.

Lately, he’s looking more like a washed-up Ron Jeremy’s older uncle.

Or a South American tinpot dictator.


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254 responses to “Thursday Leader of Libya Open Comments”

  1. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    FIRST

  2. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    FIRST

  3. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    I fear all this may not end well.

    Americans trying to flee the chaos of Libya’s uprising are stuck waiting aboard a ferry because of rough seas.

    The 600-passenger ferry at Tripoli’s As-shahab port, which has been chartered by the U.S. government, was supposed to leave for Malta on Wednesday.

    But a spokesman for the American Embassy in Malta said Thursday that bad weather made that impossible. Strong winds have been whipping up high waves in the Mediterranean.
    snip
    People who escaped the chaos of Libya on two Turkish ships say they saw looting, bodies hanging from electric polls and militias driving vans filled with victims who had died in the uprising.

    A Canadian, who only identified himself as George, says the terrifying situation there means “more attention should be paid to those who stayed behind.” He was among the more than 3,000 evacuees who arrived at this Mediterranean Turkish port early Thursday.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/23/2-ships-carry-3000-turks-home-libya/

  4. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    I fear all this may not end well.

    Americans trying to flee the chaos of Libya’s uprising are stuck waiting aboard a ferry because of rough seas.
    The 600-passenger ferry at Tripoli’s As-shahab port, which has been chartered by the U.S. government, was supposed to leave for Malta on Wednesday.
    But a spokesman for the American Embassy in Malta said Thursday that bad weather made that impossible. Strong winds have been whipping up high waves in the Mediterranean.
    snip
    People who escaped the chaos of Libya on two Turkish ships say they saw looting, bodies hanging from electric polls and militias driving vans filled with victims who had died in the uprising.
    A Canadian, who only identified himself as George, says the terrifying situation there means “more attention should be paid to those who stayed behind.” He was among the more than 3,000 evacuees who arrived at this Mediterranean Turkish port early Thursday.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/23/2-ships-carry-3000-turks-home-libya/

  5. El Gordo Avatar

    I certainly am happy that I’m not mesonoxian. Sounds like a tiring lifestyle.

  6. Dude42 Avatar

    I certainly am happy that I’m not mesonoxian. Sounds like a tiring lifestyle.

  7. El Gordo Avatar

    I have been known to be zymurgical at times though.

  8. Dude42 Avatar

    I have been known to be zymurgical at times though.

  9. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    As we wake up this morning, we find we are in a country where the orice of gas has risen by 8.5% in one day, and the price of oil has risen 20% in one week. Americans who are employed are contemplating whether or not to go on vacaction with gas at $4.00 plus per gallon. 20% of our neighbors are either collecting unemployment or working part time because they can’t find full time unemployment. Millions more have fallen off the unemployment rolls because thier benefits have run out. Social Security is paying out more than it takes in. We are staring the prossibility of pan-Arabic hegemony in the face. Iranian warships are making ports of call in Saudi Arabia and have transited the Suez canal on thier way to making a port of call in Turkey. The State of Wisconsin will have to shut down this weekend because they cannot issue bonds without passing a budget because some lawmakers don’t want to face the solutions to the problem, and at least three other States will be in the same condition in the coming months.

    But before the day is out, one of us who sits here on Hammie’s couch will come in and make sure that we are talking about the REAL issues in this country:

    Pot smokin’ and butt wissin’.

  10. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    As we wake up this morning, we find we are in a country where the orice of gas has risen by 8.5% in one day, and the price of oil has risen 20% in one week. Americans who are employed are contemplating whether or not to go on vacaction with gas at $4.00 plus per gallon. 20% of our neighbors are either collecting unemployment or working part time because they can’t find full time unemployment. Millions more have fallen off the unemployment rolls because thier benefits have run out. Social Security is paying out more than it takes in. We are staring the prossibility of pan-Arabic hegemony in the face. Iranian warships are making ports of call in Saudi Arabia and have transited the Suez canal on thier way to making a port of call in Turkey. The State of Wisconsin will have to shut down this weekend because they cannot issue bonds without passing a budget because some lawmakers don’t want to face the solutions to the problem, and at least three other States will be in the same condition in the coming months.
    But before the day is out, one of us who sits here on Hammie’s couch will come in and make sure that we are talking about the REAL issues in this country:
    Pot smokin’ and butt wissin’.

  11. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Beer geeking mesonoxianophope.

  12. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Beer geeking mesonoxianophope.

  13. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    “Lately, he’s looking more like a washed-up Ron Jeremy’s older uncle.” 😀
    Mornin’ Gang

  14. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    “Lately, he’s looking more like a washed-up Ron Jeremy’s older uncle.” 😀
    Mornin’ Gang

  15. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    “As we wake up this morning, we find we are in a country where the price of gas has risen by 8.5% in one day, and the price of oil has risen 20% in one week.”
    Yup, Gas over $100 a barrel and my portfolio is down $7857 in 2 days, still no drilling in the gulf,….Dave’s NOT liking that Hoppy Change Stuff. 🙁

  16. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    “As we wake up this morning, we find we are in a country where the price of gas has risen by 8.5% in one day, and the price of oil has risen 20% in one week.”
    Yup, Gas over $100 a barrel and my portfolio is down $7857 in 2 days, still no drilling in the gulf,….Dave’s NOT liking that Hoppy Change Stuff. 🙁

  17. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Dave’s NOT liking that Hoppy Change Stuff.

    Yah;
    But you got that green job comin don’t you?

  18. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Dave’s NOT liking that Hoppy Change Stuff.

    Yah;
    But you got that green job comin don’t you?

  19. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    5 Sarge says:
    February 24, 2011 at 7:05 am

    As we wake up this morning, we find we are in a country where………….

    All’s not doom and gloom, I buttoned my shirt this morning and it came out even. Gonna be a good day.

  20. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    5 Sarge says:
    February 24, 2011 at 7:05 am
    As we wake up this morning, we find we are in a country where………….

    All’s not doom and gloom, I buttoned my shirt this morning and it came out even. Gonna be a good day.

  21. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Thursday Leader of Libya Open Comments
    Posted on February 24, 2011 by wagonburner

    So, how should Big Mo’s name be spelled?

    Just leave it shortened to Mo. That would then make his brothers Larry and Curly.

  22. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Thursday Leader of Libya Open Comments
    Posted on February 24, 2011 by wagonburner
    So, how should Big Mo’s name be spelled?

    Just leave it shortened to Mo. That would then make his brothers Larry and Curly.

  23. Hamous Avatar

    Now Qadhaffy looks like a washed up Montrose drag queen, all he is missing is a large womans old wedding dress.

  24. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Now Qadhaffy looks like a washed up Montrose drag queen, all he is missing is a large womans old wedding dress.

  25. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Tennessee
    A Tennessee State trooper pulled over a pickup on I-65. The trooper asked, “Got any ID?”
    The driver replied, “Bout whut?”

  26. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Tennessee
    A Tennessee State trooper pulled over a pickup on I-65. The trooper asked, “Got any ID?”
    The driver replied, “Bout whut?”

  27. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    SuperDave
    From yesterday.

    28 Super Dave says:
    February 23, 2011 at 10:26 am

    BTW; Bonecrusher & OletimerLin
    I went to Alabama over the long weekend and had a great time with my tractor and chain saw, but the best part was when I took the Browning/Winchester model 71 down to the pond and fired off a few rounds. It was printing high and to the left @ 50 Yds. I could understand it being high because it was probably sighted in for 100-150 Yds, but 2” to the left would be almost twice that at 100 Yds. I didn’t bother to adjust the sights because with my old eyes I’m going to need a scope. I had to take off my glasses to see the sights but the target was blurry

    .

    Do you perchance wear progressive lens? They will move you visual point of impact. Put a coffee cup on the counter and look down on tit so it is round. Slowly move your head from side to side and see what happens to the cup.

    I discovered that when I was consistently shooting about 2″ to the right. When I am shooting, I put on single vision glasses. Problem solved.

  28. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    SuperDave
    From yesterday.

    28 Super Dave says:
    February 23, 2011 at 10:26 am
    BTW; Bonecrusher & OletimerLin
    I went to Alabama over the long weekend and had a great time with my tractor and chain saw, but the best part was when I took the Browning/Winchester model 71 down to the pond and fired off a few rounds. It was printing high and to the left @ 50 Yds. I could understand it being high because it was probably sighted in for 100-150 Yds, but 2” to the left would be almost twice that at 100 Yds. I didn’t bother to adjust the sights because with my old eyes I’m going to need a scope. I had to take off my glasses to see the sights but the target was blurry

    .
    Do you perchance wear progressive lens? They will move you visual point of impact. Put a coffee cup on the counter and look down on tit so it is round. Slowly move your head from side to side and see what happens to the cup.
    I discovered that when I was consistently shooting about 2″ to the right. When I am shooting, I put on single vision glasses. Problem solved.

  29. Katfish Avatar

    and look down on tit so it is round

    heh heh heh

  30. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    and look down on tit so it is round

    heh heh heh

  31. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I can’t wait.

    Can’t happen. Obama didn’t even bow to them.

  32. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I can’t wait.

    Can’t happen. Obama didn’t even bow to them.

  33. Hamous Avatar

    #15Sarge: That looks like it could be a good flick; especially in 3D.

  34. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #15Sarge: That looks like it could be a good flick; especially in 3D.

  35. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    16 wagonburner says:
    February 24, 2011 at 8:20 am

    and look down on tit so it is round

    heh heh heh

    Danged edit button…….and spellcheck didn’t pick it up either.

  36. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    16 wagonburner says:
    February 24, 2011 at 8:20 am
    and look down on tit so it is round
    heh heh heh

    Danged edit button…….and spellcheck didn’t pick it up either.

  37. El Gordo Avatar

    Mostly they’s round no matter how I look at ’em.

  38. Dude42 Avatar

    Mostly they’s round no matter how I look at ’em.

  39. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Tabitha Hale responds to the attack on her by a union goon.
    http://michellemalkin.com/

  40. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Tabitha Hale responds to the attack on her by a union goon.
    http://michellemalkin.com/

  41. El Gordo Avatar

    Of course age tends to make ’em more oblong. No disrespect intended there, just an observation.

  42. Dude42 Avatar

    Of course age tends to make ’em more oblong. No disrespect intended there, just an observation.

  43. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Tabitha Hale responds to the attack on her by a union goon.

    Haven’t I seen that guy in some other clips at different events?

  44. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Tabitha Hale responds to the attack on her by a union goon.

    Haven’t I seen that guy in some other clips at different events?

  45. Hamous Avatar

    Dooooode and Geezer: The roundness depends on which part of the -it you are looking at. If you are considering the whole thing then its position and your perspective are really important.

  46. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Dooooode and Geezer: The roundness depends on which part of the -it you are looking at. If you are considering the whole thing then its position and your perspective are really important.

  47. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Of course age tends to make ‘em more oblong

    Know the difference between a 20 and a 50 year old woman?

    The 20 year old can stand in water up to her butt without getting her breasts wet and vice-versa.

  48. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Of course age tends to make ‘em more oblong

    Know the difference between a 20 and a 50 year old woman?
    The 20 year old can stand in water up to her butt without getting her breasts wet and vice-versa.

  49. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. Kinda overwhelming dampish 68 at 6, ugh. Where’s that next front?

    Regarding ole Moamar and the ever-changing spellings of his name: Hey, it’s a smorgasbord, you get to pick out what you like at the moment. There’s so much to choose from. Persnickety editors can just string every iteration of if behind the first choice. Covers all the bases. Ever wonder why he never made himself a 5-star General of the Army? Staying a Colonel for decades kinda implies somebody ranks above you–but perhaps that’s just in the normal world. Too bad the missile strike Ronaldus Magnus ordered didn’t take ole Moamar out.

  50. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning Hamsters. Kinda overwhelming dampish 68 at 6, ugh. Where’s that next front?
    Regarding ole Moamar and the ever-changing spellings of his name: Hey, it’s a smorgasbord, you get to pick out what you like at the moment. There’s so much to choose from. Persnickety editors can just string every iteration of if behind the first choice. Covers all the bases. Ever wonder why he never made himself a 5-star General of the Army? Staying a Colonel for decades kinda implies somebody ranks above you–but perhaps that’s just in the normal world. Too bad the missile strike Ronaldus Magnus ordered didn’t take ole Moamar out.

  51. El Gordo Avatar

    #25,

    LOL! Probably good Mrs. Dooood does not read this blog.

  52. Dude42 Avatar

    #25,
    LOL! Probably good Mrs. Dooood does not read this blog.

  53. Hamous Avatar

    #21 Texakanukian: That guy really needs a “tune up”. Isn’t is against FEDERAL LAW for union turds to engage in violence during protests, not to mention simple assault charges on a state level?

  54. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #21 Texakanukian: That guy really needs a “tune up”. Isn’t is against FEDERAL LAW for union turds to engage in violence during protests, not to mention simple assault charges on a state level?

  55. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Anybody else having trouble getting to Yahoo mail?

  56. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Anybody else having trouble getting to Yahoo mail?

  57. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    I’m just grateful that we have Obama in the White House. Think how bad things would be if someone else were in there. Without him out apologizing for our behavior and bowing down and kissing the ring of every tin horn lutheran dictator in the ME, all the while getting Israel on the path to salvation, straightening up the Brits, and giving the Ruskies a good laugh, who knows how bad things could be. Why if we were to project some image of strength and have those lunatics fear us, things would be all too calm and there might be no crises to take advantage of – then what would we do?

    BTW, does anyone anywhere really even care or listen when Hillary or Dear Leader say something anymore? I doubt that even Moochelle listens to him, and we know BJ doesn’t listen to Hillary.

    Folks, we are in up to our necks, and the Dems want to spend more. Will we even survive as a nation until the next election?

  58. El Gordo Avatar

    I’m just grateful that we have Obama in the White House. Think how bad things would be if someone else were in there. Without him out apologizing for our behavior and bowing down and kissing the ring of every tin horn lutheran dictator in the ME, all the while getting Israel on the path to salvation, straightening up the Brits, and giving the Ruskies a good laugh, who knows how bad things could be. Why if we were to project some image of strength and have those lunatics fear us, things would be all too calm and there might be no crises to take advantage of – then what would we do?
    BTW, does anyone anywhere really even care or listen when Hillary or Dear Leader say something anymore? I doubt that even Moochelle listens to him, and we know BJ doesn’t listen to Hillary.
    Folks, we are in up to our necks, and the Dems want to spend more. Will we even survive as a nation until the next election?

  59. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    If you read the comments section of Malkin’s blog the thug is pictured in front of Fox News. They had buses and were a roaming band of thugs. It’s kind of like the crap the Arabs used for propaganda in the middle east. It was always the same guy holding the same injured child and crying. They took the pictures from different angles and released them saying they were from different locations.

    I agree that criminal charges and prosecution is definitely in order. I won’t hold my breath though.

  60. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    If you read the comments section of Malkin’s blog the thug is pictured in front of Fox News. They had buses and were a roaming band of thugs. It’s kind of like the crap the Arabs used for propaganda in the middle east. It was always the same guy holding the same injured child and crying. They took the pictures from different angles and released them saying they were from different locations.
    I agree that criminal charges and prosecution is definitely in order. I won’t hold my breath though.

  61. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #32 El Gordo Isn’t it sad that the only place we can get the news is from Fox or The UK,…the UK?!

  62. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #32 El Gordo Isn’t it sad that the only place we can get the news is from Fox or The UK,…the UK?!

  63. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    We need to watch these people and the media, the sheeple who see a new meal ticket will buy into their lies and deceptions.

    Former[?] Communist and White House “Green Jobs Czar,” Van Jones, is partnering with Moveon.org in calling on progressives to engage in a massive protest at state capitols in all 50 states this Saturday.

    http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/02/24/moveonorg-van-jones-call-for-saturday-march-on-all-50-state-capitols/

  64. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    We need to watch these people and the media, the sheeple who see a new meal ticket will buy into their lies and deceptions.

    Former[?] Communist and White House “Green Jobs Czar,” Van Jones, is partnering with Moveon.org in calling on progressives to engage in a massive protest at state capitols in all 50 states this Saturday.

    http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/02/24/moveonorg-van-jones-call-for-saturday-march-on-all-50-state-capitols/

  65. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #34 – I’ll bet you can get a free box lunch just for showing up.

  66. El Gordo Avatar

    #34 – I’ll bet you can get a free box lunch just for showing up.

  67. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    No story yet but Fox is reporting that a Saudi man has been arrested for a WMD plot in Texas.
    http://www.foxnews.com/

  68. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    No story yet but Fox is reporting that a Saudi man has been arrested for a WMD plot in Texas.
    http://www.foxnews.com/

  69. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Here’s a link

    TEXAS RESIDENT ARRESTED ON CHARGE OF ATTEMPTED USE OF WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION

    Suspect Allegedly Purchased Bomb Materials and Researched U.S. Targets

    WASHINGTON – Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, 20, a citizen of Saudi Arabia and resident of Lubbock, Texas, was arrested late yesterday by FBI agents in Texas on a federal charge of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction in connection with his alleged purchase of chemicals and equipment necessary to make an improvised explosive device (IED) and his research of potential U.S. targets.

    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/02/saudi_man_living_in_west_texas_arrested_for_attempted_use_of_weapon_of_mass_destruction.php

  70. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Here’s a link

    TEXAS RESIDENT ARRESTED ON CHARGE OF ATTEMPTED USE OF WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
    Suspect Allegedly Purchased Bomb Materials and Researched U.S. Targets
    WASHINGTON – Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, 20, a citizen of Saudi Arabia and resident of Lubbock, Texas, was arrested late yesterday by FBI agents in Texas on a federal charge of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction in connection with his alleged purchase of chemicals and equipment necessary to make an improvised explosive device (IED) and his research of potential U.S. targets.

    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/02/saudi_man_living_in_west_texas_arrested_for_attempted_use_of_weapon_of_mass_destruction.php

  71. Katfish Avatar

    Just about all of the Arab world is in some state of turmoil. Iran is seeing protests again. Oil was flirting with $120.bbl. Widespread protests in the Midwest continue. The deficit continues to explode. The economic recovery remains very fragile. Real estate is still overvalued in many places by 20%. Unemployment remains near 10%.

    Must be time for another party.

    Hey, it’s P-BO’s turn. Michelle flew her wide a$$ to Vail – she had gone for a whole 40 days without a vacation, P-BO decided he needed to get his groove on.

  72. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Just about all of the Arab world is in some state of turmoil. Iran is seeing protests again. Oil was flirting with $120.bbl. Widespread protests in the Midwest continue. The deficit continues to explode. The economic recovery remains very fragile. Real estate is still overvalued in many places by 20%. Unemployment remains near 10%.
    Must be time for another party.
    Hey, it’s P-BO’s turn. Michelle flew her wide a$$ to Vail – she had gone for a whole 40 days without a vacation, P-BO decided he needed to get his groove on.

  73. Hamous Avatar

    H/T http://www.jpost.com Those wonderful, peace loving and seeking palestenian terd-nozzles are at it again!%#&(&^%&.
    Rockets were fired from Gaza into Beersheba and mortars were also launched into the Negev. Israel has responded with very limited action.
    The burning question I have is: HOW LONG MUST ISRAEL TOLERATE THIS KIND OF HARASSMENT??? These rocket/mortar attacks are ACTS OF WAR and Israel barely slaps the hands of those responsible; then the “world community” chastises Israel for a “disproportionate response”. I wonder how many mortars Germany would tolerate from Belgium before they wiped them out?? It is high time that Israel “cleanse” Gaza and eliminate the threat from that quarter.

  74. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    H/T http://www.jpost.com Those wonderful, peace loving and seeking palestenian terd-nozzles are at it again!%#&(&^%&.
    Rockets were fired from Gaza into Beersheba and mortars were also launched into the Negev. Israel has responded with very limited action.
    The burning question I have is: HOW LONG MUST ISRAEL TOLERATE THIS KIND OF HARASSMENT??? These rocket/mortar attacks are ACTS OF WAR and Israel barely slaps the hands of those responsible; then the “world community” chastises Israel for a “disproportionate response”. I wonder how many mortars Germany would tolerate from Belgium before they wiped them out?? It is high time that Israel “cleanse” Gaza and eliminate the threat from that quarter.

  75. Katfish Avatar

    #36-38
    Those wacky Lutherans.

    I, for one, am glad they’re just like everyone else.

  76. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #36-38
    Those wacky Lutherans.
    I, for one, am glad they’re just like everyone else.

  77. Hamous Avatar

    Let’s consider this scenario:
    In THE BOOK it speaks of a treaty that Israel signs with the anti-christ for 7 years. Islam, imho, represents said anti-christ. Seeing that the mid east is overwhelmingly moooooslim and that they overwhelmingly hate Israel and dramatically outnumber them, what would cause them to sign a treaty with them?? I suggest that the moooooslims are all going to come together against Israel again and by HIS HAND they will get clobbered again, and this will bring about the treaty that was prophesied.
    Whaddya think?

  78. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Let’s consider this scenario:
    In THE BOOK it speaks of a treaty that Israel signs with the anti-christ for 7 years. Islam, imho, represents said anti-christ. Seeing that the mid east is overwhelmingly moooooslim and that they overwhelmingly hate Israel and dramatically outnumber them, what would cause them to sign a treaty with them?? I suggest that the moooooslims are all going to come together against Israel again and by HIS HAND they will get clobbered again, and this will bring about the treaty that was prophesied.
    Whaddya think?

  79. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Just about all of the Arab world is in some state of turmoil. Iran is seeing protests again. Oil was flirting with $120.bbl. Widespread protests in the Midwest continue. The deficit continues to explode. The economic recovery remains very fragile. Real estate is still overvalued in many places by 20%. Unemployment remains near 10%.

    HEY!

    Pay attention to what’s important: pot smokin and butt wissin.

    Those are the only subjects that the People need to pay attention to. All this stuff about the economy and government spending is just a distraction.

    Those wacky Lutherans.

    I, for one, am glad they’re just like everyone else.

    They’ not, and nobody said they were.

    What somebody HAS said is that we won’t win by becoming like the most extreme of them are. He’s also said that you don’t win without properly defining the problem.

  80. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Just about all of the Arab world is in some state of turmoil. Iran is seeing protests again. Oil was flirting with $120.bbl. Widespread protests in the Midwest continue. The deficit continues to explode. The economic recovery remains very fragile. Real estate is still overvalued in many places by 20%. Unemployment remains near 10%.

    HEY!
    Pay attention to what’s important: pot smokin and butt wissin.
    Those are the only subjects that the People need to pay attention to. All this stuff about the economy and government spending is just a distraction.

    Those wacky Lutherans.
    I, for one, am glad they’re just like everyone else.

    They’ not, and nobody said they were.
    What somebody HAS said is that we won’t win by becoming like the most extreme of them are. He’s also said that you don’t win without properly defining the problem.

  81. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Sarge 43,

    Over the years I have differed with you about many things, but today I think you have a point.

    I am too old to worry about the distant future. It isn’t all that distant for me, but for the rest of of the population; we should concentrate on the critical few things that make or break this nation for certain.

    Simple

  82. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Sarge 43,
    Over the years I have differed with you about many things, but today I think you have a point.
    I am too old to worry about the distant future. It isn’t all that distant for me, but for the rest of of the population; we should concentrate on the critical few things that make or break this nation for certain.
    Simple

  83. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #29 – Although ‘YaHELL’ mail does suck in general – it’s functioning here this morning as well as it ever does……………….

  84. Katfish Avatar

    #29 – Although ‘YaHELL’ mail does suck in general – it’s functioning here this morning as well as it ever does……………….

  85. Hamous Avatar

    Sarge #43:

    He’s also said that you don’t win without properly defining the problem.

    The problem has been properly defined here many times already. In a nutshell it is:
    ISLAM IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CIVILIZED WESTERN LIFE

  86. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Sarge #43:

    He’s also said that you don’t win without properly defining the problem.

    The problem has been properly defined here many times already. In a nutshell it is:
    ISLAM IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CIVILIZED WESTERN LIFE

  87. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, after looking at his picture, it may be the only way he can get any.

    I find it highly “coincidental” that this happens in Chicago?

  88. Tedtam Avatar

    Well, after looking at his picture, it may be the only way he can get any.
    I find it highly “coincidental” that this happens in Chicago?

  89. Tedtam Avatar

    #42 Boney

    Muslim countries use treaties as a way of buying time, during which they consolidate and build up their forces.

    I think any entity is being foolish by thinking Muslim countries would honor any treaty with a non-Muslim country.

  90. Tedtam Avatar

    #42 Boney
    Muslim countries use treaties as a way of buying time, during which they consolidate and build up their forces.
    I think any entity is being foolish by thinking Muslim countries would honor any treaty with a non-Muslim country.

  91. El Gordo Avatar

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=180855

    It’s coming. Distant future? Maybe if we’re lucky.

  92. Dude42 Avatar

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=180855
    It’s coming. Distant future? Maybe if we’re lucky.

  93. Hamous Avatar

    #48 Queen TT: You are correct, madame. The concept, transllitterated into English is taquia. I think that it will not be a single country that signs the treaty but a conglomeration of the bulk in the region; perhaps under the auspices of the UN. The basic scenario outlined above still looks like the most likely outcome of the turmoil we are seeing. Wars, rumors of wars, nation rising against nation (nation in this case means people group), insurrection, etc.

    Matt 24:4-14

    4 And Jesus answered and said to them, ” See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 ” But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

    9 ” Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 “At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 “Because lawlessness(this word, in the Greek anomia means no commandment keeping) is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 ” But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
    NASU

    I suggest that the moooooslims are all going to come together against Israel again and by HIS HAND they will get clobbered again, and this will bring about the treaty that was prophesied.

  94. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #48 Queen TT: You are correct, madame. The concept, transllitterated into English is taquia. I think that it will not be a single country that signs the treaty but a conglomeration of the bulk in the region; perhaps under the auspices of the UN. The basic scenario outlined above still looks like the most likely outcome of the turmoil we are seeing. Wars, rumors of wars, nation rising against nation (nation in this case means people group), insurrection, etc.

    Matt 24:4-14
    4 And Jesus answered and said to them, ” See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 ” But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
    9 ” Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 “At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 “Because lawlessness(this word, in the Greek anomia means no commandment keeping) is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 ” But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
    NASU

    I suggest that the moooooslims are all going to come together against Israel again and by HIS HAND they will get clobbered again, and this will bring about the treaty that was prophesied.

  95. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The problem has been properly defined here many times already. In a nutshell it is:
    ISLAM IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CIVILIZED WESTERN LIFE

    The Western world was compatible with Islam from the middle 19th century until just after WW2. The process of disintegration of relations began after the creation of Isreal. Left oriented dictators saw the creation of Isreal as well as the Cold War as a means of manipulating thier populations in order to stay in power. Nobody can argue that Nasser, Assad, King Hussein of Jordan, were motivated by thier religion, but they were the early troublemakers. Niether can one argue that Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat were not motivated more by self enrichment and accumulation of power.

    We remain compatible with the Islamic populations of the Phillipines, which is considerable, Indonesia, which is the most populus Islamic nation on earth, as well as those nations in the Southeast Asia and the South Seas and the Baltic nations of Eastern Europe which consitute the greaterrm portion of the Islamic population of the planet.

    But those are the nations where the leaders and/or political systems do facilitate the use of religion to incite hatreds among the population.

    Defining the problem includes recognizing all facets and, in this case, populations and sects that compose the overly broad term “Islam.” I only want to fight the ones that are truly the problem, rather than incite those with whom we do not by condemning the entire religion.

  96. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    The problem has been properly defined here many times already. In a nutshell it is:
    ISLAM IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CIVILIZED WESTERN LIFE

    The Western world was compatible with Islam from the middle 19th century until just after WW2. The process of disintegration of relations began after the creation of Isreal. Left oriented dictators saw the creation of Isreal as well as the Cold War as a means of manipulating thier populations in order to stay in power. Nobody can argue that Nasser, Assad, King Hussein of Jordan, were motivated by thier religion, but they were the early troublemakers. Niether can one argue that Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat were not motivated more by self enrichment and accumulation of power.
    We remain compatible with the Islamic populations of the Phillipines, which is considerable, Indonesia, which is the most populus Islamic nation on earth, as well as those nations in the Southeast Asia and the South Seas and the Baltic nations of Eastern Europe which consitute the greaterrm portion of the Islamic population of the planet.
    But those are the nations where the leaders and/or political systems do facilitate the use of religion to incite hatreds among the population.
    Defining the problem includes recognizing all facets and, in this case, populations and sects that compose the overly broad term “Islam.” I only want to fight the ones that are truly the problem, rather than incite those with whom we do not by condemning the entire religion.

  97. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But those are the nations where the leaders and/or political systems do NOT facilitate the use of religion to incite hatreds among the population.

  98. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But those are the nations where the leaders and/or political systems do NOT facilitate the use of religion to incite hatreds among the population.

  99. duhmoose Avatar
    duhmoose

    Sarge, this past Sunday we had the head of Campus Crusade for Christ in Albania at our church. He gave a talk on how to reach Muslims with a Gospel message. Since he is a former Muslim, lives in a primarily Muslim nation and works almost exclusively with Muslims in Albania, Turkey and many of the former Soviet states, I think he might have some insight. He made two points that I think are germane, one is that in order for the practice of Islam to reach it’s proper fulfillment, it needs to be practiced in a state of Islamic government. While I do not think requiring a theocracy is necessarily incompatible with Western Culture, it does present problems with in currently Westernised society. Secondly, he stated that in his opinion and experience, what we consider radical Islam is much closer to mainline Islam as it is practiced world wide and is in more agreement with the Koran than what we consider Moderate Islam. That being said, we will never reach them with either Christ’s message or the benefits of a free society if we continue to discuss them as if they were sub human or claim they are any more sinful than we are. We can detest the actions that a portion of adherents to Islam take, but we must treat the individuals with love. To do otherwise is to become that which we are railing against.

  100. duhmoose Avatar
    duhmoose

    Sarge, this past Sunday we had the head of Campus Crusade for Christ in Albania at our church. He gave a talk on how to reach Muslims with a Gospel message. Since he is a former Muslim, lives in a primarily Muslim nation and works almost exclusively with Muslims in Albania, Turkey and many of the former Soviet states, I think he might have some insight. He made two points that I think are germane, one is that in order for the practice of Islam to reach it’s proper fulfillment, it needs to be practiced in a state of Islamic government. While I do not think requiring a theocracy is necessarily incompatible with Western Culture, it does present problems with in currently Westernised society. Secondly, he stated that in his opinion and experience, what we consider radical Islam is much closer to mainline Islam as it is practiced world wide and is in more agreement with the Koran than what we consider Moderate Islam. That being said, we will never reach them with either Christ’s message or the benefits of a free society if we continue to discuss them as if they were sub human or claim they are any more sinful than we are. We can detest the actions that a portion of adherents to Islam take, but we must treat the individuals with love. To do otherwise is to become that which we are railing against.

  101. Tedtam Avatar

    Sarge –

    I agree, not all Muslims are evil. However, I have seen the crowds and read the articles where Muslim populations, especially in Indonesia, call for a worldwide caliphate. Islam is incompatible with Christianity or any other religion. Whereas most religions allow for non-members to coexist, Islam has written into its core the religious duty to kill non-believers or to subject them to dhimmitude, in order to coerce them into the faith.

    Being coerced into joining a religion or staying in a religion is not what I would consider a sign of true faith. I consider a sign of a cult. Praising Allah only because of the threat of stoning or beheading is not faith, it is subjugation.

    I would welcome Islam openly if this urge to dominate others were not part of their code. While there may be peaceful Muslims, they have to ignore parts of their holy book in order to be so.

  102. Tedtam Avatar

    Sarge –
    I agree, not all Muslims are evil. However, I have seen the crowds and read the articles where Muslim populations, especially in Indonesia, call for a worldwide caliphate. Islam is incompatible with Christianity or any other religion. Whereas most religions allow for non-members to coexist, Islam has written into its core the religious duty to kill non-believers or to subject them to dhimmitude, in order to coerce them into the faith.
    Being coerced into joining a religion or staying in a religion is not what I would consider a sign of true faith. I consider a sign of a cult. Praising Allah only because of the threat of stoning or beheading is not faith, it is subjugation.
    I would welcome Islam openly if this urge to dominate others were not part of their code. While there may be peaceful Muslims, they have to ignore parts of their holy book in order to be so.

  103. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    So;

    Lets have an example of how a political leader can use religious differences in order to gain or maintain power—one who used the concept that “Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization”:

    A key factor in incitement of ethnic hatreds, first in Serbia, and later in Croatia, was a media under the thumb of the political leaders. This psychological conditioning disguised the conflict in civil and ethnic terms by using the supreme alibi, namely the impossibility of the people of the former Yugoslavia to live together on the same territory. But it also awakened that barbarity which sleeps in all of us, and pushed the people to commit these massive atrocities.

    snip

    From the very beginning of the conflict, terror was the method used to separate the communities. The violations of international humanitarian law testify to the determination to reach this goal. Bombardments of the civilian population, first of Sarajevo, then of besieged villages; massacres during the conquest, then the forced evacuation of civilians to modify the ethnic structure of the particular area; illegal internment of the civilian population in concentration camps; torture; systematic rape; summary executions; appropriation and pillage of civilian property; systematic destruction of the cultural and religious heritage with the sole aim of eliminating any trace of non-Serbs in the conquered territories; using detainees as human shields on front lines and in minefields; and starvation of civilians who resisted—these were only some of the violations of international humanitarian law and the laws of war of which the Serbs were guilty.

    Violence breeds violence. In 1993, emboldened by Milosevic’s campaign of terror against the Muslims and the Western powers’ consistent denial that genocide had taken place, the Croats entered the war against their former Muslim allies, using many of the same methods as the Serbs—terror, deportations, concentration camps, indiscriminate bombardments of civilians, massacres, the blocking of humanitarian aid, destruction of religious shrines, and appropriation of property.

  104. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    So;
    Lets have an example of how a political leader can use religious differences in order to gain or maintain power—one who used the concept that “Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization”:
    A key factor in incitement of ethnic hatreds, first in Serbia, and later in Croatia, was a media under the thumb of the political leaders. This psychological conditioning disguised the conflict in civil and ethnic terms by using the supreme alibi, namely the impossibility of the people of the former Yugoslavia to live together on the same territory. But it also awakened that barbarity which sleeps in all of us, and pushed the people to commit these massive atrocities.
    snip
    From the very beginning of the conflict, terror was the method used to separate the communities. The violations of international humanitarian law testify to the determination to reach this goal. Bombardments of the civilian population, first of Sarajevo, then of besieged villages; massacres during the conquest, then the forced evacuation of civilians to modify the ethnic structure of the particular area; illegal internment of the civilian population in concentration camps; torture; systematic rape; summary executions; appropriation and pillage of civilian property; systematic destruction of the cultural and religious heritage with the sole aim of eliminating any trace of non-Serbs in the conquered territories; using detainees as human shields on front lines and in minefields; and starvation of civilians who resisted—these were only some of the violations of international humanitarian law and the laws of war of which the Serbs were guilty.
    Violence breeds violence. In 1993, emboldened by Milosevic’s campaign of terror against the Muslims and the Western powers’ consistent denial that genocide had taken place, the Croats entered the war against their former Muslim allies, using many of the same methods as the Serbs—terror, deportations, concentration camps, indiscriminate bombardments of civilians, massacres, the blocking of humanitarian aid, destruction of religious shrines, and appropriation of property.

  105. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    TT;

    When the voices of hatred, on either side, come to the fore then “that barbarity which sleeps in all of us” is awakend and we turn our back on the message of Love brought to us by the Lord.

    As recently as 20 years ago, Christians visited atrocities on Muslims using “incompatibility” as an excuse for thier actions.

    He who is without sin may cast the first stone.

  106. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    TT;
    When the voices of hatred, on either side, come to the fore then “that barbarity which sleeps in all of us” is awakend and we turn our back on the message of Love brought to us by the Lord.
    As recently as 20 years ago, Christians visited atrocities on Muslims using “incompatibility” as an excuse for thier actions.
    He who is without sin may cast the first stone.

  107. Katfish Avatar

    What do Florida & Texas have in common?

    Apparently, their religion.

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    What do Florida & Texas have in common?
    Apparently, their religion.

  109. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I can assure you that Indonesia and the Phillippines should not be classified as Christian-friendly.
    Check out Persecution.com for starters…

  110. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    I can assure you that Indonesia and the Phillippines should not be classified as Christian-friendly.
    Check out Persecution.com for starters…

  111. Katfish Avatar

    The Obama Administration has gotten so tied in knots in its foreign policy that it has been forced to adopt a policy it has openly detested, then immediately condemn itself over it.

    Really.

    Last Friday’s UN Security Council vote was a case in point. On the one hand, the US vetoed a Lebanese-sponsored resolution that criminalized Israel’s policy of permitting Jews to exercise their property rights in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. On the other, after vetoing the resolution, US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned their own actions and explained why what they did was wrong.

    Must be that new diplomacy I’ve been hearing about.

  112. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The Obama Administration has gotten so tied in knots in its foreign policy that it has been forced to adopt a policy it has openly detested, then immediately condemn itself over it.
    Really.

    Last Friday’s UN Security Council vote was a case in point. On the one hand, the US vetoed a Lebanese-sponsored resolution that criminalized Israel’s policy of permitting Jews to exercise their property rights in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. On the other, after vetoing the resolution, US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned their own actions and explained why what they did was wrong.

    Must be that new diplomacy I’ve been hearing about.

  113. Tedtam Avatar

    #56 Sarge

    I agree. But given the circumstances today, Islam is a greater threat to world peace than Christianity.

    I wish that we could select those peaceful people of whatever faith and honor them. I pray that those with evil in their hearts could see the error of their ways. But since those with evil in their hearts masquerade often as those of peace, it is difficult to trust. And that goes for any faith, any country, or any group of people who wish harm on others.

    If I could force the Ten Commandments on the world, we wouldn’t have these problems. But I can’t. Even if I could, I’d be in the same position as I stated earlier – subjugation instead of calling to true faith. So, until Jesus returns and fixes things, we must deal in a realistic manner with those who wish us harm.

  114. Tedtam Avatar

    #56 Sarge
    I agree. But given the circumstances today, Islam is a greater threat to world peace than Christianity.
    I wish that we could select those peaceful people of whatever faith and honor them. I pray that those with evil in their hearts could see the error of their ways. But since those with evil in their hearts masquerade often as those of peace, it is difficult to trust. And that goes for any faith, any country, or any group of people who wish harm on others.
    If I could force the Ten Commandments on the world, we wouldn’t have these problems. But I can’t. Even if I could, I’d be in the same position as I stated earlier – subjugation instead of calling to true faith. So, until Jesus returns and fixes things, we must deal in a realistic manner with those who wish us harm.

  115. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    #56 Sarge

    I agree. But given the circumstances today, Islam is a greater threat to world peace than Christianity.

    Again

    The greater portion of those who profess the Islamic faith live in Southeast Asia, South Seas, and Eastern Europe. There is little threat to world peace from these populations.

    The greater threat comes from Arabs who have lived under despots supported by one Superpower or another for the last 65 years.

    The greater threat comes from the possibility of Pan-Arabic hegemony.

    I will ask these questions once again:

    What is the solution? What do we need to do? What does that look like?

    Nobody here has ever answered those questions—they merely come here and tell us how unspeakably bad these people are, but provide us with no actual solution.

    And that might be because they are afraid of saying what is actually on thier mind—because they know just how much it will make them look like thier enemy.

  116. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    #56 Sarge
    I agree. But given the circumstances today, Islam is a greater threat to world peace than Christianity.

    Again
    The greater portion of those who profess the Islamic faith live in Southeast Asia, South Seas, and Eastern Europe. There is little threat to world peace from these populations.
    The greater threat comes from Arabs who have lived under despots supported by one Superpower or another for the last 65 years.
    The greater threat comes from the possibility of Pan-Arabic hegemony.
    I will ask these questions once again:
    What is the solution? What do we need to do? What does that look like?
    Nobody here has ever answered those questions—they merely come here and tell us how unspeakably bad these people are, but provide us with no actual solution.
    And that might be because they are afraid of saying what is actually on thier mind—because they know just how much it will make them look like thier enemy.

  117. Tedtam Avatar

    I don’t know what the solution is, Sarge.

    Except that we have to be vigilant and protect ourselves. We can love them, we can be patient with them, but there are those who want to kill us simply because we are not them.

    I’m not saying wipe them out or any such thing. I have no fear of looking like them.

    I just wish that they were truly free to practice whatever faith they want. I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Unfortunately, there’s a sword waiting for those who go apostate.

    And I think there’s more going on in Indonesia than you think.

  118. Tedtam Avatar

    I don’t know what the solution is, Sarge.
    Except that we have to be vigilant and protect ourselves. We can love them, we can be patient with them, but there are those who want to kill us simply because we are not them.
    I’m not saying wipe them out or any such thing. I have no fear of looking like them.
    I just wish that they were truly free to practice whatever faith they want. I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Unfortunately, there’s a sword waiting for those who go apostate.
    And I think there’s more going on in Indonesia than you think.

  119. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’m not saying wipe them out or any such thing. I have no fear of looking like them.

    You’re not the one I’m directing my questions or comments towards. You view is one I respect because you DO refrain from the exaggerated and ill informed rhetoric of others here.

    I want THEM to tell, me what the solution is—because they seem to be claiming some special knowledge that will qualify them to give it.

  120. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’m not saying wipe them out or any such thing. I have no fear of looking like them.

    You’re not the one I’m directing my questions or comments towards. You view is one I respect because you DO refrain from the exaggerated and ill informed rhetoric of others here.
    I want THEM to tell, me what the solution is—because they seem to be claiming some special knowledge that will qualify them to give it.

  121. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What are we not doing now that should be done?

  122. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What are we not doing now that should be done?

  123. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Cognitive dissonance2 = (being a birther) * (thinking people will vote for you because you’re a birther)

  124. bob42 Avatar

    Cognitive dissonance2 = (being a birther) * (thinking people will vote for you because you’re a birther)

  125. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Hmmm, so maybe the superscript tag doesn’t work within a linkie? (whatever…)

    The above was intended to read, “cognitive dissonance squared.”

  126. bob42 Avatar

    Hmmm, so maybe the superscript tag doesn’t work within a linkie? (whatever…)
    The above was intended to read, “cognitive dissonance squared.”

  127. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    We’re damn near bankrupt. The world is going up in flames. States are going bankrupt.

    Bob wants to talk about birthers.

    So does MSNBC.

  128. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    We’re damn near bankrupt. The world is going up in flames. States are going bankrupt.
    Bob wants to talk about birthers.
    So does MSNBC.

  129. Tedtam Avatar

    I know it’s strange, but I woke up this morning thinking “I want to dig.” I have this huge mound of dirt in the back yard that may take me 20 years to move, but I get some physical exercise as well as some sense of control of my life by taking it on. I can feel productive while I’m working out, and I’m slowly improving my surroundings. Hubby gets exasperated because he can move it with his backhoe more quickly than I can with my shovel and pint-sized cart, but I have yet to see any large hydraulic-type equipment touching the mount in the last year or so.

    The clay made for hard digging. It still has enough moisture to make it sticky and heavy. I moved about ten loads this morning and relocated the dirt to some low spots in the yard. I also found about seven grubs, a pupae of some sort, a snake (which freaked me out and I threw it into the grass instead of saving it with the grubs), a cricket (which got away), a dark beetle, and another beetle with some orange markings. These all went into a container with some dirt in it. I also found a live yellow jacket which I missed with the shovel but which, thankfully, didn’t take the attack personally and left me alone.

    I then took two lemons from my tree, the chicken feed I had collected, and went to visit my sister. She gratefully took my very ripe and fresh smelling lemons, gave me a dozen eggs, and we went to feed her chickens. She gets so delighted over her chickens, it makes me happy to see her happy when her chickens are happy.

    My arms, back, legs, and torso are sore, but it’s a good kind of sore. I have cheered up my sis. I have a dozen fresh eggs (which I’m sure Handsome will mow through like Sherman through Atlanta). And I have reduced my future June bug population now by about forty of those buggers.

    It was a good morning.

  130. Tedtam Avatar

    I know it’s strange, but I woke up this morning thinking “I want to dig.” I have this huge mound of dirt in the back yard that may take me 20 years to move, but I get some physical exercise as well as some sense of control of my life by taking it on. I can feel productive while I’m working out, and I’m slowly improving my surroundings. Hubby gets exasperated because he can move it with his backhoe more quickly than I can with my shovel and pint-sized cart, but I have yet to see any large hydraulic-type equipment touching the mount in the last year or so.
    The clay made for hard digging. It still has enough moisture to make it sticky and heavy. I moved about ten loads this morning and relocated the dirt to some low spots in the yard. I also found about seven grubs, a pupae of some sort, a snake (which freaked me out and I threw it into the grass instead of saving it with the grubs), a cricket (which got away), a dark beetle, and another beetle with some orange markings. These all went into a container with some dirt in it. I also found a live yellow jacket which I missed with the shovel but which, thankfully, didn’t take the attack personally and left me alone.
    I then took two lemons from my tree, the chicken feed I had collected, and went to visit my sister. She gratefully took my very ripe and fresh smelling lemons, gave me a dozen eggs, and we went to feed her chickens. She gets so delighted over her chickens, it makes me happy to see her happy when her chickens are happy.
    My arms, back, legs, and torso are sore, but it’s a good kind of sore. I have cheered up my sis. I have a dozen fresh eggs (which I’m sure Handsome will mow through like Sherman through Atlanta). And I have reduced my future June bug population now by about forty of those buggers.
    It was a good morning.

  131. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Tell ya what Sargie, you write about whatever you like, and I’ll do the same. Mmmmkay?

  132. bob42 Avatar

    Tell ya what Sargie, you write about whatever you like, and I’ll do the same. Mmmmkay?

  133. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Tell ya what Sargie, you write about whatever you like, and I’ll do the same. Mmmmkay?

    Mmmmkay–

    Here’s what i have to say:

    We’re damn near bankrupt. The world is going up in flames. States are going bankrupt.

    Bob wants to talk about birthers.

    So does MSNBC.

  134. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Tell ya what Sargie, you write about whatever you like, and I’ll do the same. Mmmmkay?

    Mmmmkay–
    Here’s what i have to say:

    We’re damn near bankrupt. The world is going up in flames. States are going bankrupt.
    Bob wants to talk about birthers.
    So does MSNBC.

  135. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But hey

    Stuff like this isn’t anywhere near as important as talking about birthers.

    Sales of new single-family houses in January 2011 were at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 284,000, according to estimates released jointly today by the U.S. Census Bureau and the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This is 12.6 percent (±11.2%) below the revised December rate of 325,000 and is 18.6 percent (±15.4%) below the January 2010 estimate of 349,000.

    Dang, where is my head at today? I just can’t seem to see the real IMPORTANT things going on.

    A man’s GOT to understand what the priorites are.

  136. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    But hey
    Stuff like this isn’t anywhere near as important as talking about birthers.

    Sales of new single-family houses in January 2011 were at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 284,000, according to estimates released jointly today by the U.S. Census Bureau and the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This is 12.6 percent (±11.2%) below the revised December rate of 325,000 and is 18.6 percent (±15.4%) below the January 2010 estimate of 349,000.

    Dang, where is my head at today? I just can’t seem to see the real IMPORTANT things going on.
    A man’s GOT to understand what the priorites are.

  137. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Sarge, you’re free to criticize others for what they write all you like. I don’t care. My opinion is that it makes appear foolish and bullish. And that’s sad, because I’m in agreement with much of what you typed here today.

  138. bob42 Avatar

    Sarge, you’re free to criticize others for what they write all you like. I don’t care. My opinion is that it makes appear foolish and bullish. And that’s sad, because I’m in agreement with much of what you typed here today.

  139. Tedtam Avatar

    #72 Sarge

    You left a word out: “unexpectedly”.

  140. Tedtam Avatar

    #72 Sarge
    You left a word out: “unexpectedly”.

  141. Katfish Avatar

    You’re not the one I’m directing my questions or comments towards. You view is one I respect because you DO refrain from the exaggerated and ill informed rhetoric of others here.

    I want THEM to tell, me what the solution is—because they seem to be claiming some special knowledge that will qualify them to give it.

    I have no idea what the solution is. You are likely correct when you say that a big part of the problem is due to the Arab culture, although there remains much sectarian violence perpetrated against Christians by Muslims in the general SE Asia region.

    I know generalization is risky, but in general predominantly Muslim areas tend to have more violence. Arabic areas are obvious, but this is also the case in the Caucasus (Chechens), Persia, the ‘Stans (start with Pakistan and head north several hundred miles. I don’t know if there’s a common thread through the cultures of these areas that would cause them to be predisposed toward violence and/or to what extent Islam plays a role. Persia was once a highly-developed and peaceful culture, then the Shah took over, etc.

    Maybe the revolutionary wave sweeping through the southern and eastern Mediterranean basin will bring in some governments that are more conducive to developing more peaceful populations. Who knows? I do know that our current administration is completely and utterly incapable of doing anything there that will help the locals while advancing our interests as well.

    Is that better?

  142. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    You’re not the one I’m directing my questions or comments towards. You view is one I respect because you DO refrain from the exaggerated and ill informed rhetoric of others here.
    I want THEM to tell, me what the solution is—because they seem to be claiming some special knowledge that will qualify them to give it.

    I have no idea what the solution is. You are likely correct when you say that a big part of the problem is due to the Arab culture, although there remains much sectarian violence perpetrated against Christians by Muslims in the general SE Asia region.
    I know generalization is risky, but in general predominantly Muslim areas tend to have more violence. Arabic areas are obvious, but this is also the case in the Caucasus (Chechens), Persia, the ‘Stans (start with Pakistan and head north several hundred miles. I don’t know if there’s a common thread through the cultures of these areas that would cause them to be predisposed toward violence and/or to what extent Islam plays a role. Persia was once a highly-developed and peaceful culture, then the Shah took over, etc.
    Maybe the revolutionary wave sweeping through the southern and eastern Mediterranean basin will bring in some governments that are more conducive to developing more peaceful populations. Who knows? I do know that our current administration is completely and utterly incapable of doing anything there that will help the locals while advancing our interests as well.
    Is that better?

  143. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    “She gets so delighted over her chickens,”

    We had chickens for a while….or I should say Mrs. Shannon did. She deliberately got some to help overcome some phobia she had and ended up delighting in them.

    I personally think the trade-off of actually having chickens around so you can have fresh eggs is dubious at best.

    The final straw was when I had to slaughter and clean a bunch of roosters for a chicken stew.

    Raising chickens is for the birds.

  144. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    “She gets so delighted over her chickens,”
    We had chickens for a while….or I should say Mrs. Shannon did. She deliberately got some to help overcome some phobia she had and ended up delighting in them.
    I personally think the trade-off of actually having chickens around so you can have fresh eggs is dubious at best.
    The final straw was when I had to slaughter and clean a bunch of roosters for a chicken stew.
    Raising chickens is for the birds.

  145. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK The last one;
    Texas
    The Sheriff pulled up next to the guy unloading garbage out of his pick-up into the ditch.
    The Sheriff asked, “Why are you dumping garbage in the ditch? Don’t you see that sign right over your head.”
    “Yep”, he replied. “That’s why I’m dumpin’ it here, cause it says:
    ‘Fine For Dumping Garbage’.”

  146. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK The last one;
    Texas
    The Sheriff pulled up next to the guy unloading garbage out of his pick-up into the ditch.
    The Sheriff asked, “Why are you dumping garbage in the ditch? Don’t you see that sign right over your head.”
    “Yep”, he replied. “That’s why I’m dumpin’ it here, cause it says:
    ‘Fine For Dumping Garbage’.”

  147. Tedtam Avatar

    #76 Shannon

    I don’t think I could slaughter them. When I was young, I had brothers who would do this for the family. The eggs would be nice, they are fun to watch, and – best of all – they eat bugs!

  148. Tedtam Avatar

    #76 Shannon
    I don’t think I could slaughter them. When I was young, I had brothers who would do this for the family. The eggs would be nice, they are fun to watch, and – best of all – they eat bugs!

  149. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Headline of the day: Harry Reid Couldn’t Get Laid in a Monkey Whorehouse with a Fistful of Bananas

    “I will lie down for a lot of things, but Senator Reid is not one of them,” said Brooke Taylor, a five-year veteran working girl at the Moonlite Bunny Ranch just outside Carson City.

  150. bob42 Avatar

    Headline of the day: Harry Reid Couldn’t Get Laid in a Monkey Whorehouse with a Fistful of Bananas

    “I will lie down for a lot of things, but Senator Reid is not one of them,” said Brooke Taylor, a five-year veteran working girl at the Moonlite Bunny Ranch just outside Carson City.

  151. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I know generalization is risky, but in general predominantly Muslim areas tend to have more violence. Arabic areas are obvious, but this is also the case in the Caucasus (Chechens), Persia, the ‘Stans (start with Pakistan and head north several hundred miles. I don’t know if there’s a common thread through the cultures of these areas that would cause them to be predisposed toward violence and/or to what extent Islam plays a role.

    There is a nation on our southern border that is experiencing violence of a scale not seen in 100 years. Nations to the south of them are experiencing similar violence. That violence is being exported across our border into this country and represents a proximate threat to citizens here. All of these nations are predominently Catholic, yet nobody here would lay the blame at the feet of that religion, nor would they suggest that Hispanic Catholics are as prone to violence as they claim Arabc Muslims are.
    The war crimes visited on muslims in Boznia-Herzegovina are overshadowed only by those committed by the Third Riech in the middle part of the last century. Up until THAT time, the worst genocide was visited on muslims in the same region just before the First World War. These nations were ethincially mixed, and predominently Christian.
    There are commonalities that exist between those regions and all of the regions you list:
    1. Extreme poverty
    2. Autocratic government or barely functioning democracy.
    3. Lack of Education.
    This is not to say that there are not problems with the Islamic religion but, as the events of 20, 65, and 95 years ago exhibit, nobody is exempt from perpetrating unspeakable acts when their political leaders manipulate them. This is the biggest problem we have with the current unrest. Is this a genuine yearning for Liberty that can establish peace loving nations, or will it be usurped by a highly organized and well funded minority in the same way the Russian Revolution was usurped by the Bolsheviks?

  152. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Tedtam wrote

    I just wish that they were truly free to practice whatever faith they want. I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Unfortunately, there’s a sword waiting for those who go apostate.

    There is a college of mine who is a fellow expat from one of our other US offices. He is Moroccan by birth, but has spent the past 25 plus years in the US. There is definitely something to the forced cultural aspect of a quasi theocracy. This expat college told me that he was not really a practicing Muslim anymore. Last year during Ramadan he resented the fact that he had to fast during the day. He resented the fact that our local colleges asked him about his praying practices. He had to swallow his pride and go back into “group think” mode in order to fit in during the month long fast.

    Despite the overbearing cultural and religious callings to fit in, I do not think you can throw all Muslims into the “We are going to kill you because you are not us” category. I personally have more problems and issues (here in Morocco) that derive from the French, socialist, bureaucratic influences than I do the Muslim faith. I have a nanny that lives under my roof who is a practicing Muslim. I deal with her prayers and she deals with mine. I also have a maid who gladly takes my money every week. I asked the guy who drives for the family next door to wash one of my cars tomorrow while I am at work. I asked him how much and he wanted to do it for free. My point is that there ARE good Muslims in the world who do not want to set the world ablaze to convert every last person.

    I am not really concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood or Arab/Muslim hegemony arising our of these uprisings in Africa and the Middle East. I see these uprisings borne out of a desire by ordinary people to live FREE. I do not see these people willing to topple one form of dictator just to turn around and accept a theocratic dictator that imposes Sharia Law a la the Taliban.

  153. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Tedtam wrote

    I just wish that they were truly free to practice whatever faith they want. I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Unfortunately, there’s a sword waiting for those who go apostate.

    There is a college of mine who is a fellow expat from one of our other US offices. He is Moroccan by birth, but has spent the past 25 plus years in the US. There is definitely something to the forced cultural aspect of a quasi theocracy. This expat college told me that he was not really a practicing Muslim anymore. Last year during Ramadan he resented the fact that he had to fast during the day. He resented the fact that our local colleges asked him about his praying practices. He had to swallow his pride and go back into “group think” mode in order to fit in during the month long fast.
    Despite the overbearing cultural and religious callings to fit in, I do not think you can throw all Muslims into the “We are going to kill you because you are not us” category. I personally have more problems and issues (here in Morocco) that derive from the French, socialist, bureaucratic influences than I do the Muslim faith. I have a nanny that lives under my roof who is a practicing Muslim. I deal with her prayers and she deals with mine. I also have a maid who gladly takes my money every week. I asked the guy who drives for the family next door to wash one of my cars tomorrow while I am at work. I asked him how much and he wanted to do it for free. My point is that there ARE good Muslims in the world who do not want to set the world ablaze to convert every last person.
    I am not really concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood or Arab/Muslim hegemony arising our of these uprisings in Africa and the Middle East. I see these uprisings borne out of a desire by ordinary people to live FREE. I do not see these people willing to topple one form of dictator just to turn around and accept a theocratic dictator that imposes Sharia Law a la the Taliban.

  154. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    …And to lighten things up a bit.

    The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.”

    Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even”A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.

    Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.”

    The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

    The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.”They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

    The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

    Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”

    The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”

    Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .

    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

    Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is canceled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

  155. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    …And to lighten things up a bit.
    The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.”
    Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even”A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.
    Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.”
    The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
    The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.”They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
    The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.
    Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”
    The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”
    Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .
    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
    Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is canceled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

  156. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    What happened to the joke that was supposed to be in #82?

  157. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    What happened to the joke that was supposed to be in #82?

  158. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Cats, birds or liberals. I can appreciate the unique beauty of each.

    I just don’t want to live with one. 🙂

  159. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Cats, birds or liberals. I can appreciate the unique beauty of each.
    I just don’t want to live with one. 🙂

  160. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge, you’re free to criticize others for what they write all you like. I don’t care. My opinion is that it makes appear foolish and bullish

    So says the guy who’s main topics of conversation are dope smokin, butt wissin, and birfers.

  161. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge, you’re free to criticize others for what they write all you like. I don’t care. My opinion is that it makes appear foolish and bullish

    So says the guy who’s main topics of conversation are dope smokin, butt wissin, and birfers.

  162. Tedtam Avatar

    #81 Texmo

    I see these uprisings borne out of a desire by ordinary people to live FREE. I do not see these people willing to topple one form of dictator just to turn around and accept a theocratic dictator that imposes Sharia Law a la the Taliban.

    From your lips to God’s ears.

  163. Tedtam Avatar

    #81 Texmo

    I see these uprisings borne out of a desire by ordinary people to live FREE. I do not see these people willing to topple one form of dictator just to turn around and accept a theocratic dictator that imposes Sharia Law a la the Taliban.

    From your lips to God’s ears.

  164. SC Avatar
    SC

    Per Drudge an unconfirmed rumor that Gadaffi shot.

  165. SC Avatar
    SC

    Per Drudge an unconfirmed rumor that Gadaffi shot.

  166. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Quadaffi not commenting.

  167. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Quadaffi not commenting.

  168. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I am not really concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood or Arab/Muslim hegemony arising our of these uprisings in Africa and the Middle East. I see these uprisings borne out of a desire by ordinary people to live FREE. I do not see these people willing to topple one form of dictator just to turn around and accept a theocratic dictator that imposes Sharia Law a la the Taliban.

    One can hope.
    But the Bolsehviks were espousing a philosophy that wasn’t all that much different—they just put the State where the Religion goes—and they were able to co-opt a popular revolution that was based on Democracy and Human Rights. They were able to do that because they were highly organized and relatively well financed, as is the Brotherhood.

  169. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    We’ll have the “hole” story with live coverage at six.

  170. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    We’ll have the “hole” story with live coverage at six.

  171. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #82 texmo
    😆

  172. Katfish Avatar

    #82 texmo
    The United States has increased its alert level from “Would you people please keep it down” to “Stop, or we’ll apply economic sanctions”. Three more escalation levels remain: “Stop, or we’ll apply more economic sanctions”, “Move over, we’re coming through”, and “Don’t make us go all 1945 on you”.

  173. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #82 texmo
    The United States has increased its alert level from “Would you people please keep it down” to “Stop, or we’ll apply economic sanctions”. Three more escalation levels remain: “Stop, or we’ll apply more economic sanctions”, “Move over, we’re coming through”, and “Don’t make us go all 1945 on you”.

  174. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    …….can’t think and comment coherently…

    ….anymore….

    …Mrs. TexMo put on a belly dancing workout video….

    …must supervise 🙂

  175. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    …….can’t think and comment coherently…
    ….anymore….
    …Mrs. TexMo put on a belly dancing workout video….
    …must supervise 🙂

  176. Katfish Avatar

    #88 texanukian
    Kadafy’s condition upgraded to “alive”?

  177. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #88 texanukian
    Kadafy’s condition upgraded to “alive”?

  178. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Since the first oil embargo in the 70’s we have lived through the Peanut Farmer, The Great Communicator, Two Bushes (with The Philanderer in between), and any number of worthless Senators and Congressmen.

    We’re still sitting here greatly dependent on foreign sources of oil.

    It’s a #*!~%,”/€ outrage.

  179. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Since the first oil embargo in the 70’s we have lived through the Peanut Farmer, The Great Communicator, Two Bushes (with The Philanderer in between), and any number of worthless Senators and Congressmen.
    We’re still sitting here greatly dependent on foreign sources of oil.
    It’s a #*!~%,”/€ outrage.

  180. Katfish Avatar

    We’re still sitting here greatly dependent on foreign sources of oil.

    Because it would take ten years for any new oil to get to the customers.

    At least that’s what they’ve been telling us for the past 30 or 40 years.

  181. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    We’re still sitting here greatly dependent on foreign sources of oil.

    Because it would take ten years for any new oil to get to the customers.
    At least that’s what they’ve been telling us for the past 30 or 40 years.

  182. El Gordo Avatar

    #96,

    Amen. And we’ve been yammered at the whole time about alternative energy. The rainbow farting unicorn is long in the tooth.

  183. Dude42 Avatar

    #96,
    Amen. And we’ve been yammered at the whole time about alternative energy. The rainbow farting unicorn is long in the tooth.

  184. SC Avatar
    SC

    And now we are turning food into fuel and raising the price of tacos and chicken feed and third worlders are starving. Sheesh

  185. SC Avatar
    SC

    And now we are turning food into fuel and raising the price of tacos and chicken feed and third worlders are starving. Sheesh

  186. Hamous Avatar

    Sarge: I have not been avoiding you, I have been away from the computin iron. An enormous difference between the violence in the predominantly Catholic countries and the violence at the hands of the moooooslims. . . .the violence i the Catholic countries is NOT done in the name of the pope or Catholocism or The Messiah or whatever, the violence done at the hands of the mooooslims is almost ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED BY aLLAHU AKHBAR. The violence done by the moooooslims is in the name of their god. Just for information sake: allahu akhbar means ‘our god is greater’ not god is great. That is one of the many lies perpetrated to cleanse the filth of islam.
    Are all moooslims evil scum . . . .NO of course not. No people group that can be defined is monolithic. The problem is that the mooslim faith dictates that sharia law rule the earth and there is no tolerance for other faiths. Do all moooslims act accordingly. . . .no, but the underlying problem remains, they are the intolerant ones who refuse to live and let live.
    As far as the eastern European mooooslims, the history you have quoted is extremely slanted; the serbs were responding to the moooslims burning churches and murdering non-moooslims. That significant detail is usually left out by the mooooslim apologists. The Ruskies have had their problems with the mooooslims as well, remember the elementary school that was invaded by those “peace lovers” in Chechnia, they wound up killing a bunch of innocent children to make a point.
    While there may be far more moooslims in southeast asia, the center of the mooslim world is still the middle east. IF you want to ignore the reality of tolerance that does not exist under mooooslim rule, I can’t help you. Look at the birthplace of islam, Saudi Arabia; possession of a Bible is a death penalty offence there. IF a mooooslim leaves the faith, he is an apostate and his own family is ‘honor bound’ to kill him if they can. Anyone who successfully converts a mooooslim away from islam is in danger of being hunted down. Can you name another religion anywhere where that is the case?
    Do I relish the thought of a bloodbath and massive slaughter of mooooslims. . . . .HELL NO! The next question is very important, do I think that our survival will ultimately depend on just that kind of bloodshed . . . .unfortunately, yes as they will force it on us. I do not look forward to that ultimate reality, but I am trying to prepare for it and you should as well or it will cost you your life and the lives of all your family members.

  187. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Sarge: I have not been avoiding you, I have been away from the computin iron. An enormous difference between the violence in the predominantly Catholic countries and the violence at the hands of the moooooslims. . . .the violence i the Catholic countries is NOT done in the name of the pope or Catholocism or The Messiah or whatever, the violence done at the hands of the mooooslims is almost ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED BY aLLAHU AKHBAR. The violence done by the moooooslims is in the name of their god. Just for information sake: allahu akhbar means ‘our god is greater’ not god is great. That is one of the many lies perpetrated to cleanse the filth of islam.
    Are all moooslims evil scum . . . .NO of course not. No people group that can be defined is monolithic. The problem is that the mooslim faith dictates that sharia law rule the earth and there is no tolerance for other faiths. Do all moooslims act accordingly. . . .no, but the underlying problem remains, they are the intolerant ones who refuse to live and let live.
    As far as the eastern European mooooslims, the history you have quoted is extremely slanted; the serbs were responding to the moooslims burning churches and murdering non-moooslims. That significant detail is usually left out by the mooooslim apologists. The Ruskies have had their problems with the mooooslims as well, remember the elementary school that was invaded by those “peace lovers” in Chechnia, they wound up killing a bunch of innocent children to make a point.
    While there may be far more moooslims in southeast asia, the center of the mooslim world is still the middle east. IF you want to ignore the reality of tolerance that does not exist under mooooslim rule, I can’t help you. Look at the birthplace of islam, Saudi Arabia; possession of a Bible is a death penalty offence there. IF a mooooslim leaves the faith, he is an apostate and his own family is ‘honor bound’ to kill him if they can. Anyone who successfully converts a mooooslim away from islam is in danger of being hunted down. Can you name another religion anywhere where that is the case?
    Do I relish the thought of a bloodbath and massive slaughter of mooooslims. . . . .HELL NO! The next question is very important, do I think that our survival will ultimately depend on just that kind of bloodshed . . . .unfortunately, yes as they will force it on us. I do not look forward to that ultimate reality, but I am trying to prepare for it and you should as well or it will cost you your life and the lives of all your family members.

  188. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Hey Tex Mo–

    Talk to bonecrusher will ya?

    He thinks he knows more about how muslims act than a guy who lives there does.

    and no. Slobodon Milosovik was not responding to muslim violence when he perpetrated the genocide that he was convicted of in War Crimes trials.

    If that was any kind of defense at all, he never would have been convicted.

  189. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Hey Tex Mo–
    Talk to bonecrusher will ya?
    He thinks he knows more about how muslims act than a guy who lives there does.
    and no. Slobodon Milosovik was not responding to muslim violence when he perpetrated the genocide that he was convicted of in War Crimes trials.
    If that was any kind of defense at all, he never would have been convicted.

  190. Hamous Avatar

    Sarge: Take a look HERE for a different perspective. The principal of this site lived in Lebanon and did not have the luxury of living in a protected expat compound. The other guy, Walid Shoebat was a palestenian terrorist who converted to Christianity; I trust what they have to say. The next time Brigitte Gabriel or Walid Shoebat come to town, I will do my best to let everyone know so we can all learn from an unfiltered, reliable source.

  191. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Sarge: Take a look HERE for a different perspective. The principal of this site lived in Lebanon and did not have the luxury of living in a protected expat compound. The other guy, Walid Shoebat was a palestenian terrorist who converted to Christianity; I trust what they have to say. The next time Brigitte Gabriel or Walid Shoebat come to town, I will do my best to let everyone know so we can all learn from an unfiltered, reliable source.

  192. Hamous Avatar

    If that was any kind of defense at all, he never would have been convicted.

    Are you saying there has never been a “railroading” in a court case, are you saying that Israel even gets in the same neighborhood of getting a fair shake in the UN???
    Israel gets hammered every time they respond to rocket attacks from Gaza; why is it that the response always generates the most vitriol instead of the original perpetrators? Slobo Milosevec was responding to muslim aggression; was it out of proportion perhaps but it was a response, not an unprovoked attack.

  193. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    If that was any kind of defense at all, he never would have been convicted.

    Are you saying there has never been a “railroading” in a court case, are you saying that Israel even gets in the same neighborhood of getting a fair shake in the UN???
    Israel gets hammered every time they respond to rocket attacks from Gaza; why is it that the response always generates the most vitriol instead of the original perpetrators? Slobo Milosevec was responding to muslim aggression; was it out of proportion perhaps but it was a response, not an unprovoked attack.

  194. El Gordo Avatar

    As a follow up to #96, it’s probably important to bear this data in mind when considering the effects of turmoil in the middle east on oil and gasoline prices. As you can see, the two largest sources of oil imported into the US are NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Even so, I still find it unacceptable that we are as reliant on foreign oil as we are. Number two in the import list explains a lot to me in terms of why we tolerate the importation of poverty (via illegal immigration) into the US from Mexico.

  195. Dude42 Avatar

    As a follow up to #96, it’s probably important to bear this data in mind when considering the effects of turmoil in the middle east on oil and gasoline prices. As you can see, the two largest sources of oil imported into the US are NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Even so, I still find it unacceptable that we are as reliant on foreign oil as we are. Number two in the import list explains a lot to me in terms of why we tolerate the importation of poverty (via illegal immigration) into the US from Mexico.

  196. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Try as you may Sarge, you cannot name a case in modern history where Christian clerics and recognized Christian leaders have advocated genocide upon non-believers, or universally stood by when their peers have done so.

  197. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Try as you may Sarge, you cannot name a case in modern history where Christian clerics and recognized Christian leaders have advocated genocide upon non-believers, or universally stood by when their peers have done so.

  198. Hamous Avatar

    Dooooooodesickle#42: Oil is basically a fungible product; it is globally traded and consumed. ANY DISRUPTION creates an imbalance in the supply/demand continuum. A decrease in the global supply of oil will cause an increase in the global price.

  199. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Dooooooodesickle#42: Oil is basically a fungible product; it is globally traded and consumed. ANY DISRUPTION creates an imbalance in the supply/demand continuum. A decrease in the global supply of oil will cause an increase in the global price.

  200. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    104 Dude
    Thanks for reminding me about that great site. I haven’t used it much since I left the freight business and got back in to moving a cheap (for now) commodity.

    I’m aware of our lessening dependence on ME oil, but as you know my frustration has more to do with self sufficiency in the the commodity that runs our nation and the world.

  201. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    104 Dude
    Thanks for reminding me about that great site. I haven’t used it much since I left the freight business and got back in to moving a cheap (for now) commodity.
    I’m aware of our lessening dependence on ME oil, but as you know my frustration has more to do with self sufficiency in the the commodity that runs our nation and the world.

  202. El Gordo Avatar

    #106,

    Understood completely. I work in the field. Like any commodity, trading price is disproportionately driven by emotion rather than logic.

    #107,

    I completely share your frustration with the situation. Politically we get nothing but lip service on a critical issue. As usual.

  203. Dude42 Avatar

    #106,
    Understood completely. I work in the field. Like any commodity, trading price is disproportionately driven by emotion rather than logic.
    #107,
    I completely share your frustration with the situation. Politically we get nothing but lip service on a critical issue. As usual.

  204. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Re: last Gaddafi pic:

    Is he related to Tommy Lee Jones?

  205. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Re: last Gaddafi pic:
    Is he related to Tommy Lee Jones?

  206. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    109
    Aw come on. Tommy Lee Jones hasn’t gotten that ugly, has he? His politics are despicable, but he played a helluva Capt. Call in Lonesome Dove.

    He used to ride polo ponies around here and seemed like a nice enough guy.

  207. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    109
    Aw come on. Tommy Lee Jones hasn’t gotten that ugly, has he? His politics are despicable, but he played a helluva Capt. Call in Lonesome Dove.
    He used to ride polo ponies around here and seemed like a nice enough guy.

  208. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Try as you may Sarge, you cannot name a case in modern history where Christian clerics and recognized Christian leaders have advocated genocide upon non-believers, or universally stood by when their peers have done so.

    One might come close when one examines the violence of several decades between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland.

    Listen–

    I am not saying that muslims, particularly Arabic muslims, are pristine of non-violent—-and have not made that case at all.

    What i am saying is that a good deal of the rehtoric, particularly that which tends to drive us toward the conclusion that inflicting mass casualties on muslims in general, is overblown and actually does damage towards our chances of victory without a third world war.

  209. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Try as you may Sarge, you cannot name a case in modern history where Christian clerics and recognized Christian leaders have advocated genocide upon non-believers, or universally stood by when their peers have done so.

    One might come close when one examines the violence of several decades between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland.
    Listen–
    I am not saying that muslims, particularly Arabic muslims, are pristine of non-violent—-and have not made that case at all.
    What i am saying is that a good deal of the rehtoric, particularly that which tends to drive us toward the conclusion that inflicting mass casualties on muslims in general, is overblown and actually does damage towards our chances of victory without a third world war.

  210. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Are you saying there has never been a “railroading” in a court case, are you saying that Israel even gets in the same neighborhood of getting a fair shake in the UN???

    You’re really reaching now, dude.

    Tryingv to make Milosovik look like a victim is proof that your particular line of reasoning towards muslims is overblown and ill informed.

  211. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Are you saying there has never been a “railroading” in a court case, are you saying that Israel even gets in the same neighborhood of getting a fair shake in the UN???

    You’re really reaching now, dude.
    Tryingv to make Milosovik look like a victim is proof that your particular line of reasoning towards muslims is overblown and ill informed.

  212. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What i am saying is that a good deal of the rehtoric, particularly that which tends to drive us toward the conclusion that inflicting mass casualties on muslims in general, is overblown and actually does damage towards our chances of victory without a third world war.

    Crappy sentence construction:

    What I am saying is that a good deal of the rhetoric, particularly that which tends to drive us toward the conclusion that inflicting mass casualties on muslims in general is the only and ultimate solution, is overblown and actually does damage towards our chances of victory without a third world war.

    And again;

    The fact that Bonecrusher tries to make Milosovik look like a victim does more to demonstrate the kind of hoops one has to ultimately jump through to get to that place.

  213. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What i am saying is that a good deal of the rehtoric, particularly that which tends to drive us toward the conclusion that inflicting mass casualties on muslims in general, is overblown and actually does damage towards our chances of victory without a third world war.

    Crappy sentence construction:
    What I am saying is that a good deal of the rhetoric, particularly that which tends to drive us toward the conclusion that inflicting mass casualties on muslims in general is the only and ultimate solution, is overblown and actually does damage towards our chances of victory without a third world war.
    And again;
    The fact that Bonecrusher tries to make Milosovik look like a victim does more to demonstrate the kind of hoops one has to ultimately jump through to get to that place.

  214. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    It stunned me to hear Michael Medved say on his radio show (1070 AM, KNTH, 2-5 pm) that the US is lucky to have stable neighbor countries on both its borders that are doing well. Gorblimey, how clueless can he be up there in Seattle? _He_ has a stable neighbor country, down here, we don’t.

  215. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    It stunned me to hear Michael Medved say on his radio show (1070 AM, KNTH, 2-5 pm) that the US is lucky to have stable neighbor countries on both its borders that are doing well. Gorblimey, how clueless can he be up there in Seattle? _He_ has a stable neighbor country, down here, we don’t.

  216. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #69 TT
    There’s a bunch more readin’ and catchin’ up to do, and I may not get caught up tonight, so — in case no one else has asked:

    Where did your “huge mound of dirt in the back yard” come from? Presumably not a natural feature of the landscape…

  217. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #69 TT
    There’s a bunch more readin’ and catchin’ up to do, and I may not get caught up tonight, so — in case no one else has asked:
    Where did your “huge mound of dirt in the back yard” come from? Presumably not a natural feature of the landscape…

  218. Tedtam Avatar

    #115 Mharper

    The dirt came from the excavation for the foundation for the dome home. Our lot is just a tad shy of 1 full acre. The new house sits almost right in the middle of the lot. Half of our back yard holds the excavated dirt. That means I have about 1/4 acre of dirt piled about 6 feet high. It’s a little less than that, because Hubby did bring the backhoe over one day when he wanted one of his helpers to learn how to drive it. The guy was too nervous to dump the dirt right up next to the house, so there’s a spot between our living room and dining room extensions where there was a 2 foot drop (more or less) where the dumped dirt stopped and the foundation begins. (Our foundation is elevated 2 ft – our old house didn’t flood during Allison, and it was about 18 inches off the ground.) I’ve almost got that filled in, despite having to push the cart up and down the the mound that’s already there. I’m also making headway on the intermittent pond closest to our back porch. Then there’s the low spot on the east property line, the big dip at the back of the lot, and various low spots elsewhere on the property. When the old house is finally removed, I expect that some of the dirt will be placed there as well. I anticipate a lot of workouts! So far I’ve moved about four feet into the pile. It’s a start, and as they say – a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Gotta start somewhere!

  219. Tedtam Avatar

    #115 Mharper
    The dirt came from the excavation for the foundation for the dome home. Our lot is just a tad shy of 1 full acre. The new house sits almost right in the middle of the lot. Half of our back yard holds the excavated dirt. That means I have about 1/4 acre of dirt piled about 6 feet high. It’s a little less than that, because Hubby did bring the backhoe over one day when he wanted one of his helpers to learn how to drive it. The guy was too nervous to dump the dirt right up next to the house, so there’s a spot between our living room and dining room extensions where there was a 2 foot drop (more or less) where the dumped dirt stopped and the foundation begins. (Our foundation is elevated 2 ft – our old house didn’t flood during Allison, and it was about 18 inches off the ground.) I’ve almost got that filled in, despite having to push the cart up and down the the mound that’s already there. I’m also making headway on the intermittent pond closest to our back porch. Then there’s the low spot on the east property line, the big dip at the back of the lot, and various low spots elsewhere on the property. When the old house is finally removed, I expect that some of the dirt will be placed there as well. I anticipate a lot of workouts! So far I’ve moved about four feet into the pile. It’s a start, and as they say – a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Gotta start somewhere!

  220. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My position on Muslims I think is shared among most here. Let them believe and practice what they may. That said, the cultures which they have created by and large are incompatible with the freedoms we enjoy in this blessed land. Sharia law is the antithesis of individual freedom embraced by Christians who recognize God, not government, as the source of and granter of freedom and rights.

    As for the jihadist, kill every last one of them if we have to or break their spirit to fight. We are at war with them, a war they thrust upon us. War is ugly; so it’s ugly I’m willing to get with them.

  221. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My position on Muslims I think is shared among most here. Let them believe and practice what they may. That said, the cultures which they have created by and large are incompatible with the freedoms we enjoy in this blessed land. Sharia law is the antithesis of individual freedom embraced by Christians who recognize God, not government, as the source of and granter of freedom and rights.
    As for the jihadist, kill every last one of them if we have to or break their spirit to fight. We are at war with them, a war they thrust upon us. War is ugly; so it’s ugly I’m willing to get with them.

  222. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TT — I’ve got a *small* pile of dirt at my back fence, out of sight behind the garage. And I don’t expect to move it and use it in my remaining lifetime. I think I had a plan when I put it there to start with, but I guess that was 10 years ago…

    I really admire your energy and resolve.

  223. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TT — I’ve got a *small* pile of dirt at my back fence, out of sight behind the garage. And I don’t expect to move it and use it in my remaining lifetime. I think I had a plan when I put it there to start with, but I guess that was 10 years ago…
    I really admire your energy and resolve.

  224. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #117 Darren

    Well stated, and I agree.

  225. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #117 Darren
    Well stated, and I agree.

  226. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    And Darren, it’s past your new bedtime!

  227. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    And Darren, it’s past your new bedtime!

  228. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We got a new puppy today. The only reason I agreed to getting one from a litter by the sister of a friend’s dog is that the dog will be small. She’s a doxin/chihuahua mix and terribly cute. Mrs. Darren’s creative mind went to work and since Adhara is named after a star and Sade is name after dirt (sāde is old High German for “soil”), Mrs. Darren wanted to name this dog after a mountain. A mountain, afterall, is a place where the ground meets the sky. So a quick online search revealed Chisos. Chisos is a mountain range in Texas of all places. Chisos’ nickname (our new dog’s nickname) is now “Chichis”. This despite the fact that I said “chichis” means “boobies” or “ti**ies” in Spanish. My gringo family still loves the nickname.

    So here’s to the new dog.

  229. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    We got a new puppy today. The only reason I agreed to getting one from a litter by the sister of a friend’s dog is that the dog will be small. She’s a doxin/chihuahua mix and terribly cute. Mrs. Darren’s creative mind went to work and since Adhara is named after a star and Sade is name after dirt (sāde is old High German for “soil”), Mrs. Darren wanted to name this dog after a mountain. A mountain, afterall, is a place where the ground meets the sky. So a quick online search revealed Chisos. Chisos is a mountain range in Texas of all places. Chisos’ nickname (our new dog’s nickname) is now “Chichis”. This despite the fact that I said “chichis” means “boobies” or “ti**ies” in Spanish. My gringo family still loves the nickname.
    So here’s to the new dog.

  230. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #120;

    Yup, almost. You have my permission to stay on my case regarding my bedtime.

  231. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    mharper #120;
    Yup, almost. You have my permission to stay on my case regarding my bedtime.

  232. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    The portion of the Defense of Marriage Act on which the administration just opined defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman for the purposes of federal law. So if a state court declares that in Massachusetts men can marry each other, its edict does not require the federal government to provide spousal benefits under Social Security to such couples. Obama, while claiming to oppose same-sex marriage, has also favored repeal of this act.

    So without DOMA could we see a raise in government handouts? Doesn’t that control people?

    This is for bob (emphasis mine):

    The administration initially pretended to defend the act’s constitutionality in court while actually throwing the case. It abandoned legal defenses that had previously succeeded in court and made other defenses so half-hearted that one judge cited its record in striking down the law.

    And thus it was declared unconstitutional, I wonder?

    The administration has not come out and said what logic must commit it to believe: that every state that defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman has also been violating the Constitution from 1868 right until the present day. If they are discriminating against gays and lesbians; if federal judges must bar any laws that discriminate against them unless they see a really strong reason to allow those laws; and if no such reason applies in the case of marriage — why, then every state law and state constitution that recognizes marriage to be what a majority of Americans believe it to be is in defiance of the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal-protection clause.

    Thus we see an unprecedented move by our president.

    LINK

    (Libertarian bob’s foot 🙂 )

  233. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    The portion of the Defense of Marriage Act on which the administration just opined defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman for the purposes of federal law. So if a state court declares that in Massachusetts men can marry each other, its edict does not require the federal government to provide spousal benefits under Social Security to such couples. Obama, while claiming to oppose same-sex marriage, has also favored repeal of this act.

    So without DOMA could we see a raise in government handouts? Doesn’t that control people?
    This is for bob (emphasis mine):

    The administration initially pretended to defend the act’s constitutionality in court while actually throwing the case. It abandoned legal defenses that had previously succeeded in court and made other defenses so half-hearted that one judge cited its record in striking down the law.

    And thus it was declared unconstitutional, I wonder?

    The administration has not come out and said what logic must commit it to believe: that every state that defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman has also been violating the Constitution from 1868 right until the present day. If they are discriminating against gays and lesbians; if federal judges must bar any laws that discriminate against them unless they see a really strong reason to allow those laws; and if no such reason applies in the case of marriage — why, then every state law and state constitution that recognizes marriage to be what a majority of Americans believe it to be is in defiance of the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal-protection clause.

    Thus we see an unprecedented move by our president.
    LINK
    (Libertarian bob’s foot 🙂 )

  234. Tedtam Avatar

    #118 Mharper

    Well, if I don’t want to stare at that weed-covered mountain the rest of my life, someone has to start somewhere. I’ve nicknamed it “Mirkwood” because when the weeds cover it, it reminds me of the dark forest of LOTR fame.

  235. Tedtam Avatar

    #118 Mharper
    Well, if I don’t want to stare at that weed-covered mountain the rest of my life, someone has to start somewhere. I’ve nicknamed it “Mirkwood” because when the weeds cover it, it reminds me of the dark forest of LOTR fame.

  236. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I ended up typing with Chisos on my lap. She’s so light I have to force myself to remember she’s there.

    Good night, all.

  237. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I ended up typing with Chisos on my lap. She’s so light I have to force myself to remember she’s there.
    Good night, all.

  238. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Another 100 goes unheralded. For shame, for shame. Caint leave yall alone for a minute.

  239. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Another 100 goes unheralded. For shame, for shame. Caint leave yall alone for a minute.

  240. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TIM: I’m here to claim Friday morning’s LOGICAL FIRST!!!

  241. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TIM: I’m here to claim Friday morning’s LOGICAL FIRST!!!

  242. Hamous Avatar

    Sarge: Perhaps some study on your part on these links would broaden your perspective:
    http://yourdaddy.net/2010/09/09/peaceful-islam-muslims-burn-church-in-serbia/
    http://www.kosovo.net/default3.html
    from the above, very extensive historical article:

    After the Second World War, As a result of unbelievable demographic explosion Albanian population in Kosovo doubled by 1971. The official Yugoslav census for that year shows 916,168 Albanians living in Kosovo, while Serb and Montenegrin population reached only to number 259,819. This demographic trend clearly demonstrates that the theory of Serb repression over Albanians after the WWII is absolutely not correct. The truth is that the Commnist authorities favorized the Albanians on the expense of Serbs allowing uncontrolled settlement of Albanian immingrants and tolerating different methods of ethnic discrimination over the Serbs which made more and more Serbs leave the province and seek better life in Central Serbia. By 1990ies more than 800 settlements in which Serbs lived with Albanians became ethnically clean Albanian villages.
    In an attempt to prevent the secession of Kosovo and Metohija Serbian government in 1990 abolished Kosovo Albanian authonomy. A failure of Milosevic government to develop true democratic institutions instead and using the police methods to prevent Albanian secession even more increased ethnic Albanian wish to cut of from Serbia. When the KLA rebels began attacks on Serbs in 1998 the Government brought the army and police to put the rebellion down. In the course of the civil war – 1998-1999 which ended by the NATO intervention against Yugoslavia more than 500.000 Kosovo Albanians fled the province to Macedonia and Albania. After the war, despite the international presence, KLA organized persecutions of Serb population and more than 200.000 Serbs fled Kosovo and Metohija. Only 90.000 Serbs remained living in total isolation, dispersed in several KFOR protected Serb

    I am going to try one more and hope HAL does not confine it to the spit bucket:

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/5168-obama-praises-toleration-as-indonesian-churches-burn

    It is hard to imagine that President Obama would be praising the tolerance of a Christian nation if it had witnessed the burning of 700 mosques since 1998. However, Obama would search the nations of the West in vain to find one in which violent religious bigotry is tolerated the way it is alleged to have been in Indonesia.

    700 churches burned in INDONESIA since 1998!! Dang those moooslims sure are a peaceful and tolerant lot aren’t they.

  243. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    Sarge: Perhaps some study on your part on these links would broaden your perspective:
    http://yourdaddy.net/2010/09/09/peaceful-islam-muslims-burn-church-in-serbia/
    http://www.kosovo.net/default3.html
    from the above, very extensive historical article:

    After the Second World War, As a result of unbelievable demographic explosion Albanian population in Kosovo doubled by 1971. The official Yugoslav census for that year shows 916,168 Albanians living in Kosovo, while Serb and Montenegrin population reached only to number 259,819. This demographic trend clearly demonstrates that the theory of Serb repression over Albanians after the WWII is absolutely not correct. The truth is that the Commnist authorities favorized the Albanians on the expense of Serbs allowing uncontrolled settlement of Albanian immingrants and tolerating different methods of ethnic discrimination over the Serbs which made more and more Serbs leave the province and seek better life in Central Serbia. By 1990ies more than 800 settlements in which Serbs lived with Albanians became ethnically clean Albanian villages.
    In an attempt to prevent the secession of Kosovo and Metohija Serbian government in 1990 abolished Kosovo Albanian authonomy. A failure of Milosevic government to develop true democratic institutions instead and using the police methods to prevent Albanian secession even more increased ethnic Albanian wish to cut of from Serbia. When the KLA rebels began attacks on Serbs in 1998 the Government brought the army and police to put the rebellion down. In the course of the civil war – 1998-1999 which ended by the NATO intervention against Yugoslavia more than 500.000 Kosovo Albanians fled the province to Macedonia and Albania. After the war, despite the international presence, KLA organized persecutions of Serb population and more than 200.000 Serbs fled Kosovo and Metohija. Only 90.000 Serbs remained living in total isolation, dispersed in several KFOR protected Serb

    I am going to try one more and hope HAL does not confine it to the spit bucket:
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/5168-obama-praises-toleration-as-indonesian-churches-burn

    It is hard to imagine that President Obama would be praising the tolerance of a Christian nation if it had witnessed the burning of 700 mosques since 1998. However, Obama would search the nations of the West in vain to find one in which violent religious bigotry is tolerated the way it is alleged to have been in Indonesia.

    700 churches burned in INDONESIA since 1998!! Dang those moooslims sure are a peaceful and tolerant lot aren’t they.

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