Thursday Egyptian Open Comments

I ran across a very interesting article at The American Thinker about the recent events in Egypt. It was written by an Egyptian student and gives an entirely different perspective on things.

One week ago, Egypt was a stable authoritarian regime, prospects of change were minimal and every expert in Washington would have betted on the endurance of its regime. Today, Egypt is in a state of chaos. The regime, even after using its mightiest sword is not able to control the country and the streets of Egypt are in a state of utter lawlessness. As the world stands in awe, confusion, and worry at the unfolding events, perhaps it is important to write the evolving story that is happening in Egypt before any reflections can be made on them.

He goes on to talk about how social media helped spread the desire for demonstrations, which were initially likely to be very small – a few hundred of the “usual suspects” at most. One of the organizers claimed the crowds were much larger than that, which the state-run media denied, but nobody believed since they were typically a mouthpiece for the regime.
That and the events in Tunisia a few days earlier gave many, many people the courage to take to the streets. From there the situation deteriorated and a state of lawlessness ensued, which has caused the people to lose a great deal of confidence in the state.

The [second] day the demonstrations continued with a promise of a return on Friday the 28th after Friday Prayers in Mosques. The regime started panicking at this moment. This was simply something they did not understand. Imagine for a second Mubarak’s advisors trying to explain to the 83 year old dictator what twitter is in the first place. What was more worrying for them was that the only real force in Egyptian politics, the Muslim Brotherhood, announced its intention of joining the demonstrations. Suddenly they were faced with the prospect of hundreds of thousands of demonstrators from every Mosque in the country. They acted as every panicking authoritarian regime would act. They acted stupidly.

He goes on to describe how the state stumbled and lurched from one position to another, never getting things right. He clarifies what we are seeing on our TV’s and says things are not as they seem to outsiders.

Today the Egyptians are scared. They have been given a glimpse of hell and they don’t like what they see. Contrary to Al Jazeera’s propaganda, the Egyptian masses are not demonstrating anymore. They are protecting their homes and families. The demonstration last night had 5,000 political activists participating and not 150,000 as Al Jazeera insists. At this moment, no one outside of those political activists cares less now if the President will resign or not. They have more important concerns now; security and food.

He ends up discussing the socio-economic conditions in Egypt in the past several years that led up to the recent turmoil, then he talks about where he thinks this will lead. His prediction is vague (of necessity; nobody really knows what will happen), but somewhat cautiously optimistic.

Politically, the army will aim at returning to the pre-Gamal ruling formula. People will be appeased by raising salaries and increasing subsidies with the hope of silencing them. Will it be enough? That is doubtful. The Egyptians have realized for the first time that the regime is not as strong as it looked a week ago. If the army did not stop them, how will they ever be silenced? Moreover they are greatly empowered. Egyptians today feel pride in themselves. They have protected their neighborhoods and done what the army has failed to do. This empowerment will not be crushed easily.

He doesn’t have any confidence in any of the existing opposition groups, especially El Baradei, for whom he has great disdain.

You seem to wonder after all of this where El Baradei and the Egyptian opposition are. CNN’s anointed leader of the Egyptian Revolution must be important to the future of Egypt. Hardly! Outside of Western media hype, El Baradei is nothing. A man that has spent less than 30 days in the past year in Egypt and hardly any time in the past 20 years is a nobody. It is entirely insulting to Egyptians to suggest otherwise. The opposition you wonder? Outside of the Muslim Brotherhood we are discussing groups that can each claim less than 5,000 actual members. With no organization, no ideas, and no leaders they are entirely irrelevant to the discussion. It is the apolitical young generation that has suddenly been transformed that is the real question here.
Where Egypt will go from here is an enigma. In a sense everything will be the same. The army that has ruled Egypt since 1952 will continue to rule it and the country will still suffer from a huge vacuum of ideas and real political alternatives. On the other hand, it will never be the same again. Once empowered, the Egyptians will not accept the status quo for long.

It’s a good read.

Comments

199 responses to “Thursday Egyptian Open Comments”

  1. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Pole!

  2. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Rolling blackouts to begin again at 7, gotta hurry and get done what needs to be done with power.

  3. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Rolling blackouts to begin again at 7, gotta hurry and get done what needs to be done with power.

  4. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    A most auspicious anniversary:

    Today, in 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified. The amendment authorized the collection of the income tax. Thank you Democrat Woodrow Wilson!

  5. Hamous Avatar

    A most auspicious anniversary:

    Today, in 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified. The amendment authorized the collection of the income tax. Thank you Democrat Woodrow Wilson!

  6. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Mexico supplies electricity to wintry Texas.

    Mexico’s Federal Electricity Commission “was determined to support Texas with electrical energy faced with the problems the state is suffering due to climatological conditions,” a statement said.

    An energy transfer of 280 megawatts began at midday (1800 GMT) via the north Mexican border cities of Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa and Piedras Negras, it added.

    Mornin’ Gang

  7. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Mexico supplies electricity to wintry Texas.

    Mexico’s Federal Electricity Commission “was determined to support Texas with electrical energy faced with the problems the state is suffering due to climatological conditions,” a statement said.
    An energy transfer of 280 megawatts began at midday (1800 GMT) via the north Mexican border cities of Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa and Piedras Negras, it added.

    Mornin’ Gang

  8. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    A little more information is required on the 16th Amendment:

    • William Howard Taft first proposed a federal income tax in an address to congress in June of 1909
    • The text of an amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by Senator Norris Brown of Nebraska.
    • The amendment proposal finally accepted was Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, introduced by Senator Nelson Aldrich of Rhode Island
    • On July 12, 1909, the resolution proposing the Sixteenth Amendment was passed by the Sixty-first Congress and submitted to the state legislatures.

    All of the above were Republican.

    42 states (including Texas) ratified the amendment. Three states rejected it. Three states – Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia – never even considered it.

  9. Hamous Avatar

    A little more information is required on the 16th Amendment:

    • William Howard Taft first proposed a federal income tax in an address to congress in June of 1909
    • The text of an amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by Senator Norris Brown of Nebraska.
    • The amendment proposal finally accepted was Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, introduced by Senator Nelson Aldrich of Rhode Island
    • On July 12, 1909, the resolution proposing the Sixteenth Amendment was passed by the Sixty-first Congress and submitted to the state legislatures.

    All of the above were Republican.
    42 states (including Texas) ratified the amendment. Three states rejected it. Three states – Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia – never even considered it.

  10. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said late this morning that a broken pipe and a frozen pipe at two Central Texas electric generating plants helped trigger a statewide power emergency that forced rolling blackouts in Austin and across Texas.

    What I wanna know is what kind of penny-ante outfit are these guys running? Electricity-generating units supplying power to the grid goes down because of frozen pipes? Are you kidding me???

  11. Hamous Avatar

    Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said late this morning that a broken pipe and a frozen pipe at two Central Texas electric generating plants helped trigger a statewide power emergency that forced rolling blackouts in Austin and across Texas.

    What I wanna know is what kind of penny-ante outfit are these guys running? Electricity-generating units supplying power to the grid goes down because of frozen pipes? Are you kidding me???

  12. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Hambone

    What I wanna know is what kind of penny-ante outfit are these guys running? Electricity-generating units supplying power to the grid goes down because of frozen pipes? Are you kidding me???

    I heard that yesterday and wondered the SAME thing!

  13. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Hambone

    What I wanna know is what kind of penny-ante outfit are these guys running? Electricity-generating units supplying power to the grid goes down because of frozen pipes? Are you kidding me???

    I heard that yesterday and wondered the SAME thing!

  14. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    The evil authoritarian Christian commercial rejected by Fox for the Superbowl:

  15. Hamous Avatar

    The evil authoritarian Christian commercial rejected by Fox for the Superbowl:

  16. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    #8 Hambone, so even Fox has become so politically correct it can’t air a clean commercial?!? I’m speechless!
    Beam me up Scotty, there is NO INTELLIGENT life here!!!!!

  17. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    #8 Hambone, so even Fox has become so politically correct it can’t air a clean commercial?!? I’m speechless!
    Beam me up Scotty, there is NO INTELLIGENT life here!!!!!

  18. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #8 Hamous:

    Those evil, social conservative, authoritarian people at Fox are probably against legalizing drugs too. Is there no hope for us anywhere? How will we survive with the man’s foot on our throat?

  19. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #8 Hamous:
    Those evil, social conservative, authoritarian people at Fox are probably against legalizing drugs too. Is there no hope for us anywhere? How will we survive with the man’s foot on our throat?

  20. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Do you really believe that BS about frozen pipes causing power shortages? Come on – didn’t anyone know it was going to get cold? No, I think it’s welcome to Obamaville.

  21. El Gordo Avatar

    Do you really believe that BS about frozen pipes causing power shortages? Come on – didn’t anyone know it was going to get cold? No, I think it’s welcome to Obamaville.

  22. Hamous Avatar

    To my fellow “warmers” of Hammie’s Couch: Please be advised that there is really no such thing as a “moderate” moooooslim. One of the stated goal of Islam is global domination and global sharia law – period, no other questions, this is how it must be – global sharia law or war.
    Sharia governs EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE from religion to politics to banking/business to education to family life – all are covered by sharia. Any mooooooslim who does not advocate sharia is an apostate in the view of mainstream islam; think about that for a moment; it is not the radical fringe that the LSM would have you believe but the mainstream of islam is actively pushing for global sharia. We also need to remember that there is no tolerance of any other faith under sharia, it is islam or death. Lying, in order to promote islam/sharia, is commanded in the koran – that being the case, why do we bother to “negotiate” with them at all? Woolsey was interviewed on Fox News this am and he advised that for 30 years we have been “negotiating” with the islamists in Iran and it has yielded nothing but time to the Iranians to further their nuclear/terroristic ambitions. When will the madness stop and we treat islam like the scourge on humanity that it is?? Islam is to communism like a hydrogen bomb is to dynomite.

  23. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    To my fellow “warmers” of Hammie’s Couch: Please be advised that there is really no such thing as a “moderate” moooooslim. One of the stated goal of Islam is global domination and global sharia law – period, no other questions, this is how it must be – global sharia law or war.
    Sharia governs EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE from religion to politics to banking/business to education to family life – all are covered by sharia. Any mooooooslim who does not advocate sharia is an apostate in the view of mainstream islam; think about that for a moment; it is not the radical fringe that the LSM would have you believe but the mainstream of islam is actively pushing for global sharia. We also need to remember that there is no tolerance of any other faith under sharia, it is islam or death. Lying, in order to promote islam/sharia, is commanded in the koran – that being the case, why do we bother to “negotiate” with them at all? Woolsey was interviewed on Fox News this am and he advised that for 30 years we have been “negotiating” with the islamists in Iran and it has yielded nothing but time to the Iranians to further their nuclear/terroristic ambitions. When will the madness stop and we treat islam like the scourge on humanity that it is?? Islam is to communism like a hydrogen bomb is to dynomite.

  24. Tedtam Avatar

    New post up. Gotta run and help my sister with an emergency.

  25. Tedtam Avatar

    New post up. Gotta run and help my sister with an emergency.

  26. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Don’t mess with an Old Fart WWII Veteran;
    An Elderly Couple’s Defiant Stand Against Armed Robber.
    Be sure to scroll all the way down.

    A 91-year-old Minnesota man and his 82-year-old wife say they weren’t scared, but the guy trying to rob them sure was.
    A masked intruder wanting money barged into Wally and Betty’s apartment in St. Charles over the weekend. However, he got something in return.
    Snip~
    “I’m damn near 92 years old. So, I’ve lived my life. He’s got his ahead of him, and it might not be too rosy, you know?” Wally said.
    The couple will celebrate their 63rd wedding anniversary in March.
    “I’m just thankful that everything turned out OK,” said Betty.

  27. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Don’t mess with an Old Fart WWII Veteran;
    An Elderly Couple’s Defiant Stand Against Armed Robber.
    Be sure to scroll all the way down.

    A 91-year-old Minnesota man and his 82-year-old wife say they weren’t scared, but the guy trying to rob them sure was.
    A masked intruder wanting money barged into Wally and Betty’s apartment in St. Charles over the weekend. However, he got something in return.
    Snip~
    “I’m damn near 92 years old. So, I’ve lived my life. He’s got his ahead of him, and it might not be too rosy, you know?” Wally said.
    The couple will celebrate their 63rd wedding anniversary in March.
    “I’m just thankful that everything turned out OK,” said Betty.

  28. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    14 squawkbox says:
    February 3, 2011 at 10:07 am
    This is very punny.

    Vulcan you stop with the puns?

    I mean, you seem to Klingon to them.

  29. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    14 squawkbox says:
    February 3, 2011 at 10:07 am
    This is very punny.

    Vulcan you stop with the puns?
    I mean, you seem to Klingon to them.

  30. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    How to spot a meth lab.

  31. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #12 Osteophage:

    While I agree with you in some respects, I would respectfully suggest that the Islamic faith has a lot of nuances that cannot necessarily be grouped together. Just as there are numerous different divisions and sects who all carry the banner of “Christian” there are a lot of different divisions of Islam.

    While many are indeed virulently militant – there are many that are not. We need to be careful about painting with too broad a brush.

  32. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #12 Osteophage:
    While I agree with you in some respects, I would respectfully suggest that the Islamic faith has a lot of nuances that cannot necessarily be grouped together. Just as there are numerous different divisions and sects who all carry the banner of “Christian” there are a lot of different divisions of Islam.
    While many are indeed virulently militant – there are many that are not. We need to be careful about painting with too broad a brush.

  33. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    While many are indeed virulently militant – there are many that are not. We need to be careful about painting with too broad a brush.

    I agree.

    There’s way too many folk, some on this very blog, who use the statements and actions of a small minority of Christians to paint all Christians with the same brush for me to be so hypocritical as to condone the same kind of broad brushing of Islam.

  34. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    While many are indeed virulently militant – there are many that are not. We need to be careful about painting with too broad a brush.

    I agree.
    There’s way too many folk, some on this very blog, who use the statements and actions of a small minority of Christians to paint all Christians with the same brush for me to be so hypocritical as to condone the same kind of broad brushing of Islam.

  35. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    This is the United States of America. That means everybody gets to believe what they want to believe. If someone worships door knobs and thinks a pygmy princess should sit on a throne and rule this country by fiat, he is allowed to. He can even organize a political party or can run as a candidate in one of the parties now organized, and he can even get elected. Once elected, he can even try to pass legislation that conforms to his religious views. We have a system of checks and balances in this country designed so that even if such legislation gets passed, the Executive (through Veto) or Judicial branch (through SCOTUS) can stop such legislation from taking effect.

    Any true Libertarian will tell you that and will, as a result of this understanding, be unconcerned when polticians attempt to do so.

    It is only when that individual uses violence in order to achive his ends that it becomes an actual threat to Liberty and the rights of others.

  36. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    This is the United States of America. That means everybody gets to believe what they want to believe. If someone worships door knobs and thinks a pygmy princess should sit on a throne and rule this country by fiat, he is allowed to. He can even organize a political party or can run as a candidate in one of the parties now organized, and he can even get elected. Once elected, he can even try to pass legislation that conforms to his religious views. We have a system of checks and balances in this country designed so that even if such legislation gets passed, the Executive (through Veto) or Judicial branch (through SCOTUS) can stop such legislation from taking effect.
    Any true Libertarian will tell you that and will, as a result of this understanding, be unconcerned when polticians attempt to do so.
    It is only when that individual uses violence in order to achive his ends that it becomes an actual threat to Liberty and the rights of others.

  37. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Fallen Marine’s Parents Adopt Son’s Bomb Dog.

    The parents of a U.S. Marine killed in Afghanistan are adopting the bomb-sniffing dog who the military says loyally rushed to their son’s side when he was fatally shot.

    He’s a Black Lab 😉

  38. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Fallen Marine’s Parents Adopt Son’s Bomb Dog.

    The parents of a U.S. Marine killed in Afghanistan are adopting the bomb-sniffing dog who the military says loyally rushed to their son’s side when he was fatally shot.

    He’s a Black Lab 😉

  39. Tedtam Avatar

    My sister is rushing her hubby to the hospital. He’s angry, scared, and doesn’t want to go. AND his mother is being released from the nursing home, and will probably have to come home to their teeny-tiny apartment, at least temporarily. This alone is not a healthy thing.

    I don’t know how my sister handles such stress. I know she leans on God a LOT these days. I rushed out this morning and bought her a pre-paid cell phone so she could call for help if necessary. It was the least I could do.

  40. Tedtam Avatar

    My sister is rushing her hubby to the hospital. He’s angry, scared, and doesn’t want to go. AND his mother is being released from the nursing home, and will probably have to come home to their teeny-tiny apartment, at least temporarily. This alone is not a healthy thing.
    I don’t know how my sister handles such stress. I know she leans on God a LOT these days. I rushed out this morning and bought her a pre-paid cell phone so she could call for help if necessary. It was the least I could do.

  41. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Say it ain’t so;
    Oysters disappearing worldwide: study
    Tedtam, Prayers to your Sister and Her Husband, I hope everything works out OK.

  42. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Say it ain’t so;
    Oysters disappearing worldwide: study
    Tedtam, Prayers to your Sister and Her Husband, I hope everything works out OK.

  43. Tedtam Avatar

    #21 SuperDave

    What a great story! I’m sure that dog will have a great life at their home.

  44. Tedtam Avatar

    #21 SuperDave
    What a great story! I’m sure that dog will have a great life at their home.

  45. Katfish Avatar

    Electricity-generating units supplying power to the grid goes down because of frozen pipes? Are you kidding me???

    They should have had contingency plans at the very least. Further exacerbating the problem was some NG-fueled plants were shut down due to low feed pressure.

    Plants up north are often enclosed, including refineries, chemical plants, etc. They couldn’t maintain sufficient heat in the winters to stay running otherwise. I was at a pulp mill in Wisconsin one January. The local union was threatening a strike over something. They quickly canceled when they were told that if the plant were to shut down for even one day, it would be down for a few months because there was no ways they could get everything heated back up until the weather warmed up.

  46. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Electricity-generating units supplying power to the grid goes down because of frozen pipes? Are you kidding me???

    They should have had contingency plans at the very least. Further exacerbating the problem was some NG-fueled plants were shut down due to low feed pressure.
    Plants up north are often enclosed, including refineries, chemical plants, etc. They couldn’t maintain sufficient heat in the winters to stay running otherwise. I was at a pulp mill in Wisconsin one January. The local union was threatening a strike over something. They quickly canceled when they were told that if the plant were to shut down for even one day, it would be down for a few months because there was no ways they could get everything heated back up until the weather warmed up.

  47. meglettx Avatar

    Went to a presentation about energy last nite. First speaker noted the irony of Houston being the energy capital of the USA and having to have “rolling blackouts”.

  48. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Went to a presentation about energy last nite. First speaker noted the irony of Houston being the energy capital of the USA and having to have “rolling blackouts”.

  49. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Weatherwise, even though it isn’t as cold outside today, I was still unable to get the central heat to warm me up indoors as much as I would like. I have added one little electric space heater to the task. Gives me a place to stand over and warm my hands up enough to keep on hitting the keys today. Don’t rat me out to ERCOT if my extra heater craters The Grid. 🙂

  50. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Weatherwise, even though it isn’t as cold outside today, I was still unable to get the central heat to warm me up indoors as much as I would like. I have added one little electric space heater to the task. Gives me a place to stand over and warm my hands up enough to keep on hitting the keys today. Don’t rat me out to ERCOT if my extra heater craters The Grid. 🙂

  51. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Andrew Cuomo discovers something Conservatives have know for years:

    The budget that Mr. Cuomo unveiled this week closes a gaping deficit with major budget reductions, calling for spending cuts in state hiring, education, health care, aid to universities and payments to cities. The plan would balance the Empire State’s $135 billion budget without a dime of new taxes or borrowing. Remarkably, if his budget passed, the state would spend $3.5 billion less than it did last year.

    snip

    These cuts are impressive on their own, but Mr. Cuomo’s real conceptual breakthrough is to expose the rigged-game of “baseline budgeting.” This is a gambit by which spending increases automatically each year even before a Governor submits his budget. The “baseline” grows each year due to spending formulas that legislatures build into the law even before they take a single vote.

    snip

    This means that if Mr. Cuomo proposes a spending increase for Medicaid that is less than 13%, he will be attacked for “cutting” spending. Yet overall Medicaid spending would still increase. As Mr. Cuomo notes, “this process frames the dialogue around the budget and biases the political discourse.” That is precisely the goal of government unions and the politicians who follow their orders because it allows them to increase spending even as they cry fiscal havoc.

    I love irony.

  52. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    Andrew Cuomo discovers something Conservatives have know for years:

    The budget that Mr. Cuomo unveiled this week closes a gaping deficit with major budget reductions, calling for spending cuts in state hiring, education, health care, aid to universities and payments to cities. The plan would balance the Empire State’s $135 billion budget without a dime of new taxes or borrowing. Remarkably, if his budget passed, the state would spend $3.5 billion less than it did last year.
    snip
    These cuts are impressive on their own, but Mr. Cuomo’s real conceptual breakthrough is to expose the rigged-game of “baseline budgeting.” This is a gambit by which spending increases automatically each year even before a Governor submits his budget. The “baseline” grows each year due to spending formulas that legislatures build into the law even before they take a single vote.
    snip
    This means that if Mr. Cuomo proposes a spending increase for Medicaid that is less than 13%, he will be attacked for “cutting” spending. Yet overall Medicaid spending would still increase. As Mr. Cuomo notes, “this process frames the dialogue around the budget and biases the political discourse.” That is precisely the goal of government unions and the politicians who follow their orders because it allows them to increase spending even as they cry fiscal havoc.

    I love irony.

  53. Hamous Avatar

    #18, #19 Fats and Sarge:
    You are projecting western, gentile, modern, sensibilities on an eastern, mooooooslim, barbaric, backwards civilization. If we were dealing with someone like Bolivia for example, you could appeal to them on the basis of economics, freedom of expression and movement, private property rights, etc and be able to make headway; have a rational reasoned discussion. Unfortunately, the moooslim mindset, over there, is not geared towards creature comforts it is centered around sharia law. We, here in the civilized west must understand that we are dealing with a different civilization, not just a different culture but a different civilization. For example, there is a story about a western general trying to negotiate with a sheik to avoid a bloody war. The general visits the sheik in the sheiks kingdom and is treated to a nice feast while the sheiks best warriors are in his presence in the mountains and high cliffs surrounding the meeting place. The general appeals to the sheik, “Sir, we have tanks and airplanes and automatic weapons, you can not possibly survive”. In response the sheik shouts something in Arabic, and one of his best warriors jumps off the cliff and screams allahu akbar as he falls to his death. The sheik continues and says that he is not going to surrender, he hollers again and the same thing happens. The general is horrified at the “senseless” waste of humanity, the sheik continues with the demonstration and says “I have lots of warriors with this kind of dedication”; after 20 or so “demonstrations” the general leaves and there is no war. Human life does not mean the same thing to the eastern barbarian mooooslims as it does to civilized western gentiles. This is the biggest battle for westerners to overcome, that an individual human life is almost meaningless to the average moooslim (in some cases this even applies to his own family or himself) and until we understand that reality we will continue to get rolled by the moooooslims.
    Does this mean that every moooooslim is a bloodthirsty savage, no but we should proceed as if that is the rule instead of the exception. The overwhelming majority of mooooslims are much more dedicated to their faith than the overwhelming majority of Christians. We westerners view lying as wrong, period and the mooooslim does not – don’t ever forget that. When lying is sanctioned to further the goal of islam (world domination and the extinction of all other faiths) why do we waste time negotiating with them?? Their word is not to be trusted. It is a sin, in the Koran, to make a pact/treaty with an infidel and keep it for more than 10 years – the moooslim is REQUIRED TO VIOLATE THE TREATY inside of 10 years. The only reason to enter a treaty is to buy time to get stronger to break the treaty and destroy the infidel.
    WE ARE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT CIVILIZATION AND WESTERN MORES AND UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT APPLY. As distasteful as that is, we must understand it or we will die.

  54. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #18, #19 Fats and Sarge:
    You are projecting western, gentile, modern, sensibilities on an eastern, mooooooslim, barbaric, backwards civilization. If we were dealing with someone like Bolivia for example, you could appeal to them on the basis of economics, freedom of expression and movement, private property rights, etc and be able to make headway; have a rational reasoned discussion. Unfortunately, the moooslim mindset, over there, is not geared towards creature comforts it is centered around sharia law. We, here in the civilized west must understand that we are dealing with a different civilization, not just a different culture but a different civilization. For example, there is a story about a western general trying to negotiate with a sheik to avoid a bloody war. The general visits the sheik in the sheiks kingdom and is treated to a nice feast while the sheiks best warriors are in his presence in the mountains and high cliffs surrounding the meeting place. The general appeals to the sheik, “Sir, we have tanks and airplanes and automatic weapons, you can not possibly survive”. In response the sheik shouts something in Arabic, and one of his best warriors jumps off the cliff and screams allahu akbar as he falls to his death. The sheik continues and says that he is not going to surrender, he hollers again and the same thing happens. The general is horrified at the “senseless” waste of humanity, the sheik continues with the demonstration and says “I have lots of warriors with this kind of dedication”; after 20 or so “demonstrations” the general leaves and there is no war. Human life does not mean the same thing to the eastern barbarian mooooslims as it does to civilized western gentiles. This is the biggest battle for westerners to overcome, that an individual human life is almost meaningless to the average moooslim (in some cases this even applies to his own family or himself) and until we understand that reality we will continue to get rolled by the moooooslims.
    Does this mean that every moooooslim is a bloodthirsty savage, no but we should proceed as if that is the rule instead of the exception. The overwhelming majority of mooooslims are much more dedicated to their faith than the overwhelming majority of Christians. We westerners view lying as wrong, period and the mooooslim does not – don’t ever forget that. When lying is sanctioned to further the goal of islam (world domination and the extinction of all other faiths) why do we waste time negotiating with them?? Their word is not to be trusted. It is a sin, in the Koran, to make a pact/treaty with an infidel and keep it for more than 10 years – the moooslim is REQUIRED TO VIOLATE THE TREATY inside of 10 years. The only reason to enter a treaty is to buy time to get stronger to break the treaty and destroy the infidel.
    WE ARE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT CIVILIZATION AND WESTERN MORES AND UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT APPLY. As distasteful as that is, we must understand it or we will die.

  55. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Be afraid. Be very afraid!

    When you take the Marxists, and you combine them with the radicals from Islam, the whole world starts to implode.

  56. bob42 Avatar

    Be afraid. Be very afraid!

    When you take the Marxists, and you combine them with the radicals from Islam, the whole world starts to implode.

  57. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    #18, #19 Fats and Sarge:
    You are projecting western, gentile, modern, sensibilities on an eastern, mooooooslim, barbaric, backwards civilization.

    I project nothing onto anybody.

    I’ve made a rule for myself to follow, and I point out the governing principals of the United States of America.

    Everybody gets to beleive what they want to believe.

    I can’t see how that projects anything onto anybody.

  58. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    #18, #19 Fats and Sarge:
    You are projecting western, gentile, modern, sensibilities on an eastern, mooooooslim, barbaric, backwards civilization.

    I project nothing onto anybody.
    I’ve made a rule for myself to follow, and I point out the governing principals of the United States of America.
    Everybody gets to beleive what they want to believe.
    I can’t see how that projects anything onto anybody.

  59. Tedtam Avatar

    #27 Mharper

    I went ahead a harvested some lettuce for a salad last night. It was very tasty. I’m hoping the rest of it makes it through the freeze coming up. I may run out there in my mud boots later and cut some more. I may as well eat my money rather than watch it freeze.

    Unless I’m a congressman from Louisiana. He prefers to freeze his money. 😉

  60. Tedtam Avatar

    #27 Mharper
    I went ahead a harvested some lettuce for a salad last night. It was very tasty. I’m hoping the rest of it makes it through the freeze coming up. I may run out there in my mud boots later and cut some more. I may as well eat my money rather than watch it freeze.
    Unless I’m a congressman from Louisiana. He prefers to freeze his money. 😉

  61. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #30 Osteowacker:

    When will the madness stop and we treat islam like the scourge on humanity that it is??

    So, your solution is? Round up all Muslims and force them to convert? Or just shoot them down in the street like a pack of rabid dogs?

    Are there groups of Muslims that are violent and extreme? Yes. Are there Islamic extremists that need to be eliminated? Surely.

    But to advocate for the unilateral extermination of every Muslim believer simply on the basis of their religious faith puts you at a level which is no better than theirs.

    What they believe is not the problem, how they act is.

  62. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #30 Osteowacker:

    When will the madness stop and we treat islam like the scourge on humanity that it is??

    So, your solution is? Round up all Muslims and force them to convert? Or just shoot them down in the street like a pack of rabid dogs?
    Are there groups of Muslims that are violent and extreme? Yes. Are there Islamic extremists that need to be eliminated? Surely.
    But to advocate for the unilateral extermination of every Muslim believer simply on the basis of their religious faith puts you at a level which is no better than theirs.
    What they believe is not the problem, how they act is.

  63. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Sarge 19 & 20,

    Well said

    Simple

  64. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Sarge 19 & 20,
    Well said
    Simple

  65. Hamous Avatar

    #32 Sarge:

    There’s way too many folk, some on this very blog, who use the statements and actions of a small minority of Christians to paint all Christians with the same brush for me to be so hypocritical as to condone the same kind of broad brushing of Islam

    What we are talking about is not a small minority of mooooslims, it represents a plurality. The small minority of mooooslims are the ones who are reasonable and tolerant.

  66. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #32 Sarge:

    There’s way too many folk, some on this very blog, who use the statements and actions of a small minority of Christians to paint all Christians with the same brush for me to be so hypocritical as to condone the same kind of broad brushing of Islam

    What we are talking about is not a small minority of mooooslims, it represents a plurality. The small minority of mooooslims are the ones who are reasonable and tolerant.

  67. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Fat Albert

    What they believe is not the problem, how they act is.

    Amen.

  68. bob42 Avatar

    Fat Albert

    What they believe is not the problem, how they act is.

    Amen.

  69. Hamous Avatar

    #34 FA: I do not relish the thought of genocide, in fact I am horrified by it. It violates my western sensibilities as it does yours and every one else who hangs out on Hammy’s couch. That is NOT THE MINDSET OF THE AVERAGE MIDDLE EASTERN MOOOOSLIM. The vocal ones in the mid-east will openly state that they love death more than we love life. That is a majority mindset and one that we dismiss at our own peril.

  70. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #34 FA: I do not relish the thought of genocide, in fact I am horrified by it. It violates my western sensibilities as it does yours and every one else who hangs out on Hammy’s couch. That is NOT THE MINDSET OF THE AVERAGE MIDDLE EASTERN MOOOOSLIM. The vocal ones in the mid-east will openly state that they love death more than we love life. That is a majority mindset and one that we dismiss at our own peril.

  71. Hamous Avatar

    #34 FA:
    What they believe is not the problem, how they act is
    The problem is that they are acting on what they believe. Trying to convince them that what they believe is wrong (as well as their actions) is the same as defiling the koran or casting insult to islam; they simply will not hear it.

  72. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #34 FA:
    What they believe is not the problem, how they act is
    The problem is that they are acting on what they believe. Trying to convince them that what they believe is wrong (as well as their actions) is the same as defiling the koran or casting insult to islam; they simply will not hear it.

  73. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #38:

    I do not relish the thought of genocide, in fact I am horrified by it. It violates my western sensibilities

    And yet that seems to be exactly what you are advocating.

  74. fat albert Avatar
    fat albert

    #38:

    I do not relish the thought of genocide, in fact I am horrified by it. It violates my western sensibilities

    And yet that seems to be exactly what you are advocating.

  75. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What we are talking about is not a small minority of mooooslims, it represents a plurality. The small minority of mooooslims are the ones who are reasonable and tolerant.

    Please provide me with the polling data that supports that. Please include the nation with the highest muslim population: Indonesia. Make sure it includes the muslims in the Phillipines, Polynesia, Micronesia, and Southeast Asia. The agregate muslim population in those areas and nations far excedes the number of Arabic and Persian muslims. Arabic and Persian muslims are the populations wherein we find the most trouble makers, and the principal problem there is political Islam.

  76. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    What we are talking about is not a small minority of mooooslims, it represents a plurality. The small minority of mooooslims are the ones who are reasonable and tolerant.

    Please provide me with the polling data that supports that. Please include the nation with the highest muslim population: Indonesia. Make sure it includes the muslims in the Phillipines, Polynesia, Micronesia, and Southeast Asia. The agregate muslim population in those areas and nations far excedes the number of Arabic and Persian muslims. Arabic and Persian muslims are the populations wherein we find the most trouble makers, and the principal problem there is political Islam.

  77. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Bones, a couple of years ago around Christmas time, I used the abbreviation “XMAS” in a comment. Tedtam politely pointed out it (and this was news to me) that many Christians disliked that abbreviation because it replaced Christ with an X. I’ve not used the abbreviation since then.

    I’ve blogged with non-theist people who insist on referring to all Christians as “Xtians.” I’ll offer the same advice to you that I have to them:

    You’re not helping your argument.

  78. bob42 Avatar

    Bones, a couple of years ago around Christmas time, I used the abbreviation “XMAS” in a comment. Tedtam politely pointed out it (and this was news to me) that many Christians disliked that abbreviation because it replaced Christ with an X. I’ve not used the abbreviation since then.
    I’ve blogged with non-theist people who insist on referring to all Christians as “Xtians.” I’ll offer the same advice to you that I have to them:

    You’re not helping your argument.

  79. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Speaking of “Tolerance and Coexistence”.
    ABC News Reporter Brian Hartman Threatened With Beheading.

  80. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    Speaking of “Tolerance and Coexistence”.
    ABC News Reporter Brian Hartman Threatened With Beheading.

  81. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    G’Afternoon all
    This just hit the web.
    In Joe Biden’s words, “This is a big effing deal.”

    U.S. Adminstration In Contempt Over Gulf Drilling Moratorium, Judge Rules

    By Laurel Brubaker Calkins – Feb 3, 2011 12:28 AM CT

    Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) – – The Obama Administration acted in contempt by continuing its deepwater drilling moratorium after the policy was struck down, a New Orleans judge ruled.

    Interior Department regulators acted with “determined disregard” by lifting and reinstituting a series of policy changes that restricted offshore drilling, following the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history, U.S. District Judge, Martin Feldman of New Orleans ruled yesterday.

    “Each step the government took following the court’s imposition of a preliminary injunction showcases its defiance,” Feldman said in the ruling.

    “Such dismissive conduct, viewed in tandem with the re- imposition of a second blanket and substantively identical moratorium, and in light of the national importance of this case, provide this court with clear and convincing evidence of the government’s contempt,” Feldman said.

    More

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html

  82. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Afternoon all
    This just hit the web.
    In Joe Biden’s words, “This is a big effing deal.”

    U.S. Adminstration In Contempt Over Gulf Drilling Moratorium, Judge Rules
    By Laurel Brubaker Calkins – Feb 3, 2011 12:28 AM CT
    Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) – – The Obama Administration acted in contempt by continuing its deepwater drilling moratorium after the policy was struck down, a New Orleans judge ruled.
    Interior Department regulators acted with “determined disregard” by lifting and reinstituting a series of policy changes that restricted offshore drilling, following the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history, U.S. District Judge, Martin Feldman of New Orleans ruled yesterday.
    “Each step the government took following the court’s imposition of a preliminary injunction showcases its defiance,” Feldman said in the ruling.
    “Such dismissive conduct, viewed in tandem with the re- imposition of a second blanket and substantively identical moratorium, and in light of the national importance of this case, provide this court with clear and convincing evidence of the government’s contempt,” Feldman said.

    More
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html

  83. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    TT Kneemail being sent via Divine Delivery.

  84. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    TT Kneemail being sent via Divine Delivery.

  85. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TT — Is it actually cheaper to grow lettuce than to buy it at your local grocery? Or do you do it to get a better product?

    I went outside today to scatter seeds for birds & squirrels — that is PROBABLY why they don’t gnaw on my DAYAAM Hardiplank — but otherwise had no interest in being out in this cold air. 🙂

    You are a good sister to be available to yours in her time of need. Take care if you have to drive out anywhere to help her, because we Hamsters need you too.

  86. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    TT — Is it actually cheaper to grow lettuce than to buy it at your local grocery? Or do you do it to get a better product?
    I went outside today to scatter seeds for birds & squirrels — that is PROBABLY why they don’t gnaw on my DAYAAM Hardiplank — but otherwise had no interest in being out in this cold air. 🙂
    You are a good sister to be available to yours in her time of need. Take care if you have to drive out anywhere to help her, because we Hamsters need you too.

  87. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    42 bob42 says:
    February 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Bones, a couple of years ago around Christmas time, I used the abbreviation “XMAS” in a comment. Tedtam politely pointed out it (and this was news to me) that many Christians disliked that abbreviation because it replaced Christ with an X. I’ve not used the abbreviation since then.

    Actually it is a Christian symbol. A gazillion years ago I was the youth leader at the First Christian Church. The junior high group is called Chi Rho, from the Greek spelling of Christ.

    The Chi Rho is one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two letters in the Greek spelling of the word Christ ( Greek : “Χριστός” ), chi = ch and rho = r, in such a way to produce the monogram

    Xmas also comes from the Greek spelling.

    “Xmas” is an abbreviation of the word “Christmas”. It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as “Xtemass”, originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation, /ˈkrɪsməs/. The “-mas” part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for “Mass”,[1] while the “X” comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as “Christ”.

  88. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    42 bob42 says:
    February 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    Bones, a couple of years ago around Christmas time, I used the abbreviation “XMAS” in a comment. Tedtam politely pointed out it (and this was news to me) that many Christians disliked that abbreviation because it replaced Christ with an X. I’ve not used the abbreviation since then.

    Actually it is a Christian symbol. A gazillion years ago I was the youth leader at the First Christian Church. The junior high group is called Chi Rho, from the Greek spelling of Christ.

    The Chi Rho is one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two letters in the Greek spelling of the word Christ ( Greek : “Χριστός” ), chi = ch and rho = r, in such a way to produce the monogram

    Xmas also comes from the Greek spelling.

    “Xmas” is an abbreviation of the word “Christmas”. It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as “Xtemass”, originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation, /ˈkrɪsməs/. The “-mas” part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for “Mass”,[1] while the “X” comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as “Christ”.

  89. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    #47 Thanks. I reckon I learn something new every day, and that was interesting. Perhaps the opposition to the abbreviation is a Catholic thing?

  90. bob42 Avatar

    #47 Thanks. I reckon I learn something new every day, and that was interesting. Perhaps the opposition to the abbreviation is a Catholic thing?

  91. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Perhaps the opposition to the abbreviation is a Catholic thing?

    No, actually it began as a “secret symbol” among early Christians to give a sign that they were Christian without exposing their belief to the Romans.

  92. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Perhaps the opposition to the abbreviation is a Catholic thing?

    No, actually it began as a “secret symbol” among early Christians to give a sign that they were Christian without exposing their belief to the Romans.

  93. meglettx Avatar

    Does bob69 get to say “amen”?

  94. Lawrence Avatar
    Lawrence

    Does bob69 get to say “amen”?

  95. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    yes, but not before he passes the collection plate.

  96. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    yes, but not before he passes the collection plate.

  97. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #50 Heh. I was fixin’ to type the same question.

  98. Hamous Avatar

    #50 Heh. I was fixin’ to type the same question.

  99. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    In addition to providing the Hebrew/Christian Etymology and definitions, many dictionaries also include the common English translation of meaning “verily and truly” as well as the more colloquial application of using Amen to express strong agreement, as I did above.

    Do I need anyone’s permission to use the word? 😉

  100. bob42 Avatar

    In addition to providing the Hebrew/Christian Etymology and definitions, many dictionaries also include the common English translation of meaning “verily and truly” as well as the more colloquial application of using Amen to express strong agreement, as I did above.
    Do I need anyone’s permission to use the word? 😉

  101. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    This is the biggest battle for westerners to overcome, that an individual human life is almost meaningless to the average moooslim (in some cases this even applies to his own family or himself) and until we understand that reality we will continue to get rolled by the moooooslims.

    But individual human life IS meaningful to Christians. That’s why we minister in prisons, why we have missionaries, why we feed the poor. Our faith is not dependent on the faith of Muslims.

    The overwhelming majority of mooooslims are much more dedicated to their faith than the overwhelming majority of Christians.

    That most definitely is not the fault of Muslims.

    Bones – there are many documented cases of “righteous Muslims” who defended Jews in the Middle East during WWII. Are they to be beheaded by the sword of righteousness as well? I agree there are a large number of Muslims whose violent behavior should be condemned. And worse, even more who turn a blind eye to their violent brethren in what amounts to tacit approval. We should disassociate from any dialog with such people. But to advocate the extermination of 1/5 of the human beings on earth simply because of the god they worship? I’ll not travel down that road with you, brother.

  102. Hamous Avatar

    This is the biggest battle for westerners to overcome, that an individual human life is almost meaningless to the average moooslim (in some cases this even applies to his own family or himself) and until we understand that reality we will continue to get rolled by the moooooslims.

    But individual human life IS meaningful to Christians. That’s why we minister in prisons, why we have missionaries, why we feed the poor. Our faith is not dependent on the faith of Muslims.

    The overwhelming majority of mooooslims are much more dedicated to their faith than the overwhelming majority of Christians.

    That most definitely is not the fault of Muslims.
    Bones – there are many documented cases of “righteous Muslims” who defended Jews in the Middle East during WWII. Are they to be beheaded by the sword of righteousness as well? I agree there are a large number of Muslims whose violent behavior should be condemned. And worse, even more who turn a blind eye to their violent brethren in what amounts to tacit approval. We should disassociate from any dialog with such people. But to advocate the extermination of 1/5 of the human beings on earth simply because of the god they worship? I’ll not travel down that road with you, brother.

  103. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticks head out of LurkCave, since the thermogizmo reads a whopping 33 degrees)

    *** Caution: Shameless promotion of a book! But its a Houston book! From a genius! ***

    Hmm, about the best reference I can think of regarding the cultural/philosophical/relig etc. differences of our culture vs. the other is from the “hidden treasure” Houston author Peter Riga. His book “Our Death Struggle with Islam” is the ultimate study of said comparison.

    (retreats back into LurkCave, preparing to go forth into the approaching elements to stock up on … necessary stuff, you know, the c r e e p y kind! :twisted:)

  104. LurkerGoneWild Avatar
    LurkerGoneWild

    (sticks head out of LurkCave, since the thermogizmo reads a whopping 33 degrees)
    *** Caution: Shameless promotion of a book! But its a Houston book! From a genius! ***
    Hmm, about the best reference I can think of regarding the cultural/philosophical/relig etc. differences of our culture vs. the other is from the “hidden treasure” Houston author Peter Riga. His book “Our Death Struggle with Islam” is the ultimate study of said comparison.
    (retreats back into LurkCave, preparing to go forth into the approaching elements to stock up on … necessary stuff, you know, the c r e e p y kind! :twisted:)

  105. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Shallow Al. How unserious can one man get?

    Last week on his show Bill O’Reilly asked, “Why has southern New York turned into the tundra?” and then said he had a call into me. I appreciate the question.

    As it turns out, the scientific community has been addressing this particular question for some time now and they say that increased heavy snowfalls are completely consistent with what they have been predicting as a consequence of man-made global warming:

    “In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow.”

    “A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species.”

    There is now officially no weather event that they can’t blame on MMGW. Somebody give Al a popsicle and tell him to go sit in the corner.

  106. Hamous Avatar

    I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Shallow Al. How unserious can one man get?

    Last week on his show Bill O’Reilly asked, “Why has southern New York turned into the tundra?” and then said he had a call into me. I appreciate the question.
    As it turns out, the scientific community has been addressing this particular question for some time now and they say that increased heavy snowfalls are completely consistent with what they have been predicting as a consequence of man-made global warming:
    “In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow.”
    “A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species.”

    There is now officially no weather event that they can’t blame on MMGW. Somebody give Al a popsicle and tell him to go sit in the corner.

  107. Katfish Avatar

    Most Muslims (by far) are not terrorists. Where I have difficulty is that we never seem to hear of any of them speak out when one of their co-religionists decides to wage his own personal jihad in a crowded marketplace full of innocents. We see lots of celebrating in the Cradle of Civilization when that happens, but nowhere do we see anyone speak out against the act.

    I can understand why they may fear doing so in the Cradle of Civilization, where the nut:non-nut ratio is pretty high, but we never seem to hear of someone local speaking out. Why is that?

    We got to hear lots of Christians (and others) speak out against those idiots on both sides in Northern Ireland who were acting little different than your typical Muslim extremist does today.

    Unless and until Muslims themselves speak out, this perception will continue.

  108. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Most Muslims (by far) are not terrorists. Where I have difficulty is that we never seem to hear of any of them speak out when one of their co-religionists decides to wage his own personal jihad in a crowded marketplace full of innocents. We see lots of celebrating in the Cradle of Civilization when that happens, but nowhere do we see anyone speak out against the act.
    I can understand why they may fear doing so in the Cradle of Civilization, where the nut:non-nut ratio is pretty high, but we never seem to hear of someone local speaking out. Why is that?
    We got to hear lots of Christians (and others) speak out against those idiots on both sides in Northern Ireland who were acting little different than your typical Muslim extremist does today.
    Unless and until Muslims themselves speak out, this perception will continue.

  109. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    “In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe

    They also said it would make hurricanes more sever and more frequent.

    And we know how that turned out.

  110. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    “In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe

    They also said it would make hurricanes more sever and more frequent.
    And we know how that turned out.

  111. Hamous Avatar

    To all who think that I am being too strident: ask yourself the question “If I am in a kill or be killed situation what am I going to do?” IF you say fight back great, if you wait until the sword is at your neck you have lost. The question we need to understand is not if we are in a kill or be killed situation but when will it affect me personally? IF you wait until they attack and annihilate Israel that is too late because that will incur the wrath of Y_VH for our recalcitrance. Pyro said:

    Most Muslims (by far) are not terrorists. Where I have difficulty is that we never seem to hear of any of them speak out when one of their co-religionists decides to wage his own personal jihad in a crowded marketplace full of innocents

    Do you think that they will speak up for you after they have “ethnically cleansed” Israel or the Balkans or Greece or Spain or Italy? What is it going to take before we all recognize the evil that islam represents and respond accordingly?
    #40 FA

    And yet that seems to be exactly what you are advocating

    I recognize that genocide is what the mooooslims are advocating and have advanced in Somalia, Ethopia, are working on in Nigeria, have achieved in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Gaza, In places in the Balkans, etc.

    #41 Sarge: Indonesia has largely been cleansed of non moooslims and the eradication of non mooooslims continues in the regions you cite.

    The big question is when and where are we going to draw the line and fight back?

  112. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    To all who think that I am being too strident: ask yourself the question “If I am in a kill or be killed situation what am I going to do?” IF you say fight back great, if you wait until the sword is at your neck you have lost. The question we need to understand is not if we are in a kill or be killed situation but when will it affect me personally? IF you wait until they attack and annihilate Israel that is too late because that will incur the wrath of Y_VH for our recalcitrance. Pyro said:

    Most Muslims (by far) are not terrorists. Where I have difficulty is that we never seem to hear of any of them speak out when one of their co-religionists decides to wage his own personal jihad in a crowded marketplace full of innocents

    Do you think that they will speak up for you after they have “ethnically cleansed” Israel or the Balkans or Greece or Spain or Italy? What is it going to take before we all recognize the evil that islam represents and respond accordingly?
    #40 FA

    And yet that seems to be exactly what you are advocating

    I recognize that genocide is what the mooooslims are advocating and have advanced in Somalia, Ethopia, are working on in Nigeria, have achieved in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Gaza, In places in the Balkans, etc.
    #41 Sarge: Indonesia has largely been cleansed of non moooslims and the eradication of non mooooslims continues in the regions you cite.
    The big question is when and where are we going to draw the line and fight back?

  113. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    To all who think that I am being too strident: ask yourself the question “If I am in a kill or be killed situation what am I going to do?”

    One thing I am most dertainly NOT going to do is to turn my back on the founding precpts of the greatest nation on earth.

    #41 Sarge: Indonesia has largely been cleansed of non moooslims and the eradication of non mooooslims continues in the regions you cite.

    Well—

    You haven’t provided me yet with the pollingn information that supports your claim that most muslims want to kill us all, so I’m guessing you don’t have any proof of that allegation either.

    In fact, I’m probably more familiar with the spread of Islam throughout the South Pacific and the Phillipines than you are.

    The fact of the matter is, once you include all muslims, your claim falls flat. Just as those who claim that Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians.

    And anyone who thinks we haven’t been fighting back has never had a son in Iraq, or a business partner in Afghanistan.

    Or read much of the news objectively.

  114. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    To all who think that I am being too strident: ask yourself the question “If I am in a kill or be killed situation what am I going to do?”

    One thing I am most dertainly NOT going to do is to turn my back on the founding precpts of the greatest nation on earth.

    #41 Sarge: Indonesia has largely been cleansed of non moooslims and the eradication of non mooooslims continues in the regions you cite.

    Well—
    You haven’t provided me yet with the pollingn information that supports your claim that most muslims want to kill us all, so I’m guessing you don’t have any proof of that allegation either.
    In fact, I’m probably more familiar with the spread of Islam throughout the South Pacific and the Phillipines than you are.
    The fact of the matter is, once you include all muslims, your claim falls flat. Just as those who claim that Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians.
    And anyone who thinks we haven’t been fighting back has never had a son in Iraq, or a business partner in Afghanistan.
    Or read much of the news objectively.

  115. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    We’re not going to win this war by getting all panicky.

    We’re not going to win this war by becoming our enemy.

    The lesson of the Victory in Iraq proves exactly that.

  116. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    We’re not going to win this war by getting all panicky.
    We’re not going to win this war by becoming our enemy.
    The lesson of the Victory in Iraq proves exactly that.

  117. Katfish Avatar

    FoxNews correspondents should probably avoid taking cameraman Olaf Wiig along with them. He seems to be bad luck.

    FOX News Channel’s veteran foreign correspondent Greg Palkot and his camerman Olaf Wiig have suffered severe injuries in Cairo while covering the unrest in the Egypt capital. Palkot was badly beaten and Wiig has a possible broken jaw after being attacked by pro-Hosni Mubarak supporters yesterday. Both were hospitalized overnight.

    You might recall that a few years ago Olaf Wigg was taken hostage in Gaza for a couple of weeks along with Steve Centanni.

  118. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    FoxNews correspondents should probably avoid taking cameraman Olaf Wiig along with them. He seems to be bad luck.

    FOX News Channel’s veteran foreign correspondent Greg Palkot and his camerman Olaf Wiig have suffered severe injuries in Cairo while covering the unrest in the Egypt capital. Palkot was badly beaten and Wiig has a possible broken jaw after being attacked by pro-Hosni Mubarak supporters yesterday. Both were hospitalized overnight.

    You might recall that a few years ago Olaf Wigg was taken hostage in Gaza for a couple of weeks along with Steve Centanni.

  119. Hamous Avatar

    #60 Sarge:

    In fact, I’m probably more familiar with the spread of Islam throughout the South Pacific and the Phillipines than you are.

    You are correct there. How much was done at the point of a sword/gun? How many girls have been circumcised and how may wear a form of the hijab? What do you think will happen if some of those in Se Asia choose to turn away from islam? Do you think they will escape with their life?

    We’re not going to win this war by getting all panicky.

    I am not panicking at all. I choose to see (the middle east in this case) the situation as it is and not as I wish it to be.

    We’re not going to win this war by becoming our enemy

    I have no desire what so ever to become my enemy, my desire is to keep him at bay at worst and utterly defeat him at best. He will give no quarter and neither will I.

    The lesson of the Victory in Iraq proves exactly that.

    While I whole heartedly support what the objective was in Iraq I would not yet call it a victory. Christian churches are being burned and Christians are being murdered, not to mention what they are doing to the Kurds. Let’s see in a couple of years what Iraq looks like before we declare victory there.

  120. Bonecrusher Avatar
    Bonecrusher

    #60 Sarge:

    In fact, I’m probably more familiar with the spread of Islam throughout the South Pacific and the Phillipines than you are.

    You are correct there. How much was done at the point of a sword/gun? How many girls have been circumcised and how may wear a form of the hijab? What do you think will happen if some of those in Se Asia choose to turn away from islam? Do you think they will escape with their life?

    We’re not going to win this war by getting all panicky.

    I am not panicking at all. I choose to see (the middle east in this case) the situation as it is and not as I wish it to be.

    We’re not going to win this war by becoming our enemy

    I have no desire what so ever to become my enemy, my desire is to keep him at bay at worst and utterly defeat him at best. He will give no quarter and neither will I.

    The lesson of the Victory in Iraq proves exactly that.

    While I whole heartedly support what the objective was in Iraq I would not yet call it a victory. Christian churches are being burned and Christians are being murdered, not to mention what they are doing to the Kurds. Let’s see in a couple of years what Iraq looks like before we declare victory there.

  121. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #63 I just heard Beck close with that. He said they were hospitalized “with grave injuries”. They were released this morning. Someone needs to learn the proper meaning of certain adjectives.

  122. Hamous Avatar

    #63 I just heard Beck close with that. He said they were hospitalized “with grave injuries”. They were released this morning. Someone needs to learn the proper meaning of certain adjectives.

  123. Tedtam Avatar

    From an email:

    Deaf Italian bookkeeper

    A Mafia Godfather finds out that his bookkeeper, Guido, has cheated him out of $10,000,000.00

    His bookkeeper is deaf. That was the reason he got the job in the first place.

    It was assumed that Guido would hear nothing so he would not have to testify in court.

    When the Godfather goes to confront Guido about his missing $10
    million, he takes along his lawyer who knows sign language.

    The Godfather tells the lawyer, “Ask him where’s the money?

    The lawyer, using sign language, asks Guido where’s the money?.

    Guido signs back, “I don’t know what you are talking about.” The lawyer tells the Godfather, “He says he doesn’t know what you are talking about” The Godfather pulls out a pistol, puts it to Guido’s temple and says, “Ask him again!”

    The lawyer signs to Guido, “He’ll kill you if you don’t tell him..”

    Guido signs back, “OK.!!!! You win! The money is in a brown briefcase, buried behind the shed at my cousin Bruno’s house.

    The Godfather asks the lawyer, “What did he say?” The lawyer replies, ” He says you don’t have the balls to pull the trigger.

    Don’t you just love Italian lawyers

  124. Tedtam Avatar

    From an email:
    Deaf Italian bookkeeper
    A Mafia Godfather finds out that his bookkeeper, Guido, has cheated him out of $10,000,000.00
    His bookkeeper is deaf. That was the reason he got the job in the first place.
    It was assumed that Guido would hear nothing so he would not have to testify in court.
    When the Godfather goes to confront Guido about his missing $10
    million, he takes along his lawyer who knows sign language.
    The Godfather tells the lawyer, “Ask him where’s the money?
    The lawyer, using sign language, asks Guido where’s the money?.
    Guido signs back, “I don’t know what you are talking about.” The lawyer tells the Godfather, “He says he doesn’t know what you are talking about” The Godfather pulls out a pistol, puts it to Guido’s temple and says, “Ask him again!”
    The lawyer signs to Guido, “He’ll kill you if you don’t tell him..”
    Guido signs back, “OK.!!!! You win! The money is in a brown briefcase, buried behind the shed at my cousin Bruno’s house.
    The Godfather asks the lawyer, “What did he say?” The lawyer replies, ” He says you don’t have the balls to pull the trigger.
    Don’t you just love Italian lawyers

  125. Katfish Avatar

    Help our friends in Austin pick a new name for their solid waste department. Currently “Fred Durst Society of the Humanities and Arts” is way, way ahead of #2 “Department of Neat and Clean”.

  126. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Help our friends in Austin pick a new name for their solid waste department. Currently “Fred Durst Society of the Humanities and Arts” is way, way ahead of #2 “Department of Neat and Clean”.

  127. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    IMHO (as a former 4 year resident in the Arab world)

    “Most” Muslims or a “FEW” Muslims that want us all DEAD or CONVERTED simply aint the issue Folks……………………..the term that counts is “ENOUGH” of them that want us DEAD or CONVERTED. And sadly there ARE “ENOUGH”.

    In this regard we basically have three optional paths:
    1. Roll back the morality of ‘the West’ to 1800 or perhaps even earlier
    OR
    2. CONVERT the entire Western Hemisphere to Islam
    OR
    3. Kill or BE Killed

    Just because truth aint pretty rarely makes it any LESS true…………….

  128. Katfish Avatar

    IMHO (as a former 4 year resident in the Arab world)
    “Most” Muslims or a “FEW” Muslims that want us all DEAD or CONVERTED simply aint the issue Folks……………………..the term that counts is “ENOUGH” of them that want us DEAD or CONVERTED. And sadly there ARE “ENOUGH”.
    In this regard we basically have three optional paths:
    1. Roll back the morality of ‘the West’ to 1800 or perhaps even earlier
    OR
    2. CONVERT the entire Western Hemisphere to Islam
    OR
    3. Kill or BE Killed
    Just because truth aint pretty rarely makes it any LESS true…………….

  129. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    #55 LurkGW

    stock up on … necessary stuff, you know, the c r e e p y kind )

    Mayonnaise? Toilet paper? KY?

  130. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Update on bob:

    Yesterday I cited the very socially liberal movement known as “The New Deal” as opening the door to allow the federal government to crackdown on intrastate marajuana cultivation, distribution and/or consumption. This was accomplished through federal legislation straight from the Left. I then cited a Taco Supreme Court decision from a case known as “Gonzales v. Raich (2005)” to reinforce the federal government’s strength in the country’s states. In that same post I included the judges who sided with and against Gonzalez v. Raich; and how among the four coservative judges, one judge, Antonio Scalia, as having sided with the decision and the remaining three, one of which was Clarence Thomas who is my absolute favorite living Supreme Court judge, as siding against that decision. For the record, Scalia was wrong and Thomas correct. That means of the six judges who sided for Gonzalez v. Raich, only one was conservative and five were liberal. One of which , Justice Ginsberg is a way far left Liberal. So who does bob isolate for a vulgar attack? Why, the one conservative who incorrectly sided with Gonzalez v. Raich. Bob then criticizes, “both sides”.

    This is all too typical for bob. He attacks conservatives and when shown liberals to be worse than the conservatives he attacks, he declares “both sides” as bad and never a peep about liberals in and of themselves. None. Never. Then bob gets mad at getting labelled as “anti-conservative” saying his attackers are hallucinating or something. Although another issue, if bob wants to cite the case he cites against Scalia, he should feel free to do so. It was discussed on Lone Star Times and I don’t mind talking about it again here.

    Then the incredulous part of bob’s terse response against Scalia. Bob defended the Progressives during Prohibition. Yes, the same Prohibition bob and many other libertarian rebel rousers cite and the epitomy of government oppression and the golden example of why the government should not wage war against drugs nationwide. Yes, the war that was clearly presented to bob as a liberal goal and to which bob rants against the one conservative who supported reiforcing the federal government’s power to make war agianst.

    Socreboard:

    For attacking Scalia in the midst of a clearly liberal agenda to thwart civil libierties and violate federalism (federalism is something bob has openly argues against via the federal court activists) —> Conservatives = -210; Liberals = +11

    For attacking “both sides” —> Conservatives = -211; Liberals = +10

    For defending Liberals during prohibition —> Conservatives = -211; Liberals = +11

    Good job, bob. Keep up your watchdog tactics. I feel empowered more and more to stand against conservatism.

  131. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Update on bob:
    Yesterday I cited the very socially liberal movement known as “The New Deal” as opening the door to allow the federal government to crackdown on intrastate marajuana cultivation, distribution and/or consumption. This was accomplished through federal legislation straight from the Left. I then cited a Taco Supreme Court decision from a case known as “Gonzales v. Raich (2005)” to reinforce the federal government’s strength in the country’s states. In that same post I included the judges who sided with and against Gonzalez v. Raich; and how among the four coservative judges, one judge, Antonio Scalia, as having sided with the decision and the remaining three, one of which was Clarence Thomas who is my absolute favorite living Supreme Court judge, as siding against that decision. For the record, Scalia was wrong and Thomas correct. That means of the six judges who sided for Gonzalez v. Raich, only one was conservative and five were liberal. One of which , Justice Ginsberg is a way far left Liberal. So who does bob isolate for a vulgar attack? Why, the one conservative who incorrectly sided with Gonzalez v. Raich. Bob then criticizes, “both sides”.
    This is all too typical for bob. He attacks conservatives and when shown liberals to be worse than the conservatives he attacks, he declares “both sides” as bad and never a peep about liberals in and of themselves. None. Never. Then bob gets mad at getting labelled as “anti-conservative” saying his attackers are hallucinating or something. Although another issue, if bob wants to cite the case he cites against Scalia, he should feel free to do so. It was discussed on Lone Star Times and I don’t mind talking about it again here.
    Then the incredulous part of bob’s terse response against Scalia. Bob defended the Progressives during Prohibition. Yes, the same Prohibition bob and many other libertarian rebel rousers cite and the epitomy of government oppression and the golden example of why the government should not wage war against drugs nationwide. Yes, the war that was clearly presented to bob as a liberal goal and to which bob rants against the one conservative who supported reiforcing the federal government’s power to make war agianst.
    Socreboard:
    For attacking Scalia in the midst of a clearly liberal agenda to thwart civil libierties and violate federalism (federalism is something bob has openly argues against via the federal court activists) —> Conservatives = -210; Liberals = +11
    For attacking “both sides” —> Conservatives = -211; Liberals = +10
    For defending Liberals during prohibition —> Conservatives = -211; Liberals = +11
    Good job, bob. Keep up your watchdog tactics. I feel empowered more and more to stand against conservatism.

  132. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oops, bad link set up.

  133. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Oops, bad link set up.

  134. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    A gazillion years ago I was the youth leader at the First Christian Church.

    Wow, Oletimer really is “ole”. He was a youth leader when Jesus walked the earth. 😉

    Once upon a time I too was passionately against using “XMAS” because it replaced “Christ” with an “X”. I too learned that “X” is a Christian symbol for “Christ” and was “relaxed” a bit but I think most people say “XMAS” just ot be lazy and I do not appreciate that.

  135. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    A gazillion years ago I was the youth leader at the First Christian Church.

    Wow, Oletimer really is “ole”. He was a youth leader when Jesus walked the earth. 😉
    Once upon a time I too was passionately against using “XMAS” because it replaced “Christ” with an “X”. I too learned that “X” is a Christian symbol for “Christ” and was “relaxed” a bit but I think most people say “XMAS” just ot be lazy and I do not appreciate that.

  136. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #65;

    Someone needs to learn the proper meaning of certain adjectives.

    In Portuguese “grave” is used to mean “serious” for something that can be potentially dangerous. In this case it would mean “with [serious] injuries”.

  137. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #65;

    Someone needs to learn the proper meaning of certain adjectives.

    In Portuguese “grave” is used to mean “serious” for something that can be potentially dangerous. In this case it would mean “with [serious] injuries”.

  138. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I reckon I learn something new every day, and that was interesting.

    That’s no much of a surprise when it come to hom much you need to learn about Christianity.

    Perhaps the opposition to the abbreviation is a Catholic thing?

    Hardly.

  139. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I reckon I learn something new every day, and that was interesting.

    That’s no much of a surprise when it come to hom much you need to learn about Christianity.

    Perhaps the opposition to the abbreviation is a Catholic thing?

    Hardly.

  140. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    In my inbox from a West Texas cuz-in-law;

    Stories around the General Store, Texas Septic System.

    /course language

  141. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    In my inbox from a West Texas cuz-in-law;
    Stories around the General Store, Texas Septic System.
    /course language

  142. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #54;

    Very nice!

  143. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #54;
    Very nice!

  144. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I just heard Hugh Hewitt will have Dallin H. Oaks on the show to talk about religious liberty. Dallin H. Oaks is known to me as Elder Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and has a long-standing legal experience. I have read previous writings from Elder Oaks regarding religious liberties and they’re excellent. I invite all to listen tomorrow Hewitt’s show with Elder Oaks on. I’m very excited.

    On another very postive religious note: KJV Bible Celebrates 400 Years. For a very full=-length article on the significance of the king James Version of the Bible and its historical impact on the United States, the English language, and for moral influence around the world, click on As the King James Version of the Bible celebrates 400 years, scholars hope for a renaissance from Deseret News.

    PROVO — Coolio rapped with it, Milton wrote about it and Bosch painted from it. Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr., relied on its calls for charity and civility, and the first time men saw the earth from space they quoted from its opening lines.

    For 400 years, the King James Version of the Bible has inspired and instructed painters and poets, peasants and presidents with its vivid descriptions of plagues and miracles and elegant resuscitations of Christian beliefs.

  145. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I just heard Hugh Hewitt will have Dallin H. Oaks on the show to talk about religious liberty. Dallin H. Oaks is known to me as Elder Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and has a long-standing legal experience. I have read previous writings from Elder Oaks regarding religious liberties and they’re excellent. I invite all to listen tomorrow Hewitt’s show with Elder Oaks on. I’m very excited.
    On another very postive religious note: KJV Bible Celebrates 400 Years. For a very full=-length article on the significance of the king James Version of the Bible and its historical impact on the United States, the English language, and for moral influence around the world, click on As the King James Version of the Bible celebrates 400 years, scholars hope for a renaissance from Deseret News.

    PROVO — Coolio rapped with it, Milton wrote about it and Bosch painted from it. Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr., relied on its calls for charity and civility, and the first time men saw the earth from space they quoted from its opening lines.
    For 400 years, the King James Version of the Bible has inspired and instructed painters and poets, peasants and presidents with its vivid descriptions of plagues and miracles and elegant resuscitations of Christian beliefs.

  146. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    #76 Beck wasn’t speaking Portuguese.

    In English, when speaking of medical condition, the terms in increasing severity are good, fair, serious, critical, and grave. Grave usually means they are not likely to survive. I wouldn’t expect someone in grave condition to be released from the hospital the next morning.

    I also heard Brett Baier use the term later in the news. It’s now looking like that was the condition reported by the Egyptian hospital. If so, I’ll give Mr. Drama a pass on this one 😉

  147. Hamous Avatar

    #76 Beck wasn’t speaking Portuguese.
    In English, when speaking of medical condition, the terms in increasing severity are good, fair, serious, critical, and grave. Grave usually means they are not likely to survive. I wouldn’t expect someone in grave condition to be released from the hospital the next morning.
    I also heard Brett Baier use the term later in the news. It’s now looking like that was the condition reported by the Egyptian hospital. If so, I’ll give Mr. Drama a pass on this one 😉

  148. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Darren, I’m critical of authoritarians that disrespect constitutional limitations of government power, regardless of whether they like to call themselves conservative, liberal, democrat or republican.

    Your attempt to closely connect your War on Drugs with the New Deal is nonsensical. The original justifications for the extra-constitutional prohibition of cannabis have long been proven fallacious, lacking in factual basis, and the result of stoking xenophobic emotions by a bureaucracy that faced extinction as the result of free citizens successfully demanding that government end the unwise and harmful practice of alcohol prohibition. That bureaucracy has continued to not only survive but multiply and thrive, regardless of which party was in charge.

    The Nixon tapes have proven that the man that started your ill fated war on a plant did so for political rather than public health reasons. Yet you still strongly support it. I think that is irrational.

    Dick Nixon is dead. Now it’s your war Darren. And I don’t think you done a very good job of justifying it, at all. I don’t think you even can, and silly scoreboards are a lame attempt.

    Peace.

    Live and let live.

  149. bob42 Avatar

    Darren, I’m critical of authoritarians that disrespect constitutional limitations of government power, regardless of whether they like to call themselves conservative, liberal, democrat or republican.
    Your attempt to closely connect your War on Drugs with the New Deal is nonsensical. The original justifications for the extra-constitutional prohibition of cannabis have long been proven fallacious, lacking in factual basis, and the result of stoking xenophobic emotions by a bureaucracy that faced extinction as the result of free citizens successfully demanding that government end the unwise and harmful practice of alcohol prohibition. That bureaucracy has continued to not only survive but multiply and thrive, regardless of which party was in charge.
    The Nixon tapes have proven that the man that started your ill fated war on a plant did so for political rather than public health reasons. Yet you still strongly support it. I think that is irrational.
    Dick Nixon is dead. Now it’s your war Darren. And I don’t think you done a very good job of justifying it, at all. I don’t think you even can, and silly scoreboards are a lame attempt.
    Peace.
    Live and let live.

  150. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Well our local media orgasmed enough over the weather most of or customers shut down early today and will be closed tomorrow. But still no ice, snow or even rain. Thanks guys, a tribute to you from Michael Berry.

  151. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Well our local media orgasmed enough over the weather most of or customers shut down early today and will be closed tomorrow. But still no ice, snow or even rain. Thanks guys, a tribute to you from Michael Berry.

  152. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Aw now Tim, I expect to see snow falling when I get up in the morning. ABC13’s weather radar shows the prevailing winds bringing the moisture right into the cold air in my area of Houston. (It is odd to see weather coded PINK on their animation display.)

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/doppler?id=5750607&mapnum=3&anim=true

  153. mharper42 Avatar
    mharper42

    Aw now Tim, I expect to see snow falling when I get up in the morning. ABC13’s weather radar shows the prevailing winds bringing the moisture right into the cold air in my area of Houston. (It is odd to see weather coded PINK on their animation display.)
    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/doppler?id=5750607&mapnum=3&anim=true

  154. Tedtam Avatar

    Re: weather

    Yep, we were scheduled to attend a pipeline safety meeting tonight in Pasadena. My clerk and I got there late to find the room half empty and only half the usual number of vendors to give out their freebies after the presentation. She and I scarfed down our barbecue dinners just in time to grab our bags and make the rounds of the vendors. This year seemed to be “cup” and “bag” year. I collected about twelve different types of travel cups and water bottles, most of them very nice. I also got about five nylon bags with the pull-string straps, which I find very useful. I also picked up another tape measure (one year I got about seven of those), some pens (not as many as I expected), four more rain gauges (which I never use, I’ll see if the school could use them), a yo-yo (?), some steak seasoning, a couple of small screwdriver sets, some baseball caps, some visor clips for sunglasses, some nice notebooks, and some other odds and ends. And still no snow or sleet all the way home.

    I picked up multiples of items. The pipeline reps really don’t want to haul all of that marketing stuff back home.

  155. Tedtam Avatar

    Re: weather
    Yep, we were scheduled to attend a pipeline safety meeting tonight in Pasadena. My clerk and I got there late to find the room half empty and only half the usual number of vendors to give out their freebies after the presentation. She and I scarfed down our barbecue dinners just in time to grab our bags and make the rounds of the vendors. This year seemed to be “cup” and “bag” year. I collected about twelve different types of travel cups and water bottles, most of them very nice. I also got about five nylon bags with the pull-string straps, which I find very useful. I also picked up another tape measure (one year I got about seven of those), some pens (not as many as I expected), four more rain gauges (which I never use, I’ll see if the school could use them), a yo-yo (?), some steak seasoning, a couple of small screwdriver sets, some baseball caps, some visor clips for sunglasses, some nice notebooks, and some other odds and ends. And still no snow or sleet all the way home.
    I picked up multiples of items. The pipeline reps really don’t want to haul all of that marketing stuff back home.

  156. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good evening all. Been busy with horse care, laundry, and quick errands before the wintry mix arrived. Except it didn’t this afternoon. Made it to 34 briefly out here in the countryside, then settled in at 33. At 11 pm it’s 29. Spouse said it was lightly misting when he came back from the barn at 10:15. Channel 11 weatherman said Richmond/Rosenberg was getting flurries, but not here yet. Will have to wait until morning to see what we got.

    G’night all.

  157. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good evening all. Been busy with horse care, laundry, and quick errands before the wintry mix arrived. Except it didn’t this afternoon. Made it to 34 briefly out here in the countryside, then settled in at 33. At 11 pm it’s 29. Spouse said it was lightly misting when he came back from the barn at 10:15. Channel 11 weatherman said Richmond/Rosenberg was getting flurries, but not here yet. Will have to wait until morning to see what we got.
    G’night all.

  158. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Just started snowing lightly in the barrio.

  159. Hamous Avatar

    Just started snowing lightly in the barrio.

  160. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Never eat yellow snow.

  161. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Never eat yellow snow.

  162. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #81;

    Purist! 🙂

    I’m sure somewhere down the line “grave” coud simply mean “serious”.

  163. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Hamous #81;
    Purist! 🙂
    I’m sure somewhere down the line “grave” coud simply mean “serious”.

  164. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    Darren, I’m critical of authoritarians that disrespect constitutional limitations of government power, regardless of whether they like to call themselves conservative, liberal, democrat or republican.

    No, you’re not. You’re critical of conservatives in the mere perception of authoritariansim. Federalism is secondary to you in what you support or not the government does. If superceeding state sovereignty helps you do what you think government should, then that’s what you support. You don’t care for our government’s design of powers limited to the federal government and given to the states. You go for the quick fix first. If there’s an ill in society, you do not mind at all increasing the federal government’s authority to get rid of it for us. That pretty much sums up your support for activist judges. Unless, of course ,that judge is conservative, then you let loose your tongue and give them a lashing.

    Your attempt to closely connect your War on Drugs with the New Deal is nonsensical.

    Hmmmm, I don’t think I connected that, I think Pajamas Media did. i just delivered the message to you. So, what, the federal government didn’t authorize itself to penalize intrastate drug possession under the New Deal? Is it factually and historically wrong to make that conclusion? If it is, I have not seen anything from you to show me the err of PM’s way or to the falsehood of my delivering its message to you. I did, however, hear a lot from you about how bad Justcie Scalia is on the bench and how the early 20th century Progressives need defending because, despite Justice Scalia, they upheld some sense of constitutionality when they themselves ushered in Prohibition.

    The original justifications for the extra-constitutional prohibition of cannabis have long been proven fallacious, lacking in factual basis, and the result of stoking xenophobic emotions by a bureaucracy that faced extinction as the result of free citizens successfully demanding that government end the unwise and harmful practice of alcohol prohibition.

    And you defended those that gave you Prohibition while attacing the one out of four conservative Supreme Court judges that more or less upheld that type of federal power and not a peep about the five liberal/hardcore liberal jdges whom Scalia sided with on that same authoritarian declaration. These types of judges you have defended in eroding federalism. When true authoritariansm stares you in the face you say nothing unless it is by a conservative. And with conservatives you will go way beyond reality and find authoritarianism where none exists.

    That bureaucracy has continued to not only survive but multiply and thrive, regardless of which party was in charge.

    What? What do I hear? oh, it’s bob blaming, get this, both parties. And look at the very next sentence:

    Dick Nixon is dead. Now it’s your war Darren.

    Why it’s bob attacking a Republican and a Conservative respectively. No liberals are to blame exclusively although The New Deal was very liberal and initiated the federal government’s nation-wide War on Drugs. This was way before “Dick” (why would bob call President Nixon “Dick” right now? Hmmm probably for the same reason he called Justice Scalia a “jerk (off)”. What of liberals? Well, rest assured, they’r not any worse than Republicans and Conservatives. In bob’s fetish with penis terminologies, we can hpe he delivers us from Conservatives and Republicans,especially if they defend federalism).

    Now back up a tad, bob:

    The Nixon tapes have proven that the man that started your ill fated war on a plant did so for political rather than public health reasons. Yet you still strongly support it. I think that is irrational.

    President Nixon “started it”? What date did Nixon “start” the “War on a Plant”? And it’s “my war”? Huh? I want this power to rest with the states and I support Nixon’s “War on a Plant”? Bob doesn’t even conceptualize federalism or he would never make these claims against me. Oh, wait, I’m Conservative and Nixon. I guess Nixon could be qualified as a Progressive in his governing so there is some credit for bob attacking the right dude; but Nixon still was a Republican.

    I don’t think you even can, and silly scoreboards are a lame attempt.

    Current scoreboard would be Conservatives = -212; Liberals = +11. Could you explain the pattern, bob?

    Live and let live.

    Does that include conservatism? No, of course not.

    Silly bob.

  165. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    Darren, I’m critical of authoritarians that disrespect constitutional limitations of government power, regardless of whether they like to call themselves conservative, liberal, democrat or republican.

    No, you’re not. You’re critical of conservatives in the mere perception of authoritariansim. Federalism is secondary to you in what you support or not the government does. If superceeding state sovereignty helps you do what you think government should, then that’s what you support. You don’t care for our government’s design of powers limited to the federal government and given to the states. You go for the quick fix first. If there’s an ill in society, you do not mind at all increasing the federal government’s authority to get rid of it for us. That pretty much sums up your support for activist judges. Unless, of course ,that judge is conservative, then you let loose your tongue and give them a lashing.

    Your attempt to closely connect your War on Drugs with the New Deal is nonsensical.

    Hmmmm, I don’t think I connected that, I think Pajamas Media did. i just delivered the message to you. So, what, the federal government didn’t authorize itself to penalize intrastate drug possession under the New Deal? Is it factually and historically wrong to make that conclusion? If it is, I have not seen anything from you to show me the err of PM’s way or to the falsehood of my delivering its message to you. I did, however, hear a lot from you about how bad Justcie Scalia is on the bench and how the early 20th century Progressives need defending because, despite Justice Scalia, they upheld some sense of constitutionality when they themselves ushered in Prohibition.

    The original justifications for the extra-constitutional prohibition of cannabis have long been proven fallacious, lacking in factual basis, and the result of stoking xenophobic emotions by a bureaucracy that faced extinction as the result of free citizens successfully demanding that government end the unwise and harmful practice of alcohol prohibition.

    And you defended those that gave you Prohibition while attacing the one out of four conservative Supreme Court judges that more or less upheld that type of federal power and not a peep about the five liberal/hardcore liberal jdges whom Scalia sided with on that same authoritarian declaration. These types of judges you have defended in eroding federalism. When true authoritariansm stares you in the face you say nothing unless it is by a conservative. And with conservatives you will go way beyond reality and find authoritarianism where none exists.

    That bureaucracy has continued to not only survive but multiply and thrive, regardless of which party was in charge.

    What? What do I hear? oh, it’s bob blaming, get this, both parties. And look at the very next sentence:

    Dick Nixon is dead. Now it’s your war Darren.

    Why it’s bob attacking a Republican and a Conservative respectively. No liberals are to blame exclusively although The New Deal was very liberal and initiated the federal government’s nation-wide War on Drugs. This was way before “Dick” (why would bob call President Nixon “Dick” right now? Hmmm probably for the same reason he called Justice Scalia a “jerk (off)”. What of liberals? Well, rest assured, they’r not any worse than Republicans and Conservatives. In bob’s fetish with penis terminologies, we can hpe he delivers us from Conservatives and Republicans,especially if they defend federalism).
    Now back up a tad, bob:

    The Nixon tapes have proven that the man that started your ill fated war on a plant did so for political rather than public health reasons. Yet you still strongly support it. I think that is irrational.

    President Nixon “started it”? What date did Nixon “start” the “War on a Plant”? And it’s “my war”? Huh? I want this power to rest with the states and I support Nixon’s “War on a Plant”? Bob doesn’t even conceptualize federalism or he would never make these claims against me. Oh, wait, I’m Conservative and Nixon. I guess Nixon could be qualified as a Progressive in his governing so there is some credit for bob attacking the right dude; but Nixon still was a Republican.

    I don’t think you even can, and silly scoreboards are a lame attempt.

    Current scoreboard would be Conservatives = -212; Liberals = +11. Could you explain the pattern, bob?

    Live and let live.

    Does that include conservatism? No, of course not.
    Silly bob.

  166. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Darren, why not simply google “Nixon tapes marijuana” and listen to it for yourself, instead of simply remaining in denial?

    I’ve pointed out that the DEA and ONDCP have grown in size and budget, and arrests have during every presidency since Nixon. Even Carter and Clinton. I liked Regan as a fiscal conservative, but disliked his authoritarian drug policies. So again, you’re wrong, and have not case to support your misshapen opinion of what I’m critical of.

    No, you’re not. You’re critical of conservatives in the mere perception of authoritariansim.

    It’s junk statements such as that one that makes you such an outstanding authoritarian. It’s not a bad word, man. Be proud of how you like to empower government to tell others how they should live there lives.

  167. bob42 Avatar

    Darren, why not simply google “Nixon tapes marijuana” and listen to it for yourself, instead of simply remaining in denial?
    I’ve pointed out that the DEA and ONDCP have grown in size and budget, and arrests have during every presidency since Nixon. Even Carter and Clinton. I liked Regan as a fiscal conservative, but disliked his authoritarian drug policies. So again, you’re wrong, and have not case to support your misshapen opinion of what I’m critical of.

    No, you’re not. You’re critical of conservatives in the mere perception of authoritariansim.

    It’s junk statements such as that one that makes you such an outstanding authoritarian. It’s not a bad word, man. Be proud of how you like to empower government to tell others how they should live there lives.

  168. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    Darren, why not simply google “Nixon tapes marijuana” and listen to it for yourself, instead of simply remaining in denial?

    Key word is “start”. I’d probably intepret thae meaning of the word “war”. If it’s an all-out use of force, then Nixon would be crowned the mantle of “drug war starter”; but the powers he used were in place long before Nixon arrived on the scene. How’d they get tere?

    It’s junk statements such as that one that makes you such an outstanding authoritarian.

    Thanks for the “compliment”.

    Be proud of how you like to empower government to tell others how they should live there lives.

    Like The New Deal? No, thanks. But just in case I go liberal would you please defend me, even a little? Thanks.

  169. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    Darren, why not simply google “Nixon tapes marijuana” and listen to it for yourself, instead of simply remaining in denial?

    Key word is “start”. I’d probably intepret thae meaning of the word “war”. If it’s an all-out use of force, then Nixon would be crowned the mantle of “drug war starter”; but the powers he used were in place long before Nixon arrived on the scene. How’d they get tere?

    It’s junk statements such as that one that makes you such an outstanding authoritarian.

    Thanks for the “compliment”.

    Be proud of how you like to empower government to tell others how they should live there lives.

    Like The New Deal? No, thanks. But just in case I go liberal would you please defend me, even a little? Thanks.

  170. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    OK, since you don’t seem to want to hear or see the evidence for yourself, I’ll try to make you curious.

    In 1970, congress was unsure if cannabis should be classified as a “Schedule one” controlled dangerous substance (like heroin) and ordered a commission to study its harms and dangers. Even though Nixon stacked half of the committee with social conservative authoritarians, shortly before their report was to be released, he learned that instead of supporting his policies, the commission was leaning toward legalization and regulation, or at the most a Schedule Three classification. He went ape-poop angry. That”s the best part of the tape on that subject. It’s really is worth a listen, and there are PDF transcripts aplenty.

    …but the powers he used were in place long before Nixon arrived on the scene. How’d they get tere?

    They were a long time coming. The shift to an almost “Imperial Presidency” began in the 1800s and has incrementally grown over time, and this shift in the balance of power was supported by both political parties. The shift is due in part to congress critters, preferring to be lifetime professional politicians, reducing the overall role of the lege helped to avoid them being held electorally responsible. It’s nice to have a term limited scapegoat in the White House, and even nicer to know that the pendulum of Oval office residency will swing back your way.

    The book mentioned below is a good and recommended read, as is the full article.

    Clinton raises doubts because her husband did not shrink from claiming the right to do as he pleased. His Justice Department insisted that the president may refuse to enforce laws he regards as unconstitutional, much as Bush has done. Clinton sent troops to Haiti, which posed no military threat, without bothering to ask Congress.

    Worse still, he went to war in Kosovo even though Congress had voted down a measure authorizing it (a decision his wife urged him to make). Cato Institute policy analyst Gene Healy, in his invaluable new book The Cult of the Presidency, writes that “when it came to presidential prerogatives, Bill Clinton behaved little differently—and in some ways, more aggressively—than his Republican predecessors.”

  171. bob42 Avatar

    OK, since you don’t seem to want to hear or see the evidence for yourself, I’ll try to make you curious.
    In 1970, congress was unsure if cannabis should be classified as a “Schedule one” controlled dangerous substance (like heroin) and ordered a commission to study its harms and dangers. Even though Nixon stacked half of the committee with social conservative authoritarians, shortly before their report was to be released, he learned that instead of supporting his policies, the commission was leaning toward legalization and regulation, or at the most a Schedule Three classification. He went ape-poop angry. That”s the best part of the tape on that subject. It’s really is worth a listen, and there are PDF transcripts aplenty.

    …but the powers he used were in place long before Nixon arrived on the scene. How’d they get tere?

    They were a long time coming. The shift to an almost “Imperial Presidency” began in the 1800s and has incrementally grown over time, and this shift in the balance of power was supported by both political parties. The shift is due in part to congress critters, preferring to be lifetime professional politicians, reducing the overall role of the lege helped to avoid them being held electorally responsible. It’s nice to have a term limited scapegoat in the White House, and even nicer to know that the pendulum of Oval office residency will swing back your way.
    The book mentioned below is a good and recommended read, as is the full article.

    Clinton raises doubts because her husband did not shrink from claiming the right to do as he pleased. His Justice Department insisted that the president may refuse to enforce laws he regards as unconstitutional, much as Bush has done. Clinton sent troops to Haiti, which posed no military threat, without bothering to ask Congress.
    Worse still, he went to war in Kosovo even though Congress had voted down a measure authorizing it (a decision his wife urged him to make). Cato Institute policy analyst Gene Healy, in his invaluable new book The Cult of the Presidency, writes that “when it came to presidential prerogatives, Bill Clinton behaved little differently—and in some ways, more aggressively—than his Republican predecessors.”

  172. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Sorry for all the bold. The tag should have been closed after “legalize.”

  173. bob42 Avatar

    Sorry for all the bold. The tag should have been closed after “legalize.”

  174. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In 1970

    1970 The authorizatrion Nixon needed began? Huh?

    Even though Nixon stacked half of the committee with social conservative authoritarians

    Excellent. Who were they? My understanding is that Nixon hardly governed as asocial conservative, period. In fact, nhardly a social conservastive went to his aid when the Watergate tapes broke because by that time he pi$$ed them all off. So, who were these “social conservative” authoritarians?

    The shift to an almost “Imperial Presidency” began in the 1800s and has incrementally grown over time, and this shift in the balance of power was supported by both political parties.

    Thaty government grew in power is no shocker. Government’s grown in power since the founding our the nation. The first big one I know of is the Supreme Court endowing itself with the power of judicial review. What I’m loking for is the specific powers the federal government gave itself to crack down on drugs nation-wide. Now you once again mention “both parties”. I do not at all disagree. But you declare “both parties” to avoid isolating the much more liberal party. There is no sense to this except that you care far less about how the government governs as long as what you think is socially necessary takes place. You do not mind at all the federal government intruding into state affairs as long as it carries out things like gay marriage and legal/decriminalized drugs. This is a very centtral issue in my animosity towards your posts.

    So, if you’ll humor me, could you say who are, let’s say, the three biggest the biggest culprits in increasing power to the central govenment? Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, etc? So far I got Nixon who, again, is far more a progressive thinker than a social conservative.

    The shift to an almost “Imperial Presidency” began in the 1800s and has incrementally grown over time, and this shift in the balance of power was supported by both political parties. The shift is due in part to congress critters, preferring to be lifetime professional politicians, reducing the overall role of the lege helped to avoid them being held electorally responsible.

    If that’s your source of “concern” over government control where on the severity spectrum would you place the Obama administration. I hear a lot of bad socail cons from you, what of Obama. And, please, isolate his administration and let me know what you think.

    It’s nice to have a term limited scapegoat in the White House, and even nicer to know that the pendulum of Oval office residency will swing back your way.

    I’ve no idea what “my way” means. I think I’ve made it very, VERY clear that i do not support the federal government’s WOD.

    Clinton raises doubts because her husband did not shrink from claiming the right to do as he pleased. His Justice Department insisted that the president may refuse to enforce laws he regards as unconstitutional, much as Bush has done

    (snip)

    Cato Institute policy analyst Gene Healy, in his invaluable new book The Cult of the Presidency, writes that “when it came to presidential prerogatives, Bill Clinton behaved little differently—and in some ways, more aggressively—than his Republican predecessors.”

    You see. You cannot seem to EVER cite something negative about a left wing governor without also including a more socially conservative (though I’d strongly contend in classifying Bush’s administration as a whole as socially conservative). This is why I ask you to take some time and respond to the above inquiry and challenge.

  175. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    In 1970

    1970 The authorizatrion Nixon needed began? Huh?

    Even though Nixon stacked half of the committee with social conservative authoritarians

    Excellent. Who were they? My understanding is that Nixon hardly governed as asocial conservative, period. In fact, nhardly a social conservastive went to his aid when the Watergate tapes broke because by that time he pi$$ed them all off. So, who were these “social conservative” authoritarians?

    The shift to an almost “Imperial Presidency” began in the 1800s and has incrementally grown over time, and this shift in the balance of power was supported by both political parties.

    Thaty government grew in power is no shocker. Government’s grown in power since the founding our the nation. The first big one I know of is the Supreme Court endowing itself with the power of judicial review. What I’m loking for is the specific powers the federal government gave itself to crack down on drugs nation-wide. Now you once again mention “both parties”. I do not at all disagree. But you declare “both parties” to avoid isolating the much more liberal party. There is no sense to this except that you care far less about how the government governs as long as what you think is socially necessary takes place. You do not mind at all the federal government intruding into state affairs as long as it carries out things like gay marriage and legal/decriminalized drugs. This is a very centtral issue in my animosity towards your posts.
    So, if you’ll humor me, could you say who are, let’s say, the three biggest the biggest culprits in increasing power to the central govenment? Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, etc? So far I got Nixon who, again, is far more a progressive thinker than a social conservative.

    The shift to an almost “Imperial Presidency” began in the 1800s and has incrementally grown over time, and this shift in the balance of power was supported by both political parties. The shift is due in part to congress critters, preferring to be lifetime professional politicians, reducing the overall role of the lege helped to avoid them being held electorally responsible.

    If that’s your source of “concern” over government control where on the severity spectrum would you place the Obama administration. I hear a lot of bad socail cons from you, what of Obama. And, please, isolate his administration and let me know what you think.

    It’s nice to have a term limited scapegoat in the White House, and even nicer to know that the pendulum of Oval office residency will swing back your way.

    I’ve no idea what “my way” means. I think I’ve made it very, VERY clear that i do not support the federal government’s WOD.

    Clinton raises doubts because her husband did not shrink from claiming the right to do as he pleased. His Justice Department insisted that the president may refuse to enforce laws he regards as unconstitutional, much as Bush has done
    (snip)
    Cato Institute policy analyst Gene Healy, in his invaluable new book The Cult of the Presidency, writes that “when it came to presidential prerogatives, Bill Clinton behaved little differently—and in some ways, more aggressively—than his Republican predecessors.”

    You see. You cannot seem to EVER cite something negative about a left wing governor without also including a more socially conservative (though I’d strongly contend in classifying Bush’s administration as a whole as socially conservative). This is why I ask you to take some time and respond to the above inquiry and challenge.

  176. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Darren, I’m a hobbyist blogger, not a reference librarian. Look up the Shafer commission for yourself. It’s all on the web. And while your at it, read up on the Nixon tapes. You’re impression of his presidency is, well, unique.

    Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, etc? So far I got Nixon who, again, is far more a progressive thinker than a social conservative.

    Nixon was a progressive? Gee, thanks for the beer spew! As I mentioned above the shift to a more powerful executive branch began in the 1800s. I should have added that it wasn’t the early 1800s, but you should know that Washington, Jefferson, and even Adams would be opposed to such a shift.

    As for your assertion that I cut liberal authoritarians any slack, please realize that this, as well as LST are/were conservative blogs. I consider my self neither “left” nor “right” and on liberal blogs I do not hesitate to criticize liberal authoritarian points of view.

    I’m glad to see you state your disagreement with federal cannabis policies. A question for you: how do you justify states prohibiting what people might eat, drink or smoke?

  177. bob42 Avatar

    Darren, I’m a hobbyist blogger, not a reference librarian. Look up the Shafer commission for yourself. It’s all on the web. And while your at it, read up on the Nixon tapes. You’re impression of his presidency is, well, unique.

    Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, etc? So far I got Nixon who, again, is far more a progressive thinker than a social conservative.

    Nixon was a progressive? Gee, thanks for the beer spew! As I mentioned above the shift to a more powerful executive branch began in the 1800s. I should have added that it wasn’t the early 1800s, but you should know that Washington, Jefferson, and even Adams would be opposed to such a shift.
    As for your assertion that I cut liberal authoritarians any slack, please realize that this, as well as LST are/were conservative blogs. I consider my self neither “left” nor “right” and on liberal blogs I do not hesitate to criticize liberal authoritarian points of view.
    I’m glad to see you state your disagreement with federal cannabis policies. A question for you: how do you justify states prohibiting what people might eat, drink or smoke?

  178. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    Ther New Federalism was initiated by Nixcon and on its face it would have been a friend to the War on Drugs according to the world of bob. Shoot forward a few decades and the courts got involved and in Gonzalez v. Raich the Supreme Court declared that the Commerce Clause to regulate marajuana. This decision, though you very much approve of courts superceeding state authority, should be a dire enemy to you. But it’s not. The only element of contention you’ve expressed is that Scalia split from the three other conservative judges and supported this bad court decision. “New federalism” in and of itself is conservative-based though I’d argue that it is not good enough. The 10th Amendment should suffice but, alas, New federalism is better than the New Deal poplicies and at the very least it was a move in the right direction.

    Price controls as well as playing nice in Vietnam while negotiating a get out plan I find atrocious and very progressive. We need only to look to today’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (let’s leave non-intervention for another day, I wanna focus on drugs) to have seen the drastic effects of such a war policy. And pricve control inherently makes the federal government supreme above all states. Like Obamacare, price controls would ultimately the federal government to regulate many aspects of individual lives ad what should be state decisions.

    Nixon also left the gold standard (arguably good but leaving the economy left without a standard does open the door for economic inflation through unfettered printing of dollars, kinda what’s happening right now), made enviromental reforms including the creation of the Enviromental Protection Agency, and along with drugs, he declared war on cancer. these views are far more progressive than conservative, bob. When you first protrayed Nixon as a social soservative on Lone Star Times I had my own beer spew and I don’t even drink beer.
    Nixon was no more a conservative president than McCain would be today if he won the election. Just because Nixon disliked hippies doesn’t make him a conservative, fiscally or socially.

    As for your assertion that I cut liberal authoritarians any slack, please realize that this, as well as LST are/were conservative blogs. I consider my self neither “left” nor “right” and on liberal blogs I do not hesitate to criticize liberal authoritarian points of view.

    That’s all fine and good but if you would entertain my previous request, I truly would appreciate it.

  179. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;
    Ther New Federalism was initiated by Nixcon and on its face it would have been a friend to the War on Drugs according to the world of bob. Shoot forward a few decades and the courts got involved and in Gonzalez v. Raich the Supreme Court declared that the Commerce Clause to regulate marajuana. This decision, though you very much approve of courts superceeding state authority, should be a dire enemy to you. But it’s not. The only element of contention you’ve expressed is that Scalia split from the three other conservative judges and supported this bad court decision. “New federalism” in and of itself is conservative-based though I’d argue that it is not good enough. The 10th Amendment should suffice but, alas, New federalism is better than the New Deal poplicies and at the very least it was a move in the right direction.
    Price controls as well as playing nice in Vietnam while negotiating a get out plan I find atrocious and very progressive. We need only to look to today’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (let’s leave non-intervention for another day, I wanna focus on drugs) to have seen the drastic effects of such a war policy. And pricve control inherently makes the federal government supreme above all states. Like Obamacare, price controls would ultimately the federal government to regulate many aspects of individual lives ad what should be state decisions.
    Nixon also left the gold standard (arguably good but leaving the economy left without a standard does open the door for economic inflation through unfettered printing of dollars, kinda what’s happening right now), made enviromental reforms including the creation of the Enviromental Protection Agency, and along with drugs, he declared war on cancer. these views are far more progressive than conservative, bob. When you first protrayed Nixon as a social soservative on Lone Star Times I had my own beer spew and I don’t even drink beer.
    Nixon was no more a conservative president than McCain would be today if he won the election. Just because Nixon disliked hippies doesn’t make him a conservative, fiscally or socially.

    As for your assertion that I cut liberal authoritarians any slack, please realize that this, as well as LST are/were conservative blogs. I consider my self neither “left” nor “right” and on liberal blogs I do not hesitate to criticize liberal authoritarian points of view.

    That’s all fine and good but if you would entertain my previous request, I truly would appreciate it.

  180. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I’m glad to see you state your disagreement with federal cannabis policies. A question for you: how do you justify states prohibiting what people might eat, drink or smoke?

    You always act like this is the first time you’ve heard of my opposition to federal control over drugs. Weird.

    As for the states, I do think it is a better good to have current illicit drugs remain illegal than to legalize them. I’m open to decriminalizaton of some drugs based upon state needs but that needs to be approached cuatiously, not in te manner you portray that the be all and end all of good governance depends on gay marriage and legal drugs. Furthermore, I would toally repect, despite my opposition, the will of the people if they vote to legalize drugs and would not support a federal judge nulllifying that vote. Not everybody is in accordance of that position; but the vast majority of conservatives would be. In fact, that’s a very conservative position to take.

  181. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    I’m glad to see you state your disagreement with federal cannabis policies. A question for you: how do you justify states prohibiting what people might eat, drink or smoke?

    You always act like this is the first time you’ve heard of my opposition to federal control over drugs. Weird.
    As for the states, I do think it is a better good to have current illicit drugs remain illegal than to legalize them. I’m open to decriminalizaton of some drugs based upon state needs but that needs to be approached cuatiously, not in te manner you portray that the be all and end all of good governance depends on gay marriage and legal drugs. Furthermore, I would toally repect, despite my opposition, the will of the people if they vote to legalize drugs and would not support a federal judge nulllifying that vote. Not everybody is in accordance of that position; but the vast majority of conservatives would be. In fact, that’s a very conservative position to take.

  182. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    Interesting. I think conservatives are missing an opportunity by remaining in favor of current cannabis policies at both the state and federal levels. Trouble is, their politicians generally won’t risk a rational conversation on reform or changes. As I’ve mentioned before, Gary Johnson is a conservative that gets it right on those policies.

    The DEA and the ONDCP are two federal departments with fat budgets, much of which is wasted on cannabis prohibition. I think they should be drastically cut, if not entirely eliminated. If voters in a state wish to continue to attempt to prohibit cannabis, I say let them pay for it with state funds, not mine.

  183. bob42 Avatar

    Interesting. I think conservatives are missing an opportunity by remaining in favor of current cannabis policies at both the state and federal levels. Trouble is, their politicians generally won’t risk a rational conversation on reform or changes. As I’ve mentioned before, Gary Johnson is a conservative that gets it right on those policies.
    The DEA and the ONDCP are two federal departments with fat budgets, much of which is wasted on cannabis prohibition. I think they should be drastically cut, if not entirely eliminated. If voters in a state wish to continue to attempt to prohibit cannabis, I say let them pay for it with state funds, not mine.

  184. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    bob;

    I’m not arguing about any politician, including conservatives, who would rather allow current federal drug policies carry out rather than take the position that the federal government should not have such authority in the first place. Mike Lee is the only national figure I can think of that has ever taken that position and has laid out the case clearly with no ambiguity. The article I posted the other day from Buckley Jr.’s prize child, National Review Online, even said as much. But Lee is not of the position to get rid of federal drug policies because drug policies are bad, waste, money, ruin lives needlessly, blah, blah, blah. That’s Gary Johnson’s position and it’s more of a libertarian one, not conservative. Mike Lee’s made it clear that he favors eradicating federal drug policies on purely intrastate drug action in order to preserve the federalistic nature of our government. I strongly suspect that had Johnson presented his own answer along those lines thse “authoritarian” tea partiers would have cheered, not booed him. Johnson, like you, is probably far too idealistc to think along those lines and therefore he deserves every single boo he gets and these booes are not at all inherently authoritarian.

    Now, you’ve bashed Nixon in again, and again, and again, and again for the War on Drugs yet when chellenged as to where he got his power to wage such a war, you have said absolutely nothing except to attack me who pointed out that it was part of The New Deal legislation.

    Up to this point you’ve said nothing as to what liberals have done to open up this war you so heedlessly condemn. NOTHING. When presented the 2005 court case which reaffirmed the federal government’s power to wage this war, you’ve said nothing against it excep rack Scalia over the coals over the coals for being authoritarian. He was but one of 5 justices who voted for that decision and yet, oddly enough, the only one you isolated to berate as authoritarian. In other instances, you have openly suported the court in authorizing the federal government to control state legislation. Those are very liberal judges in nature and by what I find of no irony, you left all the liberal judges alone in the Gonzalez v. Raich case but attacked Scalia exclusively. Scalia and the four others voted for the exact same authoritarian government but it’s Scalia that you chose to target.

    After being presented with presented with The New Deal legislation that gave the federal government authoritarian powers to crack down (no pun intended) on drugs, you accused me for trying to stretch things make the connection to federal drug crack down and The New Deal. You attack conservatives in an isolated and targetted fashiopn and as seen right here you do not do as much for liberal authoritarians. Don’t talk about how Republicans are wasting an opportunity to clear their name in federalism when you yourself refuses to clear up your name and present a more honest position regarding your personal beliefs and desires.

    The DEA and the ONDCP are two federal departments with fat budgets, much of which is wasted on cannabis prohibition. I think they should be drastically cut, if not entirely eliminated. If voters in a state wish to continue to attempt to prohibit cannabis, I say let them pay for it with state funds, not mine.

    That’s a very sensical argument to make and I don’t think you’ll find anyone on Hamous’ website disagreeing with that.

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    Darren

    bob;
    I’m not arguing about any politician, including conservatives, who would rather allow current federal drug policies carry out rather than take the position that the federal government should not have such authority in the first place. Mike Lee is the only national figure I can think of that has ever taken that position and has laid out the case clearly with no ambiguity. The article I posted the other day from Buckley Jr.’s prize child, National Review Online, even said as much. But Lee is not of the position to get rid of federal drug policies because drug policies are bad, waste, money, ruin lives needlessly, blah, blah, blah. That’s Gary Johnson’s position and it’s more of a libertarian one, not conservative. Mike Lee’s made it clear that he favors eradicating federal drug policies on purely intrastate drug action in order to preserve the federalistic nature of our government. I strongly suspect that had Johnson presented his own answer along those lines thse “authoritarian” tea partiers would have cheered, not booed him. Johnson, like you, is probably far too idealistc to think along those lines and therefore he deserves every single boo he gets and these booes are not at all inherently authoritarian.
    Now, you’ve bashed Nixon in again, and again, and again, and again for the War on Drugs yet when chellenged as to where he got his power to wage such a war, you have said absolutely nothing except to attack me who pointed out that it was part of The New Deal legislation.
    Up to this point you’ve said nothing as to what liberals have done to open up this war you so heedlessly condemn. NOTHING. When presented the 2005 court case which reaffirmed the federal government’s power to wage this war, you’ve said nothing against it excep rack Scalia over the coals over the coals for being authoritarian. He was but one of 5 justices who voted for that decision and yet, oddly enough, the only one you isolated to berate as authoritarian. In other instances, you have openly suported the court in authorizing the federal government to control state legislation. Those are very liberal judges in nature and by what I find of no irony, you left all the liberal judges alone in the Gonzalez v. Raich case but attacked Scalia exclusively. Scalia and the four others voted for the exact same authoritarian government but it’s Scalia that you chose to target.
    After being presented with presented with The New Deal legislation that gave the federal government authoritarian powers to crack down (no pun intended) on drugs, you accused me for trying to stretch things make the connection to federal drug crack down and The New Deal. You attack conservatives in an isolated and targetted fashiopn and as seen right here you do not do as much for liberal authoritarians. Don’t talk about how Republicans are wasting an opportunity to clear their name in federalism when you yourself refuses to clear up your name and present a more honest position regarding your personal beliefs and desires.

    The DEA and the ONDCP are two federal departments with fat budgets, much of which is wasted on cannabis prohibition. I think they should be drastically cut, if not entirely eliminated. If voters in a state wish to continue to attempt to prohibit cannabis, I say let them pay for it with state funds, not mine.

    That’s a very sensical argument to make and I don’t think you’ll find anyone on Hamous’ website disagreeing with that.

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