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One of the nefarious pieces of legislation slipped into the Obamacare monstrosity that no one read had to do with new reporting requirements on small businesses to fill out 1099 forms on all transactions greater than $600.  This seems to be rankling gold dealers in particular.

Thomas Sowell explores the ins and outs of this legislation:

Whether gold is a good investment for individuals, and whether the gold standard is the right system for a country, are much more complicated questions than can be answered here. But what is clear is that the Obama administration sees people’s freedom to buy and sell gold as something that can limit what the government can do.

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  1. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    I’m glad Hammy was up in time to open a thread. I arrived home last night just before 11:00, read the comments on yesterday’s thread (and laughed out loud a bit), and then my muse came awake and I began typing. I have an oversized battery on my computer, and I ran the battery from fully charged to less than 10 minutes before I could stop. I lost all track of time. I ended up going to bed around 1:15 am. I am surprisingly functional at this time, though I am sure a nap will be needed later. I need to tweak it a bit, but Abraham and Sarah will be making an appearance soon.

    We had a workshop at my church recently on charisms. Charisms were defined as not just talents, but gifts from God, which could never be used for evil, and whose effects seem to be beyond the normal effort. I sometimes feel like that when I teach. I have yet to determine if my writing is a hobby, a talent, or a charism. I only know that there are times when I think I can close my mind and my fingers would move on their own. While I’ve felt the ability to write all my life, it’s only been in the last few years that I’ve gained the confidence to share what flows from my fingertips. For that I thank the LST family and Hamous in particular. You guys are awesome!

    And thanks, Hammy, for getting up early!

  2. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    And that $600 limit thing will be a major PITA for us. Like most of what the Obama/Pelosi/Reid administration have “accomplished” so far.

  3. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Gotta love how Drudge puts his headlines:
    First, a lovely picture of Hillary, putting her in her best light /sarc off
    Then, across the page: Obama with the caption “Buck up”
    Then, Biden with the caption “Buck up”
    Then, a dollar bill, “Buck down”

    heh

  4. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I always thought that 1099’s were for things like payment for services or interest, etc. I had never thought of them as proxies for a stack of receipts.

    Until now.

  5. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    I always thought that 1099’s were for things like payment for services or interest, etc. I had never thought of them as proxies for a stack of receipts.

    Until now.

  6. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I see Meglet made an appearance on yesterday’s thread. Welcome Meglet!

  7. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Hi, Meglet!

  8. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    One of the nefarious pieces of legislation slipped into the Obamacare monstrosity that no one read had to do with new reporting requirements on small businesses to fill out 1099 forms on all transactions greater than $600.

    Yet Warren Buffett thinks that voters shouldn’t be angry because it’s bad for the economic recovery. Apparently it never occurred to Mr. BigBucks that maybe some of the rest of us would like to be wealthy someday too. Can you say “out of touch”? Sure. I knew you could.

  9. The Dude Avatar
    The Dude

    One of the nefarious pieces of legislation slipped into the Obamacare monstrosity that no one read had to do with new reporting requirements on small businesses to fill out 1099 forms on all transactions greater than $600.

    Yet Warren Buffett thinks that voters shouldn’t be angry because it’s bad for the economic recovery. Apparently it never occurred to Mr. BigBucks that maybe some of the rest of us would like to be wealthy someday too. Can you say “out of touch”? Sure. I knew you could.

  10. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    G’Morning all
    Special G’Morning to Meglet

    Under the new health care bill – did you know that all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don’t kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama’s re-election or leaving office). If you sell your $200,000 home, there will be a $7600 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Is this Hope & Change great or what? Does this stuff make your November and 2012 votes more important?

    Oh, you weren’t aware this was in the obamacare bill? Guess what, you aren’t alone. There are more than a few members of Congress that aren’t aware of it either (result of clandestine midnight voting for huge bills they’ve never read). AND, there are a few other surprises lurking.

    Sure makes me glad I’m old and withered, in the house I’ll die in, have my old age tax rates locked in and my assets in a trust the government can’t touch.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      Sure makes me glad I’m old and withered, in the house I’ll die in, have my old age tax rates locked in and my assets in a trust the government can’t touch.

      Go ahead, rub it in.

      1. OletimerLin Avatar
        OletimerLin

        Go ahead, rub it in.

        3

        🙂

        BTW, when ya gonna post some of the stuff you been writing?

      2. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        She will.

        Her stuff is pretty good, especially when she writes on biblical themes.

      3. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        I have a post ready, but as I stated above, it was hours of non-stop writing. The word count is over 2,200, so it’s a long post. I have a call in to Hammy requesting directions on how to post it without knocking the OC thread off the front page. This setup is different from the last one, and I thought I had it figured out, but the preview had it all as one long post.

        Soon. Very soon.

  11. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    Go ahead, rub it in.

    3

    🙂

    BTW, when ya gonna post some of the stuff you been writing?

  12. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good morning all. A wonderful 52 at 6 with a delightful day ahead. Umm, we deserve it, but thank you, Lord, for it. Energy to do outdoor stuff was renewed yesterday morning, just in time to help blunt the sorrow over LST ceasing publication.

    Happy to rejoin our merry madcap band over here with Hamous. Thank you, sir, for opening your home to us. Thanks to everyone who did the heavy lifting as a front pager, to all the commenters, to all the unseen visitors. It was a good ride. And the cockeyed optimist in me likes to think it’s in mothballs, not dead. I also regularly started the day with LST and its predecessor; not sure how many years they covered, for as you know, time goes faster the older you get….Howsomever, considering the alternative, let time keep running.

    Am part way through yesterday’s comments, catching up. But I had to sign up and get my password soonest so I could greet everybody this morning. See y’all a bit later.

  13. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    I saw where the New York Times is trying to dig up sex scandals on the GOP nominees. They better be careful, if they print too many of them, they’ll have the DEMS running over to us.

  14. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    I saw where the New York Times is trying to dig up sex scandals on the GOP nominees. They better be careful, if they print too many of them, they’ll have the DEMS running over to us.

  15. SC Avatar
    SC

    Looks like more and more are showing up. Anyone heard from Big45 after his procedure?

  16. SC Avatar
    SC

    Looks like more and more are showing up. Anyone heard from Big45 after his procedure?

    1. bob42 Avatar
      bob42

      I recall one comment from Bigs following his procedure. According to my (possibly flawed) memory, I think he said he felt like he’d be kicked hard in the left shoulder, but was otherwise OK.

  17. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Democrats to stuff 20 bills into post-election lame-duck session

    Among the items:
    Extend the Bush tax cuts of 2001 & 2003 (that they blame for the current economic problems)
    Repeal DADT
    Grant “path to citizenship” for children of illegals (aren’t many of them citizens because they’re anchor babies?) (aren’t the ones who are not anchor babies actually, you know, illegals themselves?)
    Extend unemployment benefits (again)
    Freeze scheduled cuts to doctor fees for Medicare (wasn’t this one of the ways Healthulus’ cost was kept below a couple trillion dollars)
    Baucus tax cuts for families paying college tuition & other carve-outs
    Lieberman cybersecurity bill & ratification of new START treaty with the Russkies
    Jay-Jay Rockefeller mine safety overhaul
    Jay-Jay Rockefeller bill to bar EPA from reducing CO2 emissions (!!!!!!)
    Chuckie Schumer Chinese currency manipulations
    Harkin food saftey bill

    Ya know, if they had actually focused on something besides Healthulus they might have been able to deal with these things in a regular session. I hope the GOP has enough cojones to stall these until the new Congress is sworn in.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Along the same line, Obama said he intends to promote commerce and free trade with poor nations rather than just give them money.
      If it works there, maybe he will try it here.

  18. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Democrats to stuff 20 bills into post-election lame-duck session

    Among the items:
    Extend the Bush tax cuts of 2001 & 2003 (that they blame for the current economic problems)
    Repeal DADT
    Grant “path to citizenship” for children of illegals (aren’t many of them citizens because they’re anchor babies?) (aren’t the ones who are not anchor babies actually, you know, illegals themselves?)
    Extend unemployment benefits (again)
    Freeze scheduled cuts to doctor fees for Medicare (wasn’t this one of the ways Healthulus’ cost was kept below a couple trillion dollars)
    Baucus tax cuts for families paying college tuition & other carve-outs
    Lieberman cybersecurity bill & ratification of new START treaty with the Russkies
    Jay-Jay Rockefeller mine safety overhaul
    Jay-Jay Rockefeller bill to bar EPA from reducing CO2 emissions (!!!!!!)
    Chuckie Schumer Chinese currency manipulations
    Harkin food saftey bill

    Ya know, if they had actually focused on something besides Healthulus they might have been able to deal with these things in a regular session. I hope the GOP has enough cojones to stall these until the new Congress is sworn in.

    1. OletimerLin Avatar
      OletimerLin

      Along the same line, Obama said he intends to promote commerce and free trade with poor nations rather than just give them money.
      If it works there, maybe he will try it here.

  19. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    She will.

    Her stuff is pretty good, especially when she writes on biblical themes.

  20. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    This is an excellent piece by Radley Balko at Reason.com in light of the current prosecutorial misconduct at the DOJ regarding the New Black Panthers in Philly.

    And I agree with every word he writes there.

    Last week, USA Today published the results of a six-month investigation into misconduct by America’s federal prosecutors. The investigation turned up what Pace University law professor Bennett Gershman called a pattern of “serious, glaring misconduct.” Reporters Brad Heath and Kevin McCoy documented 201 cases in which federal prosecutors were chastised by federal judges for serious ethical breaches, ranging from withholding important exculpatory evidence to lying in court to making incriminating but improper remarks in front of juries.

    1. Adee Avatar
      Adee

      Ummm, does Star Chamber ring a bell?

  21. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    This is an excellent piece by Radley Balko at Reason.com in light of the current prosecutorial misconduct at the DOJ regarding the New Black Panthers in Philly.

    And I agree with every word he writes there.

    Last week, USA Today published the results of a six-month investigation into misconduct by America’s federal prosecutors. The investigation turned up what Pace University law professor Bennett Gershman called a pattern of “serious, glaring misconduct.” Reporters Brad Heath and Kevin McCoy documented 201 cases in which federal prosecutors were chastised by federal judges for serious ethical breaches, ranging from withholding important exculpatory evidence to lying in court to making incriminating but improper remarks in front of juries.

    1. bob42 Avatar
      bob42

      Balko is walking expert on prosecutorial as well as judicial misconduct. Granting absolute prosecutorial immunity hurts justice and helps government. It should be stopped.

    2. Adee Avatar
      Adee

      Ummm, does Star Chamber ring a bell?

    3. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I totally agree with the last paragraph in that article. Public prosecutors SHOULD be held to higher standards, simply because of the power they wield and the damage they can cause. Power without accountability is corruption waiting to happen.

  22. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Some lost film footage of the “moon landing”, found in an abandoned warehouse in Burbank will be screened for the first time in Sydney next week.

    1. Adee Avatar
      Adee

      What a fabulous find!

  23. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    Some lost film footage of the “moon landing”, found in an abandoned warehouse in Burbank will be screened for the first time in Sydney next week.

    1. Adee Avatar
      Adee

      What a fabulous find!

  24. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    Not too surprisingly, Mormans know their stuff pretty well.

    Researchers from the independent Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life phoned more than 3,400 Americans and asked them 32 questions about the Bible, Christianity and other world religions, famous religious figures and the constitutional principles governing religion in public life

    .
    My mom is a walking encyclopedia on religions, including the the lesser known Eastern ones such as Buddism, Hinduism, and Jainism.

    1. TexMo Avatar
      TexMo

      Bob I read the same article earlier today at Fox. It also mentioned that a good percentage of Catholics did not understand the belief in Transubstantiation. This means that Tedtam really has her work cut out for her in those classes she teaches.

      1. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        Working on it.

        /picking out fresh 2×4 for beating students

      2. bob42 Avatar
        bob42

        I think she’ll do fine. From what I’ve read here, she knows her stuff and has a “talent” for teaching it.

    2. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      15/15 Booooyah!

      1. SC Avatar
        SC

        I only got 60%. I think I hear thunder.

      2. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        SC – I’m sure I can squeeze you in on Wednesday nights!

      3. bob42 Avatar
        bob42

        Please don’t tell my mom that I missed #7 and #15. She’d be disappointed.

      4. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        13/15, not bad score considering I was raised as Southern Baptist, but have been atheist since age 12. Interesting that Jews and Atheists had highest scores in Pew’s survey.

        I missed Jewish Sabbath — sure thought that was Saturday — and Catholic bread-and-wine questions.

      5. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        mharper42
        The Jewish Sabbath was a trick question. All Jewish stuff begins at sundown. This means the Saturday Sabbath starts at sunset on Friday.

        The Blessed Eucharist is the body & blood of Christ, in the form of bread and wine.

        I got lucky on the last one.

      6. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        Yep, on the whole bread/body thing, if you start reading around John 6:48 and go on from there, he’s pretty specific. My resource book (which I don’t have on me at the moment) goes into detail on the original language used. When Jesus says “eat” the original word means “to gnaw” or “to chew”. It’s hard to confuse that with a “symbolic” meaning to the Eucharist. If it’s symbolic, you can’t be chewing, can you?

        It all ties back to the sacrificial system for the atonement of sins. Parts of the sacrificial animal was eaten. It sounds gross, but at least Jesus was kind enough to put it into a form that wouldn’t gross us out. I had a book, long lost now, that actually had a picture of a Vietnamese woman receiving the Eucharist in the street. If the camera man was fast enough, he could catch the event and get a picture of the host before she closed her mouth. She would stop walking and put out her tongue, and the host would appear on her tongue out of thin air. One time, the host was actual flesh.

        BTW – from what I’ve read so far, in cases where the host becomes flesh and blood appears, the flesh is cardiac tissue and the blood is type AB, can’t remember if it’s positive or negative. Jesus did have a rare heart indeed!

      7. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        #15.2.6 WB

        I had close friends in Austin who were Jewish but not religious, so I have had no direct exposure to Jewish customs. Here in Houston, especially at the office — large international company — there must surely be people who are Jewish but religion is generally not discussed at work.

      8. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        #15.2.7 TT

        The Baptists don’t do the cookies & wine thing. Whatever the little cookie/wafer is, they are surely chewing it. I have been to several funerals in Catholic churches so have seen that ritual. To my mind, you could be chomping on the cookie and it is symbolic of some other material such as flesh, and drinking the wine as a symbol of blood.

      9. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        mharper42
        Please don’t take what I wrote other than as an explanation. I’m pretty sure you took it the right way, but I just want to make sure you took it in the spirit intended. I only know about the whole Jewish thing because I had a boss who was Jewish and he’d explain the meaning of Yom Kippur (or whatever the upcoming holiday was) in his email auto-replies. I actually learned a lot from those emails.

        Regarding the Holy Eucharist, many Protestant denominations see communion as a symbolic act. After they bless the bread and wine (some use grape juice), they distribute it and discard the leftovers. A Catholic would never do that. Any remaining Holy Eucharist is carefully gathered up and placed in a tabernacle under lock and key, to be distributed in a subsequent Mass. Most Xatholic churches also expose the Holy Eucharist in a chapel for adoration by the faithful.

      10. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        WB — I appreciate the explanations and this is an interesting thread.

        I didn’t know the correct terminology but are you saying the leftover bread and wine are kept and served again until all is consumed?

      11. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        The Blood of Christ, or “wine” as non-Catholics would say, is totally consumed during the Mass at which it is consecrated. The Eucharistic ministers will consume anything left in their chalices. The hosts which are not distributed are locked inside the tabernacle for use at the next available Mass. Only one time a year do the priests ensure that all the consecrated hosts are consumed – on Good Friday. Since Christ was in the tomb on Holy Saturday, we celebrate nothing while we are in waiting for the Easter resurrection. On Good Friday, the priests will either hand out multiple hosts to the congregation or consume the hosts themselves.

        Point of interest: The sink in the sacristy, at which the chalices and other sacred vessels are washed, are used only for that purpose. The drain from the sink goes directly to ground, and does not connect to any sewer or drain system. In this way, Christ’s blood is not desecrated.

      12. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        Tedtam, could you explain what you mean by “host”? I have not grasped that yet.

      13. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        Re: 15.2.9 MHarper42
        John 6:

        51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” 52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” 53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
        54 Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

        After this, the followers who could not accept the whole “eat my flesh” thing turned to leave. The point has been made in the literature I’ve read that this may be the only time that Jesus did not stop and re-interpret what he said. If this had been a parable, or a learning lesson, he would have at least explained to his disciples what he really meant. I think it is significant that he acted as if the followers understood exactly what he meant.

        Yeah, you can chew something that you consider a symbolic representation of the sacrifice, but that wasn’t the point I was making. In this passage, the item for gnawing or chewing was specifically mentioned, just hard to accept. This whole “flesh and blood” thing can be difficult even for Catholics brought up to accept this teaching from the cradle. You are not alone. John 6 is always very instructive in this regard.

        I find it interesting that a lot of hard-core literal scripture interpreter types gloss over this passage.

      14. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        Define: host
        Okay, first, let’s learn what NOT to say. Catholics never refer to it as a “cookie”. That’s kind of like using the “n” word. It is a demeaning term in our faith for something that is sacred.
        The wafers are purchased for use by companies or religious orders who produce them specifically for this purpose only. There’s a church in Kerrville that has a group of women who bake the bread and cut it into very tiny pieces to be used in the Mass. I’ve actually seen a loaf torn one time. As long as it made of wheat and unleavened, the substance used can take any form, though most often it is made up of circular, very flat wafers. The unleavened wheat bread is the form we assume the Jews used when they left Egypt.

        When the wafers are present on the altar and are consecrated by a priest – and it must be priest, whose hands are blessed at his ordination – they are consecrated and made holy. It is during these prayers that the miracle of transubstantiation occurs. We believe that although the outward characteristics such as form, taste, texture, aroma, etc, do not change, the substance of the wafer changes to the flesh of Jesus. As previously mentioned, there are Eucharistic miracles involving flesh and blood that have been documented.

        After this conversion occurs, these previously-bread items are never referred to as “wafers” again. They become hosts, as they are host to our Lord. Sometimes they are referred to as hosts before the conversion process.

        I hope this ‘splains things.

      15. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        TT, I still don’t get it. Jesus’ followers did not actually eat any part of his body as far as I know, so the bread and wine still seem symbolic to me. Does the word “host” refer to the communion wafer? This doesn’t seem to fit with any of the other meanings/definitions for this word.

      16. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        Sorry, our postings crossed in time, I had not seen your definition yet. Thanks for the patience in answering these questions. Also, I did not mean any disrespect by the use of the word “cookie”.

      17. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        Through the miracle of transubstantiation, the bread and wine change from bread and wine to the body and blood of Christ while still maintaining the form of the original substances. In other words, they change from being food for our bodies to food for our souls while remaining in a form that our bodies (the repositories of our souls) can handle.

  25. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Another one bites the dust.

    I’ve been using Xmarks for some time, even back when it was Foxmarks. It’s come in handy more than once. It’s sad to see an entrepreneurial venture go down the tubes, especially something you use every day.

    I wish the founders and investors much luck in their future endeavors.

  26. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    15/15 Booooyah!

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I got 14/15. I missed the last question – I had NO clue, but it was a coin flip between two of the three options. Of course, I chose the loser option.

    2. SC Avatar
      SC

      I only got 60%. I think I hear thunder.

    3. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      13/15, not bad score considering I was raised as Southern Baptist, but have been atheist since age 12. Interesting that Jews and Atheists had highest scores in Pew’s survey.

      I missed Jewish Sabbath — sure thought that was Saturday — and Catholic bread-and-wine questions.

    4. Katfish Avatar
      Katfish

      mharper42
      The Jewish Sabbath was a trick question. All Jewish stuff begins at sundown. This means the Saturday Sabbath starts at sunset on Friday.

      The Blessed Eucharist is the body & blood of Christ, in the form of bread and wine.

      I got lucky on the last one.

    5. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      #15.2.6 WB

      I had close friends in Austin who were Jewish but not religious, so I have had no direct exposure to Jewish customs. Here in Houston, especially at the office — large international company — there must surely be people who are Jewish but religion is generally not discussed at work.

    6. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      #15.2.7 TT

      The Baptists don’t do the cookies & wine thing. Whatever the little cookie/wafer is, they are surely chewing it. I have been to several funerals in Catholic churches so have seen that ritual. To my mind, you could be chomping on the cookie and it is symbolic of some other material such as flesh, and drinking the wine as a symbol of blood.

    7. Katfish Avatar
      Katfish

      mharper42
      Please don’t take what I wrote other than as an explanation. I’m pretty sure you took it the right way, but I just want to make sure you took it in the spirit intended. I only know about the whole Jewish thing because I had a boss who was Jewish and he’d explain the meaning of Yom Kippur (or whatever the upcoming holiday was) in his email auto-replies. I actually learned a lot from those emails.

      Regarding the Holy Eucharist, many Protestant denominations see communion as a symbolic act. After they bless the bread and wine (some use grape juice), they distribute it and discard the leftovers. A Catholic would never do that. Any remaining Holy Eucharist is carefully gathered up and placed in a tabernacle under lock and key, to be distributed in a subsequent Mass. Most Xatholic churches also expose the Holy Eucharist in a chapel for adoration by the faithful.

    8. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      WB — I appreciate the explanations and this is an interesting thread.

      I didn’t know the correct terminology but are you saying the leftover bread and wine are kept and served again until all is consumed?

    9. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      Tedtam, could you explain what you mean by “host”? I have not grasped that yet.

    10. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      TT, I still don’t get it. Jesus’ followers did not actually eat any part of his body as far as I know, so the bread and wine still seem symbolic to me. Does the word “host” refer to the communion wafer? This doesn’t seem to fit with any of the other meanings/definitions for this word.

    11. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      Sorry, our postings crossed in time, I had not seen your definition yet. Thanks for the patience in answering these questions. Also, I did not mean any disrespect by the use of the word “cookie”.

    12. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      Again, this is a difficult concept to wrap your mind around.

      First, let’s look at John 6 again:

      51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” 52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” 53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
      54 Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

      Jesus is very clear here that his flesh is to be consumed, so that he can become part of us.

      Next, he needs a vessel in which to do this which will allow his followers to complete this command. He uses Passover to introduce this to his disciples at the Last Supper, using the unleavened bread and wine used to celebrate this meal to complete this task:

      Now, let’s look at Luke 22:

      19 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.” 20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

      Here, at the Last Supper, Jesus gives us the sacrament of the Eucharist, saying specifically that the bread will become his body and the wine will become his blood. They “play host” (a simplistic way of saying it) to the substance that is Jesus Christ.

      Transubstantiation is the term that describes this basic transformation. The outward signs of the elements used – bread and wine – remain the same for our comfort. The basic substance becomes the flesh of Jesus. Simplistically speaking, you can change clothes and wear a mask. Cover every inch of skin. You are still you. Your basic substance has not changed. Give me your costume, and I may appear to be the same being, but the “substance,” what makes you “you,” has been changed inside the costume. Your costume has played “host” to my substance, my being.

      I hope this helps.

      UPDATE: IT APPEARS WE CROSSED AGAIN! 😀

    13. Katfish Avatar
      Katfish

      Through the miracle of transubstantiation, the bread and wine change from bread and wine to the body and blood of Christ while still maintaining the form of the original substances. In other words, they change from being food for our bodies to food for our souls while remaining in a form that our bodies (the repositories of our souls) can handle.

  27. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    What is it with UT and guns?

    /previous tongue in cheek comment deleted

    My condolences to the families.

    1. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      At least he appeared to be a bad shot, except where he managed to shoot himself.

  28. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    At least he appeared to be a bad shot, except where he managed to shoot himself.

  29. TexMo Avatar
    TexMo

    Hamous,

    Thanks for stopping our Kubler-Ross fives stages of grief in its tracks over the passing of LST. I know I went through
    1. Denial and then
    2. Anger. See my comment over at Squawk’s page.

    THIS SUCKS!!!

    3. Bargaining (I did not, however, actually offer Benzene a dollar amount for the rights to LST).

    You saved us all from
    4. Depression and
    5. Acceptance.

    Of course some of the doctors in the house will say I am still at numero uno: Denial

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I think I went straight from denial to Depression and got stuck there. I have finally reached Acceptance, but only because of Hamous letting us move here.

    2. Hamous Avatar
      Hamous

      It’s my pleasure, TexMo. At some point I’d like to provide more “meat”, but I think the OC forum does serve its purpose. Clearly there are many folks that enjoy it. As to the “meat”, as Benzion said in his farewell, real life issues have forced many of us to post less frequently. I have several things over the next month that will severely restrict my time but I hope to post a little more frequently after that. Of course its impossible to keep up with that Big Jolly fellow. That dude is a machine!

      1. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        I was already on life support & fading fast when I saw the Monday farewells and then found hamous.org. It was an adrenalin shot straight into the heart to discover all of the familiar names still writing here. I hope more will turn up over time. I may be the only one to miss AsianGuy’s 10 lists…

  30. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    From a story linked through Drudge: a group is trying to encourage voting by encouraging people to vote naked!

    Don’t get excited – it’s only for absentee voting at home.

    Only libs would equate nudity with political activism.

  31. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    To be filed in the FWIW drawer, some unfinished bidness from LST:

    I’ve been following the Erik Scott inquest and now that I am in possession of certain facts, can formulate an in formed opinion. I can give linkage if required, but as the testimony spanned over several days, there’s a lot of them. Allow me to condense and summarize.

    The toxicology report revealed that at the time of his death, Erik Scott had levels of morphine and Xanax in his system that would have been fatal to an individual who had not built up a resistance from long time use. Three doctors terstified that they prescribed him drugs for pain and that he requested even stronger ones.

    Several customers and employees of Costco testified that he was walking erratically, bumping into things, and requiring his girlfreind’s help to walk. They also testified that he was loud and abusive.

    He had two pistols on his person at the time of his death.

    Although his girlfiend has been outspoken on the internet and in the press prior to the inquest the person closest to him, both emotionally and physically at the time of the shooting, avoided service of a supeona to testify at the Inquest. The family lawyer did not make her available for testimony, and she did not appear. This is unusual for someone who says that they want “the truth” to come out about the shooting.

    Her statement to police in the immediate aftermath of the shooting indicated that she had shouted to the police officers that Scott was a Green Beret and recently returned from Iraq. Store employees and customers tesitified that in his dealings with store personnel, Scott claimed that he was a Green Beret and a combat veteran. Military records show that Scott was never in Special Forces and was never sent overseas.

    Parking lot video was not available. Testimony from the Los Angeles Forensics lab indicated that the hard drive had become inoperable two days before the event and did not become operational until they rebooted it.

    Customers and store employees testified that Scott not only moved his arms towards his weapon after telling the police that he was armed, but that he made contact with it and had withdrawn it and pointed it at police. His holstered weapon was found on the ground in front of him after the shooting, indicating that he probably did make an ill advised attempt to disarm, but that this attempt looked nearly exactly the same as withdrawing his weapon tlo fire would look.

    Additional testimony was offered from a neighbor of Scott’s who reported that Scott had pointed a pistol at him during a dispute over his dog.

    Initially I had thought that a corporate culture within Costco had caused them to make a spurious, or at least inaccurate, report of a man on drugs with a weapon causing trouble in the store and this led the police to misread the situation.

    I am now of the opinion that Erik Scott was severely impaired due to drug use, that he was indeed acting erratically, and that this was indeed as a result of heavy drug use. The drug use affected both his behavior and judgement, and this is what led to his death.

    The fact that he seems to be the kind of guy who claims to be a Green Beret Combat Veteran when he was not, and that he carried two pistols with him also contributes to my estimation that he not only had bad judgement, but that he was also capable of the kind of macho posturing described by the customers and employees of costco.

    I find the most troubling aspect of this case is the refusal of the girlfreind to offer testimony, especially since she has not been averse to doing so in the media.

    Since Ramos and Compeon, I have become very skeptical of lawyers who attempt to try thier cases in the court of public opinion by using the politically oriented blogosphere and media before facts are offered.

    This incident does nothing to change that skepticism.

    1. Sarge Avatar
      Sarge

      The family has made a number of statements of criticism of the Inquest, the facts offered, and the process in general. However, they only change the degree of the facts offered, not the facts themselves. It was the family who stated that he “moved his arms slowly down” towards his weapon where other witnesses testified that he made contact with it. His father has made comments on his son’s drug use that do not dispute the facts, but only offers to mitigate them.

      This was a justified shooting, brought on by the actions of a man with incredibly faulty judgement and not a few personality flaws. That he was a jerk and a butthole is not what justifies his shooting, but his movement towards and contact with, the weapon the men holding guns on him knew was there does.

      If you have three men pointing guns at you, whether you are a customer in a bank when robbers burst in, a soldier on patrol who turns a corner and is confronted by the enemy to his immediate front, a burgular inside someone’s home, or a customer confronted by policemen outside a store, the last thing you should to is make any movement towards a visible weapon on your person.

      I can pretty much guarantee what the outcome will be.

    2. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      Sarge, thanks for posting these illuminating details. This seems to absolve the police and the store employees of misconduct. While still unfortunate that the man was killed, it seems he brought it on himself.

  32. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    To be filed in the FWIW drawer, some unfinished bidness from LST:

    I’ve been following the Erik Scott inquest and now that I am in possession of certain facts, can formulate an in formed opinion. I can give linkage if required, but as the testimony spanned over several days, there’s a lot of them. Allow me to condense and summarize.

    The toxicology report revealed that at the time of his death, Erik Scott had levels of morphine and Xanax in his system that would have been fatal to an individual who had not built up a resistance from long time use. Three doctors terstified that they prescribed him drugs for pain and that he requested even stronger ones.

    Several customers and employees of Costco testified that he was walking erratically, bumping into things, and requiring his girlfreind’s help to walk. They also testified that he was loud and abusive.

    He had two pistols on his person at the time of his death.

    Although his girlfiend has been outspoken on the internet and in the press prior to the inquest the person closest to him, both emotionally and physically at the time of the shooting, avoided service of a supeona to testify at the Inquest. The family lawyer did not make her available for testimony, and she did not appear. This is unusual for someone who says that they want “the truth” to come out about the shooting.

    Her statement to police in the immediate aftermath of the shooting indicated that she had shouted to the police officers that Scott was a Green Beret and recently returned from Iraq. Store employees and customers tesitified that in his dealings with store personnel, Scott claimed that he was a Green Beret and a combat veteran. Military records show that Scott was never in Special Forces and was never sent overseas.

    Parking lot video was not available. Testimony from the Los Angeles Forensics lab indicated that the hard drive had become inoperable two days before the event and did not become operational until they rebooted it.

    Customers and store employees testified that Scott not only moved his arms towards his weapon after telling the police that he was armed, but that he made contact with it and had withdrawn it and pointed it at police. His holstered weapon was found on the ground in front of him after the shooting, indicating that he probably did make an ill advised attempt to disarm, but that this attempt looked nearly exactly the same as withdrawing his weapon tlo fire would look.

    Additional testimony was offered from a neighbor of Scott’s who reported that Scott had pointed a pistol at him during a dispute over his dog.

    Initially I had thought that a corporate culture within Costco had caused them to make a spurious, or at least inaccurate, report of a man on drugs with a weapon causing trouble in the store and this led the police to misread the situation.

    I am now of the opinion that Erik Scott was severely impaired due to drug use, that he was indeed acting erratically, and that this was indeed as a result of heavy drug use. The drug use affected both his behavior and judgement, and this is what led to his death.

    The fact that he seems to be the kind of guy who claims to be a Green Beret Combat Veteran when he was not, and that he carried two pistols with him also contributes to my estimation that he not only had bad judgement, but that he was also capable of the kind of macho posturing described by the customers and employees of costco.

    I find the most troubling aspect of this case is the refusal of the girlfreind to offer testimony, especially since she has not been averse to doing so in the media.

    Since Ramos and Compeon, I have become very skeptical of lawyers who attempt to try thier cases in the court of public opinion by using the politically oriented blogosphere and media before facts are offered.

    This incident does nothing to change that skepticism.

    1. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      I sat in on a jury for a (very) aggravated burglary and assault case. It came thiiiiiiis close to being a murder charge. The father of the man accused got “lost” and could not be subpoenaed for trial. After we convicted and assigned punishment to the scumsucker, the DA met with us in the jury room where we were able to ask questions. It turns out the guy had been stopped before with a ski mask and sawed-off shotgun in the trunk of the car he was riding in with his friend, but they had not been able to make any charges stick. It was also at that time that we found out that the dad had not been able to be brought in to testify. According to the DA, he was the most decent one of the whole family, and probably wouldn’t be able to lie in court to help his son.

      Man, I feel for that father.

      1. Sarge Avatar
        Sarge

        The family has made a number of statements of criticism of the Inquest, the facts offered, and the process in general. However, they only change the degree of the facts offered, not the facts themselves. It was the family who stated that he “moved his arms slowly down” towards his weapon where other witnesses testified that he made contact with it. His father has made comments on his son’s drug use that do not dispute the facts, but only offers to mitigate them.

        This was a justified shooting, brought on by the actions of a man with incredibly faulty judgement and not a few personality flaws. That he was a jerk and a butthole is not what justifies his shooting, but his movement towards and contact with, the weapon the men holding guns on him knew was there does.

        If you have three men pointing guns at you, whether you are a customer in a bank when robbers burst in, a soldier on patrol who turns a corner and is confronted by the enemy to his immediate front, a burgular inside someone’s home, or a customer confronted by policemen outside a store, the last thing you should to is make any movement towards a visible weapon on your person.

        I can pretty much guarantee what the outcome will be.

    2. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      Sarge, thanks for posting these illuminating details. This seems to absolve the police and the store employees of misconduct. While still unfortunate that the man was killed, it seems he brought it on himself.

  33. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    RE: Erik Scott Shooting

    The Las Vegas Sun (not the Las Vegas daily involved in copyright scamming) liveblogged the Coroners’ Inquest. Google it up. There are 4 days of testimony there. Nobody has presented evidence of a second gun. There are plenty of remarkably contradictory eyewitness accounts which proves the inherent unreliability of many people to observe accurately events around themselves.

    It is much harder than it seems.

    Lots of questions about this case yet. The procedures used in Nevada Coroner’s Inquests are the subject of controversy themselves. Many people have been criticizing them for years. The whole political dynamic of the Sheriff and his election, his corruption and coverup of personal scandals adds another dimension to this thing.

    1. Sarge Avatar
      Sarge

      Had the Vegas lab done the forensics, I’d be more skeptical than I am. The fact they they sent the hard drive out of state shows that they foresaw such skepticism and took steps to cover their butt from the accusation of tampering.

  34. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    RE: Erik Scott Shooting

    The Las Vegas Sun (not the Las Vegas daily involved in copyright scamming) liveblogged the Coroners’ Inquest. Google it up. There are 4 days of testimony there. Nobody has presented evidence of a second gun. There are plenty of remarkably contradictory eyewitness accounts which proves the inherent unreliability of many people to observe accurately events around themselves.

    It is much harder than it seems.

    Lots of questions about this case yet. The procedures used in Nevada Coroner’s Inquests are the subject of controversy themselves. Many people have been criticizing them for years. The whole political dynamic of the Sheriff and his election, his corruption and coverup of personal scandals adds another dimension to this thing.

    1. bob42 Avatar
      bob42

      This bumps my skepticism meter.

      Parking lot video was not available. Testimony from the Los Angeles Forensics lab indicated that the hard drive had become inoperable two days before the event and did not become operational until they rebooted it.

      That sounds plausible for low end (just a few cameras) Digital Video Surveillance systems. What doesn’t make sense is that a store as large as the average Costco uses anywhere from 150 to 200+ cameras. It takes a commercial quality RAID storage device with dozens of drives to handle the streams of input data. Additionally, the software used with such systems would scream bloody murder if the storage device was unavailable, and any decent implementation would alert operations if it was non-functional for any reason.

      But I could be wrong. I don’t know exactly what systems this retailer uses.

      1. Sarge Avatar
        Sarge

        Had the Vegas lab done the forensics, I’d be more skeptical than I am. The fact they they sent the hard drive out of state shows that they foresaw such skepticism and took steps to cover their butt from the accusation of tampering.

  35. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Hamous has posted my latest offering for your perusal.

  36. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    my #21 cont’d.

    There is supposedly an ambulance EMT report out there that states they removed the concealed pistol in its holster from the body of Erik Scott and laid it on the ground beside the body. That would be another contradiction to the already confused and widely varying eyewitness testimonies.

    1. Sarge Avatar
      Sarge

      Read the report of testimony below.

      The holstered pistol was the Kimber .45 found in front of him.

      The Ruger .380 was in his pants pocket and removed by EMTs in the ambulance.

      A CHL only allows individuals to carry one pistol.

      There is no really rational reason why a reasonable individual would carry more than one pistol.

  37. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    my #21 cont’d.

    There is supposedly an ambulance EMT report out there that states they removed the concealed pistol in its holster from the body of Erik Scott and laid it on the ground beside the body. That would be another contradiction to the already confused and widely varying eyewitness testimonies.

    1. Sarge Avatar
      Sarge

      Read the report of testimony below.

      The holstered pistol was the Kimber .45 found in front of him.

      The Ruger .380 was in his pants pocket and removed by EMTs in the ambulance.

      A CHL only allows individuals to carry one pistol.

      There is no really rational reason why a reasonable individual would carry more than one pistol.

  38. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    One for the good guys!

  39. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I will agree, Texpat, that it does appear that politics is having an effect on this incident, and that some individuals are taking advantage of that atmosphere.

  40. Sarge Avatar
    Sarge

    I will agree, Texpat, that it does appear that politics is having an effect on this incident, and that some individuals are taking advantage of that atmosphere.

  41. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Sarge

    #25

    Delete your comment immediately !

    Did you not read the links provided by David Benzion in his farewell statement about copyright lawsuits being filed by Righthaven LLC in Las Vegas ?

    Do you realize what you have just done by linking to that newspaper article ?

    They also sue commenters by the way !

  42. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Sarge

    #25

    Delete your comment immediately !

    Did you not read the links provided by David Benzion in his farewell statement about copyright lawsuits being filed by Righthaven LLC in Las Vegas ?

    Do you realize what you have just done by linking to that newspaper article ?

    They also sue commenters by the way !

  43. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Never mind. I did it.

    1. Sarge Avatar
      Sarge

      Will you stipulate that the link and quotes I previously provided showed that the holstered weapon was the Kimber .45 Scott pulled from his waistband and that there was a Ruger .380 with two magazines in his pants pocket found by EMTs in the ambulance on the way to the hospital?

      That, at least, ought to both satisfy the requirements of providing information for informed debate, and provide you with the opportunity to explain why such a reasonable and clear thinking young man is carrying two pistols with extra magazines around.

      That’s a tough one to explain for somebody who doesn’t have any morphine and Xanax in his body, let alone the amounts Scott had.

  44. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Never mind. I did it.

    1. Sarge Avatar
      Sarge

      Will you stipulate that the link and quotes I previously provided showed that the holstered weapon was the Kimber .45 Scott pulled from his waistband and that there was a Ruger .380 with two magazines in his pants pocket found by EMTs in the ambulance on the way to the hospital?

      That, at least, ought to both satisfy the requirements of providing information for informed debate, and provide you with the opportunity to explain why such a reasonable and clear thinking young man is carrying two pistols with extra magazines around.

      That’s a tough one to explain for somebody who doesn’t have any morphine and Xanax in his body, let alone the amounts Scott had.

  45. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oh, great – barf cat just caught a lizard. I made her drop it, but I’ll probably find its little carcass in here later. At least she won’t be throwing up little lizard body parts later.

    My apologies to anyone who might be eating lunch.

    1. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      At least she won’t be throwing up little lizard body parts later.

      At least parts of that particular lizard.

      What if it had family?

      1. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        TT, my current batch of cats are strictly indoors so there’s no lizard on their menu. But your post took me back to another time and place, living in Austin, cats allowed out, and finding little lizard organs and feet in the house. The kidneys seemed to be unpalatable and may have even been spit out, not thrown up They looked like tiny kidney beans (duh).

    2. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      She is an indoor cat. I have indoor lizards, too, whether I like it or not. They sneak in.

  46. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    This whole lawsuit thing – do ya’ll think it’ll bite them in the behind? I mean, without people linking to their newspapers to refer to stories they carry, won’t that hurt their traffic.

    /not feeling sorry at all.

  47. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    At least she won’t be throwing up little lizard body parts later.

    At least parts of that particular lizard.

    What if it had family?

    1. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      TT, my current batch of cats are strictly indoors so there’s no lizard on their menu. But your post took me back to another time and place, living in Austin, cats allowed out, and finding little lizard organs and feet in the house. The kidneys seemed to be unpalatable and may have even been spit out, not thrown up They looked like tiny kidney beans (duh).

  48. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Do Not Link or Quote From Any Publication on This List at This or Any Other Website:

    WECHO Media
    Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
    Banner News
    Benton County Daily Record
    California Democrat
    Camden News
    Chattanooga Times Free Press
    El Dorado News-Times
    Fulton Sun
    News Tribune
    NW Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
    NW Arkansas Times
    Rogers Morning News
    Springdale Morning News
    Texarkana Gazette
    The Sentinel-Record

    Stephens Media
    Southwest Times Record, Fort Smith, Ark. (DAILY)
    Pine Bluff Commercial, Pine Bluff, Ark. (DAILY)
    North Little Rock Times, North Little Rock, Ark. (Weekly, Thur.)
    Press Argus Courier, Van Buren, Ark. (twice Weekly, Wed. & Sat.)
    Jacksonville Patriot, Jacksonville, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Sherwood Voice, Sherwood, Ark. (Weekly, Thur.)
    Maumelle Monitor, Maumelle, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Cabot Star-Herald, Cabot, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Lonoke Democrat, Lonoke, Ark. (Weekly, Thur.)
    Carlisle Independent, Carlisle, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Hot Springs Village Voice, Hot Springs Village, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Van Buren County Democrat, Clinton, Ark. (Weekly, Thur.)
    Booneville Democrat, Booneville, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Charleston Express, Charleston, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Greenwood Democrat, Greenwood, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Paris Express, Paris, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    White Hall Progress, White Hall, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Lincoln Leader, Lincoln, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Farmington Post, Farmington, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Prairie Grove Enterprise, Prairie Grove, Ark. (Weekly, Wed.)
    Hawaii Tribune-Herald, Hilo, HI (DAILY)
    West Hawaii Today, Kailua-Kona, HI (DAILY)
    Big Island Weekly, Hilo, HI (Weekly, Wed.)
    North Hawaii News, Waimea, HI (Weekly, Thur.)
    Las Vegas Review-Journal, Las Vegas, NV (DAILY)
    Las Vegas CityLife, Las Vegas, NV (Weekly, Thur.)
    El Tiempo, Las Vegas, NV (Weekly, Fri.)
    Las Vegas Business Press, Las Vegas, NV (Weekly, Mon.)
    Boulder City Review. Boulder City, NV (Weekly, Thur.)
    Ely Times, Ely, NV (Weekly, Fri.)
    Rebel Nation], Las Vegas, NV (Monthly, 1st of month)
    Pahrump Valley Times, Pahrump, NV (twice Weekly, Wed. & Fri.)
    Eureka Sentinal, Eureka, NV (twice Weekly, Wed. & Fri.)
    Tonopah Times-Bonanza, Tonopah, NV (twice Weekly, Wed. & Fri.)
    Courier-Tribune, Asheboro, NC (DAILY)
    The Herald Democrat, Sherman, TX/Denison, OK (DAILY)
    Bartlesville Examiner-Enterprise, Bartlesville, OK (DAILY)
    Pawhuska Journal-Capital, Pawhuska, OK (twice Weekly, Wed. & Sat.)
    Anna-Melissa Tribune, Anna, TX (Weekly)
    Grayson County Shopper, Sherman, TX (Weekly)
    Prosper Press, Prosper, TX (Weekly)
    Van Alstyne Leader, Van Alstyne, TX (Weekly)
    Lake Texoma Life, Kingston, TX (Monthly, 1st of month)
    The Daily Herald, Columbia, TN (DAILY)
    The Advertiser News, Spring Hill, TN (Weekly, Wed.)
    The Value Guide, Columbia, TN (Weekly, Tues.)
    Franklin Life, Franklin, TN (Monthly, 15th of month)
    Brentwood Life, Brentwood, TN (Monthly, 1st of month)
    Healthy Living, Columbia, TN (Monthly, 3rd Wed. each month)
    The Daily World, Aberdeen, WA (DAILY)
    The Vidette, Montesano, WA (Weekly, Thur.)
    The North Coast News, Ocean Shores, WA (Weekly, Wed.)
    The South Beach Bulletin, Westport, WA (Weekly, Wed.)
    East County News, Elma, WA (Weekly, Wed.)

    Everyone should go to this site and read what is happening.

    1. The Dude Avatar
      The Dude

      Are all of those sites included in the blocked list for the BlockSite Firefox add-on Hamous lists?

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        Dude

        I can’t confirm that. I know the Stephens papers are, but I don’t know about WEHCO.

      2. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        I can’t get the blocksite plugin to work on FireFox 3.6.10.

        I may just go nukuler and edit my hosts file.

    2. bob42 Avatar
      bob42

      I can see how the copyright laws are loosely written to the degree that even quoting single paragraph from a 2 page article would put one at some risk. But I totally don’t get why any legitimate news outfit would have an issue with someone posting a linkie to their site, along with a brief and original teaser. Their sites make money per click, so I just don’t see the harm.

      Whether it’s tyrannical governments that block access to the internet because they would be threatened by the free exchange of ideas, authoritarian politicians who want to tax, monitor, or control the internet in other ways, or greedy, unscrupulous lawyers abusing copyright law through frivolous suits, like these jerks are, this is a completely unacceptable situation.

      It must be stopped.

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        bob42

        It must be stopped.

        You are damned right about that.

      2. bob42 Avatar
        bob42

        I”m on it. 😉

    3. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      So far, I am assuming the only “safe” links are to Breitbart, Foxnews, or other big sites that are more independent and not in such dire financial need as to sink to this type of bottom feeding. Otherwise, I’m trying to say “linked at Drudge” or some such.

      From the Righthaven Victim’s website, it seems that they are even searching text. Is this true? Then even quoting anything from their sites could be problematic …possibly even if it was pulled from AP or Reuters.

      Please correct me if I’m wrong. Else, we’ll have to paraphrase every story and digitally point in their vague direction when we want to reference stories.

      /digging grave for free speech funeral

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        Tedtam

        The Stephens private banking group out of Little Rock are billionaires, second only to Sam Walton’s heirs in wealth in Arkansas.

        I no longer quote or link to AP stories since they have tried several different dirty tactics in the past like billing people for Fair Use referencing of their content.

        Be very careful.

  49. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    #22 Tedtam, that was nicely done.

    I’m guessing that your muse and my muse wouldn’t get along too well together, so I won’t even think of posting the linkie. I wrote my latest political satire piece this morning. It’s about Christine O’Donnell being pregnant, and her claims of how it happened.

  50. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Dude

    I can’t confirm that. I know the Stephens papers are, but I don’t know about WEHCO.

  51. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Tedtam

    The Stephens private banking group out of Little Rock are billionaires, second only to Sam Walton’s heirs in wealth in Arkansas.

    I no longer quote or link to AP stories since they have tried several different dirty tactics in the past like billing people for Fair Use referencing of their content.

    Be very careful.

  52. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    Tedtam

    From the Righthaven Victim’s website, it seems that they are even searching text. Is this true? Then even quoting anything from their sites could be problematic …possibly even if it was pulled from AP or Reuters.

    People have been sued by Righthaven for quoting their papers even when they found the content on another news organization’s site. For example, Bloomberg or CNN might post an article from the Houston Chronicle on their website. People will grab it and link to it saying it is CNN content when it is legally not. It was reprinted there with the Chron’s permission.

    Everybody has to pay far more attention to detail now.

  53. Texpat Avatar
    Texpat

    Tedtam

    From the Righthaven Victim’s website, it seems that they are even searching text. Is this true? Then even quoting anything from their sites could be problematic …possibly even if it was pulled from AP or Reuters.

    People have been sued by Righthaven for quoting their papers even when they found the content on another news organization’s site. For example, Bloomberg or CNN might post an article from the Houston Chronicle on their website. People will grab it and link to it saying it is CNN content when it is legally not. It was reprinted there with the Chron’s permission.

    Everybody has to pay far more attention to detail now.

  54. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I have not had time to add the WEHCO sites to the list here. Please make sure you stay away from the sites in Texpat’s #31. Hopefully this weekend I will have filters in place to automatically remove any comment with an offending site linkage. In the meantime, I have only approved those of you I know and trust. Please pay attention to your links!

    1. SC Avatar
      SC

      Is it also a No No to just post a link without any comment?

      And from previous posts the filters only work on Firefox, not IE?

      1. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        I can’t get the blocksite plugin to work on FireFox 3.6.10.

        I may just go nukuler and edit my hosts file. This should work with any browser & any OS, although Chrome & Safari (I think) have similar add-ons/plugins.

        Nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

    2. Hamous Avatar
      Hamous

      I think a link would be ok from a legal standpoint. From a personal standpoint I would like to avoid sending traffic to any of those news organs who choose to participate in such a shakedown.

      1. Texpat Avatar
        Texpat

        I would not even link to any of these publications. They are data-mining the internet around the clock for links and content quotes and you don’t want to appear any lists they build. A single link will flag a site.

        Besides, on principle, why would anyone want to send traffic their way ?

        Boycott them.

        And as far as I know the plugin is for FireFox only.

      2. SC Avatar
        SC

        I agree, I wouldn’t want to send traffic to slime. Let’s hope for their swift demise.

      3. Tedtam Avatar
        Tedtam

        I am planning on composing a letter, informing them of my and my friends’ intent to avoid their sites, either by linking or even driving by. I will point out that this will hurt their bottom line.

        I plan on mailing this letter without a name or return address, since I don’t want to be on any mailing list or watch list. Maybe I’ll put a fake name on it. Nah, ‘cuz then I’d have to put an address on it to see what will happen. I’ll stick with whole anonymous scenario.

        Or maybe I’ll sign it “Jacque Mioff”. 😉

  55. SC Avatar
    SC

    Is it also a No No to just post a link without any comment?

    And from previous posts the filters only work on Firefox, not IE?

    1. Katfish Avatar
      Katfish

      I can’t get the blocksite plugin to work on FireFox 3.6.10.

      I may just go nukuler and edit my hosts file. This should work with any browser & any OS, although Chrome & Safari (I think) have similar add-ons/plugins.

      Nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

  56. Dooood Avatar
    Dooood

    I would not even link to any of these publications. They are data-mining the internet around the clock for links and content quotes and you don’t want to appear any lists they build. A single link will flag a site.

    Besides, on principle, why would anyone want to send traffic their way ?

    Boycott them.

    And as far as I know the plugin is for FireFox only.

  57. SC Avatar
    SC

    I agree, I wouldn’t want to send traffic to slime. Let’s hope for their swift demise.

  58. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    I can’t get the blocksite plugin to work on FireFox 3.6.10.

    I may just go nukuler and edit my hosts file.

  59. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    I’m curious about the lawsuit slugs’ MO. I understand that they are buying the copyrights to certain articles, and webcrawling for words from them with code that did not honor the “nofollow” type of tags, in order to ID their victims.

    This strategy would require no interaction with the news site’s web infrastructure (cheapest.) A system that was able to intercept the web requests and grab the URL that referred it would be very costly.

    If I’m right, other than for boycott reasons, blocking access or referral to their “clients” here or from your own computer is useless, because even if a site like this one blocks the linkie, the content is still here and can be found.

    I’ll look into this more later tonight. Meanwhile, the bottom line is don’t directly quote any copyrighted text from any site. Someone could do so today, and the slugs buy the copyright on it months later.

    1. The Dude Avatar
      The Dude

      Someone could do so today, and the slugs buy the copyright on it months later.

      That raises a good question: How far retroactively are they going to be willing to go in pursuit of these frivolous lawsuits?

    2. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      bob42

      The lawyer Steven Gibson created, with Stephens Media, the Righthaven LLC in order for Stephens Media to assign all coryrights to it. Righthaven is in fact a joint legal venture of Stephens Media and the lawyer, Steven Gibson. I am sure Stephens Media properties are all cooperating fully from a technological standpoint in gathering whatever cyber documentation they need.

      This whole thing works because so far, larger targets have treated it as a nuisance and just written a check (which I deem negligent) and the smaller targets cannot afford to hire counsel so they try to negotiate a settlement or just shut down as Clayton Cramer at Arms and the Law blog did.

      If a defendant with resources or a group of them were to really start fighting back and bury Gibson in real legal work, his whole business model falls apart. Presently, Righthaven just has a paralegal cut and paste names and pertinent data into a template, files the suit and moves on to the next one. If Gibson is forced to actually respond to legal challenges in court, write briefs, do the research and begin racking up hours in the courtroom, it no longer remains a profitable deal. Once precedents are established for defensive moves, he will have to genuinely work for his money.

      [Edited for clarification at 5:51 EDT]

      1. bob42 Avatar
        bob42

        Thanks, I think I understand better now. The slugs are working on a larger scale, and after re-reading the Wired article, see that they are extending their “services” to outfits they are not otherwise affiliated with (I suspect they get a cut.)

        At any rate, that makes things easier. I suspect that eventually we’ll see some group of targets stand up to this BPH and establish the precedents you mention. That works strategically.

        There are also tactical operations that I’ve found are already being investigated, and while completely legal, may be somewhat effective in the nearer term.

        Geeks don’t like folks messin with the internet. Call it a “Geek Roots Movement.”

  60. El Gordo Avatar
    El Gordo

    Someone could do so today, and the slugs buy the copyright on it months later.

    That raises a good question: How far retroactively are they going to be willing to go in pursuit of these frivolous lawsuits?

  61. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    40 states appear not to have learned anything the past couple of years. They are planning on rising tax revenues. Seems to me the safe thing to do would be to use current or current -1 revenue as the forecast.

  62. wagonburner Avatar
    wagonburner

    40 states appear not to have learned anything the past couple of years. They are planning on rising tax revenues. Seems to me the safe thing to do would be to use current or current -1 revenue as the forecast.

  63. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    DaNg, iT WORked, the password thing, I mean.
    Hello to the LST folks, and a sad fare the well to all who made LST one of my first stops each day when possible. I have lurked here at the Hambone a number of times, but can see to stay informed of events I will frequent regularly.
    In other news.
    Good afternoon all from sunny and hot Reno were the secret bunker has been for a few days. Heading for Utah and Bryce Canyon down the lonliest road in America. Any trip ideas would be appreciated.
    In a week the bunker slowly begins it’s southward journey back to the Great State of Texas… at least for a while.

  64. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    DaNg, iT WORked, the password thing, I mean.
    Hello to the LST folks, and a sad fare the well to all who made LST one of my first stops each day when possible. I have lurked here at the Hambone a number of times, but can see to stay informed of events I will frequent regularly.
    In other news.
    Good afternoon all from sunny and hot Reno were the secret bunker has been for a few days. Heading for Utah and Bryce Canyon down the lonliest road in America. Any trip ideas would be appreciated.
    In a week the bunker slowly begins it’s southward journey back to the Great State of Texas… at least for a while.

  65. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Oletimer – in case you missed my earlier announcement – you asked

    BTW, when ya gonna post some of the stuff you been writing?

    It’s up. I notice that you haven’t commented, so I didn’t know if you had seen it yet or not. If you’ve visited Abraham already, please disregard.

  66. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Speaking of Reno, have been chatting with many locals around here. The concensus, Harry Reid must go. I have been unable to find anyone, from dealers (cards) to restaurant owners, welders, security people, no one that wants him back.

    I report you decide.
    I have been doing this informal polling through Texas, New Mex, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon and California. I do stay out of the cities for the most part but everywhere Obama and the dems are 90% hated. Just FYI.

    1. Dooood Avatar
      Dooood

      I would say if you were going east on I-80, stop off in Elko, Nevada, the Cowboy Poets Capital of the World. You might run into Baxter Black.

      But it looks like you are going down 50 to 6 to get into southern Utah.

      Be careful.

      1. texanadian Avatar
        texanadian

        Going to take 50 East, just because then 21 south east towards Bryce Canyon and southern Utah, then west to Grand Canyon area.

        No agenda, just hang’n out.

    2. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      Tex……………….from SE UT (4 corners – check and see if they’ve decided where to put it?) yall may enjoy going north from Bluff to Monticello – the Monti LaSalle park is gorgeous! We had 9 doe feeding close enough to us we could have hit them with spit wads – wild turkey hen and her chicks casually walking across the road like ducks the day we left

      further north UT128 that leaves Moab and follows the Colorado River northeast (right down on the deck next to the kayakers) – is simply unbelievable where it tops out among ‘Monument Valley’-type terrain before re-joining I-70 just west of the CO – UT state line

      1. Darren Avatar
        Darren

        A very scenic and gorgeous ride.

  67. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Speaking of Reno, have been chatting with many locals around here. The concensus, Harry Reid must go. I have been unable to find anyone, from dealers (cards) to restaurant owners, welders, security people, no one that wants him back.

    I report you decide.
    I have been doing this informal polling through Texas, New Mex, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon and California. I do stay out of the cities for the most part but everywhere Obama and the dems are 90% hated. Just FYI.

    1. Texpat Avatar
      Texpat

      I would say if you were going east on I-80, stop off in Elko, Nevada, the Cowboy Poets Capital of the World. You might run into Baxter Black.

      But it looks like you are going down 50 to 6 to get into southern Utah.

      Be careful.

      1. texanadian Avatar
        texanadian

        Going to take 50 East, just because then 21 south east towards Bryce Canyon and southern Utah, then west to Grand Canyon area.

        No agenda, just hang’n out.

    2. Katfish Avatar
      Katfish

      Tex……………….from SE UT (4 corners – check and see if they’ve decided where to put it?) yall may enjoy going north from Bluff to Monticello – the Monti LaSalle park is gorgeous! We had 9 doe feeding close enough to us we could have hit them with spit wads – wild turkey hen and her chicks casually walking across the road like ducks the day we left

      further north UT128 that leaves Moab and follows the Colorado River northeast (right down on the deck next to the kayakers) – is simply unbelievable where it tops out among ‘Monument Valley’-type terrain before re-joining I-70 just west of the CO – UT state line

      1. Darren Avatar
        Darren

        A very scenic and gorgeous ride.

  68. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Tex-nad

    Glad to hear from you! Be careful out there. Take those “I (heart) Obama” bumper stickers off of your vehicle, just to be safe. 😉

  69. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Tedtam: the only sticker I have on my unit is “I read the Constitution for the Articles”

    That pretty much says it all. Although I did see one in Califorinia I liked
    “If you lived in your car you’d be home by now.”

    When hiking in the woods you see some Obamanation stickers on the yuppie mobiles, but not many.

    1. Southern Tragedy Avatar
      Southern Tragedy

      Saw one I liked the other day.

      I was anti-Obama before being anti-Obama was Cool.

  70. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Tedtam: the only sticker I have on my unit is “I read the Constitution for the Articles”

    That pretty much says it all. Although I did see one in Califorinia I liked
    “If you lived in your car you’d be home by now.”

    When hiking in the woods you see some Obamanation stickers on the yuppie mobiles, but not many.

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Saw one I liked the other day.

      I was anti-Obama before being anti-Obama was Cool.

  71. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    Attention Bob42
    This up on Drudge

    A Toronto judge has struck down Canada’s prostitution laws, effectively decriminalizing activities associated with the world’s oldest trade.

    “These laws, individually and together, force prostitutes to choose between their liberty interest and their right to security of the person as protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms,” Justice Susan Himel of Ontario’s Superior Court of Justice said in Tuesday’s landmark decision.

    The long-awaited judgment had been on reserve for nearly a year.

    1. bob42 Avatar
      bob42

      We’re doomed!

      Doomed, I tell you, DOOMED!

      1. GJT Avatar
        GJT

        Just can’t herd cats and canadians, can you.

  72. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    Good evening, Infidels. Been super busy but thought I’d say hello. Hope y’all are behaving.

    1. texanadian Avatar
      texanadian

      Awright, our own “Southern Demostic Terriorist” has made it back and found all of us losers good friends. Yes, life is good,….and Happy Birfday! 😀

    2. texanadian Avatar
      texanadian

      Hope y’all are behaving.

      PSSST,….some of us showed up @ “Noggin’ Noodle’s” blog,…..BUTT I’m not tellin’ 😉 Hey I took a shower.

      1. Katfish Avatar
        Katfish

        You need to be steam cleaned after that.

    3. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      Hi ST, glad you made it, it has been getting better here throughout these last 2 days. Have you been listening to Dr Savage?

  73. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Good evening, Infidels. Been super busy but thought I’d say hello. Hope y’all are behaving.

    1. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      Awright, our own “Southern Demostic Terriorist” has made it back and found all of us losers good friends. Yes, life is good,….and Happy Birfday! 😀

    2. Super Dave Avatar
      Super Dave

      Hope y’all are behaving.

      PSSST,….some of us showed up @ “Noggin’ Noodle’s” blog,…..BUTT I’m not tellin’ 😉 Hey I took a shower.

      1. wagonburner Avatar
        wagonburner

        You need to be steam cleaned after that.

    3. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      Hi ST, glad you made it, it has been getting better here throughout these last 2 days. Have you been listening to Dr Savage?

  74. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK, I just sent a little more $$$ to Sharon Angle and you might want to do the same.

    1. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      I donated today to Jim De Mint’s Senate Conservatives Fund. I hope they discover and reveal the names of the Senate Republicans who decided in secrecy to keep Lisa Murkowski in the inner circle after her defeat in the Alaska primary.

  75. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK, I just sent a little more $$$ to Sharon Angle and you might want to do the same.

    1. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      I donated today to Jim De Mint’s Senate Conservatives Fund. I hope they discover and reveal the names of the Senate Republicans who decided in secrecy to keep Lisa Murkowski in the inner circle after her defeat in the Alaska primary.

  76. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    OK THIS is just dayaamed amasing! How to disassemble and reassemble a Jeep in under 4 minutes.
    I know a Jeep is a simple machine, (I own an old 1973 CJ-5) but the only thing faster to disassemble is a volkswagon! Two guys can drop the engine in a couple on minutes and carry it off….. Been there done that.

    1. texanadian Avatar
      texanadian

      Neat video. Question? Are they running that unit with no fluids. I can’t change a tire without leaking something on the ground. Just curious.

  77. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    OK THIS is just dayaamed amasing! How to disassemble and reassemble a Jeep in under 4 minutes.
    I know a Jeep is a simple machine, (I own an old 1973 CJ-5) but the only thing faster to disassemble is a volkswagon! Two guys can drop the engine in a couple on minutes and carry it off….. Been there done that.

    1. texanadian Avatar
      texanadian

      Neat video. Question? Are they running that unit with no fluids. I can’t change a tire without leaking something on the ground. Just curious.

  78. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    I have updated the blocklist on my Frivolous Lawsuits page to include groups listed in Texpat’s #31. Although I don’t expect it to happen I have also added the urls to my WordPress settings here so that if anyone accidentally tries to link to one of the sites the comment will be shoved into the moderation box.

  79. Hamous Avatar
    Hamous

    Well, that’s not going to work. It moderates words inside the urls like “town”. Back to the drawing board.

    1. CbR Avatar
      CbR

      Ahhhhh, the trials & tribulations of a blogmaster.

      1. GJT Avatar
        GJT

        Hope Hammy didn’t have any plans for his spare time, we just kinda slid ourselves on his couch.

        /gonna need a bigger couch……and chips. Got any beer in here?

      2. mharper42 Avatar
        mharper42

        I see Tim did a “Good Job” of getting here. Good line about the couch, too 8)

      3. GJT Avatar
        GJT

        Hey ya mharper, glad you made it.

    2. Tedtam Avatar
      Tedtam

      At the least, maybe you could keep a list of the offending sites at the side of the page for easy reference. And spitting. Spitting would be good.

      /cleaning computer

  80. CbR Avatar
    CbR

    Ahhhhh, the trials & tribulations of a blogmaster.

    1. Southern Tragedy Avatar
      Southern Tragedy

      Hope Hammy didn’t have any plans for his spare time, we just kinda slid ourselves on his couch.

      /gonna need a bigger couch……and chips. Got any beer in here?

    2. mharper42 Avatar
      mharper42

      I see Tim did a “Good Job” of getting here. Good line about the couch, too 8)

    3. Southern Tragedy Avatar
      Southern Tragedy

      Hey ya mharper, glad you made it.

  81. texanadian Avatar
    texanadian

    LIAR! YES Politician, of course. 🙁

  82. Super Dave Avatar
    Super Dave

    LIAR! YES Politician, of course. 🙁

  83. Robert M Avatar
    Robert M

    O.K…. read your posts about Texpat’s 31 post. Dang. I’ve only gone a few days. I’m still scratching my head about that. Wow!

    “I read the Constitution for the Articles”

    I love it!!!

  84. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    O.K…. read your posts about Texpat’s 31 post. Dang. I’ve only gone a few days. I’m still scratching my head about that. Wow!

    “I read the Constitution for the Articles”

    I love it!!!

  85. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Just can’t herd cats and canadians, can you.

  86. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    FB thing is still giving me creeps, like The Blob or something.

    1. CbR Avatar
      CbR

      DJ help ya along with that comment of his?

      1. Southern Tragedy Avatar
        Southern Tragedy

        Took me 30 minutes to find it, but yeah, he’s right!

  87. GJT Avatar
    GJT

    FB thing is still giving me creeps, like The Blob or something.

    1. CbR Avatar
      CbR

      DJ help ya along with that comment of his?

      1. GJT Avatar
        GJT

        Took me 30 minutes to find it, but yeah, he’s right!

  88. Tedtam Avatar
    Tedtam

    Drudge is linking to a very exciting story! Star Wars is going 3-D! Can you imagine the chase scenes in 3-D? Hand out the airsick bags!

    But the bar scene may be problematic. Again with airsick bags!

    1. wagonburner Avatar
      wagonburner

      Yabbut, what about hot alien babes. In 3-D?!?!?!?!

  89. Katfish Avatar
    Katfish

    Yabbut, what about hot alien babes. In 3-D?!?!?!?!

  90. Adee Avatar
    Adee

    Good night all. About to turn in after a pleasant day weatherwise and in the comforting surroundings of Hambone’s home filled with our merry madcap band transplanted out of misery. Thank you Hamous for sheltering the gang. We promise not to track in dirt or bring clutter and to dust and mop as often as necessary. Cheers 🙂

    1. GJT Avatar
      GJT

      Hammy, you’re about out of beer…..

  91. Southern Tragedy Avatar
    Southern Tragedy

    Hammy, you’re about out of beer…..

  92. The Dude Avatar
    The Dude

    #46 Hamous,

    Appreciate the updated blacklist. While not a perfect solution, it’s better than doing nothing.

  93. OletimerLin Avatar
    OletimerLin

    This is an html test.

    REPEAT: This is only a test.

    Had this been an actual html emergency you would be instructed to…

  94. bob42 Avatar
    bob42

    This is an html test.

    REPEAT: This is only a test.

    Had this been an actual html emergency you would be instructed to…

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