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From a Toady Perspective
On paper, President Obama’s new $3.7 trillion budget is encouraging. It makes a number of tough choices to cut the deficit by a projected $1.1 trillion over 10 years, which is enough to prevent an uncontrolled explosion of debt in the next decade and, as a result, reduce the risk of a fiscal crisis.
The questions are whether its tough choices are also wise choices and whether it stands a chance in a Congress in which Republicans, who now dominate the House, are obsessed with making indiscriminate short-term cuts in programs they never liked anyway. The Republican cuts would eviscerate vital government functions while not having any lasting impact on the deficit.

The Cee Lo Green Budget
This was supposed to be the moment we were all waiting for. After three years of historic deficits that have added almost $4.5 trillion to the national debt, President Obama was finally going to get serious about fiscal discipline. Instead, what landed on Congress’s doorstep on Monday was a White House budget that increases deficits above the spending baseline for the next two years. Hosni Mubarak was more in touch with reality last Thursday night.
The White House actually touts as tight-fisted a budget proposing a record $1.645 trillion deficit for fiscal 2011, due largely to a new surge in spending to 25.3% of GDP. That’s more spending than in any year since 1945. Federal debt held by the public—the kind we have to pay back—will rise to 75.1% in 2012, which is the highest since 1951 and more than double what it was as recently as 2007.


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  1. Katfish Avatar

    BRB

    Is that a Bieber?

  2. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    BRB

    Is that a Bieber?

  3. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    What the heck are you even talking about? 😉

  4. Hamous Avatar

    What the heck are you even talking about? 😉

  5. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    80 gtotracker42 says:
    February 15, 2011 at 8:47 pm
    As I recall after Murkowski lost the primary to Miller, Cornyn promised to remove Murkowski from her leadership positions. Given that she lost the Republican primary election and all. Never happened. Screw the tea party support Miller had.

    While there was talk about that, Cornyn did not make that promise because taking her off those Commmittes was impossible for him to do. That was a decision made by the Senate Minority Leadership at the time. Cornyn did not have a role in that. The blame lies with Mitch McConnel, John Kyl (who is retiring) and Lamar Alexander.

    After the general election, Cornyn sent an aide to Murkowski. Cornyn is of the same entrenched repubie wing as Joe Straus.

    Actually, that aide was sent before the election, and as is pointed out here, that was his job. Joe Miller not only got the same kind of help, he got help after the general election in his petulant and way too drawn out recount and protest of the result. Looking at Miller’s sordid performance, I’m of the opinion that it was six of one and half a dozen of another where he and Murkowski were concerned.

  6. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    80 gtotracker42 says:
    February 15, 2011 at 8:47 pm
    As I recall after Murkowski lost the primary to Miller, Cornyn promised to remove Murkowski from her leadership positions. Given that she lost the Republican primary election and all. Never happened. Screw the tea party support Miller had.

    While there was talk about that, Cornyn did not make that promise because taking her off those Commmittes was impossible for him to do. That was a decision made by the Senate Minority Leadership at the time. Cornyn did not have a role in that. The blame lies with Mitch McConnel, John Kyl (who is retiring) and Lamar Alexander.

    After the general election, Cornyn sent an aide to Murkowski. Cornyn is of the same entrenched repubie wing as Joe Straus.

    Actually, that aide was sent before the election, and as is pointed out here, that was his job. Joe Miller not only got the same kind of help, he got help after the general election in his petulant and way too drawn out recount and protest of the result. Looking at Miller’s sordid performance, I’m of the opinion that it was six of one and half a dozen of another where he and Murkowski were concerned.

  7. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    1 wagonburner says:
    February 16, 2011 at 8:01 am

    BRB

    Is that a Bieber?

    No.

    Its the sound you make when sliding down the bannister with no clothes on.

  8. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    1 wagonburner says:
    February 16, 2011 at 8:01 am

    BRB

    Is that a Bieber?

    No.
    Its the sound you make when sliding down the bannister with no clothes on.

  9. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #1 Pyro
    Will Bieber BRB?

  10. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #1 Pyro
    Will Bieber BRB?

  11. Katfish Avatar

    BRB

    Is that a Bieber?

    No.

    Its the sound you make when sliding down the bannister with no clothes on.

    Especially sideways.

  12. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    BRB
    Is that a Bieber?

    No.
    Its the sound you make when sliding down the bannister with no clothes on.

    Especially sideways.

  13. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Its already evident that Hammie was overly optomistic when he called this a “Normal Comments” thread.

    r maybe he just meant normal for this bunch——

  14. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Its already evident that Hammie was overly optomistic when he called this a “Normal Comments” thread.
    r maybe he just meant normal for this bunch——

  15. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Hamous, the 2nd quoted headline “The Cee Lo Green Budget” caused me to do some homework on Google. I am proud to say I had NO IDEA that was a rap singer, although while looking it up, the flap about those lyrics did seem vaguely familiar. I don’t watch any awards shows, but Michael Medved did hammer that “song” pretty hard when it won a Grammy.

  16. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Hamous, the 2nd quoted headline “The Cee Lo Green Budget” caused me to do some homework on Google. I am proud to say I had NO IDEA that was a rap singer, although while looking it up, the flap about those lyrics did seem vaguely familiar. I don’t watch any awards shows, but Michael Medved did hammer that “song” pretty hard when it won a Grammy.

  17. Tedtam Avatar

    The real Obama would be unleashed! /grin

    …a proposal from Rep. Steve Womack, R-Ark., to eliminate funding for the president’s Teleprompter and one from Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, to strip funding for the alteration, repair or improvement of the executive residence of the White House and instead divert that amount to deficit reduction.
    /snip

    “I think we made our point,” Womack said. “We’re asking people to do more with less. And I think the president ought to lead by example. He is already a very gifted speaker. And I think that’s one platform he could do without.” (emphasis mine)

    What’s he going to say? “I’m too stooopid to do without my teleprompter and use notes?”

  18. Tedtam Avatar

    The real Obama would be unleashed! /grin

    …a proposal from Rep. Steve Womack, R-Ark., to eliminate funding for the president’s Teleprompter and one from Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, to strip funding for the alteration, repair or improvement of the executive residence of the White House and instead divert that amount to deficit reduction.
    /snip
    “I think we made our point,” Womack said. “We’re asking people to do more with less. And I think the president ought to lead by example. He is already a very gifted speaker. And I think that’s one platform he could do without.” (emphasis mine)

    What’s he going to say? “I’m too stooopid to do without my teleprompter and use notes?”

  19. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #9 Tedtam, I reckon he could write notes on his hands. 😉

  20. bob42 Avatar

    #9 Tedtam, I reckon he could write notes on his hands. 😉

  21. Katfish Avatar

    I think someone mentioned this yesterday. Lara Logan of CBS News was attacked by elements of the crowds in Tahrir Square in Cairo during the recent demonstrations. She suffered a brutal sexual assault and beating before being freed by some others in the crowd.

    It’s yet another sad, disgusting commentary on the Arab culture that things like this keep happening. That said, she and the other news reporters (especially the female ones) should have known better than to be in the middle of such a crowd to begin with. Several of these news people had various scrapes with the crowds and became the story themselves, rather than merely reporting on events. Hopefully they all learned something from these misfortunes.

    n.b. – This in no way excuses the behavior of the mobs that attacked anyone. I am simply pointing out that it is prudent to take note of the danger that being in such a place is. Logan and the others would likely avoid parts of Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans for this very reason – even though they would likely be safer there than in Cairo last week.

  22. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I think someone mentioned this yesterday. Lara Logan of CBS News was attacked by elements of the crowds in Tahrir Square in Cairo during the recent demonstrations. She suffered a brutal sexual assault and beating before being freed by some others in the crowd.
    It’s yet another sad, disgusting commentary on the Arab culture that things like this keep happening. That said, she and the other news reporters (especially the female ones) should have known better than to be in the middle of such a crowd to begin with. Several of these news people had various scrapes with the crowds and became the story themselves, rather than merely reporting on events. Hopefully they all learned something from these misfortunes.
    n.b. – This in no way excuses the behavior of the mobs that attacked anyone. I am simply pointing out that it is prudent to take note of the danger that being in such a place is. Logan and the others would likely avoid parts of Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans for this very reason – even though they would likely be safer there than in Cairo last week.

  23. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Foggy 52 at 5:30, everything outside is dew covered and starting to drip. Fog grew thicker by the hour, even after Sunrise. Finally the breeze and the Sun chased it away, and a nice day beckons.

    The NYT op-ed piece reflects the professional leech viewpoint. Umm, BTW what are its current circulation numbers? The real ones that is. And advertising income? Those are a reflection of how little this bunch knows about business in the real world while blissfully, cluelessly existing in their own little bubble. But any outfit that touts Paul Krugman as a star commentator and knower-of-all-things-important is heading to a galaxy far, far away. It certainly has escaped the Milky Way.

  24. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. Foggy 52 at 5:30, everything outside is dew covered and starting to drip. Fog grew thicker by the hour, even after Sunrise. Finally the breeze and the Sun chased it away, and a nice day beckons.
    The NYT op-ed piece reflects the professional leech viewpoint. Umm, BTW what are its current circulation numbers? The real ones that is. And advertising income? Those are a reflection of how little this bunch knows about business in the real world while blissfully, cluelessly existing in their own little bubble. But any outfit that touts Paul Krugman as a star commentator and knower-of-all-things-important is heading to a galaxy far, far away. It certainly has escaped the Milky Way.

  25. El Gordo Avatar

    If the new normal is a budget proposing a record $1.645 trillion deficit for fiscal 2011 then I’d be glad to be considered freaks of nature.

  26. Dude42 Avatar

    If the new normal is a budget proposing a record $1.645 trillion deficit for fiscal 2011 then I’d be glad to be considered freaks of nature.

  27. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    It’s yet another sad, disgusting commentary on the Arab culture that things like this keep happening. That said, she and the other news reporters (especially the female ones) should have known better than to be in the middle of such a crowd to begin with.

    What does the fact that she was rescued by Egyptian women and soldiers say about Arab culture?

    And please tell us how this action by Egyptians means that Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenis, Saudis, Iraqis, Turks, Algerians, Morrocans, Tunisians, and Libyans are just as prone to attacking reporters?

    Do you have any reports of reporters being attacked during the protests in Tunisia, Jordan, and Yemen?

    My information indicates that the attacks on reporters were done by Mubarack supporters and are more an indication of the nature of his regime and how he attempted to control the situation, and thus more politiocally motivated, more than it is an indication of any general cultural trait of Arabs or thier religion.

  28. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    It’s yet another sad, disgusting commentary on the Arab culture that things like this keep happening. That said, she and the other news reporters (especially the female ones) should have known better than to be in the middle of such a crowd to begin with.

    What does the fact that she was rescued by Egyptian women and soldiers say about Arab culture?
    And please tell us how this action by Egyptians means that Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenis, Saudis, Iraqis, Turks, Algerians, Morrocans, Tunisians, and Libyans are just as prone to attacking reporters?
    Do you have any reports of reporters being attacked during the protests in Tunisia, Jordan, and Yemen?
    My information indicates that the attacks on reporters were done by Mubarack supporters and are more an indication of the nature of his regime and how he attempted to control the situation, and thus more politiocally motivated, more than it is an indication of any general cultural trait of Arabs or thier religion.

  29. Katfish Avatar

    Sarge – there are numerous reports from that area of the world where the prevailing mindset of those who live there (Muslim Arabs) is hostile toward women (especially non-Arab and not wearing a tent) and non-Muslims. Churches, synagogues, and other non-Muslim places of worship are bombed and burned down frequently. Polls were taken in Egypt last week that showed ~80% of the Egyptian population supports the death penalty for apostacy.

    The fact that there are a relatively few people who have a sense of decency does not defend the overall culture, just as the fact that there are bank robbers here does not indicate we are a nation of thieves.

  30. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Sarge – there are numerous reports from that area of the world where the prevailing mindset of those who live there (Muslim Arabs) is hostile toward women (especially non-Arab and not wearing a tent) and non-Muslims. Churches, synagogues, and other non-Muslim places of worship are bombed and burned down frequently. Polls were taken in Egypt last week that showed ~80% of the Egyptian population supports the death penalty for apostacy.
    The fact that there are a relatively few people who have a sense of decency does not defend the overall culture, just as the fact that there are bank robbers here does not indicate we are a nation of thieves.

  31. Tedtam Avatar

    I think Muslim men feel free to attack women, especially when in pack mode, and especially against Western women. Muslima, even fully covered, are not treated so delicately, either, when they end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just did a quick search for, but could not find, a story I read some time back about a bunch of Muslim men who were refused from a movie or some kind of show in Egypt (?) because the show was sold out. This crowd of disgruntled men grew to about 200 or so, and they wandered the streets causing trouble. Two women, fully covered, were sexually assaulted until a store owner managed to drag them into his shop and lock the door. I remember this story because there were quotes from young boys, barely teenagers, who were reported to be grinning as these women were cornered, yelling “We get to F—! We get to F—-”

    I’m not saying there aren’t rapists in the non-Muslim world. That would be stupid. I do find shocking, however, the misogyny of the Arab Muslim culture. It starts young.

  32. Tedtam Avatar

    I think Muslim men feel free to attack women, especially when in pack mode, and especially against Western women. Muslima, even fully covered, are not treated so delicately, either, when they end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just did a quick search for, but could not find, a story I read some time back about a bunch of Muslim men who were refused from a movie or some kind of show in Egypt (?) because the show was sold out. This crowd of disgruntled men grew to about 200 or so, and they wandered the streets causing trouble. Two women, fully covered, were sexually assaulted until a store owner managed to drag them into his shop and lock the door. I remember this story because there were quotes from young boys, barely teenagers, who were reported to be grinning as these women were cornered, yelling “We get to F—! We get to F—-”
    I’m not saying there aren’t rapists in the non-Muslim world. That would be stupid. I do find shocking, however, the misogyny of the Arab Muslim culture. It starts young.

  33. El Gordo Avatar

    If you follow Denninger with any regularity, you’ll be familiar with the term “margin collapse”. Get ready. Whether you’re familiar with the term or not, whether you find finance boring or not, it’s headed your way.

  34. Dude42 Avatar

    If you follow Denninger with any regularity, you’ll be familiar with the term “margin collapse”. Get ready. Whether you’re familiar with the term or not, whether you find finance boring or not, it’s headed your way.

  35. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #18 – Yep – I can only read so much of it – but the Gent is rarely incorrect and the numbers bear it out on a regular basis………………we are long since past “if” mode and definitetly in “when?”

  36. Katfish Avatar

    #18 – Yep – I can only read so much of it – but the Gent is rarely incorrect and the numbers bear it out on a regular basis………………we are long since past “if” mode and definitetly in “when?”

  37. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge – there are numerous reports from that area of the world where the prevailing mindset of those who live there (Muslim Arabs) is hostile toward women (especially non-Arab and not wearing a tent) and non-Muslims.

    Then you should be able to find some that will prove your point that the attack on Lara Logan is more indicative of a general Arab trait, which was your point (without pointing out that more male reporters were attacked than female), and not the action of Mubarack supporters.

    And if you don’t want to limit it to just the Logan attack, give us the incidents where nonpArab women have been attacked by crowds simply for being non-Arab women. THAT is what you are contending when you use the Logan attack as an example.

    I’ve already provided one that shows those attacks on reporters were the actions of Mubarack supporters.

    I will concede that women, both Muslim and non-Muslim, are treated as second class citizens in most muslim cultures—but that is not the same thing as alleging that thered is a general Arab trait for attacking women who are non-Arabs.

  38. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge – there are numerous reports from that area of the world where the prevailing mindset of those who live there (Muslim Arabs) is hostile toward women (especially non-Arab and not wearing a tent) and non-Muslims.

    Then you should be able to find some that will prove your point that the attack on Lara Logan is more indicative of a general Arab trait, which was your point (without pointing out that more male reporters were attacked than female), and not the action of Mubarack supporters.
    And if you don’t want to limit it to just the Logan attack, give us the incidents where nonpArab women have been attacked by crowds simply for being non-Arab women. THAT is what you are contending when you use the Logan attack as an example.
    I’ve already provided one that shows those attacks on reporters were the actions of Mubarack supporters.
    I will concede that women, both Muslim and non-Muslim, are treated as second class citizens in most muslim cultures—but that is not the same thing as alleging that thered is a general Arab trait for attacking women who are non-Arabs.

  39. El Gordo Avatar

    we are long since past “if” mode and definitetly in “when”

    And that is the truly frightening part. I’m not at all a pessimist by nature, but the things that Denninger brings to light are enough to keep you awake at night. What scares me more than anything is that the world my kids are inheriting is going to be severely compromised in terms of standard of living.

  40. Dude42 Avatar

    we are long since past “if” mode and definitetly in “when”

    And that is the truly frightening part. I’m not at all a pessimist by nature, but the things that Denninger brings to light are enough to keep you awake at night. What scares me more than anything is that the world my kids are inheriting is going to be severely compromised in terms of standard of living.

  41. Katfish Avatar

    (without pointing out that more male reporters were attacked than female)

    I’ll accept that stipulation, which goes to my other point that many of those idiots became the story, rather than simply covering the story, through their own stupidity.

    I will concede that women, both Muslim and non-Muslim, are treated as second class citizens in most muslim cultures—but that is not the same thing as alleging that thered is a general Arab trait for attacking women who are non-Arabs.

    In the more “conservative” parts of the Arab Muslim world, women are treated below second-class. We’ve all read stories of girls being locked in a burning building because there weren’t any male relatives around to escort them and they hadn’t had time to put on their tents. There are also numerous reports of women who show a little too much skin (as little as a bit of ankle or lower forearm) being attacked.

  42. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    (without pointing out that more male reporters were attacked than female)

    I’ll accept that stipulation, which goes to my other point that many of those idiots became the story, rather than simply covering the story, through their own stupidity.

    I will concede that women, both Muslim and non-Muslim, are treated as second class citizens in most muslim cultures—but that is not the same thing as alleging that thered is a general Arab trait for attacking women who are non-Arabs.

    In the more “conservative” parts of the Arab Muslim world, women are treated below second-class. We’ve all read stories of girls being locked in a burning building because there weren’t any male relatives around to escort them and they hadn’t had time to put on their tents. There are also numerous reports of women who show a little too much skin (as little as a bit of ankle or lower forearm) being attacked.

  43. Katfish Avatar

    What scares me more than anything is that the world my kids are inheriting is going to be severely compromised in terms of standard of living.

    It won’t be limited to your kids if this thing doesn’t get turned around soon; it’ll be you.

    P-BO (the president) went around for months talking about the Republicans driving the car into the ditch. If we continue that analogy, he’s managed to look like he’s gotten it partway out of the ditch and is now accelerating toward a cliff.

  44. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    What scares me more than anything is that the world my kids are inheriting is going to be severely compromised in terms of standard of living.

    It won’t be limited to your kids if this thing doesn’t get turned around soon; it’ll be you.
    P-BO (the president) went around for months talking about the Republicans driving the car into the ditch. If we continue that analogy, he’s managed to look like he’s gotten it partway out of the ditch and is now accelerating toward a cliff.

  45. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    In the more “conservative” parts of the Arab Muslim world, women are treated below second-class. We’ve all read stories of girls being locked in a burning building because there weren’t any male relatives around to escort them and they hadn’t had time to put on their tents.

    Then, you do concede that there is no general trait among Arabs or Muslims for actual violence against women but, just as with any other religion, there are varying interpretations of their faith that leads certain sects towards actions or beleifs that are extreme.

    Or would you say that there is a general trait among Mormons in particular and Christians in general for having mulitple wives and sex with children based on the actions of the Yearning for Zion folks in West Texas?

    That’s pretty much the kind of point you were making about Arabs using the Lara Logan example.

  46. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    In the more “conservative” parts of the Arab Muslim world, women are treated below second-class. We’ve all read stories of girls being locked in a burning building because there weren’t any male relatives around to escort them and they hadn’t had time to put on their tents.

    Then, you do concede that there is no general trait among Arabs or Muslims for actual violence against women but, just as with any other religion, there are varying interpretations of their faith that leads certain sects towards actions or beleifs that are extreme.
    Or would you say that there is a general trait among Mormons in particular and Christians in general for having mulitple wives and sex with children based on the actions of the Yearning for Zion folks in West Texas?
    That’s pretty much the kind of point you were making about Arabs using the Lara Logan example.

  47. El Gordo Avatar

    It won’t be limited to your kids if this thing doesn’t get turned around soon; it’ll be you.

    I don’t think there’s any question about it being me. Again, it’s not “if” it’s “when”, and I think the “when” is going to come a lot sooner and more intensely than any of us care to think about.

  48. Dude42 Avatar

    It won’t be limited to your kids if this thing doesn’t get turned around soon; it’ll be you.

    I don’t think there’s any question about it being me. Again, it’s not “if” it’s “when”, and I think the “when” is going to come a lot sooner and more intensely than any of us care to think about.

  49. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    whooo hooo #26!

  50. Katfish Avatar

    Then, you do concede that there is no general trait among Arabs or Muslims for actual violence against women but, just as with any other religion, there are varying interpretations of their faith that leads certain sects towards actions or beleifs that are extreme.

    No. I assert that those traits are common, if not predominant among Arab Muslims. Not all Arabs; not all Muslims, but those who are both, i.e., the intersection of those two sets.

    The YFZ nuts are a tiny group of inbreds. A couple hundred at most compared to a few million Mormons and well over a billion Christians.

    Compare that with the 80% of the Muslim population of Egypt (80% of over 50million = over 40million) who think the death penalty for converting away from Islam is peachy-keen. Across the Middle East and Northern Africa, the same thought process is present. In a couple of countries (e.g., Tunisia and Morocco) it is less pronounced, while in others it is moreso.

    So your comparison of ~0.0000167% of the Christian world to well over 75% of the Muslim Arab world falls somewhat flat.

  51. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Then, you do concede that there is no general trait among Arabs or Muslims for actual violence against women but, just as with any other religion, there are varying interpretations of their faith that leads certain sects towards actions or beleifs that are extreme.

    No. I assert that those traits are common, if not predominant among Arab Muslims. Not all Arabs; not all Muslims, but those who are both, i.e., the intersection of those two sets.
    The YFZ nuts are a tiny group of inbreds. A couple hundred at most compared to a few million Mormons and well over a billion Christians.
    Compare that with the 80% of the Muslim population of Egypt (80% of over 50million = over 40million) who think the death penalty for converting away from Islam is peachy-keen. Across the Middle East and Northern Africa, the same thought process is present. In a couple of countries (e.g., Tunisia and Morocco) it is less pronounced, while in others it is moreso.
    So your comparison of ~0.0000167% of the Christian world to well over 75% of the Muslim Arab world falls somewhat flat.

  52. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    In light of this,

    Not including executive salaries, the average annual income of a DOE employee this year will be $103,000: nearly double the average annual teacher salary ($53,000 in 2009).

    This is especially disgusting.

    I live in Madison, Wis., and you may have heard that Gov. Scott Walker is pushing to restrict the negotiating power of the union. There have been the usual protests and such, but today really takes the cake. I have a son in third grade in the Madison school system, and I was informed this morning that all schools are closed today because more than 40 percent of the teachers in the union have called in “sick.”

    How come all I hear from the teacher’s union is how anything that goes against them will “hurt the children”? Today, it is all very clear to me. The teachers who called in sick care more about their union than actually doing their jobs. It makes me sad and very angry at the same time.

  53. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    In light of this,

    Not including executive salaries, the average annual income of a DOE employee this year will be $103,000: nearly double the average annual teacher salary ($53,000 in 2009).

    This is especially disgusting.

    I live in Madison, Wis., and you may have heard that Gov. Scott Walker is pushing to restrict the negotiating power of the union. There have been the usual protests and such, but today really takes the cake. I have a son in third grade in the Madison school system, and I was informed this morning that all schools are closed today because more than 40 percent of the teachers in the union have called in “sick.”
    How come all I hear from the teacher’s union is how anything that goes against them will “hurt the children”? Today, it is all very clear to me. The teachers who called in sick care more about their union than actually doing their jobs. It makes me sad and very angry at the same time.

  54. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    I’m not aware of any religion except one which practices mutilation of the female genitalia as a show of just how much respect they have for their women. Or the practice of stoning to death rape victims. Or so called “honor” killings. I’m not going to provide links, you can check it out for yourself – including a “how to” manual and photographs if you need the gruesome details. I guess that’s why it’s called the religion of peace.

  55. El Gordo Avatar

    I’m not aware of any religion except one which practices mutilation of the female genitalia as a show of just how much respect they have for their women. Or the practice of stoning to death rape victims. Or so called “honor” killings. I’m not going to provide links, you can check it out for yourself – including a “how to” manual and photographs if you need the gruesome details. I guess that’s why it’s called the religion of peace.

  56. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    No. I assert that those traits are common, if not predominant among Arab Muslims. Not all Arabs; not all Muslims, but those who are both, i.e., the intersection of those two sets.

    Then you should be able to provide the evidence that supports your claim. If violence against women is as common as you say it is, and if the Logan attack is njust the latest example, then it should be easy. So far, I’m the only one here who has provided any actual information—you’ve just given us an opinion and used an attack on a female reporter as your proof—again, while not noting that there were more male reporters attacked and that the attackers were political supporters of a repressive regime.

    The YFZ nuts are a tiny group of inbreds. A couple hundred at most compared to a few million Mormons and well over a billion Christians.

    Yet, using your logic (and the level of proof you provide) I could make the claim that they are representative of a certain kind of gteneral behavior or belief among Christians—with exactly the same veracity as the one you’ve made. Especially if I backed it up with a few news reports of abortion clinic bombings, murders of abortion doctors, Westboro Baptist Church protests, reports of women killing their children because they though the Devil was in them, and people going on killing sprees because the voice of God came into thier head and told them to.

    None of that is good information, or actually indicative of the general nature of Christians, yet eacj example is entirely consistent with the one you gave.

    Compare that with the 80% of the Muslim population of Egypt (80% of over 50million = over 40million) who think the death penalty for converting away from Islam is peachy-keen. Across the Middle East and Northern Africa, the same thought process is present. In a couple of countries (e.g., Tunisia and Morocco) it is less pronounced, while in others it is moreso.

    Then, I say again, you do concede that there is no general Arab or Muslim trait—that it differs from country to country and sect to sect——just as it does with any culture or religion.

    Thanks for continuing to make my point.

  57. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    No. I assert that those traits are common, if not predominant among Arab Muslims. Not all Arabs; not all Muslims, but those who are both, i.e., the intersection of those two sets.

    Then you should be able to provide the evidence that supports your claim. If violence against women is as common as you say it is, and if the Logan attack is njust the latest example, then it should be easy. So far, I’m the only one here who has provided any actual information—you’ve just given us an opinion and used an attack on a female reporter as your proof—again, while not noting that there were more male reporters attacked and that the attackers were political supporters of a repressive regime.

    The YFZ nuts are a tiny group of inbreds. A couple hundred at most compared to a few million Mormons and well over a billion Christians.

    Yet, using your logic (and the level of proof you provide) I could make the claim that they are representative of a certain kind of gteneral behavior or belief among Christians—with exactly the same veracity as the one you’ve made. Especially if I backed it up with a few news reports of abortion clinic bombings, murders of abortion doctors, Westboro Baptist Church protests, reports of women killing their children because they though the Devil was in them, and people going on killing sprees because the voice of God came into thier head and told them to.
    None of that is good information, or actually indicative of the general nature of Christians, yet eacj example is entirely consistent with the one you gave.

    Compare that with the 80% of the Muslim population of Egypt (80% of over 50million = over 40million) who think the death penalty for converting away from Islam is peachy-keen. Across the Middle East and Northern Africa, the same thought process is present. In a couple of countries (e.g., Tunisia and Morocco) it is less pronounced, while in others it is moreso.

    Then, I say again, you do concede that there is no general Arab or Muslim trait—that it differs from country to country and sect to sect——just as it does with any culture or religion.
    Thanks for continuing to make my point.

  58. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Morning all:

    WOW, some hot posting going on already.

    Saw in several blurbs this AM where Pubs, Dems and even O’s hand picked budget advisors were shooting down his budget proposal.

  59. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all:
    WOW, some hot posting going on already.
    Saw in several blurbs this AM where Pubs, Dems and even O’s hand picked budget advisors were shooting down his budget proposal.

  60. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Speaking of BRB noises, you know why women don’t break wind?

    Cause they don’t keep their mouth closed long enough to build up any internal pressure.

    duck/runs

  61. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Speaking of BRB noises, you know why women don’t break wind?
    Cause they don’t keep their mouth closed long enough to build up any internal pressure.
    duck/runs

  62. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Obama’s proposed budget adds a seven dollar tax on airline tickets to pay for airport screeners.

    That comes out to three dollars and fifty cents a breast, the same as Colonel Sanders charges.

  63. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Obama’s proposed budget adds a seven dollar tax on airline tickets to pay for airport screeners.
    That comes out to three dollars and fifty cents a breast, the same as Colonel Sanders charges.

  64. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’m not aware of any religion except one which practices mutilation of the female genitalia as a show of just how much respect they have for their women.

    Please provide proof that female genital mutilation is generally accepted in the Muslim religion or that it is a generally Arab belief. Because I can provide information that says it is not, particularly in Egypt:

    FGM is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, FGM is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favor sunna circumcision involving minor cutting of the clitoris. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.

    snip

    Fatwas published:
    Fatwas are published opinions by Muslim religious scholars. They are non-binding in law. But Muslim believers are expected to follow them. In Egypt, a number of Fatwas have been issued by the influential Egyptian Fatwa Committee on FGM:

    1949-MAY-28: They decided that it is not a sin to reject female circumcision.
    1951-JUN-23: They stated that female circumcision is desirable because it curbs “nature” (i.e. sexual drive among women). It stated that medical concerns over the practice are irrelevant.
    1981-JAN-29: The Great Sheikh of Al-Azhar (the most famous University of the Islamic World) stated that parents must follow the lessons of Mohammed and not listen to medical authorities because the latter often change their minds. Parents must do their duty and have their daughters circumcised.

    2007-JUN-24: As noted elsewhere, the Mufti of Egypt, Ali Gum’s announced that: “… this custom is prohibited.”

    In fact, I can provide information that it is practiced more by non-Arab Africans than it is by Arabs.

  65. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I’m not aware of any religion except one which practices mutilation of the female genitalia as a show of just how much respect they have for their women.

    Please provide proof that female genital mutilation is generally accepted in the Muslim religion or that it is a generally Arab belief. Because I can provide information that says it is not, particularly in Egypt:

    FGM is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, FGM is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favor sunna circumcision involving minor cutting of the clitoris. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.
    snip
    Fatwas published:
    Fatwas are published opinions by Muslim religious scholars. They are non-binding in law. But Muslim believers are expected to follow them. In Egypt, a number of Fatwas have been issued by the influential Egyptian Fatwa Committee on FGM:
    1949-MAY-28: They decided that it is not a sin to reject female circumcision.
    1951-JUN-23: They stated that female circumcision is desirable because it curbs “nature” (i.e. sexual drive among women). It stated that medical concerns over the practice are irrelevant.
    1981-JAN-29: The Great Sheikh of Al-Azhar (the most famous University of the Islamic World) stated that parents must follow the lessons of Mohammed and not listen to medical authorities because the latter often change their minds. Parents must do their duty and have their daughters circumcised.
    2007-JUN-24: As noted elsewhere, the Mufti of Egypt, Ali Gum’s announced that: “… this custom is prohibited.”

    In fact, I can provide information that it is practiced more by non-Arab Africans than it is by Arabs.

  66. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Female mutilation:

    Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

    The availability of reliable figures on the prevalence of female circumcision has increased greatly in recent years: National data have now been collected in the Demographic and Health Survey (DHS) program for six countries–the Central African Republic, Côte d’Ivoire, Egypt, Eritrea, Mali and Sudan. In these countries, from 43% to 97% of reproductive-age women have been circumcised.7 Within countries, prevalence may vary across ethnic groups; in Mali, for example, where the overall proportion of women who have undergone circumcision is 94%, only 17% of women of Tamachek ethnicity have been circumcised.

    Estimates for other countries are generally based on local surveys or anecdotal information. The estimated proportion of women who have undergone circumcision in these countries ranges from 5% in Uganda and the Congo (formerly Zaire) to 98% in Djibouti and Somalia.8 Both because of wide variations in prevalence across social and demographic subgroups and because of data limitations, these figures should be interpreted with caution.

    Long article with footnotes and documentation here

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html

  67. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Female mutilation:

    Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*
    The availability of reliable figures on the prevalence of female circumcision has increased greatly in recent years: National data have now been collected in the Demographic and Health Survey (DHS) program for six countries–the Central African Republic, Côte d’Ivoire, Egypt, Eritrea, Mali and Sudan. In these countries, from 43% to 97% of reproductive-age women have been circumcised.7 Within countries, prevalence may vary across ethnic groups; in Mali, for example, where the overall proportion of women who have undergone circumcision is 94%, only 17% of women of Tamachek ethnicity have been circumcised.
    Estimates for other countries are generally based on local surveys or anecdotal information. The estimated proportion of women who have undergone circumcision in these countries ranges from 5% in Uganda and the Congo (formerly Zaire) to 98% in Djibouti and Somalia.8 Both because of wide variations in prevalence across social and demographic subgroups and because of data limitations, these figures should be interpreted with caution.

    Long article with footnotes and documentation here
    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html

  68. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    It is like the “Star Wars” bar. There is not a lot of good looking people there, Greg. It is actually kind of sad and lonely here. What unites us is our hatred for Fox News and various skin disorders.

  69. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    It is like the “Star Wars” bar. There is not a lot of good looking people there, Greg. It is actually kind of sad and lonely here. What unites us is our hatred for Fox News and various skin disorders.

  70. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

    Well, then, as far as female genital mutilation goes, I rest my case.

  71. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

    Well, then, as far as female genital mutilation goes, I rest my case.

  72. Katfish Avatar

    Then you should be able to provide the evidence that supports your claim.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf16.html

    Wife-beating is a relatively common practice in Arab countries, and abused women have little recourse. As the State Department has noted regarding Jordan (and most of the Arab world): “Wife beating is technically grounds for divorce, but the husband may seek to demonstrate that he has authority from the Koran to correct an irreligious or disobedient wife by striking her.

    Women are the victims of systematic discrimination in Saudi Arabia. Domestic violence and rape are widespread problems, and women have no redress for such crimes. Women cannot travel, be admitted to a hospital or drive in a car without their husbands’ permission. Buses are segregated, and women must sit in the rear. Those women not wearing an abaya (a black garment covering the entire body) and covering their faces and hair are harassed by the Mutawwa’in.

    Jordanian women are at a distinct legal disadvantage. Marital rape is legal, wife-beating is rampant, and often allowed by law, and honor crimes crimes (domestic violence against women committed by men who feel the women have undermined their honor by their “immoral behavior”) receive minimal sentences. Such honor crimes have become so common that they comprise 25% of the total murders committed in Jordan in 2000, according to one study.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12920614 and
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/w2ku8tbrytwy6xnr/

    In Arab and Islamic countries, domestic violence is not yet considered a major concern despite its increasing frequency and serious consequences. Surveys in Egypt, Palestine, Israel and Tunisia show that at least one out of three women is beaten by her husband. The indifference to this type of violence stems from attitudes that domestic violence is a private matter and, usually, a justifiable response to misbehaviour on the part of the wife. Selective excerpts from the Koran are used to prove that men who beat their wives are following God’s commandments. These religious justifications, plus the importance of preserving the honour of the family, lead abusers, victims, police and health care professionals to join in a conspiracy of silence rather than disclosing these offences. However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    http://www.crvawc.ca/documents/Final-AccesstoWomenAbuseServicesbyArabSpeakingMuslimWomeninLondon_001.pdf

    This is clearly seen in the Islamic Arab community’s interpretation of the reasons that compel husbands to be violent against their wives, reasons that normally pardon the husbands. Men consider violence against their wives as an internal affair in which no one has the right to interfere. They also do not exempt the wife from bearing a certain amount of responsibility for the abuse. The woman is often blamed for the violence that she is subjected. Many in the Arab Muslim community frame violence as a consequence of the wife competing with her husband to play a stronger role in the affairs of the family.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0512/p09s01-coop.html

    The news about the brutal beating of Saudi Arabian television host, Rania al-Baz, by her husband last month, serves as a wake up call to all Arab and Muslim women in the Middle East and the West.

    Ms. Baz was married for six years to an abusive husband. In her husband’s last violent tirade, she says that he told her he’d kill her, and forced her to recite the last rites. And he did almost kill her – her pretty face, loved by so many who watched her morning show daily, was pounded almost beyond recognition.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/beating.htm

    It is true, as Hathout notes, that all societies have domestic violence; however, Islamic societies have it enshrined in their eternal word of Allah, unlike, say, the New Testament, which does not have even a faint hint of it. With such divine endorsement from Allah, can Islam reform on this matter?

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/34098819/Criminalizing-Sexuality-Zina-Laws-as-Violence-Against-Women-in-Muslim-Contexts-Mir-Hoessini

    Islamic legal tradition treats any sexual contact outside a legal marriage as a crime. The main category of such crimes iszina, defined as any act of illicit sexual intercourse between a man and woman. In the late twentieth century, the resurgence of Islam as a political and spiritual force led to the revival ofzina laws and the creation of new offences that criminalize consensual sexual activity and authorize violence against women.

  73. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Then you should be able to provide the evidence that supports your claim.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf16.html

    Wife-beating is a relatively common practice in Arab countries, and abused women have little recourse. As the State Department has noted regarding Jordan (and most of the Arab world): “Wife beating is technically grounds for divorce, but the husband may seek to demonstrate that he has authority from the Koran to correct an irreligious or disobedient wife by striking her.

    Women are the victims of systematic discrimination in Saudi Arabia. Domestic violence and rape are widespread problems, and women have no redress for such crimes. Women cannot travel, be admitted to a hospital or drive in a car without their husbands’ permission. Buses are segregated, and women must sit in the rear. Those women not wearing an abaya (a black garment covering the entire body) and covering their faces and hair are harassed by the Mutawwa’in.

    Jordanian women are at a distinct legal disadvantage. Marital rape is legal, wife-beating is rampant, and often allowed by law, and honor crimes crimes (domestic violence against women committed by men who feel the women have undermined their honor by their “immoral behavior”) receive minimal sentences. Such honor crimes have become so common that they comprise 25% of the total murders committed in Jordan in 2000, according to one study.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12920614 and
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/w2ku8tbrytwy6xnr/

    In Arab and Islamic countries, domestic violence is not yet considered a major concern despite its increasing frequency and serious consequences. Surveys in Egypt, Palestine, Israel and Tunisia show that at least one out of three women is beaten by her husband. The indifference to this type of violence stems from attitudes that domestic violence is a private matter and, usually, a justifiable response to misbehaviour on the part of the wife. Selective excerpts from the Koran are used to prove that men who beat their wives are following God’s commandments. These religious justifications, plus the importance of preserving the honour of the family, lead abusers, victims, police and health care professionals to join in a conspiracy of silence rather than disclosing these offences. However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    http://www.crvawc.ca/documents/Final-AccesstoWomenAbuseServicesbyArabSpeakingMuslimWomeninLondon_001.pdf

    This is clearly seen in the Islamic Arab community’s interpretation of the reasons that compel husbands to be violent against their wives, reasons that normally pardon the husbands. Men consider violence against their wives as an internal affair in which no one has the right to interfere. They also do not exempt the wife from bearing a certain amount of responsibility for the abuse. The woman is often blamed for the violence that she is subjected. Many in the Arab Muslim community frame violence as a consequence of the wife competing with her husband to play a stronger role in the affairs of the family.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0512/p09s01-coop.html

    The news about the brutal beating of Saudi Arabian television host, Rania al-Baz, by her husband last month, serves as a wake up call to all Arab and Muslim women in the Middle East and the West.
    Ms. Baz was married for six years to an abusive husband. In her husband’s last violent tirade, she says that he told her he’d kill her, and forced her to recite the last rites. And he did almost kill her – her pretty face, loved by so many who watched her morning show daily, was pounded almost beyond recognition.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/beating.htm

    It is true, as Hathout notes, that all societies have domestic violence; however, Islamic societies have it enshrined in their eternal word of Allah, unlike, say, the New Testament, which does not have even a faint hint of it. With such divine endorsement from Allah, can Islam reform on this matter?

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/34098819/Criminalizing-Sexuality-Zina-Laws-as-Violence-Against-Women-in-Muslim-Contexts-Mir-Hoessini

    Islamic legal tradition treats any sexual contact outside a legal marriage as a crime. The main category of such crimes iszina, defined as any act of illicit sexual intercourse between a man and woman. In the late twentieth century, the resurgence of Islam as a political and spiritual force led to the revival ofzina laws and the creation of new offences that criminalize consensual sexual activity and authorize violence against women.

  74. Tedtam Avatar

    I just sent my first two faxes out using our new system. Gonna take some time to get proficient.

  75. Tedtam Avatar

    I just sent my first two faxes out using our new system. Gonna take some time to get proficient.

  76. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm

    Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the United States, more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. (“Violence Against Women, A Majority Staff Report,” Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 102nd Congress, October 1992, p.3.)

    There are 1,500 shelters for battered women in the United States. There are 3,800 animal shelters. (Schneider, 1990).

    Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. (“Women and Violence,” Hearings before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, August 29 and December 11, 1990, Senate Hearing 101-939, pt. 1, p. 12.)

    One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. (Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991).

    One in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime. (Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. National Institute of Justice and the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, “Extent, Nature and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey,” 2000; Sara Glazer, “Violence, Against Women” CO Researcher, Congressional Quarterly, Inc., Volume 3, Number 8, February, 1993, p. 171; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The National Institute of Justice, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, July 2000; The Commonwealth Fund, Health Concerns Across a Woman’s Lifespan: 1998 Survey of Women’s Health, 1999).

    In 1992, the American Medical Association reported that as many as 1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a domestic partner in her lifetime — 4 million in any given year. (“When Violence Hits Home.” Time. June 4, 1994).

    An estimated 1.3 million women are victims of physical assault by an intimate partner each year. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.)

    85% of domestic violence victims are women. (Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003)

    Police report that between 40% and 60% of the calls they receive, especially on the night shift, are domestic violence disputes. (Carrillo, Roxann “Violence Against Women: An Obstacle to Development,” Human Development Report, 1990)

    Police are more likely to respond within 5 minutes if an offender is a stranger than if an offender is known to a female victim. (Ronet Bachman, Ph.D. “Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report.” U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice and Statistics. January 1994, p. 9.)

    Battering occurs among people of all races, ages, socio-economic classes, religious affiliations, occupations, and educational backgrounds.

    A battering incident is rarely an isolated event.

    Battering tends to increase and become more violent over time.

    Many batterers learned violent behavior growing up in an abusive family.

    25% – 45% of all women who are battered are battered during pregnancy.

    Domestic violence does not end immediately with separation. Over 70% of the women injured in domestic violence cases are injured after separation.

    1 in 12 women and 1 in 45 men have been stalked in their lifetime. (Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. (1998). “Stalking in America.” National Institute for Justice)

    One in 6 women and 1 in 33 men have experienced an attempted or completed rape. (U.S. Department of Justice, “Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women,” November 1998)

  77. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm

    Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the United States, more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. (“Violence Against Women, A Majority Staff Report,” Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 102nd Congress, October 1992, p.3.)
    There are 1,500 shelters for battered women in the United States. There are 3,800 animal shelters. (Schneider, 1990).
    Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. (“Women and Violence,” Hearings before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, August 29 and December 11, 1990, Senate Hearing 101-939, pt. 1, p. 12.)
    One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. (Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991).
    One in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime. (Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. National Institute of Justice and the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, “Extent, Nature and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey,” 2000; Sara Glazer, “Violence, Against Women” CO Researcher, Congressional Quarterly, Inc., Volume 3, Number 8, February, 1993, p. 171; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The National Institute of Justice, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, July 2000; The Commonwealth Fund, Health Concerns Across a Woman’s Lifespan: 1998 Survey of Women’s Health, 1999).
    In 1992, the American Medical Association reported that as many as 1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a domestic partner in her lifetime — 4 million in any given year. (“When Violence Hits Home.” Time. June 4, 1994).
    An estimated 1.3 million women are victims of physical assault by an intimate partner each year. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.)
    85% of domestic violence victims are women. (Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003)
    Police report that between 40% and 60% of the calls they receive, especially on the night shift, are domestic violence disputes. (Carrillo, Roxann “Violence Against Women: An Obstacle to Development,” Human Development Report, 1990)
    Police are more likely to respond within 5 minutes if an offender is a stranger than if an offender is known to a female victim. (Ronet Bachman, Ph.D. “Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report.” U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice and Statistics. January 1994, p. 9.)
    Battering occurs among people of all races, ages, socio-economic classes, religious affiliations, occupations, and educational backgrounds.
    A battering incident is rarely an isolated event.
    Battering tends to increase and become more violent over time.
    Many batterers learned violent behavior growing up in an abusive family.
    25% – 45% of all women who are battered are battered during pregnancy.
    Domestic violence does not end immediately with separation. Over 70% of the women injured in domestic violence cases are injured after separation.
    1 in 12 women and 1 in 45 men have been stalked in their lifetime. (Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. (1998). “Stalking in America.” National Institute for Justice)
    One in 6 women and 1 in 33 men have experienced an attempted or completed rape. (U.S. Department of Justice, “Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women,” November 1998)

  78. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault

    Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.
    Here’s the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey — the country’s largest and most reliable crime study — there were 248,300 sexual assaults in 2007 (the most recent data available).

    There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 248,300 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 127 seconds, or about 1 every 2 minutes.

    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

    60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police, according to a statistical average of the past 5 years.2 Those rapists, of course, never spend a day in prison. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail.

  79. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault

    Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.
    Here’s the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey — the country’s largest and most reliable crime study — there were 248,300 sexual assaults in 2007 (the most recent data available).
    There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 248,300 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 127 seconds, or about 1 every 2 minutes.

    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

    60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police, according to a statistical average of the past 5 years.2 Those rapists, of course, never spend a day in prison. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail.

  80. Katfish Avatar

    Sarge –
    Apples and oranges.

    In Arab Muslim countries, perpetrators of violence against women family members are given very light sentences, if any. As I posted above, they use the Koran to excuse their acts.

    Here, those who perpetrate violence against women are rightfully scorned by society.

    We’re by no means perfect, but we’re also a d@mn sight better than the typical Arab Muslim societies.

  81. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Sarge –
    Apples and oranges.
    In Arab Muslim countries, perpetrators of violence against women family members are given very light sentences, if any. As I posted above, they use the Koran to excuse their acts.
    Here, those who perpetrate violence against women are rightfully scorned by society.
    We’re by no means perfect, but we’re also a d@mn sight better than the typical Arab Muslim societies.

  82. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Please support organizations that advocate for women in abusive relationships, such as The Tempura House. (It’s a shelter for lightly battered women.)

    But seriously folks, now that I’ve got your attention, I’d like to point out that not all abuse shows up as bruises or blood, and it is typically difficult to prove a criminal case of abuse until a severe injury occurs. Many women who are eventually battered first travel a long road of isolation at the insistence of a dominant spouse that tries to limit their contacts and communications.

    Many of us probably have an old cell phone or two hanging around the house, and there are plenty of organizations that get them going and discreetly provide them to women in potentially violent abusive situations. Take your pick, and find that old phone, mmmkay?

  83. bob42 Avatar

    Please support organizations that advocate for women in abusive relationships, such as The Tempura House. (It’s a shelter for lightly battered women.)
    But seriously folks, now that I’ve got your attention, I’d like to point out that not all abuse shows up as bruises or blood, and it is typically difficult to prove a criminal case of abuse until a severe injury occurs. Many women who are eventually battered first travel a long road of isolation at the insistence of a dominant spouse that tries to limit their contacts and communications.
    Many of us probably have an old cell phone or two hanging around the house, and there are plenty of organizations that get them going and discreetly provide them to women in potentially violent abusive situations. Take your pick, and find that old phone, mmmkay?

  84. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    If you follow Denninger with any regularity, you’ll be familiar with the term “margin collapse”. Get ready. Whether you’re familiar with the term or not, whether you find finance boring or not, it’s headed your way.

    None of it matters because of The Singularity. We’ve seen that movie. It ends with robots harvesting our bodies for energy.

  85. Hamous Avatar

    If you follow Denninger with any regularity, you’ll be familiar with the term “margin collapse”. Get ready. Whether you’re familiar with the term or not, whether you find finance boring or not, it’s headed your way.

    None of it matters because of The Singularity. We’ve seen that movie. It ends with robots harvesting our bodies for energy.

  86. meglettx Avatar

    This is for Sarge and Shandingo:

    For links, I prefer Krolcyzk’s at FM 359 and Old Hempstead. Best Polish links in Texas. I like the beef and pork, mysellf.

    Try keeping up with that, Surge.

  87. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    This is for Sarge and Shandingo:
    For links, I prefer Krolcyzk’s at FM 359 and Old Hempstead. Best Polish links in Texas. I like the beef and pork, mysellf.
    Try keeping up with that, Surge.

  88. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge –
    Apples and oranges.

    Only because you want it to be. I provided just as much actual proof that violence and sexual attacks on women is at least as prevalent among our culture as you did to prove that its endemic among Muslims.

    In Arab Muslim countries, perpetrators of violence against women family members are given very light sentences, if any. As I posted above, they use the Koran to excuse their acts.

    Actually, what you posted above was this:

    “Wife beating is technically grounds for divorce, but the husband may seek to demonstrate that he has authority from the Koran to correct an irreligious or disobedient wife by striking her

    I just did the same thing you did: bolded the part that supports me.

    Here, those who perpetrate violence against women are rightfully scorned by society. We’re by no means perfect, but we’re also a d@mn sight better than the typical Arab Muslim societies.

    But your original claim was that violence agasinst wonmen was endiemic in the Arab culture, which was the reason Lara Logan should not have even been in the position she found herself in.

    What you’ve proven is that some Muslim men beat their wives. I proved that some American men beat their wives. The only real thing you’ve got going for you is that a higher percentage of Muslim men beat thier wives than American men do.

    But I can also prove that domestic violence is higher in China than it is in the US:

    http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=8671

    Violence against women occurs in all regions in China and affects families of all ethnic backgrounds and social spheres. It impacts not only families, but society as a whole.

    According to a national survey, one-third of the country’s households cope with domestic violenceboth physical and psychological., A survey carried out by the China Law Institute in Gansu, Hunan and Zhejiang provinces found that one-third of surveyed families had witnessed family violence and that 85% of victims were women.

    In fact, I can show you where domestic violence is endemic in Peru, a Christian nation:

    http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/2006/07/25/peru

    According to Reuters, “more than half of all Peruvian women over the age of 15 say they have suffered sexual or physical violence by men during their lifetime.” The United Nations has named Peru one of the most dangerous places for women in Latin America, where the bar is already set high; according to Reuters, the region had the world’s highest number of sexual assaults last year.

    A recent study by Amnesty International and Flora Tristan, a Peruvian organization that works to protect women, found that more than 300 women have been killed in Peru by men committing sexual violence since 2003. It also found that 51 percent of women in Lima and 69 percent of women in Cuzco said they have been the victims of sexual or physical violence.

    snip

    Peru’s warped judicial system and a cultural acceptance of violence against women don’t help. Women who claim to be raped in Peru must prove their innocence before their alleged attackers can be prosecuted; they are asked to answer questions like “Were you dressing sexy?” and “Why you were walking alone so late at night?” And because rape cases take years to prosecute, doctors often decline to testify or confirm that a woman has been sexually attacked.

    If I limited my search to just Mulsim countries, i could make the same point you have. But I can pick just about any other third world country and come up with similar numbers and attitudes.

    Vilolence against women is more of a third world problem than it is an exclusively Muslim one and has more to do with poverty and ignorance than it does with culture and faith.

  89. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Sarge –
    Apples and oranges.

    Only because you want it to be. I provided just as much actual proof that violence and sexual attacks on women is at least as prevalent among our culture as you did to prove that its endemic among Muslims.

    In Arab Muslim countries, perpetrators of violence against women family members are given very light sentences, if any. As I posted above, they use the Koran to excuse their acts.

    Actually, what you posted above was this:

    “Wife beating is technically grounds for divorce, but the husband may seek to demonstrate that he has authority from the Koran to correct an irreligious or disobedient wife by striking her

    I just did the same thing you did: bolded the part that supports me.

    Here, those who perpetrate violence against women are rightfully scorned by society. We’re by no means perfect, but we’re also a d@mn sight better than the typical Arab Muslim societies.

    But your original claim was that violence agasinst wonmen was endiemic in the Arab culture, which was the reason Lara Logan should not have even been in the position she found herself in.
    What you’ve proven is that some Muslim men beat their wives. I proved that some American men beat their wives. The only real thing you’ve got going for you is that a higher percentage of Muslim men beat thier wives than American men do.
    But I can also prove that domestic violence is higher in China than it is in the US:
    http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=8671

    Violence against women occurs in all regions in China and affects families of all ethnic backgrounds and social spheres. It impacts not only families, but society as a whole.
    According to a national survey, one-third of the country’s households cope with domestic violenceboth physical and psychological., A survey carried out by the China Law Institute in Gansu, Hunan and Zhejiang provinces found that one-third of surveyed families had witnessed family violence and that 85% of victims were women.

    In fact, I can show you where domestic violence is endemic in Peru, a Christian nation:
    http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/2006/07/25/peru

    According to Reuters, “more than half of all Peruvian women over the age of 15 say they have suffered sexual or physical violence by men during their lifetime.” The United Nations has named Peru one of the most dangerous places for women in Latin America, where the bar is already set high; according to Reuters, the region had the world’s highest number of sexual assaults last year.
    A recent study by Amnesty International and Flora Tristan, a Peruvian organization that works to protect women, found that more than 300 women have been killed in Peru by men committing sexual violence since 2003. It also found that 51 percent of women in Lima and 69 percent of women in Cuzco said they have been the victims of sexual or physical violence.
    snip
    Peru’s warped judicial system and a cultural acceptance of violence against women don’t help. Women who claim to be raped in Peru must prove their innocence before their alleged attackers can be prosecuted; they are asked to answer questions like “Were you dressing sexy?” and “Why you were walking alone so late at night?” And because rape cases take years to prosecute, doctors often decline to testify or confirm that a woman has been sexually attacked.

    If I limited my search to just Mulsim countries, i could make the same point you have. But I can pick just about any other third world country and come up with similar numbers and attitudes.
    Vilolence against women is more of a third world problem than it is an exclusively Muslim one and has more to do with poverty and ignorance than it does with culture and faith.

  90. Katfish Avatar

    Vilolence against women is more of a third world problem than it is an exclusively Muslim one and has more to do with poverty and ignorance than it does with culture and faith.

    That may be true, but Islam has been shown to be a particularly violent faith that also happens to be misogynistic.

    I have yet to see numerous Lutherans strapping bombs to themselves to go blow up a crowded marketplace, herds of Buddhists burning churches and synagogues, Jews engaging in honor killings and other mutilations of their daughters when they have the nerve to date someone who meets with parental disapproval, or that of her brothers.

  91. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Vilolence against women is more of a third world problem than it is an exclusively Muslim one and has more to do with poverty and ignorance than it does with culture and faith.

    That may be true, but Islam has been shown to be a particularly violent faith that also happens to be misogynistic.
    I have yet to see numerous Lutherans strapping bombs to themselves to go blow up a crowded marketplace, herds of Buddhists burning churches and synagogues, Jews engaging in honor killings and other mutilations of their daughters when they have the nerve to date someone who meets with parental disapproval, or that of her brothers.

  92. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Lawrence
    When are you gonna listen and read the fine print on that drywall? It says “dust unsuitable for snorting”. 🙂

  93. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Lawrence
    When are you gonna listen and read the fine print on that drywall? It says “dust unsuitable for snorting”. 🙂

  94. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    How about some good news for a change of pace?

    Never underestimate the power of a suburban woman driven by passion to make America a better place for her children. Though brutally attacked by leftist bloggers locally and nationally, King Street Patriots founder Catherine Engelbrecht never relented in her quest to clean up the election process in Harris County through the KSP initiative True the Vote. And her efforts, and the efforts of the hundreds of volunteers that believed in her leadership, were rewarded at the Conservative Political Action Conference’s (CPAC’s) 2011 meeting by being named a recipient of the organization’s highest honor, the Ronald Reagan Award.

    http://bigjolly.com/index.php

  95. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    How about some good news for a change of pace?

    Never underestimate the power of a suburban woman driven by passion to make America a better place for her children. Though brutally attacked by leftist bloggers locally and nationally, King Street Patriots founder Catherine Engelbrecht never relented in her quest to clean up the election process in Harris County through the KSP initiative True the Vote. And her efforts, and the efforts of the hundreds of volunteers that believed in her leadership, were rewarded at the Conservative Political Action Conference’s (CPAC’s) 2011 meeting by being named a recipient of the organization’s highest honor, the Ronald Reagan Award.

    http://bigjolly.com/index.php

  96. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    That may be true, but Islam has been shown to be a particularly violent faith that also happens to be misogynistic.

    I have yet to see numerous Lutherans strapping bombs to themselves to go blow up a crowded marketplace, herds of Buddhists burning churches and synagogues, Jews engaging in honor killings and other mutilations of their daughters when they have the nerve to date someone who meets with parental disapproval, or that of her brothers.

    As to Jews or Christians not practicing genital mutilation, I’ll point you to evidence already given:

    Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

    21% of the worlds population is Muslim, 33% Christian.

    If there was a GENERAL prediliction towards violence among those adherants, there would be a great deal more dead from bombings, etc. than there currently are. That there is a higher percentagen of Muslims willing to do violence in thier gods name, I will grant—but will also submit that teh highest instance of this willingness is to be found in the poorest and least educated nations of the planet, and even moreso among nations governed by an autocratic regime.

    The bigger problem is not with the Islamic religion, but with those that use the religion in order to advance thier political agendas as opposed to thier religious ones.

    Poltical Islam is the enemy, not Islam itself.

    The bottom line is that political Islam, in some form, will be a significant factor in much of the Arab world and beyond. US foreign policy must come to grips with this emerging reality. Its approach must reflect an understanding of how contemporary political Islam came about and how democratic governments rooted in its principles will behave.

    Frame our policies or make our war or with the religion, and we will definitely lose. We won in Iraq because we worked within the culture and respected the religion. Petreaus’ strategy in AfPak (if Obama will let him do it) is centered on the same principals—as has the two previous wars with poltical Islam fought in the 20th Century: The Moro Rebellion in the Phillipines and the post WW1 Islamic revolt in the Middle East.

  97. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    That may be true, but Islam has been shown to be a particularly violent faith that also happens to be misogynistic.
    I have yet to see numerous Lutherans strapping bombs to themselves to go blow up a crowded marketplace, herds of Buddhists burning churches and synagogues, Jews engaging in honor killings and other mutilations of their daughters when they have the nerve to date someone who meets with parental disapproval, or that of her brothers.

    As to Jews or Christians not practicing genital mutilation, I’ll point you to evidence already given:

    Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

    21% of the worlds population is Muslim, 33% Christian.
    If there was a GENERAL prediliction towards violence among those adherants, there would be a great deal more dead from bombings, etc. than there currently are. That there is a higher percentagen of Muslims willing to do violence in thier gods name, I will grant—but will also submit that teh highest instance of this willingness is to be found in the poorest and least educated nations of the planet, and even moreso among nations governed by an autocratic regime.
    The bigger problem is not with the Islamic religion, but with those that use the religion in order to advance thier political agendas as opposed to thier religious ones.
    Poltical Islam is the enemy, not Islam itself.

    The bottom line is that political Islam, in some form, will be a significant factor in much of the Arab world and beyond. US foreign policy must come to grips with this emerging reality. Its approach must reflect an understanding of how contemporary political Islam came about and how democratic governments rooted in its principles will behave.

    Frame our policies or make our war or with the religion, and we will definitely lose. We won in Iraq because we worked within the culture and respected the religion. Petreaus’ strategy in AfPak (if Obama will let him do it) is centered on the same principals—as has the two previous wars with poltical Islam fought in the 20th Century: The Moro Rebellion in the Phillipines and the post WW1 Islamic revolt in the Middle East.

  98. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Yea Catherine Engelbrecht and King Street Patriots.

    On Wisconsin–yea Governor Scott Walker and the conservative Wisconsin Lege. At last.

  99. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Yea Catherine Engelbrecht and King Street Patriots.
    On Wisconsin–yea Governor Scott Walker and the conservative Wisconsin Lege. At last.

  100. Katfish Avatar

    As to Jews or Christians not practicing genital mutilation, I’ll point you to evidence already given:

    Where have I mentioned female genital mutilation?

  101. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    As to Jews or Christians not practicing genital mutilation, I’ll point you to evidence already given:

    Where have I mentioned female genital mutilation?

  102. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Thanks for the invite. I appreciate the thought, but would rather have a root canal on a completely healthy tooth.

  103. bob42 Avatar

    Thanks for the invite. I appreciate the thought, but would rather have a root canal on a completely healthy tooth.

  104. El Gordo Avatar

    None of it matters because of The Singularity. We’ve seen that movie. It ends with robots harvesting our bodies for energy.

    Well I guess I know where you’ve been lurking.

    🙂

  105. Dude42 Avatar

    None of it matters because of The Singularity. We’ve seen that movie. It ends with robots harvesting our bodies for energy.

    Well I guess I know where you’ve been lurking.
    🙂

  106. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Soylent Green is people!

    …robots harvesting our bodies for energy

    I enjoyed all The Matrix movies, but they were scientifically flawed in several places. For example, human bodies must consume more energy than they are able to produce.

    I wouldn’t call it artificial “intelligence” but this is a interesting example of technology advancement.

  107. bob42 Avatar

    Soylent Green is people!

    …robots harvesting our bodies for energy

    I enjoyed all The Matrix movies, but they were scientifically flawed in several places. For example, human bodies must consume more energy than they are able to produce.
    I wouldn’t call it artificial “intelligence” but this is a interesting example of technology advancement.

  108. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Where have I mentioned female genital mutilation?

    Have you read the link?

    One more time:

    Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

  109. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Where have I mentioned female genital mutilation?

    Have you read the link?
    One more time:

    Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*

  110. Katfish Avatar

    I understand it was in my link. Where did I make a claim one way or the other?

  111. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I understand it was in my link. Where did I make a claim one way or the other?

  112. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I understand it was in my link. Where did I make a claim one way or the other?

    My apologies.

    What type of mutilation were you talking about, and how prevalent is it in the Muslim world?

  113. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I understand it was in my link. Where did I make a claim one way or the other?

    My apologies.
    What type of mutilation were you talking about, and how prevalent is it in the Muslim world?

  114. Katfish Avatar

    If you read my comment, it’s pretty clear what I was talking about. I even highlighted it.

  115. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    If you read my comment, it’s pretty clear what I was talking about. I even highlighted it.

  116. Hamous Avatar

    #36 Sarge: From the article you linkied:

    “ERIC”: I went home for Christmas, Greg, and all my friend had real jobs. When I told them I worked for Media Matters they were like, what’s that? I told them what my job was, they all felt sorry for me. My old college roommate charity [does] work in Africa and when he found out what I did, he punched me in the face and stole my wallet. My dad wants me to see a doctor, but Soros says my dad is a plant.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/16/red-eye-scores-exclusive-with-eric-of-media-matters/#ixzz1E9WMSz5h

    The highlighted section made me laugh out loud:>) Thanks Sarge

  117. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #36 Sarge: From the article you linkied:

    “ERIC”: I went home for Christmas, Greg, and all my friend had real jobs. When I told them I worked for Media Matters they were like, what’s that? I told them what my job was, they all felt sorry for me. My old college roommate charity [does] work in Africa and when he found out what I did, he punched me in the face and stole my wallet. My dad wants me to see a doctor, but Soros says my dad is a plant.
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/16/red-eye-scores-exclusive-with-eric-of-media-matters/#ixzz1E9WMSz5h

    The highlighted section made me laugh out loud:>) Thanks Sarge

  118. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Ummmm– you mean this part:

    However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    Or is there another?
    Because, I’ve already shown where I can find the same kinds of examples and attitudes in other cultures, including Christian ones.
    Unless you want to claim that the domestic abuse and rape rates in peru are a result of their Christian culture.
    I can find examples in the Bible that condone both violence to, and second class status of women, all I need to do is to go to any Evangelical Atheist websites or blog, and claim that it is proof that what is happening in Peru, or any other third world Christian nation that has similar occurences, it is the Christian beleif system that condones it and that is the reason its as endemic as it is, especially if I provide the examples of the YFZ, Westboro Baptist, and abortion killings—
    Just like you and others are doing with the Koran.
    I’ve said it before. I won’t stand for it when such Biblical passages and perversions of my religion are used to color all Christians, and I would be a hypocrite if I condoned it in others.
    This is not to say that Islam has a long way to go, but right now it is, in general, right where Christianity was about 300 years ago.

  119. Katfish Avatar

    Since you’re being a bit obtuse, I’ll repost the section in question with the original highlights that point out what I was emphasizing.

    In Arab and Islamic countries, domestic violence is not yet considered a major concern despite its increasing frequency and serious consequences. Surveys in Egypt, Palestine, Israel and Tunisia show that at least one out of three women is beaten by her husband. The indifference to this type of violence stems from attitudes that domestic violence is a private matter and, usually, a justifiable response to misbehaviour on the part of the wife. Selective excerpts from the Koran are used to prove that men who beat their wives are following God’s commandments. These religious justifications, plus the importance of preserving the honour of the family, lead abusers, victims, police and health care professionals to join in a conspiracy of silence rather than disclosing these offences. However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    Again, show me where I made any comment about mutilation, female genital or otherwise. I am clearly pointing out that Arab Muslims don’t consider violence against women a big deal and tend to use the Koran to justify it.

    I included a bit more of the source material than I was specifically commenting on to provide a little bit of context.

  120. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Since you’re being a bit obtuse, I’ll repost the section in question with the original highlights that point out what I was emphasizing.

    In Arab and Islamic countries, domestic violence is not yet considered a major concern despite its increasing frequency and serious consequences. Surveys in Egypt, Palestine, Israel and Tunisia show that at least one out of three women is beaten by her husband. The indifference to this type of violence stems from attitudes that domestic violence is a private matter and, usually, a justifiable response to misbehaviour on the part of the wife. Selective excerpts from the Koran are used to prove that men who beat their wives are following God’s commandments. These religious justifications, plus the importance of preserving the honour of the family, lead abusers, victims, police and health care professionals to join in a conspiracy of silence rather than disclosing these offences. However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    Again, show me where I made any comment about mutilation, female genital or otherwise. I am clearly pointing out that Arab Muslims don’t consider violence against women a big deal and tend to use the Koran to justify it.
    I included a bit more of the source material than I was specifically commenting on to provide a little bit of context.

  121. Hamous Avatar

    #61 Sarge:

    This is not to say that Islam has a long way to go, but right now it is, in general, right where Christianity was about 300 years ago.

    Honor killings were never condoned by any Christian church I am aware of at any time.
    Islam now is close to where the Catholic church was during the Spanish Inquisition; Islam seems stuck there.

  122. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #61 Sarge:

    This is not to say that Islam has a long way to go, but right now it is, in general, right where Christianity was about 300 years ago.

    Honor killings were never condoned by any Christian church I am aware of at any time.
    Islam now is close to where the Catholic church was during the Spanish Inquisition; Islam seems stuck there.

  123. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

  124. SC Avatar
    SC

    I knew Obumbler has bowed to world leaders but I didn’t know he was a serial bower.

    Wish he would just bow out.

  125. SC Avatar
    SC

    I knew Obumbler has bowed to world leaders but I didn’t know he was a serial bower.

    Wish he would just bow out.

  126. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Since you’re being a bit obtuse, I’ll repost the section in question with the original highlights that point out what I was emphasizing.

    In Arab and Islamic countries, domestic violence is not yet considered a major concern despite its increasing frequency and serious consequences. Surveys in Egypt, Palestine, Israel and Tunisia show that at least one out of three women is beaten by her husband. The indifference to this type of violence stems from attitudes that domestic violence is a private matter and, usually, a justifiable response to misbehaviour on the part of the wife. Selective excerpts from the Koran are used to prove that men who beat their wives are following God’s commandments. These religious justifications, plus the importance of preserving the honour of the family, lead abusers, victims, police and health care professionals to join in a conspiracy of silence rather than disclosing these offences. However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    Again, show me where I made any comment about mutilation, female genital or otherwise. I am clearly pointing out that Arab Muslims don’t consider violence against women a big deal and tend to use the Koran to justify it.

    See the part that’s bolded in the post of yours I copied above?

    That’s where you mentioned genital mutilation.

    You’re not even reading your own posts, dude.

  127. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Since you’re being a bit obtuse, I’ll repost the section in question with the original highlights that point out what I was emphasizing.

    In Arab and Islamic countries, domestic violence is not yet considered a major concern despite its increasing frequency and serious consequences. Surveys in Egypt, Palestine, Israel and Tunisia show that at least one out of three women is beaten by her husband. The indifference to this type of violence stems from attitudes that domestic violence is a private matter and, usually, a justifiable response to misbehaviour on the part of the wife. Selective excerpts from the Koran are used to prove that men who beat their wives are following God’s commandments. These religious justifications, plus the importance of preserving the honour of the family, lead abusers, victims, police and health care professionals to join in a conspiracy of silence rather than disclosing these offences. However, a fair reading of the Koran shows that wife abuse, like genital mutilation and “honour killings” are a result of culture rather than religion.

    Again, show me where I made any comment about mutilation, female genital or otherwise. I am clearly pointing out that Arab Muslims don’t consider violence against women a big deal and tend to use the Koran to justify it.

    See the part that’s bolded in the post of yours I copied above?
    That’s where you mentioned genital mutilation.
    You’re not even reading your own posts, dude.

  128. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #66 🙂

  129. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #66 🙂

  130. Katfish Avatar

    Again, it was mentioned in the excerpt I posted. I never commented on that aspect. By your strange logic (or lack thereof), by including that, I am actually agreeing with your premise regarding mutilation, genital, female.

    Try to pay attention and keep up with the tour group.

    And we’re walking….

  131. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Again, it was mentioned in the excerpt I posted. I never commented on that aspect. By your strange logic (or lack thereof), by including that, I am actually agreeing with your premise regarding mutilation, genital, female.
    Try to pay attention and keep up with the tour group.
    And we’re walking….

  132. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Honor killings were never condoned by any Christian church I am aware of at any time.
    Islam now is close to where the Catholic church was during the Spanish Inquisition; Islam seems stuck there.

    Like I said.

    All I need do is go to some Evangelical Atheist website and I’ll find some.

    Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

    “And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”

    “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”

    The odious conclusion this terdnozzle comes to isx eerily similar to some claims made here regarding Islam:

    So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he can’t be God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma.

    In every religion there are dichotomies that exist, there are interpretations that are extreme, and there are passages in thier divine literature that can show whatever the person hostile to it wants it to show.

  133. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Honor killings were never condoned by any Christian church I am aware of at any time.
    Islam now is close to where the Catholic church was during the Spanish Inquisition; Islam seems stuck there.

    Like I said.
    All I need do is go to some Evangelical Atheist website and I’ll find some.

    Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

    “And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”

    “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”

    The odious conclusion this terdnozzle comes to isx eerily similar to some claims made here regarding Islam:

    So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he can’t be God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma.

    In every religion there are dichotomies that exist, there are interpretations that are extreme, and there are passages in thier divine literature that can show whatever the person hostile to it wants it to show.

  134. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And we’re walking….

    ROFLOL

  135. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    And we’re walking….
    ROFLOL

  136. Katfish Avatar

    In every religion there are dichotomies that exist, there are interpretations that are extreme, and there are passages in thier divine literature that can show whatever the person hostile to it wants it to show.

    When’s the last time you saw a news story about a Lutheran who killed his sister or daughter because she wanted to date a Presbyterian?

  137. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    In every religion there are dichotomies that exist, there are interpretations that are extreme, and there are passages in thier divine literature that can show whatever the person hostile to it wants it to show.

    When’s the last time you saw a news story about a Lutheran who killed his sister or daughter because she wanted to date a Presbyterian?

  138. Tedtam Avatar

    Okay, it’s been fun,but I am off to run some errands and then I must teach my religious faith to a room full of mushy brained teenagers.

    I shall try to avoid the topics of genital mutilation, honor killings, domestic violence, and the dark topics of that ilk.

  139. Tedtam Avatar

    Okay, it’s been fun,but I am off to run some errands and then I must teach my religious faith to a room full of mushy brained teenagers.
    I shall try to avoid the topics of genital mutilation, honor killings, domestic violence, and the dark topics of that ilk.

  140. Tedtam Avatar

    Although I have one student who is exceptionally interested in Buddhism and even more so in the “snake church,” where members handle snakes as part of their worship.

    For him, I have duck tape for the mouth.

    For Miss Bag of Chips and her friend, I have duck tape for the hands.

  141. Tedtam Avatar

    Although I have one student who is exceptionally interested in Buddhism and even more so in the “snake church,” where members handle snakes as part of their worship.
    For him, I have duck tape for the mouth.
    For Miss Bag of Chips and her friend, I have duck tape for the hands.

  142. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #74 Good luck with that.

    For Miss Bag of Chips and her friend, I have duck tape for the hands.

    There are somethings that even duck tape can not contain. However, the kids should restrain such activities to appropriate places.

    I’ll probably ditch choir practice tonight. I have more pots on the work stove than I can stir, and didn’t get to visit mom yet today. But I won’t ditch the pre-rehearsal snacks and brews at BJ’s. Adopted ‘lil sister and me are likely to be joined a very talented tenor (unlike me) yet another soprano, and the bass dude that’s been coming for a few weeks now.

    I really need to find an alto.

  143. bob42 Avatar

    #74 Good luck with that.

    For Miss Bag of Chips and her friend, I have duck tape for the hands.

    There are somethings that even duck tape can not contain. However, the kids should restrain such activities to appropriate places.
    I’ll probably ditch choir practice tonight. I have more pots on the work stove than I can stir, and didn’t get to visit mom yet today. But I won’t ditch the pre-rehearsal snacks and brews at BJ’s. Adopted ‘lil sister and me are likely to be joined a very talented tenor (unlike me) yet another soprano, and the bass dude that’s been coming for a few weeks now.
    I really need to find an alto.

  144. SC Avatar
    SC

    You could change the tenor. But that goes back to some of the discussion here today.

  145. SC Avatar
    SC

    You could change the tenor. But that goes back to some of the discussion here today.

  146. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    72 wagon
    We Lutherans are very cagey.

  147. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    72 wagon
    We Lutherans are very cagey.

  148. meglettx Avatar

    I know bob420 is full of shiite now.

    “There are somethings that even duck tape cannot contain.”

    Name one.

  149. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    I know bob420 is full of shiite now.
    “There are somethings that even duck tape cannot contain.”
    Name one.

  150. Katfish Avatar

    “There are somethings that even duck tape cannot contain.”

    Name one.

    A woman scorned.

  151. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    “There are somethings that even duck tape cannot contain.”
    Name one.

    A woman scorned.

  152. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    #78 –

    “There are somethings that even duck tape cannot contain.”

    Name one.

    WD-40 Natch!!!!

    MEGASNIKKER™

  153. Katfish Avatar

    #78 –

    “There are somethings that even duck tape cannot contain.”
    Name one.

    WD-40 Natch!!!!
    MEGASNIKKER™

  154. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #34 Sarge

    In fact, I can provide information that it is practiced more by non-Arab Africans than it is by Arabs.

    Come on, Sarge, those black Africans where 80% of the women have FGM are MUSLIMS!!!! And I have seen stats that 80% of the married women in Eqypt have FGM also. Maybe the original primitive ideas to subjugate women came from Arab culture, but they are now disseminated worldwide by the MUSLIM religion.

  155. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #34 Sarge

    In fact, I can provide information that it is practiced more by non-Arab Africans than it is by Arabs.

    Come on, Sarge, those black Africans where 80% of the women have FGM are MUSLIMS!!!! And I have seen stats that 80% of the married women in Eqypt have FGM also. Maybe the original primitive ideas to subjugate women came from Arab culture, but they are now disseminated worldwide by the MUSLIM religion.

  156. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    78
    A liber-al-tarian

  157. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    78
    A liber-al-tarian

  158. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #4;

    Its the sound you make when sliding down the bannister with no clothes on.

    Yopu WILL remember to wash the bannister, won’t you? 🙂

  159. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #4;

    Its the sound you make when sliding down the bannister with no clothes on.

    Yopu WILL remember to wash the bannister, won’t you? 🙂

  160. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    #82

    That time again, be overnitin’ Sunday at the park along the wall on 529 from entry gate to N Amtrhor Street. Drop round for a visit.

  161. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    #82
    That time again, be overnitin’ Sunday at the park along the wall on 529 from entry gate to N Amtrhor Street. Drop round for a visit.

  162. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I refudiate the notion that civilized Christians anywhere in the world practise FGM. I did a bit of googling and only found one reference to it occurring among “Christians” and that was in SUDAN. The following quote only applies to SUDAN.

    It is practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and members of indigenous African religions.

    http://www.alanguttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2707101.html#7a

  163. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    I refudiate the notion that civilized Christians anywhere in the world practise FGM. I did a bit of googling and only found one reference to it occurring among “Christians” and that was in SUDAN. The following quote only applies to SUDAN.

    It is practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and members of indigenous African religions.

    http://www.alanguttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2707101.html#7a

  164. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #63;

    Islam now is close to where the Catholic church was during the Spanish Inquisition; Islam seems stuck there.

    Must explain their fetish for crucifixes.

  165. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #63;

    Islam now is close to where the Catholic church was during the Spanish Inquisition; Islam seems stuck there.

    Must explain their fetish for crucifixes.

  166. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #47;

    I have yet to see numerous Lutherans strapping bombs to themselves to go blow up a crowded marketplace…

    And doing so whikle shouting, “God is greast!” in their best German.

  167. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    #47;

    I have yet to see numerous Lutherans strapping bombs to themselves to go blow up a crowded marketplace…

    And doing so whikle shouting, “God is greast!” in their best German.

  168. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    As for the female abuse, any person, but let’s isolate the male speciies for this, and yes, it absolutely includes me…If any man sets out to beat Mrs. Darren, he’s liable to get his xchest riddled with holes.

    Dang, I love that woman.

  169. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    As for the female abuse, any person, but let’s isolate the male speciies for this, and yes, it absolutely includes me…If any man sets out to beat Mrs. Darren, he’s liable to get his xchest riddled with holes.
    Dang, I love that woman.

  170. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Well…..at least it’s a new dead horse.

  171. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Well…..at least it’s a new dead horse.

  172. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In the wake of Egypt’s “fall”, one must keep a vigilant eye on the Muslim Brotherhood. Ron Radosh wrote an excellent piece on Pajamas Media regarding the reality of the MB and out current crop of liberal elite journalists not getting it.

    That is a way of dealing with evidence that seems to be par for course for a new group of useful idiots who apologize for radical Islam the way fellow travelers used to apologize for Stalinism. They prefer to ignore what Stephens points to: “Eight decades as a disciplined, underground organization, outwardly involved in charitable social work, have made them experts at tailoring messages to separate audiences.” While the MB might sound moderate by the standards of Western society, Stephens adds, they are hardly “moderate by Western standards.”

    Writing today on his blog at World Affairs Journal, Josh Muravchik notes that the problem is that so many administration analysts are “dominated by left-liberal ideologues [so] that too little rigorous analysis takes place.” He proceeds to go through the MB’s record to show its heritage of violence and its goal of creating an Islamist state, refuting the now discredited statement of NID James Clapper that the Brotherhood is “secular.” He reaches the sad conclusion that evidently “our intelligence analysts believe their main mission is to protect the world from benighted Americans who feel uneasy about radical Islam.”

    In other words, damn the facts. But for those who prefer to assess the situation by dealing with reality, no better source exists than an article in Germany’s Der Spiegel, whose editors had the good sense to seek out the voice of the Brotherhood in Egypt and to carry out an interview with him. He is Youssef al-Qaradawi, the Muslim televangelist whose program Sharia and Life has been the no.1 hit on Al Jazeera for the past fifteen years. We are talking about a man who knew the Koran by heart by the time he was ten years old. It is not surprising that his weekly audience numbers 60 million Muslims each week!

    Glenn Beck’s featured Youssef al-Qaradawi for over a week so I’ve become familiar with the man’s rants. Creepy but all too typical for Middle Eastern Muslims.

    Read the article, it has a very good take on today’s lack of media prowl around Islamic radicalism in order to dig in and find out what Islamists are all about.

    The Real Face of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Delusions of Its Supporters

  173. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In the wake of Egypt’s “fall”, one must keep a vigilant eye on the Muslim Brotherhood. Ron Radosh wrote an excellent piece on Pajamas Media regarding the reality of the MB and out current crop of liberal elite journalists not getting it.

    That is a way of dealing with evidence that seems to be par for course for a new group of useful idiots who apologize for radical Islam the way fellow travelers used to apologize for Stalinism. They prefer to ignore what Stephens points to: “Eight decades as a disciplined, underground organization, outwardly involved in charitable social work, have made them experts at tailoring messages to separate audiences.” While the MB might sound moderate by the standards of Western society, Stephens adds, they are hardly “moderate by Western standards.”
    Writing today on his blog at World Affairs Journal, Josh Muravchik notes that the problem is that so many administration analysts are “dominated by left-liberal ideologues [so] that too little rigorous analysis takes place.” He proceeds to go through the MB’s record to show its heritage of violence and its goal of creating an Islamist state, refuting the now discredited statement of NID James Clapper that the Brotherhood is “secular.” He reaches the sad conclusion that evidently “our intelligence analysts believe their main mission is to protect the world from benighted Americans who feel uneasy about radical Islam.”
    In other words, damn the facts. But for those who prefer to assess the situation by dealing with reality, no better source exists than an article in Germany’s Der Spiegel, whose editors had the good sense to seek out the voice of the Brotherhood in Egypt and to carry out an interview with him. He is Youssef al-Qaradawi, the Muslim televangelist whose program Sharia and Life has been the no.1 hit on Al Jazeera for the past fifteen years. We are talking about a man who knew the Koran by heart by the time he was ten years old. It is not surprising that his weekly audience numbers 60 million Muslims each week!

    Glenn Beck’s featured Youssef al-Qaradawi for over a week so I’ve become familiar with the man’s rants. Creepy but all too typical for Middle Eastern Muslims.
    Read the article, it has a very good take on today’s lack of media prowl around Islamic radicalism in order to dig in and find out what Islamists are all about.
    The Real Face of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Delusions of Its Supporters

  174. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    84 Cbr
    Thanks for the invite, sir. Have a safe ride. Hope to see you on the other side of the wall. When Texpat and I were kids, we’d run flat out on top of that wall pretending it was a moving train we were robbing or saving. 🙂

  175. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    84 Cbr
    Thanks for the invite, sir. Have a safe ride. Hope to see you on the other side of the wall. When Texpat and I were kids, we’d run flat out on top of that wall pretending it was a moving train we were robbing or saving. 🙂

  176. El Gordo Avatar

    Well…..at least it’s a new dead horse.

    A mutilated mare perhaps?

  177. Dude42 Avatar

    Well…..at least it’s a new dead horse.

    A mutilated mare perhaps?

  178. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    How are you doing, Darren?

  179. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    How are you doing, Darren?

  180. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    Well…..at least it’s a new dead horse.

    I wish y’all would quit killin my hoss. I’m gettin tired of using the bunches of them unused kitty lives to keep him going.

  181. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    Well…..at least it’s a new dead horse.

    I wish y’all would quit killin my hoss. I’m gettin tired of using the bunches of them unused kitty lives to keep him going.

  182. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Darren
    I rarely catch Dennis Miller on the radio but did so yesterday and a caller was discussing his experiences with TIAs, which started am entire segment or two of discussion/callers about stroke. The one caller’s description of her experience mirrored yours.

  183. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Darren
    I rarely catch Dennis Miller on the radio but did so yesterday and a caller was discussing his experiences with TIAs, which started am entire segment or two of discussion/callers about stroke. The one caller’s description of her experience mirrored yours.

  184. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon;

    I’m doing great, thanks for asking. Tomorrow will be one week soda free for me. I’ve also (cover wagonburner’s ears) abstained from bacon thus far. While I don’t plan at all from never indulging in bacon ever again (you can uncover wagon’s ears now), I think colas, Mountain Dew, etc. have seen its final days in my tummy. If I drink sodas it’ll be “softer” stuff like Sprite, Crush, etc. But for the time being I’m enjoying my abstinance. Mrs. Darren and the kids have been huge helps for me as well.

    Yeah, I’ve run into more and more info on TIAs and while, from my understanding, are not dangerous in and of themselves they can be a precursor to full-blown strokes which are not good and I would hate to have to live a more of a debilitating life than I was given at birth. Truth be told, I’m comfortable in concluding that if I live life according to the goodness the Lord’s provided and eat well, I think my health will be assured.

    Thanks for asking again. It’s good to know people like you are out there that care.

  185. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Shannon;
    I’m doing great, thanks for asking. Tomorrow will be one week soda free for me. I’ve also (cover wagonburner’s ears) abstained from bacon thus far. While I don’t plan at all from never indulging in bacon ever again (you can uncover wagon’s ears now), I think colas, Mountain Dew, etc. have seen its final days in my tummy. If I drink sodas it’ll be “softer” stuff like Sprite, Crush, etc. But for the time being I’m enjoying my abstinance. Mrs. Darren and the kids have been huge helps for me as well.
    Yeah, I’ve run into more and more info on TIAs and while, from my understanding, are not dangerous in and of themselves they can be a precursor to full-blown strokes which are not good and I would hate to have to live a more of a debilitating life than I was given at birth. Truth be told, I’m comfortable in concluding that if I live life according to the goodness the Lord’s provided and eat well, I think my health will be assured.
    Thanks for asking again. It’s good to know people like you are out there that care.

  186. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Darren, I think everyone who lurks on Hammy’s Couch was 1) stunned to hear your news, then 2) glad you are OK, and finally 3) hopes that your medication and dietary changes will get you past this episode. I can’t even imagine what your wife and those kids with the great names would do without you.

  187. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Darren, I think everyone who lurks on Hammy’s Couch was 1) stunned to hear your news, then 2) glad you are OK, and finally 3) hopes that your medication and dietary changes will get you past this episode. I can’t even imagine what your wife and those kids with the great names would do without you.

  188. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Liberal foreign policy naivity:
    Step 1: Speak nice of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Step 2: Speak mean about the Israeli’s.
    Step 3: Expect a happier world.

    Report: U.S. to join UN Security Council statement rebuking Israel over settlements

  189. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Liberal foreign policy naivity:
    Step 1: Speak nice of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Step 2: Speak mean about the Israeli’s.
    Step 3: Expect a happier world.
    Report: U.S. to join UN Security Council statement rebuking Israel over settlements

  190. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I can’t even imagine what your wife and those kids with the great names would do without you.

    Couldn’t give Dad hugs when he comes home. 🙁

    Thanks for the message of love with a compliment to the family. We are (the family unit) very blessed to have one another. My oldest son just got accepted to a Math/Science magnet middle school. He’ll thrive in that environment. Very exciting.

  191. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I can’t even imagine what your wife and those kids with the great names would do without you.

    Couldn’t give Dad hugs when he comes home. 🙁
    Thanks for the message of love with a compliment to the family. We are (the family unit) very blessed to have one another. My oldest son just got accepted to a Math/Science magnet middle school. He’ll thrive in that environment. Very exciting.

  192. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    This one’s for bob (emphasis mine);

    Liberals tend to set up equality as the highest good. Equality is the end goal of most liberal policy. The conservative asks, “Why does that idea become valued over all others?” Equality is certainly good, but as a highest end and goal, it can lead to devastating consequences.

    Likewise, the pure libertarian (as opposed to those of us who have some libertarian leanings) sets up liberty as the highest good. Liberty is the end goal of all policy. The conservative looks to the libertarian and asks, “Why does that idea become valued over all others?” Liberty is obviously a great good, but as the highest end goal, it can also lead to devastating consequences.

    The conservative argues that the greatest instructor on what laws should exist in a civil society is human experience. So, it would seem libertarianism hits its own walls when it ventures out of its world of make-believe theories and steps into the world of reality.

    (sip)

    Benjamin Wiker, an author and Catholic ethicist, asserts that “libertarianism is parasitic upon Christian civilization.” He means that libertarians take for granted the social order of our current society but ignore the moral foundations of that social order. This order is the product of the accumulated moral wisdom of society — a bond that is not immune to being destroyed when we become unmoored from these traditional values.

    Nails it!

    There’s more goodness in Matt Lewis’ observation on conservatism:

    Alternatively, traditional conservatives believe the rise and success of Western society was not merely a lucky accident or the result of a couple Enlightenment period thunderbolts, but rather the product of diligent work, trial and error, and human experience — and in may ways the result of Christian civilization.

    As such, they argue that preserving a strong moral order — an order that took shape over millennia — is vitally important to a functioning society (including a functioning economic system).

    The fact that we have a nation where contracts are honored — where civilized men don’t descend into the anarchy or the “law of the jungle,” where payola and murder are acceptable norms — was not a foregone conclusion but rather the product of a society that was carefully cultivated for centuries.

    The late Harvard legal scholar Harold Berman noted that our legal system is a “secular residue of religious attitudes and assumptions which historically found expression first in the liturgy and rituals and doctrine of the church and thereafter in the institutions and concepts and values of the law. When these historical roots are not understood, many parts of the law appear to lack any underlying source of validity.”

    In some ways, this is humbling, inasmuch as it argues that Western civilization is not great because its people were inherently superior but that it evolved over centuries because its ideas were based on recognizing the realities of human nature.

    The Case for Conservatism (vs. Libertarianism)

  193. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    This one’s for bob (emphasis mine);

    Liberals tend to set up equality as the highest good. Equality is the end goal of most liberal policy. The conservative asks, “Why does that idea become valued over all others?” Equality is certainly good, but as a highest end and goal, it can lead to devastating consequences.
    Likewise, the pure libertarian (as opposed to those of us who have some libertarian leanings) sets up liberty as the highest good. Liberty is the end goal of all policy. The conservative looks to the libertarian and asks, “Why does that idea become valued over all others?” Liberty is obviously a great good, but as the highest end goal, it can also lead to devastating consequences.
    The conservative argues that the greatest instructor on what laws should exist in a civil society is human experience. So, it would seem libertarianism hits its own walls when it ventures out of its world of make-believe theories and steps into the world of reality.
    (sip)
    Benjamin Wiker, an author and Catholic ethicist, asserts that “libertarianism is parasitic upon Christian civilization.” He means that libertarians take for granted the social order of our current society but ignore the moral foundations of that social order. This order is the product of the accumulated moral wisdom of society — a bond that is not immune to being destroyed when we become unmoored from these traditional values.

    Nails it!
    There’s more goodness in Matt Lewis’ observation on conservatism:

    Alternatively, traditional conservatives believe the rise and success of Western society was not merely a lucky accident or the result of a couple Enlightenment period thunderbolts, but rather the product of diligent work, trial and error, and human experience — and in may ways the result of Christian civilization.
    As such, they argue that preserving a strong moral order — an order that took shape over millennia — is vitally important to a functioning society (including a functioning economic system).
    The fact that we have a nation where contracts are honored — where civilized men don’t descend into the anarchy or the “law of the jungle,” where payola and murder are acceptable norms — was not a foregone conclusion but rather the product of a society that was carefully cultivated for centuries.
    The late Harvard legal scholar Harold Berman noted that our legal system is a “secular residue of religious attitudes and assumptions which historically found expression first in the liturgy and rituals and doctrine of the church and thereafter in the institutions and concepts and values of the law. When these historical roots are not understood, many parts of the law appear to lack any underlying source of validity.”
    In some ways, this is humbling, inasmuch as it argues that Western civilization is not great because its people were inherently superior but that it evolved over centuries because its ideas were based on recognizing the realities of human nature.

    The Case for Conservatism (vs. Libertarianism)

  194. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My self-imposed bed time has come about so it’s time to retire.

    G’night all.

  195. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    My self-imposed bed time has come about so it’s time to retire.
    G’night all.

  196. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Sleep well, Darren, and God bless you and your family.

  197. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Sleep well, Darren, and God bless you and your family.

  198. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Darren, I’m glad you’re feeling better. Take good care of yourself and stay out of my stash, be it coffee or otherwise.

    I never told my own religion, nor scrutinized that of another. I never attempted to make a convert, nor wished to change another’s creed.

    – Thomas Jefferson

  199. bob42 Avatar

    Darren, I’m glad you’re feeling better. Take good care of yourself and stay out of my stash, be it coffee or otherwise.

    I never told my own religion, nor scrutinized that of another. I never attempted to make a convert, nor wished to change another’s creed.
    – Thomas Jefferson

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